The Worst Idea Of All Time - 13: My Present Guy

Episode Date: February 11, 2026

The finish line is in sight and the boys are very ready to drag themselves across it. The hangover from last night’s huge revelation is real. Wearing their exhaustion on their sleeve, Tim is talking a BIG GAME about his experiment with showing the Hollywood and Worst Idea cuts of Joker 2 to an unspoiled audience. Guy is reminiscing about previous altered states the boiz have experienced. And all the time while there is one truth that remains constant: You CANNOT defeat this pair.To see all the video episodes from this season, plus bonus content, please support our art/science at: twioat.substack.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

idea of all You think you know a guy Like me or like Joker or like yourself or You think you know anyone Yeah I mean are people knowable Is anyone

You knowable to anyone Except themselves I feel as though We gave Todd every opportunity To correct his work overnight Yeah And you know It's on me

To be surprised by the fact that what has been presented to us on this morning, our 13th screening, is the movie exactly as he left it. He took on none of our, admittedly, quite enthusiastic notes. In fact, it's one note. What I will say is this, Tim. It is a bold strategy for any commercial film

to release into cinemas by opening with an hour and eight minutes of deleted DVD featurette extras. Yeah, maybe he's trying to bring back the whole, that whole thing, the DVD thing. Look, I don't care for speaking of Joker 2 right now if that's okay.

I think, look. That's honestly the most, it's like the best thing I've heard you say this entire season. are you doing? Because we've just watched I feel like I'm talking to my friend. Yeah. We've just done the second to last viewing. So which means there's only one left to never done. I look you know we solved a lot of problems.

Stop going back to the movie. We did so with great enthusiasm. How are you? Can I put through my suspicion? I don't think you know how you are. I can, no, no, no, that might be fair. That might be fair. How does that strike you? That's fine. And it's fine.

Yeah. No, you don't, you, not everyone needs to be attuned to exactly how they are all the time. It's actually an unreasonable ask. Look, Tim, I've been better. I've been worse. I'm in the middle of something. Can I get back to you in four hours time? Yeah, fair enough.

How are you doing? Um, I don't know how I am. I'm not too sure. I'm more tired now than when we lay our head. down last night. I am, the cumulative effect of everything has caught up to me. Yeah.

That was, uh, that was one of the more tired experience I've had watching this. And, you know, technically the finish lines in sight. You looked pretty grim, actually watching this one.

You were right in there, sat down, slouched shoulders, head in hand a lot of time. It's like, it's interesting, is it? It's just the difference between,

the excitement of night time and the clarity of morning. Yeah. We had a breakthrough. We certainly did. And the breakthrough stands. The breakthrough is accurate. The breakthrough is true. But the work remains the same.

That's true. I am still, you know, I plan to take the breakthrough forward. What we discovered in the lab needs to be, see if it stands up to a piece. Well, there's every chance you've done it. This is how... Can I tell you something?

What I thought about when I was... woke up this morning. Yeah. And time passes differently for those listening. I mean, time is different for us now than it is from anyone in the world. Yeah.

But because this is being documented, time is different for us right now than it is for you listening along. But last night, when you brought up your test screening idea, and I sort of probed just the slightest bit to say to anyone listening, obviously you cannot be a part of this.

And you, I don't know if you forgot. I forgot the entire time we were talking basically that I had a face full of makeup. And you gave me a very passionate, grinning argument that wheels are already in motion, bro, words to that effect. And so to anyone listening right now, perhaps the screenings have already... I'd say they have. Yeah, all going well, everything's already conducted. We don't have the data. Well, we do, I don't know.

You're crossing some timelines now and I'm not quite sure to react to which guy, future guy. My present guy. I'm going to just talk to my present guy in the present day. The best thing to do is to talk to each other now. Because if there's one thing I'm very aware of, I may not know exactly how I feel, but I know that my brain isn't in the most agile position it's ever been in before.

And so holding sort of multiple chronologies in line would be difficult. Just like a shared memory flashback I've just had of the state that you're in what it reminds me of, and I'm sure this has been covered previously in conversations on the record. Yeah. But I'm getting the energy from you, of when we went to House Party in Malibu

and we had, through different means, altered our reality from that of those around us. Yes. And you became convinced and consumed by the idea that one of our fellow partygoers

was filming a secret footage style almost prank show. Yeah. And without having broached any form of conversation with him, you went up to him and said, just so you know, I know what you're doing.

