The Worst Idea Of All Time - 08 The Straight Mans Mushroom Lady

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

The Male Gayz’ Eli Matthewson and Chris Parker join Guy and Tim in the rats nest they have created in The Classic comedy club in central Auckland to enjoy Joker 2 again, having been incredibly disappointed by Folie à Deux when they saw it at the NZ premiere upon its initial release. The quad discuss how the film should be compared to Mama Mia, how Joaquin dreamed the concept into being and dig into the truly grim reality of this season for the boiz. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

idea of all time welcome to the worst idea of all time Joker 2 method review season episode number 7 8 8 do not take any don't take any points off the scoreboard you're quite right to point that out

we are thrilled delighted and honored to have comedians Eli Matthewson and Chris Parker joining us who have just sat through the film again with us today here at the classic can I say your body language on arrival, fresh-faced, bright-eyed, bushy-tailed.

I'm looking at you boys now and I'm thinking, by Joe, it looks like you've seen this movie seven or eight times recently. The energy in the room when we walked in, in terms of your guy's mental state, like you both seemed insane. Tim, first thing Tim said to me, five and a half hours, sleep,

I reckon that's what I've had last two days. Can I, that sort of sent in structure as well. You both felt like rats that had like sort of been nesting in this building. You know, when I saw you, Chris, I made a concerted effort to appear normal. And so, and you did a very good job of acting like we were just meeting each other under normal circumstances. So to hear you sort of dismissed that.

You looked at me and said, boy, it's good to see you. And then you went for a really long hug. That sounds friendly to me. I can say I'd be like that on any other day. Chris has known you for a long time. I think when he says it's a long hug, it's a long hug for Monty as well. I could feel where you were.

I was saying before, it's like it reminds me of when you'd tap into a team who are doing a 48-hour film. It's like you're doing that, but you're not making any... There's no result. Yeah, no one's making you do this. Do you think you can write this film down? If you had to, like, write the script down,

do you think you'd be able to... No. Not after 50. watches. I don't think, I don't think Todd Phillips could write this

out again. Not the same. Not a thousand, a thousand Tom Phillips running a 10,000 type writers for a thousand years. Imagine his friends

and they're like, how's the script going, man? And he's like, I'm getting there with it. We've taken some, I'm going to make it a musical and they're all going,

cool. He's cool. He had literally no excuse. He has so much money. They probably would have all the time he wanted to the world.

He made the exact the exact movie that he wanted to make. I have a weird feeling I read somewhere online that the studio like forced them to take more money Really? Like there was sort of an initial budget Which could have been 60 mill or something

And they were like, this has to go well for us Wow And you were saying because you're saying WB is kind of on the ropes financially Wow Warner Brothers they've had bomb after bomb And this was one of the biggest bombs And so a lot's riding on Superman coming out two days after this podcast Is it recorded Yes yes

It'll go on fingers crossed for our friends at Warner Brothers Yeah we will already As you listen to this you'll now know the results of that film release. And potentially now the fate of Warner Brothers rests on the Harry Potter series which I think is the other big thing.

Very sound terrain to build your financial future. We could be propping them up. We could be helping. Yeah, true. I wouldn't be surprised if we see this film trending on Letterbox once this is released.

Well, from our screenings alone, I think we'll be able to generate a little bit of organic word of mouth. Todd Phillips says at home. Do you think he watches the stats and goes, I think Todd Phillips has sort of disavowed this experience

why I say like no one could write this down like this is a singular moment in time this is a like a oneer this is a guy who is still writing high on the experience of making the first one and interpreting the response as permission to go harder and then

I guess sort of semi running out of ideas and so taking some big swings while also trading on the plot points of the first one and like every single decision aside from who he crewed the film with was a miss. But no, Lady Gaga could have been in great Harley Quinn. Do you not think there is another world where and I am a Batman Stan in the Batman animated series, which is the origin of the Harley Quinn character.

She's a psychologist. She comes in to meet him. She slowly falls in love with the Joker until she puts the costume on and helps break him out. And it's a good plot and they should have just done that plot with Lady Gaga's Joker. Yeah. But the Joker is bit like, you know, the Joker that Harley Quinn matches Witsworth is hardly featured in this movie. That's true.

It's just Joaquin. It's just a guy. It's just a guy. Pathetic man could ask. It's a court case of a fake, like a fake crime with these sort of ridiculous, like, but you're made to believe that this takes are real, like it's this kind of important reenact. or like a telling of a piece of our history, but then you realize it's all just like garbage comic book shit that you don't give a fuck about.

But it's not only that. It is a foregone conclusion what's going to happen. Like at the start of the movie, the stakes are set up to be, how's this court case going to be? There is one crossroads that could change the outcome for Arthur, and that is, does he get to be judged to be unfit to stand trial for reasons of insanity?

And that happens in the first time. 10 minutes of the film that's determined that he's going to trial. So cool, he did the murders, he's not denying that, they're going to fry his ass, it's all like, now we're just watching a man we know he's going to die pretty soon, for two hours, sing some songs bad. But he does break free for a pretty exciting three minutes. Yeah. Can I ask you a question, how did this movie play when it got released with the queer community?

I imagine you lads would have been all over it. We were so excited because Gaga had, the last film Gaga had done was, House of Gucci right? Yeah. Which was not great. But fun, fun, interesting. She was not great in it. She wasn't great in it.

And she's so good in a Star is born. She is an actor. What was the sequence of releases? Star is Born first and then Gucci. Star is born acting debut. Well, no, no, no. American Horror Story acting debut. Golden Globe Award.

Star is born Oscar nomination. House of Gucci. House of Gucci. A Razzie nomination. Interesting misstep. Interesting misstep. However, has become a bit of like gay canon in terms of like a fun thing to laugh about.

And she wears a lot of fun outfits and that. And she's a couple of fun lines. Yeah. Then this came out and we thought, oh, like, if the gay side of the internet was having fun because they were like, oh, like, all these Joker fans are going to be in the cinema with all these sort of like Gaga fans.

Yeah. And what's crazy about this? And then like, oh, Joker fans don't know what's like coming for them because this film's going to be so gay. It's going to get them. And then John Phillips was like, what if I give you a movie that no one was? And I'm going to leave the comic book nerds and the gays disappointed. You know, so in a way brought people together. Because everyone came out of that film being like hating it.

