The Worst Idea Of All Time - 16: Toxic People w/ Patti Harrison

Episode Date: April 14, 2023

Patti Harrison has joined the chat. Specifically the final chat about F8 with Tim and Guy. As she turns her incisive mind to analysis of these two men's near-decade long quest for meaning in watching bad movies too many times, the pair crumble under the scrutiny. Tim is assuming a knife-like(!) form and Guy ever-so-briefly rediscovers the joy of talking about a movie he actually likes. Lowlights from this watch include a lack of Charlize Theron's pussy appearing on screen and highlights include some inside information about Hillary Clinton.Support us and see the full video episode at TWIOAT.substack.comSee Guy live in Australia and New ZealandSee Tim live in Australia and New ZealandFollow Patti Harrison on Instagram because she did a really cool prank on Twitter and got her account banned from the platform. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Music Music Music Music Music Music 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 Hello and welcome to another episode of The Worst Idea of All Time with Tim Batt and Guy Montgomery. We have just watched The Fate of the Furious for the 8th and final time.

But we didn't do it alone. We have a very special guest today. We are joined by patty harrison hello patty hi how are you i'm pissed i'm pissed what's happened it's it's so early yeah it's the earliest i think in my life i've watched a movie that I didn't want to watch. Is that true? I think so. And we invaded your space too. We came in here.

Yeah. What time did we get here? Like 9 a.m.? 9.05 we got here. You got here after. Yeah. Disgusting. We arrived simultaneously with your breakfast. Here's what we did.

I packed up a big backpack of stuff, microphones, a big old laptop. We went and got a coffee and then we headed round to Paddy's apartment thing and strolled in here. I'm rearranging HDMI cables. I'm plugging things into TV so that we can get the full cinema experience

of The Fate of the Furious. Going into the, you guys going in the bathroom, not flushing the toilet leaving big loaves in there oh look we don't need to get into all that yeah there's that's a bit of backstage banter between the toilet that's a new zealand thing each painted the toilet the hand smears were i agree and unnecessarily detailed you've actually been a very gracious host. We arrive with your breakfast.

You bring us into your home. You've lit a candle. And then we all sat down and did what I would say was a pretty unique version of watching the movie. Patty, watching a movie with you, this movie specifically, was a unique delight. It was a bad experience? No, no. It was very positive. I you this movie specifically was a unique delight it's bad experience no no it was very positive i hate this movie i have felt trapped by this movie and you kind of your observation of our relationship to the movie and what we do actually it was quite powerful it took steps to help set me free well i think i think that's the sometimes i think that's the dysmorphia of mental illness is that you can't, when you're tunneled into your own horrible, toxic patterns of behavior and it goes past becoming a pattern into becoming your temperament, you have a hard time of actually being able to see yourself so you need someone who has a more objective point of view about you who maybe doesn't know you very

well to look at the way that you're living and say hey you're hurting people and those people that you're hurting are yourselves oh wow i mean your advice to us and i hate to bring something out of the context of being on the mic to on the mic but you said you guys should kill yourselves for your own good for yourselves for your own good. Yeah, for your own good. Because it's like you have to get rid of the toxic people in your lives and you are the toxic people in your own lives. And I say that with like compassion.

I think it would be a compassionate gesture. I'm hearing the compassion and the warmth behind the suggestion that we kill ourselves to sort of end our own suffering with this this podcast which has been going on for a very long time now um but i would like to echo what guy said that it was it was nice um watching here with you today i had a lot of fun i i also i didn't realize that i had seen this movie before and then i watched as we were watching i was like oh yeah i have seen this movie You've seen all of them before? I haven't seen the most recent one, but I've seen all the other ones,

including this one. And do you have any concept of how this one stacks up against the others in terms of quality? One of the worst? Yeah, that's what everyone said. Yeah, it's quality. It's just an algorithm movie at this point.

This is the eighth time we've seen this, but now we get to watch seven later on um which i'm so excited for but what was kind of interesting um to see you guys watch a movie that you've seen eight times and it kind of you you weren't as i thought you'd be like i don't know more tapped into what was going on but it kind of looks like the movies bludgeoned you into like this weird like awake rem sleep yeah it's a hard movie kind of like it's a hard movie to tap into though yeah it's also um this is reflective of what you were saying before if it's just tim and I, we sort of resist the urge to talk to one another and both kind of push each other

to concentrate on the movie. But you, you sort of were lying down and trying different body positions and sort of just, you know, we were having quite entertaining conversation and then every 15 minutes you'd say, was that CGI? And, you know, we'd rewind for one frame.