And you're going to need a lot of release forms. The first thing I said is, I know what you're doing, and I don't think it's very cool. Because from my perspective, everyone's having a nice time at a party, except that one dude who is filming everything. But that is representative of, I think, how I'm interpreting your mental state and certainly my own. Right now?

That's where I'm at. I'm a lot more, I am in all ways, a lot more sober-minded than I was in that moment. It was interesting. I mean, that was not quite psychosis. For those putting along, by the way, this is like, we were probably, what, mid to late 20s? And we were, you were talking to probably like a... A guy who was slightly younger than us. Yeah, like 20.

I would have been like 24, 25, he would have been 21-ish. A total stranger. It was at an album rap party that we managed to go to. A young, earnest American lad. I had a fucking awesome time of that rap party. Do you remember that, um, It was like two in the morning, and there were like different zones in that house. What was the song they were blasting?

It was like Sail Away or something. It was funny. It was, it was, it was, it will be written somewhere. It was funny. At any right, you're getting a read from me, uh, mentally similar to how I was at my most delusional. The cadence of, yeah, the cadence of the sentences you were giving me earlier, put me in the mind of that time. Sure. Okay, well, I'm not in any position to counter that, you know?

You don't need to. Not that I need to. But I feel like you've got a far better gauge on what's happening with me than I do. And vice versa, I would actually say. I think the internal barometers are broken, but the external instrumentation still working a little bit. Skewed, not perfectly accurate, not calibrated, but what's happening outside world, I can still interpret.

inside we were a little bit fucked. What did you think of last night going on stage with the face full of Joker makeup in front of an unsuspecting comedy crowd? That's a great question, Tim. Look, I was on after you. You were on, we were closing the first half, and I watched you from backstage.

And I thought you were outstanding. Thanks, man. I heard you laughing. I was laughing. Boyant. I even interacted with you at one point because you said, what do you guys want me to talk about? And I wanted you to keep doing your Joker 2 gear.

And I said as much. Someone in the audience said Joker 1. I just thought you were so funny. And then I was impressed that you were really diligent in writing down your jokes between the screening and the performance. And I really thought it paid off. And then... I actually forgot to do one on stage.

What was the bit? Do you think Bruce Wayne would have been on the Epstein flight logs? Funny. just independent of any context that we've created, it's just a funny bit. I mean, like if nothing else from this entire enterprise, perhaps you have birthed one sort of slightly abstract, one-line-a-joke.

So I thought that was great. I regretted when we watched the movie last night that I didn't open, because I sat on the stool for the whole set, by inverting what Judge Up says to Joker when he is about to mount his final defense and collapses, which is along the lines of...

I'll remind you, Mr. Fleck, this is a courtroom, not a comedy stage, not a comedy club. Yeah. No, I want to say, just need I remind you, this is a comedy club. All right. You wanted to say,

yeah, I wanted to invert it. And these will be jokes. Oh, fair warning, this is a comedy club. These will be jokes. Or words to that effect. Probably wouldn't have worked, but I just think it would have felt good. Well, worked for who?

I think is the key thing. I think... Who was the set for? I had a good time and then I dug into one joke which was not from the world of the movie. There was just like an old joke that I could never really get to work. And I said it. And it was everything I'd said, it went the worst. And then I said, that's the most one that's like a joke.

And do you know what I think with hindsight? Yeah. I can see why they didn't go for it and I regret it. I regret puncturing what we had built. I am... delighted in it not in a way that you're like you know feeling that it could have gone better i don't take delight in that but i take delight in the method film review component of what occurred last night and also in that you got i don't know you got closer to arthur i think last

night you you you were getting jokery on it because you were presented with like it's an absurd situation. Your face was done up to look like the Joker. And then you were doing Joker material, but you couldn't help yourself. Because you had a comedy audience and a stage at the comedy club. And you thought, you know what? I'll run some gear. I did think, so this is what I thought afterwards.

You know, the comedian in me, beneath the Joker and me, I was frustrated. First layer guy, Montgomery. Then Jok yeah, it was disappointed that the set hadn't gone as well as a set can go. But then the film critic in me, the method film reviewer in me, was grateful for the experience of a set being challenging and not feeling good because I thought, well, this does have me more of a piece with our protagonist. So on the whole, and I will say, I don't think it was solely the dopamine of, you know, the change of scenery, the breath of fresh air it was to be, I suppose,

interfacing with the public and our comedy community. But I do think it buoyed us to the point that, you know... You were able to make your discovery. To a point, yeah. I have changed my thinking. Previously, I've discussed this season as being our art project, which, like, I think it turns it has been. But now I do understand it to be...

