The Worst Idea Of All Time - AJLT S02E05

Episode Date: September 3, 2023

The boys are pulling from every piece of pop culture under the sun in this episode, a celebration of creativity but more importantly, the success of... And Just Like That as a show that has found its feet! After wading through an appraisal of Elton John as a musician (and an imagining of the sad day in which he dies), Guy spotlights the fantastic musical choices that have carried the show through the season so far. The looming failure of Che's sitcom hangs over the podcast, how do we feel about a character that Guy has been rooting against, finally brushing up against failure. Tim even flits with earnestness, as he states his case that the show is doing a good job of analysing minority representation in television. We've got penis pumps, vibrators and a congratulations for Mattress Pikelet.Intro theme: Brendan LottOutro theme: SterlingSupport us via our Substack for access to premium content Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Heidi Ho, Tim and Guy, friends and fans and family, and also to anyone who is an enthusiast of And Just Like That, a sober-minded, clear-headed fan of the telly show. Not even of us. Just someone who likes it so much they've sourced reflections, recaps and information far and wide to spend more time in the end just like that universe. We're talking to the carriers.

We're talking to the Lisa Lights. We're talking to the Miranda-ers. We're talking to the Miranda-ers. We're talking to the Steve-landers. Who would have been disappointed by this episode? This episode, they would have actually been left out in the cold. I actually thought it was... No, I was going to try and do one with unseemly, but... Oh, yep.

No. I'm against it. Great. I'm trying to do salamander and seamer. It doesn't work. Yeah, it doesn't work and even if it did phonetically it wouldn't work spiritually why would semalander

salamander, I don't know, salamander came into my head what is a salamander? is it a lizard? is it a lizard? they grow their tails back, you cut them off, they grow back really? is that all lizards? I think it's most of them Definitely skinks

We've got skinks here We've got skinks here in this house Called plague skinks Wow Not because they carry anything But because they breed so well It can be like the plague It's like a plague like

Does Remy like the skinks? He's only noticed them a couple times Do you know what it makes me think of When I say that? R-R-R-Remy and the skinks? He's only noticed them a couple of times Do you know what it makes me think of when I say that? Remy and the skinks Skinks, skinks, skinks Skinks, skinks First of all Imagine when Elton John dies

Okay That would be so sad Nah, it'll be in the news for a day I want to talk to you Tim You're out of your mind The man is a legend Yeah, it'll be in the news for a day. I want to talk to you, Tim. You're out of your mind. The man is a legend. Yeah, it'll be in the news for two days. It happens.

People we love die, and it's in the news. It's like one of the big things that happens in the news. Everyone will play, So goodbye, Yellow Brick Road. That'll lead every fucking news item of a 45 second. You can't leave me in your penthouse. Okay, I don't want to talk about Elton John right now. Why not? Because we have. The man's a legend

He's good I like his music, okay And wouldn't it be nice to celebrate our best music artists while they're still alive rather than wait for them to pass? Yeah, it reminds me of a line in a song that says people only get the people never get the roses while they can still smell them Okay, I think Elton John, I think think sir elton john he of the famous christmas parties

and um like the glittering career with the biopic that he executive produced yeah which didn't shy away from all of the gnarlier parts of his personality but certainly did a better job of highlighting them and say the queen movie after freddie mercury dead, I think he's had a moment in the sun. I think the sun hasn't set on Elton John just yet. Okay? But he's not the only music in the world. And the fucking thing I actually want to talk to you about is the music in this show. Because they're doing a good job with it.

They're setting the table. They're kicking goals. It feels good. And if we spend the whole fucking time spotlighting Elton John, a musician who is still alive and getting plenty of glow up, punch his name into Google. How many pages do you think you have to click through

before it's not about Elton John the musician? Millions. You can't get there. I guarantee you can't get there. That's such a strange metric. I don't know. You Google Elton John and just keep clicking until you run out of Elton John.

And that's how you decide whether Elton John gets his you've googled Elton John yeah millions of pages there must be another Elton John yeah Elton John plumbing limited

so I think his name is Dwight Regiment Reginald something. Dwight is in there. You're right. So imagine if someone was born with Elton John as his birth name and wants to become a famous musician. And so they change their name to like...