Well, it just felt like if i stayed too still if i looked at the screen for if i sat and actually looked at what was happening on the screen for more than like five minutes at a time i could feel like fluid build up in different parts of like bile building up and yeah it just felt i would feel like nauseated at because i think if you watch it if it's the kind of movie where if you start to understand what's happening you start getting sick yeah exactly if that makes sense it makes it makes a lot of sense when you said like you know we're not uh sort of fully engaging with the movie in the way that you would expect for two people who have seen it so many times like we don't sort of know it and there were the beats and the rhythms as well as we should it's that i think it's a little bit of

self-preservation were you well i definitely was i think i was i i think shifting a lot during the movie and making a lot of comments and doing a lot of asides because i think when i did stop to like settle into the movie and then i would look over and then you guys were actually focused on the movie it was pretty unsettling the the kind of the i guess emptiness seeing how emptily emptily to or emptily Just kind of like void of human experience. It didn't feel like you were experiencing anything. It was like looking at a photo of somebody frozen in time. That's what it feels like. You didn't outright state this during the screening,

but you were looking after us. You were keeping an eye on us during the film. I thought you were struggling to concentrate, but you were keeping two eyes on the lad. I think I was questioning you from the blow of watching this movie in eighth time in full. I think if either of you actually sat down and gave a concentrated watch to this movie in eighth time,

you would both get severe brain damage and organ failure. Honestly, this is one of the most generous offers we've had from any guests who we've done uh any any episodes of the podcast aside from maybe after we did the second season paul f tompkins said that we should just stop doing it outright he insisted that we stopped doing this because of what it was doing to us but yeah you you looked on to what we were doing and you saw two two boys in trouble and you have really tried to help and you have your your to help, and you have helped. You're men. Mm-hmm.

Okay. Let's not be boys calling, men calling ourselves boys. I've infantilized myself. Enough of that. Accept the responsibility that you're a man doing this. You're not a boy doing this.

Oh, no. I don't like where this is going. No, no, no. You're a full-grown man. I liked it when I was being called an adult, but now I've got responsibility coupled with that. Yeah.

Yeah. I think it's just an opportunity to meditate on your daily quality of life, the use of your time, the intention. Please don't. Please stop this line of thought. The value in doing things that are conceptually funny versus the turmoil of what you're metabolizing in any given moment of your day.

It feels as though you're staging an intervention. I just feel like there are things that can be, it's like, oh, you know, it's funny in concept, but then the act of it is like a car accident for your soul over and over again. You're lifting up the curtain too high. Yeah, this is scary stuff. Can I ask what, outside of the entertainment value of the idea of doing it, do you feel that there are positive benefits of having seen these movies

as many times have you seen them like what what can you say after watching this specific movie eight times have you learned what benefit could there be to watching like fast nine nine times like what benefit could there be do you hear the how pointed you that like tone in your voices that you're pointing it at me that should be pointed at yourself but that's the that's the reason why we're doing it can you answer and look at my body language by the way as you've been like unwrapping this sort of onion of of the last terrifyingly almost 10 years of our lives doing this podcast together my body language i just noticed has been really like closing up like i'm getting defensive i'm trying to protect my physical body because i don't even know if this is confronting it's really interesting

your perception of what your body's doing is that you're like oh i'm like closing off you're actually becoming very knife like your body is actually weaponizing and you're kind of externalizing you're trying to rationalize and validate your own sick behavior in an externalized way that anyone who can kind of give a critical lens on that is actually you know um primed to be stabbed you think i'm turning into a knife yeah in a metaphysical sense you're you're not right like physically that's what's happening right now your hands are metaphysical sense you're you're not right like physically that's what's happening right now your hands are blading up you're right and you think that's what i'm doing is like a defense mechanism is that i'm i'm sort of sharpening myself so that if anyone gets too

close i can i can sort of injure them before they can get too close to me with this stuff well just moments ago how quick you were to to flip a very sensible question on me in a way that as as if i have any responsibility in anything that's happening did that was that defense that was overly defensive of me it didn't feel overly defensive but it felt like it felt like not sarcasm there there's a deflection that happens i think when people ask a question to fill time they ask a hypothetical question to fill time in hopes that you put the onus on the other person in the hypothetical response to um to decide whether or not it's worth it to continue