We are in the laboratory, and we've been tooling around. And the thing with science is, like, it's actually very... boring and then every now and then someone just think it's with the right thing in the right way and you're like make a discovery you make a genuine breakthrough and that's like that's the headline that people read that makes people think science is interesting and easy exactly we are showing you behind the curtain on all of the work that it takes to make and it was a miracle that one happened because like more often than not a breakthrough won't happen so it's just you know full credit to you for finding the moment and once again we had sort of talked about like

you know, we get the sense that if this movie started later, we got something, but you picked the absolute frame in the movie that you need to start it from for it to all work. You turned to me during the screening today and you said, I knew there was more juice than that orange. Yes, because you were worried that orange had no juice left in it last night. And then we did a fourth watch of Joker 2 inside of one day. And that, I think that was the key. It was just pushing a little further than anyone would reasonably expect another person

to go with it. As though what we had previously done was within reach for others. The whole enterprise is obviously absurd on its face, but three watches a day is quite a lot. It's the three watches and then discussions of it. That's quite a lot.

But to add a fourth on one of those days, that's what science requires of us. The movie today, it picked up again in the second half, but like it was better than the first. 11, worse than the 12th. Fair.

And that is inevitable. Of course. Like, I don't think either of us knew that we were going to get to where we did. No. And now we're kind of living in the aftermath of knowing that, but still having to retread, like, an imperfect text that we, you know, like... It is funny because there is, you know, a sliding door's reality where we decided to do 12-watch. and on the 12th we cracked the movie. But what we have done is did 12 watches crack to the movie and then just have to do two watches after that.

Yeah, like again, this would not be in the news report of the scientific experiment, but this is, you're now listening to people proofreading their work. Yeah. A lot of people would outsource this to an editor or a copywriter, but we are going back over our own work to make sure that it is all. I do just want to say, though, as well, the reason why I'm now leaning so heavily on the fact of what we're doing as a scientific pursuit is because the audience testing is going to see if these results are replicable because that is a core fundamental. You have a theory and the theory,

the original standing theory of Jokey 2 is that it is a shocker of a movie and it doesn't work and it's bad. And we got into the lab with it and really wrestled with it and tested it and threw a lot of different possibilities at it and finally figured out how you make this thing a good movie. Almost alchemy. I mean, and then what we need to do

is take our findings out of the laboratory and into the real world and see if we can repeat them because that is how you get new established science. That's how you dominate over the old theory and replace it with the new is being able to repeat your results and that is what the test screenings are going to give us.

We're going to be field testing, our breakthrough. And I'm excited about that. I'm physically very drained. I'm very sick of thinking about Joker 2, talking about Joker 2 and watching Joker 2. But I am

excited about the fact that we... It does feel like we've unearthed something that may be interesting to a couple of people out there. There might be some fellow scientists who are interested in this particular branch of study. Yeah, I am interested

Yeah, I'm interested to know. I just believe it. You know, I agree fundamentally with what you're saying. But it intimidates me, I think, psychologically right now because it, on the timeline we live in, it extends a project which is, you know. Already past its... Well, like that I can see the end of.

And now you're talking about staying in the realm of it. that's you you you you've you've you put it to bed for a little bit but but yeah yeah yeah yeah we'll figure out some other people to sort of help us the great thing about test screenings is the um you don't have to go correct I don't think we should to either version I don't think people I don't really I don't want to be involved people can't know that we're affiliated we're exactly we're the laboratory scientists so we actually so the way that you need to dress up the event is like an anonymous body want to know what you think of what you like at the movie going audience

yeah think of joker two a movie that has already been released i know i've been trying to figure out the logistics on actually how we get the group that we need because what we need we actually need two groups of people who haven't seen joker two but i also want for them to not know that what they're going to see is joker two so the thing that i came up with let me know what you think of this. We make a list of like 15 movies and we send it out to a large sample size and we say, hey, we would like some volunteers to be involved in this. Can you mark on paper if you have or haven't seen these 15 movies to kind of throw them off the trailer book? So they won't know A, if that's related and B, if it is one of those movies, which one it will be, they need to kind

