The Wolf Of All Streets - CryptoWendyO On Becoming YouTube’s Number 1 Woman In Crypto

Episode Date: July 10, 2022

It’s no secret that the world of crypto is heavily male-dominated. CryptoWendyO is on a mission to correct that gender gap. She’s a voice for women and for anyone else who feels voiceless in this industry. With 170k subscribers on Youtube, she’s become the most viewed female in all of crypto. Today we discuss how her channel began, how she’s been able to build outside of the conventional crypto framework, and how crypto quite literally changed the trajectory of both her life and her daughter's life. JOIN THE FREE WOLF DEN NEWSLETTER 📩 https://www.getrevue.co/profile/TheWolfDen EPISODE LINKS Wendy O: https://twitter.com/CryptoWendyO Production & Marketing Team: https://penname.co/ FOLLOW SCOTT MELKER • Twitter: https://twitter.com/scottmelker • Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/wolfofallstreets • Web: https://www.thewolfofallstreets.io • Spotify: https://spoti.fi/30N5FDe • Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3FASB2c

There's a bigger purpose for my channel and for what I do. It's for women, it's for the underdogs, it's for the voiceless, it's for people that feel like they don't matter, like they're not important. It's for my daughter. Like, I get women that come up to me all the time like, thank you. And like TikTokers, like, thank you for doing this. So many TikTokers have reached out to me, Wendy, thank you so much for your channel and being a voice for us

because we don't have anybody else because our industry can be so toxic at times. I hate to make the differentiation between men and women in crypto because I believe that we're all the same and we're all here for the same goal. But today's guest, Wendy O, who is now the most viewed female on YouTube in all of crypto, makes the point that we need far more women in crypto and that we need equality. You're not going to want to miss this conversation and find out why. So you are officially the biggest female YouTuber in crypto on the planet. Yes. I have the most views.

I don't know as far as subscriber goes, but I'll get there. But yeah, that happened, I want to say like two months ago. First of all, I want to say it's funny coming from having a DJ career. Nothing used to infuriate me more than like top 10 female DJs. Because I'm like, we're doing the exact same job

Right. We're literally just all playing music. Why does it matter if we're male or female? But it really seems to matter in this space because there's not that many Yeah, so it does matter in this space. So when I first got into crypto like I have very I'm very like everybody's equal like, you know know, people, self-education, critical thinking, blah, blah, blah. So I was like, men and women are equal. Cause I always grew up with a bunch of guys, like all of my guy friends and all pictures, like all pictures of me growing up, me and my guy friends. And I have two sisters. It's like, we all had guy friends. We all hung out together. And they always, they treated me like kind of like a brother, like a, like a little

sister brother. So I was like, no, there's no difference. There's no difference between men and women. But when I started working in this male dominated industry, which is fine, I was like, no, there's no difference. There's no difference between men and women. But when I started working in this male dominated industry, which is fine, I was like, cool, like a bunch of DJs, like this is what I do. Like I, you know, I lived in Hollywood, hung out with musicians like this is my shit. This is cool. Can I cuss on this? Oh yeah. Oh absolutely love it. And then I started like once I got in the business side, I started seeing the differences happen and I'm like, okay, why is this happening? Why am I not getting this job? Why am I not getting invited here? Why is this person speaking to me differently than they're speaking to this dude? I can trade my like my my charts. My trades are just as good as any male trader out there.

But why are they getting more views than me? Why are they getting more opportunities than me? And I'm like, I'm sort of thinking that I started getting on calls with people when I started doing the consulting stuff. And the way they would talk to me was different. And I would kind of get, like, I would have friends that would be on the same calls for these people. And they would talk to me about their experience. I'm like, no, they just wanted me to sit on the call and consult for them for free for an hour. I'm like, no. So then I started realizing that there is a big difference. So now when I get on calls, I have one of my leads come on with me, who's a man and he stays anonymous, but they hear his voice and it changes. And it's just very, to me, it's so bizarre. I'm still kind

of getting used to it, but it's also very weird because I'm like, why, why, why is this happening? And then another thing is like, we see all these big companies preach women in crypto, women in crypto. We need more women. But then when I talk to them, their energy is different. And I'm like, that's not OK. So now I'm very much we need more women in crypto. We need more women in NFTs. We need more women to come into the space because you're a parent. You got a little girl.