Dwight Reginald. Yeah, whatever it is. Yeah, that's nice. That's nice. I just think the music's fantastic. So I said... Yeah, it is. You reflect it.

You said it at the end of the previous episode Which we forgot to rate by the way 10 out of 10 Oh shit Jesus Christ Yeah And Tim gives it 9 That's not true

Yeah it's true So They played a great song in the credits And you said You know this show tricks you into thinking it's good By playing a good song in the credits And then in this episode They peppered good music through the episode

They're splashing it I don't know who's doing the music but they're playing Dusty Springfield's Spooky on the day of a Halloween party there's a dance circle at the party we've got people moving to Super Freak they're splashing cash

the closing credits I knew was going to be good because I can't remember the name of the band I think it's Sushi and the there's a song called Hong Kong Garden that was at the end of the first episode i think which is a fantastic song they've been getting it right the end of this episode

they played a song i really like the sound of it sounded familiar i didn't know what it was so i shazammed it it's smile by an artist called will powers now will powers is an art project by photographer lynn goldsmith who put out an album called Dancing for Mental Health. Brother, there's a track off that album that Spotify gave me. Is it like the first part of success? It's you, only you. Yes.

That song fucking rocks. That song is from the same album. That song's called Smile. Is that Will Powers? Holy shit. Copyright be damned. I'm going to get a strike for this. I want everyone to enjoy this.

Because I need to put that on a regular playlist, actually. It's so good. One morning when I got to host BFM Breakfast, I played it as the wake-up song for everyone. Fuck yeah, dude. That should be on every morning morning It slaps so fucking hard Well this is what I'm saying Like this show

Yeah I even wrote halfway through the episode This show is finding its feet This show got me actually They're going beyond Yeah They're like They're introducing

You know like They're playing interesting Let's talk about the Shea stuff eh I think that's Is that where you want to get into? Yeah, I'll talk about Shea. Man, the Shea stuff's so interesting, isn't it? Well, the Shea stuff is...

The show, again, so in the last episode, it sort of created a meta-commentary on itself in that Carrie was accused of ageism inside of a show which is carrying the baton of fighting ageism i suppose again by hollywood standards in this episode shay they play a um the pilot episode of shay's sitcom shay passa to a test group who a bunch of people were pulled from time square or whatever and um i forgot the title was shay's in sparkling form by the way at one point so shay and miranda's relationship's under a bit of, it's not under strain.

Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. But they seem like they're trying to make it work. They're living very different lives and Miranda's stretched really thin. She's trying to look after Brady while also maintaining a relationship with Shane and look after herself. She calls it the Bermuda Triangle of schlepping. She's sleeping at Shay's, getting up at 5am, commuting to Brooklyn to feed Brady before he's got to go to whatever it is he's doing in the daytime. We need to suss Brady out.

The kid's 22 or something. Oh, no, he's 21. I think he's being over-parented. Yeah, exactly. I agree. Give him some space. You've got to let him fuck it up. He's got to figure this shit out.

He's got to fall down, scrape his knees. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's not what you want to see, but your kid's going to get heart gonna get heartbroken yeah and they're gonna be strong with the other end of it hard out you can't coddle them through it you can support them yeah you can be there for them catch them but you can't get up and make them breakfast i think i mean she's overcompensating because of the emotional deficit she's created by as she's describing the previous episodes of blowing up the family i understand what's You know, I don't agree with it. I understand how you get into that position.

Guy's in there. But so at one point... Oh, I finally got it. Sorry, you're on a run here. No, no, no. Hit it, hit it. It's a bang. Yeah, this is it.

It's kind of interesting because the first time you hear it, if you don't know that it's like an art project or kind of a semi-satirical song, you're like... It's whatever you want it to be. It is everything, isn't it? It's both successfully the thing it's parodying and a parody of the thing.

