The Worst Idea Of All Time - 22: Multi-Facial

Episode Date: June 2, 2023

Tim and Guy unite to discuss the value of their podcast (described as a total waste of time by Tim) vs the value of the Fast and the Furious franchise. Tim has been researching the life arc and career of Vin Diesel while Guy has somewhat landed back on planet earth after last weeks euphoric screening. The soundtrack is finally given a moment of celebration and we even share some red hot audio from the movie itself.If you're in NZ - see Guy live! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Musik 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 Skip, skip, skip to my loo, skip, skip, skip to my loo, skip, skip, skip to my loo, skip to my loo, my darling Hello and welcome to the wickedly talented Furious 7 A movie from the latter part of the Fast and Furious franchise as it exists at the present moment. We've got some missing pieces, actually. My name's Tim Batt. My name's Guy Montgomery. The name of this podcast is The Worst Idea of All Time, and we're so glad that you could be here.

Are you talking to the listener, or are you talking to me? Are you representing a collective who are saying to Guy, we're so glad that you could be here? The listener and I are so glad that so glad that you could be here. The listener and I are so glad that Guy, you could be here. Well, can I say on behalf of myself and the listener, it's a pleasure to have your company too. Oh, that's good to hear. And to the listener, on behalf of Tim and I, we are so glad that you can be here. Rufus is also here eating random detritus, garage detritus.

He's indifferent. He's indifferent to all of our presents. He loves you. Rufus does. Do you think dogs love their owner? Yeah, I think so. A version of it for sure. Yes.

Actually, I think it's probably quite similar to a kind of loyal human love, familial love. Do you think cats love their owners? I mean, based on everything I've heard, no. It seems like they don't. Not like dogs. I think cats have their own way. Cats have their own version of connection, but I don't think it's the same as doggies.

It's funny, isn't it? I mean, I don't really believe in viewing the world as binary, but as I grow older, I do see that you do have your cat people and your dog people. Yeah. And they both believe.

The two genders. Yeah. They both believe that their animal is superior and their relationship is more unique. That's why everyone goes so crazy about how you've got to, if you're a dog person, you've got to use that bathroom. If you're a cat person, you've got to use that bathroom. I say, can't we just have one bathroom, guys?

What are you guys doing in there? Well. This is crazy crazy-making stuff. As someone who uses the cat bathroom, and formerly used the dog bathroom, it's the same stuff. Well, there you go. Demystified for everyone. Shits and pisses. The Guy Montgomery story.

Shits and pisses. Hits and misses. Is this a hit or a miss, this movie, Furious 7? Well, I feel like last time I saw it, it was a hit or a miss this movie furious seven well i feel like last time i saw it it was a hit uh yeah you were you were over the moon watching this it was a hit in an altogether unfamiliar and exciting way this is our fifth screening of fast seven which before i even discuss the movie itself um excites me somewhat in that it's still a lot of times to watch one movie seven times yeah five times even is quite a few yes but like i i like the way that we've stacked it the workloads are becoming more manageable uh today's screening i don't like hearing that

okay that it's more manageable you know I mean this is This actually This is our Cat person Versus dog person Yes it is Essence of man conversation Yeah Whereby you are convinced

For this Or Not any creation I suppose Any artistic creation Any endeavour No not all but This endeavour Yeah

Is built On the foundation Of Misery really Yes and i believe that between us we are capable of greatness through the medium of enjoying ourselves we'll never know uh but so i i did think wow i can't believe i have to watch this movie two more times and i did think this is a watchable movie but i did also think i wish i was um i wish i was where i was at last week imagine for a moment if we were watching fast nine because it would be for the 17 plus 5 23rd time imagine that i did i did think about that i don't think it renders orally or even visually for those Plus five. 23rd time. Imagine that. I did. I did.

Think about that. I don't think it renders orally or even visually for those of us on the sub stack. But I felt nauseous. Today? Just now. Oh, that thought. Literally, the visualization game you just created for us. Yes.

us um even the the thought of watching it again once made me feel um like really fearful uh quite panicked um i i couldn't i couldn't i couldn't do that you had a real physiological response there's a reason we're not doing it fight or flight uh flight of flight you You run away. I mean, I'm flight, I think. I'm flight anyway. But in this instance, I cannot fly hard and fast enough. Yeah. What about you? I mean, first of all,

you were probably not where I was at last week. No. Physically or mentally. Quite obviously. Tell me about your feelings after seeing this movie for the fifth time. The thing that just kept going through my head of all of this watch was What a tremendous waste of time this whole thing is The whole podcast

That's the thing that I keep thinking about What a tremendous waste of time Whose time? Mine that I keep thinking about. What a tremendous waste of time. Whose time? Mine. All of these movies are so long that we watch. We Are Your Friends was the closest we had to like a short movie, I think. I actually meant to take a photo of my YouTube movie purchases of the last three Fast and Furious movies

and We Are Your Friends. And you had to buy at least one of those a couple of times, right? Yeah, yeah. But that's it. Oh, and Spellbound. When I was doing research for Spellingbird, I bought the Spellbound documentary.

