The Wolf Of All Streets - Bitcoin Reclaims $111K! Will This Momentum Hold?

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Bitcoin has reclaimed $111K, but analysts warn the market structure remains fragile after last week’s whale-driven sell-off. Key levels between $105K and $118K could dictate the next big move as volatility stays elevated.This week’s U.S. economic calendar is stacked: ISM Manufacturing on Tuesday, JOLTS job openings Wednesday, a wave of ADP payrolls, jobless claims, and ISM Services on Thursday, and the all-important Nonfarm Payrolls Friday. Each release will shape Fed policy expectations and could spark major moves in risk assets like Bitcoin and Ethereum. Meanwhile, Donald Trump has teased a “major announcement,” fueling speculation that could ripple through political and financial markets. Traders are watching closely, given Trump’s history of market-moving statements and his administration’s growing alignment with pro-crypto policies.

Bitcoin had a nice bounce off the 107808K region, temporarily trading back over 110, leading all the pundits and analysts to say Bitcoin reclaimed 110K, let's go. By the time we did the show, we were back under 109, reminding us that it is still the end of summer here, I guess the beginning of fall officially today, and we are in the doldrums and the chop. But will we rebound hard from here, what's coming, and what else is going on in the market? news. I just don't even think about doing research on Tuesdays. I just show up and pray that Andrew and Tillman are going to break it down for me. And here they come. Guys, you better look at

the news. Let's go. Let's go. Do you guys? Do you guys hate that song? enough yet. You know, I'm going to put words in there that go, like and subscribe, so I don't have to say it on the show. Like and subscribe. That is a nice ring to it. I'm going to get Andrew and Tillman to remix that for me. What's up, guys? I woke up in a different kind of mood today, as you can see. So, sorry. Dude, I love that music. I hear it in my sleep off. Maybe three times a week. I hear it in my sleep. Me too. I even hear Tillman's sideways. So we're going. Yeah. Right. That's the right way to start the show right there. First thing, we, Tillman signs on this morning drinking a water bottle.

It's like this long and has glass on the bottom. And it was like, we could just stare like, he showed up. It was like, we were staring into his stomach. Listen, you've got to get your liquids in. I'm dehydrated. I've been working out. It's like 6 a.m. where you are, right? Yeah.

But I'm fired up. I get my water in. By 6 a.m. this morning, I was, I was a bottle deep of hydration and a 30-minute sauna. It was pretty great. this morning. It was really wonderful. But anyways, literally nobody wants

to know about any of this. No. Nobody wants to think about you naked in a sauna 30 for 30 minutes, okay? I was fully dressed. Yeah. No, I'm training for my... You're the one who rejected the naked.

He never brought no. I'm training for my next stadium fight. So I was actually in there in full boxing gear, you know, head to toe, just trying to sweat it out, lose a little more weight. Who are you fighting? I need to. start making bets.

I don't know, but he's going to beat my ass if it's really like. Anyways, guys, Bitcoin reclaims 110K. There it is in the news. Let's check the Bitcoin chart, 109. It took like all of 40 minutes this morning to force everybody to change their titles and topics, right? But Bitcoin's kind of chopping around. I'd like to deposit the idea that we've gotten to a point here at Bitcoin and then crypto overall, that instead of Bit Boy in the Wolf of All Streets fighting in the next fight,

that it really should be Larry Fink and Jamie Diamond in the fifth. Like that's what we need to see. They're the new influencers, right? They're the new influencers. Tomlin and Sailor, a loser has to withdraw their company from public markets. That would be awesome. to the death of Bitcoin and Ethereum. It's like racing for your title.

You have to give up the car at the end of the race. Yeah, but let's talk about the Bitcoin price action. Obviously, you know, if you take a quick gander at the daily chart there that I brought up for those who care, you got the 50MA kind of rolling over, obviously struggling down here. I see this as a deep hope that my algorithm and myself will be buying Bitcoin at 100K before. it goes all the way back up i think volatility is the feature i think that we have we say that but we really don't mean it and so when i get bored and price it in doing what i want it to do i

remind myself that volatility is a feature there's buying opportunities just like you said so if you're if you're a hundred percent committed um to bitcoin right now and you have no cash on the side i can see why dips would be troublesome to you. But if you have a proper allocation strategy and you have proper cash reserves on hand, then these dips may be the last time you get it anywhere close to here. You don't know where the market's going. You can't predict that. That is the age-old fallacy that gets everyone in trouble. There is no one that knows which direction and when and why. That's what makes it a free market. So, you know, we can say there's being it's being manipulated bubble it's above 110,000 you know plus or minus

less than 2% so who cares is the point it's like the fluctuations and percentage swings have become much smaller remember when we were at 75 and we could go to 50 well that's 25 000 points off of 75 like we're not even talking about going 25,000 points down from here but But even if we did, that would be a relative move that's even smaller than what we've been accustomed to in the past. So I just don't, it's, it's really all noise. I like to remind people that in the greatest year for crypto, 2021, that summer we went from 65 to under 30 in like 16 days. Yeah. And all the way back up to 69.