of come in unawares. But we need to know that they haven't seen Joker 2 as well. So you put that are there. How many people do you need per screening? Because there's two screenings taken place. It's a great question, man. One is feature length, one is... Yeah. Our length. We're not... You know, this is going to be a resource intensive endeavor. Like, this is

going to take a bit. For the results to be scientifically significant, I think each group needs to be about 15 people. What do you reckon of that? About 15? Guys giving me the thumbs up on that one. There is another possibility, though, as well, that I did want to broach with you and I don't know if you're in the best place to discuss it guys sort of pieced out from

his position at the microphone now everyone and um just as his head buried in his arm here at the bar at the classic where we've been living for five days how to put this delicately there is always the potential that the breakthrough we think we've made was not a breakthrough related to the movie but more a breaking of us. What do you think? Undoubtedly. That is not a news bulletin. That is hard data.

Statistically, how likely is it that the thing that is cracked is not our cracking of the movie but of ourselves? 50-50. Both can be true. The likelihood of this being interesting to anyone is damn near as. zero but what is important to me is not how this reads or you know what it means in wider society what is important to me the value i extract from the religious experience we had with each other in the movie last night yeah is that we got somewhere yeah you can't you cannot it doesn't

matter like you know this goes back to biblical times this is Lazarus you cannot beat us down you can get

like fucking close you can get as like you know this is psychically the

single most damaging creative project I have undertaken. The distance that this project has put between me and what I still, in the top sort of corner of my mind, understand to be my reality, is so vast, it has been, like, actually intimidating to me.

Yeah. And what happened last night, what it means, is it was not for nothing. We got somewhere. And what that means now and what it means when we watch the movie again for the final time and what it means tomorrow next month, next year,

and to others. It's not really important. Sure. We ran into just referencing how you were sort of describing the experience we've been on this last five days. And not to over-egg it. Realistically, we have put ourselves

I was in a sticky situation and stayed there. But it has been fascinating to, A, observe just how quickly you can kind of break yourself when you set the conditions just right. And also a funny observation when we're in the green room from our friend, Liv McKenzie, fantastic New Zealand comedian last night when we explained to her what we were doing. Because also, we just arrived in the green room and no one had been briefed on what we were doing. So we just saw all of our friends who were comedian. and we were dressed up as Joker, both of us.

So they were quite curious naturally about what was going on, explained it to a couple of our colleagues and peers. Yeah, I mean, definitely part of where my vulnerability came from was like being dressed as Joker while feeling the most like Joker I will feel in my life. Yeah, I was actually, I don't know if you noticed this, but I was sort of avoiding having conversations with people. At one point, I was on the balcony watching the show. show and I had no idea that you were standing behind me and I just naturally turned to like just

turned to stretch maybe and could just see like the glowing sort of the gentle glow of your face emerging from the shadows and it was like it gave me a jump scare it was actually like scary because you know and you forget this this is true from when you're a kid it's when you're in face paint it is very easy to forget you're in face paint particularly when you're in the dark so I wasn't just seeing you. It was like the jump scare of the wider circumstance. Yeah, you sort of caught yourself in a mirror. So I continue because I do think what you're building towards was

funny or interesting and possibly both. We are doing the Stanford Prison Experiment. However, we are both the guards and the prisoners. And she's right. Yeah, she's so right and it is so funny. And to accredit, after she said that to us, she said, fuck I'm funny. right on both counts live here's to you but it is um you know it adds uh it adds weight to the sort

of scientific endeavor of what we're doing which appeals to me does the does the science invalidate the art if this is a scientific experiment it was in pursuit of discovering something if this was an artistic endeavor it was in pursuit of the journey and a desire to land in a destination, I think, almost takes away from the artistic merit of it. It's not, it's sort of, it has become a science experiment. It's not a pure science experiment because we didn't start with a hypothesis. The sort of creative hypothesis that underpins everything we've done since we were doing grownups too is that if you do one thing enough times, it will become interesting. It's not necessarily like, you know, you

you know, there's not a preordained piece of information we're looking to find. We didn't start watching Joker 2 with the intent of fixing or solving Joker 2. And so in that respect, I think, you know, the Twain have met. It is, it was and is an art project that has... I guess we're crafts people. Inside of it intersected with a science experiment. And, you know, I mean... I'll be interested to see which if either of the two communities,

