The Why Files: Operation Podcast - 85: ALIEN WAR at The Dulce Underground Base | They Mysterious Death of Phil Schneider

Episode Date: November 4, 2022

ALIEN WAR at The Dulce Underground Base | They Mysterious Death of Phil Schneider Everyone's heard of Area 51. The top-secret facility in the Nevada desert. But nobody really knows what happens there. We have only rumors. One rumor is that alien bodies have been recovered from UFO crashes. Those aliens have been autopsied and the subjects of medical experiments for years. But have you ever heard of Dulce Base? Dulce is more secret than Area 51. And more sinister. If Area 51 is the place where humans experiment on aliens; Dulce is the place where aliens experiment on us. #UFOs #Conspiracy #Aliens 〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰 EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Gino Gentile Jennifer Gentile AJ Gentile Patreon Members THANK YOU MODS: Daniel_Van_Auken jengen13 pratty505 VictoriaY Jschoop Zanythos 〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰 SOURCES & LINKS Bentwaters-Lakenheath UFO report: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP81R00560R000100010010-0.pdf FBI Mutilations report: https://vault.fbi.gov/Animal%20Mutilation/Animal%20Mutilation%20Part%205%20of%205 Kirtland AFB Sightings: https://www.unexplainable.net/ufo-alien/1980-kirtland-afb-nm-ufo-sightings-foia-documents.php Phil Schneider Preparedness Expo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTTYd6JwQ90 Dulce Base The Truth and Evidence from the Case Files of Gabe Valdez: https://amzn.to/3DylYVb The Airforce UFO Cover Up That Drove a Man INSANE | They're LYING to US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJQ_FsmU19g https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/3930946/oscar-schneider Phil final lecture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeu3-9DoUnk https://web.archive.org/web/20080723164059/https://exopolitics.org/Dulce-Report.htm Thomas Castello Interview: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_dulcebook11.htm Castello speaks out: https://www.alienhub.com/threads/a-terminally-ill-thomas-edwin-castello-speaks-out.21550/ Saucers, Spooks and Kooks: UFO Disinformation in the Age of Aquarius: https://amzn.to/3UezW3B John Lear on the UFO Coverup: https://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/coverup.htm --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thewhyfiles/support

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Today's episode of The Y Files is brought to you by Established Titles. Everyone's heard of Area 51, the top-secret facility in the Nevada desert. But nobody really knows what happens there. We have only rumors. One rumor is that alien bodies have been recovered from UFO crashes. Those aliens have been autopsied and the subjects of medical experiments for years. But have you ever heard of Dulce Base? Dulce is more secret than

Area 51, and more sinister. If Area 51 is the place where humans experiment on aliens, Dulce is the place where aliens experiment on us. Dulce is a town in New Mexico near the Colorado border on the Hickory Apache Reservation. Though the town is small, with fewer than 3,000 people, the area has the largest number of UFO sightings per capita in the world. The stories of strange lights and objects in the sky go back as far as the first people to inhabit the area thousands of years ago. Newer stories claim there's an underground base within the Archuleta Mesa near Dulce.

Though there's never been hard evidence of this base, there are quite a few people who have come forward over the years that indicate something is happening in the area. There are witnesses who claim to have worked on the construction of the base, worked at the base, and some who've seen it from the air. There are even people who have claimed to have seen the base from the inside after being taken there against their will. In 1975, a rancher in Dulce called the police in a panic. One of his cattle had been killed. At first, he thought it was a predator. But predators don't do this.

