The Worst Idea Of All Time - 06: Unreachable and On A Ranch

Episode Date: December 24, 2025

Coming to you from the sleeping bags they just spent the night in, inside the comedy club they currently live in - Guy and Tim are picking apart the financial performance of Joker 2 and the incredible... reaction of Todd Phillips upon release of the film. Tim tries (to limited avail) to tie the trajectory of the watches to Elisabeth Kübler-Ross’ five stages of grief. Guy poses the question: Who are the fans of this movie?Please enjoy our pursuits in full HD video at twioat.substack.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The worst idea of all time. Worst idea of all time. A fresh way to lose your mind. Your boys are bad with what you need. It's got worse things, then life are free. It's an idea of all time. That was a great new way to wreck your mind. What's the worst idea of all time?
Starting point is 00:00:22 I'll wait until we're on the record. What should I say? On the record. You know, sometimes you say something and you convince it's going to just change everyone's day and it just passes you by. What feature of the different pronunciations of record would suggest to you that it would have any impact on anyone in here?
Starting point is 00:00:52 Well, it's different. On the record and on the record, Yeah. Is it the same thing? Yeah, you're right. Has it always been the same thing? Sorry?
Starting point is 00:01:05 Has it always been the same thing? You're saying they're not the same thing. Yeah, because people were putting things on the record before there was recording equipment. Yeah. So on the record. Well, I would say etymology is putting it on the record means to note something down, to record it.
Starting point is 00:01:23 And then when you had the technology that was music with a vinyl, that's what that meant. It was a record of the music. On the record. But then we started saying... We changed how we say. Record. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:36 And we relegated... Put on my record. Hey, can you put on that new Steely Dan record? Yeah. No one's ever said that. I was hasty to judge you before. Thank you. Maybe we just went on your level.
Starting point is 00:01:49 That's how I feel moving around in the world sometimes. You probably could have given a little more context. Well, maybe it just required a little more explanate... I want to ask you a question. Yeah. Is this conversation being broadcast? I don't know. I think it is.
Starting point is 00:02:05 Hi everyone and welcome back to the worst idea of all time. Method film review for the 2024 $200 million US dollar budget, Joker 2, Foley et De. You meet us at breakfast, the most important screening of the day. I'm Guy Montgomery. And I'm Tim Bat. we have just woken up for our AM screening
Starting point is 00:02:33 of the film and you could call the AM screening you could call it the sixth screening you know there are different ways to skin a kit you call it the first screening to watch a movie first screening of today yeah today is
Starting point is 00:02:49 Tuesday for us one of the seven most famous days of the week what do you think is the most famous day Friday right surely Friday was a bullet Friday or Monday are the two big they're the heavy hitters Yeah Like if you were
Starting point is 00:03:04 You know If you were gonna make a movie About the week Yeah You were the two stars You'd want to secure first Would be Monday and Friday I feel like this Joker 2 picked Monday
Starting point is 00:03:14 To make us the focus of the film And what everyone wants is to see a movie about Friday Dude yeah This movie has absolutely no Friday Do you know There's not a single Friday in this movie I think And it covers multiple days
Starting point is 00:03:27 But there is not a single Friday It captured on screen I've had so little sleep The last two days What is the Australian Hold on for a single What's changed about your sleeping arrangement That's challenging you like this
Starting point is 00:03:37 What's the Australian actor's name Who portrayed Joker in the Nolan films Heath Ledger Heath Ledger is a Friday Joker Yeah Wachene Phoenix is a Monday Joker Dude I couldn't agree more
Starting point is 00:03:49 And what's crazy is I mean I don't want to get into it You know May God rest his soul but Joaquin Phoenix didn't joker himself as hard as people say Heath Ledger joked himself and yet the Friday you know
Starting point is 00:04:02 I think a Friday joke would be holding things a little more lightly you would think this is yeah this is a bit I would like to introduce something that isn't this particular topic and that is something that occurred to me last episode that I didn't
Starting point is 00:04:17 oh there's a couple things we've learned first of all I can't stress this any more strongly we just watched the movie I think that has been established. I don't doubt that anyone listening to this is questioning the veracity of that claim. It is. There is not, no one in the world could be having this conversation right now except us. I know.