Hey, that movie's real good. I remember seeing it at the cinema at the Dockfest years ago. That would be years and years ago. Yeah, I mean, that movie is good. I can still remember that little boy who was kind of made out to be the star. I'd like to circle back. It's a waste of your time, you say.

Oh, okay. Do you think it's a waste of my time? Yeah, I do. Well, yeah, I do. It would be quite, I think, mean. This is sort of what i'm driving at um do you whose time do you value more out of our respective times well mine but that's because i am me that is a refreshing way of putting it i think that you should respect your time more than you

respect mine we We should have respect for one another's time, but I think on the priorities of things, you should be respecting your own time the most. Well, you know, Tim. Don't you think? Well, I think that for two hours and twenty minutes every week for the past I don't know, nine plus

eight plus five weeks, we've not been doing that. We've not been respecting our or each other's time yeah that's true do you do you consider this to be a waste of the listener's time uh well that's always my fear that's always the fear however i hasten to add it's a very different thing for them because they don't have to watch the movie no in fact our sole libertarian listener and thank you so much for continuing to listen to this you just get the output which is still i think in a lot of people's you know if you ask joe punter on the street you gave them the rundown and said does this sound like a waste of time

they'll probably say yes on average but it's not as big a waste of time as what we're doing well what okay what is what what makes it worthy or mean, to use the same measurables, let's consider the Fast and the Furious films, which obviously have a far greater reach and connection point than our podcast. You know, to one person watching that would be a waste of time. To another person, that would be a worthy

two hours and 20 minutes. Like Joseph Moore, for example. Exactly. So do you think that the – in the same way you think our podcast could be considered a waste of time, do you think the Fast and the Furious franchise could be considered a waste of time? That I am not willing to concede.

I think it is demonstrated by its popularity, profitability, seed i think it is demonstrated by its popularity profitability and cultural resonance that it is not a waste of time as a thing so and what's the value that you prioritize there is it the resonance the cultural resonance is what makes it of value i think you measure unfortunately in film you measure that in money so sort of profitability and cultural resonance while not you know uh interchangeable have a big operate in tandem here's what i wanted to get into if i may if i may may i because if you want to keep going on this no no no and it's sort of connected but i last night the youtube algorithm offered me up um someone's video essay about vin diesel in fact it might have started auto playing while i was doing my taxes and what i learned in this 14 minute uh 14 minutes story it's not short no they just play

out man i've got complicated taxes is it um is someone talking to camera no it's all voiceover and it's like clips of them uh red carpets how young how young did you see vin real young and some of them so here's the thing man here's the fucking thing so vin diesel right you know i think i had this idea in my head that he was you know a bouncer uh and and can i tell you a rhyme i just thought of i was trying to remember the gross name i came up for for vin diesel but i couldn't come vincent's come oh something it was like a name for him yeah but all i came up with then yeah it was again it's very cummy but it was um vin diesel come weasel vin diesel yeah that's good that sticks it's not bad anyway Anyway, you've got a young Vin Diesel. Yeah, so his story was, which I didn't realize. Good news, everyone.

A courier has arrived. There's a package. Who do you think it's for? I actually better sign for that because they keep leaving. Hold on. That's all right. Watch this space. Yeah, yeah.

While Tim and Rufus deal with the intruder, I would like all of you at home to place a wager on whether or not you think this package is for tim or his wife dr zoe um i feel like they probably both get a similar amount of packages i've been with tim before and he gets packages but i think zoe you know zoe's not afraid of a package either i'm gonna say this say this one's for Tim. Now, at our house, if you're asking if it's Chelsea or Guy's package, you'd be saying nine times out of ten, that's a Chelsea package. The only time I actually think to buy something that arrives in a package is usually after Chelsea's received nine packages,

and I'm jealous that I never get anything in the mail. Except Bill's. Who is the package for? This fucking guy. I'm sorry for that. Well, I hope... I wish it was for you, guy. Hey, thanks, Tim.

But it wasn't. It was for... Zoe. Oh, I lost. Yeah, you did. Who gets more packages? Zoe. Yeah.

By what ratio? Well, it depends. It depends. At the moment, I'm on a tear. I've ordered so much stuff. Have you? I'm waiting to get delivered.

Yeah. I'm setting someone else's podcast studio up. I see. I see. So I'm getting all the little bits from all over the shop. Lovely. We've got a young Vincenzo Cumweasel. Yeah, exactly, man.

He had two parents who were like artists and his dad was an acting teacher. Oh. And I think his mom might have been a painter. So he grew up in this environment of artistic pursuit from day one. And I think he really wanted to be an actor, and sort of the thesis of this little essay, the video essay that someone had made about his life, was that early on in his career he was sort of

racially ambiguous in his look uh in a way where it constantly made him miss out on roles and he was sort of always between these character types of like he was a big guy but he sort of wanted to play um he he got cast for example in uh sort of characters to play, he got cast, for example, in sort of characters that were racial stereotypes of ethnicities that I don't think he even is a part of and felt very uncomfortable about it. This led to him writing in one night his own short film called Multifacet, I think it's called.

