The Worst Idea Of All Time - 25: GazelleGalGadot - The Interloper

Episode Date: June 23, 2023

These two fellas are stationed at Casa Del Monty, a location where Guy feels comfortable enough to balance a tea on a couch without a coaster. On to business, and it’s another delicious helping of Furious 7. The boiz discuss the value of real life practical effects in cinema vs SFX, and Guy might have broken a M3GAN NDA. The chronology of the franchise continues to elude the pair and Han is the only buoy on this ocean of drifting timelines. Tim is good at Haunted Houses with friends and/or a bit bossy. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello, Tim. Hello, Guy. Hello, listener. Welcome along to a relaxed and cordial conversation between us as a couple of guys who host a podcast called The Worst Idea of All Time who have just watched a movie in the Fast and the Furious cinematic universe. There are so far 10, 11, if you count Hobbs and Shaw films in the Fast and the Furious franchise.

And Tim and I have seen four or five, if you're including Hobbs and Shaw. And the one that we've just seen for the first time is actually, I don't even know its official title. Furious 6? Is it? Or is it wrong?

I don't know. We don't know. It could be anything. Fast and the Furious. We've seen the sixth movie in the Fast and the Furious franchise. For the first time, and need we remind you,

we've not seen Fast and the Furious films one through five. We have seen nine, eight and seven. It's a new five we have seen nine eight and seven it's a new dawn it's a new day it's a new life for me oh it's a new dawn it's a new day it's a new life for me and I'm feeling I'm feeling okay how are you yeah I'm good this movie was a bit of all right yeah it's funny how that can happen uh i it's so hard to judge because i actually really enjoyed this but then i keep remembering the first time we watched things me being like yeah this is cool well this is just the thing i don't know that there'll be a

time you enjoy the movie more yeah i enjoyed it a lot yeah i thought it was awesome And I think Joseph Moore's off his gourd Saying that 7 is better than this This is the best one we've seen so far It's going to be a fascinating conversation to circle back to If we remember it So this is We'll just call it F6 For now

For efficiency For the boys And You know what I mean I totally agree with you It's a lot of fun this is the movie if you remember from our last episodes of the podcast that sets up f7 uh so a lot of the stuff we're talking about in f7 this provides quite a lot of context and background for and honestly when you're watching it you think why didn't they why didn't they you know why didn't they put this

movie before the other one in the franchise why didn't they put six movie before the other one in the franchise? Why didn't they put Six before Seven? Here's the funny thing about that guy. I think they did. We're the ones driving in reverse. Much like Dominic Toretto while he courts an amnesiac, if that is an adjective, Letty. That's right. We'll never know Letty's last name. Or Tez.

It's written on her. Tez. Or Tez. Oh, I thought you meant Or Tez. Like Te lady's last name. Ortez. It's written on her... Ortez. Ortez. Oh, I thought you meant Or-tez. Oh, no, no. Like Tez's last name also. No, Ortez is her lady's last name. It's written on her gravestone.

Wow. We went from me saying, we'll never know, to you immediately letting us know. Thanks, man. I'm sure we've talked about it before. Probably have. By the way, I've got a question for you just before we get into it. Sure. I think O positive, but I can't remember because they gave me a key chain,

but it wore off because I actually put it in my pocket for ages. That is, okay, I'll have to quickly think of another question, which is, why, Tim, answer me this, why is six afraid of seven? I do know this, but I want you to say, why, Tim, answer me this, why is Six afraid of Seven? I do know this, but I want you to say, why, guy? Why is Six afraid of Seven? Well, because 789. You know, the rate we're going,

we will collect all of these movies. Yep. Would you have, just, you know, outside of the podcast, just you and me catching up, talking, pretending that the project's not happening right now. Would you have rather seen Seven having seen this movie already? Yeah, definitely. Why?

Absolutely. I think I would never watch Seven again, if I can help it. But I think I'd enjoyed a lot more with this. This was a good movie and this is what i'm thinking with the the furious franchise is that it's like when i was when i was thinking about before we were going to watch today when i was thinking about the furious movies because now they're all i think about guy there's this fast franchise of ours you got other responsibilities no this is my sole focus in life now is watching and talking with you about these films.

So I was like, we know that they are getting progressively worse as they come out and people are talking real smack about 10, how terrible that is. It's like the worst one ever. They continue to be financially successful and I was trying to reconcile all of that

and I'm like, so what is happening here are the movies actually getting worse as they go along and if so how come they keep being financial juggernauts and then I was like well maybe the movies are bad and I select so the movies as movies are bad so fast 10 is very bad movie, but to reward you for having seen all the other ones, and as part of all of that, it's actually cool. So it's a fine thing to pay $20 to go to the movies and see all these payoffs for all the other films that you've seen.

But as a movie itself, it sucks. This is sort of, Joseph alluded to this in the last episode about how deeply canon the movies are. And, you know, I mean, in this one, we saw a conversation that we'd already seen play out in... I can't believe you've got a tea resting on the sofa. I trust the sofa. There's no, for our one listener who isn't subscribed to the video episodes on Substack for $5 a month, there's no saucer.