to go down that road or if they will be redundant and what they have to respond with if that checks out like like by you being me being like what do you think the benefits are of you doing this this time and you being like well what do you think the benefits are it's like then it's like oh if I continue to push it then I'm maybe being a little redundant so wow it's like a gas lighting flipping the and on me to be the person that's like if i actually push this i'm being annoying me patty i'm being annoying when actually you're being um kind of vicious and nasty and that's what doing this does to you and guy you are not omitted from this you have some explaining to do too

not omitted from this you have some explaining to do too i want to hear i want to hear you i don't care what i have to say about this because i i feel like i'm like this is sick you're sick we i'm so much out of the reason that we watched it with you is because we we do care what you think we need we need to know what you think about this because we can't share any new information you're providing new perspective at least to our experience but in terms of the movie i don't like it have you seen a movie that you do like that many times uh eight times maybe inglorious bastards you you love that movie i like that movie what about that movie do you like i just like i like um i like i think it's funny i think it's well acted i like the sort of you know the set pieces there's some great scenes it's got one of the great opening scenes

what is the opening of that movie uh christoph waltz and also you know in the opening of that movie? Christoph Waltz. And also, you know, in the context of my movie fandom, I didn't even know this actor existed, but he goes to a rural farm in France where the milk farmer is hiding. Yeah, and he's like very charming and debonair, and he knows that there are people under the floorboards, and it's very tense. He's drinking milk. He's very, very charismatic, very villainous.

It's a beautiful, it's a great opening scene. If that's on, I can't stop watching. I just keep going. I love that movie. It's nice to talk about something I enjoy. So there's balance. Well, not really. Well.

You know, I'm watching Fast 7 seven times next. Well, there is, it sounds like there's someone inside of you who is looking out for you in a way that the current one that's leading right now is not. The current version of Guy that's sitting on the couch right now holding the microphone, recording the podcast. But this is dessert. We just worked our way through a very dry, challenging meal the conversation is the truth of the movie yeah this is the this is the part to

look forward to me this feels like um sauerkraut or a digestive or some sort of digestive aid where it's like maybe it's not the most delicious food in the world but it's so nourishing microbiome yeah incredibly important and helpful um and yeah it is the things that you've said so far to me really confronting what are the what's a movie that you've seen that you really like that you've seen as many times as you've seen this movie i'm not sure if there is one i've seen interstellar a lot um how much is a lot maybe six or seven times okay that's on par yeah so you'll have seen interstellar almost as many times as you'll watch the seventh fast and furious movie yeah and so is this now are you is this like a reassurance that

like what you reflected with guy is there a is there a healthy person inside of tim looking out for Tim, do you think? I think so. I hope so. I don't think I'm as healthy when it comes to self-care as Guy is. What? You don't think so? Paddy, what's a movie that you love? Are there any movies that you go back to watch multiple times

as like a comfort food movie? Yeah, I have a couple movies. I love Finding Nemo. Like movies that I find myself watching on a plane when I feel a little stressed out. It's like Finding Nemo, WALL-E. I know WALL-E has problematic fat phobic themes in it, which is why I can't stop coming back to it. It just feeds that part of my soul, that fat phobic part of my soul.

And I also watch Eternal Sunshine a lot on planes and I watch Before Sunrise a lot. Wow. You're on a lot of planes. There's four movies you watch a lot on planes. Well, I'm a pilot. And I'm watching, and I'm not allowed to watch on a screen so i watch the movies on my phone i download them before the flight that was lightning quick um one thing i did notice while watching specifically this movie

and i know that say its name fate of the furious is you've got a real eye for detail on cars you're obsessed with the idea there was a subaru impresa in the final scene i bet you there was i'm not taking the bit so when you here's the thing you guys are working backwards through the franchise there are more impmprezas to come. It's cool. There's Mitsubishi Lancers. There's Eclipses. There's Eclipse Spiders. Do you like cars?

There's Dodge Challengers. Dodge Chargers. There's Nissan GTRs. There's Skylines. There's multiple different versions of Skylines. There's MWM3s. You love cars. There's fucking different versions of Skylines. There's MWM3s. You love cars. There's fucking Enzo Ferrari.

Is there? What one's that? You love cars. I think the Ferrari Enzo is in the Charlie's Angels. You love cars. And you have good recall. No, I don't have good recall. No?

