The Wolf Of All Streets - Going All-In On Bitcoin: Didi Taihuttu On His "Bitcoin Family."

Episode Date: August 20, 2020

Didi Taihuttu was a workaholic business owner in need of change. After a series of life-altering events, he sold everything he owned including his house, cars, shoes, and childrens' toys to go all-in on Bitcoin in 2017. Dubbed the “Bitcoin Family,” all 5 members set out to travel the world becoming an internet sensation along the way. Having broken free of harmful old financial systems, the Bitcoin Family lives minimally rather than materialistically, accumulating happiness over wealth. Scott Melker and Didi Taihuttu further discuss what sparked Didi’s radical transformation, telling his wife that they were going all-in on Bitcoin, selling everything he owned, watching the price of Bitcoin when it is all you have, living with 4 women in a van, buying everything with Bitcoin, beingstuck on a tropical island during Covid, giving to charity, zooming out on Bitcoin and in on life, and so much more. --- CHOICE IRA by KINGDOM TRUST Don’t be part of the 7.1M Bitcoiners who have bitcoin and a retirement account but don’t have bitcoin in their retirement account. With Choice IRA by Kingdom Trust you can hold bitcoin in your retirement account. The first 1,000 users to open a Choice IRA will receive $62.50 in free BTC - visit RetireWithChoice.com/WOLF to join the waitlist and secure free BTC. --- VOYAGER This episode is brought to you by Voyager, your new favorite crypto broker. Trade crypto fast and commission-free the easy way. Earn up to 6% interest on top coins with no lockups and no limits. Download the Voyager app and use code “SCOTT25” to get $25 in free Bitcoin when you create your account --- If you enjoyed this conversation, share it with your colleagues & friends, rate, review, and subscribe.This podcast is presented by BlockWorks Group. For exclusive content and events that provide insights into the crypto and blockchain space, visit them at: https://www.blockworksgroup.io

Today's episode is brought to you by Choice, by Kingdom Trust, and Voyager. We'll learn more about them later on in the episode. What is up, everybody? This is your host, Scott Melker, and you're listening to the Wolf of All Streets podcast, where every week, two times a week, actually, we talk to your favorite personalities in Bitcoin, finance, art, music, politics, sports, basically anyone with a story to tell. This show is powered by BlockWorks Group, a media network with over 20 podcasts. You can check them out at blockworksgroup.io. Now, if you like the podcast, you follow me on Twitter, then you definitely got to check out my website at thewolfofallstreets.io. You can also sign up for my free and or paid newsletter

there where I basically share all my thoughts that are too long form for Twitter. So check that out. Now that that's all out of the way, let's get to what's actually important today, which is today's guest. He has one of the most unique stories that's ever been shared on the show, to say the least. In 2017, D.D. Taihutu made what many called a radical decision to risk everything and go all in on Bitcoin, which I think a lot of us have wanted to do but haven't had the balls to do, to be quite honest. He saw it as a chance to start living life to the fullest. And I can't wait to hear why he made this decision, how it's worked out for him and his family. So Didi, man, thank you so much for being here. Thank you, man. Thank you for having me on your show. It's

an honor to be in your show, man. I've been watching it and listening it many times. So it's really cool to be on it now myself. That's awesome. Just a normal guy here. Do you want the long story or the short version of my life? I want the absolute long story for sure, man. Obviously, I've seen the videos, the 10-minute clips and everything, but I think you're super interesting and want to dig into what makes you who you are and how you really arrived today. So you can actually, since you touched on it, let's kind of start from the beginning, what you were doing before you made this big decision. Yeah, of course. You know, I grew up in a very normal, warm family with a very good father and

mother. And I did my school stuff. I was a professional football player, or should I say soccer player, whatever you want. For some time in my youth. And then you needed to go to college. I went to the school, the higher economic school. And then when I turned 24, my life turned upside down. We were eating at my mom's place at home. And we had Wednesday evenings. We had always had dinner together with my brother and my sister, my father and my mother. And at the end of the evening, I said, Mom, see you tomorrow again.

Love you. Bye-bye. And that was it. And in the evening, around 3 o'clock in the night, my brother starts to call me. He's like, Didi, Mom's not breathing. She's not breathing anymore. Please come home. Come home. So I rush home with my car at that point, and I find the ambulance there. They are rehabilitating my mother. She was 48 years old and she went into a coma and a week later she died. At that point,

I was 24. I just finished school. I had emotional problems, huge emotional problems, and I couldn't face the problems. So I became a workaholic. I started my first company, my second company, a third company. I just started to work, work, work, work. And then in the time span of 2002 to 2014, in those 12 years, I built up three companies. I had about 20, 30 employees in the Netherlands and all that stuff. And, you know, I was on top of the world. And that same time I started mining Bitcoin in 2013, 14. But because of the first crash, I lost a little bit trust in Bitcoin. So I started to sell, you know, to break even with my huge investment in mining rates at that moment, self-built mining rates. But, you know, I was also an online casino manager at the same time. I just did everything.

You're doing everything. Just to not think of the loss I had. And I could never give it a place. And then it was December 2014 when I was driving my Jeep Cherokee at that point. I was a very materialistic guy, egoistic guy. I had a mask. I just was there to accumulate wealth because that was the goal in life because school taught me if you accumulate well you get a house and few cars

you will be happy at the end you know right then in december i was driving this jeep cherokee my father called me and he's didi are you sitting down yeah dad i'm sitting he said i'm uh i just came back from the hospital i was diagnosed with cancer I have one more year to live so he was at that point 59 years old and at that point my life collapsed my father was my hero he was a professional soccer player and now I was also going to lose him and I didn't know what to do so at that point you know I went living home again with my father in his basement with my whole family. At that point, I already had three kids. So we went living there to spend the last year together with him, 2015, the last time Easter, the last time Christmas, the last time

watching a football match together, all that stuff. And then in January 2016, he died. At that point, my life really collapsed. I got a huge burnout because of all the companies I was running and the inheritance and all that shit you need to arrange when somebody dies. And which took, at the end of the year, I told my wife, I can't go on like this. This is not life.

My mother is 48. My father is 61. You know, we are in the late 30 like this this is not life my mother is 48 my father is 61 you know we are in the late 30s this is not living life and so I hired a manager to run my company and I told my wife I need a I need a mental reset I need to go and travel and just have fun with you as a family and that is what we did we flew to Thailand and then in two three weeks times I was back man I had all the energy. I felt alive again.

And this trip, which we planned to be three months, became six months, became seven months. And then when we arrived in Bali in 2017 early, this guy calls me and he's like, Didi, how are you? I said, yeah, I'm doing fine. And do you still have your Bitcoins? I'm like, yeah, man, I have my Bitcoins, but I'm on the beach in Bali. And I'm looking at this beautiful sunset with my Bacardi Coke. My kids are doing all this tricks on the beach.

I'm not going to open my laptop. And he's like, do check it. Do you still have your Doge coins or doggie coins? I don't know how you pronounce it. Doge, man. Yeah, for sure. So I said, yeah, I still remind millions of them at that time. So then he was like persuading me.