It's just a cup on the sofa that guy's got. I trust the tea. I trust the sofa. I trust myself. Nice. You got plans on knocking that tea over? Not at all. I'll do everything in my power to prevent it happening.

I can get it. I can have it. You want it in shot? I can have it in frame so that everyone can enjoy it. We see a scene in this movie that we'd already seen countless times which is Gal Gadot

yeah it's from F9 it's when Han it's not it's from this it's in F9 but it's really it's from this

I think it's from what you see it in first okay so for me it's from f9 you you've got your own systems and i love that i respect that for you for me this is from f9 and it's uh it's actually when letty and dom are trying to solve for where the recently they've found out a live han could be and they're tracking back and they say he always said tokyo was his mexico which is like delightfully sort of confusing yeah like we haven't seen it we haven't seen him saying that

yet we've seen him talking about going to tokyo with gal gadot or giselle as she as we now know she's called in the movie but i mean how did you feel seeing like because you know we know that all this stuff's overlaid and like we talked about a little bit in the last episode When F7 they go to Tokyo This is all in the middle of between 2 and 3 right? Everything's transpiring between 2 and 3? No no no So Tokyo Drift actually takes place between this movie And

No Hold on This is snuck in between two and three, I thought. Or three and four. This movie. Yeah. No. Isn't it?

Isn't that what Joseph said? How could this movie be between three and four? There's a fifth movie. That's what I'm saying. But that's why I was getting so bent out of shape with Joseph. I thought he was saying that there's like all of these, timeline wise, there's all these movies they've snuck into in between. It's either two and 3 or 3 and 4.

They all exist within... I might have misunderstood. What about the technology, though? Fucked if I know, dude. I just know that, like, canonically, that was my understanding of what Joseph was telling us. No, because they all stack on top of each other. On top of each other. Hold on.

How does it go in your head? How does this work? Okay. It goes... Well, I'm'm gonna go backwards okay because we are so f9 present day ish forwards okay it's gonna work easier for me okay i'll go forwards thanks so the start of f9 oh yeah, yeah, true. Okay, we're doing flashbacks. Present day. I can't actually get my head around this. The start of F8, present day for the time.

F7, when it came out, that was also set in the present day. This is a mess. What do you think it is? I think it's something like that. Hold on, hold on. I'm going to answer your question You said this is the origin story of Han I think it goes like

1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7 Maybe 8, 9, 3 And then like, whatever 3's after 9? Maybe not after 9 But maybe Okay, maybe it does this 1, 2, 4, five, six, seven, three, eight, nine.

I think you're right. I'm just remembering now because we do see Dom in seven. He goes to Tokyo, and it's in the middle of Tokyo Drift. Yeah, true. Yes. And this is before that. Yeah. So Han goes to tokyo so this is like sandwiched in between this is the prequel to tokyo drift a movie which came out probably about 15 years eight years before this movie yeah so this is all setting up tokyo drift

yeah dude we've had this conversation in the last episode i think no but i it's different now that i've seen f6 okay because i've actually seen what we're talking about it just then it was like you got you and joseph were off on a wave maybe and i was like okay prepping my next big idea to talk about so you know like you're cooking i'm experiencing this now yep is that why they're on Blackberries? Well this came out in 2013 Yeah Now we're testing my cell phone knowledge I mean iPhones were around

RIM was still around The iPhone came out in 06 Yeah iPhones weren't just around Like they were on the scene Yeah Blackberries was still around Okay so Obama used a Blackberry

For ages He was in office until He came in in 08 He was there till 16 Yeah, Blackberries was still a... Okay, so Obama used a Blackberry for ages. He was in office until... He came in in 08. He was there till 16. So 08 till 12 is the first term. So I reckon, yeah, that wasn't a... That wasn't a deliberate choice to reflect the fact that this is set. Exactly.

I mean, do you know what is exciting to think about in Tokyo Drift? Whether or not in the world of the film they've invented a modern phone that they think people will be using in like 2019 do you know what i mean thing i i don't think they anticipated making a movie that would have like five prequels between the movie that actually came out before it well and three sort of this leads somewhat towards something i wanted to talk about. It's a bit bigger. What I wanted to talk about was a little more narrow, but in terms of mapping out the cinematic

universe, you know what is driven, and I'm not a Marvel guy, I've not really followed the movies, but I feel like what is driven... He's a DC man. Yeah. You've got to know this about Monty. Here is Boyz, The Flash, Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, yeah you got to know this about monty here is boys i think what's flash what's batman superman wonder woman always love the flesh man what has driven that sort of cinematic uh world into the

ground or removed any sort of genuine excitement fascination and charisma from them is like they mapped out this big complex idea where they were like it's all and it's not like we're not watching them create anything we're watching them fulfill this brief this algorithmic idea where they were like it's all and it's not like we're not watching them create anything we're watching them fulfill this brief this algorithmic brief that they came up with in a room years ago it's like to get this toy out

we need to release three movies and one TV series and it's really and so I don't think that they did that for Fast and the Furious no

so what I want to know what the creative process in terms of mapping out all of the movies like when they made because it's such a crazy decision they made these two movies Fast and Furious

and then Too Fast Too Furious yeah and then they're like okay and now we're going to flash forward a lot well I don't think they did though

that was the point that I think we were all talking about last episode is that this wasn't in any way intentional it was like

they made two movies. I mean, to me, Tokyo drift just culturally, I don't even know if I've seen it. I don't think I have. He's always felt like it was kind of this slightly different special, maybe a cap of a trilogy that they're making.

