The Why Files: Operation Podcast - 635: Basement #007: Hugh Newman | Giant Skeletons, Sumerian Myths, and Megaliths

Episode Date: March 16, 2026

Hugh Newman is an author, explorer, and ancient mysteries researcher who has spent over two decades investigating megalithic sites around the world.He is the founder of the Megalithomania Conference, now in its 20th year, which brings together academics, archaeologists, and independent researchers to examine ancient sites from multiple disciplines.He co-authored the book Gobekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe: The World's First Megaliths and has written extensively on giants, earth grids, and ancient metrology.Hugh has conducted fieldwork at sites across Turkey, Egypt, Malta, Peru, and Britain, and regularly leads research tours to locations most people never get access to.He appears on Gaia's Ancient Civilizations series and runs the Megalithomania YouTube channel, where he documents new discoveries as they happen.HUGH NEWMAN SOURCES & LINKSWebsite: www.megalithomania.co.ukYoutube: www.youtube.com/MegalithomaniaUK Patreon: www.patreon.com/megalithomania Facebook: www.facebook.com/MegalithomaniaOfficial/ Instagram: megalithomania1, hughnewman1X: https://x.com/MEGALITHOMANIAMerchandise: https://megalithomania.dashery.comTours/Travel: www.megalithomania.co.uk/tours.html

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Today I'm talking with Hugh Newman. He's an author, explorer, and the founder of the Megalithomania conference, which just hit its 20th year. And Hugh doesn't sit behind a desk and theorize. He goes out to these sites and gets his hands dirty. He co-discovered a winter solstice alignment at Karan-Tepae, one of the oldest engineered sites on Earth. We're talking 11,400 years old.

And what he's finding there pushes back the timeline on everything we thought we knew about early civilization. Yeah, it pushes back the timeline again. At this point, they should just leave a blank page and say, we'll get back to you. In this conversation, we get into Gobeckli-Tepe, Underground Cities, standardized units of measure that shouldn't exist yet, and a sneaky visit to some caves under the Giza Plateau that are now bricked up forever. Hugh also made a case that the Sphinx might not be a lion.

It might be a leopard, and he's got the evidence to back it up. Oh, we also get into everyone's favorite subject, Giants. Yeah, everyone except the Smithsonian. That's true, and we get into that. This one covers a lot of ground. And honestly, the math alone is worth the ride. Yes, math. Let's go down to the basement.

You welcome to the basement. Thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. How do you go to creating the conference, which is, it's still running, right? Yeah, for sure. Actually, this is our 20th anniversary. Oh, my goodness. You know, so we like, said, having a bit of a celebration this year. So this is the Mega Lithamania Conference.

So this is what we've been doing since May 2006. I founded this with John Martineau, who's also my publisher with the Wooden Books and Gareth Mills. I pretty much run it myself with my own team now. And it was really set up. And it's quite intriguing when you look at what's going on online nowadays. It was set up as a forum, like a public forum, to have the alternative historical information and researchers

with the academics all on the same stage, but in a kind, in a very kind way. Right. Connecting with each other. Not a debunking debate. No, no, no. It was just a respectful way. So we could have a multidisciplinary look at megaliths, ancient sites, the ancient mysteries.

And have it as an open forum. So we now have top archaeologists and top historians and anthropologists coming along next to people who are talking about what they deem as fringe or outrageous stuff. And it's actually quite fun. And so they've actually. A lot of the academics know each other. So one or two of them came along and they're such a good time. They actually recommended it. So it's easy to get to really cool academics to come along.

So like, how was that? Was he cool? And it's like, no, it's great. No, no. And there's no, we don't, it's not like online. You know, the whole Flint Dibble, Graham Hancock thing. There's all this big, nasty kind of back and forth. And we just don't have that.

We're very nice, very polite, very respectful. And it works brilliantly. And we've stuck to that focus every year for the last 12. many years. I'm glad you said multi-discipline, because what I like about your research is you bring in acoustic engineers, electromagnetic research, all that stuff. I think that's missing in archaeology. I think you're right. Yeah, this is one of the things that kind of bothers me a little bit and a lot of other researchers is that archaeologists do brilliant work. Don't get me wrong. You know, they are very well trained in, you know, preserving, digging up,

analyzing these sites, dating it and everything else. But when it comes to things like astronomy, acoustics or mythology or symbolism, even subtle energies and things like this. It's not something they're interested in or trained in. And I think this is where the problem lies in interpreting these sites and having a voice about these sites. Because you need to have this multidisciplinary look at them. Because these people back then, they're the same brain capacity as us. They may have been smarter than us. Sure.

We don't know. And so they were obviously into lots of interesting things. I mean, you just look at the symbolism at sites like Quebec Leitepe. And the abstract art and creation of these sites is insane. It's just, wow. It's like these guys were just like master artists as well as being master builders. And so I think you really need to approach it from all these different angles. I'm not saying I'm a specialist in all these different things.

But when you, you know, you're putting on a conference, it's great. You can invite people to come and you can actually share research. Do you mind looking at this? I want you to check this out. you know, and you could present it and they can, oh, it's interesting. I didn't realize, you know, that astronomical alignment was there. That fits in with what I'm doing. And so I think, yeah, I think it's really important.

But I think archaeology nowadays, as you know, you know, with other guests you've had on this show, you need to approach it from all these different angles. You really has to be done. Why do you think there is gatekeeping? I think it's just part of the paradigm. I think it's part of the nature of any discipline like that. They want to keep it within what they're doing. But one of the things I have learned, and this is a friend of mine actually comes to our conference.

She is actually in her 20s, and she's now doing a proper archaeology degree, doing a proper course about it. And there's actually a thing that she told me we were having lunch after an event we were doing in Avebury Stone Circle of all places, because there's a pub in the middle of Avebury Stone Circle. And she was telling me now they actually are open and they want information from, alternative people because a lot of the discoveries being made and this has happened a lot over the last decade or more than you know several decades a lot of discoveries are being made by non-academics non-archologists and so how do you address that in archaeology when the archaeologists are supposed to be the only ones making the discoveries and talking about them and she said now there's

an acceptance within that and so that's just now though that's new that's now happening now it's not It's not going to probably help us with what we're doing at Quebec Depe and Carahan Tepe because the archaeologists have their own agenda. They want their own kind of, they want to be the main voice on it. But now things appear to be changing, at least in England, at least this one person I spoke to about it. I just speaking of gatekeeping, this reminds me, I just covered Andrew Collins and Tomb of the Birds.

Is it true that you were down in that cave system? Yes. Were you not supposed to be? Not really. Was this where you found a gate open? What's that story? Okay, let me tell you this story. It's one of the stories we're going to get into.

We've got a few, I'm sure. So this was back in, I think, November, must be the year before last. And obviously, Andrew had discovered the Tomb of the Birds and also what became known as Collins Caves. Zahiawas named it. Wasn't he banned for a while? Kind of, yes. Okay. Yeah, but they're not that strict with that kind of thing.

And this was back in 2008 when he first discovered it. So we went, you know, we were in Egypt doing a tool there. We were kind of with a group had finished. Me and Andrew were hanging about for a couple of days. And we just thought, you know what, let's go and take a walk over there. You know, the problem is I was wearing my shorts and like kind of, you know, tennis shoes or whatever I was wearing at the time. Could it be flip-flops. And we thought we'd go and have a quick look.

And there was no lock on the gate. And we're like, oh, oh, this is interesting. So we thought, I would just pop in and take a look, you know, and I was not prepared. Luckily I had my flashlight and my camera with me. You didn't deliberate for one minute should we go in? You just said, we were deliberating a lot because you can get, you know, you can get serious trouble for that now. And so, yeah, we got in.

And at the front part of it, the tomb of the birds area, is actually kind of carved out. There's lots of little chambers. But then at the back, there's like a kind of hole in the wall. And you walk through there and there's this huge semi-created chamber, partly carved out. And then it leads through. for about a quarter of a mile through these caves. And it's the most spooky, mind-blowing place

I've ever been in in my life, I think. It really kind of got me. And Andrew had been in there since 2008, so he was overjoyed. Sure. So we did all that. We filmed it. We got out.

No one was around. No one saw us, thank God. And then now they bricked it up. Literally the last few weeks. We had reports. Andrew was over there. Excuse me. Andrew was over there.

and actually found it being bricked up, so you can't actually go back in there now. But the reason I found that's so interesting because a few months later in March of last year, they discovered potentially all this stuff under the Pagiza Plateau, which interestingly, the Tomb of the Birds and Collins Caves, or NC2 it's called, leads to it. It's almost in that direction towards the central pyramid.

Is this the research from the Italian group? Yeah. So it kind of correlates with what you found. It does, weirdly, yeah. And this is what's so interesting. I mean, and there's a lot more going on under the Giza Plateau. I mean, it's known about, you know, there's a lot of stuff known about under the Giza Plateau. It's not just, you know, what the Italians have discovered.

There's the Osiris shaft. There's chambers underneath the Valley Temple and the Sphinx Temple that Robert Temple have been looking at. There's a whole kind of sphinx area, obviously, under the poor of the Sphinx. That's right. And so it was just to get under there and have this experience of going in to these caves. really blew my mind. It really got me. And now no one's ever going to be able to go in there again.

It's a shame. It is a shame. If you had to guess and date those caves. Well, the thing is, I mean, the front part of it, it's all carved out. This is like a created kind of tomb area. Yep. But then the back part is mostly natural.

And so I don't even, I think very few people, even in ancient times, knew about that. I think that was like a very secret. This is what Andrew writes about. It's a very secret, maybe an initiatory area. where people go into some initiations or rights of passage and things like this. We really don't know. And so, you know, there's something, you know, something odd going on there.

And the fact that they bricked it up. The Bell Air Direct app includes crash assist, which detects an accident the moment it happens, and even offers you emergency assistance at the tap of a button. Okay, but what if I don't have an accident? Well, just keep on, keeping on. Bell Air Direct, insurance, simplified. Conditions apply. I suggest they don't want anyone else going in.

It is a safety issue as well. It's pretty dangerous because right at the end, you have to kind of, if you want to go any further, you have to kind of go down this kind of almost, it's called the tube. And I can't fit down there. Andrew couldn't have fit down there. But a small person could probably squeeze down there.

You might be able to get in there next time. Too claustraful, I can't do it. And then that leads further along. Does this connect all the way to coprace? Well, it's in that direction. That's interesting. Yeah, and some scans, there was actually some similar SR-type scans done

back in 2008. And it seems to indicate that it does lead towards CAFRA's pyramid. And so it could be connected with that discovery that was made there. Has anyone done GPR in that area to confirm? There has been some done. Yeah. I think more needs to be done a lot more

because there needs to be verification of what was going on there. Because we have, you know, the SARS scan technology. It's very controversial. This is Felipe Biondi, Armando May, and other team members. and they found potentially outrageous depths of these kind of cylindrical chambers going down towards these giant square chambers and other features. But someone needs to go on that in an official capacity with GPR technology and just go round the geyser planet just to verify what they've discovered

because they've had other people using the similar technology and finding the same things as them as well. That's come out recently. I think Tomb of the Birds came up because I was studying the Hawara Labyrinth. Yeah. And it's once again, I don't know why we're not prioritizing exploring these places. They seem to be the most important discoveries on Earth. Yeah, I think with Egypt, there's like there's so many sites.

You can just, you know, it's overwhelming when you go that I can't, it's hard to cope with. And it's so magnificent, all of them pretty much. Yeah. So I can understand why they're kind of hesitant. Also, there's a lot of political stuff. there's a lot of kind of issues with permissions it's all very cut there's lots of bureaucracy but when it comes to getting under the geese platter there's there's a lot of water there you can't go down that far anywhere be a huge amount of pumping to get it out hawara on the other hand

is interesting but it's all collapsed i mean you can see like the shape of some of the labyrinth when you go there yeah it's all collapsed it's all so much sand on top of it and flooded i think flooded as well because you've got you got the water level there as well you've got you've got canals that have been carved right through it. And so just to get down there, again, it's a huge pumping situation, a huge amount of money and effort. But there are teams now, independent teams looking at that, connected with the Sarscan people, a gentleman called Trevor Grasse's being focused on that as well. And so, you know, let's see what happens. Let's see what happens. Because I'm sure it kind of has to be done. That's the great thing about the internet nowadays, because you can, like,

you put pressure, you know, into like, you know, what should be looked at. Partly what happened at Quebec Leitepe, which we're going to get into, you know, and so that, So that's another place that, you know, that needs to be, you know, it feels like, why are people going so slow? Why are people kind of digging down, getting on with it? But there's always reasons why they can't do everything immediately. Well, before we go to Turkey, let's speculate for just a second. Did the Egyptians build the pyramids or did they find those? That's a good question.

That's one of the big unknowns. I mean, you look at the technology to create that. It's outrageous. I mean, I personally think the people who built Quebec Leitepe, they were somehow connected with the people who built the pyramids because Quebec Leitepe's got the same kind of quality, the abstract construction, absolutely superb quality of stoneworking. And I think there's some connection there because they found connections between these two areas

going back to the time of Quebec Leitepe. Now whether they were built official dates of what, two and a half thousand, two thousand six hundred BC, that's a whole other question. Because you've got people like Professor Robert Temple. He's done some surface luminescence dating on some of the stones or some of the pyramids on the Giza Plateau. And actually found dates of at least a few hundred years earlier. So then that discounts those pharaohs who are credited with doing it.

So then that raises more questions, even if it's just a few hundred years that disputes the whole thing. But I think they could be much older. I think actually the underground areas are much older. And the pyramids may be added slightly later, you know, towards the official date. So that's just my opinion. More research, obviously, has been done out there. So where do you stand, like, on Robert Schock's research on the Sphinx and John Anthony West? Yeah, I think that's really interesting.

Yeah, yeah. The water erosion around the kind of channels around the kind of sphinx pit, which is really, really interesting, actually. It looks like water to me. It does. It does. And I think that he was pushing for dates, you know, going. back to the time of Quebecli-Tepa, like 11, 12,000 years ago at some point.

Younger Dryas flood. Yeah, and there's more, but it was much more lush back then, a whole area. And so you can imagine there was a lot more water. And also there were channels like kind of going all the way up to each of the pyramids anyway. Right. There's water right there. Right there. Right next to it. So I think it's quite plausible that it's that old.

And I think, again, I think if anything on the Giesa plateau connects with Gebeckle-Tepa, it's probably the Sphinx and what was going on underground as well. Have I heard you speculate that the Sphinx is maybe a leopard and not a lion? That's something I have speculated about. Why would you think that? That's just very interesting. I haven't heard that before. Yeah, because, okay, you've got, there's a few things.

I mean, this goes back to Carahan-Tepa, okay, because, which is 11,400 years old, Southeast Turkey, it's one of the sister sites to Quebecly Tepe. There's a lot of leopard symbolism there. there's also and it's the same era potentially as the Sphinx if we're looking at these old dates because I know Graham Hancock and others

and Shock and John Anthony West they were saying that the Sphinx faces the rising of the Equinox and Leo in 10,500 BC because that's what would rise on the equinox as part of the whole processional

kind of cycle and I thought that was really intriguing because at Carajan Tepe have leopard symbolism everywhere, not lion leopard. You get it in Quebec Leiteite, you get it all the sites. It's very strong symbol found there. And when we found our winter solstice alignment, we also believe we've possibly found an equinox alignment as well

because the head that we've been researching that has the light get on the head and illuminate it on the solstice, of the winter solstice. Actually faces east looking towards the rising of the equinox and Leo. So we speculate that it could be a leopard to the people of Tastepa or the Karahana-Tepa, Quebec-Tepae people. Also, if you go to Egypt, you look at the old gods of Egypt, like Thoth or Tahiti.

Yep. His consort or wife, Seshatt, she was, you know, an architect. She was supposed to be an architect. She was also into metrology measurements and geometry, things like this. And she was always wearing a leopard skin outfit. She was the leopard lady almost. I didn't know that. Yeah.

So you have this leopard connection with ancient Egypt. And possibly then, you know, and it was quite strong back then. I mean, there's other leopard symbolism and lion symbolism back then, obviously. But so it could be, why does it have to be a lion? Why can't it be a leopard? Right. It could be anubis dog. This is what Robert Temple suggests.

So I think there's, it's possible. But again, we've got no clear evidence of that. It's just speculation at the moment because it's somehow, it's got. this makes it connect with Quebecli Tepe and Kerouhanatepe. So at Gobeckley, can you just paint the picture for us? 1963 discovery, they think it's gravestones, and then 1994 with Klaus Schmidt. And what was that like? Yeah, that's, yeah, because so back in the 60s, we have Peter Benedict,

and there was a team of archaeologists doing kind of surveys sort of scans walking around the landscape. And they found Gebeckley-Tepe. That's what's so strange. They found some stones lying around. They thought they were kind of gravestones, Islamic gravestones or Byzantine kind of ruins. Didn't think anything of it. It wasn't until Klaus Schmidt, German archaeologist, who was doing work at a site called Nivali Churi.