Of course, you want to be able to you want it when she grows up and she decides what she wants to do, the last thing you want to hear as a dad probably is, Daddy, I didn't get hired for this job because I'm a girl. Like, I think that would make any father mad. It would. It's kind of disgusting to hear. It's 100% true. The process you're talking about. Like, I need to bring a man on so they can hear his male voice. Of course.

To speak with me. Seriously. Yeah. I think I understood that this was problematic, but that's another level. Yeah, it's very problematic. Like there's been like contract work that I've done that I didn't because I didn't know enough about business and stuff because I grew up very poor. And my dad died when I was like 11. So I didn't have somebody helping me in business. I didn't have somebody to guide me because a lot of people I know they have their, they could call

their dad and be like, whatever, and ask them questions. I don't have that. Like I don't have guidance. And my mom was really focused on being a mom, not like, like just making sure that me and my two sisters that we were eating and doing stuff, you know? So I didn't have any, like, I didn't have guidance. Like I've never had like a strong male in my life. So I didn't have anybody to ask questions. So I had to figure a lot of stuff out before. And there's some contract work that I look back and I did, I was like, holy shit, I just got fucked out of a lot of money. And there's some stuff that I still look back and say, I'm like, oh my God, this sucks. But the good thing about it is I know now, and since I have a five-year-old daughter now, I can start to condition her for when she grows up

into what type of things that she may experience. And that's part of the reason why I've stayed in crypto and worked on the channel. It's impressive that you've stayed in crypto because you certainly had your ups and downs. Oh yeah. Yeah, so the channel, can we talk about my channel? Please, let's talk about your channel.

I love my channel. So my YouTube channel is like my, because you know Twitter's super toxic. You think? Maybe. Well, whatever. It's honestly like at this point, there's so much back weird stuff that happens with people.

And I've got my theories about stuff. But anyways, my YouTube channel is like my place. That's where I have my voice. That's where I do like i do everything there and the cool thing about the channel is is i initially started it because i started hosting free meetups the reason why i started hosting free meetups is because back in 2017 if you wanted to go to a crypto event you had to pay thousands and thousands of dollars and i grew up fucking poor like i like where am i going to pull out $3,000 to go to this event?

And then I go to this event and people are showing their ICO. You got me into my first one ever, by the way. Which one? Which was World Crypto Con in 2019. I did. You invited me and got me in there. I did. And then your career went boom.

Just kidding. It's all you. But sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. That's actually really cool. And it's so cool because I spent the first end I spent the first end of 27, well, 20, when I started doing these events and traveling, I just networked like crazy. I literally would go to every single booth and hand my card out and be like, I'm Wendy. I've got a YouTube channel. Let me interview you. Like let's network. Let's talk business. That's what I did at all these

events. And I was like the only chick there. So, but with the channel, I started that to live stream the events because my audience at that time was very interested in the free check there. So, but with the channel, I started that to live stream the events because my audience at that time was very interested in the free meetups. Cause I started the free meetups cause I was like this person that wanted to network, to grind, to build something really cool. And I also am very big on helping other people because of my healthcare background. So the YouTube channel started to live stream the meetups. And then, you know, I was like trading, doing okay. And then I started doing, integrating like my TA stream the meetups and then you know I was like trading doing okay and then I started doing integrating like my TA and the charts and then we started live streaming and then we started doing

like interviews and now we do news and it's grown into this big thing where we do reviews we do interview I've done like over 500 interviews I feel like I have over 1,600 videos we've done do reviews i have a legal series i want to interview attorneys people from the sec like i've interviewed mma people like all kinds of really cool stuff but just kind of transformed in this this channel that's like i happen to be a woman which is cool and it's so funny because when i look at the analytics because I always I check the analytics on YouTube when I look at them it's like boys it's like 20 boys and then me and like my views and like my numbers are a lot smaller than theirs but it's like them and then me and it's just crazy to see like the lack of representation so part of the reason why I stay doing the channel

is because there's a lot of dudes that don't like me in this industry just because I'm like alive because I'm here and as I'm an person that exists yeah and I'm petty so I keep I have the channel still partially for that reason and some other stuff but there are other reasons that you have the channel uh and plans for the future right yeah so channel started to to live stream the meetups which is really great and then it was like more to help people like to give people basic education to be be honest, and to let them know that it doesn't matter how you grew up. It doesn't matter if you grew up poor. It doesn't matter if you grew up with a single parent household. Whatever you've been through in life, you have the power to change and to evolve into something else because I'm living proof of that. I'm not supposed to be