I couldn't tell you what that movie was about. The one we just watched. It's a different thing though. Do you want to have a crack no i it was we talked we talked about it yeah before the podcast that's when i said what i had to say about the movie i think it is about from what you explained to me generously is that dom treto has a nephew or cousin. He's gorgeous. Yeah, he is.

He's got stunning eyes. He's got beautiful curls. He's very model-esque. I'm sure in real life that actor has a modeling contract. And if he does, I'd love to see some of the photos that he's, some editorial photos he's been in, because I'm sure he has an amazing body under those clothes. And so he is in the movie for about three seconds. some editorial photos he's been in cause I'm sure he has an amazing body under those clothes. Um,

and so he is in the movie for about three seconds. I remember him and then his uncle is a, is like a, he is, he pawns people's cars or something. And so they get in a race in the beginning to try and get dom toretta's car back or something is that a lie no you're in the ballpark and then somehow they get to so you skip forward a little bit there are charlie's throne is in a submarine that is shooting missiles on ice lake okay hold on and there's someone ramps a car over sand and hits a chain that's holding up a big steel bar or beam.

And a baby has headphones on and Jason Statham sexually assaults a bunch of people on a plane. I don't think that's what happened in this movie. Have you described it? And then someone shoots the baby's mom to death, but the mom is actually married to Chris Hemsworth, who has an amazing body. He has an incredible V, like his cum gutters,

and he's got great pecs, and like really tiny waist, but like huge shoulders. How old do you think he is? And he plays Thor, huh? How old do you think Chris Hemsworth is? 22. Pretty close, 39. 39?

Do you know when his birthday is? No. We should do something for Chris Hemsworth's 40th. That would be nice. Have a little party or something. Is he here in Australia? Sometimes. We've sort of fallen out of touch.

You know, someone told me they saw Eric Bana on the street here in Melbourne the other day. Like a couple of days ago. He was a stand-up. He did stand-up before he got into acting. I learned after when they said that they showed me photos of him doing sketch. Yeah. Is this the guy who was the Hulk? Briefly.

The original one, yeah. Ever so briefly. I don't even know. I couldn't pick Eric Bana in the lineup. I don't know what that guy looks like. He's really handsome. He's like dark hair. So like me, not like Guy.

Yeah. I would say he's more like the nephew from Fast 8. Okay. He kind of is that same genre. Good touchstone. Yeah. That's fascinating. Okay.

So we've got Chris Hemsworth's got great cum gutters jason statham's a sexually assaulted bunch of people on a plane anything else that stood out plot wise um there is uh there's some plot happening with uh dom toretto is working for the bad guys he is being blackmailed charlie's throne has his baby and the mom and uh so and she wants what an emp is that like electromagnetic pulse thing oh my gosh and then um and so she but and she has dreads um but she's rocking them um and she has blue eyes and at one point she's in a computer chair and they and dom treto swings her around in the chair and it's really sexy. You never get to see her pussy though.

Yeah. That's a shame. They don't show it in the movie and they don't even imply it's there. I couldn't agree more. I've thought every time I watch it, what am I meant to think that Charlize Theron no longer has her pussy? no longer has it she no longer has it these movies need to

be more explicit with stuff like this because it can get in the way of the actual plot they're trying to get you to concentrate on if they don't specifically address do you i'll direct this maybe to a guy do you think that uh do you think Michelle Rodriguez has a pussy in this film because of what we see in Cuba? There's sort of like the insinuation of sexual contact. And does that just sort of fill in more blanks? Oh, like that, because they do have their like sex scene in the movie.

We know she's got sex. Post-coital sort of cuddle scene. We know she's got arms. You see that she has arms and we see that she has a neck and I believe we don't know that they've both got the whole package clavicle as well

I think the sheet is down low enough that we see that that exists there's the part there is the part where they're all the so they're confronting Dom Toretto and he's in his famous Dodge Charger and they're all and he's like he's trying to get away from them and it's like it's really sad because it's like all of his

former friends his former team are now having to like team up to try and take him down so it's kind of like really conflicting to watch that and you really see it in the performance they're all giving incredible performances and they're all kind of like their cars are all surrounded surrounding um dom and so they all like latch their cars on they like harpoon their cars and there's a moment where they're flashing between each person and everyone's kind of like slamming they're trying to like pull the car apart basically hold him in place so that he doesn't get away. He doesn't escape. And they're cutting in between each person in their car and they cut to,

um, they cut to Michelle Rodriguez and she is trying to like reverse her car, put it into gear. And they, um, they're like cutting back and forth and they show her and she's like gassing and she's having a hard time so she to shift into a lower gear she pulls out her pussy and she grabs the the stick and she shifts it and so they show her pussy in that part and they show it

it's prehensile it's pre the lips are prehensile they it's almost like the way that like a cuttlefish how cuttlefish and squid they have their basic tentacles and then they have the longer more prehensile to like tentacles that they use as more like hunting they like shoot out okay it's kind of her labia Menorah Her inner labia Are prehensile And they grab onto the shift I cannot believe In eight viewings of this movie I've missed it

