The Worst Idea Of All Time - 30: Long Story Short (w/ PJ Harding)

Episode Date: April 4, 2019

Our old mate (and current Kiss 101.1FM host in Melbourne) PJ Harding joins the boiz for their 30th watch and asks the question; Does going through with this project watch after watch show weakness or strength? The trio try to get to bottom of Steve v Miranda, discuss solo drinking in airports and hotels, examine the food of Sex and The City and share EVEN more personal stories of self-defecation.@pjdeejay (Personal Insta) & @jaseandpj (Radio Insta) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We just have a good rhythm together, you know, he sort of feels me out, I feel him out, and we go for it. Hello and welcome along to the Worst Idea of All Time, Season 4, Episode 31, I think. A podcast in which Tim Batt and myself, Guy Montgomery, watch and review Sex and the City not once a week, but twice a week for half a year at warp speed. And I'm joined, as is Tim, although not in the physical realm, by our very special guest this week. She's a friend of the Frosty Fellas

and a friend of the podcast. You might know her from the airwaves on Kiss FM here in Melbourne, Australia. And if you're not listening in Melbourne, Australia, you won't know her at all. It's Polly Harding. PJ. PJ. I've got two names.

But you had to change your name in a classic show business twist because there was already someone working in radio called Polly. Very, very well-known person. And I couldn't really step on that territory. So we had to come up with another name. And they were like, do you have a middle name?

I was like, don't have a middle name. It's very short-sighted, though, isn't it? Because with due respect to Polly Senior, your meteoric star is on the rise. And I can't remember the last time I heard from her, but she started writing some pretty fucking out there columns in the newspaper, I think. Do you remember any of those, Tim?

Fuck, she did, didn't she? Yeah. Yeah, man. Just now, because you brought it up. I forgot about that. Pauline Gillespie is her name, if you want to look her up. And that means that PJ will now no longer participate in this conversation.

No, very great. Great broadcaster. Very successful. I just didn't want to walk into any territory. No, very great. Great broadcaster. Very successful. I just didn't want to walk into any territory. I was very young. I was a young gun and just thought I'd change my name. And here I am.

But so now, for example, I've known you since we were much younger. Yeah. And I've always known you as Polly. Yes. Before you were a media personality, PJ Harding. Correct, yeah. You were my cousin's friend polly harding and then now it's taken hold to the to the point whereby you you like you are as much pj as you are polly it's weird that is weird pj used to be the cool version of me what in school no or professionally

professionally like it was the cooler version more more sensitive and stuff. But I could only keep that up for like a year or two and then the real Polly came through. So I don't even know which one's cooler anymore. Isn't that when you break through to another level of like broadcasting and skill is when you're like you let the front down and you go, and by the way, I'm actually incredibly complex because people contain multitudes. That's it, guy.

That's exactly what's happened. Yeah. Yeah. How are you going, Tim? I'm going alright. Just enjoying the banter, to be honest. PJ and I have an origin story as well because we used to work for the same

company. We were at different radio stations, but we worked for the same company. We did a podcast together, Tim. We did. It didn't do very many episodes. I'm not sure if it ever got online either. What were we talking about? I would love to hear about this. I probably got it somewhere.

I think, fuck, God, I can't even remember what we talked about. It's probably... Did it have a name? Fuck. It's hard to... I reckon I'll have the file somewhere and I reckon I'll definitely never put them out. Obviously groundbreaking stuff.

Yeah, between you, at least you can remember the premise. A whiff of a premise. So it's Tim and Polly or PJ. And Will was there too. A guy called Will. And a guy called Will. And what would you talk about um being yeah i'm assuming pop culture i think it might have been around pop culture

which i know nothing i literally know nothing about well it's a crying shame this podcast didn't continue because it sounds like you guys had a real rapport a real chemistry and a red hot premise to tear into week in week out yeah you miss it so much you've literally erased it from your memory there's a better but there's a we're not pj and tim story which is that um i was i sorry guy i can't hear you very well because of how we're talking to each other so i'm just gonna probably run rough shot over a lot of what you say so you can kind of just fucking deal with that my guy um but pj and i saw each other uh probably about a month ago at the airport because what were you didn't you like just post on instagram that you were getting quietly slammed

by yourself at the airport because you had a flight delay yeah um so i was flying into auckland and then to wellington or christchurch but the flight was delayed because there was rubbish weather and i was at the pub drinking beer and i was like what do i do put it on instagram see if anyone's around and then tim literally walks around the corner and he's like hey man and i was like hey and uh well you know for fear of repeating the same mistake I made in asking what your podcast was, what did you two talk about? It was the best use of Instagram stories ever. Because it wasn't that I, like, just turned up in the real world.

I was just flicking through my phone because I got to the airport too early. And you popped up and you're like, I'm bored and just getting quietly drunk by myself. Yeah, I'm so glad glad you came along we had a grand old time together catching up you know when you drink in public by yourself it's frowned upon unless you're at the airport yeah in which case the logic is well it's evening time somewhere so fill your boots mate is that what it's about is it cool to be alone at a hotel bar drinking i know do you know i've always thought it is though because uh because of movies you see that like you often see the the lead character having a drink by themselves and they don't even go on their phone they're not reading or anything they're just sitting there with a drink and you're

like oh my god what an intriguing and brooding figure i'd love to try and emulate that and then you go sit and have a drink by yourself in a hotel bar and you look like a fucking psycho especially if you don't have a phone or a book they're like okay well this person is planning to kill all of us so true it's my safeguard like if i go out for lunch i have to have a device in front of me i always it's just your backup i only go without my phone because it's the only time i get to where i'm not like where i if it's not physically on me i'm not going on it but if it's on my person my muscle memory drives my hand into my pocket but anyway that's all by the by so you guys caught up is the the if i'm catching the

the wind of this conversation correctly the three of us have been talking for about eight minutes so far we've covered a podcast we can't remember and a shared drink at the airport well you know it's the good stuff yeah yeah chewing the fat this is straight off the top shelf with PJ Harding. Can I just say this? I love PJ so much. I love the quality of my banter. What did he marry you then? From years and years ago, because PJ also used to come on the TV show, which is how Guy and I met, the one that Guy used to host.