Starting point is 00:04:40 And how did we get here? Everyone believes us. But some things are so important. You need to like really just affirm that it happened. Like we just watched that again. The whole thing. I knowable. Us and it.
Starting point is 00:04:56 Yeah, together. And I will say, I thought we were collaborating. Yeah, we were working together a lot better than last night. I thought we collaborated this morning. Yeah. I understand last night's episode was struck from the record. So I don't know if you've listened to it, but we did one. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:12 Happy update, nothing burned down. That's right. So that's a plus. The battery remains in a metal bucket. Yeah. Next to a brick wall. Yeah. Fact.
Starting point is 00:05:22 Scott. owner of the building if you're listening to this it's all good don't worry about it's all good just don't worry about it that's right so what have we found out
Starting point is 00:05:32 the budget of the film aforementioned 200 million US dollars and I'm not quite The box office The box office for memory $213 million It's still considered
Starting point is 00:05:45 a bit of a bomb Oh a huge bomb You gotta make You gotta make you money I also don't know if the 200 million I don't think it covers marketing You don't think it's marketing? You just think it's production.
Starting point is 00:05:55 I think this is a, you know, the studio in a real quandary here. I don't think it mattered how much money you threw at the marketing of this movie. Like, it could not make it an appealing prospect. Now, speaking of marketing, the other, the second of two fun facts we've learned since we last joined you, is Guy discovered the whereabouts of our genius director. Yeah, opening weekend. I was just dusting up a little bit on the sort of. of, I suppose, the law of not the universe of the film, but the universe of the film's release.
Starting point is 00:06:29 And the law I understand is that on opening weekend, Todd Phillips was described as both unreachable and on a ranch. Unbelievable artistic ambition. You told me that while we were watching, I think, and I'll repeat what I said to you. I said, I long for a day of my life when I reach so far that I make something which causes me to be uncontactable on a ranch for a week after it comes out. Upon delivery. The courage. Is it courage?
Starting point is 00:07:10 Or is it cowardice? Oh, that specific move is cowardice. Yes. Yes. Hard to get away from that. I had to get away from the fact that you are making the problem you made everyone else's problem in that moment. You talk about people jokering themselves. No one jokered themselves harder than Todd Phillips in the making of this movie.
Starting point is 00:07:31 I'm not quite sure how we're defining that verb. But what does it mean to joker oneself? It means basically, I think, to alienate yourself from reality. Right, right. To buy into your own fantasy, to drink your own collade. get high on your own supply This guy basically Even if it went
Starting point is 00:07:53 If it went well or poorly It didn't make a difference to him Because he is so divorced From the world in which this movie was released What did happen though Because if we don't have any test screenings There would have been like premieres or something That critics went to
Starting point is 00:08:09 It premiered As to the first Joker Can't Venice And he fought for that I'll bet The studio didn't want want this to premiere at Venice.
Starting point is 00:08:20 I'll bet. And he wanted it to. Right. And he got his wicked way, and then it got a commercial release, and he said, if anyone needs me, I will be uncontactable. At a ranch for a week. Do you, did you read anything about its reception at Venice? No.
Starting point is 00:08:38 I love to know. I know very little. I think what's important is, this is good sort of color commentary. This is good peripheral ambient noise on our. experience but we must divorce what we are doing from the way that these sort of uh you know they can call us johnny come lately's i would call them sort of fly by critics i you know these guys i genuinely think and you pointed this out to me during this morning screening you you said this is a fine choice for a method film review you could not ask for a richer text no matter how
Starting point is 00:09:16 challenging it is to watch as a movie and isolation from the experiment as far as, you know... Well, what I told you is that this movie is essentially about psychosis and the process we're undergoing of how we are watching it is is getting us closer, which feels like a more honest way to review Joker 2.
