The Why Files: Operation Podcast - 633: Knights Templar, the Green Jar and the Scroll That Changes Everything | Basement #006: Scott Wolter

Episode Date: March 9, 2026

Scott Wolter, a forensic geologist, has spent 25 years following a trail of physical evidence — rocks, runes, bones, and buried artifacts — that leads somewhere most historians refuse to go.It starts with a stone pulled from a Minnesota farm field in 1898 and ends with a sealed jar dug up from the Adirondack wilderness last August.What's inside connects the Knights Templar, the Founding Fathers, the Talpiot Tomb in Jerusalem, and a scroll that may be the most significant document ever recovered.Scott doesn't speculate. He brings receipts. And after 25 years of following this trail, he's ready to share what he found — and what it means for everything we think we know.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt4pT6PpCoQ

Okay, I'm excited about this one. We're going deep with Scott Walter, forensic geologist, TV host, and one of the most controversial researchers in America. Scott made his name by solving murders with rocks, using geological evidence to date concrete and crack cold cases. But then he applied those same scientific methods to the Kensington rune stone,

and everything changed. His research led him down a path that started with medieval runes, moved through nights' temperately treasures hidden in North America, and ended up somewhere nobody expected in a little green jar. Scott's newest book just dropped, the greatest Templar tale never told. And the story he tells me today about the green jar? It's going to challenge everything you think you know about history, religion,

and who we really are. This conversation gets heavy, and I mean really heavy. Some people are going to be offended, but that's not Scott's intention. I think we should hear him out. Let's go down to the basement. Scott, welcome to the basement. Before we get to the fun stuff, can you tell us how your TV, because we all know you from TV, how your TV journey started right here in Las Vegas with a murder case?

Yeah, yeah. You've done your homework, good for you. Well, yeah, you know, and, you know, I do material forensics for a living. I've run a materials forensic laboratory. I've been doing the work since 1985, but I started my own lab in 1990. and in 2004 I was and essentially what we do is for the most part autopsies on concrete and rock and we try to solve problems you know mostly in the concrete industry why did it crack why did it have low strength you know what happens if it's exposed to fire damage or what happens if a plane hits it if a plane hits it like at 9-11 that is true we did that as well but one time I received a call from a guy that by the name of Lieutenant Tom Monaghan. And he called from the Las Vegas Homicide Department.

And he said, I said, why are you calling me? He said, well, we have a murder victim that was found buried in a shallow grave in the desert outside of Las Vegas, which I found out is not a rare thing. Nope. But what was unusual about this case was this person was totally encased in concrete. And of course, the first question I asked is, how was this person found? How did that happen? And he said that a man was out jogging with his dog, and he stepped on what turned out to be

the thinnest part of the concrete, which was between the pubic region and the belly button of this deceased female. And it collapsed. And the dog immediately went into the hole, and this guy starts reaching in the hole and was pulling out bones. Oh, my God. And apparently... So this wasn't in a drum or something?

No, it was the ground. I mean, he didn't know what it was, right? And it collapsed under the weight of his foot. And if he had stepped anywhere else, it wouldn't have collapsed. It was that spot. So maybe it was meant to be. But anyway, so once he started pulling out

what he thought were human bones, he called 911. Anyway, so I said, well, that's crazy. I said, but what do you want for me? And he said, well, we really don't have anywhere else to go, but we had heard about your work on the run stone and relative age dating. Can you do the same thing with concrete? And I said, well, we've never done anything like that before.

And the reason they wanted that to try to establish the age of the concrete was to establish a time of death. Sure. Then they could go back and look at the missing case files. And the reason was they've got a huge case. And to nail it down would have been helpful. So the timing was what they were looking for. And I said, look, I've never done anything like this before.

But I have a couple of ideas. And so if you're willing to try, I'm willing to try. And he said, we have nowhere else to go. So he said, and I said, when do you want me to come out? He said, as soon as possible. So I got a flight the next day. And I flew out here. And I remember Detective Rob Wilson picked me up at the airport.

And it was a beautiful sunny day. It always is in Vegas, right? And he drove me to the coroner's lab, which was cold and, you know, kind of dark. And I remember when I walked in the building the first time, there were five gurneys lined up with dead bodies on him naked and various trauma. And I remember walking by looking at them and I thought to myself, we're not in Minnesota anymore. I'm a rock guy.

What am I doing here? What am I doing here? Anyway, so then they pulled out another one of these gurneys with a big, large, oversized yellow body bag, and they unzipped it. And there was the concrete. And it was in two pieces. There was, what the perpetrator had done is dug a shallow trench, kind of a long trench, almost canoe-shaped. And laid down a layer of concrete, and I was able to determine that it was in three lifts. It sounds like a nice Italian job.

Do it the right way. Do it the right way. And finish the surface. No, it wasn't finished. But anyway, they laid a layer of concrete down. They put the victim in. And then the next load, if you will, of concrete was placed over the front part of the body. And then the last part was, no, the first part, the second part was over the legs.

The last part was over the head and body because that was. the lowest water content was real thick and rubbly. It didn't flow as much. And that's because he was probably running out of water is what we thought. Wow, did you give them some leads on that? Yeah. Oh, yeah. We talked about all this.

I mean, and it was strange because as I was doing my examination, the corner was right there. And I'm asking him questions, and he's asking me questions. It was in Monaghan and Wilson are looking at us, you know. And I kind of got into the zone a little bit, you know. And it was weird because everything is in reverse, you know. I mean, like a breast is positive, but in the mold it was negative. Everything's like a relief now.

Yeah. So it's the opposite. Everything's opposite. So it was a little confusing, but eventually I got, you know, sort of accustomed to what I was looking at. And I could see where the trauma had been. and it was pretty tough, you know. So anyway, and then in like a paper grocery bag were her bones because they had the bones, right?

And they were all in a bag. It was, they didn't know who this person was. It just seemed really, you know, weird. It's sad. It was sad. Yeah, it was really sad. They never could ID her? Well, so I said, well, here's what I propose.

We'll take a sample here. We'll take a sample there. And I'll go back to the lab. And so there were two things that I was thinking about. One is when you place concrete, it sets up and it gets hard, right? And what it is is a heat generating chemical reaction. It's a lot like popcorn. And so the cement grains will react and form glues that make the concrete get hard.

And when it first sets up and the heat starts, it's poppity-pott-di-pott-dra-d-d-you- know, it's setting up and it's getting hard fast. But over time, what happens is just like microwave. wave popcorn. It's poppity pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop. Over years. Over years. And decades. Yes. So it continues to cure or whatever that is? Well, yes, it does. But it's so slow. It's imperceptible unless you're looking at it under a microscope and under polarized light. And you can see the percentage of unhydrated particles. So it's very important when I do an analysis. and I'm trying to determine what the water cement ratio was of that concrete, I'm looking at the unhydrated particles that are left.

That's why I have to know when that concrete was placed to put it in context. Does that make sense? It does. That's a clock. The other thing that happens is we have a chemical reaction called carbonation, where carbon dioxide will react with lime and calcium hydroxide in the concrete to form calcium carbonate. And what's kind of ironic about that is when we make Portland cement, you take limestone and silica and gypsum and some other stuff, but mostly limestone. And you fire it

and you drive off the carbon dioxide and you end up with lime. And then you add water to it and it gets hard. But when it carbonates, it takes back the carbon dioxide and forms limestone, calcium carbonate. Okay? That reaction is called carbonation. And it's progressed. It's progressive over time and it's dependent upon the water cement ratio or the density of the of the concrete the amount of CO2 gas or methane that it's exposed to and time so the depth of carbonation was the other clock that I was thinking I might be able to use never done anything like this before so went back did the testing and I wrote a report and I said I think she's been there between one and three years. And I remember I sent my report, I emailed it to Tom,

and I thought, well, I'll never hear anything. And about four months later, I got a call, and it was Tom. And he said, Scott, he said, are you on your computer? I said, yes. He said, go to missingkids.com. And within a minute, I was looking at her face. Oh, my God. I said, and I'm getting emotional just thinking about it again, because my daughter was pretty close to her age. She was 17. And I said, how'd you do it? He said, well, he said, do you remember when we showed you the molds that we made of the different parts of the body? And I said, yes, I do. And he said, do you remember the mold of the face? And I said, yes, I do. He said, we had an artist do a reconstruction of her face. We got one call, a woman who lived in

Vegas who said, I think I know who you're Jane Doe is. She gave her the name. They pulled the dental records. They had the upper and lower jaw, and it was a match. Wow. Now, I need to back up. Before he called me back, after he got my report about two, three weeks after that, he called me and said, hey Scott, Detective Rob Wilson and I are coming to Minneapolis, we would like, I'd like to come see your lab. And I'd already gotten to know him pretty well. And he was from the East and played in the men's hockey league. And so did I at the time. And I said, hey man, you want to go to a wild game? And he said, yeah, I do. So we, we, I got tickets. He came and toured the lab. And then we went to Alarie's Bar in St. Paul before the hockey game. And we're having a couple of beers. And

he was one of those guys that had just this intense look. He had a black mustache and he just looked right through you. And we're sitting there having a beer and I asked him why he was in town. And he said, well, we thought we'd come and see her lab. But the real reason we're here is we were going to take dental impressions of a guy who's dying of cancer who we believe committed a murder. And I said, dental impressions? Are you talking about bite marks on a victim? And he's He said yes. So he went in there to this guy who was dying of cancer and he said, you're going to give us these dental impressions or we're going to put you in jail and

you're going to die in a cold cell. If you give us the impressions, we'll let you die at home. And they got him. And that's a whole other story. That's a great story. But anyway, so we talked about that when we're sitting in the bar. And then he looks at me with that look. And he goes, so what do you really think?

and I knew what he was asking me. I had written one to three years of my report. And I looked at him and I said, well, Rob or Tom, I said, I think she's been there between one and a half and two years, but I put one to three years because I thought that's what I could testify to and back up. Right. But I'm telling you. And he said, looked at me, he goes, me too.

Finished our beers, went to the game, the wild one. He took off. and that's one I thought I would never hear from again. Then I got the call. And then he said, we got the one call and we pulled the dental records and it was a match. And he said, I thought you'd want to know. She was reported missing a year and 10 months from when we found her. Wow. Nailed it.

And I remember thinking to myself, well, I'll be damned. This shit actually works. So that was. So, okay, that's a long story, but I haven't told that one for a long time. It was kind of fun. That's a good story. But how do you end up on TV from a murder case? Okay, well, I'll get to that.

But I just want to say one more thing about that. I'm waiting for one more call. The perpetrator? Because the last thing he said to me was, if we go to trial someday, will you testify? Like, you're not afraid about some guy. I said, fuck him. I said, hell yes. So I'm waiting for one more call.

Okay. I hope you get that call. Hasn't happened yet. It's been a long time. And I know some more things that I can't talk about about the case. Well, don't do that. Don't do that. That's a, that's Mick Jagger.

Oh, don't do that. Okay. So you solve a murder and you end up on the number one show on the network. So what happened was a woman by the name of Maria Oz, who her husband is Andeos. They were in the process at the time of founding a production company called Committee Films that ended up doing America on Earth. She was working for a local television station, WCCO TV, as an investigative reporter.

She caught wind of the case and of the work that we did, and she wanted to interview me. So she comes into the lab, into my office, she sits down. I had just gotten back from my third. or fourth trip to Sweden investigating, you know, the ruins and everything on the Kensington of Roonstone. And I had been given a poster for a conference that we had attended and we had a debate at this conference. And I had it hang. I had just put it up on my wall. The stone? Like the image of the... Well, it's Olo Fulman, that iconic picture of him standing there with the stone, right? And it was, that's the poster and it was in Swedish, right? And so she comes walking in. She

goes, oh, have you done some work on the Kensington and Roomsome? I said, sit down, girl. And I told her that story and I told her about, you know, the murder case. And that weekend, WCCO aired both stories. The murder case on Friday and then Saturday, they used to do this thing called a dimension story, which was like a five-minute long, extended piece. And they did the Roonstone on Saturday. Well, she went home and told her husband. husband and Andy's like oh my god this is a great story maybe we could do something so he calls me and I said dude I'm giving a lecture at the Chan asan library this Saturday I said come on and hear the story I'm talking about the roomstone and and so he came to the library I gave the lecture he says

can I buy you lunch I said sure let's go eat and we went over there he goes this would make a great documentary I said fuck let's go and so he said well we got to raise 150,000 I'm like, oh, I know, how are we going to do that? So I begged and borrowed from friends and, and I told them. I said, hey, we want to do this film. A lot of people knew about the runstone and the work we were doing and, you know, where we were going with it. And they wanted to support it.

And I said, look, don't, don't put your rent money here. I said, we'll probably lose it all. But if, you know, I really feel strongly about this. And if you want to contribute. And we raised the money. But you know who wrote the biggest check? Janet and I. Okay.

I wasn't going to let anybody put in more money than us. So you were producers on your show? Yeah. Yeah. And how did you end up selling it to history? Well, here's what happened. So Andy and I, he says, well, okay, well, where do we go? Well, we got to go to Sweden.

We got to go to Scotland. We got to go to France. We got to go to all these places because it's going down the Templar Road, right? And this is early on in the Templar Road. and so we the four of us went it was Andy um ben Kruger uh who was our ACAM i can't oh i'm drawing a blank now but anyway the four of us went there and Andy and me and when i wasn't in front of the camera i was hauling shit and you know hold the boom we were interviewing that's where i met allan bollar oh okay yeah at rivo abbey one of the most gorgeous abbees in all of england it's

just amazing and he could not have been a nicer guy I was was like intimidated to meet him because I had read all of his books the goddess the grail in the lodge virgin in the pinnacle and I mean all he had and the way he writes you start reading and all of a sudden it's done it's like shit I want more you know yeah and I was so when I met him I was I was a little intimidated and he was just we were pals like that he's just so wonderful and as you know he and Janet. We became really good friends and stayed in touch, of course, and then he and Janet wrote their book together, and we're planning to go see him this summer. And he's been struggling a little with his health. He'll admit it. He was a chain smoker, you know, back in the day. He was one of those

fucking guys smoking cigarettes all that. That's what he said. I was fucking this, fuck on that. But he's wonderful. So anyway, we filmed, and that became Holy Grail in America. And we, we were, we What they did was Andy and Maria went to reel screen, which happens, I think in January is the big gathering. And that's where all the production companies pitch their shows and networks by their shows. And so what they will do is they'll have screenings of certain shows that are, and they had a screening of ours. And I remember there was a five-minute pitch reel that we, they rented a studio with the marquee, you know, and everybody that was involved, it was a really fun party. And, you know, it was, Jan and I are like, oh, this is crazy, you know.

And to see Holy, and on a marquee was really cool. Yeah, of course. It was great. And so anyway, they aired the trailer at Real Screen and six networks wanted it. Wow. And history paid the most. Okay. That's all they got it.

So that aired, and it did really well, really well. Why do you think that is? That was a hit show. Well, I think there was... Why did it resonate with people? It resonated with me and my family. Really? Yeah.

Well, you know, the thing about it was... And I don't want to toot my own horn, but I... We did some really good research. And like I said, you know, I just said it when we did the short. I trust rocks. I don't trust some people. I really don't. And rocks don't care.

