The Worst Idea Of All Time - 28: Guy's Cancelled (w/ Gen Fricker)

Episode Date: March 28, 2019

Aussie comedian and broadcaster Gen Fricker is here, revisiting a film she hasn’t seen since the big screen watch at the end of a relationship. Gen gives us the most intense turn-of-phrase imaginable to describe what drawing outside the lines means and the trio discuss the gals are doing nothing for anyone. Gen spearheads a dive into the attachment styles of all of the gals pitches for online streaming continuation of this franchise.@genfricker (Instagram) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We just have a good rhythm together, you know, he sort of feels me out, I feel him out, and we go for it. Hello, and welcome along to the worst idea of all time, season four, episode 28. I'm Guy Montgomery, I'm joined as always by my friend, my partner in crime. He's handsome. He's married. He won't stop talking about it. Hiya, Tim. But enough about me.

Let's meet our guest. Absolutely. I am sitting beside the outstanding Australian comic and broadcaster and musician, no less, Jen Fricker. Hello. I'm so happy Jen Fricker. Hello. I'm so happy I'm back. Yes. Woo!

Woo! It's good to have you back. We are in Sydney, Australia. Tim, as always, at Little Empire HQ, Graylin, Auckland, New Zealand. Tim, how are you? Look it up. You might find my house. Please don't stalk me. It scares me. Tim, how are you? Look it up. You might find my house. Please don't stalk me.

It scares me. Tim, how are you? I'm all right. I was very hungry, so I grabbed a mandarin for the defense of both the quality of this podcast and Guy's feelings. Okay, so go for his throat with low blood sugar, as I've done before. Oh, nice. I really like it when you monitor your own blood sugar, Tim,

because, you know, you do become real sulky, sort of grumpy guts. Certainly do. I think while that's fine and good content, if it is on a court of the movie and the project alone, if that's just because you're not looking after yourself, frankly, that's not my problem, that's not Jen's problem, and it sure as heck ain't one libertarian listener's problem. Of course, I've got a Garage Project beer here,

which is really perking me up. Oh, they did not pay for that. That's nice. Should we get beers? Do you have beers? I've got beers. I'll go get my beers because we're in my house. Yeah, we are.

We're in Jen's beautiful home in Annandale, Sydney. As you detailed in the last episode, Tim, we're in a back-to-back here. So this is two in two days, which of course is on the more gruelling end of the Sex and the City watching spectrum. Can you please describe your viewing conditions for me? In the studio on a big old widescreen,

I took the liberty of listening through some good speakers this time instead of headphones, and I really did notice the difference. This is predominantly a very well-mixed movie. I'm happy to hear that. So, because obviously you have been on the record as saying that, you know, you've had challenges watching the movie recently um this did something good for you yeah i was all right with it i'm not sure what it was i think possibly because it was during the daytime and sometimes it makes me very sad because it sort of

takes up daytime that i could be doing other things with but um it was raining out so it was kind of like a rainy day movie yeah you know it wasn't great but it wasn't certainly it didn't have anything on last watch emotionally you sound happier you seem healthier i just want to talk to jen is she back yet yeah jen had a little bit of a snafu with the beer opening your classic sort of um you know when you open up a beer and it foams up a little bit at the top and the foam comes over the top of the bottle you're trying to have a beer and the foam just comes out the top career's gonna be over when this gets out um yeah no i i uh i'm trying to be more of a host cheers by the way guy um you've done a great job of hosting i had a coffee on entrance an offering of a host. Cheers, by the way, guy. You've done a great job of hosting.

I had a coffee on entrance, an offering of a variety of cakes. Oh, yeah, because it was International Women's Day yesterday, right? Not in the world of the podcast, but certainly here in reality, yes. I did a gig yesterday. Nice. And they gave me a full box of like lamingtons which is an australian delicacy and new zealand is it new zealand has it made it over there yeah i see we have a gentle antagonist in our mix um and yeah so we our blood sugar off charts charts, I reckon, we're going to crash really hard. I crashed pretty hard during the watch, actually.

Yeah. So Tim sounds quite chipper. Jen, you have presumably seen this movie before. You're on the record on the podcast even as being a fan of the franchise, a fan of the series. Can you please describe before today the last time you engaged with Sex in the City, the movie? Oh, the movie? I haven't Sex and the City, the movie? Oh, the movie? I haven't seen since it was in the cinemas.

So I would have been 18 years old. And I watched it alone at George Street Cinemas in Sydney. I think I just had a big fight with my boyfriend. And I had to catch up with my girlfriends on the screen. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I watched it alone at like a midday screening. In hindsight, it was extremely grim.

How did you find it at the time? What do you remember thinking as you walked out of the cinema? I truly was in such a state of depression, I couldn't feel anything. Not from the movie, just from life? Just from life, and then also afterwards I walked out of it, and I was like, that was nothing. I felt nothing about that ah yeah yeah which like i feel like that's where you guys are at now having watched it a bajillion times or whatever i think we've moved

from nothing into quite an unhealthy area but you were had you seen all the series up to that point yep so you i mean you were the target market you were someone who would have been very excited to be reunited with these characters. I was ready to get carried away. Hey, you're quoting Samantha Jones's maid of honour speech at the rehearsal dinner. Did you pick up on that, Tim? Yeah, I heard it. Well, happy to hear it.