Starting point is 00:09:36 And to that end, may I introduce something to the court, Your Honor? You go for it. It occurred to me yesterday and I googled it this morning. The seven stages of grief because this was our sixth's sixth
Starting point is 00:09:52 screening of the movie so the first stage of grief is disbelief incredible that sixth is trading on
Starting point is 00:09:59 one vowel like the way you struggle then tells me it should have a second foul put a fucking
Starting point is 00:10:07 consonant after the X there's an X in there give us an E or something six an O
Starting point is 00:10:13 would be fine and yet width rolls off the tongue. Width does. D and T. People think you can substitute a D for a T, but you can't.
Starting point is 00:10:22 Dude, X is like a syllable and a half or by itself pretty much. It's a mouthful. Yeah. Concept of X. By the way. Disbelief is the first. I think that does sort of track to our first watching, don't you think? If you can remember back to...
Starting point is 00:10:37 No, I can't. I just want you to tell me how you're grieving. Okay, well, disbelief was the first, and I think that maps quite well into the first episode, and I'm so glad you're not going to join me in this journey. The second episode Oh sorry The second stage of grief is denial Yeah
Starting point is 00:10:51 I cannot remember Our reading of the second You think Each time we watched Yeah continue Anger is the third That's certainly come up Denial actually does sort of track
Starting point is 00:11:06 With what I remember to be A sec Wait no They are all blurring together Bargaining is the fourth stage of grief how can you bargain with something like this I'm trying to remember which
Starting point is 00:11:22 episode was our fourth that was our mid yesterday midday we did bargain with the movie we did bargain with the movie yeah depression is the next stage which was our last go around
Starting point is 00:11:39 which brings us to testing and I believe it I think that where we're at this morning and the sort of conversation that occurred while we were watching the film today does suggest that you and I are both
Starting point is 00:12:01 willing to hear it out again we're kicking the tires on this film after a little bit of sleep and we're saying would be too hasty we're unfair is there something we didn't notice as there a new perspective with which to absorb the material uh is there a new perspective with which to view ourselves as film reviewers
Starting point is 00:12:28 is there and what does that say about what we said about the film we are dealing in a secondary market of opinion i can't make it there i i i what I mean, what is interesting to me is that this would mean that this next screening is going to be acceptance and that this does not allow for the subsequent
Starting point is 00:12:53 Oh, do you know what the final stage is? Acceptance. Yeah. So then where does that leave the eight subsequent screenings? A drift. If you want to talk numbers, Tim. Well, maybe we're over-greaving at that point.
Starting point is 00:13:09 How many... It's the stages of grief, yes. How many... How many minutes do you think we're going to spend watching this movie? Okay, 800 blasted into my head. And I know it's not true, but I have to tell you my emotional... 1920, a prox. Fucking hell.
