The Worst Idea Of All Time - And Just Like That... Part 9

Episode Date: February 3, 2022

It's official; the fellaz are on board with the show. Charlotte and Lily are going on an exciting side-mission involving tampon application, we finally see the extent to which Steve's heart is broken (it is very broken) and Mattress Pikelet is back in the writers room playing with forces beyond his skills. Further evidence Seema is Carrie's imaginary friend and now SHE HAS AN IMAGINARY FRIEND TOO!JOIN US ON FACEBOOK: (facebook.com/WorstIdeaOfAllTime)SEE GUY: (guymontgomery.co.nz) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

oh my god they're only doing sex in the city again this truly is the worst habit of all time when carrie could dance oh happy days and when a seymour could prance oh happy days when the ladies were free. Oh, happy days in the dance for me. They were dancing for themselves. Yeah. And we didn't even see them dancing. Hello. Welcome along to the ninth installment and not just and just like that,

which is getting a lot of the coverage, a lot of the prestige, but also the ninth episode of our coverage of and just like that, which is I would describe as an underground sensation. Yeah. I am Guy Montgomery. I'm Tim Batt. And we just watched, I can't even remember the name of the episode, I didn't write it down, episode nine, I believe, something along the lines of No Strings Attached.

That would make sense. Let's go with that. If it's not that, it should be that. It was, you know what tim what i like was totally swept up in the world of that episode yeah they got us full immersion yeah um just it is it is hard um for night. Because we're watching this in a normal fashion of one watch per episode. As it occurs. As it's coming out in sequence. And it is difficult to maintain the regular worst idea, bird's eye view separation from the product. I know.

We're starting to consume it as it was designed to be consumed mentally. I like the way that you've. An interesting mentally. I like the way that you've described it. An interesting phenomenon. I like the way you've described it, and I love the experience of, well, I don't know, like watching something together, which almost feels like it's for pleasure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It does at this point.

Not quite. No, yeah. Because I wouldn't voluntarily put on. It's still a curiosity, yeah. But we're so deep. We've spent so much time. And do you know what? The last thing I wrote down, which is really impressive to me about this.

I think the first episode was over that 40-minute barrier. But basically everything since is clocked, as told by the streaming platform at 35. And especially in this episode, the amount of different threads of story that they were, you know, like handling. The editing of this episode felt very frenetic. Yeah. But it was so dense. I was like, how is this only 35 minutes of TV? Because I feel like they've bitten off like, you know, 44 broadcast minutes worth of...

Maybe that's something to do with we're so used to... You and I, maybe this is different for younger people now, but you and I grew up in an age of traditional broadcast television where everything was written for 22 minutes. And also, a lot of shows were written to be very replenishable. So sitcoms, I'm thinking your Chuck Lorre joints. You didn't want to get too ambitious with your storylines because you know you had to come back and write another one week after week after week hopefully forever and that's how you became a millionaire living in malibu um but with this

mattress pike click king and the gang knew from the outset that they were really only going to get one hit at this 10 episodes a huge writer's room there's so many different writers involved across the series i feel like they're poised for a second hit at this do you think i i don't just expect a second season i want one big words from guy montgomery hot off the trail this is like i don't you know like i still have my problems sure of course but i just you got carried away i have been carried away as uh samantha jones would say so this pre-wedding toast of big and carrie this um this series and particularly this ninth episode has done what the movies were designed to do.

Bring people back into the universe. You never had the experience of the initial TV series, nor I. So we're being swept back up into the movie. Yeah, but it's doing like, it's, do you know what it's doing that the movies didn't?

What? Like it's, it's advancing everyone's lives forward. Yeah. The movies literally were just retreating the same emotionally tumultuous territory that Carrie existed in for the entirety, I'm guessing, of the series. Like, all it was was, is Carrie going to get with Big? How's Carrie going to fuck up being with Big? And then, like, there's a variety of boxes to tick and you know like checks to cash throughout those movies but this is like you know we've seen

devastating development with respect to steve yeah but we've seen everything it's actually moving forward in a way that feels satisfying and like there's momentum instead of just treading water. To use a visual metaphor, it's as if the movies are a water rat that has not been unified by Brady's army yet. Just swimming around, treading water, burning calories needlessly, running a risk of exhausting itself with no food supply and getting absolutely nowhere and then dying. Whereas this series and just like that is as if it is a rat that has been ushered into Brady's fold,

supported by the other rats, nourished by the systems the rats have created. It has essentially bought into the concept that together we are stronger yeah i also move forward as i just have to put an addendum to this sort of observation we're making of ourselves in the series and that maybe one of the reasons it felt like when we were watching the movies we were treading water is because that was the very basis of the way we were watching that is a very astute observation and one that i am shocked both of us glossed over for even a moment yeah they made these fucking movies that we watch 52 times a

piece and it's like hey man nothing's happening here i guess i'll go watch it again to see if these characters develop jesus christ the lack of self-awareness from the frosty fellas at the moment i tell you what it is a concern oh it is a worry do you know what are we up to it's not it's just like you know there is a staggering sort of observation of ourselves to be able to make which is like just genuinely the conditioning we've put ourselves through which is like we are totally oblivious to the absurdity of the way in which we've consumed this universe so far hey uh just fucking you know those sex in the city movies they went well received uh just gonna quickly crack through 52 watches of that that's normal right yeah yeah that's a totally chill thing to do uh so in this episode basically almost every single character

