The Why Files: Operation Podcast - The CIA, the Soviet Union, and a Missing UFO Blueprint

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 A package sat unopened on Natalia's kitchen table in Boston. It was from Natalia's father, her retired plumber living in Kazakhstan. A few weeks later, she learned her father passed away. She finally opened the box. It was full of pages in Russian, typed and handwritten. There were physics equations and complex math formulas. There were drawings and detailed schematics for advanced technology. Natalia and her husband looked over the documents, confused.
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Starting point is 00:01:54 and it sat in the kitchen. Her father, Valieri-Chino-Yayev, died in Kazakhstan on December 30th, 2019. By the time she got the news, he was already buried. The box was her father's answer to a phone call earlier that month. Natalia told her father that her son was into aerospace. Her father said he'd sent over some things
Starting point is 00:02:14 that he worked on in his career. Maybe his grandson would find them interesting. About two weeks later, a DHS package showed up from Kazakhstan. It went on the kitchen table, and life piled up on top of it. There were the holidays, a new move, and a stack of immigration paperwork. A couple of weeks after he died, Natalia had a dream about her father. He was young and healthy, and he wore a suit. He told her he couldn't help her with her singing.
Starting point is 00:02:39 Then he handed her a stack of papers. So Natalia remembered to open the box. Her husband Jean read over her shoulder, but he doesn't read Russian. I always thought my father was a plumber, a plumber who wrote some scientific papers as a side gig. Then I opened the box and Jean kept asking me, what does it say? What does it say? And I told him, it's a UFO. I was petrified and mesmerized at the same time. Jean isn't easily rattled. He's spent. most of the 1990s in the Air Force, and his job was guarding nuclear weapons. After that, he worked
Starting point is 00:03:19 security for energy companies around the world and did contract work for the CIA on energy security. He'd seen a lot of documents. He'd never seen anything like these. There were 119 pages. Some were typed, and some were handwritten in black and red and blue and green ink. Ooh, four colors of ink, yeah? This man owned a big clickie pen. Respect. Her father split them into to 12 numbered works. The first one was a paper that said Einstein got relativity wrong. It was some heavy stuff. One page had a drawing of a disc with a dome in the middle.
Starting point is 00:03:52 Next to it, her father wrote down the diameter of the saucer, the weight of the saucer, and where the cabin goes. He called the crew humanoids. On another page, he typed a warning in capital letters. This is technology from the 22nd century. So Gina and Talia went to work on the pages. A friend built them a custom AI model to translate the Russian. Natalia checked every line. Some of it stumped everybody.
Starting point is 00:04:29 They even sat with a Russian-speaking scientist from Ukraine. But the point I want to get to, we were analyzing 10 characters, not 10 words, 10 characters for over an hour. Trying to figure out, you know, what, and all I can do is be like, I don't know. As the translation came together, so did the machine. The first page in the stack is pink. It's a Soviet cover sheet. It went on top of classified material, and its color matched a security badge.
Starting point is 00:05:04 The first page of every work carries a rust stain from a steel paper clip. The craft is a flat disk about 100 feet across and 10 feet thick with a dome at the center. The hull is solid silicon. It weighs more than 3,000 tons. There are 678,000 small coils inside the silicon. Run enough current over them, and the whole disc pushes against gravity.
Starting point is 00:05:26 Valieri set the thrust at 10 times the craft's weight, anymore, and the crew dies. He wrote how to build it, too. You cast a titanium skeleton in one piece, set the coils in place, and pour molten silicon around them at more than 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit. The coils have to be superconductors, and he listed the elements to make them from. And he reminded whoever was going to build it that superconductors only work when they're kept extremely cold. The Leary wrote that the UFO has no rotating parts, so it makes its electricity another way. At the center is a fusion reactor.