You are an important person. A rare individual. A unique creature there has never been anyone just like you and never will be yeah it's called the album's called dancing for mental health you can find it everywhere and then just like that is sparking it up for people respect anyway miranda's not sleeping enough because of you know this this balance she's trying to strike and um at one point and she's got the this testing testing test testing testing testing testing for the pilot uh she's agent is flying in for it which

she understands is a good thing she's not you're not supposed to be there at the testing for your own thing that's such a terrible, terrible, terrible idea. So Shay's behind one-way glass with a focus group on the other side. Before we get to the focus group, because this episode sort of tries towards emotional resonance inside of the Shay character arc. And before we get to that, I just have to discuss one of Shay's jokes,

which is Miranda's not sleeping miranda and shay are out for a meal this is the night before the pilot's being test screened and miranda's eating an incredibly spicy curry to like enliven herself i suppose because she's so tired she's having a red curry yeah and she's really battling with the spice it's too spicy for her and uh they're sort of having a conversation and miranda also but naya wallace the the uh recently separated law professor still exists in the world of the show by the way and fucking seems to root a smoking hot dude at a five-star hotel that guy is crazy good looking yeah Honestly You look like a statue walking around

It's greedy It's greedy for us to be like We pick and choose Which character's sex scenes we get But it's You wanted to Yeah fair I get it

Even just the indication I get it Anyhow So ABC's pumped up about Shea Passer Shea and Miranda are out for dinner Miranda's eating this curry That's too spicy for her And she's saying

Oh by the way I'm not sleeping enough And I've had this offer to sleep in um the music room at naya's place which is like two minutes from where i live so it's just gonna make life a bit easy for me and she's like that's all right you're crossing the streams these are two different conversations no they're not aren't they yeah mate who's watching the shit out yeah you're the one taking nights here go on go on go on and go off. Yeah, so Miranda's sort of a bit nervous to bring it up because they don't want to slight Shay. And then Shay says,

the only thing I'm worried about is that spice all over your lips because I'm not trying to have curry lingus later. Hated it on first blush and it took me about four seconds. I was like, you know what? You respect it. You actually liked it. Don't hate it at all. Anyhow, the show marches on.

The test screening plays. We enter as all the people who watched it are feeding in on Tony Danza. And you won't be surprised to hear this. We all love the great Tony Danza. We all love your Tony Danza. Thank you. That's the right number of syllables. Everyone loves Tony Danza.

The scene with the apron is described as being funny. And that is is elton john yeah anyway sorry what that is elton john and then the conversation takes a shift so they're talking about tony danza they're getting feedback on the dad character and then there is a non-binary participant in the focus group who says the crying which is something that we bookmarked, and I challenged Shay's response. And you said, I can actually relate to Shay on this. Well, understand, maybe not relate. It sends a signal that it's sad to be non-binary. And the show continues, and this criticism continues,

and says the whole Shay character was like a boomer stereotype, which I was sort of like, I was glad to hear Shay's jokes getting a bit of fucking stick yeah but then the feedback the feedback session continues to the point of creating emotional resonance where we see shay understandably even if it's someone whose comedy you don't respect being pretty crestfallen that like well that their character which they you know co-created they're playing an elevated version of themselves in the sitcom it's absolutely decimated by all participants this is the focus group they're they're all like suddenly it's a

room of tim and guys going shay sucks but guess what shay's there hearing it all this is the thing so the show in addition to the ageism in the previous episode is getting so meta they're level they're leveling criticism which we are levelling That was levelled at Shea The character in Just Like That They're levelling the same criticism At Shea, the character in Shea Passer This show is like Mattress pikelet

You know And that army of artificial intelligence Creative character writers That he's fucking fitted out this sitcom with They are having it always Yes they are He's got cakes on the go he's having cakes he's eating cakes it's a lot of cake and it's kind of working

it was remarkable because i'm on the record as being iffy on shay yeah but i there was i shay's acting was fantastic in this episode and shout out sarah ramirez who plays shane there was so much sadness and and and they carried it so well well i just think shay's sort of we we know that shay isn't um the self-confidence machine we know that there is fragility inside of the character but so much of the show they're played as this shit talking straight shooting hilarious pot smoking like just swinging from fucking vine to vine on the road to success sort of figure and so it was honestly a relief and humanizing to have shay fall well satisfying not in that you want to see someone fall but satisfying to

see a dead you wanted to see that person fall And the confidence of the character Which actually got us to a point where So Miranda and Shay are in the apartment This is after this kind of soul rending event Is that the right verb? Soul retching Retching To rend something You render it down or something