They don't give a shit. They just are. And the rock told me it was old. The stone, the ruin stone. I'm talking about the run stone. Okay. And I knew it was real. And therefore, if it's real,

and that date is correct, which I know is correct, because it's double dated using a code, somebody carved it. Can you give us a quick three second? The code? No, three sentence of what the stone is. Oh, okay.

For the one person doesn't know. Oh, okay. God, I figure the whole world knows what's going on here. I assume all the time. Well, the Kensington New Roonstone is an artifact that was found by a Swedish immigrant farmer by the name of Olaf Oman, who was clearing trees in preparation for farming on his 100-acre parcel property, about two hours northwest of Minneapolis, Minnesota, near Alexandria, Minnesota, in a town just outside of a town called Kensington. And this was in the fall of 1898.

he was clearing trees in preparation for farming, and he tipped over this 25 to 30-year-old aspen tree with his two oldest sons that were present at the time. And this rock was pulled out of the ground in the roots of the tree. And it was the younger son Edward who first noticed that there was something carved on it. And eventually the inscription was realized to be and carved an old Swedish.

But we now know, looking back, that this is an amazingly, complex inscription that was carved by a deeply initiated Sistercian monk. I think we might even know who his name is. Okay. But in any case, it's filled with symbolism, allegory, and code. And I think I figured out what the codes are, because when I became initiated as a Templar, going through the cryptic counsel degrees, I suddenly realized. And that's a great story, too. that the story that is encoded within it is part of the Book of Enoch. It's part of the Inokian mysteries.

I have never heard that. Well, no, you've never heard that because it's being suppressed. Right. I mean, you know, Janet and I had a conversation this morning. I'm just going to tail off for a second. And all this craziness that's happening with these cults and, you know, the trafficking and the whole world is coming down, right? they've been suppressing this too.

Yeah, Book of Enoch, not considered part of the Bible, but as it's been discovered, that it probably was. Book of Inok, It probably was part of the Bible at some point. It was. It definitely was.

And it's in this stuff. Before we get to that, how did you come to study the stone? Oh, okay. So the Rooston. Yeah. So, um, so, um, so, so,

for a hundred and whatever years until july of 2000 it was considered a hoax because the scholars that looked at the inscription were simply unable to figure out what it was because of what we just talked about it's way more complex and um and their arguments are the language is anachronistic that sort of thing and it's that's all bullshit okay the language the ruins that when i went to sweden five times that's what i found i found everything but anyway um so So the Roonstone's been considered a hoax in July of 2000. I was approached by representative for the Roonstone Museum who said we would like to ask you to perform. And they had met with my professors.

They went to the University of Minnesota Duluth where I went to college on a football scholarship. And I met a wonderful professor who inspired me to go into geology. I was very fortunate to meet Charlie Match. Anyway, they went up and saw my professors and they said, go see Scott Walter. That's how I got the job. Anyway, so they came in and this guy starts talking me about the Kensington and I said, what's that? I never heard of it.

Right. And after, you know, later on, I talked to other people and everybody around me knew what it was and I'm like, I must have missed school that day or something. I didn't know what they were talking about. So anyway, I remember the guy and the guy clearly was an advocate for authenticity and I gave him the speech and I said, look, I'll be happy to do this work for you. But you need to understand when I get done, I may give you news. you're not going to like.

And you're still going to pay me. Right. Okay. That's the beautiful thing about my job. I get paid either way. It doesn't matter what the results are, right? So that's, but those are the ground rules. And he said, okay, so off we went.

So he didn't hire you to study language. He hired you to study the stone. Stone. How do you date it? Well, what do you want you to do? Great question. And look, I just made it up.

I completely made up what I thought was a, a way that I could do that. And when I did the short, somebody asked a really good question that led to exactly what you just asked me. And so first and foremost, it starts with the geology. For example, if you have a piece of quartz or court site, I can't do anything with that because it doesn't weather. Right? Right. Second thing, I need to know the context.

Where has this artifact been? For example, in the case of the runestone, it's been buried in the ground since it was put in the ground, presumably in 1362 as a land claim. And it was recovered in 1898. So we're talking about 600 or so years of weathering, right? Is that stone indigenous to the area or did they bring that stone in? Another great question. Yes. We have sourced that rock. Okay. It's part of the Thompson formation. If you go up just south of Duluth, there is a formation called the Thompson farm. I mapped those rocks when I was in college. So I knew the rock right away once I got a thin section. And so the thing you have to do is identify the rock type and as we said you know quartzite you can't do anything

but this rock type is something called a and there will be a quiz so pay attention okay go for it paleo protozoic meta gray wacky okay i can't do it thompson formation okay i knew right away and it has about well the rune stone has 17 different minerals in it and uh in fact what was really fun is i was able to pull one of my professors out of retirement, Dr. Richard O. Jankas, to come help me and do his own. I said, hey, Dick, will you do a point count? I'll do mine. We'll compare notes, right? And he's one of the premier sedimentologists in the world, I would argue, the best sedimentologist. And he just died earlier, or no, late last year, a couple months ago. I just got that. It was very sad. He was wonderful. 93. Anyway, so Dick did it. And later on, you know what he said to me?

What? He said, you know, Scott, when I agreed to work with you on the Roonstone, people warned me that I shouldn't help you. And I said, why? And he said, because they said it'll ruin your reputation working on that fake, the Roonstone. Wow. And he said, I'll help Scott anyway. But at that point, what do you care whether it's fake or not? You just want to know what the Rock tells you.

You tell me. I mean, look, it'll ruin your reputation. What are you talking about? I mean, we're asked to do a job and we're doing hard, you know, geological work. So, I mean, but this is what you get, right? This is the nature of this business. Remember, I didn't know anything. So anyway, I did my work and what I did was I ended up comparing the weathering of tombstones

with the weathering of the inscription. Took a core sample out of the back that, and we made thin sections, put them under a scanning electron microscope and a polarized light microscope, identified the mineralogy. did point counts. What percentage of that mineral do we have? And there were 17 different minerals. So anyway, and I remember I compared my work with Dick and we got pretty much the same thing. So I thanked him because he taught me how to do it. But anyway, so I identified one of the faster weathering minerals, which was mica biotite in this case, because that has an iron phase, so it weather's the fastest.

And I used slayed tombstones from out in Maine that were old enough, dating back to the Revolutionary War. So they got the dates right there, right? Right. So what I did was I just measured how long it took before the minerals started to come off the surface of the tombstones. That happened at about 200 years. On the runestone, they're gone.

They're all gone. So my conclusion is the weathering is over. older than 200 years. And that's from 1898 because it hasn't been in a weathering environment since. It's been indoors in the shed or in a museum. So you push it back 200 years from 1890. It was nobody in Minnesota then except the indigenous people. And maybe a, you know, a monk that was traveling like Hennepin or somebody.

Right. So I said it's genuine. And I wrote my report and I sent it off and I said, well, that was fun. Good for them. They got one. And I was done. Oh, no. No, no. Then the pushback came. Oh, my God. It was nasty and personal. And, you know, I mean, I had academics that I had met. Well, I would eventually meet. Now you understand why you were warned. Well, yeah, yeah, that this, that, you know, this is. And, and I, look, and so most of the people, and, and I don't want to disparage. these disciplines.

But I do want to make a point. It's very important. I'll use the word soft science. I'm talking about... They're not going to like this. History. Okay. Language.

Archaeology. Roons. Runology. These are humanity's disciplines. Right. Wonderful disciplines. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with them. But they're up for interpretation.

They're up for interpretation. These people were attacking me, telling me I did not understand scientific method. Excuse me. I run a freaking laboratory. I do forensic investigations all day every day for 41 years now. Right. You're not a TV guy. No, I'm not.

You know why I even did the goddamn TV? Why? Because this is important. Really? Yes. Okay. I make a good living running my lab. Okay. Okay. And I love it. And I, you know, I get to work on murder cases. I worked on the Pentagon. That's what people are going to talk about at my funeral. It's not the runstone and all this stuff. They're going to talk about that. And I've done some, you know, pretty cool things. But when this came and I got this pushback and people attacking me, Personally, I got pissed. And I told you, I went to college on a football scholarship. I was a linebacker.

And I won a couple championships. I don't shit around. Right. You want to go? We'll go. I couldn't frame them up and put them on the ground. I had to do it differently. Now, they're behind their keyboards.

Exactly. Yeah, well, the tough guys, you know. But, you know, obviously. I know who you mean. I'm joking, but I'm not joking. I know who you mean. And anyway. They're a fan of mine.

Yep, yep. We know who we're talking about. But anyway, it wasn't, I mean, it was academics. And so they were attacking my process. So anyway, long story short, I just said, I'm sick of this shit. I trust the rock. Rock said so. Therefore, somebody carved it.

They came from some place. They came here for some reason. There has to be an explanation for that, right? Yep. Has to be. And all the stuff they said didn't exist. has to exist. So the only place, the language is old Swedish, right?

Eight Goths got to Landers. I went to Gotland, the island of Gottland, which is in the middle of the Baltic Sea, which was part of Sweden back then and part of Sweden today. It's where everybody in the countries that surround that region go for their summer vacations. It's beautiful. And where I found the evidence, the language, the runes,

the dialect, the grammar, the dating, was on grave slabs that had been mortared into the floors inside 92 churches on that island. And while it was there, I kept seeing these crazy crosses, equilateral red crosses carved on the walls, mortared into the floors, carved on these grave slabs. And I'm like, what the hell is that? So it's important.

I didn't know anything at that time. Well, these things were all Cistercian. And for those who don't know, Cistercians are the white monks, The white monks. Founded in 1095, but Robert Molesme, taken to meteoric success. Once St. Bernard de Clairvaux joined the order in 1113, by the time he died in 1153, there were 300 Cistercian abbeys all across Europe into Scandinavia, the British Isles, and to the Holy Land. And by the time the Templars were put down a little over 200 years later, in 1307, there were 750 abbeys.

and about 12,000 Templar Knights who are also Cistercia. Right. So, and it was Bernard de Clairbeau who wrote the charter for the Knights Templar that was officially assigned by the Pope at the Council of Tuat on January 13. That number is not a coincidence. 1129 at the Council of Tuor and Tuor France. So I learned all that. And when I want to learn something, I'll do it.

get your teeth in. I just put my pads on and I go. So what was that mark? That mark was a Templar cross. It was the Templar cross that you found. And I found everything. And so then I started going down the Templar Road or the Cistercian Templar Road and then, oh, they disappeared in 1307. This is 1362. This is just a few decades later. Well, I'm not the brightest guy in the world, but I can figure that one out. So maybe there's a connection. You weren't interested in like Templar lore before. No. I didn't know what a Templar was. Okay. I had no idea. Look, I spent my adult life starting my lab, raising kids, playing touch football, skating, playing basketball, softball. I was a jock. Right. And drinking beer. Okay. And just studying Dan Brown novels looking for connect. No. No. No. I, I, in fact,

and collecting agates. I'm a big Lake Superior Agate collector. And that's where I wrote, wrote my first book. I meant to ask you like, what's so fascinating about Agates? What is that? We'll get back to the... We'll get back to that, but I'll tell you a funny story. Right before we came here, we went into a shop at the hotel where we're staying. And they had some rocks, you know, Amethyst cathedrals and all this stuff. And of course, I had to go in there. And it turns out this woman was originally from Israel. And she's an older woman, very, you know, elegant and, And nobody was in there, just the two of us, Janet and I, and we started talking about rocks. And then we started talking about agates.

And I pulled out my phone and I showed her, she said, oh, my God, that's the most beautiful thing. You find those in Minnesota? I said, yeah, we go in gravel pits, we're going rivers and lakes. I said, it's our state gemstone. And she was just, and then we got into the golden ratio and all this. And she ended up hugging both of us when we left. It was amazing. So, yeah, so, and I wrote, and just to segue up for a second.

second. I want to tell you a quick personal story. My dad was a pilot for Northwest Airlines. And when I graduated from college in geology, I was no longer a dependent. I used to get passes and I could fly all over the place. And I did. I took full advantage. I went down, you know, spring break every year. You know, I would go out. I need a ticket. But I remember dad said to me, he said, you know, you're graduating. He said, your passes are running out. He said, you got one more trip make it a good one so I was also scuba diver and I said dad I want to go dive on the great barrier reef and I want to go with you I could have gone with my brother I could have got my best friend his dad was a pilot I want to go my my dad was cool he sounds cool

he was awesome did he take that trip with you he did okay and he drowned on that trip I'm sorry I didn't know that I didn't know the story well it was the worst thing that I ever had will happen to me. Of course. I was with them, and I'm not going to tell you the story right now, because I can tell the story. I don't cry anymore. Well, I still do. It was, it was, it was, it was bad. And I found out later that it wasn't an accident. What? You ever seen the movie American Made? Comps? Yeah. Barry Seal. Are you saying your dad was involved with the agency? Yep. After we got- You don't talk about this very often, I don't think.

I don't. Okay. Dad was... So he was taken out. He was flying jets down to Central America. And he knew too much. So after we came back, about three weeks after we got back, I got a call from the chief pilot at Northwest, Don Naira.

And his son played for the North Stars. He was a hockey player. And he said, Scott, I'd like to talk to you. I said, okay. So I go in and he said, said, if you tell anybody what I told you, I'll deny it. I said, I get it. And he said, your dad was in the CIA. I said, oh, okay. And he told me what he was doing. And he didn't say that he was taken out, but I figured it out on my own. And there's other details I can tell you,

maybe when we're alone, we can talk. Okay. But anyway, I was wrecked. and it blew our family apart. I have a brother and a sister and my mom. My brother and my mom died. Be two years ago, same year, within a couple months of each year. Once my mom died, I knew my brother wasn't far behind. That's another story. But anyway.

Did they know your dad was working for a... My mom did I? She finally came around late in life, and she finally, a month and a half before she died, I took her out to dinner and went back to her apartment and we were sitting in the car and I was just about to open the door and help her out, you know. She turned, she looked at me, she said, I forgive you. What's to forgive? No, for what happened, you know, to dad.

She never married again. She blamed me for it. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, it was tough. But I'm telling you this for a reason. Okay. So I was in a really tough place. And I had just gotten a job from Charlie, my professor, got me a job with Mapgo Minerals as a field geologist.

And I loved it. And I was on a two-month gig in northern Minnesota, going in the woods and mapping and taking samples, send them in for testing. and then it turned out that was a test to see if I could handle it. And obviously I did and I got the full-time job. They said, your next project is starting in January in Nevada. So I was all set to go do that. And then I took the trip and dad died and I had to stay home.

So that was a huge correction. But I got hired by Twin City testing. I learned petrography and then I went and here I am now. but that that was a really defining moment. And what happened during that time right after dad died is I was struggling with a lot of grief. And so when I got upset, I just jump up my motorcycle and I would drive to the gravel pits and I would just walk. Yeah. Pick agates.

And I met other collectors and I got to know the industry really fast. And I met a World War II hero, George Flame. and we ended up becoming close friends, and he became another mentor to me. And he eventually, and he was the king of agate. Well, he flagged me early on. He said, that kid's, you know. And I remember one day I was up there

and we're talking about agates and formations, and I said, well, George, what do you think about this? And he goes, kid, you got the geological knowledge. You got the agate picking experience. Write the book. And I went, George, I'll do it. And he lived in Duluth, which is two and a half hours from where I lived in the cities, right? Yeah.