Officer Gabe Valdez responded to the call. He couldn't believe what he found. The cow was drained of all its blood and had undergone a procedure where many of its organs were surgically removed. And around the cow's carcass were tracks in the soil that looked like they came from the feet of a tripod. Next to each of the tracks, the ground was scorched, indicating there was an aircraft that could take off and land vertically. In the tracks, there was a yellow oily substance that couldn't be identified by any lab. It seemed as if the tripods, whatever they were, followed the cow for about 600 feet. Valdez was able to see where the cow had struggled before this happened. Valdez knew this was a little outside of his lane,

so he contacted Dr. Howard Burgess of Sandia National Labs. Dr. Burgess arrived 72 hours later to assist. Though three days had passed, the cow wasn't decomposing, and predators and scavengers wouldn't go near it. And at some point during those three days, one of the cow's ears was removed. Over the following months, 17 animals would be killed this way. All were missing their lymph nodes, all were missing multiple organs, and all taken surgically. All the animals were drained of blood and the little blood that remained wouldn't clot, not even after several days. Soon, investigators started to become sick. Seven people who visited the ranch complained

about headaches and nausea. This gave Dr. Burgess the idea to test radiation levels in the area. And radiation was twice what it should be. And during this time, investigators working at night saw orange lights moving silently in the sky. Investigators working during the day saw black helicopters circling overhead. Valdez wondered if this was more than a local phenomenon. He looked for cases of animal mutilation in the surrounding areas. And over the course of a few years, an estimated 8,000 animal mutilations were reported. Now, I was able to find the official FBI report on this, which I'll link below. And despite everything I've told you about the condition of these animals,

the FBI said, quote, it was consistent with predator action, and there is no federal interest in continuing an investigation. The only predator that can do this is the predator. What predator is that? Well, you know, from the movies, with the face like a scongeal. Funny you bring that up. Where was that predator from? Um, another planet? Well... Oh, if it bleeds, we can kill it! Paul Benowitz was born in 1927. And when World War II broke out, he joined the Coast Guard as a teenager.

He had a master's degree in physics and was pursuing his PhD when he opened an electronics company in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Paul Benowitz's primary clients were the Air Force and NASA. He did so much business with the Air Force that he actually bought a home and established a lab right next to Kirtland Air Force Base. And we have an entire episode that covers him and how he was misled and abused by the United States government. Link below. Kirtland Air Force Base is a massive complex spanning over 80 square miles. Over 20,000 people work on the base. Kirtland also happens to be the largest storage facility for nuclear weapons in the Western Hemisphere. On the grounds are the Manzano Mountains,

and under the Manzanos are 80 underground bunkers, including a presidential emergency shelter. Connecting the bunkers are over 40 separate tunnels, though nobody knows for sure how many. The people who built the facility were not allowed to tell anyone about what they were working on. Paul Benowitz was a gifted engineer and was interested in UFOs. From Paul's second floor balcony, he gifted engineer and was interested in UFOs. From Paul's second floor balcony, he observed and filmed strange lights in the sky. He also recorded

radio transmissions that seemed to be alien in origin. Paul occasionally worked for several UFO groups, including the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization, known as APRO. Even though UFO research wasn't yet mainstream, APRO was a respected organization known for scientifically grounded research. In 1979, Paul attended a conference in Albuquerque where he met Officer Gabe Valdez. They traded stories about cattle mutilations, alien abductions, and UFO sightings

that were happening in the area. Gabe Valdez and Paul Bennewitz struck up a friendship. Valdez was basically the go-to cop for any strange phenomenon in the area. And Paul was compiling more and more data that aliens were real, were here, and were very interested in Kirtland Air Force Base. In 1980, Valdez caught the Myrna Hansen case and asked Paul Bennewitz for help. Myrna Hansen claimed to have had a terrifying experience.

When she was driving to her home in Eagles Nest, New Mexico, both she and her son saw two UFOs over a field. They left the car running and got out to take a closer look. They saw a cow grazing in the field get lifted into one of the UFOs by a beam of light. The next thing she knew, Myrna and her son were back in the car, the engine off, and hours had passed. And what happened during those hours, she had trouble remembering. And what she did remember, she had trouble discussing.