Soul rending This heartbreaking moment where shay's character has been shit upon by everyone in the focus group and so shay and miranda took so miranda's going abc can eat shit and die everyone in the focus group can eat shit and die and shay's like stop telling this isn't helpful yeah and then shay says i'm gonna just need some time by myself. Can you give me a few days? And this is big, heavy, sad stuff. And I turned to Guy and I said, is this what you wanted, Guy? Yeah.

Are you happy now? And I said, we'll talk about it on the show. So how did it make you feel finally seeing the downfall of Shay Diaz? Well, we don't know that the pilot, you know, it was a rough test. The pilot's gone, baby. We don't know that. Let go know it was a it was a rough the pilot's gone baby we don't know that let go okay you need to move on abc's gonna cancel this thing they're not making a series order everyone in the focus group hated it from the fucking middle of america dude walking around times square it was probably his first time buying cotton candy or visiting the M&M's store to get a toy for his kid back in Minnesota.

Okay. To the genderqueer Brooklynite. Yeah. They all hated it. They love Tony Danza. This show doesn't have an audience, guy. It's not getting commissioned. Well, is it what I wanted to see?

I think yes. To be fair, I know I am, you know, as an audience and just like that, to an extent, I'm meant to be rooting for Shay. Especially as a fellow comic. Rooting for the characters in the show. This is your colleague. I don't think the show, like, you know, if that's the feedback from a test group, that thing's going to get slated if it makes it to air.

It's true. And that's why you have test screenings, that thing's going to get slated if it makes it to air. It's true. And that's why you have test screenings. And it's bad. Let's just give Tony Danza another show. It's bad. But it's fascinating. Mattress Pikelet's been listening to the pod. I don't know about that.

I just think it's interesting that they've contained inside of the show Yes Criticism of the show Well and criticism of Shea's comedy style Which is like the one thing Which means that it's felt Amongst others Totally unmoored from reality

Is that everyone is on board With Shea's comedy I think this show is doing I'm going to be earnest now Okay About this show I think this show is doing i'm going to be earnest now okay about this show i think this show is doing a actually pretty good job of showcasing the difficulty of having um diverse communities represented in mediums like television because in tv the stakes are so high because bandwidth is so limited budgets are so expensive so much resource gets put into one thing that you become incredibly risk averse and you end up as a result of that making dross and as soon as you try to make something interesting

at like sure there'll be a very passionate small audience served by it, but that's not what television executives want. They want big, in the middle, let's sell some soap commercials. And the representative happening to Shea Passer is that the excitement of the clear vision that is brought to the network is distilled by the fear of it being too niche. But this is the interesting tension because so before everyone fully shits on shay things get said about the shay character initially by the um genderqueer person in the focus group from brooklyn and shay's like i told

them that i told the executives that yeah so they're actually reflecting the sort of like all of the edges that got you know sanded off of the character in the show that would be maybe a more true to form representation of the experience of being a non-binary person depicted on television it's hard to jam these experiences into the fucking sausage machine of tv and have it come out good and i think this show is sort of doing a good job of showing that yeah showing that tension and that difficulty and the frustration it's been a long it's been a long road to walk but i totally agree the frustration of underserved communities who aren't like you know us effectively being represented on screen and so you want to know something michael you fucking wily little asshole fucking hats off dude you got me

you goddamn got me he's been throwing so many darts on the dartboard consistent through the two movies through the first season of and just like that through this season of and just like that we got guest stars we got so many storylines every episode it feels like a feature film every time we're sitting down to spend some time with these these gals i'm there now i'm where guy was early on you You're here. Yeah, I've arrived. Welcome. This is my stop. Fuck. Feels good.