PJ had a segment, I had a segment. And I always knew you were going to be a star, Paige. So I'm delighted to have you on and i cannot wait to crack your head open and scoop out your thoughts that's the worst metaphor i could have imagined um on sex in the city the movie oh i'm thrilled to be here and thank you so much for the kind words tim i really appreciate that well so we we've just finished our screening we watched it together it was wonderful for me to be in the company of someone else uh i ruined it because

he sung over all the music trying to show off that he knew all the lyrics to every song even when it was a song that featured on the tv on the movie yeah it's cool i'm cool i'm quite relaxed too which i think is what a lot of people like about me. But so as we were watching it, I was saying, I said to you, Polly, I said, Tim, when we talk to Tim, he's going to be really depressed. Yeah. And before we talk about our viewing experience, I just think it's important to check in, Tim. How are you? How was your watch i'm doing okay but do you know this this hasn't happened before but i almost i this is how much i didn't want to watch it because i knew i had to watch it last night and i didn't i went fuck this i'm gonna watch some netflix i'm gonna be nice to myself and just give myself a

goddamn break i've been working very hard on this self-care 2019 that's that's it that's what i'm all about this year, PJ. I've been working on this bit of work, and it just took up the last two weeks. I've been doing nothing but, and I'm very unhappy with the finished product I've produced anyway. It's a script, by the way. It's a pilot script for an idea I came up with,

and I finished it. Congratulations. I'd like to read it. God, it sucks so much. It's terrible, but it's submitted now. It's like finishing an assignment at university and you just get to the end and you're like this doesn't even make any fucking sense but i guess i'm out of time now so you hand it in but you probably just read it over and over and over it's probably not it's an important part of the creative process to believe

that you have no value and that you suck isn't it isn't it so um so i was like fuck it i'm gonna watch netflix and then um i woke up this morning i was like you know i haven't done in way too long gone for a run so i went for a little run and then i got back i was like oh fuck i genuinely thought you were gonna say watched sex in the city well i did i did after i got back from my run but i came so close to just not watching it because i came back and i was in the shower i was like fuck i've got to watch the goddamn movie like today and i was like what if i just don't and i won't lie to pj and guy about it i'll tell them i'll tell them what i've done but what if i just didn't watch it and i was this close to you guys

i'm not gonna lie to you Tim I've thought about doing that before I never I yeah and do you know the saddest part is not in thinking about doing it but it's that for whatever reason you can't like it's not that

you didn't want to it's that you physically found it impossible to just do something as simple as not watching sex in the city for the 31st time like you have some impulse rooted deep within your system that said no i must and there's no reason for that what part of the man compels themselves to do that to oneself? Is it weakness or is it strength? Well, that's it. That's the question, right?

I don't know. Yeah. I don't know if you should be really proud of yourself or disappointed. I think it's weakness. I think it's weakness. I think strength is asserting yourself over that because it's a i agree is it a drug is this a drug it's not a drug it's not a drug it's not that it's the familiarity of it there is is yeah as terrible as it is there is like that warm familiar blanket effect that this movie has by returning to it and you know and you know that you're in like this comfortable space and you you know it's

not exactly it's utterly predictable there's no risks uh so well with but in this world that is so unknown right now do you think that you kind of do get a sense of comfort knowing you've got okay well i think it's a good question i think you as well as anyone a position to answer it as someone who just watched the movie with me do you think i looked comfortable um i'd say we started off pretty well like you were actually handling it pretty well um but it was towards the end i really noticed a sudden decline in your state. It was like, he started walking around the room,

Tim, and he got the rug from the couch and he put it over his head as a shield from the content that was coming off the television. So I was a bit worried, but then he sort of settled and I was like, okay, we swear. And we had about 15 minutes of just chill time.

He was engaged. And then he got up again. He went to the toilet like three times throughout the movie as well. I don't know if that was a strategy. No, I've been working on my hydration, so I've got to wee a lot. He's got a very weak bladder. No, I've got a good bladder. But if I'm watching a movie that I don't want to watch and there's a toilet nearby,

I'm going to do a wee. Yeah, so I don't think it is a comfort. I mean, I understand the logic of what you're saying, but I don't think... But routine? Well, that's why we got back into it. We both didn't have a lot going on, and we were like, if we do this, at least we have each other,

we have something to look forward to, we have something to hang our hat on. Like, even if we don't have a productive day or week, we've done something, even though it's nothing, we have achieved this thing. But now we're deep in the middle of it and it feels awful would you link this back to the concept around you being a vegetarian which you were saying earlier today how this is one of the only things you have discipline within your life and so much like sex in the city you do it because you feel like you've got some sense of accomplishment oh it's so grim because it's accurate yeah i don't eat meat in the same way i watch sex in the city

just because it's the only it's one of the only instances in my life i can think of in which i exercise any self-control this is why pj's such a great broadcaster she is like david attenborough but for human beings your ability to just laser into the core of someone that's that's some deep shit anyway i'm sick of talking about us though because it feels like we're wasting polly's brain what did you make of this gosh darn film um i was kind of surprised with how I reacted. I wasn't expecting to be so connected with the intertwined love stories. I really felt affected by, you know, particularly Steve.