Starting point is 00:13:25 So as many lines of... As many lines of vertical pixels on a full HD image is the minutes we have to spend with Joker. I've not run these past a calculator. I spent some of my time during the script. figuring it out 32 hours So for a five day project
Starting point is 00:13:47 Good Lord We are spending over one full day Of our time Yeah And that's good In the company of And that's good And that's correct
Starting point is 00:13:57 And that's as it should be I'm glad this has put a bit of wind In your sales Well it is I mean listen People aren't fucking Reviewing movies properly Do you but And if we have to
Starting point is 00:14:08 The amount of times man You see someone doing something And you're like Well I guess I'm going to have to fucking do this myself if no one else is going to do it right and it is up to us because no one else is going to do this
Starting point is 00:14:20 are they? They're not going to fucking relocate into a comedy club for a week. Do you ever worry that our spend a biological day with Joker 2? They're not doing that. Do you ever worry that even through our process our findings are going to
Starting point is 00:14:36 map exactly on top of the fly-through critics experience of Joker 2? it's not even important to me because we'll be qualified to say so even if we arrive at the same destination what we have to say is valid and what they have to say is not
Starting point is 00:14:54 because they only got to watch the movie once so I don't even care if the landing position of where arrive there is like exactly what they think as well there's is irrelevant that's not for them to say invalid and invalid that is crippled
Starting point is 00:15:12 and ours is correct because you've got to do the work that's where we are yeah so I guess that brings us to the question which is what did you think of the movie Joker 2 today guy
Starting point is 00:15:27 I I think it bothers me the way that sometimes I take this movie seriously it is like it is honestly hanging over me and it is inevitable
Starting point is 00:15:47 and yet it still weighs on me to confront this movie you know like in earnest I think it's I mean top line I think it's boring I think a huge reason why it's boring is that
Starting point is 00:16:02 you know what is meant to propel us forwards through it is watching a love story between two people who have the emotional and whatever they're portrayed as mentally ill like the movie is essentially meant to be about mental illness but it is and it is a serious movie but it is not a serious movie it is not a movie that can be taken seriously it is a movie that treats itself seriously yeah it is not a movie that deserves to be taken seriously yeah and yet the more i watch it the more i am forced to imagine what i might think if i were to take the
Starting point is 00:16:38 movie seriously and I know completely what you mean and the more I watch it the more it bothers me that what I'm meant to latch on to what my fingers are meant to hold onto and is going to propel me and drag me through the two hours and 18 minutes in this beautiful sort of gray scale experience that has been exquisitely captured by whoever is responsible for manning the cameras is that it's a love a story between two people who are basically like that they have there's no i mean number one there are no real redeeming qualities in either of them number two you know you told me i believe last night before bed about a reddit page you know called i'm 14 and this is deep i'm 14 and this is deep and that to me is stuck in my mind is communicating the essence of the intensity of
Starting point is 00:17:32 their relationship yeah because i was referring to a specific moment in the first when it flashed up to me and it's when they are separated by the courthouse jail and they're on opposite sides of the bars and they pass cigarette smoke from Lady Gaga's mouth into White Canes. I'm refusing to use the character's names
Starting point is 00:17:52 such as my disrespect to the film to. To care or invest in their story is like such a monumental ask of the audience aka me that it is like it is honestly it's not just boring
Starting point is 00:18:07 it is disrespectful to me it is disrespectful for me to take all of the information I have of what it is to be alive and use that to interpret what is communicated on the screen like Arthur is pathetic
Starting point is 00:18:24 whatever that is the text of the movie like Arthur is you know he's he's pathetic Harley is is pathetic is equally pathetic but she like
Starting point is 00:18:39 I don't she does she seems in some ways to be more pathetic because we don't have that much information about her but all the information about her that we have as an audience says that she is not a victim of any circumstance whatsoever
Starting point is 00:18:54 yeah at least Arthur can be a pro he refuses to take any responsibility for himself and again the fucking frustration at myself that I am too forced to take this movie seriously allowed
Starting point is 00:19:09 listen look at the look at the it's there's nothing else for us to do though that's the problem right
Starting point is 00:19:16 it's narrowed us into a corner I feel like we're spoke about this yesterday we're just going to have to accept and have some acceptance for the fact that
Starting point is 00:19:25 we are going to need to kind of take this movie a little bit on its own terms I think we're because if we don't like if we
Starting point is 00:19:32 maintain an appropriate but sort of ironic detachment from the film we're fucked bro we've got so much more time to spend with it i do think we are breaking ground this episode and like this is a monday this is it's a monday of a movie yeah and so i well i still believe we are breaking ground i have lost the ability to communicate that in the last 15 seconds sure but it is it's a Monday of a film we're currently sitting on a Tuesday it's bad it doesn't deserve our time we acknowledge that however we also must give it our time because that's the decision we've made we are we not as in the decision we made to review this movie but does this movie