So on the way home, I wrote the outline on the steering wheel. This is your first book. My first book on Lake Superior Agates. And it did really well, and I'll tell you why it did well. It wasn't the formation. It wasn't the types. It wasn't, you know, all the microscopic features and all the stuff that you have to talk about. I peppered in between each chapter stories about George and Chauncey Wheeler and praying to the Lord of the Pits.

All these crazy stories, the stuff that I thought was so cool. And I got hundreds of letters. And nobody asked me about formation. Nobody asked me about the different types. No. Tell me about Chauncey Wheeler, who every time he got found an egg, it would stop, sit down, pray to the Lord of the Pits. And, you know, that kind of stuff. Well, that's full circle to America on Earth, because that's why you stood out,

is you told the story in the episode. And we weren't really, we didn't really care about the. I didn't really care about the stone. It's cool to have evidence that it's real, but you want to know the story. Yeah, yeah. Well, and that's what I do. And so I've written a couple more books on Agates since then, and I wrote one called, when I turned 40, and I called it like the half time of my life, right?

I use football metaphors, of course. and it's called the Lakes Pei right one man's journey and it was and i talk about dad and the whole journey but when i published that book in 1986 which was three years after dad died i was back you were back i was back emotionally and i was myself again and uh i thank george for that and i thank my professors for that and i thank janet for that and my my kids um they came after that but um Yeah, that's what got me into writing. Well, let's take a quick break. And when we come back, we can get into the stone and Templars and the journey.

Okay. All right. Bear it back. What does it say on the Kensington Roonstone? We've talked to all about it. We haven't said what it says. Well, what's interesting is it starts with a number, something called a pentatic number. And you know what, AJ?

I could teach you pentatic numbers in 10 seconds. Okay. You ready? Yeah. Make a vertical line. Vertical line. One, two, three, four. Half loop is five, six, seven, eight, nine, full loop is ten.

Put them in Arabic placement. You can make any number you want. So the number eight is the first thing on the run stone. Half loop is five, six, seven, eight. Eight Gatelanders and 22 Northmen, Norwegians. on this acquisition business slash taking up land from Vinland far to the west. We had a camp near two shelters one day's journey north from this stone. We were fishing one day after we came home, found ten men read from blood and death.

And then three Latin letters, A-V-M. then the last line says save from evils on the split side of the stone and it's split we call it the split side because the carver intentionally broke it down to exactly a two to one ratio interesting which is the key to sacred geometry okay and the other thing that's really interesting is that the diagonal distance across that stone is exactly 2.722 feet or 1.1 megalithic yard. Wow. Coincidence? Probably not. Probably not. I've covered the megalithic yard.

It's amazing. It's everywhere. It is everywhere. And then on the split side, it says, there are 10 men by the inland sea to look after our ships, 14 days journey from this island year 1362, carved in pentatic numbers in Arabic placement, 1362. Now, I'm just going to jump into this real quick because we talked a little bit about how, you know, the legend of Enoch, the Inokian Mysteries is embedded within the inscription.

So is Hebrew mysticism. There's very key things about the numbers. There are codes embedded within the inscription. One of the codes, and here's something very interesting. after I did the geological work with the tombstones, and I realized that it was real, I said, somebody's got to document everything on this stone. So I took it upon myself, and I generated a photo library of every man-made feature in the inscription, every ruin, every word separator, every number.

And I used high angle and low angle reflected light to pull out the three-dimensionality of what was there. And I just started at the beginning, and I went through the whole inscription. and I took over 650 photos under magnification. And as I did that, I started to find things. Things that, I didn't know what the hell they were, things that nobody else had ever noticed because nobody ever looked, right? And right from the get-go, the very first thing,

in the number eight, the three lines under the half-loop, at the end of the second bar, there was a dot that was punched at the end, clearly man-made. And if it was man-made, they did it for a reason. I didn't know why. So as I was finding these things, I would stick them in a folder. I just labeled it odd runes.

And it was those things that we turned out to be the beginning of solving the mysteries, the codes. Anyway, so that number. And then on line four in the word shelters, all the runologists always put a question mark after it because they don't know if that's the right word that's not the word i think the word is sinclair wow s k l-a-r now one of the old corrupted spellings that i found in documents going back to this time is the word sclar s-clar sinclair it's one of the about 14 ways you can spell that name.

And Templafans know the Sinclair name for sure. Oh, absolutely. But the L has a little cross on it and doesn't belong there. And they tried to make it a bin rune, but there's no word that works. A bin ruin is where you take one vertical stave and you make two runes off a common stave. It's called a bind ruin or bin run. and there's no other bin ruins than the runstone. So that's probably not a bin run.

And it doesn't work as a bin run. So what is it? Let's pull that out. And I put that in the odd ruins. The last thing on the face side is the word save from evils, Ilu. And you have the strange ruin that looks like a Y with a little cross on the bottom that doesn't belong there.

and two dots. I put that in there. Now remember I told you about the dating? Yeah. One of the things that I found when I went to Sweden is some of the grave slabs were double dated. Double dated. Using the medieval Easter table dating method. And to do that, you need three things.

You need, so the runic alphabet is called the Futharck. And to make a date, you need one of the first seven letters, which is called a Sunday letter. And then the rest of the alphabet, there were 19 runes in the alphabet at that time. There'd be 12 more left. You need a Sunday letter, a golden year, which is any one of the rest of those 12 runes, and a column number. And then you plot them on the Easter table, and it gives you a date. So what we did was we pulled out the one number that singled out, the eight, the L, which they didn't know what to do with, and the U. you.

And you plot them on the Easter table and guess what you get? What? You get a date. Guess what that date is? 1362. Bingo. Wow. Coincidence?

No, it's probably not. Probably not. I'll tell you what I think it is. I think the reason is it's a land. claim. It says it right on it. Acquisition business taking up land. Who was looking to establish a new sanctuary? The Templars were. You following now? Do we know who those men were and what happened to them and what read with bloods? Yes, we do. We do. We do. It's an allegory. Oh. Now, so 1362, keep in mind, why would they need to double date it? Because,

let's say you're a smart aleck and you want to add one more line to the three in 1362. What have you just done? You changed the date. You've added 100 years. That's right. Uh-uh. Can't do it because we protected the date with a simple code using the Easter table dating method from the 14th century.

Onlyworms Easter table was developed in 1314. Keep in mind, AJ, when I do forensics, When anybody does forensics, and you're trying to solve a problem, all the data has to fit. It must fit. Yep. If you've got a piece of data hanging out there, you're not there yet. Right? Right.

Right. So this is what I do when I'm investigating the rune stone, whether I'm talking about the rock, the runes, the Templars, it doesn't matter. It all has to fit. And it fits beautifully. And let me tell you something. I've told you this, and I'll tell you again, I do forensic investigations for a living, and I'm pretty good at it.

This was the easiest evidence trail I've ever followed. Now, I had no idea where it was going to go, but the evidence was consistent, cohesive, and conclusive. Keep in mind, I'm a licensed professional geologist. I take my work very easy. I have a lot of fun. Life isn't worth living, unless you have fun, right?

Right. But when it comes time to dial in and stop shitting around, I dial in. Every single job that I do, I have to be prepared to testify in a court of law under oath to my findings. I think that's a higher bar than the academic peer review process. I agree. Or basically they sit around and talk about it until what? They agree.

Until they agree. Until they agree, right? Well, that process has some merit, and I think a lot of good has come from it, but a lot of shit work has come from it too, including on the Kensington Roonstone. Yeah, they don't like to be wrong. And they don't want to trample on their predecessors. Right. So I've seen a lot of that.

And here's the irony of that. They accuse me of not understanding scientific. method. Let's say you wrote a thesis and got very famous on coffee is good for you. Right. Right. And then I come along and you're in your retirement and I do some work and I find out that guess what, coffee's not good for you. I don't like you very much. You don't like me very much. But if you're a true scientist, you know what you're going to say? You know what, Scott? You developed a whole new set of data that I was not privy to. I had no idea. Nice job. And you accept those results. And just because I proved you wrong doesn't mean you were stupid. The fact that you accept the new data means you're

smart. I agree. That's scientific method. That's not what's happened here. And so we've seen a failure of academia, but there are larger forces at work here. Larger than academia? suppressing the truth? Yes. Like the government, the religious establishment? All of the above. Okay. Because once you accept the Kensington Roonstone,

it triggers a series of dominoes to fall. And those dominoes go to some inconvenient places for these institutions that you just rattled off. One of those places is called the Telpiat Tomb. Tel-a-Tum in Jerusalem discovered 1980. That's the Osweary's, yes? Yes, yes. So these dominoes go back through the time of Christ,

probably through ancient Egypt, and probably even before then. Atlantis. To Atlantis. Yep. Is that where the first Templars come from? Yeah. They do.

The tradition goes all the way. I believe that. I know Tim believes that. I know a lot of people believe that. And I think more and more people are going to believe that in the future. One of Tim's theories, which I think is interesting, is that the brothers of the East and Constantinople were guardians of the Atlantean knowledge,

and then I guess it was Hugh DePain visited there and... They captured Jerusalem. They founded the Templars. Hugh DePan, by the way, was the uncle of Bernard de Clairvaux. Amazing. Coincidence? No. I say that all the time because I'm being facetious, of course.

All those noble Southern France families. the the the merivindians um those burgundian families in southern france that and maravision's probably going to come up later i would think they're religion no those the people oh the people of course the bloodline absolutely this is all look one of the and we haven't even gotten into the research that i've been doing and the new book and you know the green jar and all that the green jar the green jar But if there's one thing that recurs time and time and time again are these same family names. And they are all connected. They are descendants.

And so this is definitely, and I've said this, you've probably heard me say this on other shows. These people are not just the ideological descendants, but the biological descendants as well. from Jesus, Mary Magdalene, Egyptians, and beyond. So, and they're still here, and they're still here. I want to talk about that. Can you connect those dominoes for me from the stone to the Talpia tomb? How do we connect that? Well, it goes to the Templars.

The Templars were in Jerusalem, and the Templars were in the Telpeia tomb. They left their calling card in the form of those three skulls. We also, there's some data. Now, one of the things a lot of people don't know is that when, in 1980, when the archaeologists went in, and they were blasting the hillside in preparation for putting the foundations in for an apartment building, and they found this underground tomb. And these are not rare in Jerusalem, but we know that the ushuary culture dates back to the first century. It was only used for about 100 years in Jerusalem.

and then when the Romans crushed the Jews, that was the end of it. Right. So when we find these, we know they date back to the first century. And in this particular tomb, I don't know if you've heard this, but when the archaeologists went in, the entire tomb was flooded with Terra Rosa soil about two feet deep. I have heard that. Okay. They covered all the ashoires and all the walls and all the Khokim's, the tunnels inside the tomb.

and I don't want to segue off into the James Oshuary. That's a controversial one. You know that one. You know how they were able to establish that it came from that tomb. Just to catch people up, so the James Oscewary was discovered by a collector is how it came on to the scene. Let me just frame this first. Go ahead.

In the tomb, there were 10 ashoaries that were cataloged. Only nine made it to the Israeli. antiquities archives. One went missing. And that's James. That's the James. Okay. So go ahead. So these, and these osuaries are the bloodline of Christ. So John the Baptist. So, so I think it's important that we rattle off the names. Yes. Okay. So one of the ushawaries says Jesus, Yeshua, that's his real name. Yeah. Can I just say something? Go for it. I find this incredibly interesting. And I didn't know this either until I knew it, but probably 90 plus percent of people who call them Christians, call themselves Christians who believe in the resurrection of Jesus.

And he's their Lord and Savior. Don't even know his real name. The Jews know his name. The Jews do, but that's a small percentage compared to people who call themselves Christians, right? I just find that ironic. But in any case, so the name on the ushuary was Yeshua. son of Joseph. Another ushuary said, James,

son of Joseph, brother of Jesus. One said Joseph, Matthew, Maria, Judah, son of Jesus. Now there were seven of the ten ushawaries that were inscribed with names. Six were in Aramaic, one in Greek. We just rattled off the ones in Aramaic.

The one in Greek said, Mary Mnay, the Mara. Mary Mnay is a pet name for only Mary Maglan found in the Axe of Philip. So what the actual F is going on? Why doesn't the world know about this? I don't know. How freaking obvious is this? And a couple of those names are actually referenced in Mark 6'3.

Same names. Same names. Now, some people have come back and said, well, those were common names at the time. They were. And some of them were. but when you start calculating the odds as one of my good friends that keeps me on the straight and arrow we talked about earlier jerry lutkin who's part of the telpi at tomb research team as i am as well um calculated the odds once you added in the james usherry it went from like one in 150,000

to one in two million so even it's not them so even without james usherry James, even without the controversy, this still fits. Well, I'll take those odds every time, won't you? Of course. Hell yeah. So it's them. Now, there's so much more to it. And the way that they were able to establish that that Oshery that showed up on the antiquities

market was purchased by Odid Golin, I think was his name, I don't remember. But he stood firm. And the testing bared out, the scientific testing. And what they did was they took samples from, inside the tomb from the aschories, and they got a geochemical fingerprint of that terra rosa soil that were all contaminated, right? All the asheries and the walls inside the tomb. And the geochemical profile, when they tested the James Oshery, was a spot-on match. It came from the tomb, but obviously somebody had taken it and sold it, right? Did you test DNA in there?

Do we have the genome? I can neither confirm nor deny. I know. I know. what that means in tempo speak yes you do well i'm you know what you should have jerry on you should you should talk to jerry lutkin he's very well spoken he's a really fun guy but he's really wicked smart and he's working with simka um james tabor uh charlie pellegrino um and some of the other guys um on the tomb and they've done a lot of work and it's not it's not public so why suppress this Why not just follow the evidence? We are. And we're coming out with it right now.

But I mean, there are forces that don't want this information now. True. But I think, you know what? And I was talking with Janet about this this morning, just before we came here. With everything that's happening right now, I think those forces have bigger problems. Yep. And I think, you know, you understand procession, right? I do.

You know right now we're living through one of the most. profound moments in human history astronomically, right? And it was predicted that this would be a time of great upheaval. This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius. Dawning of the Age of Aquarius, which is symbolized by two streams that flow together as one. And I look at those two streams.

I mean, there's a number of different symbolic ways you can interpret that, but one of the ways I see it is ideologically, right, and left. which is especially divided in this country right now, right? Yep. And maybe what all this craziness and that green jar is going to do is bring us as one again. That's my hope.

And that's what I want to see happen. I mean, it's easy to sort of go down that negative rabbit hole and get caught up in all this negativity. And it's awful. It's beyond awful. But the symbology is there, right? we've got Pisces, the light in the dark, the left and the right, and we're now leaving that behind. You're posing? Yep. But I think, yeah, and you know, what happens when you go through a dark period?

The clouds clear and the light comes and the sun comes out. And I'm optimistic. I think that's going to happen. And there's one other elephant in the room that we haven't talked about. And that is them. and now, I mean, the last several years, this has been talked about, right? That's all we hear about. It's time that they were introduced and they had their time on the stage because they are here. And if you're listening, Scott pointed to the sky. So you've got extraterrestrials in these documents. Do you want to reveal the documents?