I had a lot of empathy for Steve. Normally I'd be like cheating scumbag, but I really got into the position he was in and i didn't like miranda for a good portion of the film and i was like why am i so attached to this and then um and then also mr big like i really i don't know i was on a bit of a roller coaster with him it was up and down i didn't trust him at the beginning and then at the end i was like you are right for carrie i want to hear about the I was on a bit of a roller coaster with him. It was up and down. I didn't trust him at the beginning and then at the end, I was like, you are right for Carrie. I want to hear about the Miranda thing a bit more.

So this is interesting. So you were very Team Steve through this whole thing. I got really confused when Guy told me that Miranda is his favorite character and it just didn't make sense to me. And I just feel like she's got the least to add. Did you see Charlotte? Yeah, but Charlotte's like endearing. Charlotte's endearing and animated.

She is. And I feel like. She has a purity as well. I feel like she's. No, Charlotte is a social liability. She's useless at cocktail parties. She screams your ear off she's got three facial expressions she creates problems where there aren't any so she can get in on this

one instance yeah and then she ran around the park three times to get over it and she got over it i just think miranda's miranda i'm well do you know i i did actually enjoy watching with you because of the way you observed the interpersonal dynamics and as soon as miranda miss misspoke at the rehearsal dinner you were saying like that night you were saying oh no it wasn't that night you were it was after uh big jilts carry when they were all sitting around, you were urging Miranda. You were yelling at the screen, tell her, tell her, tell her. And she doesn't.

And then every time you'd see them, you'd be encouraging her to tell her. And so, I mean, I like her not just because of Sex and the City, but because of Sex and the City 2. I've built up a camaraderie. I think of all the four gals, she shows the most empathy and carries herself with the most grace and compassion. She's intelligent. There's motivations for her actions.

Yeah. Hold the phone. We're just throwing words out now. I didn't really see much compassion throughout this film, to be honest. No, not in Sex and the City, but in Sex sex in the city too she does show compassion and there's a hangover of that for me right where she displays it like in sex in the city too i i i might be misremembering but i just don't think all of the other characters were so obsessed with their own lives problems and miranda i specifically remember when samantha gets caught having sex with dick

bot down on the beach she rises to the occasion. She's a lawyer. She really takes it on. And even when Carrie's having problems, her and Samantha are working together to solve the problems. I just think it was nice watching with you because you were highlighting flaws that I had maybe chosen to ignore. Yeah, I just feel like you were viewing her through rose-tinted glasses. She's stubborn and her refusal to even, you know,

accept the idea of receiving an apology from steve like you were so on the side of steve and i love steve as well i was i i that surprised me a bit but i think i was because you know they were talking about the um the marriage vows and stuff and she was saying you know you've broken this one but then he went through to point out she'd broken all this other stuff you know she was saying, you know, you've broken this one. But then he went through to point out she'd broken all this other stuff. You know, she was mistreating him. And that's what led Steve to the one action, which he came clean about straight away. What about the other vows?

What about promising? Exactly. What about the promises? You know, and she wasn't displaying the behavior that she had once promised him. So I think it really put you in the shoes of the perpetrator. What? The perpetrator is the person who did the misdeed.

Yeah. So that's Steve. Perfect. And also you trusted Steve that it was a one-off misdemeanor. I did. I probably trusted him a little too soon in the piece. Do you think he's a hottie? I think it's because he's got glasses.

Yeah. I used to think, do you know when I was in school, I used you think he's a hottie? I think it's because he's got glasses. Yeah. I used to think, do you know when I was in school, I used to think that people in glasses couldn't do anything wrong. And I think that misconception is like, traveled with me because I looked at him and I'm like, trust him, Miranda. He looks like Stuart Little. He does look like Stuart Little.

Yeah, grown up. What were you picking up on this week, Tim? In a hot way, right? Like if... Sorry, what was that? Yeah, yeah. Stuart Little got ripped. Stuart Little did get ripped.

In real life? Yeah, yeah, I'll show you a photo. Did he? Absolutely. Yeah, what were you picking up on this week? Sorry, Tim. I've got some notes, which i'm happy to share with the group oh yeah i went on a bit of a journey actually because at the start when carrie announces to

samantha um that she's getting married and then samantha says after that whole thing with aidan i figured you wouldn't want to get married i was like you know what i never looked this up so i looked it up on wikipedia i had a look at carrie bradshaw's wikipedia page and it turns out aiden and her were engaged and at one point she cheated on aiden with big which is wild because in the second movie on Aiden with Big, which is wild because in the second movie, which we've watched 52 times, she cheats on Big, who she's now married to, with

Aiden. So she's cheated on both of them with the other one. He's pretty cool guy. He's the second most significant love interest that Carrie has in the TV show. He's a rug merchant.

Yeah. And that is not euphemistic. Yeah. I was going to say, is that an analogy? But he says in the second film, he says, that's where I went wrong, trying to get a ring on you. So the engagement's obviously where the wheels came off in their relationship.

I mean, did this change the way you viewed their relationship did you have more or less sympathy for either of the characters well i was online i also i'm going to ignore what you're asking because i just want to take a brief respite from thinking about this movie for a second i also read that the original no no no no Answer my question The first incubators Were actually on Coney Island As like a sideshow attraction And this basically like Circus ringmaster

Accidentally saved thousands of kids Just using them as a sideshow How did you get to that Tim? I don't know I was just clicking around You know Hey I wrote some notes I'm just going to hide my camel toe Hang on How did you get to that, Tim? I don't know. It's just clicking around. You know. Hey, I wrote some notes.