Did he check your PC? The prices are going up. The community is growing again. So I started to check this in Bali. I saw, okay, wow, the forums are growing more and more. People are talking about it. The price is increasing. You know, I could already pay the whole trip I have been doing of six,

seven months just from the profit in Dogecoin. So yeah, at that point, I went up to my wife on the beach and I told her, we are living this life with our three daughters. We don't have any materialistic stuff at the moment. We just have three backpacks. We have never been as happy as this before as a family. So why would we want to change this? So I told her, let's fly home. Let's sell everything we have, our house, our companies, the cars, the bikes, the clothes, your 70 pair of shoes, everything, and go all into cryptocurrency. Let's go all into Bitcoin. And she agreed. She agreed.

At first, her mom was like, but you lost trust. Bitcoin was the mining stuff. That was not good. She said, yeah, but I'm gaining trust again. This is the revolution. The revolution is starting. We are going to disrupt this monetary system.

We need to disrupt the monetary system. We have seen during the last seven months how not honest the whole world is when it comes to finance. We have seen poor people in Cambodia, in Vietnam, in Indonesia. We can change this world. And if we just now go all in and start to travel around the world and teach those people that there is a new monetary system being built, I think I will feel very lucky. And then she told me, Didi, you're the most materialistic bastard I've ever known. You're not going to go all in. You're not going to sell your Jeep Cherokee and all that stuff.

And then I just went online. I sold my Jeep Cherokee online. I sold my Cavalier online, my motorbike online. Beginning of January, of February, sorry. I bought Bitcoins of that and online, my motorbike online, beginning of January of February. Sorry. And I bought Bitcoins of that. And I told her I'm going all in. And then we booked tickets. We flew home. We put the house to sale for Bitcoin. A friend of mine was a real estate agent. He was like, okay, if it's a marketing trick, let's do it. And then it was sold in two weeks. And then the media found out and then, bam, you got- So the media found out because you sold your house for Bitcoin,

because that was kind of the story there. So we put it for sale for Bitcoin. So this local media guy comes to us and he's like, what are you selling a house for Bitcoin? What is this? Is this multi-level marketing? Is this a scam? So no, I just want to sell.

Yeah, I just want to have Bitcoins for my house. And then the local media found out and then the local media found out and then the the national media found out and then business insider wrote an article and that went viral all over the world and then the house was sold i remember yeah and and since then it's now almost four years we travel the world um as the bitcoin family you get bombed to the bitcoin family and uh yeah ever since been living this Bitcoin life 24-7. It's amazing, but sort of skips the last three or four years when it wasn't quite as easy as it sounds.

You didn't exactly just teleport past 2017 to 2020. There's been some hard times, obviously for all of us, you know, like anyone who, of course, like more so for you because you were all in, but a lot of us were very heavily exposed, whether all in or not. And 2018 was obviously an extremely rough time. 2019 was mediocre at best. And here we are. So talk about, you know, seeing the price rise, but then seeing the inevitable, you know, the crash and the bubble pop that we hear about. So, yeah, what happened at that point is that we were undergoing a complete change as a family.

You know, we didn't choose to go into Bitcoin to just become filthy rich. You know, we went in to support the revolution. And more important, we wanted to change life. We wanted to show our children that, you know that accumulating wealth should not be the goal. Accumulating happiness should be the goal. And you can only show your kids this by leading by example. I can tell them bedtime stories. I can tell them all these stories of what they should do.

But if I, as a parent, are doing something completely different, they will never follow my footsteps. They will follow the footsteps I'm showing them because, you know, you lead by example and they follow your example. So that was one of the biggest reasons for my wife to agree with going all in, to show the kids we can be completely happy without the materialistic stuff and just live life. So at that point, you change from materialistic to minimalistic lifestyle. So that means that you don't care about this money anymore because you reduce your monthly cost to almost zero. Yeah, you don't need it. Yeah.

You don't have any cost, no mortgage, no nothing. So of course, I saw this rollercoaster ride. Of course, it felt sometimes, oh my God, we are going to go bankrupt now. Because if Bitcoin goes to zero, if it still goes to zero, I'm bankrupt. If it goes to zero tomorrow, I'm gone. We are gone as a family. I need to start over again. But we created this mindset.

If we would be gone, we start over, just like we finished school. You've done it before. We've done it before. But of course, your emotions go, man. We went up, and it went went up and it went up and it went up and we were like at 20K, I was like dreaming of 50K or 100K. Everyone was. I mean, everyone was.

But those people probably were selling for dollars. You didn't want dollars out of it. You just wanted Bitcoin to be more valuable. So did you ever think, hey, I'm getting like 20K, maybe I'll take a hundred grand out here just so I have some money, you know, some cash or something like that. Did you ever consider that? No, we did consider it. But, you know, at that point, US dollar theater and all these currencies were not that like familiar to me yet. So I was not there to exchange into USDT or something.

So the only thing I could do is go back to the banking system and i just didn't want to do that anymore as an entrepreneur i had so many shit with those banks i just don't didn't want to go back so there was something all the way in my mind that it's going to be all right i always listen to bob marley you know every little thing is going to be all right don't worry about a thing and and just that was the you know the thing that thing is going to be all right. Don't worry about a thing. And, and just, that was the, you know, the thing that we had. And, and then we, we discovered when Bitcoin went up to 20 K, we, we had a lot of money and we, we were like still living in backpack houses in Thailand. And we were like, we just don't need this money. What if we use this money to make other people happy? Let's see what it does to our inner luck.

So we started to give away to charities, poor people. And that one that I hear, I'm getting goosebumps again. That one made me completely happy. I felt like, what? These smiling kids, just because I gave them a pencil, just because I gave them a teddy bear, and my kids even saw this and they were like, wow because I gave them a teddy bear. And my kids even saw this and they were like, wow, daddy, look how happy those people, those children were.

So we started to give away, give away because I thought Bitcoin was going to go to 40 or 50k. And we kept giving away till Bitcoin was around 12k. And then I didn't expect the 6k and I didn't expect the 3k dump. So that was when we lost a lot of our money. But you didn't. You didn't because you didn't lose your Bitcoin, right? And if you're viewing Bitcoin as your money, and if you view Bitcoin as money, then I guess the value of it in fiat currency is somewhat irrelevant. But I'm sure emotionally that it was a trying time. It's so funny that you mentioned Bob Marley because part of our parenting strategy, I have a one-year-old and

a five-year-old, but when we had our first baby, we were woefully unprepared for parenting. And our strategy was literally put Bob Marley on every day, like an hour or two at a time to calm her down. And it always works. So we did it with our second child as well so that song even my one-year-old like tries to sing along and he bounces and we put it on probably five times a day every day of his life but it really is a uh it changes your mentality right that music and that that thinking it gets you it gets you in this vibe that you really don't matter about money anymore or that you really don't care about money and you just enjoy life. Like, you know, it's, it's, it's something I learned.