I'm here, I exist. Ten years, eleven years have passed uh jen how do you find the second screening um very irritating very saddening i i i don't know i just don't remember it being that bad like we watched sex in the City 2 together again. And I do remember like when I watched that movie the first time, I was like, yeah, this is bad. I don't remember Sex and the City, the movie, the first one, being as obnoxious.

Do you think, and this is something I fear when watching with guests, that my responses to and, you know, engagement with the movie while watching it had any impact. Do you think you have come to this conclusion totally independent of surrounding circumstance? Yes, I tuned you out. I barely acknowledge your existence within my home. I was largely chatting to my housemate.

That's so good. Yeah, I was just chatting to my housemate, Keisha, who also watched with us. Yeah, no, I did not register you, Guy, all your opinions, all your energy. Amazing. Not existing on my realm during that screening. Well, I mean, I can't think of a better time to tell you

we are on the same page with this movie, Jen. I mean, I can't believe you didn't pick up on any of the loud visual and verbal cues I was throwing around, you know, the lounge. Guy, I think you were paying attention to the wrong bit here. It sounds like you just got fucking cancelled by Jen Frecker, bro.

You're over. And do you know what? In 2019, two things are cancelled. Having big boobs and Guy Montgomery. Incorrect. If you've got big boobs, you can still have big boobs. And I just renewed myself for a new season. So go fuck yourself, Frixie.

Monty, back on the mic. Yeah, well, I mean, I guess i don't really know where to begin like was it were there any were there any care like in your relationship to the movie or the tv show in the franchise as you remember have you watched the show between seeing the movie last and seeing the movie now yeah yeah yeah i'm i re-watched the whole TV show. When was the last time I watched it? Because it's always on the planes here. Yeah, I see. So you can always get four or five different...

And is it the sort of show that you might just be like, I could watch an episode of that right now, and you just point it out? Yeah, and you have favourite episodes. You can be like, I just want to watch this episode. So you find it, you watch it. So I still have a lot of goodwill but then yeah the movies are just so different from the the sensibility of the tv show like the tv show

still felt very intimate whereas like the movies feel i don't know it's like turning the contrast or like the saturation up on a photo to the point where it doesn't resemble... What? Your, like... Yeah, yeah. The objects you initially tried to photograph. Yeah, yeah. The series was hashtag no filter and this is hashtag Valencia.

Mm-hmm. That's good to know. Do you think your relationship to the show or the characters within it has matured at all? I mean, are the characters in the film represented in the same way as they were in the show or the characters within it has matured at all? Like, do you, I mean, are the characters in the film represented in the same way as they were in the show? Or is it like you're dealing with bastardized versions of them? I guess it's the same.

I don't know, it's weird as well, because I'm now, like, approaching the age that they were at the beginning of the franchise. And they're, yeah, so it's, I guess they are the same, but the problem is they never learn any, like, lessons. They don't change or anything. There's no kind of character arc. And I think because we have experienced the golden age of television,

we're used to, like, flawed characters, but that being, like, the central drive of their like yeah it's embedded in their lives yeah whereas this is just more like it's almost way more sitcom-y than i remember yeah you know what i mean it's like almost the seinfeld rule of no no hugging no learning yeah totally but then on the other hand it wanted to be a show that wasn't that either it was like real talk with your gal pals but you don't i mean you don't you can't chart any serious uh self-growth or improvement in the characters across the series or into the movies i mean no because at the end like the the archetypes are like charlotte wants commitment and she gets it and then um

carrie wants to be with mr big but it's always a fucking hassle that's still yeah you're telling me um miranda's the sensible one who steve's a real thorn in her side but she loves him and samantha loves fucking and like across 20 years of this franchise none of that changes um you were actually delving quite deep into we were we were talking to him during the movie about the elevation and performance quality performance from miranda and steve in terms of actually being invested in their story uh could i just before we move on to that yeah what jen just said it so lines up with what i said like a few episodes now about how if the movie stopped 50 minutes before when it does from memory it's about an hour 42 i can't remember where the scene is it has such a better resolve because everyone's

actually in a different spot because like if you shave almost an hour off the movie samantha has learned that instead of just like fucking all the time that not only is it kind of cool to be in a committed relationship but also that you have to put a little bit of work into it because she has that scene where they decide you know they have a bit of a chat her and smith jarrett and they decide that they have to spend more time together in los angeles and like do a couple of things and reconnect so there's like a full arc for her um carrie finally loses this guy who has caused her so much fucking torment over what is it like two decades of her life yeah he's toxic clearly get rid of him she finally does like great and he heals and reconciles it as well like spends time creating

her own life again without him so what a great metamorphosis into a person who doesn't need this guy who's been in her life for 20 years just causing her grief they've caused each other grief but you know whatever whoever's to blame doesn't matter i think they're both better off without each other um at that point in the movie we've got charlotte who represents that like hey and also sometimes the relationships are real fucking cool and people have a good time in them so that that's kind of like that quadrant i think i think what happens in charlotte's story is the same as throughout the end of the movie which is nothing she's given nothing for us to be invested we did tell we did talk about this while we were watching it that charlotte um her resistance to the custom and cultures of mexico later informs her decision to become a trump voter

i think that's that's the origin story for charlotte yeah and now if you were to check in with her now she would would be full of remorse, but not enacting it in any meaningful or useful way. She would look her child of colour in the eye and say, I'm sorry. America was never that great. Oh, my God. And then who else have we got?