Yeah. Yeah. So, um, well, I look, that was a, that was last I checked. that's over 50% drop. We've seen nothing like that on this move. Even if we went back to 75K from 125K, it wouldn't even be close to what that move was. No, it wouldn't. That's exactly my point. Yeah. There is a, the scale of opportunity in Bitcoin, to your point about that time frame, dramatically changed now. We have options, you know, we have swaps, we have ETFs. We have so many other entities available for trading to generate alpha to do all sorts of stuff.

I've been playing around with some options type of strategies, and it kind of blows my mind. And what's interesting is if you don't know enough about options, there was a world 10 years ago where if you weren't an options guy, you know, you just didn't know how to even start, right well now we have you know uh the type of of tools AI tools at our disposal where we don't have to know much about options you just plug something in say hey give me an option strategy for if i think bitcoin's going to 130 to 135k in the next 30 60 90 days what should i do it'll give you like four different things you want to be aggressive a little less aggressive generate yield all that stuff and it is it is you know even the ability to generate you know six seven eight x

returns on Bitcoin, you know, in the next 60 to 90 days, if there's a move higher versus just spot following the price and, you know, getting a 15 or 20 percent move is really, really something. And again, it goes to the floor associated with where we're at with price. These strategies are being played across the board in, you know, hedge fund offices, family offices, just trading offices, right? It's the reason why Coinbase bought the like of Derivit. It's the reason why the likes of options associated with this stuff has grown exponentially. And it's also the reason why you're going to see smart Bitcoin balance sheet and Bitcoin treasury companies use these strategies as the ability to generate additional alpha beyond just holding, you know, Bitcoin on their on their balance sheet or in their treasury. There is exponential opportunity as the quote-unquote sort of economy grows,

financialization grows around Bitcoin. And it's fascinating to watch. It's fascinating to do the research, right? And it doesn't take long to do the research. Plug in a couple of ideas to chat GPT or GROC or whatever it is. And you'll be like, whoa, they'll even, you know, they'll give you charts. It'll give you all sorts of stuff. It's interesting to see what can happen and what will happen over time.

with Bitcoin and all these additional financialization products. It's really fascinating. Well, I think what you just discussed is where the battle wise, right, it's best dad by far. I like that cup. Yeah, it's one of those things where the MNAV battle is going to be where these treasury companies either gain tremendous market share or they fall on their sword and they die.

And it's going to be based upon. how aggressive they are and the amount of the percentage right wins they have and um i just i think that this chasing of the mnab and all of the financial um playgrounds that are being built to chase that are are interesting i just don't think that they're for the for the most part they're not for the normal person that they're pretty complicated and if you don't know what you're doing you you there are things that can surprise you just like you said as you learn about options trading. There's, uh, there's, it's no different than somebody who's only played the long side of a trade starting to short. There's, there's intrinsic risks to shorting stock.

James Winn? A lot of people. No, no, he was actually, he was just gigalonging into the like slowest retracement in history. Yeah, exactly. Um, so yeah, it's, I, I, I do think that that is where we're headed, but for, that's why I think a lot of retail gets frustrated, because they don't look at volatility as a positive. When you're looking at options, you're looking at it as an extraordinary positive because what you're doing is you're taking high leverage positions at bottoms, right, or at tops. You're trying to pick the bottom in those instances. And that's a very difficult thing to do. And so when bottoms become exhausted or what they look to be exhausted, people take sizable bets on it. And that restructures the risk dynamic of the market. And

it restructures the liquidity pools of the market. And when you have a lot of people doing that in unison, you know, if for example, if we came down to 100,000 retested and bounced back up to 111, how many long, you know, 5x longs, 10x longs do you think they would be? I think there would be a lot because they would be going, you know what, we've retested that 100,000 mark. It's only up from here. And so that would become a new structure that we haven't seen before. So this price, you know, volatility is where really the magic happens if you're playing with leverage. And it's no different than like if you look at, you know, a price chart and, you know, it's going up at a 45 degree angle, but there's all this volatility and chop on the way. Well, if you took that as a string and you stretched it out, the opportunity of the chop is well beyond just the opportunity of the rise of the stock price.

price. So, you know, there's a lot of money to be made. And when there's a lot of money to be made, there's people come to the table and start playing the games. Yeah, this is interesting. By the way, I hate these tweets. I will give it with a grain of salt. I really like Kyle. I know someone else tweets for him, though, but like, you know, if Bitcoin only needs a 1.5K pump from here to wipe out one billion worth of shorts. I mean, this kind of speaks to what you're saying is that people are stacking in with leverage now in these areas because they're bored. But to the tone of these tweets so people know like these are dumb because they imply that nobody would close a position that everybody who's in the market would get liquidated somebody look at a liquidation map

yes people have points of liquidation but 99% of their people those people if they have a brain have a stop loss before that liquidation so well that tweets you're like uh the market's going to short squeeze all these no and they probably have a and if these are good traders they probably have a position on the other side as well so that's kind of nonsensical that said this does show you that there's a lot of interest still in a tight spread around these ranges where nobody should be doing anything manually at all. Could not agree more. Yeah, I think you're spot on with that.