I needed to learn it. My wife was already a little bit Zen and she was already like, not that materialistic. I was this bastard that wanted to share bottles of Belvedere, you know, everywhere in the clubs. But, you know, I thought it would make you popular. You're a pro athlete. I mean, you were in that, you were clearly like, it's, you know but you're a pro athlete i mean you were in that you were clearly like it's you know you you uh you go about life in the way that you experience it and the people around you so that makes sense i mean i've had quite a bit of that in my day with the dj career and all

those things and it's very hard but it's very very hard to slow that train so i'm really curious maybe it was your kids were young enough that it didn't matter but you know in my experience kids want stuff right I mean kids they want the new toy they want the new video game they want and maybe you were far enough off the grid that they weren't exposed to it but I mean how did you deal with that with your children I think it helped that we that we were traveling so because we traveled mainly in Asia and poorer countries, they could see that they can't compare themselves then to their school kids. We don't like the schooling system to be upfront. They don't go to school.

They are unschooled or they are schooled on another way because I see the school as a pressure that they don't need in that age. And if you take them out of that zone where they are constantly confronted by other kids, oh, you don't have Nikes, oh, you don't have this, it's difficult. But if you take them to a third world country and you show that kids are still playing with a wooden stick and a tire or something, then they feel rich with an iphone you know and and and i think that that helped and of course my youngest one is now 10 the oldest one is 15 so they were not that young so they they also yeah yeah so they also understood that we needed to change life because

daddy was not happy anymore and and since that we changed life they saw a very happy daddy building sandcastles with them running on the beach with them you know doing stuff with him that he didn't do the 10 years he was a workaholic so for them it was a win situation i think that they were like okay that then we don't need a new ipad because daddy plays with us every day you know he goes into the forest he goes into the beach. Right, real life experience. Yeah. So you said they're unschooled. You know, usually you hear homeschooled.

Does unschooled mean that there's literally like no structured learning? They're just, it's kind of like they're learning about life. I mean, I don't know, in the United States, I don't even know if you would be allowed to do that. I think in theory you have to still like put your children through standardized testing or some sort of protocol. So how does that actually work? So to be honest, we started as unschoolers.

So we unschooled the kids by just not schooling them at all. And it worked for some time. But when my oldest one last year became 14, she started to ask questions that I couldn't answer anymore because she had interest in stuff that I didn't have interest. Yeah. So that made us evolve into homeschoolers. So we found this really cool online school. It's called Galileo. And this is a school where you can assign your kids

to and then they have a call with their classroom every day, 30 minutes in the morning. And then they do a Zoom call. Kids all over the world. There's a teacher, mainly teachers from Rudolf Steiner Educare of Montessori education, you know, a little bit more free education. And they guide your kids through things that they want to learn. My kids want to know everything about the stars, so they guide them to learn about the stars by using apps or by using websites or whatever.

So now we have evolved to a little bit more homeschooling, but in a practical way. So I really believe that the world is changing. I really believe that we are going to see a complete decentralized world and that the schools at the moment are preparing the kids for the past and that we need to prepare the kids for the future. And this future will be a future where a lot of kids need to have creativity. No robot and AI will do all the stupid easy jobs so we need kids that can think of cool solutions

that these robots or ai solutions can do in the future and they are not going to learn this in the traditional school system where you still have books from 50 years old or whatever you know so yeah you don't learn much i mean most of what you learn in school is, you know, so that you can pass a test and memorize facts. I think that's pretty clear. And especially, you know, it's been somewhat scientifically proven that at younger ages, certainly kindergarten, first grade, nothing that a child learns is really of any value. They'll catch up, you know, months later like in finland i know they don't focus on learning to read in kindergarten or first grade they just focus on as you said creative play the way that the child thinks and those children are way ahead of americans by the time they're 11 or 12 even though they don't read until they're seven or eight so i mean i think that that's the science even you know it's not just theory it's not anecdotal it's i mean it's scientific proof yeah it's scientific proof but the problem is for parents you have this fear you know you always have the fear if you do this if you take this

step your kid will be stupid in the future and will not succeed in life because that is what they won't have friends they won't know how to socialize those things so we just started homeschooling i mean as a result of i mean COVID sort of forced the issue, but we have, we started a small homeschool with two other families. Wow. And so we just, you know, like it's our two babies are in one house and the five younger kids from kindergarten to second grade are in another house with a teacher. And they're just kind of going at it, you know, on their own. And it's, we're very new into it, but we really do like it. I mean, you know.

It works. It works. into it but we really do like it i mean you know it works it works and it i think it makes and i think it creates a total different bond between parents and children in the beginning and it's a little bit difficult because you have to double role as a parent and as a teacher but at the end the kids will will known don't won't know better so they will just go with the flow and right they do it the youngest our Our youngest one has never been to school, and she is 10 now. She writes.

She reads. She speaks Dutch. She speaks German. She speaks English. So kids are self-educational, self-deductive, I think you call it in English. Yeah. They teach themselves everything,

from crawling to speaking to reading. We are human beings. We are one of the most intelligent species of the world. Yeah, as awful as the COVID situation has been, I think you just touched on kind of the silver lining is I think a lot of people who would have never considered these things or thought about them at all, really enjoyed that time at home with their kids,

as stressful as it was and all those things. Like I've spent five straight months with my children basically 24-7. And it's been, I mean, that regard, it's been absolutely amazing. I'm curious, you guys are traveling constantly, right? So how has COVID affected you? You know, with all the everywhere you go, it's probably different rules. But, you know, interacting with people is sort of your livelihood. How does that look for you?

At the beginning, I was really mad about the whole COVID situation because of, in my opinion, and I deeply respect anybody else's opinion, but in my opinion, it is the flu, you know, and we have overcome many flus. Maybe it's a little bit stronger flu than the other flus, but I think the media and the governments didn't act in the correct way. But that took for me two weeks to understand that I was not there to change this. The universe gives you this.

The universe did 13 billion years of building up to that moment, so who am I to change this? So I just decided I will just not look at this whole flu situation. I will just live life. And what comes on my path, I need to accept that. Or, you know, if I don't like it, I leave that. So we got locked up, locked down, I need to say, in Thailand on a very beautiful island. It was a very strange story because we were in Sofia, Bulgaria.

And Bulgaria there, there was a very strange story because we were in Sofia, Bulgaria. And Bulgaria, there was a flu situation. It wasn't called COVID at that time. Right. I remember they didn't. Yeah. Yeah. And then my wife told me, Didi, oh, man, we have been traveling so much and you've been going to Vegas and there to speak and everywhere. Can we not just go two months to Thailand to just chill on the beach?

And then we pick up the pace again as the Bitcoin family. So I said, yeah, let's do it. So we flew out of Bulgaria and a week later there was a lockdown. And then we were in Koh Phangan. Yeah. And so we were luckily in Koh Phangan on this tropical island. You would have been completely locked down in Bulgaria if you had not left when you did. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. My friends told me they were still there. They were like, we can't even go out. We have an app and we get a message of how much time we can spend outside, one person per car. And we were on this Koh Phangan Island in Thailand that not had one COVID case till

that we left three weeks ago. Wow. So we didn't even have a lockdown. We went on to the beaches. We skipped it. We skipped COVID. Yeah, we skipped it completely. But when we came home in Europe again,

I could taste the fear of the people. I saw the lines on the streets, colors where you need to stand and squares. I was like, oh my God, guys, what did you go through? I would have gone probably, you know, into jail because I would have protested on the street to not do all that stuff that you needed to do. So I think, yeah, life goes how it goes. And we went on this beautiful island and we had a beautiful time.