The United Enemy was the film itself. I mean, you both had seen it. I think you both went to like the. premiere. I didn't realize how recent this film was when we started

and I about, I can't remember at what point after what's screening, but I went on letterbox to just

get a picture of what people were saying. Largiesty of anyone I knew enjoyed this movie and that's ancillary to what

I wound up doing which was Eli saw you had given it one start knowing you were going to come on and I opened

your review just to get a flavour for and I only read the first sentence which was no offense to anyone involved but

I think this might actually be the worst movie I've ever seen I was so mad. I was so bad. pissed and then I went on Instagram so hot and I did a couple stories just to be like guys

Jogatoo sucks so bad I was so angry bear in mind I was invited to this movie for free by the people with the movie company and I tell you what then everyone got invites to Wicked and I didn't get an invite and I was like fuck not only did I have a bad time at Jogatoo but it was so bad that

has now cost me wicked absolutely and you had to hit you where I know you don't like Jogatatoo well I guess you won't like this He's a queer canon. If you don't like me at my Joker 2, you don't deserve me at my Wicked. The good news is I was on the second or third round of emails for Wicked. So I did get to go.

See it. Don't worry, guys. Can I ask you a quick question? What is it? If you buy a ticket to watch a movie, the cinema. Like I was fucking fled. If you knew. If you knew.

Don't act like you buy tickets. I saw the file. Oh, that way. I'm watching Jada 2 on. Blue Ray Ripped. I still think there's a lot. movie's getting better value out of me than I am. I fucking paid money

to watch Wicked. You fuck. I pay money after I went for free. You know what? Because I fucking loved it. So when you went to twice. I went, I paid to go because the sound was too quiet in the session that we went to. So. I remember. Once the movie had finished

feeling a great wave of relief that I was out of this universe. How's about the energy in the because it's a pegged audience probably, right? Where are we? It was pretty big in the VMAX at Newmarket. And I will say, every successive musical number, people stood up, left and did not return.

Holy shit. Yeah. I reckon I've got the text. I reckon if I fly back, because I think I... We messaged each other or something. Texted you join the film. Yeah. I think we were texting while it was on.

It was so bad. And I do think Gaga is good. Like, I think I'll be thinking, like, she's a star. But so frustrated with... what she has to work with. Yes. And that seems to be the frustrating thing about the film is that everyone is so talented in it,

but ultimately it's like, it's so dry. It's so dry and so boring. It's like a recap. It's like a recap of the first movie for so much. What about, can you, can you visualize for me the table read for this? Oh my God,

I think about it all the time. How did it play in the room? I think when you sort of, watching a film that is bad. You know, you just think about them all coming and, you know, with their scripts around the table and having that first read. And he's, you know, he's sitting there sort of eager but nervous. Todd.

Todd. Yeah. Joaquins, he's got questions. They've had many meetings. He's still kind of working it out, you know, and Gaga is like, this is amazing. I think she's just like. It's like, here comes my Oscar. I think that's what going on for.

And then by the end of the table read, this is the reaction. Wow. Lots to mull over. Lots to mull over. So, who's joker? But do you know more than that? Everyone's gut can be telling them that this doesn't work. Exactly.

But there's also enough. space for doubt that you would second guess yourself and you'd be like, well, maybe we just didn't read it right. No one else is spoken up. Yeah. So maybe you need to see it. You know, you can talk yourself into it

to the point where it's not to be fixed, it's just to be realized. And then they're in it, they're filming it, you know, and I think they're doing the right thing where they're kind of immersing themselves in it, but there's many days on seat where they're going, you know, Waki Knox on Gaga's trailer and he's like, I don't know.

like what this bit is in the thing but we'll film it you know like they're confused in the web of the story more than that I genuinely think that Joaquin believes in this project well he dreamed it what I read on the IMDB trivia oh wow

he apparently on the INDV trivia which is there were a couple moments where I went to my phone and this was one of them and he apparently on the set of Joker one he dreamed the idea of a sequel fucking new like a musical sequel and we're walking I don't know, he just said he had dreamed the idea

of the sequel. I knew that Joaquin was like a vehicle for this. This isn't just Todd Phillips deciding this all on as lonesome and dragging everyone with it. That's impossible. I think Gaga would have been so behind this idea like an adaptation of this material into a musical she would have been like, yes, I must be

involved. Probably help like select some of the songs, I imagine. Well, she loves the Great American songbook. To Chris's idea of on the set, I do think like I think Wakeen is believing in it. and then is leaving Gaga, like, who's probably losing confidence in real time. Yeah.

And probably also... I think she's fucking... I think... I think she's so confident about 100%. Because you can tell because the press tour, the release of this film... Were you following the press tour before you went to the screening? Or did afterwards be like, I have to know more about what's happening here? It all happened quickly.

It all happened quickly. Because the Joker 1 went to Venice and won the Golden Lion. like that got a long run up but they just got a short run up but there was this there's this footage of like wakene whispering to gaga and then she's going like no no like she's saying like no and like I forgot at the premiere and he's going it's I feel like he's going this is dog shit and she's going just smile we just got to keep smiling everyone's got their phones out and I've watched it so many times because it's like he's kind of clocking what's been made and I think he's like, this sucks.

You know what we need? Another hack. Do you remember all those Sony emails came out? Yeah. I would love to hear. Read all the network emails that were going on at the time of the release of this film. Because there was zero test screenings of this film. None.

They did not test this with an audience before putting it out. Yeah. $200 million budget. Damn. Fucking hell. And their decision was a musical based on a DC villain. And we're not going to test it with audiences. And it's a sequel.

to a film with a core audience was in sales. Exactly. Who I would say probably the least likely to enjoy a musical. Tread carefully, this is Tim's community. Yeah, sorry, sorry. Is that the insalibates? Well, we... Involuntary celibates.

You know, we prefer sort of men's rights activists now. In celibate. Yeah. Salabat. It's not paid my name. It's too heavily in-so. Comedy festival title. Cellar is celibat.

And it's you holding... finish your thought how do you're kids it was too real it was your kids yeah yeah who do you think

like okay do you think there was those amazing posters of all the jokers in time like you've like you've seen

at the CD and DVD store yeah or on my wall or on your did you have one no no no no but I thought

about who would be your next joker in that lineup who's coming up yeah who's after this Yeah.

So help me, God. We don't need any more. Like, no, there will forever be more dopers. Honestly, I know we were just talking about him, but Jonathan Groff would fucking crush it. Oh, gay one. Gay. He'd be awesome. I don't think gay men want to play the Joker.

It's not for, no gay men wants to be the Joker. It is a role reserved for. For straight men. What about this? Bill Nye. I don't hate her. It's like the best exotic Joker Merigold hotel. He's in. It's a Joker in retirement just doing pranks around, like, people in palliative care.

Considering his recently sort of slightly blemished public persona, it is Bill Murray's swan song. Like an old Bill Murray. Old Joker is his last hurrah. I was going to say you and McGregor would be a good Joker. Oh, I could see that. Do you know who's going to take it? Shellamay will take it. Oh, you're fucking right.