So Gabe and Paul brought in a psychology professor to place Myrna on her hypnosis to see if she could access these suppressed memories. The hypnosis session began, and based on what Myrna Hansen remembered, she had every reason to be terrified. Myrna Hansen remembered that as she was driving and saw very bright lights in the sky, she and her son got out of the car to see what they were. The lights were coming from a floating craft and were affecting a herd of cattle. One cow seemed to be struggling and panicking as it was levitated up into one of the objects. Then she remembered that she was abducted and given a thorough and very violating physical

examination. And though her abductors never spoke, she recalls hearing them in her mind. They said she was taken by accident, but now that she was here, they had no choice but to continue with the procedure. She described their appearance as what we now call a gray alien. She also reported being taken to an underground base. And there she saw body parts floating in vats of bubbling liquid. And she remembered a terrible smell. The alien abduction stories are unfortunately fairly common now. But in 1980, this was very unusual.

Then Myrna remembered something really disturbing. Something that could be confirmed. She said a device was surgically implanted into her body, and she believed this was so the aliens could track her and control her mind. Now, this could be checked. Myrna was taken to the nearby Lovelace Medical Center and x-rayed. At the base of her skull, right where she said it would be, was the implant. Myrna also had a very faint scar on the back of her neck. Now, to be fair, the doctors thought it was a natural growth, though they didn't know what kind.

The doctors might not have been convinced, but Myrna Hansen, Gabe Valdez, and Paul Benowitz were. There was an alien presence focused on the Kirtland Air Force Base and on the town of Dulce not far away. Now, remember, Paul Benowitz was reporting everything he saw to the Air Force. Richard Doty, an agent working for the Air Force Office of Special Investigation, or OSI, was assigned to Paul's case. Doty and Paul spent so much time together that they became personal friends.

Paul showed Richard Doty sketches that Myrna Hansen made of what she saw while she was abducted. She drew hallways, elevators, rooms, and laboratories. Then Doty confirmed that her drawings matched the Manzano Weapons Storage Complex, which was an underground facility. And over the next 20 years, more and more information would emerge

that confirmed not only are aliens on Earth, but they're also working with the United States government. But when did this partnership begin? And why would the government be working with aliens? And for what goal? Well, in 1995, we would get our answer when Phil Schneider, an engineer who helped build Dulce Base, blew the whistle. And it's darker than you could possibly imagine. You searched for your informant, who disappeared without a trace.

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There's more to imagine when you listen. Discover best-selling adventure stories on Audible. In 2021, the Pentagon budget was $750 billion. And since 1996, the American military has received $8.5 trillion in taxpayer dollars and never has had to account for any of it. In 2016, an investigation discovered that the Pentagon was covering up $125 billion in so-called wasted dollars. Now, if the military budget comes up short in a given year, whatever number that is is just written in.

It's called a plug. And then, boom, balanced budget. You try that with your taxes and see how that works out for you. They throw you in jail. But there's evidence that the money is not being wasted. It's actually part of the Pentagon's black budget. In 1995, at the Preparedness Expo, Phil Schneider blew the whistle on one of the most secret black budget. In 1995, at the Preparedness Expo, Phil Schneider blew the whistle

on one of the most secret black budget programs in history. On the southwest part of the Archuleta Mesa, we built an underground facility, a better part of three cubic miles, hollowed out underground. We were in the process of the early stages of building. We drilled four large tunnel-like holes. Some of them ran two and a half miles under surface. The equipment kept coming up broken. So we wanted to go down and

send somebody down there, a human observer, or human observers in this case, to find out what was going on. In 1979, Schneider was working for Morrison Knudsen on a geology team, digging exploratory shafts for a new underground base in Dulce. And though working with heavy-duty equipment, the drills kept breaking. Once a drill punched through, Phil described black, sooty air billowing up through the opening, and the air smelled like rotten garbage. Phil put on a protective suit and headed down the lift to investigate. And on the way, walking through camp, he noticed there were an awful lot of armed troops.