And also another cycle Gertu Tepe, I think, as well, and a couple of other places. And he noticed, because of his research at Navali Choiri, which we can get into, this is a site I want to talk about. Sure. They found, he found the same. symbolism was the same. So this is probably the same era. But when he looked at the hill, he could see it was a huge artificial hill, you know, like a male or a tepe or a hoyuk, you call it in other parts of Turkey, and realized there was something significant going on there. And the family who owned the site found these two statues there and actually presented them

to the museum. One of them was this very fertility. There's a guy with the erect phallus, and they were kind of embarrassed by it, you know, they gave it to the museum. The museum wouldn't take it. there's all this debate about it. There was another sort of top of a tea pillar, kind of broken with a kind of lizard coming off it in 3D relief. And when he saw those in the museum, he said, where did these come from? Found out where they came from.

Got to the site in 1994 and eventually thought, right, something going on it. We need to kind of get into this. And this is when they started the excavation, I think, 1995. Why did he not publish or go public with that for a few years? Yeah, it didn't come out to the year 2000. Right.

I don't know. That I don't know. I think in archaeological circles, it was being talked about. But I think they just wanted to make sure what they got was valid. It took a lot of work to get even down to the first layers because it's so heavily buried. That's the thing about these sites. They're buried, properly buried. That's why they're so well preserved.

Right. Why has only a small percentage of a Quebecly been excavated all this time? That's another good point. I mean, when it comes to Quebec Leitepe, it's a huge site, We're talking multi-acre site. It's massive. And so it's very deep. It's buried.

So there's a huge amount of debris and rubble. And they have to do it so carefully. I mean, they've removed thousands of tons already. That's the thing. People don't realize how much they've removed. I can show you a couple of it. It's just so people can get a sense of this. We can have a look at a couple of images of Quebec Leitepe.

While you're pulling that up, how do you feel about the intentionally buried theory? Was it? That's another good question. When it comes to Quebec Leitepe, there was what is known as a slope slide occurred. So you've got the enclosure there at the top of the image. That's enclosure D. And all around that, after Quebec Leitepe was constructed in 9,600 BC for about 1,500 years, it started growing almost like a settlement.

So structures were being built up on the hill just above it. So eventually they caved in at some point and actually filled in some of the larger enclosures. and the NIST was then later covered over, a rebuild on, then covered over again, and then when they eventually decided to leave, they covered the whole site. So there is definitely deliberate burial, but also some accidental burial as well, these slopesides that happened. Were they trying to preserve it? At the end of it, yes.

I mean, that's the unusual thing, because I think there's a bit of both. I think ideas changed through this whole timeframe, this 1,500-year timeframe, and they would accidental burial they still preserved it though even before they buried it they put artefacts statues in place they re-erected and repaired tea pillars

put everything back and then filled it in and so it was like that's strange but other places like Carrahan Tepe they deliberately smashed up parts of it and then buried it almost ritually decommissioned it oh okay so you get that as well you get this broken element to it then it's buried

but whereas certain parts of Carahan Tepe preserved because that's what they wanted to make sure people can see, and this is where we get to the winter solstice in, we'll talk about it shortly. So I think there's a bit of, but, I mean, if you look at this image, this just shows you what we got here. Yeah, this just shows you the kind of site.

That's the site there. That's the main area. This is like the Southeast Quad-South-East Depression, they call it, where a few of the, you know, 60 feet wide each. And then if you look at the main site here, this is the GPR scan they did at the site and these are all the other enclosures they haven't even uncovered yet

Would that push the date back if they got went deeper? Could be. I mean the thing is though They have got to bedrock already So and that's where they get in the 9,600 BC dates Okay But before Klaus Schmidt died He claimed, and he said this to me and Andrew

When we were there once He said that he thinks they're going to find stuff Going into the Ice Age there Wow 14,000 years ago And now other sites in the area are older than Gebeckli-Tepe now. They're finding sites like Jackmack Tepe,

which is actually not too far away. There's sites up near the Tigris River, hundreds of miles away called Bon Chocolu Tala and a couple of other places. I was going to ask you about that. Tarla's older, yes? Some are older, yeah. They don't have the big tea pillars.

That's what distinguishes Gebeckley Tepe. So compared to other sites, that's when I first went there before they built the roof over it. Oh, that's Murderer's Row right there. Yeah, you've got me, Graham Hancock and Andrew Collins, obviously. And this is like back in 2013

when I first visited there. Actually when Graham first visited there as well. And it's an absolutely fascinating place. And this is just a scan I got of one. This is an enclosure deeply recently, a few months ago. They've actually cleared more of it now. So these giant tea pillars

were actually kind of found like this, but with all the rubble around it, holding them all up in place. And so a lot of it was preserved. That's what's. interesting to me. You know, they actually preserved this. And the bedrock that they cut down into the bedrock and created the floors and the curbs around the edge, which they were slot T pillars into. I think all these walls that you see here, these small brick walls, they were added

later, in my opinion. Yeah. Because I think there was, it was very, everything was balanced. It was kind of held in place maybe by certain types of scaffolding or other stones. So is that floor level and polished? It is level. Yeah. It's level. And this is pre-pottery. Yep. And they also, some of the floors, I'm not sure what the next image, some of the floors, I said the astronomy, but some of the floors actually made of what's called Tarazzo. Now this is like a lime cement, and this is outrageous. You have to heat it up to like 850 degrees, you know, just to kind of get it hot to create this lime cement called Tarazzo. And they thought the Romans invented that. That was, you know, because they're pretty smart of the Romans.

But now they found it going back to 9,000, or even actually older than that. It was older sites have tarasso as well so some of the floors are a flattened limestone carved out the solid rock and other other floors and some of the other areas are actually like made of this kind of very waterproof cement called tarazzo and so that's insane it's that they were doing that and they were making it waterproof which is interesting it is because and like you see on here you can see the curb around the edge you know and so they could have had water in here and it would have stayed in there You know, it wouldn't have drained away unless they chose to drain it away through certain holes that they created. So that's another interesting element of these sites.

Is there a controversy right now about Turkey holding up excavation? I've heard that. There is, there is, there has been some controversy. There's a gentleman called Jimmy Corsetti, a bright insight. I know him quite well, actually, I've been assisting him with some of his research. He looked into this because they slow down excavation there dramatically. But they, but when he, but then we. realized they were building infrastructure they got funding from the we

EF which is a bit dodgy in my opinion it is and they are focused on building a whole tourism thing there as well so they it's an investment project as well they've got to monetize it and make it work for them because it costs a lot to excavate these sites it's not it's not a cheap process and when they see how much there is to do now my God it's outrageous amount you actually got to do so technically they have slowed down the excavation and because they were doing all these other things and now they're going to restart the excavations this year and get back into it they've cleared away the olive trees

which were damaging the ruins potentially this is something that jimmy corset campaigned against and potentially he may have even changed their mind because he's he's like he's full on you know what i mean yeah jimmy didn't make a lot of friends there no you don't make a lot yeah he went out there though and got to see and filmed everything and got access to stuff and that was it was outrageous his video was outrageous. It is, yeah. Him and give a shout out to Mike Collins, Wanderer Rolf as well, because he also was there and he did a lot of research with him.

And they kind of looked at all this and like, they've actually now moved the olive trees. And so whether Jimmy made that happen or whether it was their long-term plan, it's still people were a bit unclear about, but it happened. So it's a win either way. Sure. Yeah. And so now they've got no excuse not to get down there now and start

doing some excavation. They've now announced they will be doing some. So whether that's due to the pressure or whether it's just something they've had in I think there was a lot of the archaeologists were responding to the pressure. And so I think they may have caused some changes there. So it's great. You know, stuff's happening. And I can't wait to see what else is going on there.

I mean, because when you consider how little has been excavated and what it has been excavated is mind-blowing already. It really is. So what else are they going to find? So if they can't go deeper because the bedrock is just going to keep getting wider? Is this a whole complex? Yeah. And this is it.

What was it used for? Let's jump back to this. Okay. This is, I mean, this is how big it is. I mean, you look at the bottom right there. That's what's kind of being excavated. So we have these enclosures. You've got enclosure D at the top.

On the right there, you've got enclosure C, which is like a double enclosureure. It's like a double stone circle. And all the other ones, these whole scanned area, are places they've only just started excavating. And so there's a lot more to find. And they're now finding outside of this as well. Because they found, because they're, you know, when this was all being built, This is probably like a series of stone circles. No one living up there.

And then over time, over a few hundred years, people were turning up, they're going, whoa, whoever built this is, I want to be around this. This is where to be. And they built this settlement around it. So there's all these structures built up around it. So it's like a village. Like a small town.

Have they found evidence of dwellings, cooking? Potentially, yeah. They're now saying that. This is one of the things that there's a big debate for many years. But now, like I said, it seems like initially, there was no one really there. They were coming in from Shandler, this is where all the, you have a water

source there, you have rivers and springs there, have caves there, people are also living in as well. That's only half a day's walk, it's only a few miles away. You get there in half a day and back in the same day, you know, to Quebec Litepe. So it's not too far. And then I think eventually they got tired of going back and

forth and they started building these smaller square structures, which you see kind of around the edge. And they're the ones actually collapsed in later. But even they had tea pillars inside them, which is odd. And so are they really domestic? Are they actually, were people actually living there? One of the theories that we're developing and kind of looking at as a possibility is that there's all these sites now.

I mean, we can actually look at it. If we jump back to, oh, I need to go back to the first one, just to show you, just to give you an extent of what is going on here. The Bell Air Direct app includes crash assist, which detects an accident the moment it happens, even offers you emergency assistance at the tap of a button. Okay, but what if I don't have an accident? Well, just keep on, keeping on. Bell Air Direct, insurance, simplified, conditions apply. This is it.

These are all some of the sites that are being excavated. So it's called Tastepela. I call it the Tass Tepela super civilization. That's my kind of term I use. I love it. And there's 12 sites, potentially, but there's many more. There could be 38, there could be 100. You know, these are the two numbers we've heard.

And whether, so I don't know if people lived at one site. I think they may have traveled around the different sites through the year. And they built a boat that anyone could stay in at different times. And it was a kind of like carrying on from the hunter-gatherer tradition where you would move around to different sites. Because they know they were doing that before this earlier than the Quebec Ltepe in the Levant. Right. There were Natufian sites down there, going back to 14,000, 15,000 years ago.

And they didn't have permanent settlements, but they built. built places and then we moved to another place for hunting grounds and migrations and plants they were collecting and then make their way back over the year. So it could have been a pilgrimage route between these different sites because you have exactly the same symbolism, T-shaped pillars, style, statues, even burials now they're finding. All are the same style. And it's almost like the builders of Quebec Lepepe, the first sites that were put there, they were everything was duplicated. Nothing changed. It was almost like they came in perfect. Nothing changed. It's strange. It's like you think there'd be a development of different styles and other such things, but the style maintained itself. Yeah. It's almost like a TGI Fridays. They just build it like prefab. It's the same. Yeah. It's almost like a franchise. It's like a franchise. That's what it feels like. I mean, it's very bizarre because and some of, a lot of these sites, you can actually, we did some analysis of this. if you stand at the top of one site,

because they're often up on top, quite high places, and not only the some of them, you can see the peak of the other hill in the distance and then to another place. So it was almost like they were aware of each other going across the entire landscape as well, which could have been astronomical. They could have been sighting themselves astronomically.

They could have been lighting beacons at certain times of year. They could say everyone could see each other. We don't know, but it's really, really intriguing when you realize it's not just one site, Quebec Litepe, which has been 5% excavated. All these sites. And a lot of them are now being excavated. Carrihan-Tepa has got a lot of excavation being done.

Sefei-Tepa. You've got a few other sites like Sey Birch and others. But why so many sites? I mean, this is why I believe this was the world's first civilization, or what I call it super-civilization, because the elements of civilization were different back then. They didn't necessarily have writing as we know it. They may not have had certain things you class it as civilization,

but they had other things going on. You know, ritualistic elements, the geometry, the metrology, astronomy, which were highly advanced, especially for this time. Sure. I mean, I know there's not a lot of writing, but the metrology and the astronomy speaks to engineering, that there's intentional engineering happening at these sites. So clearly they had to communicate,

they had to pass this information down somehow. Are we finding any of that? Like, here's how to do this. Yeah, I mean, I'm finding, that's what I'm writing about at the moment, actually. I'm finding, you know, there are connections that have been made in other parts of the world now. Is it what you mean? Going across other areas. Right, like if you look at the Ed Food Tax and stuff, it's like, here's how we built this.

Oh, yeah. No, I mean, there's very, there's very little. And one of the clues about how they built stuff is the quarries. What we're finding there a lot is like in Quebec, Leibout, and at Carrahan's up. But there's an area. They kind of leave, they leave a half-finished tea-shaped. pillar, huh, you know, actually in situ, which is really, really interesting. I mean, I'm not sure if I've got an image over here, but that really intrigues me because if you got that going on,

then that suggests that, I don't think I've got an image actually, but that suggests that no, I don't have one right there, sorry, but that shows you that they were leaving certain things at the site or near the site to say, hey, this is how we did it. Right. This is where we got the stone from. This is the birthplace of this temple. you're looking at you know this is like really important i've actually written a few articles about that because you have that with like as one quarry biggest obelisk in the whole era of egypt is left in the quarry half finished you get it on east of island the biggest moai statue is still in the quarry half finished you get it at belbeck the biggest stones there at 1,650 tons are still in the quarry

unfinished right same with quebecli tepe same with carahan tepe and so there's like almost like a tradition of you leave the biggest stone or evidence of how they did it in the quarry as a little kind of mark saying this is where this came from like a maker's mark yeah this is like it's almost a masonic thing right you could see it like that because the masons do that as well apparently um there's places in bible lands that have all this kind of tradition as well when you look at some of the quarries there and i find that really intriguing and so but also you got remember they're mainly built with limestone as well so it's relatively relatively relatively still impossible for me or you to do it probably but they were building with limestone so you could

cut it. You could cut it with the tools they had relatively easily. But when you get into the intricate stylings of everything, it's like, oh my God. How did they come up with this? But where's the legacy of that? It's almost like it emerged. It blasted out of nowhere right at the end of the last Ice Age, just after the younger dryers. And boom, here we go. It's almost like, but we've now, what we're doing for mine and JJ's book, is J.J. Ainsworth, my partner or my co-author I'm working with, we're looking at the kind of lead up to that where it all came from that's where the big questions are how it all came to be and and people aren't going to like what we say i mean because we're not we're not super out there you know we're not super controversial i really believe

these hunter gatherers were a different class of people that people don't realize there were there were elite groups within these hunter gatherers that are often not talked about but they were the ones who had this high level of knowledge and it was passed down generation And they were super advanced and they were also think they were taking various substances You can say psychedelics. We're going to get into that. I think in one of your books, don't you talk about secret societies back then? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And yeah, I've written about that in a couple of papers, articles that I've written because you look into hunter-gatherer societies, you go back far enough even into the Paleolithic times. I might have an image of that as well. There's a couple of images that you can actually find evidence. going way, way back of these kind of societies going back to the Paleolithic era, which suggest that they were very advanced back back.

Oh, yeah, the hatchmarks. This is Alexander Marshack. And this is like counting. This is like numerology. This is astronomy, counting the moons and things like this. And there's certain things they were doing way back in Paleolithic. You're going back 40,000 years some of these places,

suggesting that they had advanced understanding of astronomy and the solstices, which is where we get to Carra Antepe. Eventually, we're going to look at that. And they seem to be obsessed by it. There was this thing that they were actually aligning many of their caves. Let me just find the right one here. You even see it at Carahantepe itself, actually. This is actually the top of Carahan Tepe.

They have all these etchings at the top of the hill. You're not allowed to go up there anymore. and below at Sephirtepe as well, you find these etchings very similar to the Paleolithic etching. So you see this lineage of information coming from the Paleolithic Europe. And they traditionally had, Hunter Gatherer groups traditionally have secret societies as their kind of leaders, their ritual adept leaders, who were like there were different groups within different hierarchical societies.

And this goes back tens of thousands of years. People don't realize this. They weren't just randomly going around. hunting and gathering. They were organized. They planned things. They chose specific caves that are aligned. So the entrances would have light coming through on the summer solstice morning or the winter solstice sunset or something like this. Which would take generations just to observe that pattern. Exactly. Exactly. And this is actually Lascauil, for instance. We actually had this is the most famous cave, for example, in France, you know, in the Dordaun Valley of France. I managed to,

luckily went here this summer where I got found a lot of. I got found. family holiday which turned into a full-on exploration, much to the disdain of my family. But that's what happened. And this one is aligned to summer solstice sunset. Now, they're not aligned. It wasn't built like that, but they chose their caves and entrances and put their paintings in specific spots where it would illuminate only on the solstices at that time of year. And there was a lot of research done on this.