I'm just going to hide my camel toe. Hang on. It's a podcast. This isn't a video. I know, but I'm very aware of it. Okay, I wrote some stuff. First one, pearls to bed. Oh, that was in my pro.

Oh, yeah. So there's always the discussion around when you've got something in your teeth and you're out for dinner with friends, do you bring it up in that situation, publicly humiliate them, or do you tell them afterwards? No, the public humiliation. What do you do? The public humiliation. Sorry, this is obviously referring to when Steve pointed out to Miranda

that she had foam above her lip. The public humiliation isn't in the moment it's pointed out. Good on you for filling in the audience. They've been on this journey with us. They get it. Oh, okay. But the public humiliation isn't when it's pointed out. It's the person walking around

believing that they have nothing in their teeth when they do you've just got to do it on a subtle level if you see a sister in arms with lipstick on her teeth do you tell her or do you leave it I just did the motion you show them I say you've got a little lipstick on your teeth

do you it's probably a bit more subtle I just do the big licking my lips, licking my teeth. And then everyone else is like, what is she doing? Every time. You don't leave it. You point it out every time. Me?

Yeah. No. No, that's the thing. You leave people out there. Yeah. Hang them out to dry. Sometimes it's too awkward. And I don't want to make them feel bad.

Do you know what feels worse than being told? Having a massive bit of coriander on your front teeth. You know what feels worse than someone telling you that? of coriander on your front teeth you know it feels worse than someone telling you that is like going home four hours later i know and seeing it but that's why i wanted to raise it you know what yeah is it do you whisper in their ear it doesn't need to be such a big thing you can just say hey i think steve handles it brilliantly steve handles that whole situation brilliantly because miranda's really tightly wound and also actually i'm going to insert my glad you can acknowledge that she's tightly wound in that moment now no longer looking at her through rose

tinted glasses i'm gonna say i'm gonna insert my shining light i hope you can hear this tim um but it's when they're at the at the restaurant and brady brady says um i need to go to the bathroom yeah and the way he says it and the timing he says it is exactly the way that a child and only a child can say i need to go to the bathroom seconds after they've already soiled themselves exactly so shit yeah he's like he's pretty much saying I shit myself but it's very sweet you know we've talked about that quite a bit

earlier on in the season he's trying to make it like it's just fresh off his mind today it is I genuinely don't know that we've spoken about that already how am I meant to remember I'm not going to listen to this. I got kind of some flashbacks when I was watching Charlotte in Mexico. She drank the water.

And then she shat herself. I had a similar situation in Bali. Do you know that what I love is this podcast. I've shared some stories of my own, but this podcast has really become a safe space for people to talk about shitting themselves. It's therapy. It's cheap therapy. Nah, I wasn't, it wasn't as bad as Charlotte's,

but I was in Bali and everyone was like, you know, just be careful of Bali belly. So I took charcoal tablets every day and then I got quite cocky on the last day and I was on Bingham beach and we were heading to the airport and I was like she's all good anyway then I was on the beach I've already said that um and I went to fart and I shouted yeah how bad oh this is really i just realized oh not too bad but i had to go to the airport were you in togs no i was in clothes and i had to go and get on a flight hold on hold on so you you went to fart and you shouted but you shouted so bad you don't go to a bathroom you went to an airport because you were like the country can't

have me anymore this has gotten too big for barley to handle nah like i had my bags packed i can't remember what i did there whether i threw them out or something surely i'd hope so i mean the way you tell the way you tell it you shit yourself and you just fly home i just realized i got got pretty open with you guys pretty soon. I'm sorry for just dropping that on you. Don't apologize to me. Apologize to your underpants and the co-passengers on NZ451. From Denpasar to Auckland.

That's sweet. But saying that, that stirs some memories. Did you find it funny? Did the people you were traveling with find it funny? Yeah, it did. But seeing that stir some memories, did you find it funny? Did the people you were traveling with find it funny? Yeah. Yeah, it did. And I just... Did it break one of them out of their Mexi-coma as they were reeling from being jilted by the love of their life? He knows it.

It's not his first rodeo. No, it's my 31st. It certainly isn't. Yeah, I just... I liked that they, you know, displayed a girl pooing her pants because it's happened to all of us. I don't know if that's true, but can we cut this out? No. These podcasts go up unedited.

Bridesmaids, there was a seminal moment, wasn't it? Both in the film and just in comedy cinema. Groundbreaking, yeah. When she had to poo on the street. Yeah. Was that after? It must have been after Sex and the City. Was that 2010?

Was that like 2010-ish? It feels like 2010 or 11, yeah. Kristen Wiig was big. Yeah. She's been behind the scenes for a while now. I haven't seen a lot of her lately. No. What other notes did you take?