It's a single frame Blink and miss it but they put it in Just like have you seen how fast cuttlefish and squid are When they shoot their tentacles out to grab fish I have seen i have seen that i haven't seen michelle rodriguez's pussy in f8 but i have seen that well that's because it's faster than that yeah wow and does she do that or is that a stunt was that her acting or is that a stunt person or cgi maybe or was it a um did she have a pussy double do you think because there's interesting financial ramifications for that i think when stars are shifting gears with their own pussy or if they're

getting someone else what's up in for it's like obviously i don't blame an actor if they don't feel comfortable doing it and they want to hire a double. But also I think it's like when I do see an actor do it themselves, I'm like, you know, that big props to them. It's brave to put yourself out there that way. Like again, body doubles,

use them if you're not comfortable doing that. But I just think it's awesome that she chose to like show her real pussy and grab the thing with her pussy in the movie. And it's a real pussy for sure. Very cool. You know, you actually really, um, I underestimated how much attention you were paying the movie it's um you know in between but based on everything you've said you see you might you seem to think i'm like really stupid no no i i found myself there hasn't been any question of your intelligence today

solely to the attention that you were giving the movie which i i look i'm in guy's boat it didn't look like a person who was fully engaged with what was happening on film but we were wrong you were busy looking after us as well which is something i found out after the fact well it was it was um it's kind of one of those things where you're like, it's like, I don't know. You have empathy, so you can imagine. You ever feel like. I can imagine him. You know how like women talk about like when they're walking on the street at night and then they like, they hear that someone's walking behind them.

And so they feel like they kind of have to like be like, okay. But like, and it doesn't matter. It's like, you know, you tell yourself nothing bad's going to happen to you. Nothing bad's going to happen to you. Nothing bad's going to happen to you. But there's just like that built in fear based on our society of like what men are capable of. I felt that exact same feeling while I was watching this movie with you two sitting kind of behind me. Oh, no.

I was like, what are they going to do? Oh, yikes. Because again, I look back and the look on your face was like a lot of times the movie was playing and guy was just like looking down at his knees people um most people won't be able to see what's happening visually so my attempt at describing it is just a face devoid of any expression or emotion whatsoever. Like a jaw slightly, just barely slacked, eyes at half mass, eyelids at half mass, a gaze down toward the floor.

And we were behind you giving that, that's awful. That made me think of like when Trump was behind Hillary Clinton on that debate stage. There'd be an apt comparison. Skulking around. I think he was probably looking at her thong. I have insider information that that she was wearing her pantsuit actually was

had a back cut out where you could see their skin and the pants dipped really low Hillary Clinton? that's kind of freaking sexy and she had a thong on pulled high Pam Anderson Baywatch style oh in 2016 above the

pen line yeah yeah wow that's nice and they don't want to they they're like hillary's emails pizzagate yada yada they don't talk about her being she knew what she was doing that's a psyop she's trying to get in his head by being like, you ever seen something like this before, Mr. Trump? She's saying you can't have this or do you want this? I think she's leaving it up to him to decide. Wow. Which is so scary what women are capable of and that's why we're not ready for a woman president.

Truer words never spoken. It's nice to finally have someone on the podcast who has the guts to call it exactly how they see it. I'm just tired of being a sheep in this world. Petty, we've got a recurring segment on the podcast called The Shining Light because with the movies that we watch traditionally, they're pretty not great films.

because with the movies that we watch traditionally, they're pretty not great films. So we like to burst through the ocean of negativity by having something that is positive that we actually enjoyed about that specific screening of that specific movie. If you would like, we're happy to go first, or if you have something that spoke to you from this movie, a moment, a beat a character a line that you were like that's good i i know what i have to say but i want to hear

what you guys have to say well i i said it out loud when it happened uh it's at the very start the handsome cousin they're framing up for the race and there's the sort of debt collector and vin is squaring off and michelle rodriguez says something and then uh she says something in spanish and then the debt collector says something in spanish back and then vin diesel sort of arcs up because he's he's a traditional alpha dog who you know a woman cannot stand up for herself and he sort of muscles in and then she smiles because she's seen this play out before and she, now you're going to have a problem. And I like the line read.