Starting point is 00:20:18 exists because Joaquin Phoenix wanted to sing on camera again quite possible quite possible I think if you have walked the line as a credit on your IMDB page and there's some galaxy in which you can bend the universe to make Lady Gaga your co-star in a movie then you can get Todd Phillips to make a musical for you to support your desire to sing in a film again like absolutely he yeah he's he's look he's is I've said it before
Starting point is 00:20:59 he can carry a tune but he can't he can't carry a movie as a singer I think he's quite a can I say this mercurial character is a Joaquin Phoenix as a man in reality I don't know very much about him at all I mean he's an unbelievable actor yeah unbelievably talented actor
Starting point is 00:21:14 that doesn't necessarily make you know and any movie here's in here's the interesting thing about being a great actor it doesn't make you a great singer because they are too different things as with anyone who achieves greatness in their chosen field it doesn't make you anything beyond a great actor it doesn't make him a great decision maker it doesn't make him uh you know it just it just means that when he has to pretend to be someone else yeah he can
Starting point is 00:21:41 get there and so i we are now living with the you know i i am worried about us man okay can i I'm back to I managed to park my fare for a bit and now I'm back to being quite concerned about the rest of the journey for us because we're not halfway yet I drew a little picture of Joker you did I can see that in your notebook
Starting point is 00:22:09 and he's saying you're doing okay guy wow he does say that in a speech bubble that is terrifying to me that's scary you've also gotten big bold letters with 3D shading just Joker yeah can I ask you this how many people are listening to the CD of the soundtrack to this in their car
Starting point is 00:22:28 that's a great question it's not zero that's what's fascinating there's people out there and I sort of touched upon this yesterday I think a little bit there'll be people who are out there purely being contrarian pieces of shit
Starting point is 00:22:43 who fucking like live online as trolls and and just thinking the opposite to what is the truth gives them oxygen in their lungs but there's other people separate people who just have such a weird faulty sense of taste for which this film really fucking spoke to them i think they're probably quite young i think they're like um probably that they might be 14 but with kind of the emotional maturity of even slightly younger like sort of 12 i think this is a movie for
Starting point is 00:23:18 12 year olds in some way because you need to have a lack of a fully developed frontal lobe to fully fuck with these characters in a way where you're like I'm on I can't not only am I on the
Starting point is 00:23:32 you don't need to graft yourself onto the movie but just to say I'm on board with what's happening I'll follow it without being forced to such as we are I will by dint of my own choice, watch the rest of this movie happily and be a fan of it because I'm 12 years old and my brain isn't all there yet. So I'm into it. There's a lot to trick you. It's beautiful,
Starting point is 00:24:00 as we've mentioned many, many times. Lady Gaga's in it. That's novel. It is technically a musical, I guess. That's something for some people. There's a massive turnoff for most. But for some people, they operate inside of the intersect of this crazy Venn diagram of about 16 different circles that barely touch each other. But to your question, I do believe there's four people in the continental United States who have the CD on at their car on the rig. Now, visualize this. You pull up to a traffic light. It's a hot summer's day. a year from now two years from now have passed your windows are down the car next you has the windows down
Starting point is 00:24:51 and audibly not so loud it's for everyone but audibly in a way that communicates they are enjoying it this song is coming through their car and you're sat next to them do you feel moved to say anything oh dude all that's going through my head is how do I balance the absolute need for me to talk to them without going so far as to scaring them so like what is the perfect amount of getting them
Starting point is 00:25:25 on the hook to pull over so I can have a chat to them like how do I do I do that without freaking do you want to tell them about your experience or do you want to ask them where they're at I need to hear where they're at I need to hear all about them I like want their full life story can I say one of the
Starting point is 00:25:40 like a genuine sort of curiosity or itch I have in my head right now is like we are doing this for for reasons that at this point are completely unclear to me I think because we thought it would be funny and the the risk of doing this is that the audience of people who enjoy this might be exactly the people who earnestly enjoyed choker too I don't think there's any possibility of that you've just introduced a brand new tiny circle to the Venn diagram and that one it's nowhere near touching the other ones you don't think I don't think so I don't think so I don't think so no surely not like you know because my understanding is everyone hated this almost entirely and and and we're not at the end of
Starting point is 00:26:39 our journey yet, but it seems so far as if they were correct. Can you look back to the start of our journey? Yeah. And remember what, you know, what got us over the starting line? Because look, right now, we're approaching the middle. So I can hardly see where we start it. And I certainly can't see where we end. So what's your question?