Never thought I'd do it. It's good, man. This show's found its feet. They have, I mean, look, we're getting ahead of ourselves. Samantha? They've got to re-up for season three. Oh, yeah. Well, according to Google, if you Google it, it says there's three seasons yeah well according to google it's like if you google

it it says there's three seasons of the show and i was like holy shit i just um but has a mattress pikelet said that sort of to and done didn't he say like people say that sort of shit that's true you're protecting yourself that's true you say we'll end it with the second movie don't you and then look at them now yeah car Carrie's got a lot going on in this episode. We haven't even mentioned it. Well, she does, but it's all contained in the episode. She's got the Runkle slash Harry storyline from the previous episode. First off, it's Halloween, folks.

And that's a bit of fun at the start. Yeah, there's some costume stuff. We did mention that, sorry. We get Harry in a... I think that Charlotte's throwing a big fundraiser for Halloween and everyone's in costume except Miranda. Charlotte's chosen a very beautiful character to go as. Charlotte is Carrie, what's her name, from the Americans.

Felicity, TV's Felicity. And then... And Runkle is the other one from the Americans. Yeah, wearing a wig. The husband. It's one of those classic Halloween costumes where it doesn't work unless the other person's also wearing the costume. Or even then like i think the delight is just seeing runkle with a big thick head of hair yeah which he uses

to great comic effect later in the episode yeah um it reminds me of the halloween and stop me if i've told you this my greatest halloween costume have i told you about that no it actually wasn't halloween just for a costume party it was for it was for the auckland theater awards and the theme was shakespeare it used to be a great night out yeah it was the heck dressed up yeah and um the thing was shakespeare and joseph moore and i went and we've got costumes with our friends eddie and rosabelle we got um i got a ladybird costume and he got like a cockroach costume and eddie and Rosabelle both got bee costumes and the costume was two bees or not two bees. Wow, that's great.

But 95% of the night, I was just a ladybird. You know? The costume only works in tandem with everyone around you. Is that Shakespeare? To be or not to be, that is the question. That's Hamlet, that's Shakespeare. Oh, true, is that Hamlet? be or not to be that is the question that's Hamlet that's Shakespeare oh true is that Hamlet ok true

good shit we're fucking traipsing through pop culture in this episode yes very current pop culture William Shakespeare but yeah anyway

so we've got that basically Naya and Seema and Carrie they're all single they're all horny Seema's like we're going to hit

this five star hotel the fellas are rich they fuck like demons they go Seema and Naya and Seema and Carrie, they're all single. They're all horny. Seema's like, we're going to hit this five-star hotel. The fellas are rich. They fuck like demons. They go. Seema and Naya immediately get picked up. Carrie doesn't. Then the next morning, Carrie's on the phone to Seema. She's telling her about her hookup.

The guy used a penis pump. It's a great storyline. It feels like non-canon vintage sex in the city. It feels like we're having a lot of fun. For sure. My understanding with penis pumps is that you didn't use them immediately before coitus. I thought it was a...

I guess my only exposure, honestly, is Austin Powers. I'm telling you, it's not mine, baby. But I thought a penis pump, A, are they real? Are they a thing that people use? And B, I thought it was like doing your stretches. Like it's something you had to do every day. Yeah. Rather than you do it before.

But I guess it would sort of stimulate blood flow. So I guess I get it. I get the science. I get the biology. Is it to make your penis bigger? Yeah. But he seemed to need it for like a medical. To get an erection.

Yeah. It seemed like he was using it to get started Anyway That storyline That sort of bookends We're no urologists Yeah If that's the right specialist

Who could say But so A cock dog Seema's on the blow She's like this guy used a penis pump Stops Carrie dead in her tracks But oh dear She's standing in a cycle lane

A cyclist collides into her Which would be fine in LA Because everyone drives everywhere That's right This is New York City baby Oh dear, she's standing in a cycle lane. A cyclist collides into her. Which would be fine in LA because everyone drives everywhere. That's right. This is New York City, baby. This is a commuter town. Big collision. He's like, what the fuck?