Right. They, they didn't, they, they had no intention of, you know, what has happened, what is eventuated

Where there are now going to be 13 movies in total No one saw that coming man How could you plan for that much in advance And if you were planning for that in advance Would you do it like how they've done it Would you do it this exact way I wouldn't It's what makes it so incredible though

We know as much about this franchise as anyone And we're struggling to get our heads around it the exact way? Isn't that what makes it I wouldn't. It's what makes it so incredible though. Yeah. You know, we know as much about this franchise as anyone and we're struggling to get our heads around it. I don't think that's true because of the way

in which we are doing this. I imagine that someone is screaming either at themselves or into their headphones at us right now. The other thing I want to know is

so the climactic third act action scene in this is it's very large scale. I mean, again, you know. And it's at night.

Yeah, there's a rhythm to all of these. The second act, the sort of climactic action scene of the second act, to my eyes, is nearly always more fun. I think it's because the third act always feels like it drags me because I'm willing the movie to be over, and I feel like the movie's finished at the second act. There's probably a personal emotional connection to it then. But they're always,

like in this one, they're preventing a huge military jet from taking off and they're using cars as their means of doing that. I mean, is the person who writes the script, do you think is it one person who's mapping out these action sequences and they're writing crazy shit?

These are so well choreographed. They're so insane. I just want to know how many people do you think it takes to come up with these ideas? I think they run the physics on all of it to a degree. I think all of it is still meant to be plausible.

I think they probably start losing it. It sucks. You described them as jumping the shark in this with the tank. There's an exact, no, no, it wasn't the tank. There's an exact moment where I think you can see the fast franchise turn, make the bad turn. I loved this movie right up until one very specific moment where Shaw, and we're not talking about Deckard Shaw,

because we haven't even seen Jason Statham yet yet he doesn't exist in the world no okay well before you get into the the jumping to shake moment do you think that the writers of this movie know that uh deckard sure exists no absolutely not they're gaming out ahead of one movie at a time at this no they're not yes they are no they're not yes they are no there's no set up for it at all nothing no suggestion that he's got a brother it doesn't even feel like these guys are brothers now having seen this guy's a real baddie this is a proper villain staith he's a charming rogue never do well you know this guy this guy's a fucking arsehole he killed so many innocent people on that bridge driving that tank he killed a lot of people we watched him do it there is some setup they talk about he talks about his brother explicitly oh

damn it i missed that i missed that you didn't it was a big standoff scene between vin and shore I missed that. I missed that. You didn't. It was a big standoff scene between Vin and Shaw. They're standing opposite each other, and he's saying, my code is precision.

Yes. Your code is family. Yes. Oh, I see. My brother always said to me, my older brother always said to me, everyone must have a code. Oh, fuck.

There you go. I missed that. Well, they say that. I missed the little, my brother told me this thing. Okay. Well, that may be all right. That is a good setup for Stath coming in. Anyway, the bit where they jumped the shark in this whole fucking franchise,

as far as I can tell, is when Shore is driving a tank through a bridge to get a little component that's going to form a super weapon which can disable a whole country's Military's communication For 24 hours For 24 hours You make a soldier blind On the battlefield

They die You make a country blind For 24 hours The death toll Is unimaginable Oh nice There you go You sum bitch

It's like a An EMP But big and specific So he's building one With all these bits He has to run around And get all the bits Shaw does

And he's got a tank At this point He has to run around And get all the bits Shaw does And he's got a tank At this point And what they do The tank reveal by the way Phenomenal The tank reveal Is really fucking good It's a great shot

We've got a big old Burly truck And you're like What's going on With that armoured truck And then a fucking tank Bursts through it Out of necessity too

They've got a big old Burly truck And then there's a specific Sort of titanium Out of necessity too, they've got a big old burly truck and then there's a specific sort of titanium rope that Ludacris has been experimenting with, which they put across a road. Think of a spear fishing gun. And then amplify it. But put a NOS canister on it.