Starting point is 00:27:00 So we're standing in the middle. And I want us to just look on either side of us. I remember, and I said this in the episode to you, when the movie. screened for the first time for about 10 or 12 minutes, I was worried that we had picked a really great movie, which was confusing to me because of everything that I'd heard about the movie. That's what I remember of our starting point. And then the 13th minute started rolling, and I thought, hold on, hold on a second, maybe this isn't a great movie. And then the movie kept on rolling for a subsequent two hours and three minutes beyond that and my suspicions
Starting point is 00:27:40 were confirmed yeah there's dog shit I didn't hate all of it all right well this is as good a time as any to talk about what you liked even if it's one moment a shining light if you mean when Arthur's being carried away after he has his outburst at the court so he has decided to fire his attorney Mary Ann take it upon himself to represent his case don the full clown makeup put on the joker outfit and just go health for leather he's had his best day in court he's been talking at gary puddles he has he has had his best day in court um and then like yes well there was a moment where we were both quite clear-eyed and lucid in the middle of this where we were like analyzing in terms of legalese his defense like analyzing the idea he
Starting point is 00:28:32 thought there was what's his legal strategy here He was going to get off. He didn't even attempt to mount any kind of defense to the charges, presumably that he's fighting in his court case. He just put on a little show. He's got no legal strategy. Yeah. And it frustrates me that it even occurred to me to think about that.
Starting point is 00:28:50 He's oblivious to this, and he's had his best day in court. He's called the guards fat and stupid. Yes, he has. And he's being hauled. He's denigrated everyone else out there who also such a bizarre, argument he's making if I'm understanding him correctly he's saying
Starting point is 00:29:09 Joker's awesome because he got famous because he killed five people therefore he's cool it's like his whole thing with Gary Paddles if you kind of like actually try and get to what he's saying is nah the reason he's cool is everyone knows who he is because he killed five people
Starting point is 00:29:26 everyone knows about that it's like nah man and also so long as we're talking Gary Paddles I mean you talk about now actor having two different days on set, like this guy, he's a fantastic actor. I don't know what he's been in before. He gives this really genuinely wrenching grounded performance of the impact of Arthur's behaviour in the real world. It's like, it's such a strong performance. I
Starting point is 00:29:52 believe it every time I see it. The only other day this actor had on set was in one of Arthur's like fantastical dream sequences where him and Lady Gaga are getting married and he serves as Joker's best man and standing just off centre dancing. Yeah, and a little white suit, I think. Like, what's his read on the movie? I reckon it's a great gig for anyone
Starting point is 00:30:17 except for maybe, you know, Joaquin and Lady Gaga. Everyone else in this is like, this is pretty good. I mean, Todd Phillips hasn't been making nothing but hits his whole career, but, you know, he's got some good notches on his belt. Yeah, I've waylaid you.
Starting point is 00:30:33 The Shining Lighters is being hauled. So this is, he's had such a great day. He's, you know, he's cock of the walk, as you said. And dancing in the moonlight is playing. On the car trip, on the car ride home, yeah. He's taken back to what I will refer to as proto-Archam Asylum. And the guards go, this fucking guy's gotten a little bit. Big for his boots.