When I saw Green Beret and Black Beret people encamped inside of our geologist's camp, I knew something was up. When Phil reached the bottom, he was face-to-face with a seven-foot-tall gray alien. He said its stench was worse than anything he'd ever smelled before.

Then another alien appeared. Phil panicked, grabbed his pistol, and started firing. And he managed to kill one of the aliens, but the others started firing back. Phil was hit with what he called a plasma weapon and lost two fingers and part of his left hand. And this plasma weapon also gave him cancer. Never bring a gun to a plasma fight. That's good advice. Now, Phil thought he was dead

when suddenly a Green Beret who had followed him down grabbed him and put him on the lift. Now, Phil made it, but nobody else did. Sixty six men lost their lives in what was called the Battle of Dulce Base. The American military had accidentally drilled into an alien base that had been there for four or five hundred years. So now the military had a choice to make. Go to war with the aliens or cooperate with them. Now, winning a war against entities with such advanced technology wasn't possible. So a deal was struck. Aliens would give advanced technology to humans.

Now, what did the humans have to get to the aliens? Well, humans would have to give the aliens other humans. Our United States government lied, did not tell us anything about the alien threat. There's a war underneath there, and I'm talking dead serious. Phil Schneider was an outspoken advocate for government transparency about the alien presence on Earth. He became well-known on the UFO lecture circuit, giving talks about his time working on top-secret government projects.

He's most known for his talk at the 1995 Preparedness Expo, where he revealed all kinds of information. As of 1995, there were 131 active secret underground bases in the United States and 1,477 around the world. All the bases in the United States are connected by magnetic levitation trains that can reach speeds of Mach 2. Phil said that there are seven benevolent alien species currently living on Earth and four evil species. He said that the U.S. government signed four treaties with the aliens in 1944, in 1954,

1962, and the last one in 1979 after the Dulce battle. The treaty signed in 1954, called the Greada Treaty, was signed between the U.S. government and a species of great aliens. The treaty says aliens would be allowed to abduct and experiment on humans

as long as the U.S. government, specifically the committee known as Majestic 12, was informed and provided a list of abductees. The government sure does like making lists of people, eh? It sure does. Why are there so many abductions? Don't aliens know how boring humans are? Well, according to Phil Schneider, at least nine races of aliens view humans as a food source. It's a cookbook! It's a cookbook. It's a cookbook.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Classic Twilight Zone episode. But the aliens don't consume human flesh. Instead, they use the secretions of glands from mammals. This species of alien suffers from a genetic disorder, and the enzymes in mammal hormones keep the aliens healthy. And some alien races use human adrenaline as a recreational intoxicant. Ugh, they get high from human secretions?

They do. Yeah, that's a hard pass for me. Me too. In exchange for access to humans for experimentation, the aliens would provide the United States with advanced technology. According to Phil Schneider, military technology is 1,200 years ahead of what civilians have now. Stealth technology came from aliens.

The U.S. government now has the ability to create special metal alloys, but they can only be created in the vacuum of space. The U.S. military has a device that causes earthquakes. The 1989 San Francisco earthquake and the 1995 Kobe earthquake were weapons tests. Seiko to score, and he fails to get Dave Parker at second base, so the Oakland A's take it. Take it. I'll tell you what, we're having a murder. And Phil Schneider makes all kinds of other claims. He said the bombings of the World Trade Center in 1993 and the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995 were done with miniature nuclear devices

provided by the aliens. He said AIDS and other viruses were created as a means of controlling the population. All right, hold on. I got to stop you there. What? You expect me to believe that a government would artificially create a dangerous virus in a lab?

My friend, that is a bridge too far. Sarcasm? Yes, of course it's sarcasm. Phil Schneider believed that all this was happening for one purpose, to establish a new world order. The alien plan is to completely take over the planet and eliminate almost 90% of the world's population. Ooh, this is the kind of talk that makes the men in black come a-knockin'. That's true. And Phil Schneider said he was under constant surveillance by the government.