Fuck, that is Blake. Who else have we got left? Miranda. I think her story remains unresolved in that are you happy to see her and steve not together in that hypothetical world it's not it's not about me being happy it's about showing some characters on screen who are going somewhere and so with miranda i think what she's representing in life is a professional woman who is making her life work post-separation or divorce depending on what

your relationship status is which fully represents like a big portion of adults out there so it's kind of like i feel like there's good representation everyone's there everyone's in a different place to when they started and the thing is with miranda is that she finds real connection and solace with um getting back to be really close friends with Carrie, and it's through their mutual heartbreak. So there's kind of a lovely story there of women coming together because of their shitty men, which seems very, like, Sex and the City to me,

without having seen much of the TV show. Like, so over the Christmas holidays, I went on a binge of, like, Nancy Meyers films. Like, she directed What Women Want. It's Complicated. It's Complicated, The Parent Trap. The houses in her movies are so cool. Yeah, but all of her, and the holiday as well,

all of the, like, women in that, like, universe, the Nancy Meyers universe, are all just surrounded by shitty men. And really like, they're all sappy rom-coms, but ultimately like they're all rom-coms in the face of like men just being kind of a bit shit. I will not hear the good name of Dennis Quaid drag through the mud on this

podcast. Dennis Quaid. What about Mel Gibson? Yeah? What about Mel Gibson? Yeah. What about Mel Gibson? I don't give a fuck about Mel Gibson. I didn't stand up for Mel Gibson just then. No, yeah.

I mean, I agree. I actually pitched an even earlier conclusion to the movie, Tim. I mean, we have to tweak some of the plot. But what say instead of not getting married because he was disappointed that Carrie was wearing a veil some of the plot. But what say, instead of not getting married because he was disappointed that Carrie was wearing a veil outside of the library, Big just goes through with it and the movie ends at 45 minutes. What we have is a Carrie and Big wedding special.

It's the length of two episodes. And Bob's your uncle. Or he could just even roll down the window if he didn't want to get out of the car He could just roll down and be like Carrie Carrie Carrie

Carrie Carrie it's me It's big Carrie Samantha can you Can you get Carrie Miranda Are you guys pretending not to hear me Samantha can you can you get Carrie Miranda are you guys pretending not to hear me

no hold on I think I fully expected Jean to just say each of the four characters names for that team Charlotte Charlotte gay guys gay guys there's no jobs Charlotte! Charlotte! Gay guys! Gay guys with no jobs!

Oh my gosh. I would actually love to see that footage on the cutting room floor. That would round it out to an hour. A neat hour. Yeah. So 45 minutes of wedding prep, 15 minutes of him just yelling at the women. That's arthouse, man. him just yelling at the women that's art house man that's entering a world of artistic growth

and credits roll um well look i've been excited for this uh as long as i've known we were going to have a guest today i gave you a little bit of a heads up during the film jen that would be addressing this uh we have a segment called outside the lines with jen fricker now at one point in the film carrie bradshaw uses what can only be described as a stomach churning turn of phrase to describe her bond with big uh she says when big, he really stays inside the lines. What do you think that means? I think it might be like in modern day parlance, that Big rearranges her guts.

Can you say that again? Because that honestly didn't come through Rearrangers her what? Guts Wowee That is That is some fucking fair dinkum tune of phrase, Jen Yeah, to your credit

I have long thought that no one could say anything more disgusting Than Carrie Bradshaw does in that scene. And you've kicked in the door. It's a Twitter thing. Everyone says it. I've never heard it. All right. Well, you've never rearranged anyone's guts, clearly.

We're not on Australian Twitter. Yeah, fair enough. Or it's something to do with, I don't know. Just say it. Bad stuff. Maybe some ejaculation upon surfaces? Well, I mean, you've got a lot of good and exciting different theories in the air, but we're going to need to just stick to one.

I'm going to stick with the top idea because I think it was the strongest, that he literally rearranges her guts. With the power of his ejaculate or the length of his erect penis I mean all why not all like it's all part of it right the velocity

oh god you know they make love um let's fucking get into this I wish my wife was here actually because she she is a doctor and she knows about the human anatomy um jen you're a woman and i assume know a little bit about the female anatomy what so we've got a penis going into a vagina what what is getting rearranged and how i mean maybe the cervix is being so hammered that it is moving back up into the ribcage.

I really don't know about this riff, you guys. Fucking chill out, Monty. Go back to church. Jen and I are having a grown-up conversation. You're cancelled, dude. Remember? We cancelled you at the beginning of the podcast. Yeah, and I came back like a phoenix from the ashes.

We're uncancelling Mel Gibson and we're cancelling Guy Montgomery. No. You don't have to. A cervix, apparently. Are you Googling it? I'm only talking to you now. Yes. Like a...

Well, I'm in the sidecar for a condom. Like kind of a rolled up condom. Well, what? Like kind of a rolled up condom, but with a whole... like it's a ring that's sort of like shrivelly. Am I off? I mean, I guess. I've only ever like felt it. I've never seen it.

But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fair. We should do a watch for the gynecologist. I think it would be cool. Or maybe not. Yeah.

I don't know. Just a bruised cervix. You know? You know, guys? What happens if you get a dick too big? Well, actually... Like, too long, specifically. The vagina stretches after, like, four times its, like, size.