So far we have... What was the first one? The first one was Pointing out the thing in the teeth And the second one was that you shit yourself in Bali Correct PJ I'll throw you a note I've got And you can just see what sort of

Yeah go Self generates from that Yeah Are you ready ready i don't usually clear my throat before these because they're not very important um what have i written here to hear the conversation between louise and carrie at the bar about how love love is the thing you know oh oh yeah oh that was just okay this isn't really anything but just that that point in the film so we've gone through so much already the wedding's off yeah steve's cheated the girls are in a bad way samantha's in hollywood not necessarily loving it you know there's trouble in paradise all

around and we've been introduced this new character as well louise from saint louis and they're at the bar her and carrie uh discussing their respective heart is that when yeah so that's when she's like carrie sort of decides to not focus so much on herself and she's like louise there are other problems in the world i'm gonna take you out for a cocktail gal for about 45 seconds and before i get to oh well the point i was going to make there is i looked at the timer at that point. There was still an hour to go and I was like, fuck right off. You got to be joking me, but you've just reminded me PJ of,

um, on the Wikipedia page. It's really interesting for Carrie Bradshaw. They've done a lot of comparison between how she was interpreted as a character and how important she was in television and all of these awards that the character won at the time. It's like, you know,

TV guides, top 10 most influential characters of all time and, um, was in television and all of these awards that the character won at the time it's like you know tv guides top 10 most influential characters of all time and um glamour magazine like best female character on television ever uh at one point sarah jessica parker was the highest paid um television actress of all time she was getting 3.14 million dollars an episode of sex in the city and then there's all this retrospective look at the series and particularly at the protagonist carrie bradshaw and people like oh oh she was a garbage person how will we trick so easily and it's it's really interesting that she was so worshipped when the series was new but in retrospect retrospect, everyone now is like, she's self-centered, she's horrible,

she's so unfaithful to her partners. She just cheats on every single one of them multiple times, and she makes everything about her, except for right at the start of the first season. But apart from that, it's just all about her. Sarah Jessica Parker is included in the people who have looked back and said, I think the show would be different if it was made now. Oh, it would be made very different.

And, I mean, the other thing, I think part of the reason, I mean, this is sort of difficult to resolve, I guess, but I think part of the reason why she was such a seminal character and the show had such tremendous cut through is because they didn't sand off those edges. And was like you're finally you know because everyone all of them have flaws yeah like you're seeing you're seeing a character who's round like you know who's fleshed out to the point where you see all of the things about them which make them uh imperfect and i think especially with you know uh characters that were women on tv shows at the

time this was coming out it was such a rarity and to see a show driven by someone who was so flawed you know who was a woman made it really like exciting and fresh but the idea that is the greatest i mean if i don't know that the characters the where she's being a judge the greatest character on tv say by glamour magazine that isn't a celebration necessarily of who carrieshaw is as a person, but just the character itself. I don't know. I didn't read the Wikipedia page. Yeah, I mean, is it the idea that she's a female in New York

doing it for herself? She's independent. But then, like, I was saying to Guy, how is she so wealthy? She's written three books, I think. How the hell could she afford all of those things what were you gonna say to him uh you're being too um you're defending these women too much i think you're extending too much leeway like i'm all for flawed characters and multi-faceted characters on the box but it's hilarious to me that she's been outed as such an asshole like after the glow of

the show has gone away and people have re-examined the character. It's also not like the show was made in the 50s. I know, but I think the... I mean, I haven't watched enough of the show to know. I mean, I'm on the record, I'm pretty sure. If you look back, there might be roughly 83 instances of me saying this,

that Carrie Bradshaw, as represented in the movies, is an abomination. She is a disaster, one of the last people you'd want to be in a relationship, let alone friends with, because she's entirely self-centered. But I feel like that's part of why the movies didn't go well, is because they took this sacred thing and they sort of desecrated it across five

hours is the run time of both movies which is insane we don't have another season of the TV show in us but we do have that amount of time in two movies that's bullshit but yeah I mean what were you going to say?

I was just going to say hindsight is a beautiful thing though and it's coming out now with so many sitcoms and shows and movies that were from, you know, the 90s and whatnot, where we view everything so differently because of what society's like. And I don't know. I mean, I don't know if that's so specific to this, with all her flaws and that kind of jazz, but it is that stepping back with hindsight.

Time is unforgiving, particularly towards comedy. Yes. Comedy ages faster than anything. Doesn't it? It ages like an avocado rapidly. It's good for a while, and then you open the fridge door and you go, I can't put that on anything.

I had an acidic avocado the other day. Oh, do tell. It was really disappointing. I went to one of these cafes, which was allegedly the best smashed avo in Melbourne and I got it on a day where the avo was far from supreme and

it was acidic. I didn't know there was such a thing. It almost tasted like there was alcohol in there. Anyone ever had one of them? Are you a bit of a foodie, Paige? it was acidic. Like it actually, I didn't know there was such a thing. It almost tasted like there's alcohol in there. Yeah. Anyone ever had one of them? I can't say I have. Are you a bit of a foodie, Paige? I like to think so,

but I'm not really. What would you make of the food in the film? Okay. Well, I thought initially when they were out, when she was out with the girls having some drinks, I thought she was eating a hot cross bun on the side plate. And I did notice also, I realized later,

I think it was just a standard bread roll, but I did notice there were quite a couple of moments where bread was consumed, where I feel like there wouldn't be a thing in a movie. Bread wouldn't. They love bread. She was snacking on some toast. I was like, would you really be snacking on some toast i was like would you

really be snacking on toast i feel like you'd be having a smoothie ah wow you are really really that breaks my heart yeah i mean look at her she's not having toast for breakfast why why i love toast too but realistically she's like in ridiculous shape. I have toast for breakfast. I look like Carrie Bradshaw. What do you have on your toast? You don't look like Carrie Bradshaw. Olivano at the moment because avocados are like $6.50 each. Oh, that's steep. Seasonal New Zealand prices.

That's a news story. It was once. I can keep throwing you notes, PJ, but first I want to ask, how many countries have you shat your pants in, do you think, total? Just like off the top of your head. Pants or unplanned?

I think shat yourself. Twice. Two countries. Two countries. Bali or Indonesia. Yeah. And? Not telling.