I like everything it says about their relationship in the movie. I like how much faith Leti has in Dom. I just thought it was, I like the acting and I liked it as a piece of storytelling inside of the film. It really spoke to me. Interesting. That's really nice. And there's more of that to come for you on your journey of watching these movies. It'll be very pleasantly surprised.

There's only more. Very traditional gender roles playing out on the silver screen. I liked Rhodes, but I think I might have already had him as a shining light for me. You've been a big Rhodes guy for a very long time. He was a real boy in an ocean of despair for me today because I think... B-U-O-Y, by the way. B-U-O-Y. Boy.

A buoy. Depending on where you're from. How do you say it? A buoy Like in the ocean Yeah It makes more sense Because it's such a different thing

And it's spelt differently Why would it be Said the same way? Deferring to American pronunciation But also Buoy is not how it's spelt Either It should be like

Buoy Buoy Sounds ridiculous Buoy Buoy it's spelt either it should be like boy boy sounds ridiculous boy boy i will say earlier you mentioned deadpool and i liked the way your accent sounded saying deadpool deadpool oh yeah because of the o's yeah it's it's different do you know what i was really cognizant of coming in today is that in the Kiwi accent, and I have this very badly, we often pronounce T's as D's. And your name is Patty. Patty.

And now I'm over enunciating it. But my default would be like Patty. I don't care. Why? Is that because Pat with two D's it's masculine? Because I'm transgender, you're worried that I'm going to think you're misgendering me or something? That wasn't where I went with it. I've got a joke for exactly this.

It's a street joke, but it's how did the butcher introduce his wife? Meet Patty. Yeah. Yeah, nice. That's good gear. You guys can have that. How did the butcher introduce his wife? How?

Meet Patty. How did the butcher introduce his wife? How? How? He fish hook her in her fucking mouth he said get in here you fucking stupid bitch come meet come meet my co-workers you stupid fucking bitch it's a powerful way to introduce people and what I think a butcher would do because they're powerful people. Slaughtering animals all day.

Well, they have the cleaver. Hell yeah. And that ability. Where do you think when they're so good at that in the meat shop, that action? Because when they're at home, they're on their wife and they're gone. Dang. Developing those butcher muscles. Meat patty.

That's a lot. Butchers work backwards from being abusive husbands. Do you think that's how they get into butchery? I could get paid for this. This is a waste of an applied skill set. I think Paddy's like, wait, before you do it one more time, just think of how much more happy you'd be if you were putting that skill into a vocation yeah

making a living wow and he still treats it that way that's and finally some relief yeah it's upsetting makes me think of that butcher jesse plemons and um in fargo one of the seasons i don't watch a show yeah jesse plemons the actor yeah he's acting against kirsten dunst i think it's how they met i think it's against you yeah well you know with her alongside is that is that a common like turn of phrase to in new zealand to be like yeah yeah but i think it's not um it was competitive i always look at it like visually or like interpret it visually you're acting against someone so someone's like on the opposite side of you an opposite side of a conversation also sort of spiritually i'd say in this episode tim and i are podcasting against you yeah

yeah i feel that well i think it's kind of unfortunately the composition of the room is that you two are on a couch and then I'm in like a chair in the hotel flat. I felt incredibly therapized when you were sitting in your comfortable chair and I was literally on a couch while there was sort of some quite intelligent diagnosis, I think, of what I'm doing to myself with the podcast. No, you go ahead, Paddy. I was just going to say I don't think what I could, what anything that I said could really be considered therapising because I think I have too much of a point of view.

I'm infusing too much of it with my opinion, which is not necessarily the practice of a good therapist. No, that's the best therapy. Bad therapy is like, I'm hearing you're saying this. Great therapy is you need to do this. You need to cut this person out of your life. You need to tell your boss to shove it. You need to go to the gym.