And now at the moment, we need to plan the next trip. We are now in Spainain in alicante we flew a week ago from holland to spain and now we wanted to go to switzerland to a company and a blockchain company and switzerland now says if you come from spain you need to go in quarantine for two or two days so we are now we need to plan so we probably need to go to austria first and then to Switzerland. Right. But I mean, I can see by looking at you right now, you're in an RV or a van, right?

Yeah. I mean, you're sitting in the front seat. Yeah. You're sitting in the front seat of your van. I mean, do you guys live in the van? I mean, is that basically your home? No, partly yes and partly no. At the moment, I need to be honest, we are spending time at our parents-in-law, and my wife's my parents-in-law my wife's parents right they live in spain so the van is

parked now and on the driveway of the house but if i would do this video in the house you i would be disturbed by the kids 20 for 7 yeah of course so i i i'm always pulling you back in this van and then I have all the time to speak. But yeah. Yeah. But I believe you said before, I heard you say at some point or mention that your official status is homeless, correct? Yeah. Or it was. Yeah, we needed.

Still is. Still is. That was the only way how we could skip the law of schooling. I found this flaw in the law of the Netherlands that if you deregister at your government's office, they still work with an access database. They don't work with the blockchain solution. So they have two tables. One table is kids that are registered in a city and one table that is registering all the kids in the schools in that city so if a kid is not

registered in this table anymore of the city they can't cross the tables they can't find your kids so your kid doesn't go to school so that's why we were registered as homeless people searching for new house all over the world and we still didn't find a house yeah that answers the loophole that I was curious about before because I know that in the United States, even if you were homeless, they would probably try to find a way for your children to go to school. So clearly it's a law that's unique to where you are

that you were able to somewhat exploit and make it work for you, which is really cool. So going back to 2017, you know, it seems like there was a few things going on, obviously, the loss of your father that had sort of sparked, you know, a life change. But, you know, you said that you wanted to preach, you know, the problems with the banking system and the problems with the monetary system and talk about about Bitcoin but you could have done that without personally opting completely out right so like what is it in you I guess like it's a kind of thing seems like where you had to talk the talk if you were gonna walk the walk right like you had to do it yourself if

you were gonna go talk about it what is it in you that made you think like no balance here I'm going all-in this is it and why Bitcoin like why you know why was that the answer? So because I knew Bitcoin from 2014, the mining. And at that time, somebody educated me in the revolution. I just lost a little bit of trust of it. But I think it is because of my roots. I have these Indonesian Moluccan roots. So that's an island archipel near Indonesia and they also wanted to be independent from the Indonesian country

but because they came in the war to tell you a very short story they sent my grandfather back because he loves the war to the Netherlands so like 50,000 people from these islands were sent to the Netherlands because the Netherlands were harvesting all their you know how do you call them

in English it It's these small herbs. I don't know the name. That's why they took them to the Netherlands. From that point on, I grew up in a Moluccan family that was always in for this revolution. We were

always against the system because the system didn't treat my grandparents honest, my father honest. And so you grow up in this system that you don't believe in the system. And then at a young age, you start to read books like The Secret and The Law of Attraction and you start to investigate how is the world working. And you look at these documentaries of Che Guevara and all that stuff that makes you

this guy that always, you know, wants to go full for something. When I played football, my father was the type that said, if you want to become a pro, you need to train, train, train. And then when you think you're ready, you need to train more and more and more. And then at the end, you have a small chance becoming what you want. So I just needed to radically change our life. The only way I could do it is by going all in because I still kept this,

if I would have still kept this attachment to the Netherlands, I would always have this thing to, oh yeah, but we can go back. We still have our house. Or we can go to, I just needed to get rid of this. I just needed to go just completely all in and trust life. Let's see where this whole adventure brings us. It's incredible. That's how I learned to to go just completely all in and trust life. Let's see where this whole adventure brings us. It's incredible. That's how I learned to let go.

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You know, if you're an entrepreneur for 15 years and you build up these companies, then you know exactly how the system was working. And then at the end, you realize it's not your companies. It's not your money. It's all loans from banks. And by giving you these loans, they catch you in this system that you can never escape. The only way is becoming bigger as a company, growing, expanding, growing, growing. And the bigger you become and the bigger you grow, the more employees you need, the more

stress you have. You get caught. You need to make more money. So you get caught in this hamster wheel. Yeah. And then at the end, when you want to cash out or you go to your bank and you tell your bank, ah, but you know, now I have this investment opportunity to, you know, to automate my company so that I don't need all these employees. They will not give you the money. Or when you need the money to buy a house, they will tell you, ah, but you need better numbers. So you're always depending on these bastards

that they just screw your life. They just, you know, that irritated me. And then one day I told them, guys, I'm going to come to the bank now because I'm going to buy a new car. I need a 20K. So I went into the bank. I told them I need 20K in cash. It's a cash dealer in Germany.

You can only accept cash. And they weren't going to give me the cash. I had more than 100,000 euros on this account. They didn't give me the cash. I needed to make an appointment, and it took four days for them to get the cash to give me this cash. And that was when I realized, wow, this is not my money. And then you start to read into the banks, into the system, into small letters that you're lending your money to them. And then you see what happens in Greece and in Cyprus. And those people were just like, their money was just taken.

I always imagined this fisherman fishing 20 years on this boat in Greece, saving all his money into this bank account. And then comes a crisis. And and then these banks tell them you can only get 60 euros a week you know this is like this is death and so i i i had many experiences like this in my life and that was why i was like okay now now i'm going to support this whole monetary disruption 24 7 and yes and i'm going to take my family in with it and yes we have been living without a bank account now for more than three and a half years. And I'm never going to have a bank account again. Never, never. Can you talk to me logistically about how living with only Bitcoin is? I know that your life is obviously very simple, but if you need to buy food at a place that doesn't accept Bitcoin, do you still have to go through the local currency or something, even if only for five minutes to cash out

to pay for something? I mean, they're just things in my experience that I can't buy with Bitcoin. I want to. I have this very irritating fly, but in the beginning... I've seen it go by a couple of times. It was annoying. I get you. So in the beginning, the first two years was terrible.

You know, the only thing you could do is go to localbitcoins.com and you could agree on a street with somebody and exchange your Bitcoin. That was not the safest way. That was a terrible way. But then, you know, this industry has been evolving. And for the people that have been asleep the last two years, you know, online shopping has become big. You know, you can buy everything online. So I pay

our flights, our hotels. I pay everything online with Bitcoins directly. If it comes to supermarkets, like here in Spain, for example, you can buy these online coupons with Bitcoins and you spend the coupons in a supermarket. Yes, it's a little bit more work. But then again, I love just not to have a bank. The game is not to have a bank account anymore. So you become creative. Sometimes I buy coupons. Sometimes I use these Bitcoin debit cards nowadays. Yeah, they're great.