He even claimed he was attacked by an FBI agent and killed the agent in self-defense. And he reported this to the FBI, but nothing came of it. No, because the government would have to admit to all this stuff. That's right. Phil was constantly in fear for his life. He said he had 11 close friends all die under mysterious circumstances, but every death was ruled a suicide. In fact, Phil Schneider told his friends and family over and over, if I ever end up dead, I didn't kill myself. It was murder. He was adamant about this. Uh, yeah, I can't help notice

that you keep speaking about this guy in the past tense. Well, in January 1996, just four months after he gave his famous lecture, Phil Schneider was found dead in his apartment. Oh, come on. Apparently, he had taken his own life. Oh, come on. Apparently, get taken his own life. Oh, come on.

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There's more to imagine when you listen. Discover best-selling adventure stories on Audible. There's a good chance that when I fly back to Vegas, I have to drive home. I left my car down in Vegas. I drive home alone. I was scared to hell. Phil Schneider was constantly worried. He told his family that if he was ever found dead to not believe the story, that it was murder. A few weeks after that, Phil Schneider was found dead in his apartment. At first, his death was ruled unknown, even though he had a medical tube wrapped around his neck. And a lot of details about his death don't add up.

First, there was no note. Also, he had enough pills on hand to die painlessly. He also had a gun. The medical tube was wrapped around his throat three times and then tied in a knot under his chin. Now, strangling yourself this way seems difficult, especially in Phil's case. He was missing half of his left hand.

His shoulders had limited motion. He had brittle bone syndrome from cancer and spent a lot of time in a wheelchair. He was a weak and frail man. The medical examiner, for some reason, refused to visit the scene, though he was legally required to. He did take blood and urine samples, but refused to test them because he said it was a waste of time. And when Phil's family inquired about those samples, they were told they were sent to an independent lab and were now missing. When Phil's ex-wife Cynthia went to collect his belongings, everything was gone. Recordings of Phil's lectures, photographs, research, even physical evidence from Dulce Base.

It was all missing. And then something very strange happened. An obituary appeared in the local paper saying Phil died of a stroke. Phil's family didn't write that obituary. So who did? Any senator or House of Representative person, President of the United States, Vice President, any cabinet member lying to the American public is a traitor and should be dealt with in an appropriate fashion. Phil Schneider wasn't the only person who claimed to know about Dulce Base. Thomas Castello was a military photographer with top secret clearance, and he specialized

in photographing sensitive projects. Castello worked in an underground facility near Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, most likely Area 51. He also worked at Dulce Base. In 1987, Castello turned whistleblower, and before he left Dulce Base, he stole a set of documents that were eventually called the Dulce Papers. He also stole 30 black and white photos as well as videotape. There are several things you should know about. I took an oath under penalty of death that no matter what I saw or heard,

I would never divulge the information. At the Dulce base, treason is anything that mentions the details of daily operations at this facility when outside the confinement of this base. When I first arrived, the story they told us was that this is a tri-biotransfer facility with advanced technology doing advanced adventurous methodology for medical and mental gains. Which is a fancy way of saying they do really risky things with human life, just to see what would happen. This is the most famous

Castillo photograph, humans in pods. What the hell's going on here? Well, you know how aliens harvest human hormones for various purposes? I'm trying to forget it, but yeah. Well, these are cloning vats. Much easier to use humans as a food source when you could just grow them in a tube. And Castello was the first person

to show us the different floors of Dulce Base and what they were used for. Level one is security and communications. Level two is human staff and housing. Wait a minute. If there's a floor labeled human staff, then that means there is housing for non-human staff. No. Level three is executive offices and labs. Level four is mind control experiments. Level 5 is alien housing. Level 6 is genetic experiments and the zoo. What, the zoo? Oh yeah. When genetic splicing between

humans and aliens was successful, they would often put the hybrid creature on display. Oh boy. And level 7 is cryogenics and cold storage. Um... Yeah? This, uh, this story, this is a lot. Oh, have you had too much? Oh wait, there's more? This, uh, this story, this is a lot. Oh, have you had too much? Oh, wait, there's more?