Starting point is 00:31:01 Exactly. it needs to be taken down a peg and take him down a peg they do so there's like three guards hauling him away and it's a good clown move while he's being like physically dragged
Starting point is 00:31:17 really manhandled by these men he just slaps one of them in the face it's a really great loose rister like real good clown slap right on his cheek and the I like that not too much attention of it is paid, like by the camera
Starting point is 00:31:33 or whatever, it's just a thing that happens, but it's funny. Yeah. It is genuinely... It does make you laugh. It's funny. So there's 16 jokes. Well done, Todd Phillips. Yeah. Mine would be it's just a line read I've been enjoying. It's one of the
Starting point is 00:31:49 guards, it's the one who's always got a little towel over his shoulder. I don't know if you've noticed. One of these guards always has a little towel. Yeah, because that's the guy who says, how do you feel, Arthur? They're going to kill you. Yeah, yeah. But it's not that, but... But it's that guy.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Yeah, yeah, it's before it. When he gives that, when, you know, Jimmy, Billy, whatever the sort of... Jimmy. Two-Vowye name is that approaches him on the, you know, in the prison courtyard. Yeah. And he goes, you know, I never had a kiss. So you get a good kiss.
Starting point is 00:32:17 And, you know, Joker gives him one brief kiss on the lips. And he's walking away. And the guy says, I got to be... And this is when the guards are still portrayed as somewhat humane and likably. He says, I got to be honest with you. I wouldn't have took you for a hopeless romantic And there's just something about the way the line is delivered I'm always like, you know
Starting point is 00:32:38 Do you know one thing actually to zoom out And give credit where it's due, I think This movie really does dictate its terms Like very rarely do we get to watch The experience of the movie being made Because it is so self-serious You know, I just think it's a good thing I like this, dig more into there
Starting point is 00:32:58 So you're saying like you don't see any of the of the seams you don't get any sense of like what's like it's a what's happening right outside the reason it feels like you know the reason that our conversations to me right now feel so soupy like i feel so like i'm in the middle of the soup yeah you know is because our traditional uh safety measures have been taken from us they have been removed there is because we are trapped in a monday of a movie yeah there is no one walking through in the background of frame with a smile like on their face that we can point to and say
Starting point is 00:33:32 what's going on for them either as an actor on set or for this character on this day in this movie. This movie is so contained and all of the action is so centralised around the story it is force feeding us that all of the characters we see in the background of frame
Starting point is 00:33:48 basically are purely existing in service to following the story that is being told. So there is no character who is walking through the background of frame on their way to work, on their way to a different day. There is no one in the world of this movie who is not following the exact story that the movie is telling us and that is exhausting yeah that is an exhausting place to method film review from because there's
Starting point is 00:34:12 no one who's just living their life everyone's life is existing on arthur flex terms we're on the titanic and not only are there not enough life rafts there's none yeah there's none i would love to be on the titanic i would love to be watching jack and rose on the titanic you talk about a different movie. Good Lord. What I wouldn't give for a competent love story right now. But my shining light
Starting point is 00:34:36 was that guard's delivery of that line. And I've enjoyed it time and again. So hats off to you. I mean, am I alone? Are you feeling soupy right now? Yeah, it's not good. I feel richard.
Starting point is 00:34:48 We are like... I feel... I feel... It's the worst kind of exhausted because it's okay to feel tired if you can see light at the end of the tunnel. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:58 There's no light. where I pray are at our lowest ebb if it gets worse than this there's no way this is our lowest deb you don't think I say this with so much love and care but also a lot of confidence and for myself go on there's just not a planet in which we have not crossed the halfway point and we have hit our lowest point where do you think that's going to come watch number sort of 11 or something like that. This feels pretty bad to me, man. I don't like this.