That has been introduced across the span of this series so far Is given the opportunity to have some screen time And advance their cause That is a good point And that is, I think, part of why I enjoyed it so much Is because a lot of the time it feels like there's not It feels like they're introducing people or situations to satisfy the needs of the episode,

but there's no bigger picture. And then in this, it was almost like they were saying, hey, actually, we're aware that everyone's existing at the same time on the same timeline. Also, you were laughing from the outset. Not like throughout, but there were some great cracking lines in this episode. Really, really good.

I've written some of them down for you. Oh, okay. So right at the outset. So we start roughly. This is the way that you were laughing. You were engaging with Carrie on the terms and level at which yes it's assumed everyone's meant to engage you got me guy yes i was yeah and i'm happy for you miranda is trying to corral the gals to join her at a um like a community event painting uh i think it's a homeless shelter they're repainting it

in greenpoint in greenpoint new york and uh carrie says how do i say no and then miranda like starts giving the details and carrie's like no no seriously how do i say no which is like that's funny it's funny i haven't heard that before she went back for a second bite of a sort of comedic rhythmic apple, which was Charlotte's then talking about how the others have experienced menopause before her, and now she thinks it's, you know, she's like, you know how I keep talking about how I haven't had menopause yet? Yeah.

I think I'm done. And then Carrie comes in with a perfectly pitched mentioning it. Yeah. You know, like it's two from two. It's very good. It's a rarity that the quips that because the quips like the bar is pretty low for me at this point absolutely but one of the criticisms i have of carrie's quips across all of my exposure to her is that they feel they always feel labored it doesn't feel like a funny person being funny in a moment or in a conversation. It feels like a line of comedy dialogue written for a character.

And very rarely do we penetrate that level, and all of a sudden we're actually spending time with a funny person who's hanging out with their friends. The sirens go off, and there's big red flashing lights saying, you know, pun incoming. A funny line being delivered. This was just a naturalistic chuck it out there and it was funny and and cynthia nixon had a couple cracks i will say this i mean i i came in um heavily against

miranda in the last episode just because of i i think the heartbreak she was doling out to steve which i i still think was i don't know if callous is overstepping it. I don't know that it is, but there is a freedom and a liberation to Miranda's character now that she is outside of this marriage. Still, she's left heavy collateral in the form of Steve, and we see the extent of his heartbreak throughout the episode. You were audibly groaning in empathy for this guy i was eyeing there's a there's a freedom to miranda i was eyeing at the fact that he said he's never going to take his wedding ring off yeah miranda has left him pretty insensitively without even

an attempt to repair the marriage she's left him like she's pretty much dropped on him he fucking turned up to paint the homeless shelter because it was a prior agreed engagement and brought brady along and is playing nice with everyone and is being a total fucking sweetheart and then it's sorry to get out in front of the plot here but carrie drops her wedding ring big's wedding ring which she has now put on at the end of the episode down a drain accidentally after getting paint on her shoe and trying to wash it off with soap which pissed you off because you got to use fucking meths it's not water paint it's house paint it's not gonna anyway so steve grabs a wrench and disassembles the plumbing to retrieve this wedding ring for carrie and console her and calm her down.

And gets it successfully immediately because he's a fucking man's man. And then gives it to Carrie. And then Carrie's like, don't you think you should take your wedding ring off at some point, Steve? And he said, I'm never taking this off. I don't really mind what Miranda does in the future, how she chooses to treat the situation. I'm never taking this off. And it broke my fucking heart especially because steve is rightfully this episode i would rename to steve in the city because i just i'd

call it steve in the suburbs okay and i'd have like a crying what what that single tear emoji afterwards and then also maybe like this enough emojis and episode titles i know it's how we communicate now get with the times mattress pike who co-wrote this. Enough emojis and episode titles. I know. It's how we communicate now. Get with the times, mattress, pie cut. Who co-wrote this episode, by the way, and is responsible for probably the most interesting, aka worst bits. But Steve is interrogating Carrie about Miranda leaving him and the timeline of when it felt like, as a friend,

these decisions were being made. Yeah. And Carrie says, well, for what it's worth, when it felt like as a friend these decisions were being made yeah and carrie says well for what it's worth miranda said it's not about woman it's not about like being able to see or being attracted to a woman and it's about shay and when i heard that understandable from miranda's perspective but i was like i mean fucking hell steve here is just like Just trying to make sense of anything Is that where you're at I also kind of felt like in that scene

They sort of misgendered Shay just by how they were No that was representing Steve getting his, because this is how Freshly the information's been dropped on Steve That was a representation of Steve getting his head around these like Dramatic, no I'm not talking about what Steve's doing i'm talking about some lines that carrie said it was

just how they that how they were kind of phrasing the um basically is miranda gay now and i don't know it was just it felt a bit awkward and weird to me we had the way that carrie was framing it but maybe that's me being a little trigger happy well it's difficult isn't, isn't it? Because it's not necessarily for us to say. Well, I don't think it's been particularly well laid out in the show as well, which I guess is fine. They're not meant to give us a roadmap. But I just think Steve has had to handle... Listen, can I...