I think we should talk, you know, to pivot here, we should talk about Ethereum inflows into the ETFs over the past, you know, 45 days, just absolutely massive and outstripping the Bitcoin ETFs in a significant way. You know, let's just call it what it is. Wall Street has kind of decided that is the Ethereum is the chain that they think is going to be the innovation chain. You know, whatever we think of it in, you know, the crypto bubble that we live in, Wall Street has decided that this is, you know, this is what they're going to bet on. And I think that's something, you know, that's a meaningful narrative. And there's action behind that narrative.

So Wall Street has figured out what the story is, and they're telling that story to clients. And clients are choosing to allocate capital to Ethereum and the, you know, Ethereum products that exist out there. So, you know, we have, we have two horses now at this point, which are, you know, deeper and deeper embedded into Wall Street narratives. And with Wall Street narratives comes significant amounts of capital that just lift, lift the price. price floors again and again and again. And, you know, I have a question for you. Do you think in those meetings with the financial advisors or where that option is being

presented to them, do you think it's really about the technology or do you think it's about the upside in the trade? Like I would tend to think it's more about like, hey, listen, Bitcoin's had a good run. Ethereum hasn't had the run yet. Put it in there. because I cannot get my mind around a universe where everyone's believing Ethereum is the greatest technology. I can break that down, but not from my own perspective, from that of Matt Hogan, who I had on Thursday, who is the guy in the room having the conversations for people, obviously. And I asked him the exact same question.

And it's funny because for months and months and months, if not years, he would say, listen, we're going to try to push the Ethereum narrative, explain to people the difference from Bitcoin. they should get it. It's a tech play. They understand buying Nvidia. They understand buying Apple. They understand that all of those have performed exceptionally well. So they should understand if they're just not getting it. Even after the Ethereum spot ETF for approved, nobody cared, nobody wanted to hear it. I think when Tom Lee came out, even though his narrative was not necessarily the accurate one, that gave everybody just that little push they needed to start being more open to other things in crypto. And he said now in his meetings,

he's getting a lot of people saying, let's skip Bitcoin and go straight to Eath, I get that. Not that they get the network, not that they understand the tech, not that they even understand what's going to be built on it, but you can say to a Wall Street guy, this is the tech play, you know, the Mag 7. This is the Mag 7 play.

If you're buying Bitcoin, you're buying gold. If you're buying this, you're buying the Mag 7, which one are you more comfortable investing in? And he said that's become a thing. you had multi-billion dollar guys say let's skip bitcoin the ethereum thing makes sense to me which i would have never thought that that's that you know storytelling is the thing uh on wall street if you don't have a story you don't have anything to sell um and so the tom lee thing people don't realize how influential tom lee is across wall street i mean you know uh again in in our crypto bubble we're like

well you know he says bitcoin's going to this or he's been wrong so many times first depending on time frame he's not been wrong so many times eventually price targets get there and then two across wall street his uh you know his analytics firm uh and the research that they do is highly highly highly respected right to to some degree without the negative of jim kramer what jim kramer was let's call it you know 15 to 20 years ago tom lee is kind of that guy he shows up on shows almost every day he shows up on shows almost every day and he makes sense he's smart he has a great firm that is institutional in nature you know on its own and most importantly he's already trusted that was the difference like even sailor had to like spend years gaining the trust of people to explain bitcoin tom lee is the guy who sends

you your research on your trades and he's sending you research saying buy eith yeah i can't tell you how many people i run into that say oh tom lee is my favorite i mean like he i don't know what he's done because I haven't followed these Wall Street guys like they buy his like his business is selling them information supposedly like information that is pretty impartial so when he comes out and says it and he's had I'm sure he's had bad calls but he nailed enough huge calls like I think the Great Recession and all these things that he can go back and say I was you know it's like the big short guy you know I said this was going to go bad but he's been bullish at all the moments when everybody was bearish and that's played very well at his favor because he's

to know that bears need incredible timing if you just stay bullish you'll be eventually right yeah if if you know if you need a mind picture of tom lee in his operation um just think of a couple of wall street movies you know i've been in their offices at fund strat it looks the way it's supposed to they've been there a long time they're constantly welcoming you know big wall street names and firms family offices in there they sell listen they they they were running a huge business way before before crypto became the thing that it's become across Wall Street. And they do research that's not just crypto research. They do trad-5 based research and have for years and years and years.

And I, you know, again, I've been there. I've seen the operation. I know what they do. And then to have a face and a name that pulls it all together that's highly respected, you know, Tom is that guy. Tom may be all that guy, but it kind of just hit me as we were talking about it it may be more simple than that in the fact that world liberty financial good pivot i don't know if you guys saw the governance token that was launched but you know

it doesn't hurt that the president's family built their decks on ethereum like like there's a major bet that's been played it's paid off successfully and you know most of the guys that are probably watching the world liberty financial going yeah ethereum may stand based upon what all these other people are saying, but these guys who had no crypto experience launched their own exchange within a year and have done $5 billion, put $5 billion of liquidity on the table, good enough for me. You should what I'm saying? It may just be as simple as where is all the weight and the momentum focused. And Ethereum is that. And whether it's right, wrong, or indifferent from a tech perspective, you know, there's been a lot of success even recently.