What you're pointing at? I do. I do. I do. I can keep you here all day, man. But I want to know where to be. Well, why? I mean, it doesn't matter which we do first.

But I would also like to talk a little bit about my new book. Of course. I mean, it's, you know, I mean, obviously, I appreciate the plug. But what's important is the story is really important. And I'll just, I'll try to get through this as quick as I can. It's all right. Take your time. Okay.

So about 10 years ago, exactly 10 years ago, ironically in July of 2016, what is it about July when people bring stuff to me? A woman, seriously, sent me an email and she said, I've got the journals of Earl Henry Sinclair. And I went, yeah, right. Delete. Next day. No, really. I've got the journals of Earl Henry Sinclair. Stop it.

Delete. About a week later, she goes, no, I'm serious. I've got the journals of Earl Henry Sinclair, and she sent a couple of pages. Oh. I picked up the phone. Hi, my name is Scott Walter. Nice to meet you. No kidding.

That's what happened. So what are the pages? Where are they found? Who are they? Well, okay. So what happened was her name is Diana Muir. And I'm not going to take you through the whole story. But what she did was she, I went down to see her to view them.

Where? at the Mormon temple in Navu. She's Mormon. And she laid them out. I have videos. I took pictures. I was flummoxed. And Janet will know what that means. Is this the Tennessee? I'm joking when I say flumox. But I was no, seriously, I was like, oh my God. Go ahead. Were they in Tennessee? Is that no, she's in Illinois. Illinois. Illinois. And where did she find them? That's not where she got them. So the short story is she was doing genealogy on her. her own family. And she went all the way back to the early 1800s and realized, well, late 1700s, and realized that one of her ancestors was a guy by the name of John Weems. We call him Jr.

Because his father was also John Weems. We call him senior. And she went to a small genealogical society in Tennessee. And she was doing research. And she asked about John Weems. And the guy said, I think we got something in the basement. They went down in the basement, and there was a wooden chest that had been rescued from a fire in a church in that town back in 1880. When the church burned down, they rescued this thing. Inside was a saddlebag, and inside the saddlebag were these little paper notebooks and what she called a burrito, which was a lambskin map

that was drawn by Antonio Zino of Nova Scotia. of Nova Scotia. And where they buried the treasures. Oak Island is in there. Oak Island is in there. Yep. So I'm like, okay, let's work together, right? I mean, I knew that this was big, right?

Well, she got nervous and threw them away. Oh, my goodness. Because she had a checkered past. And if she was caught, and how did she get them? She stole them. She stole them. She realized that if the world knew about this, if the museum knew what they had, we would already know about it. Obviously, they didn't because most of them were written in Latin in Old English.

Latin, forget about it, right? Have you ever looked at Old English? You can't read it. It's even worse. The last five books were written in modern English. Did she take pictures before she threw them away? She did. Okay.

And we have a lot of the stuff. And I took pictures of everything. I'm a lab guy. I'm anal retentive, you know. So I did a good job. I still would like to go back and do it again. But anyway, so, but what she did was she used, what she said, Bing Translate and Google Translate. And she translated them.

She took them. This was in 2005. She had him for about 10 years. And then she watched our. show. The TV show? She watched our show. She called the TV guy.

And she heard us talking about Henry Sinclair. And in the journal, she remembered a name Henrika Santa Clara. And that's when she went and she translated everything. And she sent it to me. And I read it. And I nearly shit myself. My God, this is the greatest story I've ever read. How did you know they were real?

I didn't know they were real. How did you confirm that? It was too good to be true. Of course it is. What do you think I did for the last 10 years? That's why I waited till now to publish it. Okay. Until I was satisfied that it was more likely real than not.

And there's some pretty interesting stuff in there that she didn't write this. Nobody else wrote this. I mean, there's Masonic stuff. There's internal evidence. There's sacred numbers, symbols, the hooked X. We didn't get into that. Did you find the hook decks on the Kensington Roonstone? I did.

That's on there too. 22 times. Can you tell us what that is? Because that shows up everywhere. It does. Great question. I just like this stuff. I love this stuff.

Okay, so going back to when I was doing the Roonstone, do you remember I told you about the numbers and about the codes that we found and about the legend of Enoch and the Hebrew mysticism? Yes. Well, must be a coincidence, but we have numbers like 8, 22, 14, 10, 10, right? So, it must be a coincidence that there are exactly 22 hooked X's on the Kensington Roonstone. There are exactly 10 V-W runes. That the world has never seen, that the scholars said never existed.

No, donkeys. It just means you've never seen it. And you need to learn to say those three little words. What are they? I don't know. Bingo. They can't do it. They can't say that.

Well, they didn't say that. But isn't that an interesting coincidence? Pseudoscience become science in a matter of time. Well, look, you can't deny these things. You can't. Numbers are numbers, right? There are 14 individual pentatic numbers. So what's the significance of 14?

Why is that important? Well, in the ISIS Osiris mysteries, you know that when Osiris went to visit his jealous brother set, who killed him and cut his body up into how many pieces? 14 pieces. Oh, it's 14 pieces. And how many? How many stations of the cross are there? 14 stations of the cross.

Oh, that's right. Bingo. Must be another coincidence. No. Any case. So you get what I'm talking. And this predates the runestone, 1362, right? I think this all goes back to Akonaten in 1300 BC.

Millennia before the runstone. There are eight G ruins on the runestone that, are backwards with a dot that they'd never seen. So it's interesting that these numbers are singled out. It's also interesting that if you add 8 and 22, you get what? 30. Two shelters. Two.

How much? 32. One day's journey north from this stone. Scottish right degree system is... That's right. 33 degrees. That's right. Right?

And let's talk more. about those numbers. And one of the things that I do is I talk about the esoteric aspects of the Kensington Roonstone. And to make it simple, just about all of us at one point in our life, ask those big questions. What happens when I die? Is there a God? What is the meaning of life, right? And we all sort of go on a spiritual journey. Some do it to organize religion. Some do it different ways, right? Some through Hebrew mysticism. But at the end of the day, what happens on that journey? It all comes back to you, right? It does. To us. It's just us at the end. Do you know how many vertebrae you have in your spinal colon? Oh, goodness. I'm going to guess 33. Bingo. I didn't

know there's going to be a biology exam on this. You know this stuff, right? Come on. I didn't know there's going to be an exam. Do you know how many bones are in your skull? 14 in the skull? No. 24? 14 in your face. In the face, okay. Eight in your cranium for a total of 22. Oh, bingo. The Templars love their numbers. Those are the magic numbers, and they're on the Kensington Roonstone. and 10

when I went through the cryptic council degrees on the way to the Knights Templar degree in Scottish Rai or in Grand Lodge Masonary let's call it and you're a Mason you're a knight I'm a knight I'm a knight I'm a knight but on the way you go through what they call the cryptic council there's three degrees in there

and the middle one is called the select master degree and it was in that degree and just so people understand when we do our degrees, it's made up of part theatrical performance, part lecture. And usually the white hats, the 30 thirds, give the lectures. And so in this particular degree, it's the legend of Enoch and the secret vault. That's nine levels below the sanctum sanctum sanctum. Wait, Enoch is in free masonry? Of course. I didn't know that. Yeah, absolutely. That's fascinating. Yeah. So, So in this degree, it's basically about the secret vault and the nine levels.

Do you know when Enoch was introduced into Freemasonry? I'm trying to put a date line. On the Kinsey-Norunstone is the oldest record of it now. About 15th century. Because Dead Sea Scrolls is like 1966. So they've been there a long time. A long time. Okay.

So during the theatrical performance, they basically play out that it was decided that the three grand masters, King Solomon, Hiram Abiff, Hiram King of Tyre, where all the workers and the wood came, decided that they were going to build the secret vault where a copy of all the true treasures were kept that were up in the sanctum sanctorum, right? And then there's a couple of guards and something happens and some guy gets down there and somebody has to die and there's a lot of blood, read from blood and death. and I'm not really supposed to talk about it, but I'm giving you enough so that you can, yeah, I mean, I, if you want to read the degree, you can look at it up online, but, you know,

I want to stick to my bowels to some degree. I respect that. But then afterwards, a white hat gave the lecture. And at one point he said, and the other eight arches were built by 22 men from Gebel. And I went, eight and 22, those are the, the first two numbers on the Kensington Roonstone. And I didn't hear another thing after that. And then after the degree was over, I went to my Masonic mentor, John Freeberg, one of the guys I told you about is on our team. I said, John, is there a ritual book for this? And he said, yes, I said,

give me that. And I started reading, oh my God, Kensington Roonstone. It's in there. It's all there. And I wrote a paper on this. And to my knowledge, I'm the first person in history. to make that connection. And the craft has accepted it. They have. And they've accepted the Roonstone. In fact, and Janet's, Janet I know was part of this, but a few summers ago, our commandery had like a regional gathering.

And they asked me if I would lead a tour out to the Kensington Roonstone Stone Museum and to the farm that is now a Douglas County Park dedicated to the Roonstone. And so I did that. And there was a lot of people there, a lot of people, and, you know, all my fellow Templar Knights and their families and other masons. And then they said, well, where does the run stone found Scott? They said, well, come on down the hill here a little bit. This is where the stoneholds triangulate.

This is the spot. And right when we got there, the Grand Commander, Jeff Nelson, comes up. He said, well, and he started. starts talking and I'm like, wait a minute, what's going on here? And they presented me with the highest honor you can get in the Templar and a beautiful jewel and a metal. I didn't know that. What is that honor called?

I forget now. I got a picture. I don't remember. I just, it was, but it was given by the Grand Commander. In other words, they had accepted all the research. And then the chaplain consecrated the ground where the runstone was found. What an experience? By the Templars.

They accepted as part of their history. When were united and what was, what's that experience like? Which time? As a Templar. I've been, I'm in three different Templar orders. Do you have to get knighted different for each order? Yeah, you go through a nighting in all three orders. What can you tell us about what that happens there?

It's amazing. It's amazing. I'm picturing candles and robes and... Yeah. Really? Yeah. Well, there's definitely candles and there's a ritual. Brother, I, I, I, there is one thing in Templarism that I cannot talk about.

But when you go through that final degree, there are a lot of things that just suddenly fall into place. I bet. And you're like, oh, shit. now I get it. The Templars have been passing down that knowledge since Atlantis. Is it continued to pass down through the orders today? Yes. And what I will tell you is that, in my personal opinion, most of the guys that go through these degrees have no idea what's really going on. And in many ways, it really doesn't matter because one of the beautiful things about the Masonic system

and about the degree system is you are preserving ancient knowledge through this ritual and through lecture. And even if you don't understand it, it doesn't matter. It's preserved. Right. Just protect it. And if you think about it, it's a brilliant system. It really is.

Now, a lot of guys want to dig deeper. And what's interesting about what's happening today in Freemasonry, a lot of young people are turning away from religion, but they're asking those big questions. A lot of the things that you talk about on your show, the things that I've asked about, and they're just not getting the answers through the regular channels, right? So they're looking to things like masonry. And I've turned a lot of people onto that. But a lot of guys will go through and they just want to go through the line.

They want to be the worshipal master and do all the jewels and all the, and that's great. And there's a wonderful tradition there. That's just not my jam. I'm a researcher. I want to understand what is the meaning behind the rituals that we're doing. I agree. Where does that go back to? And what does it all mean?

And I will tell you that it is freaking profound. And it goes all the way back to the Templars. It goes back to Jesus and Mary and John the Baptist, Egyptians, the Atlanteans. It's all part of the same tradition. Do you want to take us there? Where do we go next? Let's talk about Henry Sinclair.

So we talked a little bit about the journals. And so what I did is I spent 10 years vetting these journals. And then last year I decided I was ready. And all I did was the first thing I do is I attack the elephant in the room, Diana, because everyone's going to go. I'm glad you do this. You got to do it. You have to do it.

You can't sit there and dance around. And, you know, it's, look, it's uncomfortable sometimes to, you know, we've all had those moments where you have to have that talk with your son or your daughter, right? Yes. You're not looking forward to, but you got to do it. You do it. And you do it. So we talk about her and she was very forthcoming.

She admits she stole them. And frankly, I'm glad she did. Otherwise, they'd still be sitting in there and who knows when they would be found. Yeah. And realized, right? So we do that. And then another copy of the journals showed up. They did.

They did. They did. Where did those come from? Well, she actually tracked it down because what she did is she followed the lines of John Weems Jr. Who had like 10 kids. And what we found out is after his death, right before the Civil War. They were all Mason's.

And a cousin, I think two cousins and one of the sons, recopied and they went down their lines and so we were able to get a copy from that line and what happened was John Alston Weems or James Alston Weems in 1885 so this would be about John Weems John Weems Jr. died in 1812 so we're talking what 70 years later 73 years later he has a copy of the journals but they're in the old language so he he has a copy of the journals but they're in the old language so he asked a nun to translate them. She was a, she was formerly trained in Montreal, which is French, right? Right. But she was formally trained by the Catholic Church in Latin. And so she did her own translation. And that was done in 1885 and it was recopied and what we have is a modern copy.

Now, if you have a person who has a copy of those journals from 8, from 1885, who's formerly trained in Latin, would you expect those translations to be exactly like Dianas who used modern translation programs on the internet? Probably not identical. And if they were, that's a problem. It's a problem, yeah.

They're not even close. They're not even close. Well, the essence of the messages are exactly the same. Sure. But the phrasing is different. Words are different. She sneaks in some French words because she lived in Montreal, like Grand Pari, which is, and I'm not saying that route

correctly, but it's a word for grandparents, and that's not in Diana's. So that actually breeds authenticity into the document. But in any case, it's the same story. So what I do is I published Diana's translation, and then in italics, I do Sister Harkin's translation, and then highlighted is my commentary. And this is in your book? This is in the book. Okay.

So just for fun, can we read a couple of passages? I'm ready. Okay. So when Earl Henry Sinclair was eight years old, the very first entry, his father, he writes about how his father and eight is a very important number. Remember? Yep. Eight Goths?

Eight Goths. And he says, he gave me this book to write down things I will remember. when I am a man and he writes religiously throughout his life and we learn everything about his life and it's an amazing life let me tell you he becomes the earl of orkney and a lot of crazy stuff but anyway so what he does is he's also a vassal to the Norwegian king is the earl of orkney because they were under the rule of the Norwegian king at that time and so he has to go to norway periodically and report so this is when like late 14th century well the first entry he makes is in 1353 when he's eight years old so he was born in 1345 then he this particular time he goes up is in 1368

which is about six years after the runstone was carved and he finds out when he's having dinner with the king and a bunch of people that there was a guy who recently came back from the western lands North America. Where is that written? That's in the journals? Yes. But I thought you told me Christopher Columbus discovered America.

I never said that. You shut up. I did not say that. I knew that was coming. Okay. So he learns from this guy. It reminds him about a party that left Norway

in 1358. And he heard about them, but he doesn't know what happened to him. So he says in one of his journals, I got to go back and talk to the brethren and find out, the older guys, right? Yeah. So he writes in July 26, this is about two months after he gets back from Norway. July 26, 1368, I had spoken with the brethren regarding my concerns for the men who have traveled to the Western banks in the spring of 1358.