Australia. Because it was really... Not telling. You moved here how long ago? Australia. I don't want to do this. In the last two years. I don't want to do this.

It's okay. No. I shit myself at the end of last year. Did you? Yeah, yeah. Save it. There you go. Shit.

Nah. What was your other question tim i didn't have another one it was that um i've just got some other shitty notes oh man the bit where she was picking assistants and said it was on louise i it was the only bit i did this because it's kind of an insane thing to do when you're by yourself but i actually yelled at the screen pick paul i want to see paul do this job yeah with the shoes he would have really brought um some flair some flair to the scene it would have been so much fun i'm glad to hear that you were supporting the idea of the movie deviating from its norm term that tells me that we are operating on the same page which is is one of depravity that is no longer bound or tied to the core tenets of reality. That, to me, is really exciting.

And while you boot up your next notes, Polly, I just would like to throw a segment to you, which I told you we were going to do. Now, this is called Outside the Lines with Polly Harving. And after Carrie sort of tries to coyly refer to the fact that her and Big have an active sex life in which he really stays inside the lines. Can you please tell me, as-l-y what that means you know initially when i did hear this quote guy i was led to think that he's adventurous he doesn't he doesn't stick to the norm um he likes to experiment when it comes to making love but then i thought of it again and, you know, I was sort of led to believe that perhaps – how do I do this in a PG kind of way?

This is not a PG podcast. I just think maybe he is ejaculating all over the room. Yes. That was sort of my other option. I think option one is probably more likely but option one option one is that he's just experimental option two there's nothing more experimental than pulling out and coming on the curtains what's more experimental than saying instead of being the lover of a lifetime

i'm gonna jackson pollock this apartment i don't know like am i allowed to ask your interpretation oh yeah of course you guys would have shared it on the podcast many times so it's probably just going over all ground well no i i think tim what's yours we are all on the same page here page there's no other way to read it i think really absolutely it's the only way for it to be interpreted which is what makes it such a standout line because she's like like tell us how often you have sex she's like no no a lady never kisses and tells i couldn't possibly doing some dodgy like i couldn't possibly soil the sanctity of my relationship with mr big by telling you any details of our private life

but i will say this when we have sex the man comes like a racehorse on anything in arm's reach oh i'm so glad i was so worried you were gonna have a question like yeah sorry polly the the lag on this is insane this vocal has been particularly like a lot worse than usual so you never stop down to me guy must stop down when i start talking polly never should you finish your thought and then i'll throw the question at you you finish your thought and then i'll throw the question at you no okay okay you ask us now tim yeah i have i've uh really hit the brakes on it now so have you has this even like bugged you guy in your previous watches and did you notice this pj on on this watch uh it was so this is the bit where we are in New Year's. Carrie Bradshaw has just gifted a very expensive Louis Vuitton handbag to Louise. And she says in the narration of the movie,

it was the best money I've ever spent. New Year's Eve and a cup of noodles. Now, the way she says it, it sounds like that is a comma. Is she talking about the bag or is she talking about the noodles? I think it's sort of bigger than that. It's sort of meaning that she had the time to emotionally heal. I can't even understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying, Tim, because I've seen this quote 30 times before.

And I've also noticed that the way it's edited kind of bridges. It could be either. this quote 30 times before and i've also noticed that the way it's edited kind of bridges it could be either she could be saying giving uh louise a very expensive purse which i know she'll love and cherish was the best money i've ever spent or spending a quiet night on new year's a time when you'd usually be quite extravagant and make purchases outside your means by staying in and having a cup of noodle soup is the best money she's ever spent i mean the only you know the only read for me even though it's edited in a confusing way has to is the best money she's ever spent. I mean, the only read for me, even though it's edited in a confusing way,

has to be the first. It has to be buying the experience of giving and being generous. It's so much more powerful than being selfish. Saving money on noodles. But it's interesting to think the different ways in which Big and Carrie deal with spending New Year's alone, because they're both probably reeling in the same way. Even though Big made the decision to jilt her,

they're both still brokenhearted and cut up by it. And she sort of, you know, she retires within herself. She stays indoors, you know, she sort of holds up. I don't know that she's necessarily embracing feeling sorry for herself, but she's not fighting it too hard. Where Big's like, no, it's New Year's Eve. I'm going out and i'm gonna have a dinner and a wine i'm gonna have steak and a red wine i'm mr big i don't care

about my life anymore i want gout what is this accent i don't know i went a little country western sorry but do you know what every time i gotta be honest every time I watch the movie, I think of the song. I'm the one who wants to be with you. Be with you. Deep inside I hope you feel it too. Feel it too. Wait it all our lives. Wait it all our lives. Oh, that's nice.

Because it's sung by Mr. Big. Is that how he feels? Yes. No, that's nice. Because it's sung by Mr. Big. Is that how he feels? Yes. No, that's the band. Okay, so PJ. Mr. Big, to be with you. Oh, the band's called Mr. Big. Yes.

I had no idea. Why did you think I was singing that song? Because you just thought of it. I sang all sorts of songs during the movie. And you go, is that song coming on now? I go, no. Sometimes I just like to score the movie. No, there was actual relevance of this this is this is so serendipitous because not two days ago i uh was in wellington hanging out with a new pal a new pal luke isn't it good to make a new friend

and he showed me a photo he'd taken in a karaoke restaurant where they had that song by mr big and they hadn't bothered to look this up or anything and it was just Mr. Big from Sex and the City as the album art. That's amazing. It's fucking good, eh? It's just the internet, isn't it? People just look up stuff and whack it on. Hey, at this point of our journey in the season,

when the gals, that final departing shot of cheersing to the next 50 years, it honestly feels like a hostile threat to me. Is that right at the end? At the very end, yeah. They toast Samantha and then they say, to the next 50. And in my cynical head, all I think every time is there's no fucking way. All I think every time is there's no fucking way. For one of you to make it that far would be impressive.