And they found that a majority of the caves there, not only did they align to the solstices, They were chosen because they had this passageway that would illuminate the whole passageway on that particular time of the year. But also paintings were put in spots where they would get illuminated or carvings were placed there. And so much so that this analysis was done

by these amazing French researchers. And they found that this is all scientifically analyzed. This was all published in academic papers. And they found that more often than not, there's no way this could be chance. You have the winter solace solstice, mainly, plus the summer solstice and the equinoxes, aligned caves and illuminations taking place. And this is actually a map of all the different caves where they were and how

they're aligned. And that really blew my mind because this knowledge was going on, potentially 40,000 years ago, right up until the time of Quebec Litepe. And then now we're finding it there, very similar ideas, very similar principles. And so you can see that there's a legacy of knowledge going back into the Paleolithic Europe era, but also there were much older cultures in different areas coming down from the Russian steppes, coming up from the Levantz, even in Egypt, the Natufians and other such peoples,

who had different types of knowledge. Like the Natufians, for instance, they understood geometry. They even understood standard units of measure and construction techniques and building into the bedrock and things like this, which they weren't supposed to know about 14,000 to 15,000 years ago.

So they were smart people as well. And they were like starting to kind of have settlements, but not. They were kind of moving around, as I said earlier, like pilgrimage routes, following the different migrations of animals. But choosing sites in specific areas where they could take measurements of the sky. They were building a certain manner, a lion and orient things in a certain way. So it would kind of continue their traditions. And that is really, that really blew in my mind when you start looking earlier than Quebec.

Tepe, you find all these elements in place. And there's actually a very Natufian site right near Gebeckli Tepe. This is what we mentioned earlier, Chekmaqtepe. That, again, it's got Natufian stylings to it because it's got like holes around the edge where wooden poles could have had roof supports like the Ntufians used to do. Right. So you get things like this going on. So, yeah, the more you get into it, the more you dig into the kind of academic papers,

there's nuggets of information in there, which kind of a lot of people haven't heard about. well let's take a quick break and when we come back i want to talk about carhontepa solstice 2021 where you almost got yourself into some trouble be right back so before we jump into caron tepe and and you're almost arrested by the turkish government i wanted your quick take on daren kuyu the underground cities of kappadocia built those how long what were they used for they're very interesting yeah the underground cities of turkey are amazing really yeah the most famous one as you said dering kouyu this is in the whole cabadokia area this is It goes multiple levels down.

They've got these huge rooms, all these different floors. It's quite intricate, actually, some of it. Actually, that's one of many, though. There's like 200, at least, of that size. I mean, 20,000 people got in there. Yeah, I mean, there's at least 200. There could be hundreds more. They're finding them now not too far from Quebec Leitepe.

This is what's in a town called Midiat. It's kind of in between Gebeckley-Tepa and the Tigris area, where you get like Cortic-Tepa and Bonchok-Lutali, these other sites which were a bit older than Quebec Lidip. They're finding them there. They're finding them now in Cogne as well, where you have Chattelholyak nearby, which is a 7,500-year-old site.

But these underground cities are officially only a couple of thousand, three thousand, max years old. Some of them are attributed to the Hittites. Some are attributed to the Byzantine people, even the Christian era. But at Derun Kuyu itself, as you, when you go and investigate them, you can actually see the first couple of levels are more intricately carved than the lower ones, because the lower ones are later.

As they dig down, it's later in time. The first ones are the first ones they carved out. And they're more intricately done. There's a different quality to them. You can see that they've done it all with like natural tools. But when you get a bit lower, you start to see metal tools have carved them out. Right. So the first layers, it could be super ancient.

and one of the primary investigators there many, many years ago tried to work out where all the stone went. Where did it all go? Where did it end up? And he found a riverbed where we found loads of the limestone had been chucked in there, the rubble, the kind of dust and everything else, and found paleolithic tools in there. Wow.

And mesolithic tools. So we're talking like, and he thinks they could be really old going into the Ice Age. So that's what's so interesting about them. And also that it could be with this whole kind of catacly event, you know, the whole younger dryus and all this, which was, you know, Quebecli-Tappi was built within a couple of hundred years at the end of that kind of whole drama. The Bell Air Direct app includes crash assist, which detects an accident the moment it happens and even offers you emergency assistance at the tap of a button.

Okay, but what if I don't have an accident? Well, just keep on, keeping on. Bell Air Direct, insurance, simplified, conditions apply. Could these have been places where people were hiding out when major cataclysms were taking place up on the surface, which were known to have been happening in that part of the world. I mean, so I think there's something in both of those ideas. I mean, this is all discussion at the moment. No one's really sure.

But the fact that some of them are now being found closer and closer to the whole Tass-Tepleur super-civilization area, I think they're going to find correlations between them, especially now, because what we're going to look at shortly is Karahan Tepe. They're digging into the ground that there's subterranean element. elements, even in Tastepleur itself. And so they were building into the ground right there at some of the sites. We, in fact, even discovered a tunnel there at one of the sites that we're not allowed to kind of talk about too much, but we made a video, but didn't give the location away. An artificial tunnel? Yeah, we're talking 100 meters, what, two or three hundred feet,

dug into the ground. I never heard that. It's a solid rock. For what purpose? No one knows. They say it's well. But when we looked at it, it was like, whoa, hang on a sec. What on earth is this. And so that's actually, that's actually at sight. They're starting to excavate as well. So they're going to probably find it anyway. But we got to know the locals and the family. And it's very similar to like Derun Kuyu. It's very similar to that idea of underground elements being constructed at these sites. And so there is actually a connection now between Tass Tepela and the underground cities. The underground fascinate me because of the intentionality of them. Yeah. The giant stones are there for protection, bringing fresh water up, bringing fresh air,

down. Yeah. Animal husbandry happening in lower levels. It's just, it's very intricate. Yeah, and you have them rolling doors. Yes. The big circular doors. Yes.

And so they would roll them back and forth into place. They're like giant stone discs. And some of those are being found in caves at, in Shandlerpha, right near, right in the center of the whole area of Tastepela. And so there's actually caves there. They're quite famous. They're all along where the river used to run in Shandlerpha. There's actually in a couple of caves there that have these circular

of discs and I was like hang on a sec. Could these then be as old as Quebecli-Tepa? Is this where the people are living? You know, and is it the same and the same ideas where then transported to different parts of Turkey as well? And so, yeah, there's a lot more going on that people realize in that area. How many people were living there at the time? In Shandlerfa.

In this whole area, I mean, these are thousands, hundreds of thousands of people. I mean, when it comes, right, this is one of the big debates about the whole Tass-Tepala region, because Shanlurfer itself had not only a river running through it, very strong river. There was a super lush area. It had all these caves where people were living in just above the river. It had springs. There's four sacred springs that now feed what are known as the Pools of Abraham, where all the sacred carp are.

You have the cave of Abraham as well where he was said to have been born, which is all carved out in a weird way. There's water in it. And it makes you wonder if all these... kind of biblical sites in chanelurpha were actually adapted from the whole tastepler region and because there was actually a site in chanlifer itself called yemenahale this is where the urfa man statue was found or the belliculigal gold statue and that's got obscenient eyes no mouth it's kind of in this sort of pose with a stump for its legs where it would have been placed in a

prominent position yes um this phallus kind of out with a v-neck motif or insignia and So there was a major site in Shanlurfer itself, as well as all the big sites like Quebecli-Tepi and Kerohan-Tape. So it's a very, and I think most of the people were living around Shanlurfa, going back 10, 12,000 years. And then they spread out, and they started building these outer sites that then became settlements themselves. And so, yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot going on in Shanlurfa city itself. I like Andrew Collins' theory about how the Garden of Eden could have been a place there. Yeah. Could have been an actual place.

Yeah, lots of it lines up, because this is the ancient city of Odessa. Yeah. This is where we have, you know, many of the kind of stories of Adam and Eve and things like that kind of emerged from these kind of zones. And, you know, there's a lot of debate about that. I mean, Andrew's the expert on all this kind of stuff. But, you know, Channel Earth is a prominent place. People don't realize that they think it's just the city that's near Gebeckle-Tepae, but it's not there's something going on there as well.

Where are you with, are you finding Sumerian iconography, Anunnaki, that sort of thing? Are you finding that at these sites? Well, what JJ's been looking at, and I think Robert Schock and a couple of other people before were looking at some of the symbolism is very similar to Hittite or kind of similar type of symbolism

about 7,000 years later, which is odd. And the stories of the anarchy And what Klaus Schmidt actually wrote about this In his book, you know, he wrote about that he believes there's some connection with what was called the Dukumound or the Ananaki Potentially could have been in and around Quebec Leitepe. Something Andrews written about something we're going to be looking at from a different perspective Because we found lots of the myths and the stories Could actually be talking about what was going on in Tastebola region as well.

and Carrahantepae being one of the kind of areas we're focused on because you have all these kind of kind of fertility myths with Enki and Enlil. Yep. And, uh, and, and that face, you know, there's lots of fertility symbolism at sites like Carrahan Tepe. Do you subscribe to some of the more, I don't know, fringe is the wrong word, but some of those out there theories about Ananaki being alien, hybrid programs? That is, that, I find that fascinating.

I mean, trust me, I've read Zachariah Sitchin's books. But I've also read the books of Christian O'Brien and Barbara Joy O'Brien, the shining ones, the genius of the few. Yes. But they're more my kind of thing. I mean, because even in them, you know, his translations of the Sumerian text is still pretty mind-blowing. It is. And bizarre. And he believes, rather than aliens coming down from the sky, their Brian's looked at it more like, more like they were kind of spiritual beings, almost semi-divine, who would almost emerge from the ether.

and then come into form, which sounds as crazy as aliens does, really. But that was his idea. It's the only way he could really explain it, because that's how it's kind of described. They were kind of semi-divine that became human into form eventually, and then they were creating humans as well. This sounds a lot like the Book of Enoch as well. Yeah, it kind of fits in with all that as well.

Yeah. It's very odd, yeah, when you start looking into it. Okay, so December 20th of 2021. Yeah. Were you incarcerated? Were you in that Turkish prison? So this is, we're talking about Carahan-Han-Tepa. Let me just bring up, I want to just show people this,

because this is what it looked like before it was kind of being excavated. I think we need to kind of see this. This is like some back, I think this was a film I got in 2018 with full permission from the landowners. So this is this area, the front area there. This is what's all being excavated now. And now, wow, it looks like nothing. This is somewhat changed. If we look at it now

Oh my goodness This is what it looks like Look at this So a huge amount It's been excavated And we're talking A lot of this has been carved Into the bedrock as well

We're not just talking You know Built on the bedrock A lot of it Has actually been carved out of the bedrock They were working with the bedrock In a way that No one else had really done before this

This is an epic shot Look at this, it's mind-blowing But yeah So this is an area of the site This is called the pit shrine or structure A.A. And the other one there with the serpent tail with all the pillars, that's structure A, B, or the pillar shrine. And then you've got the main enclosure it leads into, which is like 70 feet wide called structure A.D. Now, if you notice on the right there, that's all carved out of bedrock because it's going up a hill to one side.

Whereas all the others, there would have been 18 T pillars around the edge. Five of them carved out of bedrock with those benches. And so it's a huge amount of work They've got kind of carvings, wells And other such things in it But really what kind of grabbed us Was this area here This is called what structure A, B,

The Pillar Shrine But these, there's 10 of these pillars This is all carved out of bedrock Which is unheard of at this time And then one freestanding pillar Which is almost like the shape of a serpent And on the back western wall You've got this head

So about this big Emerging out, carved again out of the bedrock It's absolutely insane When you kind of look at this. It's just absolutely blows my mind. So this is what we saw when we turned up on December the 20th, 2021. Myself and JJ, we had this serendipitous series of events. That's a polite way of putting it.

Where we were, we heard about it all just been exposed. You know, the first time you could visit it was in like September, October, 2021. Our friends had been out there and we were like, Christ, we want to get out there. But we couldn't get out there until December. That was the earliest week ago. And then we heard that they were going to close down the site around Christmas or January because we have sort of a friend who worked in Istanbul University, who kind of give us information, keep us updated quietly.

So we got out there for December eventually. Eventually we made it there. And I kind of turned up there on the evening of the 19th. We knew the landowners because I've been visiting there for five or six years previously before it was excavated, as you saw in the aerial shots there. And they gave us permission to go in there and fly my drone, just briefly, so I could get a view of the whole site. Then the military guys who also worked there called Istanbul because they saw someone fly on a drone and tried to get me in trouble. But I kind of had permission at the same time, but he didn't realize I wasn't supposed to.

So anyway, this whole series of problems started to go. And then I got a call from my friend who owns the son of the landowner, the guy I flew the drone with. And he said, oh, you can't come tomorrow. And we had to go tomorrow because JJ hadn't been there yet. And we want to see the site when it's sunny and everything. Can't come to him because all the officials are turning up. If you turn up, you're going to get arrested. You're going to get in trouble.

And we're like, really? I said, what time are they come? I said, oh, late morning. I said, we'll come early morning. How about that? But he said, no, they might come early morning. I said, we'll come earlier in the morning. When it's dark, we don't care.

So we got there just as the sun was rising, not realizing we were going to see anything. And suddenly we walk up to the site and we see this head illuminated. And we're like, what the hell? So you didn't plan on a solstice visit. You just happened to. Well, we were thinking about going there one of the mornings, but we weren't, didn't know if we were going to discover anything. We checked it all, you know, the maps and everything.

We couldn't see anything obvious. But because this happens 10 minutes after sunrise, the alignment is slightly different to what you'd expect. And this we saw this head getting illuminated. That really kind of got us. And this is kind of what happens. the sun was shined through that hole, that car, this is all bedrock remember,

and illuminate the stone head with 45 minutes. And the light would move around the head. And then sort of move around like this and then go down onto the neck. As the sun, so as the light moves around, it goes through that hole and only that hole. And it becomes, because it's going at a sharp angle,

you're actually getting this really thin blade of light. So if it's bedrock, they had to have planned this well in advance. This was master, astronomer, priestly elites doing, this was outrageous design to come up with this. And then all the symbolism associated with that as well. And it would go through, you know, the sun would rise up, you know, over in that direction, you know, the southeast. It would go in between the two T pillars of the main enclosure, sort of right in between them, and then through that hole and then illuminate the stone head. So that really blew our minds when we saw that.

We couldn't quite believe it. And this is like the sequence of how it gets illuminated now in the modern era, because we went back there the following year, went back there late last year as well. And but back in 9,400 BC, the earliest dates they've got for this site, we checked this all out using Stellarium and all these different programs and what worked it all out. The sun would be slightly higher on the head. So it would illuminate it even more perfectly. Okay.

So it was definitely a deliberate design. So if we're dating this 9,400 BC, then the technology has to predate that by thousands of years, yes? This is what was developed, I believe, in the Paleolithic era because they were measured, they were aligned. They were choosing caves that would align to these solstices. So they had an understanding of it coming into Taztepler before anything was even built there. They must have done because you don't by chance just come up with this. If we look at this, this is actually a time lapse. This is fascinating. If you actually look at the head, speeded up. up you got it actually this is what happens so we were very fortunate we managed to get in there and it actually gets illuminated and i've got i've got archaeologists saying no no no it's just pure chance come on pure coincidence i'm like man if this was if this was on like the 18th of april or

something then it might be a bit yeah it could be a weird coincidence but this is specifically only on the winter solstice where the sun is in its most southerly position on the horizon before it starts moving north across the horizon towards the equinox and the somersaults. So it's the only time of the year reaches that point in the sun arises that the head gets illuminate. Any other time of year,

no light doesn't come through or it goes nowhere near the head. So it has to have been... It has to have been designed. And so this is what's so compelling. And on that day, aren't we seeing events like this all over these ancient sites? Not particularly.

Really? Well, you think about it, right? So little it's been excavating. And we believe there's something at Quebecli-Tepa. We believe there's an alignment there. But it's been so built over, rebuilt, damaged, covered up, and everything else. I think as these excavations continue,

we're going to find more solstice alignments over and over again. I mean, there's a couple of other potential ones. There's enclosure F, Aga-Gabekly-Tepa. There's possibly one in enclosure D at Gebeckley-Tepa, which we're pretty convinced by. But none of it has this. was absolutely, today you can go and you can turn up on the winter solstice and we did it, we did it, this one's just gone.