Starting point is 00:06:00 Its power runs for a magneto-hydrodynamic generator, MHD for short. It makes electricity from hot charged gas with nothing spinning at all. He even picked the fuel. He chose a reaction that gives off no neutrons. That way the crew needs almost no shielding. Yeah, almost is doing a lot of work in that sentence, chief. The pilot doesn't use a wheel or a stick or button. or anything. You fly it with your mind.
Starting point is 00:06:26 Belieri wrote that in a craft like this, a person could fly to other star systems in our galaxy in two hours. And then it collapses the space between itself and the object. So I best describe it as moving at the speed of thought, right? Forget about light speed, forget about, you know, wormholes and warp drives and any of that. It just collapses the space between it. Then there's the water. Valieri wrote that the sun's fusion makes water,
Starting point is 00:06:56 and that comets are the children of the sun made of ice. Yeah, that makes sense. They only come around when they need something. His reactor works the other way around. Water goes in, then steam, then plasma, then fusion. On one of those pages he left a note about a large UFO and a video clip he saw online. It was an orbit near the sun,
Starting point is 00:07:17 and it was taking water from the sun to fuel its reactor. And the reactor needs magnets of its own, much bigger. its own, much bigger than the coils in the hull. That pink cover sheet holds their numbers, 32 big coils running 650 amps for a field of 16.65 Tesla. He also said who built these machines. He wrote that the super civilizations around our solar system never stopped advancing, and he wrote that civilizations are already in contact, inside our galaxy and between galaxies, because they have craft like this.
Starting point is 00:07:48 And that wasn't a guess. Beliare based his drawings on a real spacecraft, because not only did aliens have them, so did the Soviets. Halloween's supposed to be scary. Ghosts, demons, shadow figures at the foot of the bed. But you know what's actually terrifying? A customer who vanishes without a trace. A miscall.
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Starting point is 00:09:31 pictures. They were from Capustin Yar, an old Soviet rocket range. He thought the pictures matched the UFO from the papers. A History Channel documentary had a witness's drawings of a craft scene at Kapustin Yar. Gene had AI compare it with Valieri's schematics. It was a match. And the AI noticed something else. The witness's drawing was slightly off in places, because it was from memory. Thaliari's was perfect because he drew his from the real thing. All the way I decided, huh? Step one, decide which human is right. Step two, decide which humans are necessary.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Yeah, it was just comparing drawings. Yeah, that's how Skynet takes over. Today it's arts and crafts. Tomorrow it's skulls and servitude. Then the numbers started lining up. And my logic was, this shouldn't match anything, right? I should have extracted the signs and looked at it and maybe found some fringe theories.
Starting point is 00:10:31 Instead, what I was finding was millions and hundreds of millions being spent on the programs, on the same science. In July 2024, the University of Wisconsin conducted a fusion experiment. It was the first machine of its kind to hold plasma with a new type of superconducting magnet. These magnets ran at 17 Tesla.
Starting point is 00:10:53 The Leary wrote 16.65. That's only about 2% off. Either Valieri got lucky, or he's right. And it wasn't only the magnets. DARPA is the Pentagon's research agency. I've talked about them a lot. It wants an MHD drive for submarines with no moving parts. DARPA says the new superconducting magnets could make that drive 90% efficient and quiet.
Starting point is 00:11:16 Then in 2025, scientists worked out that lithium, aluminum, and boron could make a superconductor. Valieri listed two of those three elements in his papers. Also, Gene found a Russian patent from October 1990, and it describes a disc-shaped craft with superconducting coils and eight MHD converters. That's the same kind of machine Valera used for his electricity, magnets and charged gas with no moving parts. The craft flies in the air, and in space, and underwater, and its top speed is about 115,000 miles an hour. The Pentagon spent $22 million on its secret UFO program. It paid for 38 research papers on warp drive, anti-gravity, invisibility cloaks, and wormholes. The Soviets ran similar programs using hundreds of scientists and one mysterious plumber.
Starting point is 00:12:23 Gene started sending the papers to anyone who thought could help. Word came back from George Knapp. Back in the early 90s, I got into Russia, met with a number of their defense officials, Ministry, Defense, and others who confirm for me that Russia had been doing the same thing that the United States had been doing, that is, secretly studying UFOs while publicly saying something completely different. He had a friend who was a former official at the Pentagon's UFO office. He couldn't help.