Starting point is 00:35:35 You know what? I'm gaming it out in my head and I'm thinking maybe Tim's right. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this is as bad as it gets. Maybe this is the scariest. The whole thing will feel. I guess, to put it another way, are we ever going to be better than this?
Starting point is 00:35:53 there's a question I'm opposed to you there's another thing I wanted to talk about since the start and I talk about our traditional support structures being taken from us we're at Arkham Asylum and someone says Arthur you're on the news and we then watch with the inmates and guards Harvey Dent
Starting point is 00:36:21 piece to camera on the court steps this is another this is the public this is the level what do they call them a DA this is the level of me's on scene
Starting point is 00:36:31 which creates this despondence is in the background of the frame of Harvey Dent giving his sort of address to the media on the courthouse steps in the background there is a tree and it is the depths of winter
Starting point is 00:36:42 there's not a single leaf on the tree right there's not an orange leaf to fall off there's not a green leaf in bloom it is a totally barren tree yeah and that to me is like that's part of what is painting this unbelievably bleak picture that we are currently existing inside of so harvey den
Starting point is 00:36:58 is talking to camera and inside of this you've got to remember i'm telling you about a life raft for us so i noticed early that we have discussed got it harvey den is giving his piece to camera he says uh you know it's all horse shit the joker's horse shit turns out to be right by the way if you're curious uh we're going to be pursuing the death penalty because this fucking remorseless maniac killed five people in cold blood one on TV we're going to take steps to discourage people from thinking this in any way is okay whatever you think of capital punishment it's a pretty strong argument he's putting forward well especially in 1950s 75 the inmates are watching this the guards are watching this and they sort of you know turn to arthur and say arthur what do you think
Starting point is 00:37:42 they're going to give you the death penalty they're going to try fry you've talked about this in this very episode he does a song and dance that's still to me whatever at the end of the song and dance which is a fantasy so it doesn't take place so in the reality in the real time of the movie yep that like one minute is passed got it and we go from a news broadcast with harvey dent on the on the court steps saying we're going to pursue the death penalty yes on the same terrestrial television channel that is broadcasting the news without anyone changing the dial
Starting point is 00:38:22 in less than one minute we are now in the middle of a Pepe Lepepeu Looney Tunes cartoon where a skunk is trying to fuck a cat and it is whatever message you're trying to send me Todd it is so incongruent with
Starting point is 00:38:37 any terrestrial television's broadcast schedule in the history of TV that we would not have an anchor signing off the broadcast. that we would like and even if we did have an anchor signing off the broadcast there is no world in which any TV channel in the history of TV has gone from the news to Pepe Lepeu
Starting point is 00:39:00 it also seems like we're coming into the Pepe Lepeu cartoon midway through so they've interrupted mid-episode of Pepe Lepeu to tell you about how the public DA is treating the serial killer and then back to the cartoon. What I will say to you is this. In the background of this movie,
Starting point is 00:39:24 there is a station controller having a very bad day at work and they are going to get in trouble. And that is something I will hold on to as we move forward. That is something I will hold on to. That is solid to me. How many thumbs are you giving this watch?
Starting point is 00:39:45 This is absolutely. two thumbs down. There's not enough thumbs on hands in the world to communicate what this movie is currently doing to me. All thumbs down. Every thumb I have access to, every thumb I have seen, on camera, off camera in my life, the thumbs of everyone
Starting point is 00:40:05 I went to preschool with. Montessori, primary, intermediate, high school, university has been in a comedy club in which I've performed watched a show. All of the thumbs are down today. all of the thumbs are pointing towards the ground also two thumbs down from me this was no good
Starting point is 00:40:24 I'm talking for your thumbs bro and they're facing the fucking floor well we'll see you in the next one the worst idea of all time waste idea of all time afresh you air and lose your mind your boys are bad with what you need is that worst things then life are free
Starting point is 00:40:43 first idea of will die that was idea of Time A brand-you-and-rich-your-mind What's the worst idea of all time?

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