She'll make it. Barry Keoggan is the Joker and the Robert Patterson one, I think. Who is, sorry? Barry Keogan. Sorry to bring him up. And I know that we are a group of men discussing who should play the Joker. And as much as you kind of have a sort of birds, I look on that, you know, like to be in the experience, it is fun. It is fun.

I disagree. It's actually not fun. It's actually not fun. And it needs to stop. And I'm not just talking about our experience of watching it right now. talking about as a culture, as a society. Yeah. We need to expel this part.

What about Crispin Glover? Yeah, fine. Fine, yes. I think because... I still think of him as creepy hair guy from Charlie's Angels. Quite jokery. I think what you're saying, though, like, we insist on resurrecting Batman so frequently.

Yeah. There's so many Batman. So many times. Why don't we redo Spider-Man or something different instead? But Joker has... There are so many superheroes we could be making movies about guys. And what? We just keep making the same ones about Batman.

It's like, has anyone read the Fantastic Four? Has anyone read The Avengers? He's going to make great movies. It's also not just like dudes loving the Joker. That's not the only thing that's fueling this. Two people have won the Oscar for playing the Joker. Like it's also like Heath and Joaquin.

Oh, and the first one. Best actor. It's a Gordon. Oscar. Heath one best supporting Walking one best It's become a gornlet for actors Like it's become

In Broadway terms Playing Mama Rose and Gypsy It's these sort of roles that are reserved For actors The man Mama Rose So there's a certain time in your career That screams Timothy Shamill That's what I'm thinking

You know it's like Are you ready to tackle The role that broke so many men Because it's the demands Of it You know like that's It only broke Jared Alito And I think he was broken

Well, I broke Leisure. Sorry, yes, you're right. He was 26 when he filmed it. It broke. What the fuck, really? Yeah. Yes. Do you know what, though?

That's the next film. It's Todd, it's, it's, like, it's Todd Phillips making Joker. And becoming Joker. Oh, God. Played by Timothy Shelmane. Come out. Is this going to get the disaster artist treatment? Yeah.

Exactly. Can I tell you about a cool memory that I have? I'm auditioning for Unitech the drama school I went to an Auckland We got divided into small groups Like you do you rotate around the different things And in one of them you had to do your screen audition We all got up to do it one at a time

Me laura Daniel in the same group In the same group Guy did do the why so serious monologue Sitting a bit of the corner of it Yeah I have the strongest idea in my head Of who that might be Say the name

No I don't think I need to say it To get confirmation on my whether or not it was that person. Could you give me a cli-h-h-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha? Did you go to NASDA as well? No. Oh, I thought you said that in a recent episode for The Mail Guys, shout-out.

But on the subject of musical theatre, almost every audition song I've ever done, features in the soundtrack for Joker 2. Every song that would start the first few bars, it was Eli saying, auditioned with that one? Yep, yeah. Did that one on the stage?

But which one in the world? The song is the same, Paul, isn't it? It's just the slowest... Can I ask, okay, so take back to the first screen, first watching of this film. What did you think? I wanted to, I really want to hear from you, please don't throw questions at us. I just want to know. I was so fragile at this point.

I'll tell you, the first time I saw it, I had no sense of time. Yes. I didn't know how long. Yes. Like it was, I think I described it as the most elastic experience of time I've ever had. Yes. Because there are no obvious acts of. or structures or moments to latch on to,

there's no obvious destination for this movie to go. And so you just feel like you're spending forever and beautiful grayscale. And it's like, it is a, it does trap you. It is imprisoning because it is so dreary and serious. He's bringing you into the mind of the Joker. Yes. Yeah, and look, the mind of the Joker is like,

it's just an empty place, you know? I just thought it was so boring. And it sort of filled me with fear, I think, for what we're doing and what we're halfway through now. Yeah. Like honestly, having you guys here is, it's, I feel like you've punctured

like what was becoming a pretty oppressive and scary world that we were living in. And like, you know, you're gonna go home. What are you guys doing at 8 o'clock tomorrow morning? Can I ask you that? Yeah, not watching this. You busy?

Not watching Joe. Not yet. I couldn't believe. Why have you guys came back? No, honestly. Wait a second. What is you guys? What if you came back?

That's a jogger idea. I moved to London in nine days and I thought, yeah, I'll give up four hours. Go with that joker too? The first. When you message us. And I'm asking you to do it again. When you messaged us, I think the first thing I said was, I can't believe I'm going to have to watch this movie again.

I think because my first experience watching it in the cinema was that of being like, where are we in time? What is going on? How much longer? Do we have to hear these slow husky songs for, he's making about himself when it's meant to be all about me! Really good. We've got a new candidate for the Joker roll.

How close did you guys get to walking out? Like, if you were texting each other while the movie was on, it feels like you're getting pretty close to walk out territory. I'm sticking, I'm committed to something. I don't think I'm committed to watching into the movie. I've only walked out of once, and it was, save the last dance. I've had many great. cinema-going experiences with Eli.

He has a really good one. He said, do you want to go watch? You were dating Brinley. And then you said, do you want to go watch this movie? And it was like, it was called Across the Universe. And we didn't like know what it was. And then we sat down and it was that like Beatles musical. Julie Tamas Beatles musical.

And that was a film that really time stretched. And like I didn't realize what I was watching. until like it happened. The singing in that is at least better than the singing in this. Have you seen that film? No. That's coo- that's good approach for you guys.

How old were you guys when that came out? About 19, 18 maybe, yeah. Did either of you question your sexuality while you were watching that movie? Well, yeah, yes, it was gay, but it was also Beatles. Well, I know, but I'm just thinking about how long and boring a movie can be and how much, like, rumor can give you to let your brain...

Hey, can I rather be sucking a dick right now and watching this fucking movie? Push it down, push it down. Have you during any of our screenings of Dracatu question, your sexuality? I've thought that if I was gay, I wouldn't be doing this. It's so true. We've never had this idea. I know, but we would never watch this.

No, here. We are making a guest appearance for our friends. Where are they going after this? This is straight ally shit. We walk ourselves in the comedy club where we work and sleep on the floor of the stage. It's the saddest shit I've been. It's bleak as fuck, man. It's not a good vibe.

Because last night, last night we got to such a low ebb. It was crazy. We watched the film and recorded in between the two bars in a storage closet. And then we left the movie, went to get some cap. And in my brain, I was like, cool, some sleep all fit. Like, everything's better on a sleep. Like, you know, you catastrophize when you're tired. Everything seems so much worse when you're tired.

Get some sleep. and then I'll wake up and everything will feel better and woke up and just the pit in my stomach that we had to watch it, got through it, awful experience and then went straight from the review of that just turned it on again. And seconds after we were finished. Can I tear apart the concept of your endeavour for a second?