Oh, much more. Alien Agenda is the complete takeover of this planet, the killing off of five, six, two, seven eighths of the world's population by the year 2029. U.S. military has known about this for 45 years. They've told no one.

Most of the information we get from Castello comes from a single interview he gave called the Branton interview, and I'll link the full text below. Apparently there were, or are, over 180,000 aliens working in the facility. Castello gives us details about how the base is administered. And there are many different races that work there, and they're divided into ruling castes and worker castes. Well, obviously humans are workers. Obviously. But there are also alien worker castes.

And ultimately, all races report to a single ruling class called the Draco. That sounds like... Lizard people. Lizard people, yes! Hey, hey, speaking of lizard people, now is a great time to pick up a hecklefish lizard people mug. It makes a great gift. What are you doing?

What? Someone's got to do the plugs? Go to shop.thewyfiles.com and grab your lizard people mug today. Anyway, the Draco... Lizard people. The lizard people are not alien. They evolved from reptiles and dinosaurs and have remained hidden. They created the underground tunnel system hundreds or thousands of years ago. In the 1960s, they were made to be more suitable to humans

and other races that the Draco created. Created? Oh, yeah. The Draco created races for labor. The worker cast does the daily chores, mopping the latex floors, cleaning the cages, bringing food to the hungry people and other species. It is their job to formulate the proper mixture

for the Type 1 and Type 2 beings that the Draco race has created. The working cast work at the labs as well as at the computer banks. Basically speaking, the reptilian races are active at all levels on the Dulce base. There are several different races of aliens that work on the east section of level six. Thomas Castello lived the rest of his life in hiding in Europe. He's since passed away, but if you're interested in hearing more from him, I'll post a link to a message board where he answers a lot more questions. And I just scratched the surface here. His interview is the rabbitest of rabbit holes.

Rabbitest? Shut up. Oy vey. John Lear might have had a more interesting life than his father, William Lear, who invented the Learjet. John Lear was a pilot who broke 17 world records in many types of aircraft. He flew cargo planes for the CIA in the 60s and 70s. John Lear was also one of the most visible proponents of the theory that not only are aliens here on Earth, but they're also colluding with the United States government. Lear became interested in UFOs in 1986 after talking with U.S. Air Force personnel

who witnessed the UFO landing at Bentwaters Air Force Base near London. In that encounter, three small aliens walked right up to Wing Commander General Gordon Williams, and that became known as the Rendell Schamforas incident. In 1988, Lear released a document titled UFO Cover-Up that exposed all kinds of secret government and alien activity.

It's essentially a manifesto and I a link to the original text below. Lear covers the death of James Forrestal, Majestic 12, Roswell, abductions, cattle mutilations, and of course, Dulce Base. Lear said that he gathered four independent confirmations that the seven-story Dulce Base complex was real. He even detailed the different species of aliens who live and work there. The problem is not only just the fact that there are five to five and as many as ten different civilizations visiting us. Apparently, and this is from the research that I've done,

at least 90% of them are hostile. And when I say hostile, if not hostile, they have a completely different set of morals than we do. John Lear believed that, based on evidence, aliens are trying to regenerate their own race at our expense. He said they suffered a nuclear holocaust or severe illness that caused their entire race to weaken. This is why, according to John Lear, aliens are attempting to crossbreed with humans. In fact, he said this was successfully done seven times over several years. Lear discusses the book Intruders by Bud Hopkins. Hopkins spent years studying abduction cases and was one of the first to reveal that human

females were being used to gestate alien or alien-human hybrid children. This was information Hopkins learned through interviewing and hypnotizing hundreds of abductees. Now, obviously, John Lear didn't subscribe to the theory that aliens are here to protect us from nuclear war or help us in any way. Aliens are here to use us as livestock, as breeding chambers, and as subjects of horrible experiments. And what's even more frightening is the United States government is complicit in all of this. John Lear ended his document by saying, the best advice I can give you is, next time you see a flying saucer and