And just watch it. You can watch it happen. And it's like, what the hell? I mean, to me, this is massive. I mean, not because we discovered it or anything. We, you know, whatever, you know, this is a real thing proving that they were studying very high level solstice orientations and alignments and phenomena in 9,400 BC. That isn't supposed to have been happening back then.

It just isn't, it's not supposed to be happening. until like Stonehenge where you get the precise alignments like this. Obviously the Paleolithic caves are a bit different because they're natural. Right. And they were choosing places where the light were coming and then they would paint things, you know, so it would get illuminated or carve things like. The Bell Air Direct app includes crash assist, which detects an accident the moment it happens and even offers you emergency assistance at the tap of a button.

Okay, but what if I don't have an accident? Well, just keep on, keeping on. Bell Air Direct, insurance, simplified, conditions apply. But this is a whole different thing. And this predates Stonehenge by 5,000 years? Six to 7,000 years. Oh, my goodness. So what do you think was happening at this site?

What were they doing? This is where it gets kind of interesting. We believe that this was a ritualistic site. We believe there's all this fertility symbolism. All these pillars are really fallacies. You know, you have to see it. You have to suggest that. This is one of the ideas.

There's other symbolism there where there's men holding their phallus. There's a large statue, which we can look at in a moment. But there's something going on there. These were studying the stars. There's just the star alignments as well that Andrews looked at. Other people have looked at. But really, this is just outrageous. You can't just, you know, this isn't by chance.

I mean, if we look at some of the reconstructions we're actually looking at here, this is my friend of Kevin Esslinger, we've been working on putting the site back together to see if any pillars would be in the way, they're not. We've also put a roof over the top of it because the archaeologists 100% claim there's no evidence for any roofs there's only a couple of negatives where they think roof beans might have been found

they think they all had roofs on so there'll be no they don't look at the sky there's no astronomy and no solstices it doesn't happen so we're like okay we'll put a roof on it then so we did we put a roof on it exactly based upon all the pillars are and there's a perfect gap between two of the outer pillars and the two central pillars.

So it still works. And the light to come through. Even with a thatch roof on it as well. This is a traditional Native American roof that Kevin's focused on looking at different designs. And even if you have to have windows in roofs, because it'd be pitch black. If you just put one there in a small area, you get a perfect alignment taking place as well. So this is, to me, this is like, you know, this is it.

Yeah, they don't like it. I mean, so even, we don't believe they were roofs, but they might have been. And so if evidence turns up, they find wooden beams or they find evidence of actual roofs, and I'd be interested because we could then present this. But the fact is it works with and without. So this is what was going on there. This is just a little kind of 3D AI thing we put together.

It's actually from an illustration by Dan Lish. I want to give him credit. It was originally just a kind of pennant ink illustration, but we turned it into this. But we think there was something really interesting going on here because they were obviously developing their astronomical skills. There was ritualistic activity clearly taking place there. They found all sorts of artifacts with bizarre symbolism on.

Like what? You know, all sorts of things. Like we talk about the leopards. We talk about men holding their phallus. We can look at some of them actually. This is actually the roof they're planning to build, which we'll get into in a little while. Let me just find the right thing because there's some very bizarre.

I mean, this, let's have a look at this one. This is the vulture statue they found in the new enclosure at the top of the hill. This is about two and a half feet tall. So probably like this. And the vulture shows up at all these sites, doesn't it? It does. It's a vault. Yeah, this is what we get on a pillar 43, a Gebeckley-Tepa.

Again, this is broken like here, here and here in three places. Like most of the statues are like ritualistically broken. This was found also up in the new enclosure. Again, I've got another look at the pillar shrine there. but let's look at and also there's evidence that these were full of water as well which we believe we mentioned earlier there's I think there's water symbolism here is really interesting because if these had water in them it becomes much more ritualistic there's things that could have been taking place here I think you're right because the walls are so smooth that it looks it almost looks like it's very bizarre when you start looking into it yeah let's just go yeah let's have a look at this this is again this is the work of Kevin Eslinger we were kind of experimenting to see because they look like pools of water.

But there's no natural water here. So springs or at Quebec Litepe, and yet people somehow may have lived here as well. And so we were working out if they could collect rainwater and stay full of water. And they pretty much could. They're very well sealed. And also, you know, we have this as well.

This is like speculation about what it may have looked like. I mean, it could have just been a spa. Right. It could have been a megalithic spa. That was something I would quite appreciate, I'm sure. But here's some of the, this is some of the artifacts and the symbolism, which could explain what was going on it. Because you've got like, this, this is like this huge, these are perfectly cut stone bowls with these whole kind of donut shaped stones, with animals placed within them, as though they're going through that porthole stone that winter solstice comes through. And so they're having, and then they've got these maces, like this stone maces, you can just about see on the top right image of all these carvings on them and other such things.

So to me, this is a ritualistic burial of some artifacts. This isn't just what they were preparing like their beef stewing or anything like that. This is something else. I think you can see that here is some of the other relatively newly discovered statues with 3D reliefs on them. All sorts of symbolism. It's quite broken Carrahan-Tepae. So it's quite hard to find it. This is actually a new room they found at the site.

And this, to me, this looks like something Sumerian or it. It does. Utterly bizarre. And so this is brand new. This is like, what, 25 feet wide, something like that. It's not huge, but it's pretty big. And so, and a lot of the base there is carved out of bedrock. And so this, again, would be water sealed as well.

And again, this looks like a level polished floor. It is, yeah. They were really working that bedrock in a profound manner. Yeah. Really, really beautifully. And this is one of the statues they found. This, they thought originally was a female statue. But then they, you can actually see it's got a,

phallus there as well yeah this was found in the the large enclosure at the top of the hill look at the haircut though that's very similar actually to what you see on some of the goddess statues in malta and gozo right malta and so soona and then this one yeah the whole sansuna stories really blows my mind actually this is what this is this is the big statue they found on the right in the in the new end it's caused a bit of a sensation in late 2023 but notice it's got like a almost like a false beard on it yeah look at that and then they found this smaller statue again with this what appears to be a false beard. And what do we find in Egypt?

What do we find on the sphinx? That's right. We find these kind of false beards. And so what on earth is that doing here? And clearly the man, the gentleman on the right, this is seven and a half foot tall. This is a giant, okay?

He's holding his phallus. He's got emaciated body. So you see his ribs. Yep. He's even got a haircut. It's almost like shaved around here. And hair coming down the back, a bit like a mullet.

A bit of a kind of mohawk mullet. So they were pretty. And this is very much, when you have shaved heads and things like this, it's usually associated with ritual specialists. You know, this is a traditional kind of, this isn't like a king or warrior. This is like a kind of ritual specialist when you have the shaved cranium. Like a priest or a shaman or something. Yeah. And you get that very much.

Could any of these sites been colored pigment painted? There is evidence of that now. Yeah. I mean, actually, if we go to this one, this is the boar statue. that was found at Quebecli-Tepa. This, they found, this was found in the main enclosure, enclosure D'a-Cubeckley-Tepa.

This is like a full-size kind of boar statue with fangs and everything else. And in its mouth, they found black, red, and also white pigment on some of the body as well. You can see the red pigment in there.

So they had black, red, and white. Now, I know that's interesting to you because you had, I think Tim Hogan was speaking about that being the colors of Egypt, The colors of the Templars. Colors of the Templars. Some people say the colors of Atlantis as well.

Yeah. The colors of the WIFiles. They're the three, yeah, because of the WIFiles, of course. So they're the three main colors they found at this site. They had found it previously on another Ball Statute in a closure sea many years ago and thought nothing of it. But now there's potentially, the whole site might have been painted. We've got to get Kevin on that. Yeah.

We'd like to see that. Yeah. Because that's spectacular. That would be interesting, actually. Yeah. So that really, that really interests me that. whole idea that they could actually be painted. And the same could be, you know, Carahan-Tape as well.

So one of the things they found inside the main enclosure at Carajan-Tepa, you know, which I think, you know, could have held sacraments, could have proved its kind of ritual. With these giant plates, these are like this big some of them, these are carved out, solid stone, polished. Yeah. Notice the one, the dark one in the middle there, that is like almost like a indentation, smoothed out in the middle. It looks like a beveled restaurant.

on tray. Yeah. And this is, this is like basse out. This is granite. This is extremely hard. Some it's diorite, I think. How could they carve granite? Exactly. How could they do that? And so this is what, this is one of the, one of the mysteries that, and they found hundreds of these now that when this was put on display, they only found a handful of them. Because limestone, yes, you can cut that with obsidian. But they got, they got very hard basse out as well, you know, like almost diorite level. It's really interesting. Is there volcanic rock in that area? Yeah, yeah. So you have, so you have Caracada Mountain. This is like the big,

it was once a volcano to the north. This is where the first Einkorn wheat was grown on the slopes of actually, you know, going back to not long after Quebec Le Tepe. But they found lots of volcanic, but some of the stone is from completely unknown areas. They don't know where he came from.

And so this is why the wider super civilization idea could be a reality at places like Carahan Tepe and Quebec Le Tepe. But these are just some of the place. They found these placed specifically on the benches in between the tea pillars around the edge of the main enclosure. But now they're finding them in all the enclosures and placed often in very specific spots under

the porthole stone in the kind of almost alter type areas and things like this. Do we have a guess why? I mean, there was something on these plates. That lip is there for practical reason to hold something. There was something on these plates. So I don't think they were serving, you know, cucumber sandwiches or anything like that. that I think this was a serious, they were serving sacraments. Could there have been human sacrifice, blood?

There is, there is, there is some evidence of that at a cycle Cheyano, which is further to the north. There's evidence of that? They've found a human hemoglobin, along with animal and human bones, all piled up in a place called the skull room, Cheano. And they think it could have been human sacrificing there as well going on. So that's, that's another interesting place. That's further to the north. It's around a thousand years after. Gebeckley Tepe and Carahan-Tepae.

Because they can date that hemoglobin, yes? Yeah, they have done that at these sites. But these, I think, I've got this feeling that these were what sacraments were camera. I'm talking about possibly psychotropic plant medicines. Now what do you mean? Well, I'm talking about magic mushrooms. I'm talking about potentially other things that they henbae and other things that may have grown in the area. Because to me, when you start looking at whole stylings and design, 3D relief

abstract imagery of Quebec Leitepe and all these sites, it's not a normal human mind is coming up with that. This is outrageously kind of abstract. It doesn't make sense. If you were just a primitive or relatively primitive hunter-gatherer, you want to be building and creating these beautiful relief carvings with this abstract symbolism and design and maintaining that over generations,

unless you had a real kind of very unusual mind to put that together. to me so I think there's something odd going on here does aminita or any of those type of mushrooms grow in the area well you get yes you would get that because they they they were no type of all rocks and different cattle and so the dung there it would grow for sure right they found there's lots of it's quite a lot of mushrooms sort of shape symbolism and parts of these sites as well you can actually find that on many of the different statues and also there's a type of grass that grows all in that area which if actually a small it's kind of kind of kind of partly acacia. So you burn that in high quantities. You're going to get DMT smoke coming out as well. Interesting. And also they were brewing beer. There's evidence of calcium oxalate being found on some of the large stone vessels, sort of tubs that they found at Becali-tepe so far. And they're not supposed to have beer yet, are they? No, they're not. But it would have, I mean, so there's potential evidence. This hasn't been 100% proven that they were brewing beer, maybe accidentally. It could have just left it to rot and ferment and they realized, oh, it made them feel a bit funny when they drank it. So that is,

that can put you into an, it more like a beer gruel it would be, rather than a beer. Could, could grow on that? Exactly. It could. Exactly. This is the point. So what they found in a Rackachet Cave down in Israel, which is older than Quebec Leitepe, is not only evidence of early beer production, you know, we're talking probably accidental beer, but they found evidence of ergot as well. Wow. So, and that was usually associated. with a skull cult, you know, decapitating skulls, sacrificial kind of stuff as well. And so was that happening at Quebec Letepe? Because they found skulls there with holes drilled in them.

So they could have been strung up. And then some of the tea pillars have holes carved on the overhanging tea part. Holes drilled through it. So you could just stringing up skulls and hanging them there. But also, but this idea of psychedelics in ancient times, to me, suddenly it all comes clear. This is like why they were studying all these obscure things. like studying the stars, having these ritualistic practices, these fertility symbolism, all this unusual iconography,

which is really hard to decipher, because they were kind of off their heads of really interesting substances. And other cultures throughout history, after that, were known to be into this kind of stuff. Yeah, I mean, if Iowaska goes back 10,000 years, how many thousands of years did it take to figure out that process? Yeah, exactly, exactly.

So it just goes, it goes on and on and on. And then they were experimented to, To put it in, you know, I think when you're kind of in some kind of alter state, you're going to get into things like geometry. You're going to see the fractals, all of it. Exactly. Yeah. So this is why I'm so fascinated by this. This is one.

I mean, the whole of Quebec Lepe's, all of the sites there are geometrically laid out. And so this one is a very complicated one, actually, which was first, this shape was first discovered by Alexander Tom. Megalithic Yard. Yeah, all that kind of stuff. Yeah. And the stone circle was a broad. written all that different geometries. Can you give us just a quick recap of what Alexander bound?

Yeah, for sure. I've actually got a couple of images here. I'll just show you. This audience knows the bengalithic yard. Yeah, so this is the man. I absolutely love this guy. Yeah. Absolute legend.

So this is Alexander Tom. He was around really, you know, in 1938 he started Savanstone Circles. He was a Scottish engineer. He studied, taught at Oxford University. He was fascinated by Stone Circles and the Mega. So he went around with a theodolite on his own sometimes. You know, theodder heavy, they should be called their giant metal objects are really hard to carry about. And surveyed hundreds of stone circles.

And he came up with all these, and he found all these geometries. You know. The Bell Air Direct app includes crash assist, which detects an accident the moment it happens, and even offers you emergency assistance at the tap of a button. Okay, but what if I don't have an accident? Well, just keep on, keeping on. Bell Air Direct, insurance, simplified. Conditions apply.

Within them, ellipses, perfect circles mainly, but also these very odd flattened eggs and things like this. And that really got him. And so he proved that a majority were circular, but a lot of them were these shapes. So he proved that they were using very sophisticated geometry to lay them all out. He also discovered the standard unit of measure called the megalithic yard, which is 2.72 feet or 0.83 meters, which he found over and over again at these sites. and if we go to Quebec Leitepe, this is one of the geometries.

Oh my goodness. In enclosure C. Are you finding standard units of measure of these sites? Oh, we're going to get into that. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is very, very interesting stuff. So this is a perfect flat and circle modified type B.

I mean, this doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. But enclosure C is got it down. I mean, that's what kind of gets me. Here's some other geometries. Okay, the middle one there is enclosure D. which is an egg-shaped based upon two 512-13 Pythagorean triangles. I understand. When I think about that, I think about an orbit.

Yeah. This is like two ellipses merge. Yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also on the left there, you've got some other geometries. You've got obviously, Karen on the right there. And so we keep finding these different geometries. And to me, this can't just be accidental.

No. Something odd about this. And then when you get it, you start looking a little bit more closely. you feel like Nabta Playa in Egypt has the same geometry as Quebec Leitepe. This goes back to 7,500 BC potentially. So what's going on here? Then, you know, there's alignments between them that form geometries. Nan Madal, fascinating.

I see it's connected. It's all connected. What about the hinges? Do they fall into the same ellipsis pattern? Yes, you do get that in England, yeah. So this is what we're developed. I'm actually writing about this as we speak. I'm finding so many correlations between Alexander Tom's work.

and what we're finding in Southeast Turkey. And as more sites get uncovered, more and more of these geometries keep turning up. And it's blowing my mind. So let's just look at the metrology for a moment. This is insane. Let me stop you for one second. How the heck is Namadol connected to this?

That's Polynesia, no? Well, what I've got here, this is from the little book. So what we did, we started laying out sites around the planet using Google Earth and other such things. And just seeing if there's any interesting alignments between Quebec-Lepe-TEPI sites. all that Tastapal sites and others around the world. And there are bizarre ones. I mean, you look at the alignment here

from Seyberch to Quebecli Tepe to Tashli Tepe. And it somehow goes through Karahunge in Armenia. It does. And it goes to reach his Namedal, 7,500 miles away. And that could be a coincidence, okay? Could be a coincidence. I admit that. But then you look at the work on the right there,

you got Quebecli Tepe and Balbek. of a perfect diagonal of a sixfold square geometry, which is the work of Howard Crowhurst, the same one that the triangle at the top left there, Quebecli, Tepe, Kurt Tepe, and Herbert Zuvan. These are three Tastepaulocytes. All form a perfect three, four, five triangle across the landscape. And so we think they were surveying.