That's why... That's a lot. You might not know this Tim, but babies come out of vaginas. But like that's why foreplay is so important and also stretching. Like women need to be flexible before they have sex because otherwise if you don't warm up your muscles, you can tear them.

And that's how you get vaginal tears feel free to cut any of these quotes if you're listening at home please cut these quotes out and make them into a soundboard yeah i would really love that with no context why don't you get some friends around after school jump on the land line and do some old style crank yank and prank prank phone calls with Jen Fricker's gynecological soundboard. Samantha! With the vaginal tears, is that, like, is that tissue being ripped? Or is it, like, muscles fucking out?

I know you don't want to talk about the movie, but the lengths you are going to to avoid it, I feel like we are... I mean, I don't really know a lot about them, because, yeah, I don't know, I about the movie but the lengths you are going to to avoid it i feel like we i mean i don't really know a lot about them because yeah i don't know i guess it'd be tissue that definitely would be tissue damage i assume it would be much like like a torn calf muscle or whatever i don't know ask us definitely ask your wife should i go get her fuck i'm tempted she doesn't want to come on the podcast but but this could be helpful for this particular episode. I really don't think it's actually that important, Tim.

I mean, it's women's health, Guy. If you don't think that's important. Well, it's just that I think three comedians are not necessarily qualified to delve into the particulars, and this podcast was never designated specifically as a woman. Not that I'm against the totality or the direction of the tangent, the means by which we've landed here was meant to be a fun and playful exploration

of Carrie Bradshaw, a writer's awful turn of phrase. And yet here we are. Controversial comedian Guy Montgomery does not care about women. And thus, he is cancelled. I'm still going. Tune in. Lots more episodes coming out. And they're actually really good, clean fun that the whole family can get behind.

He's been shifted to the worst time slot to try and alleviate his harm on the world. No, no. I'm primetime, baby. I'm part of the ABC's Sunday Fun Day lineup. Sandwiched between Kevin James and Matt LeBlanc. I don't think you are, baby. I'm part of the ABC's Sunday Fun Day lineup. Sandwiched between Kevin James and Matt LeBlanc. I don't think you are, dude. Here you are inviting people to come onto the podcast, go, what do you think of this?

And then it gets a little bit hairy for you, so you shut it down. Doesn't sound like primetime to me, mate. It sounds like the graveyard shift. It sounds like a YouTube web series with 30 episodes too many well yes i think there's no such thing as too many videos on youtube the whole point is that we can all put our videos up and if i want to make 30 more videos than people want to watch that's my prerogative

i don't come around to your house and tell you what to talk about. Although I have. You've literally come into my home. You've had my coffee. You've had my cake. You are drinking my beer. And I can't believe Guy is now supporting Milo Yiannopoulos as well. What a weird turn this podcast has taken. So weird. Everyone should be able to do anything on YouTube.

Like, what the fuck? Weird Guy, weird take. Yeah, it's a weird take You know he was listening to Michael Jackson Before we started this podcast That's so fucked up Was it the song that samples R. Kelly in it? Yes Or actually vice versa

No I was Okay, look, we're having fun And we're having a laugh. And I'm tired and I'm vulnerable and I'm in a corner, but I will not lie down. Do you know what's like going to be lovely about this? Is that I'm going to re-listen to the first podcast we did

where I kind of just met you guys. Like I didn't really know you, so I was being very polite and then cut forward i don't know how many years it's been but i'm really enjoying this oh well as long as you're having fun yeah i'm having fun there's you know what it is it's a growth of the characters i see unlike the arc of this movie okay now this is a conversation that might be in my wheelhouse if we are talking sex in the city the movie which feels we are tim i'm going to tell you about my shining light to try and bring some uh levity to this conversation now so weird that you wouldn't direct that at tim and jen but please i'd love to hear your shining

light he's not even looking me in the eye anymore i am genuinely sorry guy it's just it's just it's no no i'm just too easy now it's easy and fun yeah kick me um there was a when when charlotte excitedly announces the engagement of carrie to uh uh you know a whole restaurant of uninterested patrons who are just trying to have a meal. A lot of different tables of extras choose different reactions, different tacks to the news. Charlotte's excitement and screaming would be enough to infuriate, I imagine, even the most lucid of diners. But there is a table of woman directly behind where Miranda, Charlotte and Carrie

are having a meal and when charlotte says and she's been going out with the guy for 10 years and all of them i don't know what take this was make the same decision and it looks fantastic because when you see you know actors or characters supporting one another with the same decision it really like creates a reality to the world they're all sort of excitedly nodding and looking at each other like going, wow, Tanya, that's a long time to be going out. And if you are interested in marriage, just not have that.

And that whole table, that whole performance this week really brought some light into my life and my watch. Yeah. It's not too enthusiastic either. It's the right amount of energy. Yeah, it's a perfectly pitched performance. That's cool.

Yeah, there you go. It's a new one too, you know. It's good to have some new ground uncovered on these things. Absolutely. Jen, do you want to go next up? Yeah, sure, I can go next up. Rock it. A moment I really enjoyed is when Miranda and Carrie are in the taxi miranda's been waiting in the taxi for carrie

to get home and uh they're making up and uh i can't remember what miranda says but the taxi driver there's just a cut to the taxi driver nodding in agreement it's what care i can tell you exactly what oh what's the ahead, Tim. It's forgiveness. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And the taxi driver just nods in agreement. And I like that.