They are great, but still, in my opinion, they are a step in between. It's just fun to play with now, but the goal should be peer-to-peer cryptocurrency payments. So how about phone bills? Putting gas in your car when you're driving around. I'm just really curious how you do these

things because I would love to theoretically do it. It just seems like it could be a massive inconvenience without the mainstream adoption that we all sort of dream of it's it still is a mass inconvenience if you see it like this but I try to see it as a positive thing so we see it as a game and because we don't have any job or anything else to do you can be come trade even at time to think you can take 20 extra minutes to figure out how you're gonna pay pay for your gas. Yeah.

Yeah. For your God, for your guests, it's really easy. Of course we could use these debit cards. It's the easiest way, but we mostly use coupons at the moment. So that means that we buy a gas coupon or we buy, um, in Spain, it's called, uh, a hand to you, I think it's something like this, the name, and then you buy this coupon, you can spend it on gas stations, but you're also in supermarkets. There are many ways, but there are also

a lot of places that we often go back to because it's easy for us to live on Bitcoins. We go to Slovenia, to Ljubljana. Ljubljana, there you have Bitcoin City. In Bitcoin City, I can pay 99% of all the needs directly with Bitcoin, directly from groceries to cinemas, to new Nikes for my kids, to my new earplugs, to everything in Bitcoin City, 99%. I think even 99.9%, you can pay directly with Bitcoin how have I never heard of this place I've literally never heard of that

and I think I've heard of most things in this space I did not know that there was a city in Slovenia that was powered by Bitcoin Ljubljana if you go there if you visit it you will be amazed

this is like completely exactly what mass adoption should look like you walk in the huge shopping mall any store you want you can pay with bitcoin you're you can even sell bitcoins for gold or buy bitcoins with gold in this gold pawn shop you can literally everything and how do you do it logistically? You literally, I mean, you just pull up your app on your phone and they give you their address and they confirm the transaction and that's it? There is a company behind this one. The company at the moment, I think they changed their name to,

at the moment they are called, I need to check it. One of the biggest investors in this company is Roger Ver and this one it's called Eli Eli Pay and this one has facilitated and educated all the storeholders on how to do it so they just have a QR code on their desk, nothing else you go there with your Alipay wallet,

QR, and you pay. It's like, you're blown away. But you can also use your Blockstream green wallet or any other Bitcoin wallet, whatever you want. But I think the company was funded by Roger Ver. Okay, so how do we get from Ver, from Slovenia, one town in Slovenia, to everywhere in the world? So, I fly?

No, no, no, sorry. How do we get that same experience that you're having in Slovenia where everything accepts Bitcoin? So the question is mainstream adoption. How do we reach mainstream adoption first all over Europe and then all over the world to where you can do that anywhere? Yeah, this is the beautiful thing. Slovenia, this is like the main capital. It's a new city. But I saw the same example also in Italy.

You have Rovareto. It's a small traditional Italian town, like a real traditional town with this small butcher and all that stuff. More than 50 shops there accept Bitcoin as well. I went into the butcher shop. This woman was working at 60 plus years old. You see this old ham and homemade jelly and jam parts. And I'm like, do you know how to accept Bitcoin? She pulls out the iPad.

She said, yeah, you can scan it. You can pay with Bitcoin. So I've seen it in the smallest town in the world So I've seen it in the smallest town in the world. I've seen it in the biggest town in the world. So in my opinion, it's possible all over the world. We need these engines that are willing to spend time to educate those people in how to accept cryptocurrency. And I think if you zoom out, then we need to start with the kids. And I think this is exactly the failure at the

moment of cryptocurrency. We are not including children into this industry. And if we look at the banks, how did they catch you? How did they catch me? When we were 12, we got a piggy bank account with 25 US dollars. Oh, and you can now use this plastic card and welcome to the banking system. We need to do the same. College savings, you know, all these things. I mean, you're told to do those things for your children from the day they're born. Certainly in this country. Exactly.

And I think we need to do this in crypto as well. We need to start to include these kids into the system, educate them. And then it will take maybe 10 years, of course, or something before they will grow old and start to ask everywhere if they can pay with Bitcoin directly and all that stuff, but it will take some time. But I think if you have these motors in every town, like Ellie in Slovenia, or like I think in Italy, it's called Compio Euro, the company is called there. So they just

Educate people and they make the money of course in the in the fees So there is a business model in this we think need to show the world How can you as an entrepreneur set up a company in Spain? That has a business model you can earn money with by educating people how to start accepting crypto. Because we are living in a world where people are greedy

and scary, you know? Yeah. Not bad, but not my style. But if you can get entrepreneurs greedy and making money by selling the message of crypto, then you're there. And I think we already have two or three examples of these kind of companies.

And online, we have Bitrefill and all these companies, of course, where you can buy all the coupons for the Burger King or the McDonald's. But physically, we need this as well to get to mainstream adoption. I agree. So I see the Bitcoin family hat in the background there behind you. When did you guys become known as the Bitcoin family and how did that become, I mean, I'm assuming it's become somewhat of a business and an identity for you, correct? Yeah, at the beginning, there was an article written, I think, in an Australian newspaper.

Yeah, it was Sydney, I think, and the Sydney Herald, I think it was called. And they bombed us to the Bitcoin family. They were like, we have a Bitcoin family. So at that point, I read this article and I was like, oh, wow, we are the Bitcoin family. Let's be the Bitcoin family. Good branding.

Good branding. I went online. I said, okay, register the domain name, thebitcoinfamily.com. And of course, all that stuff. And then it just slowly grew into this vlogging family that was just wanting to share vlogs of families, of a traveling family but then of because you have a story you get asked to be a keynote speaker on events and all that stuff your story becomes bigger and bigger more and more podcasts more and more interviews um you know now i think there are six documentaries already made about us yeah so um wall street journal was one of the big ones, of course. Then you get known as the Bitcoin family.

And then there is only one thing you can do is you can make a brand out of it. In my opinion, I'm still an entrepreneur. Yeah, of course. Yeah. And, and then I remember there was a portico. I sat together with my wife and we were like, okay, do we really still want this? Because my wife was like, Oh my daddy. Oh my God, Didi, our life is being led again.

You know, we are being pulled to Madridrid to there is it what we chose for and i was like but darling if we can if we can just monetize this brand and use all of the profits we make with vlogging on youtube with selling our book all that stuff and we just share this profit with all these poor people all in the world we become the most happy family in the world oh my god the most so that's and we just share this profit with all these poor people all over the world we become the most happy family in the world oh my god the most so that's what we decided so we just said let's do it let's monetize this brand and then let's share all the profits of the brand and or invest it or do you know these projects where you help people and then you just try to do your contribution and changing the world for example i, I will show you this.