No word has been received from them, but Brother Cameron has said that none is expected. They were instructed to find suitable land for settlement. Boom! Land claim. Right on. Yep. And that more would follow. More what would follow?

More Templars. More Templars are coming. They were establishing New Atlantis. New Atlantis. They were instructed to find suitable land for settlement. that more would follow. He acknowledged that they were men of the craft and included monks with herbal knowledge. So free masonry, alchemy, and the monks with alchemy and obviously legend of Enoch knowledge. Yes. Roonstone. Earlier we figure out who it was. His name was

father Richards. But I don't want to go down that rabbit hole today. Because of the political unrest in Scotland, no additional brethren have been sent. It might be several years before another journey can be planned. So, in 1395 and 1398, Earl Henry takes eight ships loaded with treasures to the Western lands, and then he went again in 1398. Were these the Templar treasures? Tempor treasures that were hidden in, we learn all about where they were hidden. and we know what happened after they left Laura Shell.

So hang on, let's catch everybody up. These are the treasures that King Philip the Fair wanted and they were missing. Yes. So when the arrest order came down on October 13, 13.07, the agents of the church immediately went to the treasury at the headquarters of the Knights Templar in Paris, opened the doors and it was empty. Then they went up to Laura Shell where there were 18 ships. that were parked there, loaded, well, some of them were loaded with treasure, and when the agents went up there, they were gone too. So they disappeared into history, and people have speculated ever since. This tells us exactly what happened. Are we going to learn what the

items actually were? If you're nice. Okay, I got another one for you. Now, the obligation after Earl Henry came over, was passed down to his son and grandson and five generations of the Sinclair's, as you were to visit the Western lands twice in your lifetime, once with your father, once with your son, to make sure the treasures were safe. It's important to note, too, that starting with Earl Henry, they formed a deep spiritual bond with the natives, who basically bonded through ritual the natives practice freemasonry just like we do exactly the same funny about that yeah most people don't know that um i've been in their sweats and i had to earn the right to ask my questions they say that knowledge came from somewhere else they've been doing it for tens of thousands of years

all the way back to you know who yep so the natives know yes and basically and inner marriage they also bonded through intermarriage. But essentially what the natives said to Earl Henry and his descendants was, you are our brothers, gold and silver mean nothing to us. If you want us to guard these treasures for you, we'll do it. So every time they came back to check on them, they met with the natives, they broke bread, they shared rituals, and a lot of those knights stayed. In fact, in 1398, 120 Knights Templar said, we've been excommunicated, the plague is ravaging in Europe. You know what?

I think we're going to try our chances over there. You know those Native women? They're pretty cute. Where did those Templars end up? North America. North America. So not only did they leave the treasures, they brought the bloodline.

Oh, boy. And put it in the natives. But that's another story. Any case. They put the bloodline in there. natives. Why do you think there was so much genocide? Yeah, committed by Catholics. Okay. A lot more to the story, isn't it? Yeah, there is. So, we go through all the five generations of the Sinclair's. We get, and the journals pass from the Sinclair's to the Weems because the later

generations were not good guys. Catherine Sinclair, interesting that a goddess made the transfer to her husband who was James Weems. The Weems clan were shipping barons then and they still are to this day. So they had the means to go over and check on the treasures, right? So for nine out of ten generations, the Weems family went over and checked on the treasures. We get to the 10th generation, which is John Weems, Jr., who receives a note from his father. He said, you need to come see me right away. it's very important, get here as soon as you can.

And he writes in his journal, by the way, he was the most prolific writer. He said, my father's never asked me to do something like this before. I need to get up there right away. John Weems Jr. fought in three wars, the French and Indian wars, the revolution, and I forget the other one. And he was deeded land by the government in Tennessee.

That's how he got to Tennessee. He was originally in North Carolina when he got dismissive when he was 28 years old. That's why Tennessee factors in. He was gifted. Exactly. Exactly. So he goes to visit his father

who lives in Abington, Pennsylvania, which is about 20-minute drive north of Philadelphia. And he says, son, and it turns out his father was at really bad gout, he would die two years later

in 1771. But this is 1769. He said, you're to go with these two older men, up to Nova Scotia to check on the treasure. and then when you're done, come back. His father couldn't go with him.

So they go up there, they check on the treasures. On the way back, John is having doubts about the story. And he's reading the journals. His father gives them the journals to read. He's having doubts? Doesn't he see the treasure? Well, no, they see where it's buried. It's in the ground.

But they see piles of rocks. They see inscribed stones. They see who knows what else, what all. And he's like descended from, you know, kings in Scotland. This is crazy. So you know what the older guys did? They took them to the Newport Tower. The Newport Tower.

John was an engineer and he was fascinated with how the building was, the windows were in the cardinal points and aligned to the, you know, the astronomica. He caught all that. So to catch everybody up, that's the ramp, that's the windmill, right? The Benedict Arnold windmill. You stop it. That's for some reason is round and for some reason aligns with the solstice. I get like this when you say windmill, man.

I know, but you obviously know about the tower. You know, it was built by the Templars. And it's mentioned in here. It's mentioned in here. I mean, anyway, so he comes back and he's convinced when the tower convinced him for some reason. So he comes back to his father and his father, they've been gone for like two months. And he said, son, the political situation has changed.

You need to go back and round up more men and you're going to go recover those treasures next year. So he does that. He rounds up 46 freemasons, young men, and six slaves. Now, I'm going to ask you a question. Do you know what the word manumission means? Yes. Do you liberate a slave?

Damn. Nobody gets that right. I didn't know what that was. I learned about it in the journals. So what did they do with this? So those six slaves that went up and helped recover their treasures were freed when they got back for their service. Wow. So 46 men and six slaves go to Abington where there was a special meeting. It was like the rah-rah speech before they took off. Remember, they're going

into British territory, right? Right. And so. And this is about what like 1770 70 70? Okay. So it's dangerous. So that's yeah. So listen to this. This entry was written by John Weems Jr. May 6, 1770. And it'll speak for itself. My father, having been raised to the status of Master Mason and the 46 British Regiment, I had to go to Canada to vet this. And that's another story in itself. I looked at all the Templar records going back to his times.

He was a Templar. His father, 46 British Regiment presided over the meeting which was attended by William Ball of Philadelphia and Benjamin Franklin, the former provincial grandmaster of Pennsylvania. And that is correct. That timing is correct. Now, anybody could have found that, but everything fits, right? It's a lot. It's a big hoax if it's a hoax. This is a lot of information. Too much detail. Right. That, that fits. The brethren gathered in the schoolhouse, and for three hours were impressed upon by the presiding brethren the importance of their

mission. We were each divided into groups of five, and each group was named after the ship of Earl Henry's that brought the treasures of, which is kind of cool. Yeah. And told to embrace each other in the coming journey and learn to trust and depend upon each other as it would become vitally important in our task. The presiding brethren also imparted their knowledge of current political events and told us that it was immensely important that the Templar treasure find its way back to the Grand Lodge to assist in the oncoming war. The Revolutionary War was funded by Templars, by Templar Treasure? That's how I interpret it.

That's what it sounds like. It was financed by somebody. Well, one of my friends, John Freeberg, I think I told you about him, did a little research into the financing of the Revolutionary War. And there was one particular brother who I can't remember his name that put up a lot of the money. but John says he could only account for 60 of the 160 million that was spent on the war where did that other hundred million come from I think we might know yeah because we

looked into all this uh we would soon lose control of the territory in Nova Scotia and the brethren feared it would be lost if not retrieved straight away they also reiterated that secrecy was of the utmost important, and that we would always be surrounded by British troops and subjects who might report our every move. Brother Franklin reminded us that no matter what our political or religious leanings, our loyalty to the brethren, was most important. We must honor our commitment and remember our vows, or the burgeoning nation of free men might never come to pass. I don't know about you, but I get chills every time. Absolutely.

After a brief supper was served and prayers were said, we left to return to our bunks in Abington, knowing that the future of the nation lay in our hands. I prayed that I would be a capable leader and said as much to my father. He responded that leaders are not born. They are created. The Lord would guide me in my journey.

I must only have faith in him as he does in me. father made the sign of a cross on my forehead with his thumb and gave me his blessing. I leave with a lighter heart. That's very, that's lovely. I was like in tears the first time I read that. I'm like, Franklin, brother. Yeah. Why didn't you tell us?

I mean, but nobody knew about that. Nobody could know, right? Most of the founding fathers were Masons, weren't they? 53 of the 56 signers. So do you think they knew about? this? Hell yes. Are you kidding me? Of course they did. If Ben Franklin knew, George knew, Thomas Jefferson,

George Mason was right, listen. So you know where George Mason Island is. Yes. Deere Roosevelt Island, right? So you and Tim must have talked about this. We didn't. You didn't? No. So please. Yeah, man. You're impressive.

Look at you. July 14. 1770, they're back. And actually, you know who captained the ship? It was a weems. He was a Brit. Oh, he was a Brit. But his, but his vow. Loyalty to the brethren was most important.

Yes. And it was his cousin, John's cousin. And they brought everything back and kept their mosh. It has taken the greater part of the day to transfer all the, all the cargo up the Potomac River to Mason's Island. That is now Theater Roosevelt Island, which sits right behind what monument? Is that behind Jefferson?

Lincoln. Lincoln, okay. Right by the river there, right where that helicopter crashed. Remember that, the collision? Yeah. I think Mason's monument is over there somewhere, though. Oh, it's behind Thomas Jefferson.

Behind Jefferson. They call him the forgotten founder. Oh, that's... George Mason. Yeah. Yep. surprised at them. Oh, do you want to, you got to tell them why he's the forgotten founder. Well, he's called the forgotten founder because you don't hear about him.

But he was the one that wrote the Bill of Rights and I think it was the constitution, you know, the part of the constitution that was actually for the state of Virginia. Right. And Thomas Jefferson used that as a template. That's exactly right. Yeah. So, but anyway, he was also. one that would not sign the bill of rights unless there was a provision put in there that basically said that everybody is born with certain inalienable rights.

Did you know that? I didn't know that. And that goes back to Parciful, where it's first mentioned that every human being is born with certain inalienable rights. And he wouldn't sign it

until they put a provision in that said that. The church doesn't like that either. Well, too bad. I was enlisted by Brother Hansen to inventory the cargo, was placed in the vault, and was surprised at the amount of treasure we had recovered. The inventory was given to Brother Mason upon completion, so I do this from memory.

Hold on. Are we going to know? Well, maybe we should just stop. No. Hold on. Are you ready for this? Yeah. Buckle up, because here we go.

So forget Oak Island. There's nothing there. No, it's gone. Okay. In total, there are more than 40 chests of coin, 25 gold crucifixes of varying sizes, 12 menorah of varying sizes, numerous parchments and paintings kept in tubes

of crushed lime and clay. Only a very few of them have been open to the weather and all seem in good repair. there are also six arcs made of gold and silver of various sizes. We mean like Ark of the Covenant Arks? Spelled A-R-K. Okay. That's how I interpret it.

So you know what that means, right? I think most people listening are going to go, six arcs, what are you talking about, right? Well, the secret of the arc isn't where it is. it's how to make one. And you know how to make, you know who knows how to make one? Our boy, Tim Hogan.

Tim knows how to make an arc? Yeah. I knew he's an alchemist. I didn't know he was an arc builder. I'm sorry if I wasn't supposed to say anything, Tim. They're going to revoke your award. Three heavily decorated with filigree and winged creatures. Oh, my goodness.

So this is the cherubim on the ark. Yes. four stone boxes that contain remnants of bone Oh my goodness A stone box of broken stone tablets I mean you can't make this I mean I guess you could No you could but you can't right

An emerald tablet Several bloodied swords and lances two of which are broken One stone box contains flasks of mysterious substances. Alchemy. But I am reluctant to ask what magical solutions they contain.

Several casks of jewels and numerous other gold and silver artifacts fill the empty space. It was late evening before we closed the door to the vault, which was then sealed with mortar made of crushed lime and shells. The entrance was then covered with soil and made invisible to those who know

not where it lay. A group of 10 and 14 masons encircled the tomb. And we bless the vault and ask Heavenly Father to bless and protect this place against time and ravages and greed of war. Cousin James left under the... Anyway, that's getting into the details. Now, let me ask you a question. Why 10 and 14? I was going to ask you as a strange way to say, that aren't those numbers on the kensington and russo oh that's right why didn't you just say 24 i don't know templars do this there's a reason and he called it a tomb i did not catch that at first first time i read this i was so flabberg flabbergasted um four stone boxes with remnants of bone are those the bones that we're talking about i honestly don't know but of course of course

Of course they are. I mean, why else would they bring them over, right? I would love to test those bones against what's in Talpia. We've already... Have you done that? No. Okay. Not yet.

But I will say that if bones or maybe, let's say they found a skull, could we test that against known entities that came out of like, say the Telpiat tune. could they have done the DNA already and could we test it I'd say yeah has it been done I can't confirm no deny what you said

not not yet not yet okay okay so that's that this is the greatest story seriously Templar tale never told this is like this is like national treasure on steroids Good luck getting it. It's sold out. I couldn't get it. We'll get more. We'll print more. But I mean, I am now, and then I have a final chapter where I talk about, I called it analysis. And I'm just going to give you one minor little example that is nothing that says a lot. In one of the entries, when they're over here, they talk about a big furry animal that cuts down trees.

which a lot with a large flat tail beavers beavers the entry was made in 16 something this is this is john weems junior i think or no it was the generation before that what i found out is that beavers were hunted out in like the 14th century that's true in the british is yes they were reintroduced in 2004 so beavers are in Scotland and England now. But in 1665, that's when it was, when he wrote that entry, he didn't know what the hell that was. He didn't know what kind of animal that was? He didn't know because he didn't have him over there.

Right. For like 300 years. But now they have them. Now something like that is so innocuous, but yet it's huge. Those are the details that really sell it for me. Those little, like the two lances were broken. Like he's just covering. Yeah.

Like, look. But I remember. A couple of them were broken. The swords were broken, right? Bloodied and broken. There was stain on them or something. But there's all kinds of, and 10 and 14. Why?

I mean, it's stuff like that that just, if you're a 40, you don't know the stuff, right? And you start getting into the sacred numbers that are the Fibonacci sequence. One, two, three, five, eight, 13. And then, you know, 22 and 26, which is 20, times 13. And when you understand the sacredness of these, not many people know this. And yet this is what they're doing because it's honoring deity. It's honoring the goddess. What's also interesting about that entry that nobody would know is that throughout the journals, they talk about the goddess, getting the blessing of the goddess. They rarely talk about the heavenly father. The only time that

they mention here is when it's associated with death. That's interesting. Yeah, it is. They don't mention the goddess. So the goddess is life. Bingo. Yeah. And that's why they always use the sacred numbers.

Now, some people know that now because we've been talking about it. Did you realize that agates were based around the sacred numbers when you were hunting them? Of course. I didn't. No, I didn't at first, but I do now. I mean, it's everywhere. It's the key to life in the universe.