alive today, like any way, shape, or form. the fact that I'm here today sitting with you is crazy like absolutely crazy so the channels like to let people know from all different backgrounds because we could talk about representation of all the other types of people who get left behind in crypto because I have another I've got another problem with that but now the channel so that's why we have it but I've got a five-year-old daughter and she's an outstanding musician like I've sent you videos you see I know she's good she's good and when you legit when you meet her if she's gonna ask I met her when she was one but yeah but if you meet her today and I'll say this is mommy's friend Scott um Scott is a he's a DJ and she'll be like okay and then she'll say well what's your

favorite country song and if you don't answer correctly you're done you're done it's got to be outlaw country but the goal is the goal is now is to continue and she plays six string guitar like amazing like i can i can literally sit and talk about her guitar lessons and how impressed her teacher is with her because she knows how to she's five and she knows how to tune a guitar that's incredible but anyways so i'm going to i'm going to pass the channel down to her i'll still do this for the next five to ten years i'll pass the channel down to her so we get the monetization up to where she literally can pop in five times a week do five to seven minute you know crypto news videos and make you know get that monetization do really well and then do whatever

is in life she wants to do. She's five. How much do you talk to her about crypto and how much does she understand? Funny story. So I liquidated her savings account when Bitcoin dumped below $10,000. I think there was $4,000 or $3,000 in there. I liquidated that and I bought Bitcoin below around, I want to say $9,000 to $3,000. So she has Bitcoin and it's in a ledger, you know, put away. So she knows about it and she knows what mommy does for work. She says, she says, you know, mommy's windy-o on, you know, on the internet. That's her job. She, she works on Twitter. She tells people what to do on Twitter and she, and then she calls herself, her, her, her little name is Lo, but now she likes

to call it, she's like, I want my crypto name to be Lagosta. Lagosta. I don't know why. Sounds like that could be like a new layer one, by the way, but yeah. It probably can. So I'm sure somebody's probably going to take that. Yeah. But so she knows about crypto. She knows about Bitcoin, but she also knows that she doesn't tell anybody she has Bitcoin. So if you walk up to her, you're like, what do you know about Bitcoin? She'd be like, I don't know anything about Bitcoin. Because her dad is very like, is a legit OG from the street. And you met him. He's like very, like we're very protective of her and whatnot.

But she knows about it. The funny thing is I bought her tangible coins, like a tangible Bitcoin. And she has it underneath the rug in her room to keep it safe and hidden. And she only takes it out underneath the rug of her room if she wants to play with it. But it stays there because it's for OPSEC. That's amazing. I mean, you've managed to also build outside, I think, of sort of the conventional crypto framework. I mean, certainly it all starts at Twitter, right?

And I think everyone on crypto Twitter believes that that's the entire existence of anyone who's ever heard the word crypto. But it's actually probably the smallest part now. Right. You're the one who first said was like, you should go to TikTok, which I haven't done because I'm just a boomer. But you should go to TikTok. They're really nice. Yeah. And welcoming. And there's millions of them. Yes. So I actually good friend of mine bitboy was like i'm gonna do tiktok you need to do it he's like this is gonna blow up and i'm like whatever like you're like because he and i we bicker all the time you know um it's all friendly banter and bicker but he's like you need to do you need to go on tiktok i was like you know whatever so he did and he blew up

i waited millions of people yeah he had a million, I believe, at one time. And then he was doing like non-crypto content because that's what was working there. Because the algorithm is so much better than YouTube. So eventually I graduated college and I ended up graduating late because life got in the way. Got my degree in marketing and business. And so I had some free time. It was during the panorama. So I was like, F it. So I went and I created a TikTok account account I just kept doing videos and videos and I my account a couple videos I did

went viral and the coolest thing about the videos that went viral it's about profit taking it's about a moon bag strategy that's when you know you put money into something number goes up you pull up profit actual good advice yeah so like you know that video got money into something, number goes up, you pull up profit. And it's all good advice. Yeah, so like, you know, that video got like 600,000 views. And then I posted another video about why I'm selling, why I'm selling 60% of my crypto. And I posted it September, I believe 21st to 25th of 2021.