are awed by its obvious display of technology, run like hell. In 1947, the Air Technical Intelligence Center at Dayton, the top Air Force intelligence men and scientists under contract, sent a secret document to the commanding general of the Air Force saying that whatever these things were, they were real. And it started out with a crash at Roswell. In 1947, is what the public has been told, something crashed in the backyard in New Mexico, a place called Roswell, New Mexico.

Unfortunately, that's what the public's been told. The military's known about the alien question for the better part of 70 years. And a second crash site that occurred in Magdalena or Horse Mesa out west of Magdalena, New Mexico. And I have found out that the government has retrieved between 10 and 15 factual flying saucers, three of which have been in perfect condition, one of which they tried to fly. And I know that they were reverse engineering. I was never actually briefed on it.

But, you know, common sense can tell me that this craft over here isn't something we made. It was reverse engineered. They trained nine months before they ever flew it. And then they trained another, I can't remember how long, four or five months, flying it all around Nevada. And it worked fine. I'm not attacking the United States Air Force.

I'm attacking a small group in there that has been persistently keeping this from the public, just as they've kept other things. The Air Force has made an art form of ridiculing people who have talked about this thing. They've done an excellent job of covering it up for the last 40 years. We've been lied to, and the lies have got to stop and they must stop immediately. Well, that was a rollercoaster of a story and not much of a happy ending. But what's true? Obviously, there's no hard evidence that Dulce Base exists, but there's also no evidence that it doesn't. And since all we have are eyewitness accounts, let's look at the

witnesses. First, Phil Schneider. This isn't a Bob Lazar situation where all the evidence is mysteriously erased. There are plenty of records that show Phil did indeed work as a government contractor on many different projects. But his story has some holes, like his misunderstanding of military and law enforcement protocols, procedures, and jurisdictions. He said during the Battle of Dulce, there were 66 soldiers from the U.S. and NATO. Green Berets, Black Berets, Delta Force, and Secret Service. The special forces he names are American, not NATO. NATO doesn't operate on American soil and never has.

And even if it did, there's no way the U.S. government would allow foreign military to be present for this kind of operation. He said Delta Force was there. In 1979, Delta Force was barely 18 months old. Very few people even knew about it. The military denied its existence for years, and even now, everything about Delta is classified. We don't know the size of the unit, their budget, or their missions, but we do know that Delta Force was created as a counterterrorism unit. I wouldn't expect them to be on a domestic operation that was essentially providing facility security. I could be wrong. Now, in 1979, Black Berets were only worn by Army Rangers. Now, could they have been deployed for security? Sure, but I doubt it. Now, Phil says the Secret Service was there. They weren't. The Secret Service is a law enforcement agency that investigates crimes. Yes, they provide personal protection to high-ranking political officials,

but that's a small part of what they do. Phil said he lost his hand in the battle with aliens. Maybe. But his roommate from college said he lost it when he was a young man working as an electrical lineman putting up power lines. Now, Phil Schneider said his father, Oscar Schneider, was a Nazi U-boat captain who was captured and then fought for the Americans in World War II.

Phil's father was actually born in San Francisco in 1906. Phil's grandparents were born here too, in Portland. We have documentation that Oscar Schneider was in the United States until 1930, and then he was in the U.S. Navy Medical Corps from 1931 to 1946 and retired with the rank of captain. He never commanded submarines for Hitler or for the United States. He was a medical doctor who specialized in shipboard safety techniques.