And it made me intrigued in the taxi driver's story. I was like, what's his deal? So many stories in New York City. It was also nice because I know watching it on other occasions when I don't notice the nod. Because I know watching it on other occasions when I don't notice the nod, it feels like his lively, not his first livelihood, but certainly his afternoons being hijacked by these two people who really should be sorting through their private problems, you know, in their own space and on their own time.

But to see him sort of actually engaging with the conversation and maybe either agreeing or taking something away from it, it's quite heartening. And it's one of the you really the few times he said it's resonated with something in his personal experience yeah like he's gonna go home that night and forgive i don't know his kids mel gibson mel gibson guy montgomery like any of those people might get that forgiveness because of the conversation it's one of the and it's genuinely one of the few times when we see the the characters providing value or contributing positively to the lives of anyone who isn't immediately in their orbit like no one gets anything out of their being around it's so true holy that's really, that's profound and so damning.

Yeah, everyone just gets something taken away from them, really. Yeah, it's just like, they're just vacuums of fun and like positive energy. Literally everyone who's not the- And is so rich. Everyone who's not like the central four is either like married into the central four a child of the central four or paid to support the central floor and that's it yeah and then everyone else is like they they have terrible we've talked about it before tim they treat white staff terribly which is one of the most you know well-known litmus tests for the quality of a person um absolutely but this is not what

the shining light's about tim what did you enjoy fuck that's that's so that is shaking me to my core man that's so true actually literally yeah okay i can think of one person that got something out of these women and their lives which is when miranda's screaming at steve outside the club and then some girl walks past and she laughs and she's like what the fuck's going on do you know that is almost entirely to do with her own joy de vivre and nothing to do with like miranda is doing her best to drag the energy of everyone else's night down by like publicly chastising her former partner again in a public space i mean i know there's no good time or places for these conversations but show a little bit of respect

uh and what we have is just some woman who's probably you know up to her gills on some a-class md just charging through the night being like oh my god that would suck if that was happening in my night what the fuck's going on yeah it's in spite of not because of i think i think it reaffirms her choices she's like can i ask a on movie question which will delight monty just around that scene because one of the things miranda says is i changed who i was for you and like i kind of feel like um that's sort of on miranda like that's a choice you made yeah for sure you changed for him it's like well you did that then you know i agree i don't think that it's fair to hold that over someone as though it was for it was forced on you like relationships that function are built on compromise and understanding you You can't then, if the relationship doesn't pan out,

be like, I made compromises within this relationship for you because that's, you know, you actually talk, you were speaking about that, Jen. Oh, their attachment styles. Oh, I've become obsessed with like relationship attachment styles because everyone has different ones. And I was telling my therapist about it. And I wrote it down.

Oh, let me get my notes out. Hold on. Oh, bloody hell. I've got to... Do you want to quickly slip your shining light in while Jen preps her notes? Oh, yeah. I've got it, Lou.

Really? I'm so on the hook. Okay. Just interrupt me at any point. No, Jen's ready. So consider yourself interrupted. All hook. Okay. Just interrupt me at any point. No, Jin's ready. So consider yourself interrupted. All right. Cool.

So attachment style is like how people act within relationships and how they express like their, I don't know, their intimacy, I guess, whatever. So like Miranda has an avoidant attachment style where she doesn't really want to like share her feelings or be vulnerable like in the orbit of the person that she loves but then steve has like an anxious insecure attachment style when he needs to be constantly reaffirmed and they're maladjusted for each other so it's always going to cause conflict but because they've never worked on who they are as a couple but always as like individuals just working within

like a relationship framework they're always getting into these scraps and if that i guess you know in the movie that goes unaddressed for long enough that you see one of the two act out in a way which is damaging to both of them and steve cheating on miranda not just once but with literally every single other character in the movie including the dog according to becky lucas only i know i would like to support that theory tim and i initially floated that steve cheated with smith jared because they were having a conversation about how challenging they found it to be in a relationship with two people in such a close-knit group of friends. And

eventually that conversation sort of ran deep into the night and they started fooling around. And from there that opened up Steve's sexuality entirely. And because obviously him and Miranda you know, four reasons that you have outlined just now are having trouble with physical intimacy at home he sort of goes on what can only be described

as an out and out fuck spree um fuck spree a fuck spray he's coloring inside the lines he's coloring outside the lines guts are getting arranged downtown and off town that's right every every one of the five boroughs yeah it doesn't matter who you are it doesn't matter what kit you've got steve is interested now from brooklyn to the bronx bring it on for steve um what was your shining light tim it was Magda when she and Brady and Miranda are going around shopping for a new apartment. And when Miranda goes up the stairs of the apartment and Magda's just left there with Brady going, oh, okay, oh, no, oh, oh, no.

And it's when Miranda goes up the stairs brady meets a big dog on the street left the mic squarely on magda so it's like a wide shot but you're hearing too much of magda which i think is good because we don't hear enough from magda in the movie um it's unfortunate that it's not like you know a full sentence or anything but off the back of last episode where we showed our appreciation for Magda, I think I was probably a bit attuned for her scenes. So that was my shine. How did you enjoy Magda's growth across the series, Jen?