And I'm telling people, you need to start taking profit. And I think Bitcoin is trading about 40,000 you know we went up to 69 October and that video got 737,000 views those are my most watched videos is on profit taking but anyways TikTok is like it's so big like they don't even care they're not the people that are on TikTok they don't care about Twitter like they don't doesn't exist it doesn't exist to them they They think Twitter's stupid. Just like people on Twitter, Facebook doesn't exist to them.

It's just the evolution. Right. But yeah, but TikTok is literally, you can, and people think, oh, I have to be young. I have to be this. I have to twerk. I have to dance.

I, most of my stuff, like I don't show, I don't have to show my body there. I watch your videos. I don't watch, like I don't, I just talk about crypto. And some, I'm getting like, I'm averaging like 10 000

views per video by a 60 second or 15 second video and it's reaching so many people like so many people and all the mainstream media requests i have gotten since i started have been because of tiktok like i don't and like people will on tick tock all day long that's fine but what's crazy about that to me, like, okay, I understand shitting on the platform, but they'll also shit on the influencers for using it. If you're passionate about crypto, even if you're one of these like toxic kind of troll, whatever, shouldn't you just be super excited that 10,000 people are watching someone's video about this asset that you love? Like, shouldn't we be

cheering that on? Well, this is the thing. So when we're talking about crypto, and again, I'm very well versed in different personality types, different cultures, different subgroups, all that stuff. And that's because of my experience working in healthcare with HIV AIDS, because people will look at that group and they're like, oh, they have it because they're this. Of course. No, no, no, no, no. Because we also did testing at the site that I was at. I was like, I've got stories for days. Stories for days about the most crazy stuff. But anyways, so I'm really good at figuring out subgroups.

And there's a lot of toxicity in different subgroups. But crypto primarily, there's even more toxicity because it comes from this place where you've got all these people really, really tech smart. And even the assholes, they're really smart. I'll give them that. And that's fine, 100% with it. But when you have somebody that's super tech smart or super math smart, their mind works differently. They necessarily don't have social skills, just like musicians. Musicians, and you can attest to this they're very creative so when you're working with a musician or talking to a musician you have to speak their language or adapt to you have to yeah because it's the artist's mind and they're very sensitive but they're also very weird

and it's like there's i don't want to say weird is this well i'll call my ex-boyfriend weird but very eccentric and very like you know so you have to be careful like it's a different group so with the whole crypto thing most of these guys are super tech smart like super tech smart but they don't have social skills and they can't articulate why they have an issue with you or why they don't like what you're doing because i ask critical i ask them questions like um did you do this no did you do this no did you do this? No. Did you do this? No. Did you do this? No. Then how, if you didn't do all of these, if you didn't do all of these things, then why are we at, I hate you. I want you dead. I want to you. If you, if you didn't do these things, it doesn't, it doesn't equate to each other. So there's a lack of communication skills there. So I feel like that's what the problem is, is that

they don't see, they don't, they don't, they're not capable of looking for the good in things, which sucks because it's pushing our industry back. Because at the end of the day, Bitcoin was created for everybody. It was created for the people, by the people. And the purpose is to kind of help people improve their quality of life, especially the super, super poor people. So the whole Bitcoin maximalist bullshit, that's fine if you want to have this narrative. It's fine if you want to be a dick but really when you're talking about when you're so toxic and you're so mean and you're so closed-minded they forget that there's other cultures of people that exist and specific groups if you don't treat that if you don't if you treat their cousin wrong or their sister or whatever wrong the whole group will shun you and they don't understand that so it's kind of sad that we it's like this but that's

why it's cool to have content creators that like this, but that's why it's cool to have content creators that are able to reach a broad audience and explain what this stuff is, because that's kind of our job is to really be like, hey, this is Bitcoin. Go read the white paper. These are altcoins. Figure out what resonates with you and then, you know, go forward. Knowing your background, like obviously, at least superficially, and I've seen your posts where it's like, I bought a house. Bitcoin did this. Yeah, it did. So, OK, so my first house I bought, I bought in like the literal hood because that's all I could afford in L.A. County because it's expensive.

The hood like I can't I wasn't able to go to the grocery store because I would get hit up by gangbangers. Like they'd be like, where are you from? You have tattoos. It's like whatever. I'm just trying to go to the grocery store to get, you know, my kid milk or whatever. Like and on the street that I lived on, there was a biker gang. There is a can I talk about this? There was a there was a bunch of drug dealers, like all kinds of crazy stuff, like all kinds of crazy stuff. And so I was able to buy the house there. But then I noticed that the market, there's some issues with the house.