you know, Ethereum's kind of looked in the past, you know, as kind of the past ICO craze coin, and there hadn't been meaningful business done with it since until now. Now exchanges are being built on it. And, you know, that's, I think if you looked at kind of the major headlines that we've all been focused on, it's all centered around exchanges. It's all centered around customer experience and usability. I had to do a bit of a deep dive on more Liberty Financial because I got the call yesterday. morning to come on News Nation and talk about it. And I was like, I better know what I'm talking

about. So obviously, I showed the chart before. It's trading at 22 cents or so, 23. It pumped up to above 40, right? And then you know what happens. Like, there's some, there was a 20% online. So basically how it broke down. They did the sale last year, I think October 15th. It was only accredited investors and foreigners. Those people bought 20% of the supply. And, 20% of that supply unlocked yesterday, but the reason I think this dumped and didn't get more interest to the upside was that they promised that was going to be 5% of the total 100, whatever billion billion tokens. And then their own fund also unlocked. So that was unexpected, I guess, whether those moved or not, nobody knows, but they had a fund investing in it themselves.

and that let it to go from 5% of the tokens being the circulating supply to 20 to 25% being overnight. Mind you, this was already trading on futures for the last week on finance, which I just, that was a chart I showed. So I think actually this will do exceptionally well to your point, like whether it should or not, I don't care. Like I'm not going to get into the morality or the ethics or whether they built anything that's even unique.

I mean, this is like an Ave fork or something, right? I mean, there's nothing like new here, particularly. But you have the president and his son's deeply invested in this, and their state in this alone right now is worth $3 to $6 billion. Well, yeah, well, and if you look at the landscape of all the bohemist exchanges that are coming together, the Robin Hoods, the coinbases, the crackens, the Gemini's, there's really no debts that's the lead horse other than them. And that's the, especially in the U.S., that's a really. really unique spot that, you know, if you could have 100% of that market share or anywhere

close to it for even a short period of time, you would be doing very well. Yeah, I thought that actually this thing would just have crazy trading around it based on what we saw with the Trump token. But it's almost funny, the fact that the Trump token launched randomly on a Friday night after trading hours and was a surprise kind of captured the volume and interest and FOMO, this being so long telegraphed, I think people were already trading the futures and then made up their mind on what they wanted to do with it. Maybe they have a lower target to buy and stuff. So it didn't really get, I thought this was going to be like the, you know, Coachella of

all coin launches based on well. Here's what I do know. I know that the crypto brothers, let's call them, the president's sons are wanting this to succeed not just for the money they they have reputational risk they bet heavily reputational on bitcoin and on crypto as a whole this is their baby and so what what did you what did they say i looked at the tweet of i think it was uh don junior and he said i can look it up yeah yeah it was something along the lines of um you know we're this is not just a random meme coin this is a governance token for World Liberty Financial.

What he's saying to the people when he says that is that we're putting value attached to this coin, that the world's going to see his value. And it's going to be in the form of governance or voting or access or some sort of intellectual value or access value that has not been defined yet. And so the question that I have to ask when I look at these types of opportunities from an investment perspective is, you know, do I bet on the jockey? Do I believe that they're going to continue to figure out ways to add value to this token over the long term? Well, in my opinion, that's a resounding yes, or at least for the next two and a half years. So, you know, I'm with you.

I think there's a lot of upside potential here, especially considering how bad the crash was after that liquidation. But that liquidation may also be an indicator of, that the price went way well beyond what they thought i left something out so the october 15th sale to accredited investors in the u.s and foreign so anyone u.s who is telling you they invested and is not accredited there could be something shady going on because there was a lot of people say hey i invested in people like how but uh it was uh 1.5 cents in the first round and 5 cents in the second round so at 30 cents 40 cents with this thing topped out talk about like a 20 25 x for the first investors, they're going to sell that 20%.

Oh, and by the way, like if you do a direct listing on the stock market as opposed to an IPO, like Coinbase did, there are no new coins and new shares. So if you want to take the optimistic view, like Brian Armstrong and early Coinbase investors had to commit a certain amount of shares for the direct listing to sell. And people say insiders are selling, but the only way to do a direct listing is for liquidity to come from insiders that transparent. commit. The difference is a direct listing. They transparently commit. And there's SEC rules. And here, you don't really know who has the coins and when they're going. And now the government's token, by the way, the rest of the vesting schedule has not been determined. Apparently, it'll be voted by government. So, well, but here's the key issue. And it's just like with the meme coin phrase, it's like if a meme coin creates a lot of liquidity out of

out of thin air, right? And the people who control the supply or have that supply, they choose to sell, into that. The question becomes is, does that capital roll back into the project or does it roll out of the project in my mind? That's really the big decision. Is it the stop or not? And that's what they asked me on TV yesterday and what Dave Weisberger rails about every day. And I was like, I can't give you that answer. Maybe I haven't done a deep enough dive. But this is not specific to World Liberty Financial. This is the problem every token has. Tell me how I make money as a token holder if company does well. Yeah.