You will love this, Scott. This one might- Yeah, please. We were in Koh Phangan in Thailand. And there was this COVID situation. So a lot of hotels closed because there was no tourists coming in. And these people working in the Thailand

are mostly the people from Myanmar. But they love their job. They didn't have food, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff. But then there was this guy, Norwegian guy, and he taught us and he was collecting money. And so we helped him with collecting donations. And then we bought a sewing machine. And from the sewing machine, they created from the rice bags we normally threw away, he created like wallets or all that kind of stuff, you know? Yeah, very cool.

Yeah. And they started to make these things now and they make money now. So every time we make profit with YouTube or a book or whatever, we just give this to these kinds of projects. And that just makes me very happy. And I'm going to, the vision behind this is again, leading by example.

I want to make a shit load of money with my YouTube channel. We just started monetizing it like two months ago because I didn't even know you could monetize it. Yeah. It's terrible. Just a button. Click it. It's just a button. So you're monetizing it now and we are going to film then

we are going to give away everything so we create a circle where we give away we make a beautiful video about it people will see it they will watch more money more we will give and this is what we want to do now so just help um you know all these people over the world because you know they need it we don don't need it. It's amazing. It's just amazing. But you have to keep something for yourself, right? I mean, unless, of course, you have just like millions and millions and millions of dollars

worth of Bitcoin to live on. But I mean, you still have to, I guess, if Bitcoin crashed or something, you still have to have some sort of money to live, right? Even if that's Bitcoin. So, I mean, I have to imagine you still keep to have some sort of money to live right even if that's bitcoin so i mean i have to imagine you still keep some of it correct i mean you it's your job to some degree uh you know i'm i'm also an advisor for some companies so i make money on on all different

ways in blockchain and crypto as a speaker as an advisor right so you do keep so it's what you make on youtube you're giving back basically in this cyclical plan and you have your other side things where you can still live off of those things being paid in crypto. YouTube completely. All the sales of our website, about 25% goes to charity. My speaking fees, I always negotiate so that I tell them, if you pay me a speaking fee, I will donate it also to charity. So the only thing that I, we live on is, um, on holdings, but they are not millions and millions and millions of dollars. I can tell you that very honest. And my trading, you know, I trade daily and, um, so there I make some money,

of course, as well. Yeah. Okay, so most people lose money trading. Most people don't make money trading. So talk to me about that. Now I'm fascinated because now we're in my wheelhouse. Talk to me about trading. What kind of trading do you do? Where do you trade? Do you trade altcoins?

Do you only trade Bitcoin? Do you trade with or without leverage? What's your trading strategy? At the moment, my trading strategy is very simple. About 75% is on hardware wallets. I don't touch that amount. Same. 25% I trade with.

And of those 25%, every trade I do is about 5%. Mostly at the moment on altcoins because every time when Bitcoin goes this sideways, beautiful time, and you know, these altcoins like yesterday, you know, 1500%, man. I'm sorry, I know. I mean, that was, you know, this DeFi craze is, it's pretty serious. It is very, very reminiscent of ICOs in 2017. I'm not saying that the ending will be the same.

I'm just saying daily pumps of thousands of percents. It's very reminiscent. Yeah. So at the beginning, I lost a lot with trading. Of course, you learn by doing. And then you follow courses. And then you learn to trade a little bit more cautious. And now there's a few people that are also now advising me on to buying coins.

Because you get into this crypto world world and you know how it is. If you know people early, yep. Becomes. Yeah. It becomes a little bit more easy. And most people would refer to this as the, as yeah,

the market is being manipulated. Yeah, it is. All the markets in the world are being manipulated and just need to play the game the right way. You know, I, I view that completely. I agree with you everything is quote unquote manipulated but

i've always had the opinion that bitcoin is a free market and that it's actually the stock market and other markets that are manipulated i guess it depends on your definition of manipulation if manipulation means that someone with a whole lot of money can move the market, then yes, Bitcoin is manipulated. But I think printing endless money and buying corporate stocks and propping up companies that should be out of business, that's manipulation. That's the scam. You can't blame someone with a lot of Bitcoin for moving the market in their favor. That's literally the definition of a free market. That is not manipulation. That's just the market. I completely agree with you. What I meant indeed is that if the U.S. government keeps printing this shitload of money,

they are manipulating every market out there. And this is going to somewhere collapse, of course, because we can't be doing this. And I think it's a fair game if a trader has made a lot of money. He can move the market, of course, because we can't be doing this. And I think it's a fair game if a trader has made a lot of money. He can move the market, of course. I am moving the market sometimes in small coins. All coins, for sure, if you want to get in. Because else it would be the same as I, as a football player, cannot use my best skill. Why not?

I'm a football player. I'm going to use my skill the best way. It infuriates me when people like imply that the stock market is the real market and that Bitcoin is some sort of like manipulated fake market. It just infuriates me. So that touches on something interesting. So you're trading altcoins. Do you believe in any of them or is it strictly about stacking sats and accumulating more Bitcoin uh some of them i really believe in some projects i i was an early believer in them and of course you invest in those as well but

you need to be honest sometimes if i if i see a call if i see a if if you see a chart i'm like okay i don't even know what the project is but this one is bubbling out. Why not? You know, why not risk $1,000 or $2,000? It takes 10%. It's $200. You know, how many hours people need to work to earn $200? I can do it on my chair in my camper van sometimes. So it's,

it's a different, it's, it's, there was a phase. I was only investing in currencies that I really believed in the projects, but I lost a lot of money because of this. Because at the end, you can buy their tokens, but if the company increases in value in the future,

it doesn't mean that your token is going to increase in value. Right. Also, sometimes there's stipulations about when you can sell. There's nothing worse than being forced to hold something and seeing it go crazy and then go all the way back and you know i think that a lot of people have um experiences it's more the other way around there are some currencies i just have a little bit problems with trading so i don't touch them like for example xrp for me it's a no-go i won't trade them even if if I can make huge profits. It's just not my favorite coin.

But that's also what you were touching on. In that case specifically, there's a big difference between the success of the company and the success of the coin. So Ripple could become a global leader in payments or software or whatever they're working on. And XRP could theoretically drop even with that happening. So they're not necessarily so, you know, intimately tied. I mean, I tend to agree. I'll trade it, you know, but I, yeah, I think that it's very hard to, you know, unless you've been very dedicated to it from the beginning.

And, you know, there's a lot of passionate communities around some of these projects. And, you know, I definitely don't of passionate communities around some of these projects. And, you know, I definitely don't want to poke the hornet's nest. I've been there. That's really cool that you trade so much. How do you emotionally deal with losses when they happen in trading? Because to me, that's the most fundamental part of being a good trader is that the losses really don't affect you. Do they still affect you or is it something you learned

and you got over? It's a golden rule that you only play with the money you can afford to lose. So I play with this. I can afford to lose. And if you went all in once in Bitcoin and any other trade you're going to do afterwards, it's not that big. But you don't want to lose and if you went all in once in bitcoin and any other trade you're going to do afterwards it's not that big you know it's not you don't want to lose your bitcoin but yeah you just don't want to squander your bitcoin when you're living on it so yeah i think it's more than the competitive part that hurts me so that i didn't read the chart right that i'm like man diddy you should have you know this part it's not the money that i'm losing but that you just how can you say you're just not yeah the ego again like oh man you should have seen that or you should have known that or you should have but you can't see anything and you know sometimes you win and sometimes you lose and it's it's a game and then you know sometimes people go to the gym to

sport every day some people go yeah i do training now and then and when i lose i run into the pool i jump make a somersault i i just do something else you know i respect myself so you're an athlete obviously at a very very high level so you grew up being i would imagine extremely competitive right i mean everything was probably about winning and being a winner. I mean, that's the polar opposite of giving up everything and just going off on your own, right? I mean, you talked about it with trading. You have that competitive nature, but how do you like fuel,

how do you fill that spirit, that part of you that probably needs competition and winning? Is it playing games with your kids? I mean, or is it you're just past it? Everywhere I come, I play games. If I go to the beach in Koh Phangan, I search a football field, I go play football. If I'm in Bali, I play football on the beach.