I agree. Let's take a quick break and then we'll come back and look at these. Do you want to do the green jar? We need to get to the green jar. I don't care if you do or not. We're doing it. We're doing it. Okay.

The green jar. Do we want? It's time. Is this the big reveal? You know what? It's okay if it's not. No, I think this is the big reveal. And I mean, I need to give you.

you a little bit of context. Sure. I do want to just do one thing if it's okay, E.J. As we go through this, you know, we're having a really good time. And again, I want to thank you again for having me on. This is been, I'm having a blast. I don't want it to end. I want to keep going. But, you know, as much fun as we're having, you know, I just want people to understand that what we're doing here is we're not trying to go after anybody. We're not trying to attack anybody's faith. I'm not trying to make a point. We've been doing this research. I've been on this path, and it led us to finding this jar. And I'm going to tell you the story. And it's about some of the most important things to a lot of people. And I just want people to understand I'm not here to

try to offend anybody. I'm not trying to attack anybody's faith. I'm just presenting the information. I'm certainly welcome to have my own opinion, but I'm not trying to project anything. I'm just, we found it, and here's what it says. And I think that's good enough. So if people can do their own research, they can believe what they want to believe, we're not here to change minds.

Yep. You just follow the evidence. Yeah. And it's a great story. It's a great story. It's a treasure hunt. All right, well, let me give you a little bit of context. So in 2006, I was at a conference

on the East Coast, a nearer conference, New England Antiquities Research Association. And I gave a lecture, and then afterwards I was introduced by a woman named Zena Halpern, who was a good friend, to a guy named Don Rue, six-foot-eight guy who has a voice like this, so if I talk like him, I can't help it. But anyway, a very interesting guy. And he asked me if I would help him. him with some field work. And in 2008, myself, Steve St. Clair, my son Grant, and a guy, another friend and researcher

by the name of Dave Brody, went up into the Catskill Mountains and to help Don with some research. And we found some carvings up there, Theban letters carved in the rocks, and an inscribed stone. We found an inscribed stone. Wow. Had the latitude and longitude of Montreal. It had some interesting symbols carved on it on the backside, which we now know are a Teneit symbol, which is the ancient goddess of the Phoenicians and something called the wilted rose of the house of the magdalen.

I didn't know what those symbols were at the time, but I do now. How did you date this stone? What age is this? We aren't really sure, but it probably dates back to about sometime in the 17th century. Okay. Not that old, not super old. In any case, I got to know Don and I came to realize kind of along with him that he worked for an agency starting in 1961 until it was dissolved in 1994 that did work for our military. They were paid to do certain work.

And I'm supposed to say... He didn't tell you what kind of work? You know what kind of work he did? Yes. You can't say? I can't really go into all of it. I understand. I don't want to upset Don.

Don's 83 years old and, you know, he's... Let's not upset Don. I don't want to upset Don. But anyway, his best friend was a guy by the name of Bill Jackson, who after he got out of serving in Korea, needed a job so Don got them involved in the in with this agency so they started working together one of and they lived in New York in the Bronx and one of the things that they used to do and in

1968 they went up the Hudson River to a place called Bannerman island Francis Bannermo was an arms dealer who would sell to both the north and the south during the civil war and then his son sold to people leading up to the first world war it's an interesting story but he was a Scottish arms dealer. And what they did was in 1916, I think they'll quote me on these dates, but 1916, Francis Bannerman the fourth died, fourth or six, I forget now. And then two years later, the munitions that were stored on the island blew up. So all this stuff went into the water, Hudson River, around the island.

Don and Bill and his buddies would go up there and scuba dive and snorkel, get the munitions, take them to the Bronx and pawn it for money. Well, while they were up there, Don was over on the eastern shore, which is only about a quarter mile. It's close to the eastern shore, right where the railroad goes by, and he found a couple of decorative ornaments

that had blown off the island. And he gave him to his friend Bill because his wife was a gardener, and she used him in her garden. A year later, their five-year-old son pulled the top ball of this decorative ornament and realized that it opened, and Bill opened it, and inside was a clay tube four inches long, inch in diameter, sealed with beeswax.

Inside were two parchments that were encrypted in Theban and had a very controversial message. The other thing that was inside there was a brass hockey puck-shaped device that was actually a navigation device. And inside were metal inserts. on one of those metal inserts was the word Antioa. Antioa is the ancient name of North America. Bill did a bunch of research, traveled to France, and he bought a book that had the word Antioa in it. And basically this book was European languages

that have Native American words in them. And the word Antioa was in this book. It was published in seven. 1715. What Bill Jackson then did was chase down the descendants of the two authors, Roche Vecold and Benvenuto. He eventually met the descendant of Benvenuto in Rome, who had a document that was referenced inside that paper that we now call the Cremona document. And it was offered to Bill, and he bought it. Bill did not. tell Don everything about his research. One of the things we know that he bought was an encrypted

story about a 12th century mission of six ships with 144 men and women led by a Templar Knight by the name of Sir Ralph de Soutley. Look up his brother. He did something very famous. But anyway, he was to lead these people to North America. to a place that we know now is in the Catskill Mountains where we were hiking up on in 2008 and 9. A place called the Temple of the Goddess where ancient biblical era scrolls were hidden. And DeSatelie's mission was to go and recover those scrolls

and bring them back to Europe. He left in 1177. Who assigns him that mission? Grandmaster. Okay. On the way, he stopped in Denmark and picked up their navigator, a woman by the name of Altamara. I think she was indigenous because she knew exactly how to get to the temple. How would she know that?

Because that's where she came from. Right. On the way there, rounding the southern coast of Newfoundland, one of their ships hit rocks. It was unable to be fixed. They salvaged everything. They salvaged everything, towed it out and scuttled it. They marked the location in the Cremona document. Bill got that part of the document and he said,

let me take this part and I'll be back. And then he called Don and said, hey, Don, I want to go scuba diving up in Newfoundland. Don never married, never had kids, never had an excuse. But as Don said, Bill said the magic words, all pay. So they went up there to dive the shipwreck. And they found the ship. Wow.

It's all in the book I'm writing right now. And it's amazing stuff. Anyway, that convinced Bill that the story was true. He went back to Rome and he bought it in 1971. And they were up there in 71. So for the next 20-something years, Bill was doing everything he could in the field to try to find stuff we now know we now know and he would always bring Don with him and Don would hear things but he didn't he didn't know what was going on in 1994 bill who was a medical doctor realized he was dying

of arterial sclerosis and Parkinson's disease and he sold the document to the vatican oh no yeah that's what I said oh no bill was no fool In 2013, one of the other guys that worked in the agency called Don and said, hey, I've got some 35 millimeter film that Bill gave me, do you want this shit? Undeveloped. Bill, Don said, of course. Photographs of everything that he sold. Then, in 2017, Jan and I were driving back from the East Coast,

and we just happened to stop and see Don. And I go in there and I said, I want to get a drink of water. I go in the kitchen and I look and I see a picture of Don with Rick Lagina and another guy from the Curse of Oak Island show. And I said, what the hell? I said, will those guys here? He said, yes. I said, what the hell do they want?

He said, they left me a contract. You read it. You're in the TV business. You tell me. So I'm reading this thing and I go, oh, this is great, Don. they want all your artifacts, they want all your documents, they're not going to pay you anything, but they're going to let you be on the show for your 15 minutes of fame. This is a great contract. I'd sign it right away. I'm not signed to that. Well, how about signing mine?

You did? I did. We signed a deal right there. I still can't believe that. And then he hands me a manila envelope. And I opened the manila envelope. And there's a letter. And there's a letter, from Bill Jackson's daughter, Melissa. Basically, she said, she's got a letter from her father from 1996. And she basically, he says, I'm giving you this stuff because I don't want your mother to get it. His wife hated all this research.

And you said, if your mother gets it, she'll throw it away. If anything happens to me, get this to Don. Well, Bill died in 2000. So obviously, Melissa forgot. But in 2017, she found, it and she mailed it to Don. And that letter was in there and she wrote a letter and said, dad told me, I'm sorry, you know, blah, blah, blah.

You know what was in there? What? Page one of the year we remember that story of subtly going over to recover. And he got half the scrolls. And he wintered over. Half the actual scrolls that were at the Temple of the Goddess. This is 1179. Wow.

And then they wintered over. they sailed back and then 1180 he gave his deposition in front of the grand master and agents of the church they each made copies that's what we got but he said one of the most the most important document that he was able to recover was the marriage document of jesus and mary magland wow the marriage document and that was in 1180 so half the scrolls are still there so now Melissa gives us this sheet and it's filled with Theban. And on the back, what's Theban? Theban is, it's a, an alphabet, a secret alphabet that was used by the Templars that was developed sometime around 1250, we think.

Any case, a lot of the documents that we would end up getting are in Theban and you're going to see some Theban today. So anyway, that first page also had a cipher phrase at the top that it turns out you have to have to be able to decipher any of the Theban. In Bill's notes, he basically told the church that the first page was missing. That was a lie. Yeah. So guess what? He sold the church a worthless document. Boom.

I love this guy. Now we're starting to learn what he really did. Long story short, over the course of the last, almost, it'll be nine years, half a dozen of the colleagues that Bill and Don worked with in this agency, this company, have died. And we know what Bill did. He disseminated the most important parts of the document to, his colleagues with strict instructions upon their deaths. This material was to go to Don Rue.

Why Don? Well, the third one we got was a letter written from Bill to John Lennon. Not that John Lennon. John Lennon was with the agency, but he was also a Scotland yard. And whenever they would go to the British Isles, he was the liaison that they would meet up with. And he and Bill were good friends. So he gave him some stuff.

but in the letter he said Don and I were childhood friends he is my best friend he was the only one that took my research seriously and he was the youngest of the Spartan personnel so he's probably going to outlive us and that's exactly what's happened he's the last man standing

does he have all the material is it now all accounted for it is okay so now you know what Bill did in 2022 Janet and I and Don went into the woods in the upper Adirondacks and we went

hold that thought in 1656 we have a letter that was written by Lionel de Walder in the 23rd his name shows up in earlier documents remember this bloodline stuff we were talking about I do for sure okay he writes a letter that says flatlanders and hollanders

Dutch people are moving into the area we got to get the stuff out of here and then he lists all the documents that they still had at the temple that were hidden in North America one of them is something called the book of the wars of the Lord which is mentioned in numbers

this is allegedly a lost book of the Bible yes but no extent copy is known to exist today that's not true. We have two parts. You have that book? Remember those pictures? Yep. That's what the Vatican wanted. Of course they did. Because in the book of the wars, the Lord, which we now have, Bill gave to us in his weird way. There are two things that are problematic. We can read him if you want, but I'll just tell you what's... Tell us what's in there. What's problematic. One is that deity, has an equal male-female counterpart.

She is mentioned and she is powerful. That's problematic. That's a problem. Yep. The second part is aliens. In that book, what do they say about aliens? How are they described?

I am the goddess, and I do battle for the sons of Dodd, Dan, sons of Dan. I'm trying to pull it up from my head. You will leave this place for I do battle for the sons of Dan, and they kept marching. And then she calls down a silver beast with wings like a bird that spat lightning bolts into the water, and the horses of the chariots died,

and the men shook as with palsy. and died because they entered the shallows of the water. But in the other part of the Book of the Wars, the Lord, and in one of the encrypted messages, this name keeps turning up. The Angel K. The Angel K. I'm not familiar with that. Well, in one of the encrypted messages,

it says, I saw the lights again. The right one descended. upon my winter lodge and there stood the likeness of Amman, not a man. This is in scripto continuum, but it's A, M-O-N. I kept trying to make it an A, but Janet said, it's a frickin O, and it's an O. Amman. He spake in, oh, I saw around him, around his eyes a light blue color. He spake into me in the tongue of the people. He said, can ye understand me? I said, yea, but that's not my native tongue. So he switched. Telepathy? Wow. And so he sends him on a mission.

Now, remember I told you about the letter where they got to get the stuff out of there? Yep. They took it to Montreal. hence the stone we found and lots of messages that tell us that's what they did but on the way up through the Adirondacks they diverted and they buried the book of the wars the lord in a different place that was in 16 something this message I just gave you was in 1898 and of course I thought the runestone was going to show up right of course what had nothing to do with the runstone But that's what it says. And what the angel K told the scribe at the time, who was updating the Templar records,

and he finished that job in 1908, that's what the, that's what all this is. It's the last update. He said, get the book of the wars, the Lord. And he sent him on the mission to go get it. And he got it. And he gave it to the angel K who said the book is no longer amongst the world of men. which begs the question, why did the aliens take it back? Because in 1898, was the world ready for a dual gendered God religion?

No. Was the world ready for aliens? Nope. If you Google right now, Book of the Wars, the Lord, I just told you what it said. There is no extant copy. We have two parts. And this is what's in it. And that's why they took it back.

So, of course, that freaked me out. Yeah. Because I'm a science guy, right? And I'm not saying, well, I've been dealing with this for several years now because I was approached by the government. You heard about that, right? No. You were approached by the government. Yeah.

To do what? Help with disclosure. Oh, don't take that. Don't take that gig. After this, I'll tell you the story. Okay. Did not end well. I'm glad.

I would, don't take that gig. Yeah. In any case. But even as a scientist, a silver beast. and the thing is shooting fire. It could only be one thing. The first time I gave a lecture and I talked about it, this is about three years ago, almost three years ago now.

I'm with a group of people that are open-minded. And I said, people, help me. This is not my jam, okay? This isn't what I do. What, and they're all laughing. Scott. It's right there. It's right there.

Look, yes, it took me a while to go there because I did not see this stuff that I've been working on with Don since I met him in 2006. That reluctance is important to us, though, that you don't just jump on the next theory. Well, I've jumped now. I know. Because I have no choice. Right. Because I can't interpret it any other way. But there's more.

Okay. There's more. Okay. So now let's go forward. at one point we went to that place to look for the scroll

before we got the message that told us that it was gone but there was some stuff there we found a cool little treasure of coins and crosses and that's a whole other story. Templar treasure? Yep. Okay. You have that? We do. Can you show the world that or no?

Yeah. Okay. That... We were going to reveal it in the book but you know we'll do that maybe another time. Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's cool stuff.

Really cool stuff. Tim just goes, I didn't even know that one cross with the symbols on. He goes, yeah, he said, that's my signature. And I looked at his signature, sure enough, it was there. Yeah. Tim knows everything about this. So, and we were walking out.

And Janet and I and Don were walking out of the woods, and it's kind of rugged back there. There's nothing out there. No houses, no roads. Way the far. And I said to Don, so anyone left? Any more of your colleagues?

Well, McMasters is living, but he and Bill didn't get along. He wouldn't give him anything. And he sat there for a minute and he goes, Bill had a girlfriend. Oh. As it turns out, she died two years previous, but she gave everything to her cousin, who goes simply by the name Roberta.

she doesn't want her using her name. Don found her about four months later. And that's a cool story. And she had a bunch of stuff. A bunch of stuff. What did she have? Including this message. Okay.

That's wild. What is this? Well, that's a key. That's CLY. That was done around circa 1908. What do you see? Well, first thing that jumps out is,

is veritas most liberate? The truth set you free? Is that what that is? You got it. Is that Theban? What else do you see? See that cross

right there? Yep. That's one of the crosses. We found one exactly like that. That's the five wounds of Christ's cross, but it has a totally different meaning in Templarism. and Tim will tell you that.