Yeah. Or is it just going to be financial engineering and who buys it and who sells it? And by the way, if it's just speculation, I'm in on speculating on the Trump's self-interest. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

But World Liberty Financial, I think, is going to be really, really interesting. I think a day when the markets were closed and were at super low volumes was a just questionable time to launch it like on Labor Day holiday but I think it's good you good well remember too that you know speculation or not speculation in gamification it has effectively become you know a big part of the ethos of just overall markets at large right Jeff Park has talked about this a lot right so gamification continues to be a thing it will forever be a thing going forward with markets so whatever the reason is you know the old adage and idea of value investing the old thought process associated i'm buying this particular asset

because of you know earnings coming up you know in three weeks and i and i blah blah blah that's your you're playing from behind at that point so as it relates to tokens as it relates to shares as it relates to equity as it relates to anything the question is why do you think it's going going higher and is that narrative going to actually play itself out it almost doesn't matter what the narrative is it can be insane the narrative can be ridiculous but if that narrative actually plays itself out you make money um so that that's the new norm um as it relates to markets um and so well you it's proven right because doge coin pepe all of these things they're not small projects guys i mean there were people have been made billionaires out of these projects

like legitimate 30 plus billion dollar. Yeah, many times over. So you're right. I think everybody is looking at these types of opportunities and really just investing us in general with much shorter timeframes in mind, much shorter. I think they're... Yeah.

People have enough problems with my appearance today for me to have a stretchy head. I have a whole conversation about my eyebags in the comments while we're going. Just so everybody knows, I genetically have eyebags. I'm not tired. I've actually getting the best sleep of my life.

What actually happened was that I quit eating processed food and alcohol, as I said, and I dropped so much weight so fast. Now I'm just dying, fighting to put it back on. It's crazy. If you drop all that stuff, man, even no matter how much you eat, you just disappear. Anyways. So, yeah.

You know, here's my point about world liberty. If they take, I've read a headline today that said that they've extracted five billion out of that. I don't know if that's their value of everything they're holding. I don't know that they've extracted any to be fair. Let's say it's 10% of that. Let's say they took 500 million off the table, just like they did with whatever they took off the table with the Trump coin. Whatever liquidity got extracted, if they use that liquidity inside the decks, that's a good thing. That's just deepening the liquidity pool inside their exchange. And it would be a good reason. to sell no different than if you needed to acquire a competitor in you were a traditional company

and you sold stock at a very high price because it reached a higher price than you could have anticipated and you were allowed to sell enough to go make that acquisition possible where otherwise it wouldn't be same type of thing could be like we don't know what their objective is but I tend to lend to giving them the benefit of the doubt as it pertains to it not just being a short-term money grab. I don't think this liquidity is getting completely extracted from from this project is the point. I think it's I think they're trying to build a large decks and in order to do so, you have to have a lot of liquidity to back that up. They're going to make a lot more money by this going up. 100%. That's my point. There's so much upside left. And they have

the leaders to pull to make it go up. So just naturally, I love, there's people telling me that I'm shilling world liberty financial. We're having a conversation about the biggest thing in the market and how we objectively think it's likely to perform. And if you think for some reason, we're shilling it by saying the Trumps have a self-interest in pushing their thing that they control up. We're stating the obvious, honestly. Maybe you're TDS. I'm apparently I have TBS. I don't own any of it. I don't. I don't. I wish I did. I wish I was right on the tip of the sphere as it pertains to some of these projects that he's been involved in and the family's been involved in because if you were waiting by the bedside table when trump meme coin launched you made a ton of

money and i mean a ton of money but if you didn't you lost a bunch of money same thing here it depends on where you get in this is so early in what they're trying to accomplish this is highly speculative and uh i don't own any but i still to your point think it's fascinating and it is the biggest news story of the day yesterday should be well it and and to you know speak to when people have feedback in a world where volatility can be extracted from other tokens and then

moved into Bitcoin. That is a meaningful and tried and true strategy across this industry, right? So if you buy World Liberty Financial at 22 cents and it goes to 41 cents you extract that particular

yield and turn it into Bitcoin and Bitcoin goes to 135. or the next 60 days. I don't know. That's a pretty decent shill. I'll take that shill all day long. Well, it's compounding on compounding. And if you're right on those series of events,

it does not take very many rights to make a huge impact. I mean, compounding, the laws of compounding, if anyone wants to do a little research and you don't know about it, Einstein said it's the most powerful force in nature. And he said, man is either a slave to it or he understands it. So, you know, it's one of those things that the laws of compounding work to an exponential curve, which means they don't look very sexy until they do. And once they do, it's a rocket ship to the moon. And so, you know, I think that what Andrew's saying is if the game is played, and I remember this when the ICO craze was going on, it was like, what ICO is coming out next? And can I roll the profits from one to the next? And some people played that. game exceptionally well. I mean, they were just right on the nail on everyone. Now the options

aren't there. But now you can't do that. So it's like one every six months or a year that people might even have interest in. The meme coin craze is dead. Yeah. You know, I don't think there's been a billion market cap launched meme coin since Trump token in January. I read. I would agree. Which is crazy. Although I guess Kanye went to three and down below a billion in like 12 minutes or something. So I guess there was one that played just the tip with a billion, but didn't quite make it and finish. But so there's really just very few ways to speculate on something brand new in this space right now. And frankly, you don't have to. I mean, we could talk about how boring Bitcoin is.