Now, Phil shows this picture in his lectures. I have a picture of one of the aliens been working for the United States Pentagon for the last 58 years. His name is Val, Val, Valiant Thor. He's right here. If you remember our video on Valiant Thor, you know that Val was most likely a fictional character created by Frank Strangis for his book, Stranger at the Pentagon,

which was a ripoff of The Day the Earth Stood Still. The photo Phil uses is supposedly his father in the ready room of the USS Eldridge because his father was part of the Philadelphia Experiment. Because of course he was. But there's no room that large on a cannon class destroyer. Also, the Philadelphia Experiment happened in the 40s. The lights in this picture wouldn't be used until the 1960s. And there are lots more holes in the story. And Phil Schneider had a documented history of mental illness. His story sounds like paranoid delusions. He says 28% of the US GDP is used for black ops. 28% is very specific.

Why not 25 or 30? How does he even know that number? The people who work in black ops don't know the Pentagon's budget. Nobody does. But somehow Phil knows. People with delusions often create rich worlds full of specific details. Now, Phil Schneider very well could have been telling the truth. I just don't think so. I think he suffered a psychotic break in dealing with his cancer diagnosis and latched onto the Dulce Bay story as a way to take control of his life and as a way to attain some notoriety.

That all said, his death was weird. If you trace back the history of the Dulce Bay story, you'll always end up with a person named James Bishop, whose real name was allegedly Tal Levesque. Now, the book Saucers, Spooks, and Kooks, UFO Disinformation in the Age of Aquarius, written by Adam Gowrightly, identifies Levesque as the chief architect

of the Dulce Base story. In the 70s, Levesque published a newsletter called Hollow Earth Hassle, which was about creatures living inside the Earth. And those stories were based on a story called the Shaver Mystery, which appeared in science fiction pulp magazines in 1947. And the story took off after Paul Benowitz claimed he discovered alien transmissions coming from Dulce Base. A woman named Ann West created the Tom Castello character, probably based somewhat on what Paul Benowitz said. Now, she claimed that a lot of her information was coming from someone named Tom Castello,

but all the information was coming from Levesque. And you won't be surprised to hear that no record of anyone named Thomas Castello was found in the U.S. military during the time he was supposed to be there. According to Levesque, various researchers would latch onto the Dulce Bay story and then add their own flair, each person building on the story of the people who came before them. And by the way, that super creepy photo of the humans in alien pods, Thomas Castello didn't take that picture. It's actually a screenshot of the film The Sixth Day, released in 2000.

Now, why would Levesque do this? Well, he passed away in 2018, but he said it was his job, whatever that means. We know for a fact that Agent Richard Doty of the Air Force OSI perpetrated a misinformation campaign against Paul Benowitz. And this campaign included confirming Paul's suspicion about the underground base and confirming the drawings by abductee Myrna Hansen. Now, was Levesque part of this government operation? We don't know. John Lear also circulated this story. And at one UFO convention, Lear met with other UFO researchers who were going to release a public statement about what they knew to be true. Apparently, Lear's claims were so outlandish, the other researchers wouldn't sign on to it. Lear stormed out of the convention. You have to get pretty wild when people at a

UFO convention don't believe you. You sure do. Bill Moore, a UFO researcher who worked with Richard Doty and the government on the misinformation campaign, he said Lear was an intelligence agent. And remember, Lear did have a long history of working with the CIA. Now, this is the problem with these stories. UFOs, underground bases, alien experiments. As long as the research is considered fringe, most of the people working in the field are going to be fringe. They don't give out Nobel Prizes for UFO research.

They should. They should, and maybe one day they will. But until then, UFO researchers will be criticized and ostracized by mainstream scientists. Now, me and you want to believe, but there's nobody to trust. We know for a fact that Richard Doty ran a misinformation campaign against Benowitz and the entire UFO community, feeding them wild stories about aliens and underground bases. But later, Doty said the stories were mostly true. So now we're left in this position

where we don't know who or what to believe. We do know that the U.S. government wants it this way. Now, I believe there are secret bases all over the United States. Is there one in Dulce? I don't know. There are lots of UFO stories that I want to be true, but this isn't one of them.

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