Starting point is 00:12:51 David Grush got them in a forwarded email. Still nothing. Gene even took the papers to UFO shows. Nobody could tell them where they came from. Then in August 2025, a lead came to them. Natalia got a call from Kazakhstan. It was her father's girlfriend. She knew him from childhood, and she was with him when he died.
Starting point is 00:13:10 She also had the rest of his papers, and she promised to send copies. And she told Natalia something nobody in the family ever said out loud. Before Natalia was born, her parents lived in Priozursk. Priusk is a closed military city on the edge of Syracagan, a Soviet missile test range. It's Russia's Area 51. Oh, everybody's got an area 51. Canada's is in the basement of a Tim Hortons. Please stop.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Oh, sorry, I'm sorry. Thousands of people worked at Priusjorsk, but it didn't have a phone number or an address. It wasn't on any map. Civilians couldn't get within 30 miles of it. But Natalia's father could walk right in. She asked her mother about it. My mom just briefly mentioned it. She said, oh, he did some very strange refrigerator work there,
Starting point is 00:13:56 but she never actually mentioned the name of the city. My mom was just not being very transparent. The less you know, the better you sleep, as we say in Russia. Refrigerator work, eh? Remember what superconductors need? To stay extremely cold. And he's a refrigerator guy. Human, the call is coming from inside a freezer. That's actually a pretty good point.
Starting point is 00:14:21 I like that in writing, please. Well, then Natalia remembered something from when she was a little girl. It was in her father's briefcase. It was a pass to the Duma. the Russian parliament. That's like having an ID that can get you into Congress. Plummers don't get free entry to parliament, and they don't get flown from Lafayette in Moscow
Starting point is 00:14:39 to fix an ice maker. When Natalia's father said he was sending papers that had to do with his work, he sent the plans for UFO, not manuals for old refrigerators or plumbing tips, a UFO. Valieri Chertoyev was turning wrenches at Priyvesyorsk, but not on refrigerators, on alien spacecraft, and the Soviets had been collecting them
Starting point is 00:15:00 since 1945. Valieri studied aviation engineering in Riga Latvia. While he was a student, the government moved him out of the dorm and into his own apartment. And the Soviet Union, that didn't happen a lot. He graduated in February 1981 and went straight to a classified posting in Pre-Rosjorsk. It's not as easy to say as you think. Anyway, to understand what he was doing there, we have to go back to the end of World War II. In 1945, the Americans and the Soviets raced each other.
Starting point is 00:15:40 across Germany. They grabbed Nazi scientists, Nazi rockets, and anything the Germans left behind. Soviets came home with two recovered discs. Two years later, something crashed near Roswell, New Mexico. Stalin had his top scientists find out what it was. They told him it wasn't American, and it certainly wasn't Russian. It didn't match any craft on Earth. Now the race was on. June 19th, 1948. It was less than a year after Roswell. Radar operators at the Kvostin-Yar rocket range picked up something they couldn't identify. A fighter pilot near the base saw it. It was silver and shaped like a cigar. The base ordered him to attack and the object hit him with a beam of light that blinded him. After a three-minute dogfight, the fighter and the UFO both went
Starting point is 00:16:26 down. The wreckage went into underground hangars at the base. This was the Russian Roswell. Kapustin Yar took in the wreckage from at least eight UFO crashes over the next 40 years. In 1956, the The Soviets built Sirishagan in Kazakhstan. It was another secret range in the desert, and it was huge about the size of South Carolina. This is where the Soviet Union tested its anti-missile systems and laser weapons. Next to the range, they built Prizjorsk, the secret city for the people who worked there. The CIA wanted to know everything about Sir Sagan. One summer night in 1973, a Soviet soldier on the range looked up and saw a bright green
Starting point is 00:17:05 circle in the sky. As he watched, it grew into rings of green light, one inside the other. was no sound. A few minutes later, it was gone. That soldier later left the Soviet Union and the CIA questioned him. They asked about the units, the test sites, the warheads, and the lasers. And he told him about the green light, but he had no idea what it was. But four years later, a whole city saw something. It was for the morning on September 20th, 1977, a bright star appeared near a Soviet city by the Finnish border. It moved slowly toward the city. Then it burst open and a rays of light hung down over the streets.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Witnesses said it looked like a jellyfish. Yeah, jellyfish, really, I hate those guys. Why? No brain, no heart, no face. Word to the wise, if one of them sits down at your poker table, swim as fast as you can. I can't swim from a poker table. Oh, sure you can. When you play hold them against one of those translucent bastards, you ought to fish.