What does it mean in Teplerism? I'm going to let Tim tell you. Okay. Some things I think are for him. Now, this is a strange friggin alphabet. Yes. But we have a key right here. And then on the back, we have a message.

But that's not what's important. Did you ever see the movie National Treasurer? Sure. Do you remember what they used to do, bring out the secret message on the back of the Declaration of Independence. And they use heat or light? They use lemon juice. Lemon juice.

And heat, remember, and the message you come and it would cool down and disappear? Yep. You know what else works? Black light will do that also? We learn this in the Boy Scouts with the lemon juice. You have to read. I can't be the one to read that.

That's unbelievable. The Yeshua Scroll. is not at our lodge. Now remember, on the letter in 1656, the documents that they still had to get out of there, one of the things that's mentioned is eight Yeshua Scrolls.

Eight Yeshua Scrolls. We have another message where the angel K says to CLY, the guy that did this work, who went and got the Book of the Wars, the Lord. He said,

take the Yeshua scrolls, pick one, burn the rest. I do so. All go with the Sulpicians. Montreal was settled by the Sulpicians, which is a branch of the order that came from St. Sulpes in Paris, France, which is just a few blocks down the street

from Notre Dame Cathedral, which is about two blocks away from that plaque that Tim told you about where Jacques de Mollay was not burned at the steak, roasted. He was roasted at the steak. He was roasted. So he would suffer more. Right. So Montreal is a Templar city. Hell yeah. Okay. That's a great story too. The Yeshua scroll is not at our lodge. We went back to the old land and laid it in the dirt where the bear eats the moon. it is a right bite. Talico.

Talico was C-L-Y's indigenous name. He was married to an indigenous woman. This is late 1800s, early 1900s. What the hell is he talking about? I don't know. I do. Is he giving indication where that scroll is? Yes.

So there's one scroll. Why burn the rest? Okay. I was upset when I read that. Yeah. Fothered me. That's in a different document, but I was extremely upset when that happened. So that takes us all the way to, Roberta gave us a bunch of six encrypted messages.

One was invisible, but the rest were coded. Everyone is different. That's the thing about these encrypted message. Everyone's different. Some will have a different cipher phrase. They use different alphabets. you know, summer in Theba. I mean, it's, just because you get one doesn't mean you're going to get the rest. Right. They're all different. And but we've done so many of these and of course, Donna has a lot of

experience. We've been able to figure him out. So you've been able to figure out the cipher phrases? Yes. Yeah. And we're going to do one. We're going to do one. Okay. So flash forward now to last June. I'm at the cosmic summit speaking, literally giving you, literally giving you. a lecture. Don calls me, but I was speaking, so I had my phone off. I didn't know. I get off the stage. Oh, Don. I get alone. I go, Don, McMasters died. What? I thought he had Bill didn't get along. Well, apparently they got along. And in July, he drove down to New Jersey to meet with the executive of his estate, and he gave him two things. This, wow. So McMaster's was holding out.

Robert didn't have everything. What do you see? I see characters and then Roman date. And you see what at the bottom? That's C-L-Y's Sigla. Oh, okay. And that's a pseudonym, by the way. Cliface, Lucinius, Jarbo.

But every scribe throughout the tradition took on the same name. Because what they're doing is up. updating the Templar records and their treasure maps. Gee, if you're the scribe for the Templars and you're doing their treasure maps, do you think maybe some people might want to talk to you? Yeah, I use a different name.

Use a different name. But they use the same name throughout time. But shouldn't the Templars want... The 23rd. Shouldn't Templars want to copy this again and pass this down? Isn't that part of the... This is the last time. This is it?

This is the last time. It says in another message. This is the last time. last done in 1908. And that's when this guy was around and that's everything, the papers all seemed to fit. Although this stuff is more modern.

And you'll see why in a sec. Why would it be the last time? Is a mission complete? You want me to be totally honest? Yes. I think that they knew what was coming. They understood procession. They knew shit was going to hit the fan.

It's all happening at once. It's all happening right now. It's happening right now. And I, you know, I don't want to get too over the top. But this is a big deal. What's happening right now in the world. Everything that's happening. It's like everything's spinning backwards.

But as we talked about, you know, after the storm comes the light if you get through the storm. Right. So what you and I are doing right now and what Tim is doing and a lot of our other people that are of like mind and like goals, right? And when I say to people is, I want to make the world a better place. And I've been saying this for a long time, not just for you and me,

but our children and our grandchildren and the ones will never meet. We've had a wonderful upbringing. This is an amazing world. It's a beautiful world. And people are wonderful. You're a great dude, man. I'm having a ball.

Me too. But I want my kids to experience that. I want my grandkids. So we got to get the job done here. Right now it's... I agree. I worry about what my son's kids are going to live through. Yeah.

I mean, it's time for us to raise our swords. Yes, it is. And go to battle. I agree. And this is our sword right here. So here's what this one says. In Theban, due to increasing storms, the order thinks the scroll is not safe now.

We move to the mainland. Trees cut, stumps remain, moss covered. In Roman numbers, 1933. Now, Sherlock here initially thought increasing storms meant weather. I've been to where this place is, obviously. And I thought, gee, that take a lot of rain for the water to go up. And then all of a sudden, and Jerry Lubkin said, Scott, I think it's a metaphor. And I'm like, oh, shit.

Hello. Events leading up to World War II. Sure. The Nazis. So move from where? Where were these artifacts? On an island. Is it Oak Island?

No. No. In a lake in the Adirondacks. Okay. Way the hell. There to this day, no roads, no cabins, no houses, nothing. So in 1934 there was supposed to be a meeting of all the extant Templar orders that still existed in Europe and it was called the Council of

Fidusi and what they were going to do is figure out what they were going to do with the secrets that they were holding. Now Tim may have told you this but the Nazis were not just rounding up Jews and gays and people they didn't like, they were also rounding up Freemasons. Because in Freemasonry, as you go through, you're being vetted, and you might be invited to other orders

depending on certain things. I know that because it's happened to me. So if you round up all of the Freemasons, you're going to get Templars too. And they probably would be interrogated and tortured and give up information. Yeah, Hitler wanted all this stuff. He wanted all of it.

And you know that he was fascinated with the Templars. with the Grail, but he was interested in what they knew. One of those things was technology, like the Bell Project, anti-gravity. Deglaca, yes. He got that from the Templars. That's a tempter from the Templars.

It's a Templar secret. And that supposedly comes from Vamanas back in ancient times. Could be Atlantean technology. I would put my money there. Yeah. Definitely. So the council never happened. So a lot of those orders that survive,

fled to the United States and hid their stuff over here, including the Yeshua scroll. Now the next part says, Captain Marchan repackages and re-burys the scroll. And then he says some more stuff, I forget now. 1953. Okay. CLY, the 23rd.

So this isn't a family thing. This is whoever the document reproducer was is a tradition that was passed on. And the Cistercians and the Templars had scriptoriums in their monasteries. And they had brothers, all they did was copy and recopy manuscript. So this is not, this is expected. This isn't, wow, that's cool. This is expected. So on the back, though, is another.

invisible message. There is? Yeah. Where's your, where's your light? Oh, there it is. There is. Can you read it? I know it's hard to read. Captain Marshawn dies. 1903 exact. 73. Exactly. Exactly. Exact location of scroll lost to us. Yes. With the hooked X. With the hooked X. There's the hooked X again. So I read this. Oh, no. And I'm like, I'm not wasting my time on this. But I think what happened is if, A bad guy got a hold of this. And clearly they were worried because they moved the scroll, right? Maybe some Nazi spies were coming over.

Well, since they mentioned Captain Marchand, we'd like to have a talk with him. Oh, he's dead. Can't talk to him. Scroll's gone. And maybe we should talk to the, oh, we don't know where it is. It almost turned me off to go look for the scroll. So that's a red herring? It's a false flag.

It lost flag. Exactly. It's a red herring. And it almost worked on me. But I don't want to be an older man and go, I wish I would have gone. No. So we went. And McMaster's estate gave Don something else.

This map. That map. We'll put these on the screen for everybody. But it looks like two islands. Mm-hmm. So they moved them from these islands. Yep. to the mainland. Now, you see those four dots?

I do. Those are giant glacial boulders that are taller than this table. So you found this place. Been there. Okay. Yes. We took a float plane in because there's no roads there. And so we rented a float plane. We flew in and this guy brings fishermen in. It says scroll there. Is that buried? Is that the scroll? That's the scroll. So if you go back to the, that's a whole other thing. That has to do with the skull, but we digress. Okay.

So right here it says 320 degrees, 138 feet. And from this right boulder, it says 138 feet with what kind of looks like that. So we go there and I pull out my compass. And those four glacial boulders are sitting right on the edge of the shore. I stand in front of the one. I set my compass to 320 degrees, paced off 138 feet. Got the metal detector out.

Ding, ding, ding. You're kidding me. Yug it up. There's a little aluminum vessel for camping, cooking. Right. You're camping. Garbage.

But, you know, when you have your compass, you could be off by a couple degrees, and even at 138 feet, you could be off by tens of feet. Sure. So we just went in an arc, moved up a little bit, kind of on the top of this little hill. Ding, ding, ding, ding, got another hit. 1950s era Coke can.

Are you killing me? Moved over a little bit more. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. The first thing I pulled out was a 10-inch-long aluminum nail. And I'm like, this isn't trash. Mm-mm. Maybe somebody dropped it. Or maybe not.

ding, ding, ding, ding, it's still banging. And now we're right up against a stump that had been cut, covered with moss, and it was old because I could just tear it apart with my hands. So I started digging. Did you connect this with the message at this point? The moss covered stumps? Well, of course. Yeah.

Hell yeah. When were you up there? August. So this just happened. This just happened. So I'm digging. and my friends kept, you know, dingin like this. And all of a sudden, I reach in, literally going under the stump,

and I pull this out. And I'm standing here like this, and there was a metal can on top. And I'm like, no way, but my heart was saying, way. and it was filled with sand. Inside the jar? In the jar. Totally filled with sand. But I could see, I was moving it like this and I was, I could see little black things in there.

They look like coins. The top, when you took the tin top off or the metal top off, this was covered in wax, sealed with wax. Okay. Because there was paper inside. Sure. And so I took that aluminum nail. and I knocked off, and then I poured the sand and what I thought were coins

and this long scroll, which was wrapped in this beautiful orange designer placemat that had a little design on it and a signature. We tracked it down. It was a designer napkin made by an artist in the East Coast that did beautiful work. We found that exact same placemat was made between 1950 and 1957, 1953.

Right. This prune juice jar was made by a company that started making these in the 1940s. That works. The paper we're about to show you was 1880s from Warsaw, Wisconsin. everything fit. So we unwrap the paper. Carefully. And the first thing we get is this.

Now these are copies. Yeah. Now this is, wow, this is Italian. Yeah. That was the first thing we saw. So I can translate this. And it says, it says the power.

The power of the glorious God is within us and with other people. Yes. Basically what it's saying is that the power of God is within all of us and surround you and other people. The way I look at that, you know, you go to a concert and you're vibing.

Yeah, the energy. And the energy. Or you have a really good conversation with somebody that you just hit it off with, right? That's that energy. that they're talking about it. Yeah, that's a real thing. It's a real thing.

And everybody can identify when they have a magic moment with other people, right? This makes you think of narcissism as well. Exactly. The power of God is within you. So what's below there? This is some type of formula?

Yeah. I don't recognize it. I don't recognize it either, but other people do and basically it has to do with quantum physics. What? Do you know more about that?

Yeah, but I think we want to get to the best part. Yeah, we do. This is a whole other deal. Yeah. This collective is crazy. So then we opened it up and we got six pages. Well, three pages with stuff on each side. These came out of the green jar?

Yeah. Are these actual size? Actual size. So just great. of characters and numbers. I think you said this is Crypto Continua, meaning just one long line of text. There's some areas that give us a little bit of help,

but it's basically scripto continuum. So the cryptography nerds will know what that is, and the cipher phrase would be a visionary. Cipher. I just, I want you to hold this piece right here. Okay? Yep. Because after we found this,

of course, the first thing we do is drive right down to Don. Don had gotten in a car accident at the end of May and broke his shoulder and he was messed up. He couldn't go with us. So the first thing I did was I made copies of this and I gave it to him and then we went to the hotel and we started deciphering. We didn't leave the hotel for two days. How did you know how to decipher this? It took. It took time. I bet. Okay. This is on the last will and testament. Yeah. Isn't that weird? That's weird. I don't know what that is, but that's what it says. says. Everything means something to me. Yes. Well, as it should. Okay. So the first eight lines, there's that number again. How many columns are there? Six, nine, twelve, fifteen, seventeen. Yeah. So here's what that, and this is just one-to-one letter substitution. This one was easy. I did this one in 45 minutes. This is what it says. The 325-year compilation of old and new writings is not the infallible word of God, but the fallible compilation of the Roman Catholic Church to support their doctrine.

Oh, my goodness. That is the most succinct and perfect way to sum up the Council of Nicaa. Yeah, it is. It's beautiful. That's, we got that. right away. And so you know what we did then? What? Tighten the seat belts. Yeah, that's heavy. That's heavy. The next part, which is six lines of strange characters. Yes. Okay. That alphabet we've seen before, but this was slightly modified. Same characters with additions, but we recognize that we

were able to figure it out. Says this, translated from the original Aramaic, by brother Simon for the the poor knights of Christ. The Templars. That's what they used to be called before they were called the Templars. Now, I got all hung up on the, the poor nights of Christ. The two the, what the hell's the, the? Right. What is that?

Well, guess who figured it out? Janet, probably. Don. Usually it's the goddess, right? It usually is. It was Don. He goes, it's a tell. And then I went, oh my God.

The first the is telling you the rest is the cipher. Holy shit. The four knights of Christ is the cipher phrase. Hollywood's going to want a word with you. Guess how many letters are in that cipher phrase? How many? How many bones in your skull again? What did we say?

20. 22. two. None of this is coincidence. No, it's not. The next part, which is in numbers. Right. Encrypted by brother lionetus for the order of the grail 1897. So let me tell you one thing we did not talk about on the Kensington Roonstone. Remember I talked about the codes. I told you about the dating code. Yes. I didn't tell you about the Grail code. No. The first four letters, remember I did that microscopic work and I put them in the folder? Yes, the unknown mystery ruins or...

The first thing was the number eight. The very next thing is the word G in Gotlander. And there's an extra dot in the upper right arm that doesn't belong there. Went in the folder. The next letter singled out was the word, was the letter R. had a dot right through the lower right leg, you can't miss it. Doesn't belong there. Put it in the folder. The next thing was a hooked X that had another hook. Normally the hooked X has a little hook in the upper right arm. Yes. This one had a hook on the lower left leg. Put it in the folder. By the way, the hooked X is being used on the Kensington Roonstone for the letter A. And it looks remarkably like the Hebrew, a straight-line stone-mason's version of the Hebrew olive.

The letter A. Which is the first letter in the Hebrew alphabet. It's being used for the letter A within the Kensington inscription. So we've got G-R-A in the folder. Remember that funny L? Oh, no. You're kidding me. Well, there's another one.