You need to keep watching Wally as a reminder to not eat those foods. Is that what your therapist is like? Do you have a therapist? No, but I'm hoping to find one like that. Do you think Tim should cut me out of his life, Patty? Here's the thing. No. You two seem to be close friends

and you have a rapport that's really wonderful and you seem to have a lot of fun and feel comfort and safety with each other. Let's just be mindful of when safety crosses over into being enabling and it seems so far you've only enabled each other into being semi-unhealthy in a way that only functions to be harmful directly to you most of the time but now i've been brought into this orbit and from what i

understand david o'doherty is being brought into that orbit just late just moments after this do you feel like injured by proximity to what we've created i'm not injured but i'm changed oh wow positively or negatively or is it sort of outside of that spectrum it's too soon soon to tell. Okay. Well, this has left a mark. Return to my original question was, was there a bit of the film that you enjoyed? Before you do that, Tim.

Oh, you skirted around outlining what you enjoyed. It was just Connor Rhodes. Oh, you just, no, no, no,

you've done Connor Rhodes. You've got to do something new. Okay. Yeah, he'd get his ass. Well, I, I've never...

I really like seeing Roman skidding across the ice on the door. I think it's a cool thing. It's like a bit of extreme sports in the movie that gets inserted to kind of service that section of the audience that might have grown up with the X Games or whatever. You think he's dead because he's in a Maserati? What is he in a Lambo? Sorry, I'm asking.

I should ask the car expert. Well, Guy was on it. What is it? He's in an orange Lamborghini. Oh, Lambo. That's right. Lamborghini Mercy. And everyone's mocking him because it's skidding

and skating around because he picked the flashy car instead of the appropriate car for the conditions in Russia. And then the ice breaks. He sinks. We all think he's died. Ludacris shoots a harpoon into the Lambo, dragging him through the icy water where he's trapped

underneath the surface of it. A situation where you would presume someone would die. And we all think he has died. And then we hold our breath and then crashing up out of the surface of the ice and water, a door appears with Roman holding on for dear life and he skids across like a toboggan and it's pretty cool.

And then he immediately murders four people. He shoots four people to death. Yeah. And I think the line, the little quip he has is, I'm sick of this. It's something my ass. Yeah, number 11, my ass. Because he found he was 11th on Interpol's most wanted list.

And he thinks he deserves a higher ranking. And so by murdering four Russian separatists who we don't even know their standing relative to anyone's government. Is that my phone? I think that is that the alarm that you said? No, that's an independent alarm, but we are just about to wrap up

and you're not getting out of here, Patty, without telling us what specifically you enjoyed from our film, our film. Well our film well i you know the door stuff there is there is a lot of door stuff that was interesting to see that like felt um i guess that's more of a criticism because i was about to say it felt like there was too much door stuff um but they didn't have someone to do door pass so i'm actually not going to veer down that way anymore i'm sorry i'm not answering your question and i'm wasting time um i we talked about it a little earlier but i think something that I appreciate about all of the Fast and Furious movies is the,

the grandiosity of the action sequences and like the technical, like just like how insane some of the stunts are, even though there is a lot of computer animation, some of the stuff that they shoot it just had it's like we are we are so just kind of bludgeoned i think with action movies and stuff that you get jaded when like like the scene where the guy drives the car onto the moving plane it's like you've seen that so many times in a movie that it doesn't register as like it's just like in a scene if someone's like walking into a door and setting down their car keys is like the

same reaction i have to someone like driving a car out of a moving plane yeah like and then there's like a they jump out of the car and they're like parachuting it's like you've just seen it so many times but some of the ways that they film the driving sequences is so cool and i would just feel like it would be crazy to like how it'd be crazy to see how they coordinate that stuff it just feels so dangerous at one point you were describing the cars as like um bodies in a kung fu film it was quite beautiful i agreed yeah and and boy even bodies in a porn. Yeah. Well, yeah, the scene where the car's fucked, it felt a lot like that. Yeah, the muffler bent.

Yeah. And distended. Yeah, yeah. And went into... The spoiler. Michelle. Oh, that's right. Oh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. That might be from an earlier one that we haven't seen yet. I don't think that was in this film. I like the idea of using cars. Because we've, I think on the podcast, hopefully, otherwise I've had a really weird conversation out of context about this, but people who have sex with cars. Is it like mecha-philia or something? What is it like mecca mecca philia or something

yeah there's yeah or like auto auto sexuals yeah um but instead of that like just removing the whole human element from it and having a porn movie that is its car it's like disney's cars but a porno you know what i mean so they're all just cars like humans aren't a part of it i'd love to see you know like a little thumbnail if you're on one of those dirty websites where it's like lightning mcqueen you know with a big cock coming out of underneath his chassis i mean i didn't originally want them to be um anthropomorphized at all but now i think that would be pretty fun actually i just so did you say blightman queen with a big cock coming out from under his chest or his chassis his chassis his chassis so what i i do