Yeah, please. Method filmmaking. And so you're method film reviewing. Your method film reviewing, yeah. So you're reviewing the Joker to at the classic the comedy club in this movie is there a single reference to the fact that he was ever trying to be a stand-up comedian? Is it? Is it?

Steve Cugan, Steve Cugan says, Part-time Party Clown and struggling stand-up comedians. Five years ago, after Flake hit the town of God, like a hurricane. Steve Coogan doing an impression of an American broadcaster. Surely you should be recording at a prison, is what I'm saying, or in a court. Undoubtedly. We know that now. I don't think you should be doing this in a prison.

It was about, it's about, I mean, yeah. They called it a Joker 2. We didn't know what it was about. We thought it would be a pretty safe assumption to go to the comedy club for Joker 2 where all the iconography is about a fucking clown face. But now you're sleeping on the stage of the classic. For no reason.

For a courtroom drama parading around as a jukebox musical. It's the only thing I could come here and say what you're saying and I don't think you could sit here and say what I'm saying. So to call it for no reason is incredibly disparaging. And it's appropriate though Because Gaga and Phoenix Did go method for the roles And what do you know about that?

Garga was only referred to as Lee on set Wow Is that true? Yeah it's true I just read on the Wikipedia There's an amazing clip of Gaga Oh my God Oh my God

It's a Zoom actors on actors About She's on like a round table With like You know everyone who's done Actually good movies that year She talks about She was like

Do you ever feel like When you're acting You get too into the role and suddenly you can't get out and then all the other actors are like, no. There's lots of learning for her, I think, in this film

where she sort of realized it's not that serious. Why so serious? Don't be so serious. Pull back a little bit and I think it's helped return Gaga to the star we know and love. Like it's humbled her

in terms of her ambition or thoughts about her own abilities and acting? I think she just didn't quite know she was still trying to navigate like her craft of acting and what kind of actor she wanted to be

and worked in a couple of really different styles I think the Bradley Cooper thing was pretty intense yeah then working was like you know Joaquin would be

quite an experience and then she came out of that and was like okay wasn't Jared Letto in the middle a little less yeah yes

that's an intense guy that's some fucked up actors she's worked with actually oh Cooper's good what did she work on with letter Asaguchi.

He is in a fat suit, and I would watch that movie for him alone. It is one of the most deranged performances. Can we just take a quick departure? If there is like a human being on God's Green Earth in Hollywood, who is actually Joker, it's Jared Lido. And like, how long is he just going to be walking around among us? He did. He did.

He was in Suicide squad. He played the Joker. He's only got like seven minutes of screen time, and he went method. And then he sent the female actors. Dead rats. And used condoms. That's right. As like,

he has a gift from Mr. Day. He should be in jail for so many reasons. It seems allegedly. He should also drop that skincare routine, right? He's looking at. He's like Faustian bargain with the devil. I heard it's because he sleeps all the time.

I heard he sleeps like 18 hours a day. Really? Yeah. How does he get up and go to the gym? Because the body's tired too. Yeah. He's also running a cult. Like, how does he get it all?

He's actually awesome. Yeah. You know what I say. You've got the same number of hours in the day as Jared Lid. I don't have the same access to resources, though. So he was the Joker for the Suicide Squad. Yeah, and he's barely in there. I do think in terms of Lady Gaga,

maybe we wouldn't have got the Mayhem album, one of her best ever albums if she hadn't made this and made the accompanying album, Harlequin, which you guys have got to listen to as part of this process. So sorry, but what is Mayhem? I don't want to do it. What is Mayhem in relation to Hallequin? Well, I guess about six months after this, she released...

Harlequin. The album, The album, Mayhem, which is very good. But then when she released this movie, she did this hideous album called Harlequin, which is just her, singing a lot of the songs from this movie, but properly. Right, right, right, right. Studio recordings of the song.

I think she was really launching for a new era. Yeah. And it was going to sort of be in the style of this film. I've never followed her career. And so she is, I suppose. successfully maybe in terms of branding exercise has always been quite alien to me

like I can't get a read on what she's like when she's not Lady Gaga, you know, when she's not the stage persona of Lady Gaga. I can't get a read what she's like between performances or like on her days off. To me she's one of all the pop stars, one of the most human and I just, maybe it's from going to drama school. I'm like, oh, I know

this person, I know exactly what she's going through at all the times. She is the ultimate like drama school student and her sort of rise to fame with that of like, you know, performing and... Every drama geek has sort of pinned a lot of themselves onto her trajectory as she ascended through the pop charts. Yeah, and going through the phase of like,

I'm going to be a freak for a bit. Can I... Can I do? I've got respect... Freak flag fly. I've got respect for that. Like, her fashion seems to be... She did the meat dress, right?

Confidently freaks. She was the meat dress, right? She was probably like apex, you know, freaky. She did the meat dress, right? That's going to be... I'm only a straight man. We would say 10 minutes to talk a conversation about Lady Gaga.

She was that meat dress, right? Yeah. One of those iconic pop culture moments in history. The meat dress. The meat dress. Yeah. What was she saying?

Can't remember. She was winning a award. She felt like a piece of meat. Yeah. Pepperati era. Because it was it the same night that she had a paparazzi performance? And then she won

like the album of the year or something right. And then she released her new single which was going to be born this way and she sung it. It always sounds like someone's knocking on. on the door here, you just got to ignore it. It's a haunted space. We're living in a haunted space.

Does it sound all around me? Can I ask, again, I'm going to pay myself as, you know, an ignoramus. But what is... Who's the man? Who's the woman in the relationship? When you guys get married? Which one? I went to get my car fix the other day and the woman running at the front desk at the car shop

was like, I've got to ask. are you the husband or you the wife oh my god she asked so nice she's like husband as well like there's two husbands

she's like oh well you never know do you like you actually can find out the question I was going to ask once that's you satisfied my initial query is because the only other sort of public figure

I can think of has the similar sort of really aggressive drama school energy that has risen to the top in the same way but very differently as Anne Hathaway. And do their stories or do they cross over do they have any connection or relationship to each other? And was Catwoman? Yeah.

And took that very seriously. She went hard. She went really hard for the role. Oh, and the Nolan films. In The Dawn Art Rises. She never really puts a cat mask on but at one point she wears some goggles that kind of look caters.

Is that a cowl? Is that what they're called? Yeah. It's funny these women doing these roles and, like, I don't think they have any sort of genuine interest in the DC. In the material. Universe or anything, you know. It's a bit of a payday, isn't it?

I'm like, I don't know what, are they sitting down with the source material? Are you kidding me? You don't think Michelle Fyfer was reading Catwoman Law? She delivered, that Michelle Fyfer. I'm not talking about Gaga and. I thought you meant all women who play Supero. No, no. No, no, okay, okay.