Starting point is 00:18:05 For 12 minutes, it sent thin beams of light down into the city. When it left, it punched a hole through the clouds. and left a burning red hole. Yeah, they make a cream for that. Stop it. Okay. Three days later, it was on the front page of Pravda. The Soviet government couldn't laugh this one off.
Starting point is 00:18:22 In 1978, the Ministry of Defense and the Academy of Sciences teamed up on a secret UFO program. They called it Sietka. The general staff put the entire Soviet army on UFO watch across the whole country for 10 years. Every sighting went to one office at the Ministry of Defense. That year, a UFO came down right on the Sirius' and the debris was sent to several research facilities.
Starting point is 00:18:45 And just a few years later, another UFO showed up and almost started World War III. October 4th, 1982, late at night at a nuclear missile base in Ukraine. More than 100 soldiers watched seven or eight glowing objects gather into a string of lights over the base. A radio operator saw an enormous oval disk, as big as a five-story building. It had three glowing sections.
Starting point is 00:19:23 An officer watched a smooth, perfect saucer make a sharp and 90-degree turn. The UFO stayed over the base for four hours. Then it split into pieces and came back together. It moved at speeds, nothing on Earth could match. Then inside the bunker, every display on the launch panels lit up on its own. Somebody or something entered the launch codes. Those missiles were aimed at the United States, and now they were ready to fire. The officers at the controls couldn't shut them down.
Starting point is 00:19:55 then the panels just went dark again. Colonel Boris Sakalov Rensyatka for the Ministry of Defense. His team flew in from Moscow and took the control panels apart. They found nothing wrong. The ministry decided the UFO was sending a message. And remember, the opposite happened in the United States in 1967. Ten-minute-man missiles suddenly shut off for no reason. I covered this in the Friendship Case episode.
Starting point is 00:20:19 I debunked most of that story, but the missile failure really happened. Well, you debunked it? Most of it. Of course you did. You debunk your own mother's meatloaf. It's my job. It's a sickness is what he is. Somebody punched in launch coach from out of space,
Starting point is 00:20:35 and you're checking if the guy gets his parking validated. Through the 1980s, the UFOs kept showing up where their weapons were. In July 1989, eight soldiers at Caboostin-Yar watched a disc about 15 feet across hover over a depot. It had a dome on top. It swept the depot with a beam of light two or three times. The base sent up a fighter jet, but every time the jet got close, this just moved out of range. The soldier's statements went to the KGB, and the KGB sent them to the top research institute in the Soviet space program. The Soviets weren't just watching UFOs anymore.
Starting point is 00:21:10 They were studying them. On July 18, 1991, a classified research report went to military unit 73790. In Russian, it was NIT 3. In English, Thread 3. Thread 3 was about how UFOs fly. just like Valieri's papers. One month later, hardliners tried to overthrow Gorbachev. The coup failed, and by Christmas, there was no Soviet Union.
Starting point is 00:21:34 In Prius-Jorsk, the secret work stopped. Valieri packed up and left. When the offices closed, the program's files scattered. A three-star general later wrote that KGB loyalists took the UFO files and hid them, and then the Americans came looking. George Knapp had been chasing UFO stories since he broke the Area 51 story in 1989.