And he went and made it, and it's the story of a racially ambiguous actor having trouble getting like roles that he actually wants I've got nothing but respect for this story so far right featuring two monologues one that he gives um is I think he gets cast as sort of this Italian stereotype uh and and has to portray that and doesn't feel very comfortable about it and then there's another monologue why you not oh here he is uh which is like a very sort of sensitive portrayal of a more uh close to home i think um you know character to vin as a person yeah

and uh so he made that released it at like maybe Sundance or something it got into. And that's how Steven Spielberg discovered him to put him in Saving Private Ryan, which was his first on-screen big movie role. So Saving Private Ryan and the Iron Giant came out, I think, within a year of each other. And I think Iron Giant was first, where he voiced the big robot. Yeah. And two massive films. Yeah. Like Saving Private Ryan's quite legendary.

Yeah, yeah. So that was, yeah. And I was just like, then I felt like a dick for all the shit that I've laid at the feet of this man. Who has desperately been trying to be treated seriously as an artist and an actor. Do you know what? Yeah. Both of these things can be true at once he he obviously you know it's a there is a um very interesting and quite inspiring uh sort of origin story i suppose for the version of vincenzo that we come up against now which is there's the artist is still in him obviously he likes to sing and he he's got his side projects totally recontextualized dom toredo for me though did it all of these moments because we know how much creative power he has on the series now as

one of the key producers there's you know like he's inserting sensitivity into this tough guy character or at the very least trying to, to give this kind of complicated portrayal of a tough man with a big heart. Does it, it makes you sort of, I mean, yeah, to me,

it's sort of a, it opens up the idea of a bigger question about like, you know, every, every, so every great actor or you know musician or all these people who say you grow up and they are already a star or by the time you discover them they're already super established possibly even their stars on the wane or like the

creative value of what they're putting out into the world is no longer regarded with the same uh enthusiasm or excitement as their original art. Like every, that is, you know, that's just the, it's the journey for every artist. And like, you know, what I wonder about Vin is, you say he's a creator and he's an artist and he's got a lot of control over these and whether or not, you know, inside of, because then there's inside of some artists,

they've also got like a huge um you know a commercial drive i guess or like well they're like okay obviously i've found a point of connection with people yeah so how do i exploit this let's for argument's sake call this type of person the rock because it's kind of like they maybe lack a little flesh and blood they're a little more cold-hearted so we'll call them for argument's sake, The Rock. Okay, and is that a reference to The Rock or that it's just because of the rock-like qualities of this hypothetical person?

Oh, no, I didn't even think of that. That didn't even cross my mind. What a crazy coincidence. Yeah, huge. Yeah, I mean, you know, has Vin Diesel ever been on WTF with Marc Maron? Fucking good question I'd love to give it a listen

Marc, yeah I don't know if he does Pogs? I don't know I don't know if he does long form interviews What are you But I was seeing little clips of him Like early on in Letterman and stuff

And you could tell this was a man Who was so satisfied and happy That he'd finally start to make it This inspires me To do a bit of a um deep dive on on youtube also maybe of paul walker who uh i'm loving more and more oh man i i was going to say well that's sad but actually for us it's kind of okay because we're going yeah the emotional intensity of the closing sequence. Even if, like today, the movie was kind of happening to me,

it was a bit of a challenge for me. But as soon as... It's those shots that pull away, eh? From each character, they'll have like a just front-on shot and you see Leti and then the camera pulls away from her and they do it with everyone. It's powerful stuff. It feels like Paul Walker walker's spirit you know

floating away that song created for the moment in the movie um incredible i was actually reading a little on screen rant oh please about uh just the way in which the story had to change because they had obviously they were halfway through production when he uh passed was it that i thought they were like at the end, toward the end. Well, they hadn't rapped or anything. They hadn't rapped, you know, and they were going to shit can it. But they'd filmed a lot of, they'd filmed like his scene where he sees Dom. You know, they'd covered off a lot of that.

And so, and obviously killing him or like, you know, Brian dying in the world of the movie was a bit on the nose and a bit too heavy handed. So I was trying to sort of, I guess, recontextualize the franchise's relationship to him in Fast 8 and 9. Like it's in Fast 9 when Mia appears again. And is Mia in Fast 8? Mia's not in Fast 8.

And is Mia in Fast 8? Mia's not in Fast 8 No wait a minute When they're in the bunker The bunker's in Fast 9 That's with John Cena Fuck you're right And because she arrives And he says

Mia what are you doing here? And Brian's with the kids And Mia's like I need to be here Mia's not at all is she? Yeah We really should know This is the other struggle.