think it would be fascinating is that i really felt like when the movie cars came out it was a surprising and felt like intentionally subversive choice to make the windshield, the eyes and not the head headlights, the eyes. And I feel like they would maybe follow that mindset when placing the cock or the pussy on the asshole where, you know, most people would assume that the muffler is the,

but do you think they would do something like the trunk is the ass or the pussy? To be consistent with how they've started off with the biology of how these cars work i think maybe they've made the um hinge for the front door that's the pussy often the issue is um the hinge for the which one so it's asymmetrical it's asymmetrical yeah because they're cars they're not people the issue is that a lot of the time the people who are animating the pornos aren't, you know, they're not the ones who came up with the original designs. So it's difficult for the people who are making the R18 versions of these.

Imagine if all, because I think like we just... Did you say R18? Yeah, I described porn films as R18. What is that? Rated R18 17 in 364 days I can't remember what it's called What's the American rating system

If you have to be 18 to see a movie Rated R Rated R isn't pornographic Rated X is pornographic And there's movies that are NC-17. Which is, rated R movies, you can be under 18. Or if you're with a parent. And then NC-17 technically, I think the MPAA rating for it used to be that you could not be under 17.

Like even if you were with your parent, you had to be above 17 years old to see the movie. For which ones? For X? For NC-17. And that's like a movie with like explicit sexual. Usually it's just for sex. So how hardcore does something need to be to be? So there's NC-17 and you have to be 17 to see that.

Guardians, irrelevant. But then there's X as well. Rated X is porn. As soon as you put a you know a pussy on a door hinge that's x i was wondering if because like i feel we limit ourselves so much when we um sort of put our own conditioning onto objects that aren't human or even traditionally animal that maybe these cars could be like all of them are hermaphroditic. So they have like a pussy on one side and a cock and balls on the other. And that's how it's sort of,

cause you really raised an eyebrow thinking about the logistics of an asymmetrical sexual organ on the car. But what if there was like one on each hinge? Is that anything patty well i do have to ask hermaphroditic i feel um i'm not even sure if that's a word is that i think it is um if then then i feel like that suggests like more like what, what is, what's like the mating cycle for the car than if it has both parts, is it purely for sexual?

Often they are aligned perfectly. So the cars can get up on their hind wheels and drive directly towards each other. And they're both experiencing sexual pleasure from both respective organs. Well, wait. So, but wait, but no. I think, Tim, you were saying that the pussy's on one side, that cock and balls is on the other.

So it's the left and the right side of the car. It's not the back or the front. Yeah. So I don't think any mounting is happening. I think they're actually parking side by side. It's like a roller. When you eat at like a place's like a roll when you eat at like a place that has like roller skating where they skate up to the car and they put the little

thing on the side of the door that's kind of where the it would flop out yeah i mean i i feel this is as good a place as any to end uh i suppose meditation on um fate of the furious it's been a journey to get through all eight of those films and i speak you know on the ongoing mission of getting through the entire franchise with great excitement about our next screening and patty it's been genuinely incredibly insightful and by turns um quite absurd having you join us for this conversation. So thank you. Before you do your big close, I have to ask each of you after eight viewings of this movie, what is the message that you've taken,

the one takeaway from the message of the film? The message that the movie wants you to think that this whole franchise is about? Just the eighth movie. The message they want you to think that this whole franchise is about. Just the ETH movie. The message they want you to think that it's about is family. But that's not correct. You can't just say the word family a bunch of times and then retrospectively say, look, that's what we told you this movie franchise is about because it's a tack on.

What this is really about is cars and the petrodollar and i think the american empire's stranglehold culturally financially militarily over the world and i just think there's so many examples of it peppered throughout the two films we've seen so far i I'm looking forward to seeing more cinematic examples of American hegemony. And I think that's the real message of the fate of the furious because it's the fate of the world.

We are fated to all live under the watchful eye of Uncle Sam. I think it's about how Charlize Theron has lost her pussy. And she's furious. Yeah, she's grown dreadlocks about it. Well, Patty, thank you so much. Have you got anything coming out

that you'd like people to look forward to or towards or at? Yeah, I've got some allegations against me coming out. Well, keep an eye out for those. Thank you so much for joining us and we'll see you next week for Fast 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1