Actually, that's a good question because, you know, the first time Magda appears in the franchise, she's Miranda's cleaner. And she goes through Miranda's drawers and finds Miranda's vibrators and then replaces them with a statue of the Holy Virgin, I believe. And so it's quite a tense relationship initially. But now I like that, you know, she trusts Magda with her own child. As if Magda was... Did Miranda stick it to her and shove that statue in her vagina? I mean, I assume so.

Not on camera. Not on camera. It's implied, but not shown. I think it's implied. Yeah, for sure. Do you feel at any point, do you see it happen? It's implied, but not shown. I think it's implied. Yeah, for sure. Do you feel at any point, do you see it happen? Because obviously we're entering this relationship.

I mean, we entered it in the second movie, but from the information that Tim and I have collected, we've only got two movies worth of interpersonal relation and professional relationships between Magda and the Brady Hobbs family. Do you see the disintegration and respect shown or like acknowledgement of the amount of work that Magda is putting into raising Brady? Do you actually see that realised at all in the show

or do you think that they just sort of assume that everyone who watches the movie know that they have a good relationship and they take it as read and sort of forget to... Yeah, I think at the end of that episode where she finally kind of appreciates Magda, that's it. Like, that's the most kindness and, like, that's just, the audience just has to buy that that means that they're friends

and have this unbreakable bond now. And then you see in this movie where Miranda wants to leave the restaurant before Magda has even finished her meal. Yeah. Because she her meal. Yeah. Because she's tired. Yeah. And that's like completely representative of their relationship where Magda doesn't even voice her own discomfort.

Yeah. It just goes along with whatever. In the immediate aftermath of talking about, and look, you know, I've never had anyone in my employ to look after my child full time. So maybe this is just how you talk about it. But when her and Steve first separate and she says, I'll live here and, you know, Steve will live in Brooklyn and Magda will shuttle back and forth between. You know, it's taken as read that Magda, who is a woman of, you know, not insignificant age at this point, is just happy to adapt to whatever the new reality of their life is.

Yeah, absolutely. How cooked is that? this point is just happy to adapt to whatever the new reality of their life is yeah absolutely how cooked is that anyway i mean we are really sticking up for magda right now and i like that um do you know the actor from kansas city missouri is she yeah not even ukrainian i mean with that accent you could be forgiven for mistaking her for a ukrainian dude we didn't get to the bottom of whether or not she's Ukrainian in the show. It's just that they are going into a neighbourhood which used to be old Ukraine. Her words, not mine. Because I don't think Ukraine is a thing.

Open parenthesis, S-I-C. Close parenthesis. Sick. Can I tell you something? No. That final brunch scene after the wet like just before so you're gonna follow the rules of you know i normally do i normally do the wedding the final wedding the actual wedding at city hall has happened and then the gals are

revealed and then they're all at brunch this is like just before the movie ends um one of the servers comes over and says ham and eggs but this time i heard it as emin egg eminem's sir i just was kind of in love with the idea of someone bringing like a uh what do you call it like a platter like a silver beautiful silver platter with a big dish on top of it some uh some servant man bringing just a huge bowl of that's how i imagine because we've already brought it up this episode, that's how Trump rolls. He just gets served a big old bowl of M&M's.

Better than a big bowl. The funniest possible presentation of those M&M's would be to fill up the silver bowl-like serving platter that sits atop the tray. So turn it upside down, fill it up with M&M's, take the tray, put it on top of it so that it seals off the M&M's, then flip it back over and you take it down and you say M&M's and then they remove the top

and it is just a disaster. Like a Sony Bravia ad. You just got it in slow motion. Jose Gonzalez's cover of Heartbeats plays. that is a deep cut and i'm so glad you came with me on that body when you first started saying sony bravi i was like i have no idea what the fuck you're gonna anyway but yeah jose gonzalez what's he doing well last i, he was on a 07 album in like 2007. I think musicians of that size usually go on to have pretty solid, like if unspectacular careers.

I think he's probably just a touring musician who puts out a studio album every three years, has enough carryover fans to sell out, I guess, 300 seat theaters. Playing like a late afternoon festival spot somewhere. Absolutely, yeah. yeah okay that's what you want though right like that seems so ideal you've got a certain amount of job security you get to travel the world but it's fucking chill people probably don't recognize you walking down the street you get the odd person coming up to you saying can i get a picture which would like

boost your ego a sufficient amount but it wouldn't get in the way yeah i get the only demoralizing part would be that you know when you play those festivals people are only showing up for the encore because everyone's like who is that guy he sounds familiar and then they hear you know the iconic opening chords of heartbeats and they go oh my god also brutal to be best known for a cover yeah yeah like that's his entire no it was written by the knife oh fuck sorry okay you're right he had a good song he had this song crosses that was a beauty went through a real period of liking listening to that music because i thought it would make me i don't know more interesting oh or like it sucks bro you listen to music so you thought it'd make you more interesting i'm sorry you're you're you're hella interesting guy you don't need that shit well yeah because of all the hard work and

research i've put in in my 30 years every morning i wake up i write out a list of things i could or could not talk about i strike half of them from the list and the rest of the day anything outside of those topics i'm woefully all prepared for but as soon as anything lights up within those those limited range of topics i'm fucking prepared you're there yeah may i share a quivel i have with the movie do you say quivel i did and I immediately regretted that no no no Tim please share your quibble I'm quivering with anticipation yeah yeah I have no I have no quibble with you sir we never get to see the desk that Carrie actually settled on there's a like kind of a scene built around the fact that she's shopping for one with Charlotte. And there's a mention of it when we're at the baby shower, I think, which is at Carrie's newly redecorated place.