the arts community and the science community, claim this as part of their uvra. Sure. Wouldn't be surprised to find us out in the middle with the brand new sort of third group. No one laying claim. But yeah, I think, you know, I think to zoom out, I do think it's more likely that artists will take into. in what we're doing than scientists. I would say, you know, I could make an appointment with my psychologist not long after this

and discuss the process. And it would kind of genuinely be interesting to me to hear her interpretation of what I did and why I did it. And then I suppose she'd provide me with some tools to make sure I'm, either not going to do it again or somehow of stronger mind, you know, to actually introduce the byproduct of this to my real world as kind of a curious extension, like a footnote, I suppose. Have you felt in jeopardy? Do you feel in jeopardy today from a mental point of view? No, not right now. I have felt, yeah, I have felt in some form of jeopardy. I have wondered

you know because I think when I blocked this when I blocked this amount of time out of my calendar to do this I looked at the Friday the day that we reintegrate and I thought and then I'll just go back like you know I'm doing a tomorrow I'm doing a day of media interviews

to promote a live show so I'm doing like a long form conversational podcast with someone about being Guy Montgomery. And that is never, it's not interesting to me, but it's never been like intimidating to me. But throughout the week, and it's not that specifically, but I have been curious about whether or not

I overestimated how easily I could flip between this version of, you know, this experience of what we're doing and just immediately returning to... You've got to be Arthur Fleck tomorrow. Yeah. And you've just been a week being the Joker. I mean, have you felt in jeopardy at any point? like do you think

do you think tomorrow will be a straightforward day where you know your life as a family is like a I think there is something about young children that would just rubber band snaps you back to reality there's nothing for it

but to just slot back in and start changing hampies on the record you know I did ask you outright whether or not you think this will make you a more present and loving person yeah and the answer is

was and is, I suppose, yes. Absolutely. Which is also, again, you know, in addition to the research we've done into Joker 2, the research into ourselves or yourself, that is not nothing. It's not nothing. I don't know if it's worth the sort of trade-off of sort of being absent for a week from their lives. It seems like a lot to get a small addition afterwards in that regard. I'm imagining a conversation in the future where they're like,

Hey, Dad, remember, there was still a week where you weren't there. And you'll say, well, my boys sit down. Let me tell you. Put these noise cancelling headphones on. I've got a story to tell you. I wanted to give my shining light. Oh, yeah, and then I wanted to ask you a question. Certain kind of lies.

Thank you so much. I forgot. This is why you can't sleep. This is why you shouldn't sleep because you forget stuff. That's how memory works. Don't sleep. Don't forget. it's when

it's actually it's very close to that moment not canon so this is in the DVD speak freely this is in the DVD extras behind the scenes portion of the movie

the the Sunny and Sheabiji's sequence and this is the song's all about me loving me and then she says

now who's making it all about themselves. That's right. And then he does a little, a clowny hurt. Like he's been struck in the heart. And I like it. I like that moment. I like his physicality. I like what he does with his face. It's awesome. It's clown. It's fast. It's for the stage. It's Joaquin doing his thing. I'm glad you enjoyed that. Because last night before we crack the code, you raised a very credible and interesting point. You said, what is this? Because she pulls out the gun and shoots him. And you say this is foreshadowing of another fantasy. Like you can't foreshadow.

It's so stupid. A fantasy with a fantasy because it means less than nothing. It's like it is actively wasting our time. In a movie of one of the characters has a dream about something that's going to happen in the future, you know, in a soothsay premonition kind of a way. That's interesting. That's fascinating. That's sort of, you know, pulling it a lot of metaphysical elements. to do some storytelling for you.

But if you're just doing a dream twice, it's like, well, what's going on here? And we solved it. By getting rid of the first. It actually became like, you know, his dying, you know, communicated a wider betrayal. I also, I don't know if we covered it. I know we spoke passionately last night and kind of accelerated through the end because we talked about it so often before. But I want to say another one of the great things of the show don't tell storytelling

experience that the new edit of the movie does is after the explosion in the courtroom Harvey Dent, whose name has not been expressly said in the movie, is shown in the aftermath of the explosion with half of his face burned off. And I just want to give credit to the movie for that enjoyable detail of storytelling. Because like, loads of the same to correct you, but just if there's anything that is about this film, I'm going to say, if it's a thought in my silly little head. I don't think does anyone in this movie say

Harvey Dent? His name comes up in Chiron on the television a couple of times. I don't know if anyone says Judge Up might say Mr. Dent. He does, yeah.