Starting point is 00:22:05 Then a high-level Russian scientist came through Las Vegas. After a few beers, Knapp asked him about UFOs. The scientists put him in touch with a former KGB officer who had worked on UFO reports. After a night of beers in Vegas, George gets KGB secrets about UFOs. The best thing I ever got was an awkward evening with a cocktail waitress and a swim of shame back to my car. The Soviet Union was gone, and people who had kept secrets for decades were suddenly willing to talk. It took eight months to set up.
Starting point is 00:22:35 up, but in 1993, Knapp flew to Moscow. He meant more than a dozen military officers, intelligence agents, and scientists. And one of them was Colonel Sokolov. Sokolov told Knapp that Soviet fighter jets chased UFOs 40 times, three times the pilots opened fire, and three jets fell out of the sky. Two pilots died.
Starting point is 00:22:58 After that, the orders were, leave the UFOs alone. It doesn't matter if they're over the ocean or over a nuclear missile facility, pilots were ordered to not engage. Knapp came home with Soviet documents. We were able to talk these folks into providing us information that otherwise we would never have seen. Some of that was classified. I found out that they only stamped the top pages of these documents that were classified.
Starting point is 00:23:24 So I just removed them. I removed those pages and I carried them out. And if they'd caught me, I'd be in a gulag still. Yeah. Knapp's Russian contact told him that five years earlier, everyone involved would have gone to prison. 10 years earlier, they would have been shot. Back home, Knapp shared what he found with Senator Harry Reid and with the Senate Intelligence Committee.
Starting point is 00:23:44 Knapp's files helped start the Pentagon Secret UFO program, Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Applications Program. Ossap. When the Pentagon's analysts went through the Russian files, they found that same military unit. It controlled three separate UFO programs. Then Knapp said something scary to the Americans. It looked like the Russians were way ahead of us,
Starting point is 00:24:06 as far as 30 years ago. The Soviet program was gone, but Valieri remembered all of it. Then the government falls apart. The entire system that he loved, his family benefited from, and the family has a long history of being good communist party members and elevated positions and things like that. That all falls apart. And so then what do you do?
Starting point is 00:24:34 Right? Your nation no longer exists. he's floating in a no man's land between Kazakhstan and Latvia. Where do you, you know, where do you take this resume of what you've been doing and apply it? Then Valieri became a plumber. And every time he had a free minute, he wrote. He kept the pages in his briefcase. He had no lab, no team, and he worked mostly for memory.
Starting point is 00:25:00 By 2009, he lived in Almaty Kazakhstan. That year, he went online and told Strange. about his work. He had 82 pages, starting with the paper on Einstein. Then in 2012, Putin signed a new treason law. Scientists who shared their work with the West back in the 1990s were now criminals. Some of them went to jail. Valieri did the opposite of hiding. That August, he uploaded his papers to a Russian social media site under his own name. There were more than 100 pages scanned one at a time. Once his work was public, nobody can make it disappear. And people noticed. The first page had almost
Starting point is 00:25:37 3,000 views and nearly 100 comments. One commenter warned him that scientists and feel like his were dying. Delieri wrote back. So far, nobody's touching me. But I agree, it's a dangerous business working on the razor's edge. I'm not a genius. I'm a simple
Starting point is 00:25:55 engineer physicist in nuclear physics and high energy physics. I love reading the physics in psychopedia. It will work. Theoretically, everything is precisely calculated. There's just no money. For the winter, I have four sacks of potatoes, a sack of onions and the internet thrown in. Knowledge isn't sold. It's simply given to people. He kept posting for a few more years. In 2017, he wrote his last words on that site.
Starting point is 00:26:23 Why does nobody want to know? In December 2019, Delieri picked up the phone. His grandson in America was into aerospace, so he packed up his work and sent it by D.HL. On December 19, he was, he 2019, the CIA released its full report on the green light over Sirius Chaghan. And 11 days after that, Belieri was dead. Back in America, on August 23, 2025, the FBI knocked on Gene's door. It was a few weeks after the papers got to David Grush. The girlfriend's photographs never came. The next month, George Knapp went to Congress.