Anthony comes up to her and says, a woman put a glass down on your new desk without a coaster. And I, you know, I said, if she does it again, I'm going to break her fricking arm. Yeah. But we never get to see the mentioned, the off-mentioned desk. Yeah. I got shortchanged. In the director's cut as well yeah i was explaining to jen just how lucky she was to be treated to the full version of sex in the city i mean who knows what the movie would be without the iconic

walk-in wardrobe dress-up scene and the halloween trick-or-treating scene yeah it definitely changed my perspective. I had a quibble not so much with information withheld, but certainly the professionalism of Carrie and Big's real estate agent early on. And it's sort of surprising to me that it hasn't occurred to us so far, so maybe it has and we just haven't vocalised it. I wrote this down, this episode. It's the first time it occurred to me too.

I wonder if we've got the same thing overstepping the mark no nah we're different things no okay I don't mean in terms of

like production or filmmaking language I mean in terms of when the the guy who's showing them around the penthouse goes your wife has a

great sense of humour or whatever doesn't give either Carrie or Big an opportunity to address their relationship or let that joke slide and just steps in and goes, they're not married. Stay in your lane. Oh, you're talking about their real estate agent,

the one they're rocking around with, the woman. Yeah. Oh, you got beef with the dude? Yeah, I do got beef with the dude, bro. What's your beef? Check this out. That when they first walk in, his opening line is, and the kitchen's through here.

It never occurred to me before, but that is what he opens with to carry him big. They don't know, bro. You can't open with, and the kitchen's through here. They haven't seen any of it yet. Hold on. To me, the problem would be that he hasn't addressed the room that they're already in.

You know, you've got to start selling straight off the bat. You want to say, look at the beautiful, well-lit entranceway. Your problem is what? That they don't have enough context to know what through here is. So, actually, the apartment is the first one that they go into. I didn't mention that. Oh, okay. It's like at the start.

So they come in and they go, what number is this? It's number 33. Lucky 33. So they walk in and their woman real estate agent bowls up to them and says, this is the worst one so far. And then he says,

and the kitchen's through here. So I assume he's talking to the other real estate agent but it's like my bro your two potential buyers just walked in maybe that's not how you open a sales pitch it seems a small note now that i've verbalized it i know this is but this is the beauty of it this is the stuff that you know i mean when you're panning for gold um you're gonna come up against a lot of dirt and you know what yep hearing that it's made me realize if someone does it in real life it would really annoy me so i'm gonna look out for that yes nice thanks jen can i jen can i share a quiver yes please. Please. Quivel on. All right. My quivel is when the gals go to Mexico

and Carrie asks Miranda to close the shutters and Miranda only closes one of four panels. So 75% of the room like light source is still on and then she's like all of them as if it wasn't like very apparent what was going to happen like carriers called into bed she's very tired she's asked miranda to close the shutters. And Miranda's literally just closed one. Like, as if she's never... Miranda's one of those incredibly intelligent, book smart people with no logical or practical application.

She's like, close the shutters. And she just immediately responds to whatever is in her periphery. And then it's like, I've done it. Now I can go on and do my next task. Yeah. And it's also like the shutters the furthest away from Carrie's face. So she's not getting any benefit of shade or darkness. And ironically, the shade and darkness has been thrown by Jen to that very action.

We're having fun. Wordplay. Wordplay. Could we do a fun thing we don't normally do? And we actually got a message about this a few guests ago. Some people out there, they want this bit resurrected. And maybe we close with this guy unless there's anything I've forgotten. Could we get a little pitch from Gene Fricker for what Sex and the City 3 would be?

What about... Should we get a pitch for... I guess, yeah. Could we get a pitch for Sex and the City 2? Or is that nonsense? You've seen it, haven't you? Me? We've all seen it.

Yeah, I've seen it. So you want me to pitch for Sex and the City 3? I think you should just pitch a new part of the Sex and the City universe. Right. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the extended universe. You can just be like, look. Graphic novel. Yeah, there's still value in the city universe right okay yeah yeah yeah like the extended universe you can just be like look the graphic novel yeah there's still value in the there's still value in the franchise

here's my idea you know what they should do actually well you know what they should do you should you you're talking to us so tell us what we should do we need i remind you that tim and i are very high powered and wealthy movie executives We've got a lot of money. We're interested in pursuing anything that could be lucrative for us. And you, some young upstart, pocket full of ideas, have come into our office and are ready to knock our socks off. Yeah. It's kind of the condescending attitude I expect

from older male executives in the entertainment industry as a young creative. I have actually been working for 10 years but that's fine anyway well there's a very hostile time to start the meeting off on um okay so we met the girls of sex in the city yes we have we have, haven't we, Tim? Yes. But have you met the gay

dudes of Sex in the City? Well, kind of, yeah. Well, I just want to know more about Stanford Blatch and Angry Guy, whatever his name is. Anthony Scaramucci.

Yeah. The Mooch. I want to understand more. Okay. I'm setting the scene. Hold on. Let me start again. Yeah, please.