Okay. That has the one I talked about, which is the dating code in S-Clar, S-Claar, Sinclair. Yep. That goes all the way across on both of the vertical lines. But there's another one just before that, an L that has a little mark on one side. Put that in the folder. What do we have?

G-R-A-L. Which in medieval old Swedish is grail. That grail. Could this be the same order? It has to be. It's too many things line up. I'm liking it. And you know what?

I'm going with it. I think you have to. Everything just lines up. This is too much. Okay. Now we're going to get into the meet and then we're going to get to the finale. So the rest of this is numbers that go on for that page, the next page on the other side. Right.

This page and that page all the way to here. Why do we have spaces here? or do those mean something? Well, just in the beginning. Right. And I think maybe they were trying to help. I don't know. Okay.

But it goes all the way to hear. Okay. But I don't want you to see this yet. Okay. And I'm just going to read it. MF. MF. That's what it says.

MF. Equals MG. Okay. You can do it. MF equals MG. It's an acronym. male female close

my father my father my my godess oh my god my god my father my god or goddess we you know what why why couldn't it be the goddess

we assumed see this what you got to be careful of is assuming you just said goddess but we said my god let's see okay let's keep going so mf my father equals m g so it's either my god or my goddess father genesis chapter one let us make man in our own image genesis chapter one plus three five sixteen let us make man in our image in the image of god made he him

to make more he needed a female so eve they made kane and abel kane slew able and m f put his mark on him. I-H-N. What's I-H-N? In his name? In his name, right. That's what we think. And banished him to nod, so none there would kill him.

But if Adam Eve Kane are the only people who is in Nod. Right. Hello? How can they be the first people? Right. they got banished to a city that's got people. Know this. Then they were not the first people, but the first Jews.

Chapter 6.5.2. Chapter 6.5.2. It says it twice. I don't know why. And the sons of M.F. saw the daughters of men and found them pleasing in their sight and came and knew them. And they settled in the land of Nod, where came. was sent so their children enjoyed life for its pleasures both male-female male-male and female-female oh my this does not procreate or honor mf so he destroyed them all but flood nor fire succeeded thus the sons and daughters of natural man filled the earth

yet nowhere did they mate with a Jew till Lisbeth. So let's back up. I take this as homosexuality is okay. That's what I read. I've always thought that. Not in my goddamn business. What happens? Same.

People's bedrooms. That's right. But this is a problem. Well, or is it? It's not for me, but it's a problem for the church. Well, they might have to rethink that. Good luck with that. Yeah.

Well, it gets better. Till Elizabeth, who I think is referring to the mother of John, the Baptist. Yep. This does not procreate, the sons and daughters, natural man filled the earth. Nowhere did they mate with a Jew till Elizabeth. Who's they? Who's they? Seeing it work in six weeks showing signs of being pregnant.

Right. The angel Anton came and knew my mother. What's happening here? What is going on here? You tell me. You tell me. No, you tell me. The angel Anton.

Knew my mother. Who's talking? Holy shit. Is this an autobiography? Is this Yeshua's autobiography in the first person? Well, if you're not sure now, you're going to be. Oh, okay. I watch my language.

No. You can say whatever you want. It's your show. But Jan and I chose MF. Then know this. Adam and Eve could read or write. Thus, the tree of life was not a tree, but a book that spoke. The fruit chapters numbered one, two, three, et cetera.

So M.F looked like man except for intelligence, hence the book, to store it all. M.F. and his wife, Asherah, called Wisdom, who is referred to as Wisdom in the Book of the Wars of the Lord, who calls down the Silver Beast. Her name was Wisdom. She's right here again. Rebuked his brother for having led Eve to open the book and send him out of earth to Arcturus. To Arcturus, the star. What is Yeshua on about? I'm just saying, man. I'm not saying. I'm just saying.

Okay. This is what it says. And I can say this. We got this right. This isn't some screw up. And when this is published, and I'm going to publish this, you can decipher it for yourself. If you need help, I'll help you.

It's not easy. It's freaking hard. But this is what it says. But he returns when called for many follow him here. What of the serpent? Natural female mated with my uncle and got the creature with legs that crawled from the waters. And over time came to be natural man, strong and large of stature, worshipping its ancestor. This is Jesus talking about evolution.

A fork in the road became the snake. Another natural man and woman. So if you follow me, whether you turn right or left, you will hear a voice behind you saying, this is the way walk in it. That's what it says. There's a lot to unpack there. There is.

And I don't think we're going to do all that today. No. But I want you to look at something. Yeah. This is the end right here. Okay. See the numbers? Yes.

There's something in English right here, the last line. What does it say? As I am allowed to say. Boom. Nobody gets it that fast. Good job. Okay. Is that Yeshua saying that?

And who would not permit him to say? Okay. Well, we'll answer that question right now. Another notch. Is it going to get real now, brother? So this is the message. Okay. So now look at that page.

Yep. And turn it a long way. Yep. Now, you see these letters? I do. How many of these are on that page? How many letters? No, rows of letters or lines of letters.

Six. No, no. This is one. two, three, four, six. Six. Okay. Now flip it over and count the lines. Six plus. Six plus. Just go right down. 17. Plus six. No, it's 22. I didn't count the blank line. No, you don't count the blank line. It's 22. 22. Okay. So remember the cipher phrase? Yeah. Okay. So what you do is this. You set up a grid system. which I did. I did this part.

And you just put the power of God, or the poor knights of Christ, the power of God is within you as another one from other messages. The poor knights of Christ. Then what you do is you start with the letter A. No A in that. No B in that. C, Christ. You take this first row of letters right here.

Yep. You go to the C and you put it this way. These letters. that are horizontal, you put this way. Then you go to D, and you go to E, the, and you pull the next line. You put that under the E, the first D. The next line, if there's a, follow me,

you go all the way through the alphabet. It's yes, a shift cipher. And then all 22 lines fill in, and then you read it this way. That's how you do it. This is what that says. I'm not entirely human. Oh, my goodness.

That's what that says. I'm not entirely human. Oh, my goodness. Well, didn't he kind of allude to that before? Yeah, he did. Haven't we been kind of prepped on this with these freaking messages for the last several years? Yeah.

He's from Octurus. I'm not saying. You're just reading the message. I'm just reading the message. I not entirely human. A rupture of the small intestines was, not enough to kill me. I slowed my breath and was declared dead. My cousin of my father's side had me rest in the family tomb. Boom! Until Easter, I guess. Talpiat. Topiat, the family tomb.

Oh. And is the rupture of the intestine, the spear of destiny? Got to be. On the cross. And, you know, it's right there. It's right there. The intestines come way up. So he didn't die in the cross, he slowed his breath. Remember, he's not entirely human. That's what he said. I'm not saying. He said it. I'm not going to argue with him. Now that I know he's alien,

I'm not for sure not argue with him. My cousin of my father's, Earth father's side had me rest in the Earth's fathers. So, okay. Had me rest in the family, in his family, tomb i healed myself and my wife came and freed me mary magdalen who was there she was there when he leaves the tomb at the resurrect yeah we traveled to the north and preached a joint religion of male and female you know where the north

is where scotland that's where they preached went to france first and then to scotland beyond hadrian's wall to the Isle of Iona. And there are local legends. All kinds of them. Talking about Jesus. I've been there. Yeah. We bore two children,

Judah and Sarah. We know their names. Returned to Jerusalem. And finally, I ascended to my father. My body returned to my cousin's family tomb. I was doing a happy dance when I read that. I know. My spirit will return at the end of the six day, June 6, by the new counting,

2,99 at 6 p.m. So said my father, but beware 6,6.26 at 6 p.m. This June? He... I'm just reading it. That's my interpretation. Well, Council of Nicaea would have rearranged the calendar by now, by when this was written, yes?

So he would know those dates. Would he? 6-6, June 6th of this year. Now you know why I said to you earlier. There's an urgency here. Yeah. And the other year is that Hebrew year? By the new counting, I interpret that to be the renumbering.

900 years from now. Okay. 2,999 at 6 p.m. Also, be not fooled by the false prophet, spelled P.R.O. F-I-T. We checked it. And his clone, who will rise on the third day after his, his death. Clone?

Clone. Shouldn't know what that word even is. I know we're just reading it. Know this. In the beginning was the word and that word was God. There was none before him. There was none after him.

The word is eternal. And that concludes the scroll. That's it. What do you think this means for us? I think it's talking about right now. and I think 6-6-26 is right now. The question is, look, I mean, this is incredible, okay? Because what's happening?

It's like this backwards spinning is spinning faster and faster every day, literally every day. And what is the date? It's almost March 1st, March, April, May, June. That's a little over three months from now. and what does he think is going to happen I can't he can't at least says is beware but beware but you can't help but connect that to 666 even well here's something that's interesting

what's 6 plus 6 p.m. 18 plus 6 back to 24 again plus 2 26 divide by 2 then 13 again to the sacred geometry she shows up in this as well. I mean, I'm at a loss.

AJ, I mean, I'm just blown away by this, and I just think this is why I want to get this out. So if this is real, his descendants walk among us now? Remember when I told you I was contacted about disclosure? Yeah. Just in a nutshell, this guy called me and told me that he was with the government and with the district. DoD with NAC, the National Air and Space Investigative Center.

Well, that intelligence center. Intelligence center. Is that right? Their logo is a sphinx with a star. I think that's right, yeah. This is about six, seven, eight years ago. Anyway, he said, and I said, why you call on me? And he said, well, you know, you have a platform and you seem to be credible and, you know,

blah, blah, blah. And I said, well, how do I know you are? who you say you are. So we went through that process and he actually came and stayed with us three times. And then once he convinced me that he was who he said he was, at least in my mind, then I was given materials to read and online stuff and talking points to say. Yeah, we went through and came up with talking points. And but as this was happening, there was other stuff happening, like the 20th anniversary of working at the Pentagon after 9-11. And the guy that I worked with who was in charge of the whole thing, Alan Killsheimer,

was having a 20-year gathering of everybody that worked at the Pentagon. And I was invited and I was getting ready to go. And as we got closer and closer, our friend who went by the name of Holden, which I knew was not his real name, and that's fine. I didn't really care. He and I were getting to know each other, and we would talk about things, and he told me about his personal life,

like his being recruited out, basically right out of high school, because he was a smart guy. And he started off with the government doing boots on the ground stuff, going after human traffickers, is what he told me. and then when he was about 30 as I recall he said that he was in one mission and they were going after a bunch of kids and one of the guys that was holding them had a bomb and blew himself up and he was on the other side of the wall and he got hurt bad to the point where he could no longer do boots on the ground stuff that obviously he was very proud of and he enjoyed so they gave him a desk job and this

This was his desk job. He had demons and it was quite obvious. And actually he and Jerry got into it one time. We had Jerry over for a dinner one time and it got ugly. What happened? Well what he was doing was he was telling me that what I saw at the Pentagon and my close friends that were the first guy in the building, a structural engineer that was one of my best customers and one of my best friends.

Leo Titus, who went in the building before the search and rescue and the dogs went in to make sure the building was safe so they wouldn't get killed. Right. And I have all of his photos. And he tried to tell me it wasn't what it was. And he fucking pissed me off. And this is three weeks before the anniversary. Well, what was he saying it was and what wasn't? Well, you were saying it was a missile when there are people that.

are no longer with us. There were bodies that were found blown out of the building. Pictures that Leo took. He was there for seven days. Once he was, he was there 40 minutes after the impact. We talked about it when we got together at the reunion. So I almost punched him out. Asked Janet, she'll tell you what happened.

So we had a falling out. He was trying to manipulate me. Yes, he was. and I said, fuck you. Good for you. Because I don't trust this disclosure narrative that's being pushed on us now. Well, and that, the last time I talked to him was probably three years ago. So this went on for about four years.

But that, you know, that didn't turn me off to the ET thing. And then all of a sudden, rate as he's going out the door, this comes in the door. This is wild. Yeah. This has been my journey. This has been our journey. And yeah, I mean, you know, the thing is, is that I don't, you know, there have been days when, you know, I'll talk to Janet and close friends and say, the hell's going on, you know, what is, why me? And I like to think that part of it is because I work my ass off, I never quit.

and I want to solve the mystery. Absolutely. And get to the body, because that's what I do. I never thought it would go here. No, this is incredible. Is there anything that we didn't cover today that you want to get into?

I don't know. There's a lot more, but I think it's time for a beer. How about you? I agree. So the book is, The Greatest Tale Never Told? Greatest Templar Tale Never Told.

the Sinclair Weems journals. And I just want to say, it's not one of my magic writing that people are buying this book. It's the journals. They speak for themselves. And when you read it, I mean, the letters I've gotten back from people, they blow through it in like two days. They said, I couldn't put it down. This is an amazing story. And the truth of the matter is what all of this is really about at the end of the day is the true founding of this country.

and as a freemason and as a knights templar who knows the truth to see what's happening today beyond disgust me and here we are 250 years we're supposed to be celebrating this but we got that that's another reason why I'm working my ass off yeah we got to get through that yeah are you on the squad come on I've been on And then one day we're going to do it like this. One day, the grip. Scott Walter, thank you so much for coming in. Thank you for having me.

Okay, that's a lot to process. Scott Walter took us on a journey that started with concrete forensics and ended with ancient alien encounters. So let me break down what we can actually verify here. Scott's credentials are solid. Licensed professional geologist. He runs a successful materials forensic laboratory. He worked on the Pentagon after,

9-11, and this is all documented. The Las Vegas murder case he described, that happened. Tom Hannahan was a real Las Vegas homicide detective, and Scott's concrete dating techniques have been used in multiple forensic investigations. As for the big claims, the Kensington Roonstone has been controversial since 1898. Scott's geological weathering analysis published in 2000 said the way minerals degrade is proof of age. But Swedish archaeologists and runologists at Uppsala University,

Disputed these findings in 2004, the academic consensus remains that it's a 19th century creation, but it's hard to deny all the connections that Scott talked about. The Talpia tomb is real. It was discovered in 1980 in Jerusalem. It contains ossaries with names, including Jesus, Mary, and James, and others. And DNA testing was conducted by Cardi Matheson at Lakehead University in 2007. But, as critics note, there's no baseline Jesus DNA to compare against, So it could be him, but we don't know.

Most biblical archaeologists reject any connection to the historical Jesus. Now, here's what I keep coming back to, though. Scott's progression is fascinating. Respected scientists finds anomalous evidence, gets pushed back from academia, digs deeper, finds more anomalous evidence, and keeps following it where it leads. Now, whether you believe his conclusions or not, the man is following the data as he sees it, from concrete to runes to Templars to alien content. If this is a hoax, it's the greatest hoax ever conceived.

There are so many details to keep track of, and somehow all the pieces line up. But if this is not a hoax, then we're missing something fundamental about the history of the human race. Now, if you want to dig deeper into some of these topics, I covered Knights Templar and their quest for Atlantis. I covered the Ark of the Covenant Technology. I also have an episode about the Megalithic Yard that Scott mentioned. There's links below. Scott Walter, forensic geologist turned a cosmic historian. His new book is The Greatest Templar Tale Never Told, and honestly, whether it's fact or fiction, oh, it's a good story.

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