And instead of fishing wire, it's high tensile steel. It cuts the big burly truck in two and you think, oh my God, they've stopped the bad guys. And then you just see the the front nozzle the trunk essentially of the tank the snout yeah the snout emerges from the wreckage of the big burly truck and it just leaps over the titanium rope and then ludicrous does some great i mean everyone's acting is actually pretty on point in this it is um so okay let me just get this done. They manage to use Ludacris' fishing spear gun to anchor a burnt-out car,

which the tank has run over already, around the tank to act as an anchor and then throw it off by running it over. They throw it off the side of a bridge so that it will hopefully kind of take the tank with it or tip the tank on its side or something. And when this happens, Letty goes up because she's got amnesia at this point and she's working for sure she goes up to free the cable on the gun turret and then so he starts to turn the gun turret that's not oh is that what you're thinking of it's the snout no no the snout

it's the front bit of the like with no the the main gun turret is what i was describing as the snout oh okay that's fair because that's the first thing you see you see a snout It's the front bit of the Like where the No the The main gun turret Is what I was describing As the snout Oh okay that's fair Cause that's the first thing you see You see a snout Sniffing out fresh air Like a truffle pig So trunk

You meant like Of an elephant Yeah That'll confuse our American listeners Who call a boot A trunk Oh yeah But pull your fucking head in

Okay So That happens And a boot by the way Is the back of the car Not a shoe And then sure He's called as a cucumber, and he goes, all right, Toretto, now you get your girl and your happy ending.

And he kind of flips the whole tank so the lady gets thrown into the air. She's going to careen down to her certain death off this bridge. Now, what you've got to know about this bridge, it's kind of like two big lanes lanes And there's a gap in the middle It's a big gap So that's where their anchor has fallen down And there's water below, much below It's so high up

So Dom gets on top of his car When lead has been thrown in the air And he throws himself through the air Catches her and lands on a car But the way they shoot it And the angles they've picked everything else in the movie is like physics good the look and feel love it the vibe immaculate and then they do this jump and i'm like you fucked it to this point on too far you've actually been

championing you've been out loud constantly saying i love all this the one time i looked at my phone and this movie was to check if they Shot it on film And they did Yeah And it just adds a level of Groundedness to the stunts You're saying It enhances the believability

Your viewing experience is enhanced Subconsciously Yeah Because you don't like Think about That you're watching something With film But you can't

I think your brain Sort of detects It a little bit And it just adds The believability of the stunts well we know when i think about the the cars out of the airplane stunt from f7 tracking backwards and i i know the amount of work and research that went into that because you wikied it yeah but then i'm like well i believe in so you know film or no film yeah just listen to me and the rhythms of my heart uh and so i'm but i believe you know i i my instinct

is to be impressed by the stunts and believe that they have done everything they can to make them as um as real as possible you know to exist within the realm of this this earth i don't believe anything now past like 2015 if the movie came out i'm. I don't believe anything now. Past like 2015, if the movie came out, I'm like, I don't believe you. Doesn't matter what it looks like. And that's the tricky thing about filmmaking these days with action movies. What about like documentaries? Documentaries, I buy that. I believe them.

You believe everything you see. Hashtag believe all documentaries. Yeah, that's right. That's where I'm at. But action movies now, it's so hard because like everything can so convincingly be done in a computer on a sound stage and it's not to take away from the very hard-working visual effects professionals but it's a different thing of like creating a fucking graphics engine to show a car exploding and exploding a car pointing a camera at it. And the latter is cool.

What will the future of this be? Now what they're doing, which is a bit different, so they used to green screen everything, right? But now, have you seen they use real screens so the lighting can be more convincing? So they'll basically have a really super high def TV behind the actors. With the actual backgrounds.

With the backgrounds, yeah. Chels was in that for Mithrigan. have a really super high def tv behind the actors with the actual background with the background chelsea actually chelsea was in that for uh in mithrigan mithrigan megan oh yeah yeah oh did they use one of those they used one of those so she was in a car and they had that that whole big uh screen around the back with all of like the blizzard and the yeah i think my sister-in-law is like was part of Sort of pioneering that tech But she's not allowed to talk about Any of it Oh wow

Yeah it's real secret Squirrel shit I wonder if I've misspoke With what? What I said What about? Chelsea using the technology Oh

Nah That would be sweet The movie's out I think it's G I think it's all good Why is it a secret? Because it's like Star Wars And it's big franchise-y things

So like It's just for plots and stuff They have to keep all their work super secret Oh okay We're not allowed to know how they do it I don't know anything I'm not supposed to Because she's very good at keeping the secrets Just so you know

I don't fucking know I don't think my brother knows He's married to her Oh wow It's real full on Your brother's married to your sister-in-law? Yeah Don't think about it too hard

Seems kind of fucked up Shout out Dave He's the listener Is he? He's the listener He's the libertarian We've been addressing this whole time My man

This movie's good I like it I like it right up to that jump Specifically I think Vin Diesel is acting in this movie, which is a refreshing change of pace. I thought the way the movie started was incredibly exciting and refreshing.