We should know this. And because they didn't, they don't really, you know, like Cypher, who we are like, is a big part of the Fast universe. And I remember Joseph laughing at us, at me especially, being like, oh, the villain's Cypher. And he's like, you think Cypher's a big deal? Cypher's not shit.

Like Cypher's not really, God's eye is planted in Fast 7. And that's sort of the feature of what, that's what drives Cypher in Fast 8. Yeah. But Cypher's not really, God's eye is planted in Fast 7, and that's sort of the feature of, that's what drives Cypher in Fast 8. Yeah. But Cypher's not teased out. There's no knowledge. Moses kind of occupies a similar space, and I don't think we've mentioned him twice

on this whole podcast yet. But I think what was going to happen is there was a, the ending was, in terms of storytelling, was similar, but it was more going to be an open-ended question of whether or not Brian would still be a part of the family in terms of teaming up and saving the world. Because he learned in Fast 7 that his true commitment is to his family, his growing brood.

And so instead of it being an open-ended question, they just closed the question and said, this is what his priority is Brian Right His family Oh so So did they explain that that tension was going to remain

Of like domestic life versus Yeah yeah that was Chasing cars But you know but obviously So obviously that means that when you get to far state You can be like oh Brian's not going to come And then you create a problem that requires Brian

and then Brian comes. But instead, you know, they never get Brian. I guess that does explain a little bit more why his car pulls up at a barbecue.

And Fast 9, that's why there's that YouTube comment with the person who gets wet eyes when they see this. Yeah, wet eyes. And, you know, I wonder if we watched them

in order, whether or not we too might get wet eyes. We get wet eyes watching the montage right now. So I'd say probably yes. I do get misty eyes. That's the right way to put that, by the way.

If you want to describe the onset of tears by virtue of having an emotional response to something, wet eyes just isn't quite right. I think it's actually better. I think it's a more direct description. I think Misty Eye is a little bit wanky. It's a bit sort of esoteric. It's poetic. Yeah, but it's not necessary.

You're not describing the baseline biological experience. You don't cry mist. You cry wet. You heard it here first, folks. I don't know if that's quite what I wanted to say. There was something else. I'm trying to circle back. There was something else I wanted to bring up about my screening of Fast 7 today.

It's just out of reach. I will say I have a shining light that I might as well, while I'm trying to reach for this uh memory further back in my mind i might as well share with you oh sure if you're interested i actually am that's good this just in guy i want to hear what your shining light is i well shining light first of all it's a shining light this isn't a shining light but it's a moment i would like to give credit to which is when dom arrives in to Tokyo, which is quite early in the film, we've both been responsible for hanging a bit of shit on the soundtracking to this movie.

And actually, that song, which was commissioned for it, the See You Again, Wiz Khalifa and Charlie Puth, that's part of what makes me wet-eyed. Is that Wiz Khalifa from The Towers? It makes sense. It makes perfect sense. Yeah, it's all very neat and tidy um but i've always been quite harsh on the soundtracking of these films but there is a song there's a dj shadow song that plays in the background i think it's a remix when dom arrives

in uh tokyo and like it's the only time really i can think of in the movie when there's a song there's a song playing. I think I want to turn it up and hear the song. Like nearly every time I'm like, no, not the, not like the, you know, but in this instance, I was like, wow. And so this isn't the shining light, but I just do have to give credit to the film. Let's acknowledge the one good bit of soundtrack. Well, it's not even, you know, it's probably not fair just for a piece of soundtrack that aligns with my own personal taste.

Look at us mealy-mouthed fucks trying to find some nice things to say about the movie. What my shining light was is when Roman is doing the birthday routine, which is obviously, I don't know if it's happened on camera in the Fast Universe, but the way that Ludacris... Get this, cats. We're in the Wiz Khalifa Towers And everyone's got a special job Ludacris needs to hack with Ramsey The system so that we can get access

To the beast The car The hypercar Which is in a locked room And the people who are going to go And get to the beast Paul Walker and Vin Diesel That's right

There's only seven of these cars That exist in the world And Ramsey's friend Fuck Dang it I keep wanting to say Ramesh There's only seven of these cars that exist in the world And Ramsey's friend Fuck Dang it I keep wanting to say Ramesh That's not it But it's very close

I don't know I've never even thought that character has a name They say it a few times And he's awesome Good on them And good on him He gets God's eye Two towers

No good Three hours A pleasure Yeah yeah yeah He's like I got you an invitation to the hottest party in town, and how do you repay me? You crash the host's car out of two towers, and then fucking Paul Walker's little cheeky little lasso.

There's three towers. Oh, my mistake. Yeah, yeah. Two towers, no good. Three towers, my honor. Yeah. Fantastic. You like like it he's funny yeah but and sorry i know we're in the like a tangent of a tangent but there was a fucking

line and i wrote down the time code because i was actually going to try and isolate the audio and play it for you on this sorry didn't get there yeah i was setting up some other stuff what does that guy say when roman and uh and and tej are like fighting over ramsay when she's coming out of the water in slow motion and he he oh wait no sorry maybe it's a no it is that same yeah and he comes this is his first appearance i think in the movie and he says something like i i tried my balls on ramsaysey And tried to call dibs It didn't work And I've tried so many times

To hone in on exactly What the fuck he's saying I even rewound it And I was looking for a caption button And there isn't On the version I've bought There's no captions On the Google TV one

Maybe on the YouTube one That I paid a little more for Well pull it up Because I've got the time code man Yeah it sounds good I'm so sorry I derailed. Not at all. But this is important to me.