A three, four, five, so a Pythagorean triple. Yeah, yeah, all Pythagorean. Most of it's Pythagorean, actually. Yeah, most of it is. And so, you know, that's what intrigues me, because that is happening in Britain. We've proven that. Robin Heath, Howard Crowhurst,

Alexander Tom, all proven that. So now we're finding it happening here. And then you think about like passages from the Book of Enoch. Oh, and I'm taking cords. The angels are taking cords and going to measure size and shape of the earth. And you realize, hang on a sec, this is what they were actually doing at this time. So even the Book of Enoch could be referring back to this Tateppala era

where they were doing this kind of thing. That's right. to catch people up, Enoch traveling above the earth with Euryl and is shown 364 and one quarter days around the sun, lunar cycle, solar cycle, all things that they're not supposed to know. And I think Enoch was problematic for the church at some point. Definitely. Was it James Bruce who discovered it in Ethiopia? That's right.

It's fascinating to me. I mean, the book of Enoch is almost like a kind of, it's the book of Tess Teppler, in my opinion. I think if people start looking into that more, and there's more. things get discovered there, they're going to find more and more correlations between these different elements, these different passages, these texts that were written in ancient times, there's going to be more and more connections. And one of the other things, you know, they're talking about going to measure. This is where the ancient metrology gets into it, because all

these have got specific distances between them. So this is going to hurt people's brain, this, but this is some measurements I took of the different parts of, um, Quebec Leitepe. Now, you don't need to look at it too closely, but fundamentally what we're seeing here is not just that we're finding the megalithic yard, whole number as well. It's all about whole numbers. You don't want to have half measures or things like that. It doesn't, right.

So I'm just only if I find a whole number. But what I found was is that I'm very influenced by the work of John Michelle and John Neal, who wrote ancient metrology back in 1980, I think. And then John Neal has written a whole series of books about the matroly. And they don't think there's one unit of measure. like the megalithy. They think there's a whole system of different variations of the foot length, which are based around the British foot,

but there's all slight differences between them, and they're all harmonically connected. Harmonically connected, meaning predictable ratio? I think I've actually got a... I'm sorry, I'm getting excited. The math gets me excited. Well, you look at this, for instance. This is like, you know, this is actually the top of a T-pillar is two double squares.

This is an interesting way of seeing it. So if you've got a double square, that's the fundamental. of building things like this. So that measures potentially three megalithic yards across, but the diagonal would measure eight Royal Egyptian feet, and the diagonal of the square would imagine 16 Sumerian palms or five Royal Egyptian feet. And so you have all these weird correlations within one system.

So they weren't just using one unit of measure. They were using multiple units. And each one was like a kind of quality, like a different accent of the builders who were doing that part of the site. and they wanted to, it meant something. So it was like a language. Right.

Yeah. So, you know, this is where the whole idea of number and myth and stories, a lot of it comes from number and measurements. And a lot of these old measurements are subdivisions of the size and shape of the earth. So they must have had an understanding of the size and shape. Even in Tastepola, this is what's so intriguing. So these numbers are divisible by the circumference? Is that something like that?

Various ones are, yeah. Some of them are, yeah. And like, it's a close up of like enclosure D for instance. With all this data, how do you know what to throw away? Well, this is when you get into anything, like, so I've got a few, like the numbers here, I don't want to burn people's brains apart here, but this is the numbers here. We've got a few half measures here, like 13.5 or something to just show some examples. But you only, you know, you could put a list of 20 different types of 18 different types of foot measurements

or remnants or palms and things like this, but they're not exact numbers. They're not 18 or they're not 17. or not 12 points something. So remove anything with a point and just go with whole numbers. And this is where all the magic starts coming out because you realize one measurement could be something,

another whole number of another measurement, another whole number of another measurement. So you keep finding all these correlations. Then you kind of work downwards until you get to a few different ones they were definitely using, which really are the Persian foot, which is 1.05 feet.

Or there's also the megalithic yard is used all the time in Tastepa. You've also got the Sumerian foot, you've got the Assyrian foot, you've got the Saxon foot, which isn't actually Saxon, essentially much earlier than that. And this is so bizarre. Let me see, I don't see, I've got the right image here. Now, let me just go back a couple of shots here. Because this is, or it gets really, really interesting to me.

Yeah, let's go back to this one. Because these variations of the foot, they're like, harmonic fractions different to one another. and so you could actually just put them in a table you can actually calculate it in your head in arithmetic really easily you don't need to work it out on calculators because it's like 11 to 12 or 21 to 22 or you know 58 to 56 you know the differences in the slight variations if you do it just like like that in your head like the ratios and so it's quite easy to understand so I think they were using four or five different measurement systems and they're all based upon the measurements of

the Earth. So again, we go back to the Book of Enoch. They were going to measure. Right. And I believe that they were doing that. They were sending teams out around the planet and they were, they wanted to understand what was going on with the Earth. So the earliest phase of Tase Teppler, they were doing this. And this is where the Book of Enoch kind of picked up that kind of story. Right. They're talking about taking these cords off and going to measure. And so that is where I'm still into this. I'm still writing about this. I'm still going further into this. But the evidence is there now. What evidence?

Are you finding artifacts? Just the numbers. You can just work with the numbers. This is what's so interesting. So this is something that the archaeologists are zero interest in. I couldn't even get officially any of the measurements of the site. I had to go in and use every old map I could find and work it all out. So some of these may be a tiny bit off.

I'm still working on this. But when you find numbers, you find geometries, you find orientations. They even mark north, south, east, and west accurately as well. They do? Using modular geometry, which is the work of Howard Crowhurst. So the modular geometry is like on the right there, where you have squares placed upon each other, but always north, southeast, west. Do we see any of these measurements used in, by the Olmex, the Aztecs, Incas, anything on that side of the earth? I haven't looked at that yet.

I'm so focused on this in the British sites as well. But like on the image on the right there, you see you've got, there's there was some research done by these, researchers from Tel Aviv University avi gopher, I think, in Gil Hackley and they found, if you draw a point in the middle of each of the main enclosure, forms a perfect equilateral triangle.

And they're the same measurements on each side. So they were working with equilateral triangles at least. So that's what they realized. But then Howard Crowhurst came in and realized that alignment, the yellow line, between the two central T-pillars of two of the enclosures is actually a triple square diagonal. And so this is where, and suddenly, oh, so if that's the case, then you draw other squares

around that, they knew north, southeast, and west. They weren't supposed to know that then. Right. That wasn't supposed to happen until the pyramid age, you know, that kind of thing with the great pyramid. So little things like that. You don't take, you take, most people take for granted. They think, so what?

But they must have known. How close is it? I mean, we know. This is exact. Is it perfect? It's perfect, yeah. It's absolutely perfect. So this is what's so, and it gets, and it gets weirder, the more you start looking into it.

And so this is, you know, I'm at the kind of halfway point, maybe two thirds into this mega chapter I'm doing on this for the new book. But I think it's going to turn out. If we can get some exact measurements out of some of these sites, get permission to go in and actually measure them. It's going to go, we're going to go crazy. But then you have sites, you have other sites in the whole region. Obviously, this is fascinating to me because you have double square, again, the modular geometry. base hiding measurements. There was actually an old quote,

I can't remember the quote exactly, from John Michelle. He was like Mike kind of hero. He wrote the book, The View Over Atlantis and also ancient metrology. He wrote the book, Megalithomania. He gave us permission to use a name for our conference, yeah, funnalina.

And what he found was, he says, it's always, like a Stonehenge, he said it's always the top stones, the lintels that will hide the measurement systems of the priestly elites. Not the lower ones, because they'll get damaged and knocked around. Look at the top stone.

So this, this double square is the top part of the T of the T pillars. So he was writing, he was saying that 20, 30 years ago. And now we're finding that at Quebec Leitepe. The top part of the site is where the magic is, where the real measurements and their kind of knowledge is positioned. And so this is, I mean, this is interesting to me. If these measurements are encoded inside on the T pillars themselves, then we can work out what they were trying to tell us.

That's right. Mathematically at least. Yes. So if the T pillars are, if they leave one in the quarry, then this looks like engineering being passed down. This is very much. This is science. Yes.

This is a very early science. And the planning is extraordinary. It is. It is. And I think, you know, there's a subtlety to it as well. And the abstract nature, which makes them feel just so intelligent these people. Yes. So intelligent.

But in a kind of. in a different way to us. We think intelligence is all academic. To them it was a subtle intelligence, understanding the laws of nature coming in and encoding that within these sites. Why would the solstices be so important to people that aren't really agricultural yet?

Well, this goes way back, actually. This goes back to the Paleolithic era, actually. Let me just, there's a couple of things here. So we're talking about some of these caves again. So we go back to this. This is all the alignments of the solstices, you know, in the Paleolithic caves. Yeah. And the traditions there.

And this is anthropological research, which has been done on hunter-gatherer societies. There's a gentleman called Brian Hayden, an author, brilliant author. He's written about this. This is based on some of his research. And I've been reading all this stuff. I just found him, basically. And it's blown my mind. That solstices weren't about necessarily about anything to do with growing food or to study having a calendar.

It wasn't necessarily about food production and things like that. It was more about understanding the laws of nature, but also it was about when to do your tribal feasting, when to time your initiation, the rites of passage, when to have ceremony and things like this. It wasn't just about practical things. It was like spiritual, ritualistic things as well. And the way they worked that out is because he studied Hunter-Gatherer societies

from all over the world that anthropological data has been picked up from over the last few hundred years and found that that was the case many of them a majority of them in fact

even in North America as well the Native American groups here they do the same thing they have caves or they have orientations which get illuminated on certain dates of the year usually the solstices

then they know when to do ceremonies they know when to do their feasting they know when to do certain things and only later it became useful for agriculture Right. So, you know, so it's the other way around. People, you know, this is the whole thing.

And so, because you look at Carrahan-Tepa, you know, you have the whole winter solstice alignment there. That would have been a really useful calendar, a really useful marker. That everyone can use and understand the sun stops. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah. There's actually some work of Dr. Martin Sweatman, who I have a lot of time for. I'm just seeing if I've got an image of some of his research. I can't find it. But he, actually, I think he's got.

it on Quebecli-Tepe, Pillar 43 as well. He's been published, yes? Oh, yeah, he's an academic, yeah, he's for sure. So he's done not only at Carrahan-Tepa, he's found a calendrical system in the pillar shrine, counting the different, you know, pillars and things like this. He's also found it on Pillar 43 here, a perfect kind of lunar, loony solar calendar, they call it.

This is the vulture stone, so what's happening here? This is the vulture stone. So this, he's basically counting the different Vs. So, and then the, but it's quite, it's not that complicated, but it's kind of explained here. You've got the one lunar month is one of the Vs. 11 lunar months, because there's 11 of these squares, equals 354 days.

And you've got 10 more of these upside down and upright triangles, which equal 10 days, which makes 364 days. Then he believes the vulture or the sun symbol would make up, he believes it was a summer solstice, but it could easily be the winter solstice as well. Mark made the final day. So it's a basic counting thing for a lunar and solar calendar. And the same thing has been found at Carahan-Tepay.

And you must remember that within a couple of hundred years of these sites being built, on Caracadal Mountain just north of Quebec Letepe, the first Einkorn wheat was produced in an agricultural farming manner. And that's where the agricultural revolution kicked off within 200 years of these sites being constructed. And then because all the evidence at Quebec Lepa and Carahatta is that they're talking about, all the evidence they found, They were wild plants.

There were wild animals. It was hunting. It was collecting. They were doing all these things. But there was no evidence of growing food or agriculture. But within a couple hundred years, they probably got to a point where they wanted to settle down. And they kind of wanted to hang out at Quebec Litepe and these other places. And then they thought, well, let's grow the damn stuff ourselves, just over there.

They built all these, they created all these huge hunting traps. So when migrating animals were coming, they coerced them into these giant, all these walls built around them. big kind of keyhole shapes to then trap them and funnel the animals into these pens and kill them all. This is it during the same time? All around the area, you find loads of these hunting traps. They're called hunting kites, I think. And some of them were being found in Saudi Arabia and other areas as well. And so they were realizing they could stop.

And then they started breeding the animals and things like this. Then they started growing the food. So this is when a sedentary lifestyle began. Right. You know, after these sites were built. Because most, you know, for a long time, people were thinking, oh, they must have, you know, They must have kind of created agriculture and then decided to build these sites based upon that. Well, that's where we're taught.

Yeah. But also you have some of the Sumerian stories of Enkian and Lill and all this kind of stuff. They talk about giant structures being created. They talk about giant lofty enclosures and things like this being built on hills. And they were channels and water was being directed. And you see all these water channels at Quebec L'Itepe now where they're harvesting rainwater and at Karahepe, which we've seen already. And then after that, the food domestication, the animal domestication started taking.

These are all in the Sumerian stories. And so I believe they would, you know, Andrew talked about this briefly. They were going on about this in Sumerian stories, but they were talking about the Tastapola era in kind of myth and story. And so I think there's a lot more to what was going on here than people realize. This, I mean, we take, you know, you've got to remember, until the mid-1929, 2000, no one knew any of these places existed. No.

There was just a rumor. And when you think about all the cultures passing through Southeast Turkey, you know, you've got the Sumerians, you've got the Hittites, you've got the Assyrians, you've got the Babylonians, you've got the Muslims, all these cultures walking over the side. Literally, they're like digging into the same hill and putting burials in like in, like in Quebec Litepe. And seeing it as sacred somehow, they sort of felt it was sacred. because of the myths that had been around for a long time. So no one knew anything about it.

And so all this kind of history has been written about. There's a whole chapter missing. The chapter is now being read and it's being written. So this is what's happening in Southeast Turkey. It's fact, before the discoveries, would people look at those Samarian texts and wonder, where is this place? Where is this?

Because they're talking about places. Well, they assumed it was in, you know, Iraq. Right. Iran, all this kind of thing where it's, you know. Fertile Crescent. All kicking off now. But there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot going on down there as well, long before the Sumerians. You know, like you have Jericho, for instance.

This is famous. Everyone knows Jericho. But there was also a summer solstice sunset alignment. In Jericho? In Jericho, in the tower itself. This is the oldest city on earth, yes? Yeah, this is like, you know, a bit younger than Quebecly Tepe and all that. But this is the work, again, Ranbukai and Roy,

These are the guys who have found standard units of measure at other Tass Tepaulah sites and in Tufian sites. This is a whole different thing to what they're finding in Quebec-Li-Tepa. But they're finding the Persian foot and Persian cubit as a standard unit of measure in many of the Tufian sites. But that's another story. But this is the alignment in Jericho. So all these stories may have been reflecting into Jericho. They may have been reflected further north into Quebec-Liepe. and also,

we'll come back to that in the moment, but also you have all along the coast, you have sites like Atlitt Yim, or Atlet Yam that are being discovered off the coast, under the water of Israel, and they found semi-stone circles, cut marks,

you know, stone wall corridors that align to the summer solstice. So that's all in the area, you know, of that whole kind of biblical area. So it gets weirder and weirder, the more you dig. Do you date it to the same time and why is it underwater?

This goes back to about 7,500 BC. It's underwater because of the water levels have just risen 400 feet. I was trying to get a flood myth story. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, there's, there are, you know, there are certain ones that kind of come into that as well. But there's a lot around the coast there that suggests, especially the Levantine coast, Israel, and which do suggest that there.

There was a lot more going on and it must be this old because that's when the water levels were much less at the end of the last ice age and a little bit after that as well. But you also have the connection with Malta, which I find interesting because that whole place was much bigger and connected to the mainland Europe in the Mediterranean as well. And they found evidence off the coast of Sicily of a gigantic like 15, 14 meter long megalith at the bottom of the ocean. which dates back to 10,000, 11,000 years ago. They're like, what the hell? So there's stuff going on there as well, all under the water. So yeah, the more you get into this, the coastal stuff is a whole other thing as well. There's also evidence that they were navigating from Mediterranean edge of Turkey

over to Cyprus going back to at least 12,000 to 13,000 years ago. And we're talking quite large amounts of people going back and forth, quite big boats. So trade merchants? Yeah, and people, animals, they proved it by animals. Oh, how do they do that? And obsidian and things like this. Well, no one knows what's going on here because they found evidence of seafaring about 100,000 years in Crete and Greece because they found obsidian on certain islands

that could only have got there by boat, you know, things like that. So the seafaring nature of history has been deeply overlooked. I agree. The whole diffusionism thing as well. I agree. So even the people of Quebec. TEPI may have been sailing and this is how they could have got around the world to measure the earth in ancient times. I mean, there's no denying the DNA is around the planet that's coming from different places.

Fusionism is a real thing. Yeah, for sure. And I think there's more evidence that it's going to come to light the more we get into this kind of stuff. But yeah, there's so much. I mean, I want to talk about a couple of other sites because I've got a feeling some of your your watches and your listeners. Watches. Watch is nice.