I'm embarrassed. I didn't see that scene. You were getting excited. You were getting us some of this antioxidant alkaline water. That's right, Tim. I mean, hi. That's okay. We have a segment that we do every week to try and bring some light and levity to what is otherwise can be a pretty downcast conversation.

It's called The Shining Light. So mine, for example, was finding when Brady shat himself. Tim, would you like to share your shining light? Oh, yeah, I did write this down. Let me see, let me see, let me see. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, wait, it wasn't that. What was it? Oh, it was Stanford lighting up a cigarette when he's organizing the gals to get in the car just

because you don't see that in movies anymore oh are you kidding me that drives me insane they're only going to be outside for less than a minute it is a waste of a cigarette and he risks making everyone's nice wedding clothes smell it's's selfish. What other opportunity does he have to smoke, though? Like, I don't know, when Carrie's in the car and they've left. Not as soon as you step outside. I mean, who am I to rain on your shining light? But that's what I thought. What particular moment, beat, scene, piece of acting or line

really jumped out and shone to you? Probably when the hot neighbor had the shower and he was washing with soap because I thought I was the only person who washed with bars of soap these days. And there's nothing more clean and fresh and crispy than a bar of soap on your skin and you turn the shower off. A body wash? Body wash is overrated.

I do have body wash as well. But I just love a bar of soap. My mum still gives me soap for Christmas. Oh, that's nice. Why do you think people are off soap these days? I think it's because they know where it's going. Where's it going? Everywhere.

You know? And like when you find a pube and when you find a pube it's just too much but and then you start hacking at the soap to get the pube out well it is a funny concept though because like if i stay at someone else's house i'm going to use this oh yeah you can always but i think it's self-cleansing i do it self-cleansing? No, but I use soap as well. I mean, it's best not to think about it too much. Yeah. You know, when you're trying to get your pubes out of the soap, it looks like Wolverine's been at your place for a shower. So you just hack, hack, and you still can't get it.

Oh, there's a few snorts now, sorry. No, that's cool. We've got time for one more segment. Okay. And we're going to rip through it. I'm going to John Mayer tonight. Oh, that's exciting. He's a stud.

He's hot. I sent him a DM on Instagram. Yeah, you did it when you were single. When I was single. PJ sent John Mayer a very thirsty message on Instagram. My friends are like, just the best part about this is you thought that he was going to reply he's got over four million followers he might have

he didn't i'm sorry to hear that but the the segment is um pretty much tim and i are very wealthy hollywood movie executives we're sitting on bags of money. Yep. And you are an exciting young filmmaker who's got a fantastic idea for another film set in the Sex and the City universe. So you're going to come in and you're going to pitch the sequel to us. You're going to pitch the new Sex and the City movie. Okay. And depending how it goes would depend how much money we may give you. Right. Okay.

So I'm just doing this now? Step into my office. Hi. Whoa whoa i'm married who am i um my name is melissa oh hi melissa i thought we were meeting with Polly Harding. Hi, I'm Polly. What a fucking block from the supposed professional improviser here. Okay, so... Guy, it's Melissa. Am I Melissa or Polly?

Because I'll go with one of them. Sorry, you... I feel like I can play a bit more when I'm not myself, so I'll go as Melissa. Okay, great. Hi, I'm Melissa. I'm Melissa, and today my proposal consists of the main protagonist being Samantha,

because I feel like she has got the room to really delve into. I think that Samantha has got a cafe, it's a French bakery styled cafe. I like pastries. And she's going to Paris. Melissa, can I just please press pause on this? Yeah. We cleared our schedules for this meeting.

We were assured that you had a pitch of the highest quality Hear me out Steve It does feel somewhat Did you just call me Steve? What was your name? Guy Okay Hear me out Guy

So she started this bakery after having a bit of a midlife crisis She's just turned 50 So this is the year after the first When's the second movie? 2008. Oh, 2010. Okay. Well, this is after that.

She's decided that food is the key to her heart. She decided she had a problem with sex. So she's gone to the patisserie and she goes to Paris to do some research.

Yeah. When she's in Paris, she gets out the cab and a guy is cycling past and he knocks into the door and she goes, what are you doing? Fuck. And he goes, oh, do you speak French? What? Sorry.

Je suis désolé. sorry? Je suis désolé Je suis désolé And she goes bonjour And then anyway She's holding some pastries He knocked them out of her hand She's just arrived in France And she steps out of the cab already holding pastries

She got some at the airport Duh Guy, Steve And then She got some at the airport. Duh. Guy. Steve. And then, long story short, they end up eating snails together. Long story short, this is your movie. This is the long story short is the pitch.

Carrie happens to be working in the restaurant. What restaurant? Her and Mr. Big split. And Carrie... Oh. So Carrie had... Carrie... It is a no from me, dog. I've had enough.

Just hear me... Just hear me out. I'm listening. Okay. Just hear me out. I'm listening. Okay. So they were eating eskago in this cute little restaurant.

And all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Carrie comes with a plate of whiskeys. And then she's like, where have you been the last five years? A plate of whiskey. It's spilling all over the years. I'm a saucer of milk, but it's a liquor. I mean a tray, okay? It's a plate of whiskey?