What the fuck are you doing? You know, like. He's not that. All things considered, as he's coming up, he's like, bike lane, bike lane, bike lane. Yeah. She doesn't do anything. Okay. just to play devil's advocate yeah if you've got time to yell out three bike lanes you've probably got time to break a little do you bike much though yeah because if you're like if you i know you're up to speed it takes a while to shave off it's scary it's actually scary biking it is a little bit yeah you gotta

have i've biked in you i've biked in new york i know you but the highest risk is is vehicles traditionally yeah because you just you just do you need everyone to respect the fact that cyclists exist and it's actually part of what makes cyclists so punishing to talk to about it why because they have to be hyper aware yeah because they're like so you know there's like you'd assume in the battle of like modes of transport that cyclists and pedestrians would be allied to one another but there's actually a lot of friction between cyclists and pedestrians you know you think that both those parties would be like hey fuck cars right yeah yeah yeah it's not it's not you're right it's like cyclists and pedestrians

like hey fuck you and fuck you too you know like for themselves. It's like how people talk about the elites have this divide and conquer situation when they pit us against each other with culture wars so that we never realise we're being diddled. The pedestrians and the cyclists need to get together to take on big car. Anyway, so Carrie's just like fucking dumbfounded in the bike lane.

This guy is careening towards her. Dumbfounded in the bike lane. This guy is careening towards her. She doesn't move. Dumbfounded in the bike lane. He crashes. Jesus Christ. He crashes out to avoid like just plowing into her on a bicycle, which would have been terrible. And subsequently, we think he has sprained his wrist.

It turns out there's a lot of, there's a very annoying scene where Carrie just keeps talking and the camera stays on her for too long because she's babbling because she's like awkward about the fact that she's just caused an accident. You were furious at her phone manner. I,

well, the phone is one thing, but I was also furious about the kind of editing decision and writing, because they just hold this frame of Carrie and she's almost going straight to camera. None of her lines of dialogue are getting cut,

even if they're bad. That's fucking true. But it's this almost direct address. to camera none of her lines of dialogue are getting cut even if they're bad that's fucking true but it's this almost direct address the camera holds on her she's center of frame it's like a mid shot and she's just going like oh my god I'm so sorry

I'm not normally like this I was just on my phone and someone told me this information that literally made me stop in my tracks I don't I have lived in New York all this da da da and I like it went on so long that at the three quarter mark

I was like Fucking cut Wrap it up Next shot Get out of this Well I tell you I'm frustrated You know who you need to

I've had a coffee You know who you need to Give that feedback to Who Cynthia Nixon As director of this episode Yeah Maybe

But it's a fix In the editing bay also Yeah Although That's Depending on the production That's Cynthia's department as well You go You know what That's feeling off maybe but it's a fix in the editing bay also yeah although that's depending on the production that's Cynthia's department as well you go

oh you know what that's feeling off too long yeah let's go let's go so anyway this kicks off a sort of

if I can just truncate a little bit a whirlwind romance where this guy is a app developer he's hot he's a he's like

he's a bit of me man he's a yeah you like him he's a steamy cup of tea tall bit of me man he's a yeah you like him he's a steamy cup of tea tall six three i reckon tall guy real nice too like initially they get off on a bad foot because he you know has a broken wrist because of carrie but then they eventually get together she offers to help him he's got an app that he's about to sell with his business partner paul uh they've got some important presentations to try and get this thing off to market two days is the deadline he's got a broken wrist what will happen well

carrie literally has nothing to do these days because she's just swimming in wealth that she's accumulated from mr big's untimely demise so she's like put his dick in the pills on people remember that's right you know he should have been doing Putting his dick In a penis pump Instead And then maybe He'd still be alive To tell the tale That's right He's gone underground eh Who's that

Noth Noth Yeah well rightly so Deep under Yeah Fuck man Bad times Bad guy

So Yeah And fucking What else Hasn't the show Because remember that was the launch Of the first else? Hasn't the show, cause remember that was the launch of the first season. Yeah.