Hash rates at an all-time high. Like, you can talk about price and we could argue about what's going on. The network is humming along just crushing right now. yeah all of that falls under the don't get bored with bitcoin right like like in the minute that you get bored with bitcoin there's a material move and you could have done one two or three or four things to benefit from that move so so what is it that you're doing what is it that you're thinking about what is it that you're spending a little bit of time researching that says you know what I want to benefit for the next 15% move I want to benefit benefit benefit benefit

a little bit more than 15%, how do I go about doing that, right? Do I, you know, am I taking advantage of a token that's not Bitcoin that will move 30% to Bitcoin's 15% and then taking that yield and turning it into, you know, additional Bitcoin? Am I using options? Am I using, you know, the trading of Bitcoin ETFs and the move that they make to also turn it into additional yield? What do you do? It's not hard to spend half a day, you know, using chat, or whatever it is to take a look at some of these strategies. It really is not that hard. It's very, very simple.

You can be a monkey and just begin typing stuff in there and you're going to get somewhere. And if that's somewhere is you own more Bitcoin and it goes up, you know, you're in a really, really great spot. Just take the time to do it, right? Well, it's an educational tool, right? It's no different than YouTube or any of these. In a very short period of time, you can learn a lot. and it is exceptionally powerful.

And to your point, those tools are where the alpha is, right? Unless you just want to buy and hold and be an investor, trading requires you to shorten your time frame, right? Trading by definition is not investing. Investing is more macro and it's more based upon what you believe to be the intrinsic value of something and its recognition of that value today versus what it'll be 20 years from now. trading is like where's the market going and what time frame am I measuring it on you can't trade successfully without those additional tools in my opinion because the the amount of volatility you

need to make the risk reward ratio worth your effort has to be there that's why traders love the most volatile deep liquid stock that they can get their hands on that's what you're looking for And I think that's why micro strategy has honestly been just DCA. Amen. Listen, there's one thing better than just DCA. It's intelligent DCA, which means buying when the market is exhausted based upon what you define being exhausted as on the dips. That is how you get the best blended cost curve into anything, honestly.

So I couldn't agree more. Yeah, dollar cost averaging, but doing it better seems very appealing. Well, you have to ask the question, like, dollar cost averaging has been the most powerful tool against volatility risk that man's created. Like, that's how you avoid volatility risk. But the question then becomes, okay, why am I picking Tuesday at 9 a.m. randomly to make my acquisition purchase? Why wouldn't I monitor the week with automated tools to pick the time in which I dollar cost average that week. based upon when market exhaustion points are met and based upon when you see volume shifting from one direction to the next, those would be the opportune times to take advantage of that

week's purchase. And that's what our tools at Arch Public do exceptionally well. And they're completely user-driven. So if you define Bitcoin price movement as being on sale with a 2% move on a one hour candle, well, you can program it to take advantage of when Bitcoin drops by 2% on a one hour candle, boom, it's a triggered event, and you added a little DCA point to your cost curve. Andrew, you were about to say something. Well, again, there is the opportunity associated with both volatility and gamification will grow and grow and grow and grow.

And you would be shocked if you had an inside look as to, you know, how some of the biggest hedge funds in the world go about their business, looking for the gamification opportunity on a daily, weekly, monthly basis. And then the tools that they use, by the way, to extract, you know, yield and performance and alpha from that quote unquote moment, right? So from 50,000 feet, you get the Warren Buffett, you know, commentary, which is, you know, you buy when everybody's bleeding and, you know, you sell when everybody's, you know, celebrating. That's easy enough to say it's very, very difficult to do, very, very difficult. And a guy like Warren Buffett and other folks in his position, they aren't sitting at their computer saying, uh-oh, looks like everybody's bleeding, I'm going to buy. that's not how they do things they have tools that effectively take that philosophy and turn it into quote-unquote math all right when something goes down by this significant amount of percentage point i know that there's going to be people that are running for the doors i'm going to capture all that running for the doors energy and put it into my position same thing when everybody's running into the theater uh you know because there's euphoria i'm going to hit the eject button to a certain percentage because I know that's going to benefit my position.

So having the ability to do that, whether it's with tools or without, is the nature of the best performance across any asset, whether it's crypto, whether it's, you know, equities, whether it's bonds or whether it's, you know, real estate, all of those things. You know, you need some level of tools and philosophical commitment to go the opposite direction. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Yeah. And that's the hard part. And, you know, let's talk about a market that is, there's a few markets like that right now in the crypto space. I'd say the NFT markets at all time lows. I think, I think NFTs are amazing. They've been done great. Well, here's the thing I'll say about the NFT market. If we're right about Ethereum, right, how much wealth is going to be created in the hands of Eath holders. And most of the most significant projects, the projects that we, admire the most from anFT, you know, OG perspective, they're all on Ethereum. That's going to

catch some of that money. I'm just telling you, it's too easy. You know, if somebody's been sitting on Ethereum for five years and they pump, it seemed, it seems logical that they're going to spend the money in the easiest ways to not only represent. The good NFTs. Yeah, exactly. The good they've done well. Like doodles and punks, I don't think I've ever lost value denominated in ETH. So as much as we can joke about NFTs, if you own the right ones, they've been a high beta never losing trade against Eith, if you're looking at the compounding. Well, and you have crazy weird companies that are supporting them now. I mean, there's people, there's Wall Street based public companies that have pudgy penguins on. Tom Lee. Tom Lee's a penguin, apparently.