Starts on a car, just a pure one-on-one drag race. Two cars driving along a coastal cliff in what turns out to be the Canary Islands in Spain. And it's Brian and Vin, and they're having a bit of fun with it. And it turns out that they're racing to the birth of Jack, Vin's nephew, Brian and Mia's son. And they are imperiling both themselves and everyone in the community

by racing to the birth. Not as much as driving a tank the wrong way down a bridge. No, but these are our good guys. Yeah, that's true. Like, you know, it's like, you know, they're racing. I just think. They kind of set it up. You think that Vin and Brian, sorry, Dom and Brian

are like at each other's throats. Like they're competing for something. Like, oh, what's going on here? What's happened? I'm actually looking forward to seeing that. That must be the first movie When they decide to Yeah

I'm looking forward To seeing them like Come across each other And then not like each other And learn to begrudgingly Respect one another I'm looking forward To seeing Brian leave the FBI

I didn't realise he was a fed Yeah I thought he was like a cop That's right Like a good cop And there were spoilers In this There were spoilers

In this movie Spoilers for what When Owen Shaw And Dom Toretto Are talking to each other And he says You know this for the there are spoilers in this movie when the when spoilers for what when owen shaw and uh dom teredo are talking to each other and he says you know uh uh drag a car racer from um east los angeles used to steal dvd players then pulled off like a hundred million dollar heist in rio de janeiro yeah so lots of the start of this movie is about that because you can tell that the end of five was like one last big job to get the payday for they're all spread across the world chris is on a private plane surrounded by beautiful

oh sorry tyrese is surrounded by beautiful women with champagne talking about i wrote these down on my notes but now he's gonna have a great he was gonna have a great night and he was like telling all these ladies like you're gonna have a great night you guys gonna have a great night and then they were like you know what you're to have a great night You guys are going to have a great night And then they were like You know what You're going to have a great night It seems like everyone's going to have a pretty good time Ludacris has rigged up an ATM To spurt money at children Which rules

Yeah that was really cool Dom is in bed post-coital In a scene very reminiscent of the one that we saw Opening F8 In Cuba Yeah But with Elena in bed post-coital in a scene very reminiscent of the one that we saw opening in Cuba but with Elena and do the biology that must be

the night he impregnated her which is a buzzy thing to think about to this point in the franchise working backwards, that's the most breast that's ever been exposed in the Fast and the Furious universe and it made me, it it's like there must have been a conscious decision

between F6 and F7 oh to widen it out for the family yeah yeah I think you're right to like to pull the pull the rating down so that more people

can get into the cinemas to see these movies and it makes me wonder whether or not they you know they will become more explicit oh we're looking forward

to softcore scenes well I just wonder I wonder I hope and there's nothing wrong with curious there's nothing wrong with wondering they will become more explicit. Oh, we're looking forward to some softcore scenes. Well, I just wonder. I wonder, I hope. And there's nothing wrong with wondering. Sorry, is that illegal? Thought police? Fucking Tom Cruise's Minority Report?

Is that illegal for me to wonder if I'm going to see a woman's nipple? In the Fast franchise? No, it's not illegal. They're all spread across the globe. In the Fast franchise But basically They're all spread across the globe We've got Han and Gal Gadot Having a meal I got the feeling it was in Hong Kong I think there's a song

There's a song that mentions the lyric Hong Kong Sweet as That's setting up where they are And then they all get surrounded They get surrounded Everyone's phone rings basically at the same time. And there's a big feeling that they have just completed a massive job.

And then... The phones all ring a little bit later because Hobbes comes in and sort of tells us, the movie guy, a little bit about what's going on. But no, their phones ring... Yeah, yeah, yeah. We should go to the start.

But yeah, their phones ring all at the same time. Like, all of these scenes are sequential. It's back-to-back. It's Roman, Tej, back-to- uh back to back to back han and giselle and then all of their phones ring simultaneous but isn't that after no no we've seen we see all the destruction that's happened in russia and hobbes assessing it shout out to um 2013 russia yeah doing it big in the fast and furious universe moscow looks pretty cool i actually thought it was in the Fast and the Furious universe. Moscow looks pretty cool. I actually thought it was London on the first opening shot,

the establishing shot. It's when you see that cool... Is it the Kremlin? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know, that cool building in the background. And so Hobbs... There's some fun architecture over there. Big time. They're doing it different, eh?

Yeah. What I was looking forward to though, because I thought, and I thought this was so cool. I was really looking forward to this. So you're basically, this is right at the start of the movie. Hobbs is walking through a fucking just crime scene

of the end of a car race that's gone terribly. And I was like, cool, man. They're going to go backwards and we're going to get to see what caused this. But that isn't the case. No. But what a cool way to make a movie.