Okay, what about Hallie Berry? Yeah, she didn't give a shirt. Do you think that's that? She didn't give a shit at all. Do you, I reckon Gaga read a lot of graphic novels, though, getting really because she likes to act. So she likes to do her research. Yeah.

Yeah, or she's done all the research in the wrong area. You know, she's been like, I spend hours studying, you know, the certain, like, psychotic state or whatever. and Toffillips being like, oh, we're not going to use you near that. Maybe my brain's all fucking just jumbled for reasons you may be able to imagine. No, dude. But I reckon Gaga might not be a million miles away from, like, obviously a more benevolent version of the woman we see in this movie. Like, very intense and sort of like talented and intense and able to sort of bend the universe to her well a bit.

And being a bit loopy for no-and-and-I-d-I-ricken. I reckon Gaga's lit a cigarette indoors once just for a bit of attention. all the time Yeah All the time Yeah I think One of the great things

About this movie is that it Because it did bomb Like no one is Building their personality Off the Scarga performance Because I think there was a danger If this was a successful film I think we would be seeing a lot of girls

Doing this Well I do want to Because I was quite proud of this In a fairly flummoxed moment I came up with a theory That Todd Phillips has engaged In something called Socially Responsible filmmaking

Where the first drake came out one of the awards then was so adopted by my friends in the men's rights activist community and he said i have to fucking tank this balloon so he made this that does that does check out to me destroy their hero that's right because there's all those threats of like guys like shooting up the cinemas and stuff right at the i was really nervous to watch the first joker film yes i think we went for my birthday or something and i was like i hope i don't die are you sure you're not straight what fuck you doing the first joke But I like...

But this is before we knew what it was going to be, right? And it had won the Golden Lion. I think we all knew what it was going to be. That's not true, man. I hate to be pedantic, but I think Joker came out and was just a great movie. And then there was sort of like a community sort of...

A great movie? Joker? Yeah. I remember seeing it twice at the movies. Of course you did. Yeah, I mean it's right. It's right. But I love, like, I actually...

actually do love Dark Night. Oh, fuck yeah. Like, it's sort of midnight, sumness, and I'm always in the mood to watch it. Eli, did you not like Joke it? First one? No, I didn't like it. That genuinely surprises me.

I don't remember much of it, but I just remember it being good. Did you like it? Did you see it? No, I don't, yeah. He went on his birthday. I went on my birthday. I was nervous that someone was going to shoot up the cinema.

It does put an interesting aura over a birthday screening. And I love Batman. I'm all in. You're a big, you're like a DC guy. As someone who's not seen the first movie and would like to because,

you know, this movie certainly talks about a lot. I suppose I'm curious about the source material. Why didn't you like it? I just never got anywhere like camp enough. Like it didn't,

he didn't joke her enough for me. Right. And just the messaging around it because it is, I think I was saying this while the film was on that it is like Luigi Mangione except he doesn't do anything that's good for society.

We should talk about this because you're so right. There is, we are led to believe... Please don't clip up that Louis G. Maybe you're going to clip up my because I'm traveling through the States and I want to make it. Are you any thoughts about J.D. Vance you want to share while you're on the pub,

man? There is, we lead to believe, a huge contingent of the public who are like so standing Arthur Fleck. For what cause? What possible, like, cause to celebrity could he be? What is he a totem for?

like why people rallying around this fucking a bad comedian who's on a show that shoots the host yeah is that it he kills five really hate the host he kills four other people and then his mom also secretly so six in total but we know about five but I'm a bit like that with that mushroom

lady though go on well I don't know it just I get excited about her like I would like to meet her that is what this movie that is exactly what this movie is going away for a long time that is she joker Well, you should start writing to her

I think What would you put in the litter Just like Recipes Why did you do it Give me that recipe So what is it What is it

What is the allure I think we just like Well we love You love a vigilante You know We love In someone who's Living life to its limits

Sure You think mushroom lady Was living life To its limits? Yeah. I think so. Is she just a bog standard suburban person who made a... Who had a grudge and was like...

She did one poisoning. I just keep thinking one, but she, with one fell swoop took out so many people. But I think about her at the table eating while they're all eating. And she's like, you're all going down, you know? And all the planning around it is well. That is amazing actually thinking about what she was like for the meal. And that is an act. How straight men feel about.

the Joker, I am now like, I would love to play the mushroom woman. And like, like, we're like, cast. And like, you know, but like, and that's all happening at that. You don't think about the dinner table where they're all, and they're going, and she's like, and she's like, putting it down, she goes, oh, I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm, like, sort of, I overcooked it slightly. Like, she's giving this performance of a bad cook, but she knows what she's done, which is like, there's so much poison mushrooms in this. You're all dying. And then she's eating hers, her separate one. Yeah.

That doesn't have it in it. While they're all going, it's gorgeous, Aaron. You know, it's like, like psycho and you know what's also joker about it is that she's a huge fan of true crime podcast and this whole and she must have been like I'm gonna be a I'm gonna be a star she's like Roxy she should be in Chicago we can't turn into Chicago on this one we keep watching it in the sort of yearning of like how good Chicago is and what this

film could have done because Chicago I would I would hold any musical up against Chicago because to me it is the one true good movie musical and it Lots of other ones are fine, but that one really makes... This is basically a prison musical as well. There's a lot of, like, you know, right comparison. I don't think we should... I don't think, even if they have tried to settle it this way, it is not a musical, is it?

This? By any means, yeah. It's a movie with you on that. With characters that's singing it. I'm, yeah, that is. It's not anything. It's actually a courtroom procedural in the DC universe loosely where people sing sometimes.

And the treatment of the singing is so inconsistent That I don't think you can put it in the genre of musical Because either people are allowed to notice the singing Or they're allowed to like not But you can't do switch scene to scene And he's going interior courtroom And is he going Do we shoot anywhere else?

Oh God, it's so impressive being inside of the film This movie is like Paragraph long synopsis on Wikipedia of the previous movie with some flourishes before the mods have edited it down to standard. Yeah, it is. You know what's so great?

I was just thinking it's not even, it's not just a musical. It's a jukebox musical. Yeah, it's a musical. And so what we need to be comparing it to is Mamma Mia. Yeah. That is the standard for a Drew box musical.

Oh my gosh. These, I can't think of like, you know, there's a game where you have to find opposites. Like, those are. This is called names. Momia represents just oh,

such freedom and joy. It's so blue. It's just the outside. Amanda said free. All I can think of is it's either the sky or the ocean

but it's blue. Okay, hold on, are there any overlaps between Mamma Mia and Joker Follow O'Dar.

I can't think of anything. Who are the three lads? It's Colin, Perth, Pierce Brosnan, and Scars Guard.

Scars guard. And then it's Meryl Streep. It's Amanda Scribes. Christina Borenzke. Dominic Cooper. Who's it? Bewitched. Barthed and Bewilder.