He was like a pudgy shirt all the time. Yeah, well, now there's a NASCAR that has a pudgy penguin on it. They launched a game this weekend that me and my kids have been playing, and it's exceptionally high quality like you play the game and you tell me if it's not one of the best mobile games that you've ever played i've heard that and so what's cool about this is like that's real world branding and marketing coming to life from an nfts project that may turn it into the i mean this is very very speculative and exceptionally generous in in application of the analogy but we could be looking at the next mickey mouse that's created by a community right that because comes at an animated character that perithulates through film, TV, through culture, right?

And if that happens, those NFTs, to your point, I think they have the exceptional upside. There's such a limited quantity of them. Well, we're going to get, you know, NFT ETFs at some point. I mean, you know, I don't know if it's Van Eck or Bitwise or something, but they had a pudgy penguin that was, you know, ringing the bell at the NYSC. Hey, I point something out that just happened that's really weird. Sorry to interrupt, but the stock market opened. There's the SPX and a gap down below support, but at the exact same time, Bitcoin $11.

Yeah. Inverse gap fill. That's an inverse proportion. So as we were saying, as it relates to volatility and gamification, there you go. Not not trading like. not trading like an asset that's married to one another well here here's the thing right so um we just came off the uh labor day weekend right for all intents and purposes today is the ending selling may sell and may go away right all the traders are back everybody's back at their seats

in front of their screens that there is no 40 percent of this morning everywhere in the country everybody's there um so yeah it's just uh whether you like it or not um bitcoin first and now to some degree ethereum um are going to be you know wall street wall street attached assets they're just going to be in terms of price action and so act accordingly right like act accordingly so we shouldn't have changed the name of this podcast. You know, beat Bitcoin. I'm changing it back. I think we're at a 110 thing.

That's, hey, losers. Change the title. We'll change it for a viewbacks. That's what we'll do. It's a thing. Well, think about this, right? So, again, let's talk about arch public. If you're using arch public tools today, right?

So you would have had the ability to catch 107, depending on your setting. right you're working with one of our concierge program teams you say you know what i want to tighten everything i want it to buy it one and a half percent down and i want to sell at three percent up right you're looking at those numbers and you have the opportunity to catch a low you know inside of an hour and then you know maybe you're selling off just a small piece of that when it pops at the open today like you have the tools to be able to do that you can walk into the arch public warehouse and it is a warehouse and you can have setups associated with just about anything. And so that when something like this happens, you have the ability to capitalize on it and not miss it, right? Like,

it's cool to talk about it on this podcast and then look at Trading View and be like, holy smokes, this thing, a couple of green candles just went bizarro world. That's neat. Or you can be using tools that say, listen, it's neat, but I benefited from it in a meaningful way. And I have options now to be able to take a new position, to take yield and turning into something else as well. I'd say most of the customers that I talked to and interface with, they have like a two to one bull bias. So when the trigger event on the sell side is, they're only selling half of what they had entered into on the buy side. That creates accumulation strategy, a very intelligent DCA curve like we were talking about. But when the upside trigger events do take

place, that's that yield generation potential that you're harvesting. And if the upside pops don't happen, it doesn't, nothing happens. You have the line in the water, you've set the parameters, you know exactly what needs to take place in order for that triggered event. And now it's set it and forget it. So to Andrew's point, if you layer all of those, if you just create an infinite number of instances that you consider to be what you want when you want to buy you can set it and forget it and just wait for the market conditions to meet one of those instances and then that trigger event takes place a couple of announcements to a reminder that we're available on coinbase cracking and jemini now and then another reminder that we're official yeah coinbase is official yeah

It is official. And so we've also added a couple of additional symbols. We've audit Doge as a symbol that can be used with all of our tools. We've added Flair that can also be used with all of our tools. So now you're talking about the better part of maybe, I don't know, eight, nine, ten symbols that we cover. Bitcoin, Ethereum, XRP, Salana, Suey, Doge, Flair. I've probably forgotten one. Eith.

You know. Yeah, Eith. There you go. ETH. the second biggest one um so you know the ability what we're seeing you know a lot of our customers are having conversations about listen i want to increase my bitcoin stack but we've got a big xrp community i want to increase my xrp stack and their ability to you know farm suey and salana volatility and turn that into a significant longer hold position with bitcoin and let's say xrp is really

extraordinary. I mean, it is really extraordinary. And they're able to do it across a couple different exchanges too. So they're not having to meaningfully move huge amounts of assets from one exchange or another. We've got, you know, exchange coverage now across a bunch of them that people already have capital on, right? Well, let's talk about that. Let's break that down a little bit more, Andrew. Like most of the people that do what Andrew's talking about, they don't believe in suey they're not trading suey because they well i'm not saying that suey's a bad trade i wish i'd gotten in when real vision was pumping it you know but here here's the reality they're they're using volatility across whatever asset is volatile who cares you see what

i'm saying like if bitcoin's not volatile today something else it else is if xrp isn't volatile volatile today, something else is. So by them setting up instances across all the symbols, they're just getting the volatility that is available to trade for that day. And if you create a one-to-one buy-to-sell ratio, then you're not left with position in whatever asset you're trading. You're not left with an accumulation strategy. You're left with cash yield. You're left with the percentage move that you've been able to capture as a byproduct of that movement, and that's yield. And you can, to Andrew's point, then reapply that into an investment strategy.