If you have a cop walking through, there's a fucking... So what really tipped it for me what caused this but that isn't the case but what a cool way to make a movie if you like have a cop walking through there's a fucking so what really tipped it for me is there's a car that's sticking

out of a building and one Hobbs' assistant I've forgotten her name but we'll get to her in a second she's like how did that happen

and it's like we're gonna see it that's why you're asking out loud but then they don't which was disappointing do you remember in Christchurch on morehouse ave there's a car yard that has that is like a gimmick so like there's like the car yard out the front and then there's like the office building and then above it it's like a sort of warehouse style it's like a concrete facade

and there's like half of a car it looks like the car's been run into it there's just half a car sticking out the front it rocks i can't remember it but it's so cool it's like shit like that's cool man the mini dealership used to have a mini cooper just like suspended do you remember that in ponsonby i think like upright it was oh whoa very perilous feeling when i see half a car wedged into a wall i feel like brian and abu dhabi i'm like there are only seven of these in the world and you got this this beast locked up it makes me furious you think there's seven cars i don't fucking know man i'm actually i actually do you know what i mean i don't know what it's like for the listener i feel like my brain has been scrambled by trying to um

think through the timelines i'm having it oh really i'm i'm uh i enjoyed watching this movie just as a punter but as a podcaster who's responsible for taking our listener on a journey yeah i'm having trouble connecting dots so letty's got amnesia although sorry letty is presumed dead i thought yeah and i thought that this was the movie in which we'd see letty um get amnesia yeah i didn't realize that yes same actually Well no So the end of F5 Must have been heavy

Yeah yeah yeah Because we're like Letty's dead Yeah We believe that people Like Fucking imagine that In the cinemas

F5 Letty dies You still believe Characters in the universe Can die Yeah yeah And also the movies Are still good

And in this one They kill Giselle Galgado At the end. For reals. But we'd probably still be like, if they just brought Letty back like that. Letty's a legacy though. Gal Gadot is just an interloper in the world of this.

Well, to us. We don't know though. Because we're going backwards. How many movies? Okay. Let's place a bet. How many movies before this one is Gal Gadot in? I'm going to say.

She starts in three. Okay. You mean in Tokyo Drift? Yeah. So she's in Tokyo Drift, four, five, and this is six. And then she features in Flashback, so I don't know if we're counting that, but technically she's in, eh? I think she's, is she going to be in Tokyo Drift?

Yeah, because... No, because Tokyo Drift happens after this and she's dead. No, does it happen after this? Yes. Yes, you're right. You're right. You're right. You're right.

Because Han is in Tokyo. Tokyo Drift happens as an answer to this movie. I think she's in this movie and the movie before I think she's in F5 and F6 so she's not a legacy she's an interloper so Tokyo Drift call her an interloper

I don't feel comfortable with that for some reason so here's what I think would be useful let's look at Han as a vehicle is a loper someone who just contains

with a lope no this isn't one of those this isn't one of those where you can just chop off the prefix and it means something else you need both bits okay so you go you go here with your thought experiment let us as time travelers in a very confusing situation tumbling through these different actually this is it this is nice let us this is a time traveling podcast let us use han as a bit of an anchor point

because I think that's going to be useful for us. Okay. I'm following you here. I'm trusting you. Han and Three, Tokyo Drift. I've heard, by the way, you're great to go through haunted houses with. Han, from who did you talk to?

Joseph Moore and I think Simone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that that came up in conversation. There's a great photo of that day. Yeah, they said that you really took charge. They said you were fantastic and they couldn't have done it without you. Independent of each other too.

It's really sweet. It makes me feel like I'm probably a bit bossy. This is my personal house of horrors and you've got a torch and you're at the front. Han in Tokyo Drift Is a character Who is strong But damaged And we don't really know why

So we're a cinema going Audience member He's got a hidden backstory that we don't understand We've watched one We've got two So in these two movies what have we got We've gotrian and dom and lady we got some celery people yeah she's in the mix but she's in there she's okay okay i've seen the eyebrows and the flashback from f7 she's definitely in the first all right and and so is roman and tish but i'm just saying like in terms of what

we're kind of watching you know we got we got paul we got vin it's kind of center points now three took we're going to japan baby yeah and we got this cool guy called han who we don't know a lot about but he's fucking cool and he's a great driver and he seems kind of sad and we don't really know why so then we watch like four five and six and we find we start to find out So then we watch like four, five and six And we find So like in four maybe he meets Gal Gadot Maybe she's introduced You know

Canonically in four When Dominic Toretto and Brian go to Tokyo If they both go to Tokyo In Tokyo Drift They Know Han But the audience is meeting Han for the first time. I guess that must be true

because we are watching all of their relationship over the years in maybe four, five, ten, six. They definitely know Han. Yeah. And they know why he's having such a hard time. Yeah. But do they pretend not to so that they can be an audience surrogate?

We haven't seen what the relationship looks like so you know we're only going to get to see that movie three times we're going to be watching every pixel like do you think we're going to be we're going to learn to concentrate harder and harder i think i feel like i'm concentrating i concentrated pretty hard for this one first screening yeah but even compared to like a first showing of nine or eight, I feel like this one I was like, okay, what's going on? Who are you? Who are you?

Yeah. Do you reckon? I think I've asked this already. I asked Joseph last episode. Are we learning anything? Are we bringing any new insights to the Fast and the Furious universe? I need you to tell me more about what this question is. How do you mean learning?