Starting point is 00:27:09 He told him about Thread 3. By then it was more than a report. It was a Soviet program to build UFOs from crashes, landings, and recover material. Knapp released the pages from it. Gene looked at them and saw his father-in-law's work. It was a match, one-for-one. That September, Gene ran into Knapp at an event in Las Vegas. So there I am having my conversation with Gino, and George is walking by and I just grabbing him quick and said, hey, it's a one-for-one match, right? He knew who I was. It's a one-for-one match. He says, I'd love to see it. I sent him everything by email, never, you know, never
Starting point is 00:27:44 heard anything. Never heard of anything back. Yeah, that Gino is not Gene, that's Gino, my brother, who you might know. I know. It's hard to follow. Not as hard as saying Priov Zyorsk a million times. Anyway, in October, Gene spent four hours in Boston with Lou Elizondo, a former Pentagon official, allegedly. He showed Elizondo the papers.
Starting point is 00:28:07 Once I showed him, you know, my father-in-law's work, and he saw looked at it and was, you know, you know what this is. I said, I know what it is. know what it is. He's like, I know what it is. Then George Knapp came up. Yeah, so, you know, he's, he's like, you know, I can call George right now. George works for me. And I said, I was like, no, you know, you don't have to call him right now. I don't need his boss calling him, you know, yelling him. This is Lou Alizondo saying this, that George works for him. Right. And what do you think that means? And that was the comment. In 2026, James Lakatsky published a book. He ran Ossap. Gene read it closely.
Starting point is 00:28:48 Likaski wrote that 12 attachments from the Soviet UFO files were missing, and nobody ever found him. In Chapter 17, James Lasky writes, twice, there are 12 appendices that were supposed to be with the things that NAP brought back that nobody ever found. My father-in-law's works are 12 bodies of work, 12 individual works. you give me the odds that there's another set of 12 Russian language UFO reverse engineering documents out there in the world that nobody knows about. Those odds, by the way, are zero. A retired plumber in Kazakhstan mailed his family of the plans for a flying saucer and died a few weeks later. Then they learned he worked in a city that doesn't exist next to a range where the Soviets watched UFOs.
Starting point is 00:29:52 And his math matched what American. scientists built decades later. Great story. But is it true? Well, the papers are real, and they're his. Priusursk is real. The Soviet UFO program was real, and so is that magnet experiment in Wisconsin. So there are three questions. When did he write those pages? What did he really do for a living, and did anybody ever catch up to his math? Well, let's start with the papers, because everything comes back to those. The story is that these were secret Soviet papers. But Felyer, he never kept them a secret. Starting in August 2012, he posted them on a social media page, under his own name, for anybody to read. Those scans match what was in the DHS box, page for page,
Starting point is 00:30:36 down to the rust stains from the papercliffs. Three years before that, he offered strangers 82 pages of his work. There's no flying saucer anywhere in those posts. And the pages date themselves. One typed page talks about 2004 like it's the present, and it calls the Soviet Union the former Soviet Union. The Einstein paper was printed on a computer, not a typewriter. And that note about the UFO taking water from the sun? Well, in March 2012, a NASA video of the sun went viral,
Starting point is 00:31:06 and people online said it showed a UFO at a fuel stop. The page was written in 2012, and it wasn't true. None of the 119 pages is stamped secret. None has a signature or the name of an institute. The pink sheet is his own handwritten notes on making ball lightning. And he says he never saw a craft. When he gives the saucer's size, he writes things like, Let us take, most likely, and perhaps.