Hasn't the show done a good job of rising above? Yeah. It sort of doesn't, you know, unless you actively remember, it doesn't feel like it's tethered to the, the world of the show anymore. Yep. I agree. And they killed them independent of that.

Yeah, they did. Unless they got like a long leak yeah which i assume is true actually because i love a conspiracy theory but so that carrie basically starts looking at this guy but he's working too hard his business partner's always on the phone i think this is unfair actually because you were sympathetic to that viewpoint which is the carrie bradshaw perspective which is like spoiler alert everyone she so they have this kind of whirlwind romance while she's helping him punch together the last documents and presentations to sell this thing they hook up they have a whirlwind thing and then she's like you know

what you told me you weren't married i think you are you're married to your business partner paul so essentially she's saying you're married to your work and i can't fit in to this yeah i'm like this motherfucker's got a deadline two days it's gotta get the app up like just hang back for a sec carrie let the man cook and then let's go to dinner in a week yeah it's a different pace of life over there you don't need to stick around for that but this is a specific point in time that she is like intruded into by causing an accident yeah just fucking you don't need to walk out i agree he's not going so well handling his shit they're so sweet together yeah they click the chemistry's good he's a mess this guy i understand the first time he's late to the meeting or whatever that's fine okay late to the

meeting the next time when carrie's like i'm gonna go over and help out which is clearly a play to hook up yeah and then they're hooking up and the guy comes and he's like well this isn't all right i'm also okay with that the third time i understand he made an error but this guy he like he needs his head's not in the game he's fucking he thought he thought he said like a message to quote shakespeare love makes fools of us all i don't even know if shakespeare said that i was just trying to do a call back yeah but you know you're in a new relationship yeah things are exciting it's a hookup it's the start of a relationship it's not it's a self-contained storyline it's only because carrie ends it but it has all the ingredients of being the start of a

beautiful relationship i was rooting for this guy whose name i can't remember his last name's campbell you know what's his first name i don't know they leaked it in the materials before the season started what you know what's coming don't you what i mean oh i did yeah if you like k i i accidentally saw some shit online about that which i'm very angry at the internet for telling me then it's angry at you for taking so long well wait it's not even out oh that one might be I don't We don't know I don't give a shit Stop spoiling everything for me This is literally The only show where I care

About spoilers Fuck you've You've taken a long walk Imagine if Samantha Turned up and we didn't know Like in the last episode How fucking amazing Imagine if Samantha

Showed up in a threesome With Steve and Aidan It could happen It Could It's a sexy season It's a horny season we want samantha and steve to get together that's what we want the boys are on record talk to me about your shining light talk to me about any other stray thoughts you have speaking of meta stuff

this is such a dorky thing to have as a shining light so i apologize in advance but i thought it was a i thought it was cute it's halloween we got costumes at halloween yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so lisa's what's his name lisa's husband lisa todd wexley herbert herbert um uh isn't dressed up he's the only one who's not and she says you didn't you didn't wear your George Washington outfit. And I was like, wait a second. And then I remembered, that guy is George Washington from the original Broadway cast of Hamilton. I thought it was cute that they referenced it. And then he does get dressed up as George Washington. That's kind of a full circle moment for Lin-Manuel because he played a furniture mover.

Yes, he did. In one of the Sex and the City movies. Yes, he did. So there you go. There you go. Christopher Jackson. The thing he created is being treated as an Easter egg inside of an episode of In Just Like That.

It's kind of like when a band opens for another band and then after that, they open for them. You've got to swallow some pride to do it. But also, this is the way the world works. Is that your shining light? That piece of data? In the world of the show, by the way, the reason that this is the way the world works. Is that your shining light? Mm-hmm. That piece of data? Well... In the world of the show, by the way,

the reason that Herbert doesn't wear the costume is because he's taking his run for public office seriously. Oh, really? Yeah. He says, I don't want to get one of them on page six in a silly costume. Fuck. I really was trying not to miss anything

because I was making toast. Yeah. Guess what I was doing. I missed something you're watching. Making memories. Yeah. That's right. That's what I eat.