He sings that in History Boys. And that's some features in the film. It's probably the only overlap there. Wow. There's the bridge. And also I reckon he probably put down an audition tape for Joker at some point in this. Who's the actor that did the audition tape for Mamma Mia? Was he from American Pine?

Who is it? Yeah, yeah. Stifler? William Scott? Jason Biggs? No, no. Oh, the guy who plays... Oh, I've seen it. Chris Klein, Chris Klein.

Yeah, yeah. You must like, shooting star. You guys have many more in here before. She's lovely. I just fucked there. God, and actually, if I, I have this dream of, like,

setting up a museum with my favorite videos. Oh, my God. That would be in there, as well as Kim Ketrell's Skatting would also be in there. We used their We used their

Cam Catrille Scatting is a whole season theme of the podcast I just love it It's so good When I hear you guys Seeing you laugh It like

Because we're watching this on a big TV But it's just off an age to my laptop Sometimes we're watching the movie My eyes will pan down to the computer And I'll think about all the good times I've had with it And I think about like How many different videos there are to watch

A lot of stuff out of there And I'll be like This is crazy so many great videos to watch so many great videos this is really good stuff on there let me ask you both this do you think there's any merit into the idea

that we have here of method film reviewing that to properly and sort of with some integrity a cease of film on its own terms you need to come to it a bit with some films you should do speed on a bus we did talk about it

thank you thank you I don't disagree and you should do a kindergarten cop in a kindergarten with a gun so with some films so with some films

well no the films you pick I think you're like you initially come at them because you're like they have a sort of talkability about them they're sort of somewhat

problem films but but we don't know why like they're not just like bad they can't just be bad films. God, it's the noisiest place to film a podcast. Film a podcast anyway. But then the ones you actually land on, it's like they do require work some time to think

about what went wrong here. Yes. And this one is a great example. I think it does need great minds to sit down and watch it 14 times. And what about us doing it? Are you the other, maybe? I think, guys have good minds. Actually, I think you might try and figure out what went wrong here.

That would be so good. I think it's quite apparent. I think you guys have already articulated what goes wrong. It didn't need to happen. You even said, I think, Eli, you know, at a time that we have previously identified in the film, which is like five minutes before the bomb goes off in the court, which is like the end of the movie. Which also, real highlight watching that with a countdown. That would be started a live countdown.

Yeah, that was really fun. I like the games you guys play. Absolutely nailed the time. timing on the count. I got to say, it was the third countdown, and this was the first time that the blast off timed out perfectly with the explosion. And I'm pretty proud of myself because I did figure out it's from the second wave of the gavel being banged. And by the way, can I say, this is something I've been thinking the whole time. This judge needs to get himself a gavel that works because this guy's not controlling the core room at all. Okay. The second time he's banging the gavel. That's when you count. It's after the guys. lunged at Joker. There's a gable. There's a gable.

There's a gable. If anyone wants to play a line. You're telling this to us as if we want to play the game. Where I went there as well as thinking is, oh my gosh. So everyone who listens to this, if they want context for the film that you're talking about, they also have to go watch this film. No, they don't. They don't have to.

I think we've, honestly, you could get everything from this season of the podcast, I think. You don't need to see Joker. too once you're done with this. It's actually amazing that do you feel like a dopamine hit of when the explosion hit? So many movies that we watch now are like action from start to finish and it's so much that you're kind of numb to it and this is so nothing. Then when that bomb goes off. I tell you what, the first time, the first watch when that bomb went off, I think I said

out loud as like, thank fuck something happens. Nothing happens until that point and it's at the like two hour mark of the movie. Yeah. The pacing is so nice. He meets up with Harley Quinn outside the jail and you think, yeah, they're going to go do some crimes. Exactly. There would actually be, they would actually be kind of a pretty sick ending for this. Why could it be a happy ending for them?

I guess this is the thing that is like so difficult about this movie is it's like, what is Todd Phillips trying to fucking tell us? Tim, I think you put the theory in just to what happens next is that what if, it's not just not the real joker but it's not the real Harley Quinn yeah because she is always called Lee and the baby that she has that is purportedly carrying

is the actual Harley Queen is not she's not actually pregnant I think so too she's a big liar I think so too yeah yeah also they didn't have sex I'll stand by that

did have sex I don't think so it's the yuckiest sex in what world did the prison guard let her into his cell don't talk about sorry so you were saying like the sex sort of occurred

but it's whether it was He had a wet dream. He had a imagination. Yeah, I think he had a jack off. To try and apply the rules of like logic and what makes sense in this is impossible.

Like you know, none of the rules by which we live our life, you know, apply. No. So if when you get bogged down in the details of what is this possible or not.

She is an imprisoned arson who has a box of matches on her. But she's not, That's a lie. She's not imprisoned. But you're right. We see her light the fire at the thing, but she lied about lying the fire at her apartment complex. Why is she in the choir? Has she turned up as part of some program where she's helping out?

No, no. She checked herself in to get close to Arthur Fleck. This is why I think she actually is in the solitary confinement with Arthur. Because what do we know about it? Her dad's a doctor. She's from the Upper West Side. So she's from money. And also she's done post-grad psychology.

So I think she has gone as part of my study, I integrate into the psych ward and they let me have run away. And I'm going to dress this loopy and look and I'm not going to pluck my eyebrows for three months before I do it. So I look like I'm one of them. She's in love with Joker. So she's only tricking the administrators and I think they're easy to trick. Why am I thinking about the fucking plot in this depth and level to justify these thoughts? It is infuriating how it has this gravitational pull on us, which is like of course.

What else are we going to do with our time while we're spending it with this film? How good is Batman Returns though? They're rocked. Of course it does. While we're talking about things we liked, why don't we cycle through each, perhaps, a shining light, a moment from this screening of Joker 2 that resonated with us for whatever reason it might be.

Can I please go first? Because I'm going to forget it. I'm so sorry. Sure thing. Oh God, when is it in the movie? Seems like he's already forgotten it. I have. It's Lady Gaga doing.

I know what it is. In your own time. While you were trying to remember that, we'll let Chris go first. Oh, boy. No, this is just the kind of punishment I deserve right now. Go. And I'm going to listen to you and give you my full attention.

No, Tim, please go. I'm worried about you. I want the challenge. Please go, Tim. When Lady Gaga, sorry, when Harley, when Lee and everyone else is going to go. And Arthur are doing one of the Sunny and Shear Bee Ge's sequences. And she pulls out the gun. I think it's the bit where she says, you know, we'll give them.

Yeah, yeah. What they want. He really took me there and he pulls out the gun. Oh, very good performance. She pulls out the gun and he's like, ooh. It's sort of like clowny like, oh, my woo. And then she hands the gun to him and has this kind of like a certain kind of smile, which is very melodramatic.