Starting point is 00:31:30 Gene said it himself. The documents themselves don't give any reference point as to the origins of what it is that is being examined and detailed. So the papers aren't Soviet documents. They're one man's work written over many years. And I wouldn't be clear about something. Nobody faked anything here. These pages were online years before the family opened that box,
Starting point is 00:31:56 years before the hearings in Congress, and years before that magnet in Wisconsin. Whatever the papers are, they're real, and they're his. So what did he really do for a living? Only his girlfriend puts him in Priusjorsk, and she hasn't said it in public. Natalia's mother never named the city. His school in Riga published its 1981 graduation list.
Starting point is 00:32:18 His name isn't there. Those lists don't cover every program, so that isn't exactly the last word. Online, Valieri wrote more than 100 comments about his work. He never mentions a base, a unit, or having a clearance. He called himself a simple engineer. The only workplace he ever names is a shipyard in Leningrad that he visited in 1990. So what did he do at Priozorsk? Was he ever there?
Starting point is 00:32:42 Nobody knows. Now the numbers. That 16.65 Tesla isn't a setting for his engine. It's an estimate of the magnetic field on the surface of the sun worked out with his own theory. It's about 26 times stronger than the strongest field anyone has ever measured there. And on a later page, he wrote that his reactor doesn't need a field that strong. So the match with Wisconsin is a guess about the sun that landed near a magnet. In 2026, Gene wrote his own analysis of the case.
Starting point is 00:33:11 It says the matching numbers don't prove anything. Same with thread three. The pages NAC released are a Soviet research plan from the late 19th. They don't share a single phrase, number, or institute with the papers in the box. What they share is the number 12. And Gene has said himself that he's not saying that they're the exact same pages. Knapp hasn't said anything in public about the papers, and nobody recorded Jean's talk with Elizondo. So, who knows?
Starting point is 00:33:36 The Soviet program, Sietka, collected about 3,000 reports. The people who ran it found no landings and no contact. They found a natural explanation for every case. Sounds familiar. Sounds familiar. When Natalia wrote to Knapp's old Russian contact, he told her the same thing, and he said,
Starting point is 00:33:53 he was sorry if it was a disappointment. But a lot of the story is true. The green light over Sir Rhegan, that happened. So was the Kapustin Yard disk of 1989. And the missile base in 1982, an officer wrote that the panels lit up for 15 seconds. The rest of the story just grew over time.
Starting point is 00:34:11 The 1948 dogfight first showed up in a History Channel documentary in 2005. In 1998, Russian researchers went looking for the underground hangers at Kubustin Yar. They found a bathhouse and a storero. And nobody searched the bathhouse? They searched it. That's where you keep lizard people. It's steamy, everybody's shedding, and nobody makes eye contact.
Starting point is 00:34:31 They searched the bath house. Then they're in the storeroom. The 40 chases come only from Salklov's interviews with NAP. And the jellyfish was a rocket launch the government didn't want to admit to, because the launch site was classified. And that treason law. Putin signed the treason law November 2012, three months after Valieri posted his papers. When a stranger warned him, he wrote back that nobody was touching him.
Starting point is 00:34:55 The only death notice we can find says that he died after a long illness. And the CIA report came out 11 days before he died. We know that because John Greenwald asked for it in January 2029. Now, it's a coincidence and it's a creepy one. But I couldn't find a solid connection. So maybe Valieri never saw a UFO. Maybe the refrigerator work was just refrigerators. But here's what we know for sure.
Starting point is 00:35:21 Valieri never built his machine. He had four sacks of potatoes and an internet connection. And every free minute, he worked out how to fly to the stars. He said knowledge shouldn't be sold. It should be given to the people. So he did that. He gave it away online to anybody who wanted it. Then at the very end, he gave that knowledge to his grandson.
Starting point is 00:35:40 A boy in America who loved airplanes, just like Valieri did when he was that age. The last thing Valieri did was hand his dream to somebody young enough to finish it. And I hope he does. And when he does, I hope he gives away that knowledge for free.
Starting point is 00:35:54 Doing that would make his grandfather proud. And I can't think of anything more important than that. Thank you so much for hanging out today. I'm AJ. There's hecklefish. Remember kids? Never trust a fish without a face.
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