Well, let's take a quick break and we'll get back into this. I'm very excited. We'll back in a sec. I wanted to ask, have you found any correlation with latitude, longitude, with these sites? Is there any meaning? That I'm starting to look at that now. I've got most of the geometry work done. I think we're going to find things.

Yeah. I think we're going to find it. Well, the problem is it's a very limited area, the whole TAS tabula area. I mean, there is one thing I found, like there's a connection between Peru and Gebeckli-Tepe. Interesting. If you draw a line, like for instance, it's too high now, if you draw a line, say, between the middle of Gebeckle-Tepen, enclosure D and the Korokentra in Peru, it's, I should have an image of it here somewhere. I'd love to see that. Yeah, yeah.

And the line is from the middle of the enclosure. that's pretty precise it's pretty accurate yeah yeah let me just see if i hope i got the image here if not there you go yeah he's here so oh wow so this isn't necessarily about latitudes but this is quite interesting uh because it it comes back to the canonical numbers so this is years ago i kind of spotted this when i was messing about on google earth but if you draw an exact line between the middle of enclosure d and the middle of the coricantia which is the sacred center of the the ink or pre-inca whatever this is seven thousand nine i'd

128 miles. That is the known diameter of the Earth at the equator, but in canonical tradition, it's 7-9-20 miles. That's a sort of round number. And that's 8 times 9 times 10 times 11. So this is all the arithmetic that the ancients were doing. So there has to, I mean, how can, how can they do? I mean, is that a coincidence again? I don't think so. The number 11 shows up a lot in these ancient sites as well. Yeah, you do. Some of the enclosures have 11 stones in as well. Usually 12, but 11 as well. And also some of the carvings here as well. I wrote this article on Graham Hancock's website years ago.

Yeah. Like the ones on the left there of that photo there from Cotimbaud and Silasani in Peru. The one two on the right are from Quebec Ltepe, and they're almost identical style. I mean, this is a style you're probably going to find. People are going to do 3D reliefs. But it's kind of interesting. Even Graham Hancock put that in his book, you know,

when he went to visit these sites as well. He found he compared with these sites. You know, not necessarily this alignment, but certainly, you know, the connection can be found. Yep, I see it. I believe it. Let's look at a couple of other bits while we hear that. If you're like interested in a bit of that.

I mean, obviously you've got the, you've got the Quebec Leitepe Easter Island thing as well. It's kind of intriguing. You know, you're getting the same kind of hand signals. You're getting the same kind of style. Easter Island is always confused me because it's in the middle of nowhere. I know, yeah.

I know. It's such a strange place. You even have polygon walls there as well. Is that right? In a place called Venapu underneath, like where the Moai stand upon the platforms. And, you know, how did that get there? Did that come from Peru?

Did it come from another part of the world? And I don't think a lot of people realize the Moai statues, a lot of them have bodies. Oh, yeah, yeah, all the way down, yeah, yeah. Why would you build a 30-foot statue and bury 20 feet of it? That is, and that's one of the things you get on the island there. Some of them are just sort of torsos, but some of them go much further down, like below the kind of groinel area.

But you always have this hands on the navel, you know, and the naval is like, traditionally it's like the naval of the world, Easter Island. Traditionally, Quebecle-Tepa means naval or Potbelly Hill. Oh. It's the same name. Okay. Very, very odd. And so, and then you have the navel is also the Korikancho or, you know, the center of the Inca tradition. that was known as the navel as well.

So you have all these different navel or something that comes up over and over again. Now this is an image from the book. Obviously, this is hand-drawn kind of stuff we were playing with. And you're interested in like different latitudes and distances and things like this. Now, this is like a bit weird because, you know, we have some distances between sites are bizarre.

Like, for example, a distance between Stonehenge and Quebec-Letepe, is exactly one million Persian feet. Exactly one million? Yes. It's so weird. Okay. I don't know how to make of that,

but what we know is the Stonehenge, the exact location of Stonehenge, there used to be a mound at the center, which was part of a system of study in the solstices in 10,000 years ago, which we can have a look at in a minute, perhaps. But what is bizarre, though, is that the Persian foot, which is 1.05 feet,

is found throughout Gebeckli-Tepa. It's found in Stonehenge, known as the British Longfur. And also, the mile, the standard English mile, is 5,000 Persian feet. I didn't realize that. Yeah. Yeah. So it just gets weir and weirder. And then you can sort of find all these other correlations.

Like, for example, Delphi, also a naval site, the center of the world, is exactly 900 miles, which is exactly 5.000. million Samian feet. It's another one of the foot kind of variation. Not five million and one? No, no, not just happens to be. Oh, it could be. I mean, it depends where.

Right. But it's just little intricacies like this. I find kind of bizarre. We've got other ones here. We've got symbolism from Australia on Aboriginal elders being found at Quebec Tepe. Something that Andrew discovered years ago that from Quebec Tepe to the Great Pyramid is exactly 180 kilometers, which is an interesting number, because

108 is a lunar number. It's also a processional number. We find distances between sites around the world. And you could just go on and on and on. You can keep finding correlations here. And actually, Jericho's interesting. It's exactly two million Saxon feet away. Now, whether they were counting in millions, right, is a whole other story. It's probably based upon certain mile lengths anyway, which the Saxon foot may have been used within, or Santa Samian foot in some cases. So yeah, you can go on and on with this. It's pretty, yeah, I cover that in the book, obviously. I see you have the ballback stone there. There's an angle correlation? There is an interesting angle correlation, actually. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the one

where we saw in a slightly early image. I'll just sort of find that. This is, I think, the biggest quarried stone ever. Yeah, well, the largest one they found relatively recently is 1,650 tons. I think I've got some images of Bellback here. And this is actually it here, yeah. So, so we have the one on top, which has none of the text on it. That is, that's the stone of the pregnant woman. That's about 1,000 tons. Yeah, just a thousand tons. That's all. And the one beneath it, they found to be like 1,650 tons. It hasn't been moved. It's still in position,

so they may not have ever got around to moving or they may have been chopped into smaller areas. But there's other ones in the whole area. We've got references to giants building these. Here's an article I wrote years ago for Atlanta's Rising magazine. But this is one of the stones in the temple itself because there's like a giant platform there. Here's some other stones.

You can see me standing down there. These are down north. side. Any theories on how those big stones got into place? Giants. Giants. That's the only theory. I'm on board.

And there's me as well standing there. This is like the trillith on the three megastones, which are about 800 tons each. So these are smaller than the ones found in the quarry. But still, my God, I mean, it's a serious operation. You can't really mess with that. And the alignment, this is something that Howard Crowhurst came up with, which absolutely fascinated me. And I've actually included it in the book as well. This is the Quebecli-Tepae to Belbeck, the three-two square alignment.

This is based upon his system of modular geometry, which is using squares, north-south, east, west, the left and right of each other. And then you work at what the angles are between three to four, five squares. And they're always, very meaningful angles, very meaningful. And they often relate to solstices, which is where his work is focused on in Brittany and in Britain. But he's now applying it to Tass Tepela sites as well. We're starting to look at that. We found golden section angles with the solstice at Carahan-Tepa, for instance, which we're going to look at.

Gold is like the golden ratio? Like fee? Yeah. It's really, really odd. And how about Fibonacci numbers? It does show up? As far as I'm aware, not yet, but we're, you know, leave it with us. We're going to keep looking.

I bet they do. So this is fascinating. So this is the Quebec-Tepi to Balbek angle. And the thing about Balbek as well is that the area is built upon is an old tell or an old tepe. Yeah. So this could go back thousands and thousands of years anyway. And it was originally a kind of outpost of Quebec Litepe.

No tea pillars or anything, but certainly something was there. It was an occupational mound. That's what they call them. People living in it around that mound. And then there's Phoenician evidence there. There's Roman evidence. But it's claimed that the Romans built the whole thing.

But there's no evidence of Romans moving thousand ton stones to create a platform to build their temple upon. It's almost like they found it like that and then built upon it. This is more likely. And so, yeah, you can just go in to Belbeck was one of the most, my God, it was one of the mind-blowing things I've ever seen in my life, I think. But there's so many more sites here. Let me just look at some of the sites in Tass Teppel.

I think your watchers. Listen, I can't call them watches. Everything goes back to Enoch. Yes, appropriate in the biblical text there. So this is Seyberch. Now, you're talking about numbers, we're getting into all the night. So one of the things about the name Say Birch, which really caught my, I mean, I literally worked this out on a bus and a translator when I was in Turkey. And say, what does Sayberch mean?

And say means counting. Birch means sign of the zodiac or Burke in Kurdish means tower or watchtower. And we found out from, this is like one of the main test tabula sites they're now excavating. we found out that there used to be an old Jericho-like tower at Saberch they got destroyed in this manner in the Second World War Wow yeah and so that's actually hidden in the name And so this is clearly so this is this is a scan of the enclosure I love these this is about 30 feet wide or thereabouts

32 feet effect I've actually done some number work on this I found sacred measurements But if we go on you can actually see a different view of it You see there's a hole carved into it there. Yes. We find this in quite a few of the sites now. And there's good evidence that these may have been early forms of Shiva Lingams. What's a Shiva Lingam?

This is an ancient kind of traditional Indian or Southeast Asian installation, stone installation of a phallus type kind of lingam. And then the yoni-shaped bowl. I don't know how I've written a whole chapter about this actually. But Sayberch is interesting because the geometry of this enclosure is the same as what we're finding in the British stone circles. Same we're finding at Quebec Leitepe. You can see this, this is one of the egg shapes. Very specific. Do you find these in ancient Indian sites as well?

I haven't probably looked just yet, but the whole Vedic connection with this part of the world is very, very interesting. We're looking into that more and more. But Sayberts, this is one of the key sites. And one of the interesting things about this. as well is that this is right next to look here right see that on the left there you got all the kind of rock you know rock cut square cut area that essentially is a roman quarry okay they got that close to this enclosure but didn't destroy it or harm it in any way and so much so that just where that roman quarry is talking 2000 years ago there's this little area here which they didn't touch and this is an ancient

Tastebler carving is this one here. So this is like a serpent head kind of shape with all this dots and kind of symbolism around it could be something to do with a serpent or leopard

we don't know. But they left that alone and then stopped quarrying there. So there's a theory which I'm putting forward that the Romans discovered Taz Teppala. Wow.

Because there's a Roman quarry very close to Carrahan-Tepa on the opposite hill. There's a Roman quarry not too far from another big one right next to Sayberch itself on another hill and there's also one Nigabekli Tepe as well and so this is odd so there's a good chance and I'm sure if I scan through any old

Roman Latin text we're going to find something you they found certain things yeah they would have documented this have you been able to date those quarries so we know when in the empire that happened no no I'm going to this is something I haven't looked into yet but it's just that this anomaly here at Sayberch really caught my attention because you could see someone like Hadrian would have been respectful of these old ones this is what I mean there seems to be this respect because they weren't destroying anything.

They were getting right up close to it and when they saw something they stepped back and left it alone and probably just thought leave that. They don't want to mess with the spirits

or anything like this. So this is like what's happening at Sabreberg. They started excavating this a couple of years ago. Giant megaliths, rock cut zones, big U-shaped stones as well as T-shaped.

This head was found we knew about this months ago before we got announced to the public but we had to keep quiet about it in respect to the family member who told us about it like C3PO looking dude and then this is what it actually looks like in full

they've actually found this the rest of the statue very bizarre looking thing so we see that V shape quite a bit don't we we're gonna see yeah you see the V neck thing quite a bit and if you look at his mouth it looks like it's sort of being sewn up and his eyes look a bit like what people call

mollusk shells. This is a tradition in the Levant burial where they were sewed the mouth up and put mollus shells and then plaster the corpse. So is that a representation of that? Well, he looked at Gbeckle-Tepe, but there's some other sites here we want to have a quick look at. So we looked at Navali Chorey as well. This is one of the sites that was being excavated way back in the 1980s. Actually, by Klaus Schmidt. This is what inspired him and made him realize there was something significant at Quebec Le Tepe from the original discovery there in 1963. But when he was excavating this place, it was by the river, it was by the kind of, you know, Euphrates River,

a stream coming off. It was called the Cantara Stream. And they found these square enclosures. And they found this building on the bottom right here. Really, really bizarre. This is, I've done a whole thing about this in the upcoming book, about innovations of the Tastepa. This is a strange building.

So there was an actual like 16 meter long building. So it was like 50, 50 odd feet. Yeah. And underneath it had these kind of carved channels. Yeah. So what would happen is, and inside the building, it would have these little stones. You can move and you can open them up. And so the water from the freezing cold stream would come in.

Oh, my goodness. And they would open up the little things. And it would cool the whole air down. This is a central air system. This is the first air conditioning in the world. Wow. And so this, and this is 8,500, 800, 800 BC. So little innovations like that that get overlooked,

but if you look into it, you'll hang on a sec. There's a reason they're doing these little things. Of course, yeah. This is the Tarazzo. This is where Tarazzo was first discovered in this region. It became famous, even if they found older versions of it now. This is kind of what some of it looks like. They have larger stones within the cement type mix.

And this is the Vedic connection. And this is a very large stonehead, probably about this big, that was found at Navalituri. It's a shaved head with a serpent on the back of it. It looks like a seeker ponytail of a Vedic priest. This is where the Vedic connection really began. People kind of think, how on earth could this design be here? What's going on? We have other things like this as well.

This is like a kind of wing. This is what Andrew calls the first kind of angel, because it's got a winged robe. but coming around, this very strange looking, it's only about this big, it's about a foot tall. And again, that's from Navali Chori. We have this totem pole as well, from Navarly Chori as well.

Again, another 3D scan. So you have a vulture on top. You have a human figure. You have other kind of serpentine elements to it. Much of it's been broken off. But you can see almost it shows the different kind of hair and everything else and the wings.

What should take on the vultures, Cygnus connection with the constellation. Well, that's actually something that Andrew's very much into. He believes that the different orientations of the enclosures at Quebec Litepe significantly mark the different movements of Cygnus as they change over the centuries. And he believes that it was like a kind of portal into the Milky Way where the soul would travel after death. Right.

Because often these hold stones, Quebecli Tepe at least, are in the north where, you know, the soul would go to. And then into the Milky Way, into the dark rift. And he discovered all these traditions that may be associated with that. So there's a Cygnus alignment, certainly, with these temples. And I think that's very profound, you know, in my opinion. There's also a southern alignment that other archaeo astronomers have put towards Sirius as well. Sure. And they're now finding that in Malta and a woman called Lenny Ritchett, brilliant author,

who thinks that the Maltese temples could be almost as old as Quebec-Tepa, because they're all aligned to Sirius as well. And with the solstice alignments as well, it proves these guys are Starwatchers. For sure. You can't. And so the problem I have is that the archaeologists are very strongly stating these people weren't looking at the sky because they had roofs over them. And I'm thinking, well, our solstice alignment works with a roof.

Sure. Even the serious and sickness alignments could work with the roof because you're looking on the horizon. Correct. So you'd be below the roof. That's where you would measure it. You wouldn't measure it up in the sky. between the T pillars in the gap there. So that's one of the issues.

And so all our research gets pushed aside as fringe research. Yeah. Because they had roofs. But there's no actual evidence for roofs. I mean, over the main enclosures, over the smaller enclosures, the later ones people may have lived in. Yeah.

But they haven't found any actual physical evidence for roofs. None. All they found is two negatives of where wood may have been. only a couple or three meters like what, 15, maximum 10 feet long each. But that isn't even long enough to go between two T pillars in some cases.

And so it's a big question mark of like, what is going on here? Why are they forcing this narrative into our brains onto Wikipedia into all the academic kind of history books and things like this? Good luck editing the Gobeckley-Tepepe page. They won't let you do it.

Tell me about it. Yeah, yeah, I know. And so, yeah, I've not even bothered to think about that. And so we don't know. if there were roofs or not. But if evidence comes forth, we'll accept it and we'll work it. We think the astronomy, a lot of it can still work with certain gaps in roofs, certain windows. Even if you're looking high up in the sky, it stars, if you've got just one window, you get

really precise. You're sitting on this specific stone bench, which is carved out of bedroom, looking up at a certain spot. You can watch the movement really clearly. This is how Native Americans did it in their kivas and things like this. And so it's the same principle. So I think, you know, people have got a look at that again, you know, and like, accept that there could be something going on. And I think Martin Swetman's work has really pushed the idea in the academic world because he got peer-reviewed, you know, scientific papers. Didn't he really struggle to get that published, though? He did, but he did get it published. Yeah. That's the thing. And it went ballistic all over the world.

So that's opened up our research. It's allowed our research to have a bit of leeway. And actually, we're working with Martin. I'm kind of working on him trying to get him to incorporate our witness solstice alignment into his. is Karan-Tepa research because we think it all fits. We think it's the same, his calendar he's found there. We think the winter solstice sunrise alignment, the Stonehead getting illuminated would be the marker to begin the calendar every year, if it was a calendar. And so, yeah, there's a lot to come in the future.