I can still remember it. Your movies. Fast and the Furious. Sophia. Sophia. That's his name, Sophia. And what's the... Okay, an hour

and eight minutes and basically zero seconds. It's like just a little bit after an hour and eight. I know. It's a little bit before then. Here we go. Ramsey's coming out of the ocean. Okay, can you full screen and put captions on?

Yeah, you crushed it. There it is. Her name, my balls? What is he saying there? Here, I'll play the audio. Put the captions on too. I can't put the captions on. I got dibs on. You see me looking at that?

Did you just say dibs? What are you, in the fourth grade? Man, can you just get out of there? Man, it's a free market. What are you talking about? Get out of there. Free. Rock, paper, scissors, four.

Are you guys for real right now? Look at you. You both look whooped already. You've got stalker eyes. I tried to call dibs on Ramsey two years ago. Her knee, my balls. Trust me. You don't want to do that.

Her knee, my balls. Her knee. Oh! She kneed him in the balls. That's fucking great. All right. Sick. Thanks, man. No, it's fucking great. All right. Sick. Thanks, man.

No, it's a pleasure. Chemistry solved. I like when he's doing the birthday routine. Everyone's in cobs. Everyone's doing their jobs. And someone says, okay, Roman, it's time for you to do what you do, which is basically make a distraction. And he goes up to someone.

Shine brightly is the line from Tej. What's that? Shine brightly. Like only you can. He goes up to someone and is the line from tej and he says what's that shine brightly like only you can he goes up to someone and says your name's priscilla right it's your birthday and this woman's sort of confused and then you you cut back and we see tej and ramsay in their little room and he's oh not the birthday routine like the birthday routine he's seen this before it's a classic routine i don't know if we'll see it in the universe or not but then he starts making a big song and he takes t-pain's microphone off from t-pain's djing and he's like i need to take this he's like everybody's the birthday and the bit that was my shining light

is he sort of he's making a bit of a meal of it he's doing a lot but he starts singing happy birthday and he starts like really it's the sort of singing you do when you're at home by yourself and you're just playing around with your voice and you sort of what noises you can make and stuff and he does when he goes happy birthday to you it's like a goat's bleat kind of it's like an attempt at a yodel and it is like you know you want to talk about shining brightly like only you can the self-confidence to not only interrupt this huge party in a foreign you know in a new land where you don't know anyone yeah but to do it in a foreign, you know, in a new land where you don't know anyone. Yeah. But to do it in a way where you're also in a position to experiment with, you know, like you're,

you're so free inside of the moment that you're just playing around with your vocal range. And, uh, I just, I think this is seconds before Letty and Ronda Rousey fall off the balcony onto the piano. I just thought it was,

um, it's a great moment. It was neat. Yeah. It's memorable. It's very memorable That little note And you know that That was improv

Because there's no way To write that You've got to imagine Do you have a Yeah man For me today It was Vin Diesel Fighting Jason Statham

It just really fucking Spoke to me today Which fight? The main fight The second one The big fight The big fight At the end

Real blue tint Which has always been there Obviously But I didn't notice On the final kind of The main fight. The second one. The big fight. The big fight at the end. Real blue tint, which has always been there, obviously, but I didn't notice on the final kind of act of the movie when we've got all of the stuff with the drone and Moses is controlling God's eye and sending predator fucking drones out and massiling them and they're having to play hot potato with Ramsey while she's hacking them. Real blue tint.

Anyway, there's a real cool fight scene. You've seen it. You've seen it a couple times at this point. Between Dom Toretto and fucking Deckard Shaw. Yeah. Which begins, so this is in reference to an earlier scene in the movie. Where he says, you thought this was going to be a street fight? Yeah.

You're goddamn right it is. Because the first time it was Jason Statham saying that, seen in the movie but he says you thought this was going to be a street fight yeah you're god damn right it is because the first time it was Jason Statham saying that and he said you thought this was going to be a street fight

and then he pulls out a gun it ain't but this time Dom Toretto's in charge a man of honour yeah and it is a street fight and he's fighting

with two big spanners that's right just fucking automotive wrenches he's turned the explosives man into a metal bar man. Yeah, General Explosives pulls bits of metal off the car, which he's just crashed,

and so he's just got two big metal sticks, and they fucking go, almost literally hammering tongs at each other. That's pretty cool. It rules. It's a really good fight. It's a good fucking fight. I enjoyed Brian's Paul Walker's fight scenes with a parkour guy.