No. You have me. You have me a plate. How is Carrie employed? You've been looking over five years, Miss Bradshaw. But initially Samantha didn't recognize it because she got a really short haircut. She was like, Carrie, is that you? And Carrie's like, yes, I've been here for five years. And then they start chatting.

Hold on. Hold on. And they're like, we should go home restaurant are we in in a french one in paris in paris i thought it was it's just not samantha's restaurant it's a different other restaurant no she was in paris doing research but this is because the yeah and so then, anyway, Carrie ends up having some whiskeys with her and this mysterious guy. The mysterious guy actually becomes ending irrelevant

and they decide to go back to New York. And they start a business? No. This character we introduced, it amounts to nothing. Okay. He was just the cute mate. So that Carrie

and Samantha would reunite. I'm sorry to waste your time, but it's a no from me as well. Thank you so much for coming in, Melissa. Thanks for hearing my story. That was sensational. No thanks for coming in. No thanks from me. I'm sorry you came in. Give me a bit of prior warning.

Okay? I'm not... No, you did great. Great, that's very nice. You really found your feet. Thanks. Towards the end. Merci. That's French for, how are you? No, merci, thank you. Isn't it? Yeah.

Yeah. We've got to put a bow on this. Yeah, cool, because I've got to go Get changed for John Did he message back? No Yeah but hold on for a second There's one last thing

And I want PJ to Have another run At this whole improv game Of what she's shown A real aptitude for And that is To tell us What Steve is up to

Oh yeah So Oh when? You know when Steve arrives He's looking broken hearted He gets out of the cab At the rehearsal dinner He says I don't want to bother you people I don't want to when? You know when Steve arrives, he's looking brokenhearted. He gets out of the cab at the rehearsal dinner. He says, I don't want to bother you people.

I don't want to bother you. You know, remember that? Is that when he's already revealed to Miranda he cheated on her? Yeah, and he shows up and he looks really disheveled. And then that's when she goes off and blows it at Mr. Big. Yes. So when Steve arrives, he comes out of the cab and he looks disheveled, but he's also got a wicked glint in his eye and he says,

I don't want to bother you people, but we know that he actually does want to bother these people. He's got some huge event or something that's been happening in his day. What has motivated him to get in the cab and go to the rehearsal dinner and address this group of people? It could be anything. Shit, I didn't even watch that part. I told you it was an important scene.

Yeah, but I turn in and out. Could be anything. Why was he so motivated to go there? Yeah, yeah. Like, where had he been? Yeah. Was he well-dressed? He was okay.

Was he well-dressed? He was okay. Tim? No, you just say anything. I didn't see it. That doesn't matter. Just say, where do you think Steve's been? What would you like Steve to be doing?

Becoming a professional card player. There you go. What did you think? Yes, please. I also thought he was becoming a professional card player. Are you serious? No. It's in the spirit of supporting your idea that I say yes. Yeah, that or...

No, I think we'll just put a pin in it there. I think you nailed it. You got it in one. What we'll do is we'll play that little last bit of improv at double speed so it will sound... Thank you. Sound like it happened at normal pace. Thank you so much

because I genuinely didn't know what point it was. Not at all. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much, guys, didn't know what point it was. Not at all. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much guys for having me. It was a real pleasure Where could people if they were so inclined to, where would they look you up on social media? Yeah for sure Well, Jason PJ on Instagram

or on Facebook and personally if you want to follow selfies and irrelevant content, PJ DJ. PJ D-E-E-J-A-Y. Very nice. Tim, do you have anything you'd like to say? I'll kiss one on one.

That's probably the most important thing. That's our frequency if you live in Melbourne. Yeah, nice. Yeah. Turn in. Paige, did you enjoy this? Did you have fun? Do you know what? I really did have pockets of fun

i thought the sentence was over but then you added a little bit more and it became less good no no no do you know what i'm not where you guys are at emotionally with this whole experience so i feel like you guys have got a real head start um and and you showed a lot more depth than i did i was sort of merely tapping into the surface of what is a fascinating project hey well you know put in the hard yards 30 more watches i mean you won't have caught up by then because we'll be another oh no exactly that's the thing i'm never going to be where you guys are not with that kind of attitude the hard work what i i don't want to add like too much more duration but this is a slightly

new idea um i think i have watched you pj over the last few years kind of like sort yourself out like you you've addressed individual areas of your life you paid a lot of attention to eating well you did sort of um got into like meditation and yoga stuff and i think you're in a really good place and i think guy and i have been drinking poison um for the internet for many years now and i think it's it's put us in a very dark space um but it's produced this weird kind of pseudo art comedy project and i think you're actually like you're now too far above us you're looking down and you're like what are those tiny miserable ants up to it's confusing and it's confronting are you comparing me to. It's confusing. That's not true. And it's confronting.

Are you comparing me to Raid? Who's Raid, sorry? Raid. More teen. More teen. Oh. No, I'm not saying you're like killing us. I'm just saying you're observing us from on high being like,

this is not a thing. I think it's, I honestly think it's a thing. a thing I think it's I honestly think it's a thing it's actually made me realize how you can analyze

the most mundane of things in life and I'm going to have a different perspective moving forward hey well we do what little we can

to help the world we live in thank you so much everybody we will be back shortly when we have watched Sex and the City again

and I'm just speaking for myself here because I don't know if we're going to have a guest, we'll be in a markedly worse mood. Thanks for listening. Have a nice day. Frosty fellas, forever. Yeah, frosty fellas, stay chill.

We just have a good rhythm together, you know. He sort of feels me out, I feel him out. And we go for it.