It must be because the Sumerians were so calendar-focused that they had to get that information from somewhere and their knowledge of the circle and 360 degrees and all of that. Well, they also had a loony solar calendar as well. We know that. So this is what was being found in the Carahan-Hepa's Pillar Shrine. It's also being found on Pillar 43 at Quebec Lepe. And so it's highly likely that influences came forth from this particular area.

Sure. So I'm just, I have to pause for a second. Let me just check this. Take your time. I interrupted you. I apologize. That's cool. I just get excited.

Let's just check this. I want to find this couple of these other. I just want to kind of cover this. Yeah, this is actually, this is probably quite useful actually because we were talking about the astronomy. I want to just cover this. So this is the alignments we're talking about. This is on the left you've got the northern sky. That's the main strip image there.

On the right, you've got the southern sky. And you've got some of the symbolism we're putting here as well, which may be astronomical. For example, the H and the O and the moon symbol on the right, that's on one of the central T pillars, like the neck kind of insignia area where the V neck is. And they could represent, according to BG, Siddharth and JJ, that that could represent the gem.

and I twins because these are these aren't just an H symbol it's two figures facing each other holding kind of hands or dancing or something yeah below that you got a lunar and a solar symbol as well which is really really interesting you've also got at the bottom of the pillar on the base there seven flightless birds which could represent plaudies some people say right the seven sisters yeah and also you've got this little artifact isn't you about this big three inches tall of or carved on bone of, it looks like a person looking between two T pillars at the night sky, possibly with Cygnus carved on the bone plaque as well. And so you get all these little symbolism, all this

little sort of symbols on these, you know, pieces of stone. And yet there's no, according to the archaeologists, there's nothing going on there to do with that. Yeah, they say there's no astronomy at these sites. Absolutely. So in the southern sky looking at Gemini, then Orion would also factor in as well. Yeah. And yeah, you get Taurus as well. other such things. In fact, JJ's done a lot of research on what's called the Golden Gate of the Ecliptic and how she thinks the whole north to the southern sky were moving along this certain path. She's actually very smart and got this all down. She's going to be putting a whole chapter in the book about it. And so it incorporates all these different elements and also into earlier myths, some different areas we're doing this,

and later cultures as well. And so the astronomical side of it, I think, really needs to be properly examined. Yep. And yeah, this is, what was I going to show you here? Yeah, I want to show you a couple of these other sites in the area before we don't want to miss these. So this is a really interesting little figurines from Gertu Tepe. This is the last site in Tass Teppala, like in the whole region. And they found, the first place they started finding it. And they kind of found one at Quebec Leitepe, but they're not sure.

A goddess figurine, like a kind of full-bodied woman figurine, which were later, like in the Maltese temples, as you can see here. Yes. These are from Malta. These are from Hegahim. On the right, that's the one from Gertu Tepe, which later developed really strongly in places like Malta, which could be just after Quebecli Tepe,

the new dating is now being put forward. But Sefe Tepe is another site here. This is a very recent discovery of these two stone faces carved on this giant, megalithic bench. I was again obsessed with the polish on that. Yeah, I mean, that really is. I mean, the stonework is just, it gets really, really bizarre. Then you have this, like a mace head, carved down a volcanic bass out.

Two sides to it as well. So it's like a ring shape. What do you think, do you think that a staff went in there? I think so, yeah. It looks like it's the top of a kind of staff. It does. It really does. You've got two faces, one on either side, one kind of open.

And then you've got Sayberch as well, which we looked at already. But there's so many, so many sites now being uncovered in this area. It just gets more epic The more you look into it. How many Tepe sites do you think there are? There's officially, there's 12.

These are the, this is like the TAS Teppala super civilization, I call it, but there's a lot more being excavated. There's more of that, even on this official map that came out. What does your gut tell you?

How many are going to be found? I think there's going to be hundreds. Hundreds? Yeah, I think so. Because I don't think this is limited to this area. I think they're going to start finding them in other areas of Turkey. They're going to find them.

find them in the Levant. They're going to find them off the coast under water, which they've already started doing. There's going to be more and more found, I think. I think this is going to kind of, you know, really in the process of rewriting a entire history of the planet. Well, look at the resources that are required here. These are clearly very important places. Very important places. And this shouldn't have been happening back then. This is the end of the last ice. It was actually in the ice age a lot of these sites. Right. That's what's so baffling. Boncuku goes back to when the ice shelf was there, no?

Yeah, you've got, so further, much further to the east of this, you've got Bonchoklutala, you've got Cortic-Tepe, you've got Grieffilihoic as well, these are a whole series of sites. There's even Cheyano's up in that area as well, Cheyaneu-Tepsi. These are fascinating places. These are some of them pre-day Quebecly Tepe. So there's a whole, and these are all along the Tigris River.

So you've got the Tigris River where all these sites are. going back a thousand or more years before Quebec-Lecepe, and all the Tastopolites are closer to the Euphrates River, the two paradise, the rivers of paradise, the biblical tradition. And they both go right down into Levant, into Iraq and other places as well, where traditionally those rivers are more famous for being there. But these sites over in that area are really interesting because at Cortic-Tepa, for instance, you actually find quite small stones like this size,

you can hold them in your hand or two hands, and they have 3D relief carvings of abstract animals and figures and they're 500 to a thousand years older than Quebec Leitepe Wow. So, a 3D relief carving abstract forms. So how is what's going on there? I mean, so this could be where that idea came from and then blew up in the whole of Tassetabola.

So the jury's out on what is going on. Were these trading between each other? Were they kind of against each other? Did they start blending and bringing their ideas together? And I think there's a bit of everything in there. I think it's all going to come to light eventually when more excavations done. Because we don't have any records, right? We don't get anything until, I guess, the Phoenicians.

Yeah, what you've got really is really Samerian. Samerian. Venetians. Even the Hittites in some respects. You've got the Hattians before them. Keeping records. Yeah. And that's it, really.

Egypt as well. Well, Gilgamesh, they say, is much older than when it was written. down could be it could be this old this what actually i think graham hancock wrote an article about that did he that that say birch the narrative scene as say birch is actually could be a representation of the whole gilgamesh story which is really intriguing i almost said holy shit i need to read that yeah that's really so there's there's lots of these i mean so little has been excavated that's the problem we need more when more is excavated it's suddenly it's all going to come into into view we're going to know what's going on does the government cooperate

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of work now. There's Japanese teams coming in. There's teams from Germany, England and other parts of the world, all coming in and working on this project. So many of these sites are starting to get excavated. The most recent one is going to be a Yan La Jollaoyek. Got a Japanese team just started on that like two months ago. And that's a new discovery?

Well, we've known about it. In fact, let me show you this. You're going to like this. This is very interesting, actually. Because a Yan La Jolla was one of the sites that was announced as one of the 12 TASTA tabula sites when it was all put out there in 2021. So we went to have a look at it ourselves,

I think in like 2022. Let me just see if I can find this because this is pretty cool. And I can't find it where is it? And we actually found ourselves, this is it, fascinating place, a T-pillar lying on the ground in a field. There's no question that that's what that is.

That's a T-pillar. It's got a carving on it as well. You can't really see it in this image, but there's actually a small 3D relief carving on one side of it. I mean, it's being like plowed over. Yeah, but there's the plates again. There's plates. We got to know the locals.

They showed us all these artifacts. There's, and they've just started excavating. And we discovered this, me and JJ in 2020, we were just driving, look at this field, I've got a feeling there's something in there. I just found a tea pillow on the floor. Oh, what the hell?

And so that really, that really got us. And then every year we go back, just to check in on our little pet tea pillar. Yeah. It's still there every time. No one's taken it. It hasn't been put in a museum. Hasn't been collected.

Well, where there's one, there's got to be 11 more, right? My God, yeah. That's going to be a lot more. The thing with that, Ian La Hoyac, this is going to blow people away. This is going to be bigger than Quebec Lepepe. Okay. Yeah, this is going to be huge. I think, you know, this map here, you can see the sixth, possibly seven large mound areas.

Where Quebecli Tepe's got like four of those, possibly, you know. And so that's going to open things up, I think, yeah, quite dramatically. Yeah, Ian La Jolla. And that actually means a giant that eats. That's what that means? Yeah, that's the translation, which I think is pretty cool. The Giants keep coming up? Yeah.

Where are you on Giants? Are you a giant believer? What were they? I'm a bit of a giantologist. Okay. You could say that. All right. With my good friend Jim Vieira, we've written a couple of books, one on the Giants of North America,

called Giants on Record. And also another one called the Giants of Stone. and Hensian Hens in Britain. And we are like, you know, we're kind of a little bit skeptical. You know, we debunk tons of the giant accounts that we've come across. We're not like, you know, we're not just trying to, you know, sell a book, you know, for a story. We genuinely find it a fascinating subject. I do too.

It's got to be something to it because it shows up in every culture, every myth. Yeah, and you look at like North America is profound. This is profound here because it's the work of Ross Hamilton, who wrote the book, a tradition of giants. They've got me into all this. He's an absolute legend. We call him the godfather of giantology. That's his nickname, or the G-O-G-G-Gog. And he's based in Ohio, so he's in that whole area.

And it was his book that really blew my mind because he uncovered hundreds of accounts, but we've uncovered thousands of accounts now. We feature only 250 in our book, 250, but even then we knew of 1,000. Accounts from newspapers. Yeah, newspapers, academic journals, doctors reports, you know, people who just dig them up, send them to the Smithsonian never to be seen again.

Then they disappear, right. Then even the Smithsonian's own annual reports, they published every year or two. Some of them are in there, up to seven feet, eight feet tall. I didn't know that. Yeah, actually, and we've done a whole chapter called the Smithsonian Files in the book, just to cover that. Obviously, Nevada has a whole load. You know, we've looked into Lovelock Cave. Right, the Red Hair Giants.

Yeah, the Winnamucker, Petrogles. cliffs and things like that, which are 14 or more thousand years old, which are pretty mind-blowing. But really, it's the mound culture where the real giants are, and the Adina people especially. But up in New York State, we found loads, up in New England, all the megalithic chambers you have up there, it is mental. It's mind-blowing. I cannot quite understand. Maybe you correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought, like, the ancient word for Stonehenge of something about giants in the early, early days. It was called the Giants Dance.

It was called that that's what it was. Or in Welsh, the choir gigantum. Corio Gigantum. A lot of coincidences. In Malta, we talked about giants building out that. Yeah. Inoc has the book of giants. You got the goddess Sanzuna in Moldza.

But with Stonehenge, though. Yeah. So you have this giant myth story that kind of like the giants built stonehenge. They originally, this is all from the history of the Kings of Britain by Jeffrey of Monmouth, 12th century document, that the stones were originally. taken to island and they were placed there at a cycle killeroose and then much later king ambrosius who was the kind of king at the time sent utha pendragon over with a 15,000 strong army to go and collect the stones of killer use the giants dance and bring them to the Salisbury plain to raise it the

stones in an in honor of the slain victims of a war that had taken place but they couldn't do it the 15,000 strong army couldn't move one stone. So they had to send Merlin, the magician, over there. I love this story. He went and got them by using slight or magic in some stories, or pulleers and technology and other stories. And so somehow, and he did it on his own and brought them over to Salisbury Plain.

That's the story. But originally the stones had come from the furthest reaches of Africa and bought over by a race of giants at the very first phase of this. Has that geology been conferred? Well, they've actually found trillathons in Libya. Actual trillathons, actually megalithic what looked like Stonehenge, which is bizarre. There's myths of giants in that area as well. But there's more stories of giants around Stonehenge.

One of them is a book that was written in 1666 called A Fool's Bolt Soon Shot at Stonehenge by Reverend Robert Gay, he was his name. He lived in Somerset. And he was a bit of an an an anecdote. for his time but he wrote this book and he found out these old legends of stonehenge that it was actually built by a tribe of giants called the kangik giants this is all in the book so yeah yeah we cover all this in the book and um and that they had built it as an as a place to honor their dead as well but also there's actual giant accounts actually giant burials were found near stonehenge skeletons large skeletons yeah in 1719 just in a mound called the giant's grave

in Salisbury, which is a few miles south of Stonehenge, they found a nine-foot-four-inch skeleton, and it was reported in numerous newspapers at the time. Before that, in the early 1500s, Sir Thomas Elliott, he was the gentleman who wrote the first Latin dictionary. He was a well-known scholar, educated at Cambridge, places like this. He discovered a 14-foot-10-inch skeleton in a log coffin in the grounds of what,

became known as some kind of abbey in the area, but it was obviously a much earlier barrel, very, very, very, very deep in the ground. And it had this strange metal disc with all these inscriptions on it. And also this book with these inscriptions on it. Where is this? This is near Stonehenge. I mean, do these artifacts still exist?

No, they disappeared within a few years. But this was reported on by very, very famous, I mean, Thomas Elliott is a well-known. Yes, he is. Well-known guy. And so there's lots of people went and witnessed this and reported on. on it, but the range of height went from 12 foot 10 inches to 14 foot 10 inches. It changed for different accounts.

But this was documented and it was like, how can this be ignored? No one knows about this. And it's in all these old books. Then, you know, this is inscriptions on it. No one knows what they were or what happened to the, they called it a tin and lead disc somehow. They knew it was made of tin and had all these descriptions on it. But the skeleton crumbled to dust and that was the end of that. But very odd.

And then you have, if you actually go to Salisbury now, this is like the city near where I live, in the museum there, they have a giant on display. No, not a skeleton. This is like a paper mashay giant. Okay. But the thing is, this is part of an old tradition where the giant, since the 1400s,

the secret societies in this area, the Taylor's Guild and other such things, they were parade of this giant around the time, town just after the summer solstle on St. John the Baptist Day and then have this hobby horse following it around all clearing the path so it wouldn't fall on people. And this was going on since the 1400s. And he became known as St. Christopher. Now, for those of no biblical saints, you'll know that St. Christopher was a canonite giant from the Bible lands. That's right. Who carried Jesus over on his shoulder across a river when Jesus was a baby. And,

turned away from this whole kind of warrior cast that he was involved with with the canonites and became like this you know a Christian if you like and uh but how is all this connected all these weird stories connect and we go into it in great detail in the book obviously

we'd kind of uncover all these old texts and kind of piece it all together because there's it seems to be this canonite biblical story connected with stonehenge could this be nephalum as a Nephlem actually on earth could be

who knows? I mean, it gets, I mean, there's a lot of accounts in Wiltshire and the southeast, sorry,

the southwest of England when it comes to that. But, you know, what I'm on the subject of Stonehenge, I mean, I want to just mention this because this is really interesting. It fits back in with what we were talking about.

So we have Stonehenge here. This is an aerial photograph on the summer solstice. You can see the way that the light from the stone on the far right there, you know, kind of, it's like a kind of phallic shadow

penetrating the kind of feminine circle and things like this. It's all like symbolic. But this solstice alignment, the famous summer solstice alignment, a Stonehenge, is a much older one there. It goes back 10,000 years. So this is why I think the Quebec Leitepe, you know, explorers were coming to this part of the world.

Right. Because they found these 10,000-year-old large pine post holes. Where the car park used to be, It used to be three blobs of paint in a car park. Is it an artist's impression of what they would have looked like? It could have been up to 30 feet tall. And they know it was pine. They found charcoal and dated it.

They estimated the height based upon the width and depth. And these were east-west, more or less. And they were within 30 yards of Stonehenge where it is now. But also, in Stonehenge, you have, I have to explain this a little bit, in Stonehenge, you've got the right at the bottom there, you've got the Stonehenge circle, but in there they found this mound, which was 10,000 years, that was 5,000 years before Stonehenge was built. It was like, they found this mesolithic kind of stuff inside that, which is basically,

it means that age before the Neolithic. But then they found from there, along going to the northeast, they found these parallel ridges called periglacial strips. These are natural features, but if you're inside at that mound, looking down these natural features, it's the summer solstice sunrise. Yeah, which is really interesting. And then at the far bottom of the hill, there's another mound was constructed called Newell's Mound. Based upon the guy who found it.

But then later, that was all happening. 10,000 years ago, they may have been looking at the solstice. And the opposite direction is to witness, solstice sunset. Right. But then later, they create Stonehands around this mound. And where the periglacial strips, are, they build, they carve out an avenue going in exactly the same direction. And now that's the one everyone celebrates for the summer solstice.

So this was happening. 5,000 years earlier, they were probably studying the summer solstice at Stonehenge before any stones were put in place. And it's now known, the Amesbury, right where I live, this whole area. This is the oldest continually inhabited area of the whole of Britain. There's a cycle, Blickmead, just down the road from there, which was a known kind of gathering site. There's a spring there.