Yeah, you loved that, eh? I'm learning to enjoy them even more. And I actually also enjoyed the shot of when the bus is overhanging the cliff and Brian... The Italian job suspension. Yeah, and he gets out the cab... what is it called, the caddy? The front part of the bus and he's sort of like. Cab?

Yeah, the cab. And he's pulling himself up and he slips. And then you get like a great shot from, you know, the bird's eye view of him dangling by one arm and you see the share drop beneath him. And I kind of enjoyed that stunt. I'm trying to use what we're doing as a way of um admiring action stunts more or nice i guess maybe wrapping the my my head around a little bit more the technical

components of yeah what they're doing literally how do you get this shit done you know we so i read quite a lot about the hypercar which i've already forgotten the name of last time on wikipedia and they got a bunch of they got like 10 or maybe 12 models commissioned of it by, I think the company that makes them, but out of different materials. So it was way less expensive for them to keep crashing them. You know the bit when it does crash out of the Wiz Khalifa towers and then it falls on the ground? That bit looks fake, eh? When it does that little roll, it's like the weight isn't quite right.

Do you reckon that's CGI? I'd have to re-watch it to form a man it stuck out to me every time it rolls real weird it rolls weird

real low light for Timbo the physics on that fucking supercar falling out of the Wiz Khalifa towers I'm not buying it guys which I think speaks to how like good the rest of the movie

is in terms of actual sequences that you're willing to suspend it that one sticks out so much i did notice as well today um they force romans when they do the airplane the the the parachuting cars stunt when romans uh they they they hit the parachute on romans car which flies out the back of the plane sucks him out yes but then his car comes out his car's rolling really hard and i can't help but wonder like would that not entangle his car's like rolling like crazy would it not entangle the ropes that are connected to the parachute and possibly mangle you know everyone else doesn't hit their chute until they're less than a thousand

feet to the ground it's true they all wait very specifically to be quite close. I mean, he shows up a lot later, so obviously they're accounting for the fact that it's going to take longer for his car to get down because he's floating the whole way. But I just feel like the way it's rolling,

I'm like, I reckon that would fuck your parachute, bro. I think you're right. And I also think it looked cool and deserved to be in the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do you think that Fast 10's going to win any Oscars? We haven't seen it. You haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. I don't know a damn thing about it. Has a Fast movie ever won an Oscar? For, like, special effects? Doubt it.

It's a real hole, that, isn't it? Like, the Oscars... I'm not an expert. You know who is? Fucking Joseph Moore yeah seem to ignore true blockbuster

cinema they're trying to they're kind of trying to split the difference at the moment I feel like in an effort because the Oscars haven't been

their cultural reaches shrunk has a Marvel movie ever got oh maybe special effects probably oh I know that Wakanda Forever was nominated for Best Picture.

Oh, yeah, okay. Which was a breakthrough moment. That's huge. They do sort of do that thing where they, you know, all the little bittier ones that usually, like, a blockbuster would win for, like, special effects or stunts or whatever, they do in the ads, which is, you know. Yeah, they do now.

They didn't used to. It's savage, man. It's brutal. It is fucking brutal. There's a lovely little bit of narrative. It's a sports thing, but allow me. I'll allow it. The NBA draft.

So the best player in the NBA right now is a guy called Nikola Jokic, who's a, I believe he's Serbian. He's like, he came from Europe and he's like. Who's he play for? He plays for the Denver Nuggets. He's unbelievable. And he's got a lovely little... It's a very small moment in his origins.

He was drafted. He was going to be like a role player. No one realized that he was going to be the best player in the league. And when he got drafted, he got drafted with something like the 45th pick in the second round, which is quite late in terms of the draft, in NBA terms anyway. And they didn't play his draft pick.

He got drafted during a Taco Bell commercial for something called like a quesarito, which is like a fusion between the quesadilla and a burrito. And it's just this lovely detail that everyone talks about and remembers about. It's like the best player in the league. They didn't even show him getting drafted into the league. They instead showed like a one-week special offer from Taco Bell.

That's so good. Which is kind of what it feels like that you know is the same equivalent of disrespect that you know that gets bestowed on these different categories especially and thank goodness there's a little more awareness of this now but those visual effects artists they're working too really hard i would say yeah yeah probably too hard in fact i'm uh i've got a family member who's in the visual effects industry like severely in it yeah um for big hollywood movies and uh they're gonna send me a bit of merch for something which i want to leave for a little surprise okay but it's pretty cool uh you have my interest yeah it's pretty awesome uh shout out am Amanda if you're listening yeah big shout out to Amanda we love Amanda

and we love her work but how good they are and how much movies lean on them now I'm just flashing back to when I saw The Wizard of Oz for the first time

which was last year and it just knocked my that's a funny sentence it just knocked because that movie came out in the 30s yeah but like it knocked my socks off

you know I even if you haven't seen it yet to watch it now you still basically get the raw yeah emotional impact of what it was the first time because the first time it's in color but also you know it's fanciful but they don't have special you know like all of it is all of the it's all material like It's funny you mention that because this reminds me of his old fucking Jonathan. No, wait. What's his name? Christopher Nolan. His brother is Jonathan.