That's another story. But I noticed that the market was going up. I know a little bit about trading. I know a little bit about markets. So I was like, I should probably sell this house and then rent because I've got, you know, whatever. So I was able to sell the house for profit, rent it in a nice neighborhood.

And then I was able to buy the new house that I'm in. And without crypto and Bitcoin, it wouldn't have made it possible because I never thought in a million years I would be able to live in the area that I live, have my daughter in private school, and have security and not have to worry about where my next meal is coming from or what I'm going to do for work or do I have to go back to living the type of life that I lived which I'll talk about in my book that I have to write but I don't have to worry about things like I feel it's it's a it's it's really cool to come from nothing like literal nothing like literal nothing and then to be able to kind of just have this better quality of life and be able to help people That's probably the coolest thing

That's why I know you kind of like hint at the idea that I'm only doing the channel still because of this But you know, you have to keep doing it for that reason. I know like personally that's like oh my god Sometimes you just want to be done with it, right? But you have to do it I realize that you have to keep doing part but really part of it like this is the thing like money is cool but at the end of the day I like I matter as a person I'm learning to set boundaries as an adult now because I didn't have know how to set boundaries before like I didn't I was just would tell everybody yes because I was so broken from all the bullshit and the

trauma and all the crazy things that happened to me so now it's just like I like to set boundaries so money is cool but at the same time there's a bigger purpose for the for my channel and for what I do it's for women it's just like, like, I like to set boundaries. So money's cool. But at the same time, there's a bigger purpose for the, for my channel and for what I do. It's for women. It's for the underdogs. It's for the voiceless. It's for people that feel like they don't matter. Like they're not important. It's for my daughter. Like I get women that come up to me all the time. Like, thank you. And like Tik Tokers, like, thank you for doing this. So many Tik Tokers have reached out to me, Wendy, thank you so much for your channel and being a voice for us because we don't have anybody else because our industry can be so toxic at times. And there's just such weird stuff that happens because I don't care. I will go to the nicest mansion party in crypto at events and people walk up to me.

And I'm like, what are you doing to give back? And they look at me dead in the face like, did she just say that to me? Like, yeah. What are you doing to give back? Like, why aren't you guys doing this? back and they look at me dead in the face like did she just say that to me like yeah what are you doing to give back like why aren't you guys doing this why aren't you reaching out to this community like blah blah blah like to people with a whole bunch of capital money i don't care like i will say what i feel and i'm going to ask these types of questions because it matters to me and we shouldn't just be this industry of a bunch of rich people like what are we doing with ourselves you know do you ever find that the negativity crosses over from the internet into your real life oh of course it does of course it does like so you have to understand i come from like like straight up trauma like i i'm a survivor and that

means domestic violence sexual assault like i was held up at gunpoint i've been in fights i've been jumped like all kinds of crazy stuff so i've had like a lot of trauma that I've gone through since probably the age, since kindergarten to for a long time. So I like I would always be like when I started the YouTube channel is weird for me. Like because I'm like, I think I'm ugly. I don't think I'm smart. I don't think I'm articulate. I don't think those things about myself. So for me to sit in front of a camera big

It's like you feel like you're LARPing or pretend it's weird. Well, it's not qualified to do it. Yeah Even when I come to these things, I'm like, why is this white trash girl poor white trash girl invited to these things? Like doesn't you know, it's weird but at the end of the day, I'm like no I do belong here because I have to represent representing for people that didn't but it does hurt But it does hurt. Like when some, when you have people that are calling you stupid, when they're judging your physical appearance, when they're making horrible remarks about just like, just who you, like just the way you look as a woman, that sucks. Physically threatening you. I've seen that. Oh, the, the, the, I'm going to rape you. I'm going to rape your daughter. I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill your daughter. My daughter's five, like, come from like that's not okay yeah it's not okay anyway and then when you have people that are like that are claiming that they have this mental disability

and then they're inciting physical violence against you like whoever i had somebody i'm not gonna say who was but they're like whoever does this to her i'll do this for you i remember and i'm like thinking to myself i'm like did you just fucking put a hit out on me like i don't know if you know where i come from but we don't speak like this like that is and like and the internet was so mad at me for saying that they're mad at you they're mad at me for saying it i'm like and then i called i called my boxing coach who's also my therapist and i was like i was like girl i was like this is what happened is am i overreacting she's like it took her a second

she had to rationalize it she's like okay she's like no you're not overreacting she's like where we come from you don't say that stuff to somebody because there's consequences to that but it's like they think that it's okay so that type of stuff sucks and that's to somebody because there's consequences to that. But it's like they think that it's okay. So that type of stuff sucks. And that's why I ended up not going to Bitcoin Miami 2021. And of course, I went to Bitcoin Miami 2022. And some guy verbally harassed me there, which was not fun. Terrible.