Are we finding out anything that other people haven't? Are we presenting new information to people who have gone the traditional route? No, certainly not. I wouldn't say so. Nope. Nothing of value. A lot wager tell me nothing can you tell me about because there's a there's a heavy twist in this movie well not heavy but like

there's a great twist between acts two and three there's a standoff have you ever seen that news that news clip where the newsreader and he's gay I mean blind climb Mount Everest I can't remember any of the context but yeah it's like and get this he's gay well I mean blind

is that autocue or is that a brain? It's not, it's a brain Because like, you can kind of It's a woman, eh? There's two anchors, I can't remember who says it I think it's the woman It's like you can tell by her reaction that her brain did it Yeah, yeah

It's funny The twist is, he's gay Wait, I meant blind I'm gonna get it up Today You ready? Twisters, he's gay. Wait, I'm in for life. I'm gonna get it up. Today. You ready? Okay, let's go. The hunt for the wildest movie of the summer. Everybody

run! Ends here. This is your super friendly and not aggressive reminder to buy tickets immediately. Borderlands. Now playing. Well, that sucks because you were on your way to a point when I derailed. Now, if you're researching, there's nothing to fill the space. Right after the break, we're going to interview Eric Weihandmayer, who climbed the highest mountain in the world, Mount Everest.

But he's gay. I mean, he's gay. Excuse me, he's blind. So we'll hear about that Coming out It's good to Excuse me He's gay Wait no He's gay

He's blind It's the second gay It's a killer Oh shit What were we I was discussing The twist Yeah the twist

So there's a twist In between X2 and 3 They sort of They capture Owen Shaw And you know they've stopped the tank and it feels as though um they've they've they've basically ended the movie essentially but then he says you don't understand i'm crazy i'm cuckoo i'm lala and i actually have a member of your family ukulele to a pumpkin yeah they Yeah, they've got Mia. So while all this is happening, we haven't seen anything from Mia or Jack,

her and Brian's newborn. And so then he negotiates the, basically him and his cohorts can leave. And Letty's been working with him the whole time because she's got amnesia. And the reason that they have Letty in their care is because in F5, when they believe she's dead she actually

survives in the hospital and they go to kill her and then they learn that she can't remember anything and they're like well this is a very valuable asset this is a weapon essentially totally and so there's this big point where he's saying okay we're gonna go and he says are you coming with me babe babe and everyone assumes he's talking to letty because letty's been on their side the whole movie like is she like, is she going to go? Is she going to? And then, twist, Letty stays, but The Rock's partner,

who Tim was just talking about, who we see in Moscow at the start of the movie, he's like, how'd that car get there? She goes. And so she's been a mole on the inside the whole time. And then further to that, you were telling me that she, because she's not in any of these future movies.

I've never seen that actor in my life before yeah you know about her so she's she's she's she is famous um and i kind of got this sense by her fight scenes and stuff that maybe she also was a ufc fighter maybe she's she was a fantastic fighter fighter um she did some good stuff and it was kind of matched with that you know acting isn't the best maybe we haven't had She was a fantastic fighter. Fighter. She did some good stuff. And it was kind of matched with that, you know, acting isn't the best. Maybe we haven't had a whole lot of experience making films before, but still better than Ronda Rousey. Gina Carano. Yeah.

Yeah. She was playing Riley Hicks, a DSS agent. So she's Hobbs' assistant. It's like Hobbs' deputy. Yeah. Can you look at, What is she in the MCU Cause she joined the Marvel Friend

You know Metaverse For a Few movies I think And then I can't remember what the incident was But she's Very conservative

Said some shit They nixed her She cried Cancel culture And then like the next movie she was in Was this $25,000 budget Fucking She played Angel Dust in Deadpool

Oh yeah she's in Deadpool that's right And that was like She was in The Mandalorian Oh yeah okay I think that's the one Mandalorian's big What's The Mandalorian about? I haven't seen it

Everyone's seen it but us two Really? Which is going to be frustrating for the listener For the libertarian listener They've definitely seen it Yeah man everyone's seen the Mandalorian Right? What happened to her?

Well I don't You're the one with the cell phone brother I'm going by memory here But she said some shit Disney were like Not in the mouse's house You don't. And she got swiftly 86.

86. 2020s. Lucasfilm announced in February, 2021, that Karana would not appear in future Star Wars projects following a series of controversial posts she made to social media, which they don't reference, stating,

this is what Lucasfilm said, her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable. There you go. The same day she was dropped by UTA. That must have been pretty bad if her representation dropped her. In November 2021,

Carano was tapped to play a secret service agent in My Son Hunter, a biopic on Hunter Biden directed by Robert Darby darvey yeah there's trailers of that movie and it looks like it was shot on a handy cam the film is being distributed by american far-right news website brightbart news and was released on september 7 2022 fucking good on you brightbart getting into film distribution why not on review aggregator website rotten tomatoes 67 of six critics reviews are positive six hold on i think the salient bit is only six people

reviewed it uh six critics charles promesco of the guardian wrote writing critically about a film like my son hunter feels kind of like seeing the kid making fart noises from the back of the class to detention. It described the film as a fiction-laced retelling of the Hunter Biden laptop nothing burger and a dank bog of paranoia and conspiracy theorising that is the sophomore directorial effort from Robert Darvey. Hey, we're all making stuff, you know what I mean? Yeah. Lay off, cunt. Naomi Frye of the New Yorker called the film an amateurish, often batshit, a very occasionally vulgarly amusing satire

come thriller, come melodrama, come propaganda organ, which switches between modes with the head-spinning unexpectedness of a surrealist cut-up. Man. If you click on enough Wikipedia hyperlinks, it's not long before you're in all sorts of places. Well, somewhere you didn't even know existed I know