Dr. David Jucks is brilliant archaeologists. I know him personally. I've been to a few digs they found. They actually found evidence going older than that now in the area. In Amesbury, they found going back 12,000 years ago, not just 10,000. So that puts it right into the frame of Quebec. So they were doing the solstice here 10,000 years ago at least. Possibly.

Could have been earlier. Now they found these earlier dates. Because we keep running up against, almost feels like a hard limit of the ice age. Yeah. It feels like we can't get too far beyond that. Yeah, that is because, especially in the northern climate here, you're going to have a lot of ice. Yeah. But the thing is, you have, I forget the name, you have the kind of the warm, the warm strips of heat coming over from the Atlantic and everything, warming things up in Britain.

Still what happens today. And so a lot of. of England would have been cleared of ice by the end of the last ice age. And so they could have got to Stonehenge easily. They could have got, because it would have been joined to Europe because of Doggerland. That's right. So they could have walked there. And that was, that was French theory for a long time. I know. They found habitation there. But what they found as well is, I'm not sure if I got it here. Yeah. So this is now, this is actually one of my photos from the summer solstice. That's the alignment going. It's all covered in mist, the avenue. But it's pretty beautiful. Yeah.

Beautiful experience doing that. And, okay, let me just find this one image because what they found is if you go, even if you go further north, much further north than Stonehenge, you can go all the way up to, should be here, there it is, yeah. So you can go all the way up to Aberdeenshire. And this area here would have been just free of ice at the end of the last, you know, towards the end of the last ice age. year. And Professor Vince Gaffney, he came and spoke at our conference, partly about this. They found another site there called Warren Field. This goes back to 10,000 years ago as well. And they found, again, these giant post holes, all in this arc, all in this arc going across this field. And they found, to their surprise, that it aligned not only to the winter solstice sunrise,

but it also marked the different moon phases. So it was like a little. It was like a little. lunar calendar. Somehow they encoded that. They called it the kind of of Warrenfield Time Reckoner, which is a pretty cool name. It is. And they were doing that 10,000 years ago. They were measuring the moon and the sun on the winter solstice.

And so to me, I have to question, who would be doing this? Unless there was a project in place to go and study this. This is ancient knowledge. Tens of thousands of years. So this goes back at least 10,000 years ago. And you've got also that's happening at Stonehenge.

And so the thing is, the further north you go, the more you realize when you're studying the movements of the sun and the moon, especially because the moon, you know, it literally doesn't, you know, go below the horizon when you get to a certain latitude north, like an alkeny and places like that, that you would have easily been able to know this, you could have worked out the size and shape of the earth by these observations and measurements quite easily. Right, just from the shadows, I think. Yeah. At certain times a year, as long as you stick to the same date, you can get different shadow lengths and things like this. And so that is fascinating to me. These are little clues that I think the people of Quebec Leitepe were a scientific research project moving around the planet all in different directions.

They wanted to go as far north as they could. That was the primary thing, I think. And then you have the Book of Enoch. Not only they talk about taking cords and going off to measure. They describe horrific weather, which would have been appropriate for Scotland. That's right. He talks about the winds being born and things like that. Yeah, really extreme weather.

And also like really short, you know, really short days and long nights, which you would get the further north you go. You know, things like this. Lots of little clues you keep finding. And so, I mean, this is, again, we can't prove this yet or ever, I don't know. But hopefully one day. But it's an interesting idea because why were they making all these detailed measurements, all these different latitudes? Because we, you know, the Stonehenge latitude is quite interesting as well. Is it?

Well, yeah, it's very interesting. because the summer solstice sunrise alignment, which is also the winter solstice sunset alignment, is marked at that specific latitude to go at a certain angle. But it's also got what's called the four station stones, like a rectangle around the edge of Stonehenge. And each of the alignments between these four stones mark the different extreme moon cycles of the 18.6-year motonic moon cycle.

and they perfectly form this rectangle and then directly adjacent to that, perfectly perpendicular to that, is the summer solstice alignment. Like it's all just, boom, it works. But if you were to go 20 miles south or north, that whole rectangle would warp to get the same results. Right.

So it's almost like they chose that latitude because it was important to them to make certain measurements of the moon combined with the solstice. So when you start looking at different latitude, you find these different things. You would mention this earlier, quite interested in latitudes. I really got credit the work of Howard Crowhurst.

He's a great guy to talk to as well. He's a mindfield of information. And he's found that they were using different latitudes. In Britain, he started, that's where he lives. He's English, but he lives there. He found all these different latitudes very much focused on. They would mark, when the sun would rise, the solstices, it would mark exactly the 3, 4, 5 triangle of things like this.

Then when you go up to different latitudes and different parts, of the world it had marked different angles, like the golden section, or the triple square or something like this. So all these different ideas started emerging. And he's written a lot about this. He's done it in England, he's done it in Britain. He started applying it to Tass Tepler as well.

And I think we're going to find more and more of that, that there was this scientific, very ancient project to go and measure the earth and study what was going on. And it was probably to do with after the last ice age. It was to do with it because there's cataclysm had taken place, Things had changed. They wanted to, probably a lot of stuff got lost, a lot of sites destroyed, a lot of information went astray. Well, clearly there's technology that's gone.

Yeah. That just disappeared. I mean, but even with these, you don't need that much technology. No. You just need to be at the place and actually make the observations and keep the records, usually encoded in myths and stories. Do you think there was practical reasons for this? Not so much ritualistic, but we need to measure this stuff so we don't go through that again. Yeah, quite possibly, yeah.

They wanted to, maybe it was a way of, you know, studying the sky to see if anything else like that may occur in the future. And actually, you did a video about this based on Martin Swetman's research about the cataclysm, how Pillar 43 may encode that. Yes. And it was like a warning and a concern. They wanted to get something down in stone so they could warn their future ancestors and things like this. So it could be the same principle. Maybe the information that eventually ended up in places like Quebecly-Tibbe may have been collected from the future. these people going around and collecting it from these different areas of the planet.

So it's pretty epic when you get into it. It is. Did you study any of Venus cycles? Yeah, only a little, because that often works along with the winter solstice. So we found that, yeah, we do find that in a Quebec, sorry, at Carahan-Tepa. And this is really because in a book called Uriel's Machine, Uriel's Machine, yeah, by Robert Lowness and Christopher Knight, it's a fantastic book, I think if you've read it. and a brilliant piece of work. And they found that New Grange, and even Brinkedley-D,

another burial chamber in Wales in Anglesey, had this potential Venus alignment, which would occur around the time of the winter solstice every eight years. Right. And it would be bright enough to illuminate the inside of the chamber like the sun does on the winter solstice at New Grange. So we applied that to Carahan-Tepe. Same thing occurs there.

The starlight, at certain times, times every eight years, if the conditions are correct, it would be bright enough before sunrise to shine through the porthole stone and illuminate the stone head. That same stone? Yeah, the one we were talking about earlier. Possibly. We tried to do that in December. But the problem was, this part of the cycle, is that Venus was too close to the sun.

So you couldn't really see it. It was hidden behind the light of the sun. But another few years, you might be able to catch it a couple of. hours before the sun and then you're going to get it's going to come up bright and you can catch a slight illumination exactly the same place of the sun a few hours later i love the theory that that the star of bethlehem could actually be venus which makes a lot of sense yeah and i think this is a one of the um calibration it's not a star is it's a planet but it's a calibration of calendars as well because it repeats a cycle every eight years and it has longer cycles where it returns to its exact position

which can calibrate a longer cycle as well, which is what we know the Mayans and possibly the Olmex were doing as well. So there's a lot going on in this part of the world, potentially, you know, potentially. I think there is. Any more slides you want to show us before we let you go? Yeah, for sure. I want to have a quick look at this. I mean, I'll keep you here another hour if you want.

Yeah, okay. I want to have a quick guy. Well, what we're talking about, we mentioned the Mayan and the Olmex. I want to just mention this because this is like, It's actually a new discovery at Olmecland. Not many people know about this. Not this. This is quite a well-known Olmec head.

This is the largest Olmechead at Lacaata in the Santiago-Tuxler Town Square in Mexico. They found 17 of these heads, but a potential 18th has been found, which I want to just quickly show you. Now, this one is actually from Tresseppotes. This is one of the known ones. But you like the 3D scans, so I just thought I show this. It shows you some really beautiful little detail on it. These are gigantic. I mean, some of these are up to 40 tons.

40 tons. Some are. Most of them are about 15, 20. Would they have been resting on the ground back then? What was the purpose of these? Yes, these would have been resting on the ground. Yeah, yeah. They wouldn't have a necks or bodies or anything like that.

But yeah, these are fascinated to me. This is one of them. I mean, this is much later. This is like 1,500 BC at the earliest, really. What do you think that hole is there for? That I'm not sure about it. I mean, you get a lot of this kind of obscure kind of carvings on these. But what I wanted to really show,

show you is, is this new discovery from Leventa. This is only discovered less than a year ago, and it's not been documented by any thing academically. A couple of friends of mine, Luke Caverns, he went there. I've visited it as well, and we kind of reported

on it. And this is the one remaining Olmec site you can visit is 1500 or 1,200 BC in Tabasco State. High level cartel activity there now. It's very dangerous when we were there, actually. But this is a very bizarre statue that was found.

And it's like a female statue. It's kind of got this kind of feminine yoni kind of look to it. And it's beautifully shaped and carved. It's got an interior with carvings inside it. It's partly broken. But what on earth is this? But this is so bizarre. I just got to look at this again.

Look at this. When you've got an entrance into it, it's almost like a female labia and things like that. It does. It's very, very interesting. And nothing like this I've seen in Olmecland. I've been going to Olmecland for 15 plus years. And so there are new discoveries still being made in places like this as well. Now the fouls you see all the time, but rarely do you see something like that?

Yeah. Yeah, something like the opposite really. Then I had a chance, which is I've been wanting to go here for literally over 15 years. This is the quarry of the Olmecs. This is called Alano de Jikero. And I've been, I didn't know, the location is hidden. No one knew the location. Only one archaeologist who we happened to bump into in a museum

that he happens to be the curator of Alfredo de Gardo at Halapin Museum. It doesn't speak any English. We speak very little Spanish, but we still manage to work out, can you take us to the quarry? And he said, yes. We're like, ah, so we've got to go. And the thing about this quarry is that it's still used to relatively recently as a sacred place. So our offerings are still made on some of the stones.

And there's loads of megaliths still there. Like this one here, for instance, it's a half-carved megalith. So no one knows where this is? No. I mean, even if I had the location of it, the GPS of it, and I went there, I wouldn't be able to find it. Right. Because it's scattered around like several acres in private land, but it's boiling hot.

It's like you can't see the stones unless you clear away the kind of the grass and everything. But what he thinks is found there is another Olmec head. This one here is literally sitting beneath me there. And this is like a big discovery. No one's interested. It's like it's not really been documented at all. And this is a 3D scan I got.

You got to remember this has not been carved yet. This is the first phase of them digging this Olmec head out of the ground. Right. And so, yeah, not much to look at now, but it's the first, you know, piece of the puzzle. And so I just want to put this on here because people, you know, got to realize there's stuff still being found. There's stuff still hidden in places like this. And when it comes to, you know, the whole Tastepaeclacites, there's going to be a lot of, you know, a lot more coming out of there as well.

Yeah. And so I just absolutely fascinated by that. About what is coming out of the ground. Hugh Newman, thank you so much for coming in today. This has been a joy. My pleasure. This has been a treat. Thanks again.

I really appreciate it. Buy his books. And where can we find you online? Yeah, sure. I could just Google my name, Hugh Newman. Pretty easy to find. Also, we have the megalithomania.com. UK website.

We have a Megalithromani YouTube channel and things like that. It's brilliant. Yeah, we don't got a thousand plus videos on there and other such things. Yeah, they can just contact us through there. I mean, we do the, obviously, we do the conference every May. It's our 20th anniversary. You can come along if you want to come to a fancy town called Glastonbury. And we do another conference called the Origins Conference, sometimes in November, in Wiltshire.

And we go much more into the deep origins of civilization, that kind of vibe, a bit less megaliths, but more super ancient stuff. and that's a collaboration with Andrew Collins as well and we do take groups out as well to many of these sites we've been talking about we take tours out there that really helps us because it helps fund our projects because we're completely independent this is like a full-time thing we really want to have time

to focus on our research and getting the books out and getting the research you know put in place and it takes a lot of time and energy as you know this kind of thing when you're researching your shows it's pretty intense and we encourage people people to, you know, check out what we're up to and maybe join us in Turkey or in some other

part of the world where we take groups to. We have a lot of fun. I'm going to take you up on that. And next time you're in, we'll talk about the haunted house you live in. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's a whole other story. By everybody. So Hugh Newman, that was dense, and we covered a lot, and I could have talked to him for another two hours. So let's break it down. Here's what we can verify. Hugh is the real deal. He's been running the megalithomania conference since 2006. You've seen him on ancient aliens, all kinds of TV shows. He's published multiple books. I can prove it.

I have the books. Giants of Stonehenge. Giants on wreck. These are great. Books on Giants. He published... I'll get there. It's not professional operations.

Earth's grids. Stone circles and go back with Tetpe and Karan Tepe, the world's first megaliths. I know it's small, but it's still, it's good. That's good. Look, it's bigger than any book. I ever wrote. Anyway, he's been to these places dozens of times, and he's not speculating from his couch.

He's out there measuring tea pillars and flying a drone while dodging the Turkish military. Now, the sites themselves are well documented. Gobeckli Tefe dates to around 9,600 BC, and Karan Tepe is dated to roughly 9,400 BC. These are accepted dates from the German Archaeological Institute and ongoing Turkish excavations. The tarasso floors, the 3D relief carvings, the bedrock engineering? That's all confirmed. We talked about Dr. Martin Sweaton at the University of Edinburgh. He published a peer-reviewed paper in 2017, arguing that Pillar 43, that's the Bolgerstone,

that that encodes a date corresponding to the Younger Dryest Impact. That took them like two or three years to get that through because it's controversial, but now it's published science, so things may be coming around. Alexander Top, I've talked about him before. He's the guy who came up with the megalithic yard, 2.72 feet. He's found it all over ancient sites, and he came up with that number from surveying over 500 stone circles across Britain, and he published in megalithic sites in Britain in 1967. It's controversial, but it's fun. Now the big claims.

Hughes says he's finding those same measurement systems, the megalithic yard, the Persian foot, the Sumerian foot. He says he's finding them at Quebectepe and Karan Tepe. Now, that would push back standardized metrology, which is the study. of measurement. It would push that back 7,000 years earlier than mainstream archaeology accepts. I like annoying them. He also suggests the builders were measuring the earth itself, encoding its dimensions into the distances between sites. One million Persian feet from Gubeckli-Tepa to Stonehenge. One million even. The diameter of the earth encoded in the distance to peruse Poitansha. Now these are huge claims, and I couldn't independently verify those

specific distance calculations, and his measure at work at the Turkish sites hasn't been peer-reviewed yet, and he acknowledges that. But the numbers are interesting enough to keep watching. Now, the winter solstice alignment at Karahan-Tempe, Hugh and JJ Ainsworth witnessed sunlight passing through a carved pothole and illuminating a stone head, only on the solstice. They've gone back multiple years, and it keeps happening. You can go see for yourself. Now, Now, if that's engineered, and it sure looks like it is, then these people understood precision astronomy 6,000 years before Stonehenge. Now, that's a problem for the conventional timeline, and it's the kind of problem I like.

Look, Hugh's a guy who shows up. He measures things. He puts his data out there for everyone to check out. He's not trying to sell you aliens or lost continents. He's just saying the math doesn't add up with a story that we've been told. And I think he's right that we need more disciplines at the table, like acoustics, astronomy, not just guys who study pottery. Now if you want to go deeper and you should check out his books. Go Beklee Tepe and Karahan Tepe, the world's first megaliths. That's the one to start with.

That title is so big it hardly fits on a tiny book. I'm sorry. I'm just joking, of course. It's good. I read it last night. Start there. His YouTube channel, I'll probably link down below. It's Megalithomania UK, I think. He's got over a thousand videos on there. I've been a sub of his for a long time. and if you ever see him talking to Andrew Collins, definitely watch those. His website is, I've got to read this, megalithamania.co.com. Now, if you're feeling adventurous, he runs tours to these sites. Now, I'm thinking about taking one because he has access to places that most people can't get. Tim Hogan, we had on here a couple of weeks ago, is the same thing.

I guess we have a lot of tours coming up. Now, I've done episodes that overlap a lot with what Hugh covered, Darren Kuyu, The Megalithic Yard, proving Atlanta's book of Enoch. I kept going back to Enoch because I'm obsessed with it. Giants of Malta is an episode. All worth a rewatch after this conversation. Did I get all of it? I think I did.

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