You can keep it to trade higher volumes. It's completely at your discretion. But it does allow you the opportunity to take gains and turn them into more gains, which is that compounding effect that we were talking about earlier. According to Zudu, it's pronounced sweet. Swee. Yeah, we get Suey and Suey from a whole host of folks. Another thing that needs to be mentioned, we've been on this podcast with you, Scott, for let's just call it a year and a half now.

And we've been doing what it is that we do at Art Public for almost five years. We've got tens of thousands of customers now that have signed up to use our products. You know, join us and use our free product, right? If you have a question, if you're skeptical, if you want to understand our customer service, all those things, use our free product. Use our free product forever. And now again, across multiple exchanges, multiple symbols, you have the ability to say, you know what, I'm going to put a thousand bucks on Coinbase, use this with, you know, Doge and whatever, and see if it does what they say it does. And it will do what we say it does. And then it's just a question of, okay, how do I leverage these tools to benefit in a market that offers me significant volatility that I can turn into real money? And so, yeah. And the most valuable thing that we can offer you is a free access to the full unlocked version.

And that is what we've given. There is no symbol restriction. There's nothing that keeps you from using this tool exactly the way we've talked about it on the show, setting up multiple instances. across multiple symbols, harvesting the volatility, doing investment strategies from an accumulation perspective. All that is available under the free version. Hey, I had an idea. Can we do a video? Maybe I don't want to give away the secret sauce, but could we do a produced video or here on actually setting it up and showing people

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I was going to lead into that. I've never done that. We talk about it. We have, but honestly, Scott, most people don't take the time to watch produced videos anymore. Some people do. But what we can offer you right now before we can get to produce video done is we've got a team of customer service people that love to educate people on the software. They don't care if you're a free user forever. They will spend the time to get you to a place where you're up and running and you feel like you have control of the reins and that you're commanding the show. If you get to that point and it's not for you, I promise you you will have found the exercise beneficial and you will have seen. tools that you have not been exposed to before. And that's really what our value proposition is,

is we're going to go first. We're going to give you value at no cost to you, and we're going to serve you exceptionally well in that process so that you can actually, you know, benefit from it. And if you choose to upgrade to our concierge, and the only difference between our free version and the concierge is that in the software, we have hard-coded different tiers of capital that can be pushed through the software on an annualized basis. And so it just allows you to trade more. So if you're somebody who's looking to trade less than $1,000 a month, the free product is yours forever. And it will automatically allow you to reset that threshold on an annualized basis. And we'd love to serve you and get you up and running.

Yeah, I want to bring up with the most important chart of the day before I let you guys go, because this one blew my mind. And I think it's highly relevant to the conversation. There's the percentage of adults 18 to 64 have sex weekly or more, and it's down to 37%. it was 55% in the 90s. Is this because so many people are using Archpublic that they're having so much fun that they don't have to do sex anymore?

No, it would be the opposite. They would have a lot more time on their hands and just idle hands of the devil's workshop. So it would have been, in fact, I bet you if you overlay this chart to the obesity chart, you'd find the answer to that. That's exactly what my wife did when you saw it. Yeah.

And social media, the rise of social media. And free online porn. Let's not forget that. Probably that as well. Those are three major movers. Well, given that I generally resemble a Pudgy Penguin, I'm with Tillman on that obesity issue. You know, that makes that. Oh, my God.

37%. That's a pretty low number. That is a great. 18 to 64. This isn't like, you know. Yeah. Wow. This isn't like 60-year-olds.

Just lets you know how awesome the 90s were. I bet if you went that took that chart back to like 1960s, it would be like 89% with no such They didn't have anything else to do. They didn't have cable TV. I mean, what else did you do with? They had woodstock, though. You know what I mean? That would stop.

Yeah. Free love, man. All right. Guys, let me find the actual website I wanted to show you. Here it is. Once again, Archpublic, go try it out. Make a call. Talk to those amazing customer service guys.

They're dying to talk to you, just dying. Like, literally waiting by the phone right now. the Jerry Lewis hotline. Our team is the most proud thing I look at in our company. Our software is incredible and I don't think there's anybody out there that's delivering that value. But the hands-on customer service experience is what I hear about the most. Our team is incredible on that front.

And if you couple that experience and that value from a transfer of knowledge perspective with the software, we don't have unhappy people that everybody loves and they're able to get what they want out of our program, which is the most important thing. We want to meet you where you are. Yeah. Well, you said that there would be a tool that you would enjoy using that you've never used before. And it sounds like that's also the case for all of the men in America based on the recession of sex that we saw before. Guys, check out Arch Public. And we will be back next week. I don't even know what else to say. I'm out of here. Bye, guys. Have a good money. See you guys. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.