It's very kind of like carnival arts. I think it's good. That's my shining light. That's beautiful. I'm going to say, having come out of watching it the first time, and thinking that's just a terrible film and I never wanted to do it ever again and coming into a second time I think is shot beautifully oh I think the specifically the lighting and like the the art direction of it they really understood what they should be making and there's a lot of story in the kind of filming of it despite the script being to Totally MD. Yes.

And so I think that is why you sort of are like, and that's kind of what's frustrating about this film. It's like you're constantly being edged where there's so much promise everywhere. Like I remember seeing like the internet had like leaks of Gaga walking up the steps. And there's a whole bunch of scenes in the trailer that weren't in the movie.

Exactly. Uh-huh. And we were all so excited because it's like, oh, it's all beginning to like, no one was like, this looks bad. But from that point. And then they watched it and they were like, oh my God.

I mean, I totally agree and have every time I've watched it, it does look beautiful. It looks great. There's a lot of cut scenes that were featured in the trailer that aren't in the movie because there's so much in the...

Like, I know, like, yes, of course, I'm spending too much time with that, but there's so much to cut in this. There's so much to get rid of and it wouldn't cause any issues. There's a scene from the trailer where it's like the two of them are out the front of the court,

both in full Harley Joker get up and surrounded by the fans. Something's going on there. Like, they leave the court in costume. Because this is the thing. right the first movie really is about social contagion right that's like the whole idea of Joker is about that

and you get to see almost none of that none of that you see one little car ride of that exactly exactly they like wall all of that off from you and instead you just spend all of your time in a courtroom and a jail effectively God that's

the choices they made is crazy so cheeky to have that in the trailer because if you watch the movie it then promises the idea that he will walk free in some capacity and you'll get to experience these characters out in the world and you'd watch it and the whole time you'd be like when are they going to get on the steps? When are they going to get on the steps?

Two hours 15 of us. What are they going to get on the steps? It is amazing that not only do you not get that then for Todd Phillips to end the film and go oh and by the way, not even Joker. Crazy! Not once are they ever are they ever Joker and Harley

truly side by side? No. She's only really Harley when she comes into the court proper. Correct. Right. I mean The Sunni and Cher sequences is the closest we get, but she's not in the proper outfit. You're right. But what do you enjoy, Elo? But what about something you liked?

I really like the one shot that travels into the car and the audio's not working. Then you hear a little bit of not working because ears are blown out. And then they're having a technical onset. And then they figure it out. We've lost audio. And I think the actor who's in the Joker makeup

and taking you through that. He's good. He doesn't. It's a very powerful moment. And I cut... He had a great down set, you can imagine. He's like, I could you do what? Do you know how many selfies is looking at that?

Oh my God. My office for the day for... For Joker. And his Joker makeup is better than... We should be doing Office of the Day posts. Oh God. Yeah. I don't think you should.

How do you think she knew to go to the steps just as a side note to that scene? Because I'm like... She moved it... She moved into his apartment to get ready to set up. their life. They have a bit of candor about it. She, how does she know about this? Because she says when they talk earlier, me and my friends would walk up that staircase every day to go to school when she's lying

about having grown up there. That's a real staircase. But then again, in the first movie, isn't it just on the poster? Like, he dances there, but it's not like publicised. So it's, presumably she saw the movie. It was like, those steps you're on in the movie. Okay, so here's an additional detail. In Joker 2, there is both a television movie made about Joker, but also the movie Joker exists. Yeah, because it's just, the stairs aren't important to him. He doesn't kill anyone there.

He just doesn't. I don't know why the public, like, anyone but him would know about it. There should be a scene of someone walking past Joaquin Phoenix in the suit with the makeup woman being like, you look like Joaquin Phoenix in that movie The Joker. I want to see that, I mean, I think if I was in New York, is it, those stairs in New York? Presumably. But like the real stairs. Yeah.

I think I'm going to them, sadly. I'd go as well. I'd go see. I would go see that Carrie's apartment. If you go to that stairwell, you will run into every and south. Do you know what? In the state. We've done the Seigs in the city bus tour.

We've seen Carrie's Brownstone. And do you know, I learned recently from an interview she did on the Edm Friedland show, she lives quite close to it. Yeah. Her and Matthew Broderick lives away, yeah. Are these guys living your dream when they do? And I think the value of the apartment is low because of how many people hound it. guys are infuriated by it.

But Sarah has talked about how she believes the stoops are owned by, like, all of New York. So if people sit on her stoops, she doesn't care. Easy to say when no one knows what fucking stoops. I know, it's yours. My shining light.

Thank you so much, everyone. It's the way that when after, I remember what particular meltdown he's experienced, but they throw Arthur Fleck into the solitary cell Oh yes It's after Harley's lit fire And they do a song and dance number

Which actually that's one of my preferred numbers The first half of it When they're singing outside And there's joy between them And there's sort of these big orange flames In the background Quite like the way that they're moving there But it's after that

He gets in trouble They throw him into solitary confinement And the way that the blocking worked out I don't know how they got it But the way his body crumples Against the wall And into the mattress I find like really

A satisfying piece of performance and I suppose like you know filmmaking every time I think I really believe he's and then they slam that door and that light's a light across his face that's cool shot where he's behind the glass and they they um she does the lipstick yeah don't you think about all the shots

they had to do where it's like I'm convinced it was CG where it's off you don't want to believe that's real you don't even want to give yourself that yeah you're right the magic of cinema like a little bit to the fucking a little bit of down a little bit. A little bit to the world. That's one of my favorite things you ever have to do

when you're doing film acting. It's like kind of lifting up a pen or a prop like into a camera shot. And it's like, I need you to go three millimeters to the left. And it's so hard to line it up and you have to have it with like gusto. You can imagine how many fucking takes they did of that.

Before we hit a check, I just want to talk a little bit about Steve Coogan's accent work. Yeah, of course. And then... Also the choice that he's cast in it all together. Also his hair and whether that's where I should go. I think your hair is honestly looking amazing at the moment

It's much better than he is in the film But he is a real like you know We talked a little about him in our previous episode as well But it is a real advertisement for the challenges For even our finest actors and impressionists To do an accurate American accent on screen It's so hard isn't it It makes me respect to Americans more in terms of like

When they learn to talk Some of the shapes you've got to make with your mouth to make those sounds, they're weird. Because Amy Powell and Tina Faye talk about it in that Golden Globes thing when British actors do American accent and she goes, I love it how they talk like this.

It seems so normal and real. I had to do an American accent on an American film that was here and it was like, because when I hear an American accent, I get starstruck. Because I'm like, you've got the accent from the movies.