And I think in Oppenheimer, which is the movie I've been most excited to see for a couple of years. Did you see, what was the last one that people didn't like as much? Tenet. Yeah, I never saw Tenet because I saw like whatever I'm saying. I was like, yeah. But you love him. Yeah, I do. But I don't know.

Well, like, no, I don't really like. You run hot and cold on him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not universal appeal. Was he Dunkirk? Yeah. Dunkirk was good, I thought. Yeah, I really liked that.

But that seems odd to me. You're not a total completionist, but that's probably the only one of his you haven't seen. I don't know if that's true. But anyway, Oppenheimer has black and white IMAX in it. Like, they shot, and I think it's maybe the first time anyone's ever done that. Like, Kodak had to develop special film, special stock, for them to shoot black and white IMAX. And I'm hoping that the movie has a similar thing to The Wizard of Oz,

where it opens in black and white, and then you get maybe the bomb, the first test or something. And so that's when it goes into colour. I don't know. But I'm really looking forward to that movie. I just find the whole story of the Manhattan Project so fucking fascinating. Well, I actually don't know a huge amount about it. Neither do I.

I know this is not a very smart way to educate yourself, but I like being able to go to a movie where they're spoon-feeding me the story. And then by the end of it, I actually know as much as anyone about the thing. That's legit. Then I'll go that's legit then I'll go on the wiki page do you go do you get on wiki after you've seen something

oh yeah maybe after I've seen something I like I remember I have such strong memories of this working in a call centre in Sydney when I was 20 2008 I think

if you can believe it And just sitting on Wikipedia all day Yeah Just I don't know if it was like one of the few websites They hadn't blocked or something Or I just didn't have a good enough imagination To like go elsewhere

It would be both I mean Wikipedia It can hold you It can hold you It can really hold you And it also is Visually Put together in a way

Where if someone walks past at work It's not obvious that you're slaking off You know It's just a big wall of text And even if you Even if you are Like you don't You know you don't have to close down a Wikipedia page

Yeah If it's just at a glance You know you could be researching anything It could be relevant to what To you being on task Yeah Potentially It's like there's some of the websites.

I like to go on a website called theringer.com. I actually don't know what websites to go to. No one does anymore, man. Is that right? Yeah, they're all gone. Websites, I used to like love going on websites. I know, they're all gone now. Where do you go?

I go on Reddit. My lovely. I go on Reddit and it's better. And Reddit's sort of like A kind of a But I want to get off You're on a funny Subreddit I'm not

Nah You know Are you absorbing information Huh Are you absorbing information On Reddit Yeah yeah yeah There's funny content

On there too But it's largely Kind of dropped At this point It used to be better Than it is now Is Reddit Where is Reddit On the political spectrum now

oh there's everyone well it depends on the subreddit it's kind of everyone everyone's still on the website but uh neo-liberal i guess if you want to take it in its totality like everything yeah that's big enough yeah you know You reckon Trump's going to win again, guy? The Reddit guy's still married to Serena Williams, right? Yeah, but I think he quit Reddit. Still. He was there at the start. Nah. So is Aaron Schwartz. Justice for Aaron Schwartz.

Everyone's done with that guy. Do you reckon? It's on. There's only one man who could challenge him. Everyone's done with that guy. Do you reckon? Yeah. It's on. There's only one man who could challenge him. Dwayne. The Rock Johnson.

And he's put his fucking hand up. Man. I didn't want to see him be president, but you know, if those are the options. What about McConaughey? Dude. Let's get, okay. Normally I wouldn't allow this sort of extended divergence. But did you see the fucking crazy scam he's like involved in now?

No. He did this eight hour live video thing for some like lifestyle program with a bunch of motivational speakers. And it is off the charts oh wow he's running a similar um i feel like he's running a similar game or has been to the rock he's really he's a lot more he's oscillating too wildly and he's fallen into like what stinks of a pyramid scheme to me it's like it's got all the exuberance of like some crypto scam i love it the first thing you need to know tim is this is not a pyramid it is like that man and he was they would they just had this live stream going for hours it was maybe it was it

was something between four and eight it might have been like six maybe but it was hours upon hours and there's bits where he's just like on a drum and people have clipped it up obviously he's just on a drum like reading all the comments that are coming in and shit it's wild stuff and i think ultimately it's for some program you do that costs you know eight grand you've been um you've been checking out some pretty you've been checking out some pretty interesting videos lately bro i always am always am. I'm proud of you. Well, that's what the internet's for now. It's just someone else has clipped up the rest of culture for you. That's the website.

YouTube's the website. YouTube is where you go. It's just, I feel like I used to have relationships to certain writers who I'd discover. I know, and that's fucking sad. And I'd become really invested. Shea Serrano is actually a writer who I loved from back on. He used to write for a website called Grantland. He's a big Twitter guy, right?