If I'm here in the pool with the kids, I still raise them in the pool. You know, who's going to be first? You know, I create these. Yeah, I just create games in my mind. Even though I make a daily vlog on YouTube nowadays, I create these, yeah, I just create games in my mind. Even though I make a daily vlog on YouTube nowadays, I create this mind tomorrow I need to do something strange because else it's not a good vlog.

So I need to push myself to go into a hill or to, you know, to dive into a cave or whatever. And I just, you know, just try to make life an adventure. And then that's all kind of, you know, sort of kind of a passion nowadays, traveling and making life an adventure and then that's all kind of you know so kind of a passion nowadays traveling and making life an adventure so that's a game and you can you can be very creative in this one yeah and I have three dollars you know yeah I mean do you think you'll ever settle down again are you I mean you can do this till the day are you you're 85 years old and in the van

in the middle of Slovenia somewhere? Or do you think that you'll settle down? I think my dream is that I would be in 30 years this very old gray man still traveling the world, sitting in a beautiful huge camper van and and just you know telling stories to other travelers that then visit your van at that point but you know it's we as a family my wife and i just agreed that the most important part of that the kids are happy so we don't know how life will evolve my oldest one is now 15 she starts to dig boys so you know she wants to kiss she wants to have all the fun i had when i was young so you adapt to this we don't know the outcome yet because it's not a standard life it's

not a life that everybody has lived so we can't predict yet what is going to happen to this as a family because you know we didn't have this example in my life nobody has nobody had yeah kind of unless you're raised by a hippie, you know, 70 in the 1970s in the United States. You know, my parents were hippies, but we didn't get that full experience as kids.

But yeah, I mean, there have been times and, you know, traveling caravans and things like that. But what you're doing is extremely unique. It is.

And we just don't know the outcome. And we just have one rule. The kids need to be happy. So if one of the kids tells us, okay, I want to settle down for a few months, or we like Australia, let's live here for a year, or we like it, then we just stay there for a year. And we just taste that culture, taste that food, taste all those people. And then when it's time to move again, we move.

At the beginning, travel like like crazy like two weeks here one week there three days there five days there and now we slow travel so now we say three months in spain for example and then we go for two weeks to austria two weeks to switzerland and then for example again three months on cyprus you know that we we take the pace down so that the kids can adapt to that place a little bit more and find friends. Do the kids ever get super sick of each other because you're in close quarters, like you're traveling around in the van and they're just fighting and fighting and fighting? Daily, daily. You know, I'm living this life with four women. It's a hell.

I didn't want to say it, but wow. No, it's not easy. People always see the Instagram pictures and the YouTube videos and they always think oh what a beautiful life it's just a normal life it's a family traveling the world we have the same problems all the family have but we are closer together but in the other hand you're also have more space because if we are near a beach you can fly where you want I'm going to go to the beach. I'm going to swim. Do whatever you want.

They have their period. Every week when they have their period, I'm a lot on the beach. I hope you're near that. So it's all fun. It's all fun. You get very close. The kids, they bond a lot with us the bond between the sisters is really strong yeah they fight the parents well that's part of

not that that's part of the family bond is fighting right that means you love each other so your daughter you said she's 15 she wants meet boys. She meets a boy and then you leave, right? I mean, how do they maintain long-term social connections if you're always on the road? Like how do they have really close friends or do they have, you know, just kind of casual friendships all around the world? They of course have their really close friends from the Netherlands because we touch base in the Netherlands now and then, and then they still have their friends over there. And, you know, nowadays, you know, you have this social media thing.

You have like Snapchat. It's so easy. Yeah. It's like they have Zoom calls. They do. My youngest one is 10. I was amazed. We were in Thailand.

She had her birthday over there and she was becoming 10 years old. So she did a birthday with her friends in Thailand over there. And the evening, she went into this world called, I think, Roblox. And she played Roblox. And then she has a house over there. And she invited her other Dutch friends. She celebrated her birthday in this virtual world. And I told her, I said, and the day after she came to me and she's like, daddy, this game Roblox, you know, can I have 20 bucks for what? Yeah, I need to buy digital bucks like Bitcoin, but then Roblox, you need bucks. I said, what are you going to do with it?

I can buy my house, bigger house or, but can you make money there? So that's my question. How do you earn money? Oh, that's easy. So if you give me a solution, how you make money, I give you $20. You're my question. How do you earn money? Oh, that's easy. So if you give me a solution how you make money, I give you $20. You're my best. Show me your pitch deck.

Give me a one pager. And then she said, okay, that's easy. Give me 20 bucks. I build a pool and I ask one box and everybody that wants to swim in my pool. And then I told her, do you really think that people are going to pay fake money to swim in your pool. And then I told her, do you really think that people are going to pay fake money to swim in your pool?

And when I was asking her, my mind already went, shit, yeah, we are that far. We're doing that, yeah, cool. We're already doing that. Yeah, the people care more about their online appearance than their offline appearance. They spend more money on their avatars clothes and shoes

than their normal shoes. So to come back to your question, yes, we also prepare the kids for this life that could become more virtual and where they meet and greet people in online environments. And at the same time, we try to break them in being too much on their phone, on their laptop. Yeah, it's so hard these days. Do you think that you could have lived this lifestyle in the 80s

before phones and before the things you're talking about before social media when they couldn't maintain those connections? I mean, I'm in my 40s. So when I was a kid, and I went to camp, and I made a friend, we wrote letters. And inevitably, that tapered off because my parents, they weren't sending me to New York to visit this friend that I had made. So we wrote letters for six months and then we found girls and stopped writing letters. Do you think that you could have done this before? Do you think that the world we live in actually makes it much easier? I think the world we live in makes it easier.

But I also think that if you go back in that time, there are also things that would make it more easy. Because if you don't have all this online media to keep contact with. No distractions. Distractions. You focus again on playing with kids outside. So the main reason I think most children are sitting inside with their iPhone is because there are no other kids outside playing anymore. It's crazy.

All we did as kids was play outside. I spent every day of my life playing outside and fighting with my parents as to what time I had to come home. And you came late and you met new friends on the playground, wherever in the city you went. And I think in the 80s, that was still there. So then they would have met people in that way. But nowadays, you know, I can ask my kids every day, go outside, go to the court or go to the basketball playing court. And nobody's there. There is nobody. It's terrible. It's terrible on the one hand. And then the other hand is exciting to see how this whole shift is taking place in humanity.