My nutrition, I exclusively get my nutritional value from what I'm fed by just like that. I'm on a diet. I'm fasting. I'm fasting until this season's finished. I'm not going to eat another thing. This is the only thing I want to eat.

Do you feel nourished from this episode? I'm not listening to music, radio. I'm not reading the news. I'm not reading books. Do you feel nourished i'm not listening to music radio i'm not reading the news i'm not reading books this is the only do i feel nourished hell yeah this is the healthiest i'll feel all week i'ma feel sick as hell soon what was your shining what was your shining light guy really funny moment penis pump guy he bookends the episode at the start we see him get out the penis pump him and seema She describes it to Carrie As really good 30 minutes of fantastic foreplay

Weird intermission And then B plus sex She comes They have a nice spoon afterwards Later on We assume it's the second time They're having sex They have sex

He finishes He rolls over He's like Oh yeah Good times And then Seema Opens her bedside table drawer Takes out a golden vibrator

Yeah Starts singing to herself Yep And he hears takes out a golden vibrator yeah starts seeing to herself yep and he hears the buzz of the vibrator this one's great and he's just like not cool and then they have a fight she's like what are you talking about i'd fucking let you take out your penis pump i woke up with it in my dish tray like i'm allowed and he's like uh-uh he starts harrassing he goes he goes yeah but that yeah not cool he's like well you went you did the in my bedroom it's a nice little fight and then he harrasses way into his clothes and storms out saying not cool and then you hear her start masturbating again yeah from

off camera you get another not cool seriously he rocks He's got great energy. He's a great, great comedic character. I've got to say, and this is sort of a reflection more on me than the episode. This one was only a nine out of 10 for me because in the last episode, I felt like nothing went wrong and it's an easier journey for me. We also need to bookmark a huge feature of this episode

is the fact that Rock, Charlotte's kid kid has been approached randomly at a skate park by a modeling agency for ralph lauren for ralph lauren and books a gig books a gig run calls spidey senses tingling that this is a jeffrey epstein situation yeah and charlotte is so overcome with the fact that her child will be following her footsteps of being a teen ralph lauren model which she was probably once one time you won't shut the fuck up take it easy all right i don't know man shout it's a bit much for me this year where do you rate it see uh eight well what am i ranking here it's eight out of ten wow and you give the last one nine i didn't you did yeah you did from me we did so you and me listen i just need to say that's happening charlotte takes right to the shoot

the shoot seems like it's i guess kosher at this point but remains to be fully seen runkel comes in with the wig the wig comes back yeah he comes in in disguise in a teenager's hoodie as the steve buscemi meme yes yeah hello fellow kids and uh goes up to the photographer and is like oh what's going to be on that green screen something sexy and the guy's like uh this is a family shoot yeah and so uh it appears that the pedophile catcher has become the pedophile. Yeah. It's a lovely... I mean, they're having a lot of fun on a lot of levels. And it turns out so are we. And that's it for the fifth episode of In Just Like That.

What did you give this one, sorry? Count them down. Seven. Nine. Nine out of ten. Four to count. Well, the last one was ten. I gave it nine because I didn't like the conflict.

I like it when everyone's happy. Even when I'm rooting for the character to be unhappy, I still don't like it. I've been rooting shay's down for for a season and a half i'm rooting for acknowledgement that shay's not funny and i got it all right then i got i got it served with the side of sadness yeah you know i if someone was like i i mean sooner than see shay shay's identity picked apart through the medium of a tester of a like a test screening of a pilot for a sitcom yeah i'd rather see like um maybe you want to see them on kill tony or something it'd be like there was dog shit getting slated in the green room yeah or or yeah

a heckler you know yeah actually i don't want to see a heckler i don't want to encourage that but you know what's crazy this show has bobby lee in it yeah heaps yeah he's a good comedian i couldn't name one but yeah me neither all right everybody we'll see you next time and just like that it's the worst idea of all time and just like that they're at it again and they're having such a gay old time and just like that, they're at it again, and they're having such a gay old time. And just like that, they're back. Got Montgomery and Timothy back. And just like that,

it's the worst idea of all time.