He's a big Twitter guy. And he wrote some books I really liked. He did a hip-hop book and he did the book of basketball. Really funny, beautifully illustrated, very thoughtful books. He had a newsletter. I think he wrote a book about scrubs. I don't know if it got released or if it was just like subscriber only that he sold on exclusively the show yeah but um he's recent you know and i've watched him and he made a show with mike sure

who's the guy behind like the good place and things like that oh yeah a show called primo which is semi-autobiographical about being a hispanic uh teenager and um it's just coming out on amazon prime and like this is he's probably the last example of someone where I felt like I got on true ground floor and I've watched it all happen. And I feel so like he's such a, he's such a positive force for good. And he's fucking super funny as well. I mean,

but I just have no, I've got no one in the pipe. I've got no one in the developmental pipeline like that. You know, your draft picks are running on empty. Yeah. That's right. The bench is shallow. I've emptied the bench. mental pipeline like that you know your draft picks are running on empty yeah you got that's right now the bench is uh shallow i've emptied the bench um i would say youtube is actually a

good place for that well i was gonna say because it just offers you up people and you can literally see how many people are subscribed to their account so there are some people who you you know you you get on early you get on early and you see the journey and that's cool cold play after the first album yeah instead of cold play after the third or the fourth album imagine imagine being it it's okay it'd be yeah it's a hard thing to justify but you do want to brag about it if you're like i was into cold play day one it's like is that good or bad man i was into cold play cold plays first two albums still bang cold plate maybe maybe the vin diesel chris mart Martin crossover is not so small I'm sure Chris Martin wanted to make fantastic music yeah and realized that the music he was making was

getting a lot of people's attention and it was like okay how do I keep these people's attention and there's a compromise you arrive at between the music you want to make and the music that these people will keep listening to or do you think Coldplay have total creative freedom and it just so happens that their creative freedom aligns perfectly with commercial pop no idea I'm not I don't know but you know coldplay better what do you think i think at some point uh early i think after the first two albums i think there was a shift between a rush of blood to the head and x and y where they were um they knew how to make money they were broadening their appeal yeah and um i think from there and what about vin diesel now do you think that he in this franchise has found something that aligns or not completely

but very perfect alignment is very rare i think uh it's fulfilling but i think you know you've i think he he has i don't know if it's another franchise he has a very serious a very different performance to give set in a much more grounded world you are so right about that imagine Vin Diesel in his 60s

which isn't that far away for him this next chapter of his acting career could be really special i'm thinking like almost a a version of like a john lithgow i'm thinking of john lithgow yeah well because interstellar's in my head now imagine john lithgow is tom teredo imagine that i just don't know. I like where your head's at. Michael Caine then. I'm staying within the Nolan universe.

I don't know what to tell you, laddie. I can't even do Lithgow. I can't do anyone. It's hard to do Lithgow. I don't know what his thing, you know, verbally is. I think Lithgow's in New Zealand. Right now? What's he doing?

I think Lithgow and Geoffrey Rush. You? Yeah I think Lithgow's What's he doing? I think Lithgow And Geoffrey Rush You gotta be careful Not shooting off your mouth Because I feel like you get You get access to special information No this is This is the internet Oh okay cool

I'm damn near certain John Lithgow and Geoffrey Rush Are both in New Zealand Well Geoffrey Rush is Australian So he's probably here all the time Geoffrey Rush Semi cancelled He's probably

Oh yeah But obviously still working He came to my show in Melbourne this year Did he? Yeah he was in the crowd probably here all the time. Geoffrey Rush, semi-cancelled. Oh, yeah. But obviously still working. He came to my show in Melbourne this year. Did he? Yeah, he was in the crowd. Hard thing to brag about, isn't it, Guy? I found out after the fact. And then I looked up his Wikipedia page and I found out I can't brag about that at all.

So, folks, sometimes that's how it goes for another watch of Furious 7 with your boys, Timbo and Guy Guy, a.k. Guy aka The Flash aka New Zealand's most recent recipient of the Fred Award

for Best Show in the New Zealand International Comedy Festival for one day only I'm the funniest person and then it all goes away and then suddenly

you're Vin Diesel with your big muscles trying to chase a career in the footsteps of John Lithgow it's all confusing your terrain you don't know what to do.

Slippery slope. Thank you so much for listening. I do, I've got to tell you, I've said it in the last episode, I've said it again, I want to get Jomo in while we're doing Fast 7. Okay. All right, let's get him on the bar. I want to see the movie.

Let's get him on the couch. He told me, I spoke to him about the Fast universe recently because I was telling him I finally saw the movie he was telling us about, which was on the last screening. The movie he was telling us about? Oh, I see. So it's like through your eyes you finally recognized the one he was describing. Okay, gotcha.

And he said it's his second favorite. His favorite is Fast Five. Five? I thought for sure you were going to say one. No. Five? Yeah. I mean, look, man.

It's not that far away. The road is long. 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1