So talk to me about your grand plan with the YouTube. I mean, do you think your kids, this is what they're going to do for a living? Do you think that you'll keep going with the vlogs as they get older and they'll be 30 and you'll be older and you guys will be recording this? Or do you think they'll go off on their own? It started as a family vlog, but we didn't get views. We made really cool family vlogs of us traveling to a store with a van and asking, can we pay with Bitcoin? Well, we got 200, 300 views, nothing. So the kids lost their appetite for spending their time. But now we were in Koh Phangan, I met Carl Lamoon and Chris from MM

Crypto Chris. So I spent three months with them. and then one night I spent with Chris and Carl they told me did he why don't you YouTube more why don't you make your daily videos you know you you're a good talker why not yeah I'm like man we don't make money with YouTube then they showed me what they were making with YouTube and I was like possible man the fuck off I mean there's guys making millions on youtube and then you add in affiliate fees for things that they're marketing and they're making a bitcoin to a day on affiliate fees i had no even concept of the money in it until someone told me about it recently

same so i knew that musicians you know i knew musicians basically like every million views you can make three thousand bucks on advertising or whatever the you know yeah yeah yeah so for me it was something like wow so i went back home to the kids to my wife i told them okay we're going to try it one more time we're going to make cook kick-ass videos because i saw what we can earn and if we can monetize it we can give it away we can also use it for ourselves whatever you know but we need to try it again and then my wife told me diddy i just really don't like all the attention and my kids looked at me like oh dad you cannot become the same vlogger like them you're not up to it you cannot make money and that triggered this there's the competition yes that came to competition so i told them so okay i'm going to make a daily video.

I'm going to walk the beach because I'm getting lazy and fat and I need to sport. So I'm going to combine two passions, walking the beach, do searching for adventure. And I'm going to vlog it and talk about Bitcoin and blockchain and everything else in life that I like. And they were laughing.

They were like, ah, it's not possible. And then in two months time, we grew from 1,800 subscribers to 7,500 subscribers. We started to monetize the channel. Now we make not a lot of money, but we make money with YouTube.

So I showed the laptop to my kids. I'm like, here, you're crazy old dad, 43 years old, is making money by walking on the beach, leading by example. Yeah, you can do it as well. Just talk about what you like. Make beautiful content. Edit it. Do some time. Spend your time. Just talk about what you like, make beautiful content, edit it, do some time,

spend your time. It's not that you're investing anything else in time and you can monetize your skills. And now they are like, oh, but you get more likes and you get more subscribers. And now I'm telling them

this joke like, okay, wait, you need to wait now because there are more people in line. I'm becoming the biggest YouTuber of the world. And if I'm the biggest in the world, more people in line. I'm becoming the biggest YouTuber of the world. And if I'm the biggest in the world, step behind in line for another graph.

That's right. You got to put your kids in their place. I didn't realize you were also, we're exactly the same age, 43. So it's not, not a surprise that I'm a, that a lot of the things you're saying and your experiences are resonating

with me because we're exactly, I was born in the end of 1976. you know before we wrap up what what's your message for people i mean is this something you think anyone can do do you think that you are in a unique position where you know you have the skill set to go and survive and do this or do you think that any family anywhere can pick up and make this happen? I mean, what's your message? What do you want to teach people? What's my message? It's a bad question. You know, life is always a struggle. A life goes with ups and downs. If you don't have downs, you don't have ups. So I think the thing we are doing,

everybody can do it because I think the life you're leading now is way more difficult than the life we are leading. It's just the first step. You know, it's the first step. You climb up the ladder to bungee jump. You're on the top and you need to jump. And then you're like, whoa, I'm not going to jump. Then somebody pushes you, you jump, and you want to jump again and again and again. Then it becomes fun. It's the same with this step in life, you know.

And at the same time, I think people need to realize, and that is the only positive thing I can say about the whole COVID situation. People are realizing now that it's also fun to spend time with kids. Life should not be about accumulating wealth. Life should be about living life and accumulating happiness. I end my video every day with, you need to zoom out in Bitcoin. You need to zoom in at life. You need to enjoy every single minute of the day

because that is exactly what makes life worth living. You don't stress every minute of the day about the charts. This is not what life is only about. So I think everybody can do it, but you need to lose the fear of losing everything you have. So first step is minimizing your belongings, not giving a shit about all this materialistic stuff because that will give you only short-term happiness. And then you start to focus on things that give you long-term happiness, like becoming

internally happy. This will take a very long time. This will stick to you for your whole life. The new iPhone is not special anymore when there is a new model coming out again. It's short-term happiness. So when people lose that fear and understand that life is not only about accumulating wealth, I think then the step is really easy. Because if you lose the fear of losing everything, all your dreams will come true.

I think fear is the biggest killer of all your dreams. You're not preceding your dreams because of fear. And this should stop. It's an amazing message. I love it. So where should everybody follow you? Where can they find you? Where can they be some of those valuable views on your YouTube?

Oh, yeah. That's the only thing, man. I would be very honored and very thankful as people just start to subscribe to my YouTube channel and watch my views and click the thumbs up and all that stuff so that I can monetize this because I really want to give more the world I really want to give more to people that really need it so you know it's it just takes them a minute just subscribe to a channel and then you know like my videos maybe you

even watch them but the content is really cool I think yeah I do my best every day and so that would be the main goal for me because I want to monetize this channel more and more and more so I can give more and more and more and show people how life could be easy as well. So subscribing to your channel and watching your videos is literally a form of charity. It is literally a form of charity because transparency, I will also show transparent and all the,

I will do screenshots of everything that goes in and everything that goes out exactly because it's people just need to see it you know people don't believe it till they see it i think that you're a scammer or a liar or any of the things that you can get accused of in this community that's why i film it oh man you uh you definitely blew my mind it's a very inspiring story. And one, you know, I think that it resonates with probably most people because all of us have that fear of letting go, you know, and very few of us do it. So, and maybe for some of us, there's a happy medium between the rat race and what you're doing. And, you know, that would be okay too. I've always, you know, wanted to just pick up my

family and my kids and just, even if it's three months a year or something, to do kind of what you're doing. And you've definitely inspired me to hopefully once this COVID thing settles in and it's easier to do that. So thank you very much for that on a personal level. And thank you for your time and for doing this. Yeah, you're very

welcome. And again, it was an honor to be in your show, man. I love the thing you're doing in this space. And again, you can try it for three months. You can always try. That's why I created this t-shirt. And again, it was an honor to be in your show, man. I love the thing you're doing in this space. And again, yeah, you can try it for three months, you know, you can always try it. That's why I created this t-shirt, you know, it says born to be free. You know, we are all born to be free. I love it. Do you sell those somewhere? They are being sold on my website as well. Yeah. Okay. So everybody go to his website, subscribe to his YouTube,

follow him on Twitter just do it please it's amazing thank you very much again we'll speak soon