But so the toxicity of the internet does kind of go through. But I'm learning to deal with it better. And now it's like, okay, you don't like me well i'm still gonna be here because guess what i deserve to be alive i deserve to be here um you don't get to dictate what i do and if you don't like it then you can say all you want about me i'm just gonna ignore you now because if because at the end of the day you guys can tag me in all your bullshit and it just boosts my impressions up and then i make more money with monetization so you know well i mean i think that it's just part of the human condition psychology that the

negative oh yeah so amplified i mean there's statistics about it's like you know 90 percent and uh but all you need is to say be able to literally show the fact that you have the most views of any female youtuber on the planet to show that that's those are very loud but minority voices and that but for some reason it is really hard to hear the support when there's loud negative it is because our like you said our minds are conditioned to focus on the negative stuff so that's why i like the manifestation and the positive thinking and like we can even bring it back to prayer. Like if you look at every single religion, they have prayer and it's basically positive things. It's like, dear God, please give health to my children. Please, you know, help my mom feel better or whatever. So

it's basically mantras that we repeat over and over again. And how if you do manifestation, do mantras, you do prayer, whatever it is. So those are things that helped. But when you think about the negative stuff and you let that into your essence, it kind of it wears on you and people can tell. But the good thing about it is, is like the more that I do it, the more that it happens. Well, hopefully it's kind of like dying down a little bit because there's other girls to pick on now because we have to pick on all the girls. There's more girls, which is terrible. But at the end of the day it sucks and i just i just will hire when it gets really bad i hire somebody to take over my social so just don't read it yeah well it really doesn't exist if you don't read i literally i literally

have somebody run will take over my account sometimes so i don't have to do it like my youtube i've got somebody that goes through the comments like sometimes i'll and so by the time i go through it it's all the it, the constructive criticism is okay, 100%. Of course, you want dialogue. But you're ugly. You look like this. You're this. You're a scammer.

You're fake. That's fine. This is the thing. The term scammer is so stupid because we're in crypto to break away from the ivory towers from the oppressors but guess what why like we're sitting here calling each other scammers when we're not even when we can be doing really good things to kind of help other people that's fine I get it sometimes there are bad actors

or stuff that happens but at the same time it's kind of redundant at this point like there's some, there are some people doing really bad stuff in the world. Like I always think about like we have, we have child trafficking that happens, you know, it's an awful, terrible thing. Why can't we like pull our resources together as a community, even though we hate each other? Because we're too busy calling people scammers for being wrong about a chart. Yeah. So that's something that I kind of think about sometimes. I'm like, why can't we do that? That would be like, can you imagine if we literally like put some capital together, put our efforts, our skills together, we probably could take down some serious shit. Like we did that. So it, you know, it is what it

is, but when it gets bad, guess what? I'm just going to go ahead and hire somebody, give my, to take over and they can deal with it. And then I come back in two weeks and then everybody's happy and it's okay. It's amazing how fast it passes. You alluded earlier, kind of in passing, that you were going to write a book. You said jokingly, but are you really going to write a book? No, 100%. And it's not going to be about crypto because crypto is kind of boring to me. Like it's fun and I love my job.

But at the same time, I want to talk about like my early life, what I did before crypto, like who I was before. Because it's kind of like, again, the fact that I'm alive is like kind of crazy like the stuff that I've seen I lived in Hollywood did musicians like been all different types of places and it's just really cool so I'm going to share that eventually internet will probably cancel me because I'm a woman and god forbid a woman did anything scandalous ever in the history of the world, even though men like to, you know, they like that stuff. But if it's somebody they don't like, then there's a problem with that. I think it's very inspiring and we're not going to let you quit no matter what.

And you have an extremely lucky daughter who's going to be handed down this incredible channel and legacy one day. I absolutely love it. So I'll be cheering for you. Yay, thank you. Thank you so much for doing this. Always a pleasure to get to sit down with you. Awesome.

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