Which is, you know. Mr. Dent was my year five teacher. And he's the only person I'd met at that age who had the same unusual kind of

nail bed that I do on the finger that I got lopped off by mistake when I was five. Right. And it really bonded me to him. That's not. Was there a good guy? It was a pretty sort of stayed school, even for a sort of primary.

And he certainly brought a certain artistic jeanise qua that, you know, some of the other teachers didn't. In year four, you know, you want to talk about Joker. And yeah, four, I remember going down to take a piss in the urinal. And a guy who I'd previously been very good friends with pushed me into the urinal, and I was covered in sort of urinal water.

I was, you know, like a little bit wet. Yeah. And I went back up to tell, you know, make of that what you will. Mrs. Daniels that I got pushed into the urinal. Your age again? Your age at this time? 14? Eight?

Oh, okay. Oh, young. Young, young. And she said, it's okay, guy. You had an accident. We don't need to, you know, we don't need to pretend that someone else did this. Wow. And I don't have the same core memory of Mr. Dent betraying me in this way. So it's fond in that respect. Huge shout out. As far as shining, as far as special kind of, special kind of light,

Thank you. Go. In this movie. You know. And it's a movie I know. And it's a movie I know you know. First time I've seen him sweat. Well, look,

notebooks are gone now, basically. I've been a very diligent, quite prodigious note taker. I think I've... You should sell the notebook, to be honest, worth nothing. Someone will want that as a cultural artifact. What is so?

Because I did, I found it, you know, I, tested the research we did last night and it worked but I did still find it to be a challenging screening experience so there's nothing uh leaping out to the very top of my mind I think you know what it's something I've noticed and thought about because the way that Harvey Dent is played in this movie is like he's this phenomenal uh you know sort of a boy wonder quality time because he has an incredibly youthful appearance and yet he's presented as this and he's And he's so confident in court and in the case that he's putting forward in a way that

is like, it is such an open and shut case. It is crazy to feel any personal responsibility that you are a part of winning it when it's like it's all there for you on a platter. But the way he carries himself, like, geez, I'm incredible. Can you believe that I am capable of like putting forward such a strong argument of someone being a murderer when there is television footage of it, happening and it has been covered on the news for two years before we're in trial the way he's carrying himself was like he was holding the camera you know he unearthed the footage uh but there are two more senior lawyers to his to his right who are like on his bench the entire case and they sort of do a good job of like looking at each other and towards harvey is so like jesus kids go you know

yeah and so i'll give my flowers to those two older lads who are in the world of the film are senior lawyers who are making space for this prodigious young litigator and in the world of the film are two older actors who are forced to make space for a superior younger actor. For that role? Yeah. I would say, yeah. Just shout out to them. Nice.

Shout out to them. And that brings me to the question that I wanted to ask you. Yeah. I'm very aware that. that often... Baby, baby, baby, you don't know what it's like. In our working relationship, I often will present you with a little brush over the line sometimes.

I will want to push us a little bit further than... Don't. I'm not. No, no, no, I don't think it's... It's what I've already asked you that I think you've been mulling over during this screening. The possibility of us watching it, the final one, with headphones on. Yeah, don't say no, no, no, because I said don't to something I don't want to do. You were reacting so animated that I thought you were thinking I was going to propose like an additional screening or something.

No, no, because I know that neither of us have the fortitude for that. It's not possible. It's not happening. But the headphones. I'm really, look. Do you know yesterday? Before I answer the question. I just want to say this.

Yesterday, I've told you, I felt really sick. And I honestly think the movie did it to me. Like I thought I was going to throw up at one point. And I think that was the movie. You've spoiled yourself sick with this movie. Look, before I answer the question, before I tell you how I feel, which might not be a full-blown answer, I want to say, this screening for me was no thumbs.

It was a no-thumb screening. It was not damaging. It was not enjoyable. It was hard, but not in a way that really wounded. me. You cannot hold me down. We remain undefeated. We've looked at losing. We'll see what happens. I've looked failure in the fucking eye. What did you get? Is the thumb down. One thumb down. Fair enough. And that's totally fair enough. The other thing I'll say is I don't want to do what you are suggesting. I understand that. With every single part of myself. I get that. I don't want to do it.

And that is my answer. Okay. Okay? Okay. We'll see you soon for the thrilling conclusion to whatever this is.