Yeah. And then it's so like awkward when you've got like, and that's why I sort of feel for Steve where he's like, he's like, he isn't fully. he hasn't sort of sat down he's never doing like the American accent

enough that he feels confident about it so when he's like alone with the script reading it he's sort of like froning in his mouth and it's not feeling very comfortable you know and then he's on set before you know it and it's like no one's going like it's because it's such a awkward note for the director to be like

you're not really sounding American you know yeah well Steve Coogan who's in for a day a day exactly here's a theory that I have I don't know if this could be true because I imagine Steve Coogan is a very soundful way of person

but what if they hired Steve Coogan didn't do an audition thought you'll be perfect with this role he turned up their thinking and he'll talk in his voice action he starts doing an American accent no one's discussed that it would be so much more preferable

to just get him in his natural accent but then again it is already the situation that he's in is so close to Alan Partridge that hearing him in his and Steve Coogan's natural voice. He may as well be because he sits down and we go, oh, Steve Coogan. Oh, isn't he, Alan Partridge?

Like, that's what the audience has, like, 100%. And they do nothing to kind of like... You may get to subvert it. Because then he's a broadcaster, like from the 1950s 70s. He's dressed kind of at how Partridge dressed is now. And he works like him too. Like, even the phraseology and just the dialogue

that they give him to work with is very, you know, he says like, when you're on the Mori show and we all know how that turned out and like to say that about a murder that happened is very Alan Partridge you know way of dealing with it so funny when a comedian gets hired for a role

normally you would think that's because they can bring some of their skill set to that role this does not utilise any of his core skills his ability to pretend to be a broadcaster is traded on somewhat or American

he's got too much back Tim Dillon is also in this movie. Did you know that? Who's Tim Dillon? He's a, that's the right question. If you were straight, he's a straight comedian. No, he's gay. He's a gay comedian.

I've got that fully wrong. But with straight energy. Very big straight energy. He is a comedian who's massive in the state. And like, when he popped up, I was like, the fuck is Tim Dillon doing here. I think in the eyes of the studio and Todd Phillips, hopefully bring some of his audience into the cinema. Yeah. And they're like, we'll clip you up a little bit.

And then if you can share it on. socials. If he's the guy next time you're on Rogan, if you could like I actually saw

the, I went on to the Instagram with a guy who's the real joker in this film. Oh yes. And he had a post

about it actually and it was like oh, cat's out of the bag. I'm in this was his caption. Oh God. And it's him

outside the poster like with the poster and then him. It's not even with the cast. No. Yeah. Well, he did. That's wild.

Because like he didn't see Gaga, unfortunately. He's the joke. No. Yeah. Guy did bravely ask us, Chris and I, watch this monologue, is the guy gay?

Yeah. At the end. And I know the line reading you're talking about. Because there's one little bit where he goes like, and he moves his neck from side to side to side a little bit of it. He says, I used to watch you on TV. I used to watch you on TV. Yeah.

And he doesn't like that. And then it's a little bit fruity. I thought even before he begins talking when he walks into the scene, he kind of has a bit of a gay little walk. your words man let's rate the movie so the scale is you can give it two thumbs up

one thumb up no thumbs one thumb down or two thumbs down I'm giving it one thumbs down fair enough I'm going to have to give it two thumbs down okay that's also fair enough I am giving it a zero

but it's a different zero from the last one I gave it Okay. This is like a far more benign zero. But are you reviewing the movie or your experience of watching the movie? I'm reviewing the movie as I saw it this time. Last time I gave it a zero and it was zero on a mission. Right. To hurt Todd Phillips as much as possible.

This zero is in recognition of the fact that like I'm so cooked now that the movie was just like, that it was fine. You should have seen Tim at the last screen. cock of the walk. He was knocking this movie around. He was doing push-ups in front of the movie. I was doing that for survival. You're looking at a guy here who's been beaten down, but out of deference to yourself

and a refusal to blink, you're looking at the movie and saying zero yeah, zero thumbs. You can't hurt me the way you think you can. The last one was negative zero. This one's positive zero. I'll give it one thumb down. I mean, and look, you know, the movie I thought was awful, but

you guys being here, that I couldn't quite get the second thumb facing down. Is my honest experience of what that was like? My next question and final question is, when do you next think you're going to watch this? Oh my God. If I have to watch this again, I don't think I'm going to let it happen.

Like, I think I will, if it came up, I can only see it happening. It's like Christmas. And I'm with all the family, and it's like, what are we going to watch? And there's 14 people suggesting a different movie and it somehow becomes this film. but I think even at that point,

I would throw myself off my balcony. Step in. Here's when I'm watching it next. I'm at an airport. I'm at an airport hotel. I've been flown somewhere for a gig. But I'm at the airport, so I can't go out and do anything.

So I'm just scrolling for what's on the TV. And it's the most interesting thing on. That's not the news. And I'll watch it for a bit. And eventually watch porn on my laptop instead. At the same time, though. Yeah, with Jogatoole will be. with that ground. Tim, same question for you.

I can confidently report that I'll be watching it in about 12 hours from now. Okay, that's good to know. Well, thank you all so much. Oh my God, that actually made me feel sick. For joining us and thank you to Chris and Eli for coming in and taking the time out of your busy queer schedules to take a little look into our lives. We call them queer schools. Yeah.

To take a walk on the other side of town. by watching a film a musical a musical a guy it is yeah it's crazy when I saw the message

I thought to myself please it'd be just like that please it'd be just like that and then it's like that's the opposite of what I wanted I would love you guys

to come on just like that but we've already I feel like we've been so much a goodwill by doing this in time can I have this this opportunity to do a quick plug

check out Chicago it won best picture in 2003 it's an exceptional film what movies do you think people should watch instead of this gross we should all name one that plug is for me I will watch it

when I am out of here I will watch Chicago I mean yeah my favourite film please watch the Patriot you think he's joking he loves the Patriot I love the Patriot

this guy loves the Patriots so much Jonathan Taylor Thomas God so beautiful or Cold Mountain another one of my favorite historical classics Renee's Zellwig had got an Oscar for it too She missed out on the Oscar for Chicago But got it for Cold Mountain

Bless, well done Renee And then again for Judy I know she's got two of those little trophies Don't watch Judy I saw that as bad Is it about Judy Garland? But like this film actually Just sort of This happens

Right That's crazy because her life is amazing The movie I would like people to watch Is the filmed version of Hamilton available on Disney Plus so you can see Jonathan Groff and see if you agree that with me that he could make a fist of Joker.

And I would encourage you to check out the prequel to Joker 2 which is called The Joker. Or reads the original source material comics. Yeah, or find a copy of this script and make a shop-for-shop remake and watch that.

With Lego. Yeah, the Lego Joker. That's the next Joker. The Lego It's Lego It's the only way you can go There is already a Lego Batman With Lego Joker now

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