2019. Trump's America. There's a whole new discourse of social justice. There's a whole new... Boo! Boo! You'll have to excuse my associate. Charlotte, a Trump voter. But her two best friends are gay dudes and her child is a child

of color so i want like a 20 part netflix series okay based around the fracturing society in which Charlotte and her extended family find themselves in. Now, Jen, I'm going to ask you a question I want you to answer totally honestly. Did you prepare this, or are you literally just making all of this up as you go along? What? Well, it just feels like you've come in with no materials. The sort of cadence in the way you're speaking it doesn't have i said something to it have i said something i've said you i'm gasping guy i'm gasping netflix intersectionality series this is gonna be great we're gonna have mugs we're gonna have t-shirts

tim your network executive character is all over the map Previously you were booing the notion of social consciousness and now you're championing Netflix and intersectionality It's because I know what sells even the stuff I don't like So long as it's all underpinned by one consistent capitalist through line, I'm happy with the decisions you've made so far

It's called Orange is the New Blatch Okay Yeah, I get it I get it, is it because Donald Trump Right. It's called Orange is the New Blatch. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I get it. Is it because Donald Trump is a character unseen but ever present in the series? It's because one of the guys goes to jail. Oh, okay. Yeah.

So it's just a more direct thing. It's like a show that Netflix has already made. Yeah. But you get people from an HBO show and you put them in that show. Well. Crossover. Crossover. I love it.

Crossover universe. I'm going to go against my better interests and say I'm interested in what you've got here. I'm going to give you a $200 million advance. Thank you. To turn in a pilot episode within the next two years. One pilot episode for 200 years. This would fucking work. Are you kidding me? There's so many aspects that this hits. We've got the

struggle of Charlotte coming to grips with her newfound Judaism and like, does she actually believe in the faith or is she just trying to wear this cape so she can stay happy in her marriage without causing too many ripples? Do we have um interesting conflicts about you know uh fuck what's your name again rose lily lily fuck damn it with um

like struggling lily struggling about not being the biological daughter but um you know being the daughter nonetheless and the the interesting things that that throws up uh do we have any interesting dynamics around the fact that charlotte is kind of a complainy i don't know it just seems like she doesn't have a whole lot going on i can't even remember what harry does for a living but it seems like he's in a suit so he must be going somewhere he yeah oh it's a divorce lawyer no yeah you see that that's how they met when charlotte got divorced from that guy yeah it was harry and then uh he was a divorce lawyer for that divorce the really weird thing is i um haven't watched a lot of sex

in the city but i remembered that dude, yesterday I was thinking about this after we did our record, and I was like, that's right, because I know exactly what he looks like. And I think I've seen a couple of episodes that he's in. He's got pretty much jet black hair. I don't know how else to describe him. Oh, Kyle MacLachlan. He looks like he's about 45. Hey?

Kyle MacLachlan, the original husband? I mean, I don't know names, but what was the character's name? Do you know? Kyle MacLachlan, the original husband? I mean, I don't know names, but what was this character's name? Do you know? Kyle MacLachlan. Oh, no, the actor is Kyle MacLachlan. Oh, Trey. Trey, that's it. Trey can't get it up.

Oh, yeah, Trey, Trey. Yeah, I think it's Trey that I'm thinking of. Oh, that's cool. So there you go. Anyway, all I'm saying is it's a fabulous idea. I genuinely would, I think that would really work as a series. Look, honestly, it was more of an earnest thing that I tried later to turn to a joke, and I'm not proud of it, honestly.

But, you know. I think you have sincere buy-in from Tim. Thank you, Tim. And you have $200 million of my hard-earned. I mean, I do regret offering it to you in return for one pilot over two years. I think I've made a huge financial misstep and this will cut me down at the knees. Yeah.

But I agreed to it. Verbal contracts are binding. Thank you. Congratulations to you. You've swindled me. Yeah, great. Awesome. I'm cancelled.

You know how you just said Kyle McLaughlin's name like instantly because you knew the answer. Are you one of those people who just knows, bless you, who just knows everyone in Hollywood's names? Like you just know all of the people? Kyle McLaughlin is a very famous actor. Like he's quite well known. Like he was in Twin Peaks.

He was the main character in Twin Peaks. Oh, he's in the Flintstones movie. Is he? Yeah, he's the villain in the flintstones i mean there you go oh my god two huge examples that was genuine i love it i love it fuck do you have anything to add tim nothing's going to top what you just said let's end it uh jen it's been such a pleasure having you and i'm so gutted i'm not there with you to hang out that's all i have to add we're hugging across the tasman i'm not my arms are pinned to my sides you piece of shit kicking me in the guts the whole episode jen where can people find you on social

media you can find me on instagram jen fricker with a g or facebook but i don't really update my facebook page it's mostly instagram yeah nice why would you i deleted my twitter um did you yeah yeah not unlike the like i deleted my twitter like oh i'm so socially like cool just in like a why am i chasing the opinions of people i wouldn't even speak to in a room you know fuck good shit you that's so healthy oh god that's good i'm putting a lot more time into reddit now so it's a lot darker i feel i've got a red pill hey i would love to get off reddit i've been on that wheel for a very very long time do you know what it is it's because you work in radio yeah absolutely that's the only reason i started looking at reddit because

i was like i need content for the show yeah and it's all aggregated there i never got into it fuck because you didn't work in radio yeah get a job in radio. No. Gosh. No. All right, that's the episode. Thanks so much. This is Guy Montgomery signing off. Not cancelled. We just have a good rhythm together, you know. He sort of feels me out, I feel him out. And we go for it.