That's the thing So that's her That's her lot in life Well all because you posted something on social media My shining light for this movie I liked a lot of it Fuck I didn't actually think about getting a shining light And I wish I had

Before I'd started this sentence I can go Yeah I mean it's the emergence of the snout The tank snout coming out the the big burly trike i hadn't seen the trailer sort of you know i imagine it would have been ruined by the trailer is so many stunts you know like it's a it's a it's a problem with so many movies now but um to go into it not knowing what that was going to happen yeah even though they talked about tanks in previous films definitely would have been in the in the trailer you did right um it was amazing

it was it was like it was you know it was what you're meant to get from an action movie and i was thinking as i was watching this because when we get that it was night it was set at night time but like there is a sedative side effect for me watching these fast and furious movies usually in later screenings like today i was fine where you know action sequences start to shut my they shut my nervous system down basically they're trying to put me to sleep wow and i was the opposite of what they're supposed to and i was wondering if i go to a non-fast action movie at the cinema whether or not i would that would have the same impact like i what's your sense of that i think if i went like a transformers movie,

the action sequences would shut me down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what about something good? If I think, what's a movie that'll have, if I went to Guardians of the Galaxy, I think the action sequences would probably shut me down. Yeah, same.

Even though they sort of, they put quips in there. There's also another thing that elevated this movie. What about that one that Bob Odenkirk did? Nobody. Yeah, I love that. So that was fucking me. That was great.

No one's fallen asleep at the cinema or that one. It was tight. It was tidy. Tidy as. The action sequences felt low to the ground in terms of like. Just watching a man bare knuckle his way through a bus of dickheads. It's fucking intense, yeah. Fuck you, dude.

That's a flick. This movie also, which is something that is sadly removed between now and F9, Sense of Humour. I like that a lot of it was set in Britain and so you got to see a lot of caricaturized, caricatures of British, different iterations of British people.

Yes. And I think it's best to save the conversation for another episode, but... We'll forget, Just do it now. The sense of humor that was imbued through this, particularly the sort of the pompous British man at the car auction who tells off The Rock and Ludacris for coming when he doesn't think they have enough money.

Well, he says the service door for lunch service is around the other side. He quickly does this assessment of what they're wearing. And later on he says, I don't mean any offense, gentlemen, but you couldn't possibly afford the calves in this auction. And it was just nice to have like a, you know, it was just. I think you're going to bring up the other thing. Rita Ora is a race girl in this.

Yeah. And so she starts a race by saying, ready, steady, go. Which is the British version of, you know, let's fucking start a race. What ready steady go yeah which is the british version of you know let's fucking start a race what do they say well i'm trying to remember now actually are you ready i know you're ready yeah ready to go on your marks all right i've got my phone out for my notes for my shining light did i just read what i've got first up verbatim? I can't remember what I wrote. We've got everything. Gal Gadot, Luda having a ball with champagne ladies on a private jet,

Dom's fucking Alina, Hobbs is tearing shit up at Interpol, Brian's a dad, sure has been mentioned but not cited yet, and we've got a fantastic visual gag where a rando bald man sits in for Vin to trick us. Oh, yeah. That is cool.

You see this bald guy sitting from behind who's been brought in by the police and we're like, oh my God, they fucking got Dom Toretto and then the camera pans around. It's some other bald guy. It does speak volumes to the movie

that it explodes onto the scene like that. Yeah. The excitement is emanating from your phone screen as you read that stuff out. There's the first like 15 minutes of the flick and my shining light will be a line from Hobbes. So Roman says, why do I smell baby oil?

And Hobbes replies, you keep running your pie hole. You're going to smell an ass whooping. Yeah. I felt like we got to see the rock. The rock grew into his cadence and his rhythm in this. I actually feel like between this movie and future Fast and Furious movies

and then all of his other own intellectual properties, we see this is, I think, a turning point in The Rock's career. I think the way he's selling certain lines, he says, you want to catch wolves? You need wolves. Let's go hunting. He doesn't say that with this sort of, maybe he's putting more effort into it

I feel like he gets into a zone in later movies where it's like everything's delivered with exactly the same rhythm and in this it felt like there was variance

he put less energy into it which to me made it less convincing but maybe it actually means that he cared more about his delivery in this movie

he was still proving himself as an actor it's called dynamics very insightful guy and we're going to wrap it up we've been talking for too long about F6.

We'll see you the next time we talk about F6. 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Today... You ready? Okay, let's go. The hunt for the wildest movie of the summer. Everybody run! Ends here. This is your super friendly and not aggressive reminder to buy tickets immediately.

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