Our heart bleeds for Steve. I don't want to hijack where you're going with this, but I feel like I need to Because I can't believe that we are So far in 14 minutes into a conversation And we haven't mentioned And we haven't mentioned

This is I just I cannot get my fucking head around That this moment happened and the treatment of it in the show Honestly I Almost applaud it I take my hat off to it head around that this moment happened and the treatment of it in the show honestly i um almost applaud it i take my hat off so we haven't seen anthony we haven't seen anthony for all of the last episode he wasn't featured and we didn't miss him and then in this episode all of a sudden

he's introduced he one of his fucking burly bread delivery guys other than there so he's one of the hot fellas in a sort of hot guys denim romper yeah short sleeve short legged denim romper saying i'm one of the hot guys now yeah i'm bringing my new guy over for dinner he looks like he's doing an impersonation of a hot gay guy yeah because just because of like he's a little he's a little bit he's still fucking smoking in my opinion he's a he's a hot guy um but he's a little bit older and he's almost like cosplaying as a hot guy and he's talking with this very broad brook to Charlotte because they've got a dinner on the books. And he said, can I bring over someone who I've just started dating to dinner tonight? And she said, yes, is he child appropriate?

And like, so what I thought was so funny about this was normally, you know, what I was expecting and I thought would be totally reasonable is to actually take a bit of umbrage at that and be like, what are you saying about my taste in men? How dare you be so judgmental? You know, ratty ratty rah. But he didn't. He just said, yeah, no, I think so. I looked all over the internet and I couldn't see a picture of his dick anywhere. Just fully took the ball and ran with it, you know, on her terms, which was great. So we know that there's a new guy

in anthony's life he brings her over sorry he brings him over to charlotte's house for dinner context charlotte is dealing with lily who's uh she's got a period that's like established um but she has just she's she's going to a pool party in the Hamptons in a month and she's just got a period now, which means she's going to be on a period at the pool party. So she's finally having to wrestle. Charlotte says either you cannot go to the pool party or you can learn to use a tampon. Which she has so far been completely uninterested in

and rejected using a tampon. So a lot of this episode of Charlotte's Bit centers around her and Lily navigating that. And honestly, that was a fun B story. Yeah, it was. It was a lot of fun and games. There was an insane montage, which was totally a massive departure

from anything that's happened in this season so far. Big time. But it kind of worked. Sort of like broad. It was like a John Hughes montage. It was broad, like almost, yeah, John Hughes to mid 2000s Comedy montage scene

Maybe like a What's his name? Todd Phillips Charlotte's presenting all these Motivational tricks and ways for Lily To insert the tampon and Lily's rejecting All of the information. That's all by the by Because the biggest swing of the Entire episode, the most phenomenal

Moment, I'd say In the nine episodes we've watched Just like that today. This was breathtaking Why? Because the biggest swing of the entire episode, the most phenomenal moment, I'd say in the nine episodes we've watched, man, just like that today. This was breathtaking. It took my breath away. So the guests arrive, Anthony and his partner. And Charlotte's instructed Runkle to take a dish that I can't remember the name of. It's a Jewish traditional bread. Traditional Jewish bread. And so she has to run away and deal with Lily

because Lily has finally plucked up the courage to learn how to use the tampon. This is happening at the exact moment that the guests are scheduled to arrive. And before that, here's a great thing. We're watching the scene being set up and Charlotte's finally dealing with Lily Pudding. And even before that, sorry to keep elongating this moment. This is real Russian doll. set up and we've got charlotte's finally dealing with lily pudding and like there's also even

before that sorry to keep elongating this moment but this is real russian dough we get some great charlotte cooking footage which i love seeing charlotte i love seeing kristen davis acting in a kitchen like it's a real performance of what cooking looks like i remember the cupcakes in sexy city too it's just like it's an oscar de la renta yeah it's very fun it's very funny and there's a lot happening she's getting the meal ready oh wait versace okay it was oscar de la renta okay oh oh no no you're thinking when she gets the handprints on her ass i'm thinking of carrie's wedding dress i apologize we're getting our designers yes that's by the by yeah so there's a lot happening. The guests arrive. Finally, it's time for the tampon.

The guests are Anthony and his partner. Bread in the oven. Tampon time. Guests are here. Best friend's new partner. There's a lot on the go. And so they arrive. She lets them in.

She says to Harry, Harry, make these guys a drink. Please get the bread out of the oven in 10 minutes. The holler. Get it out of the oven in 10 minutes. I've got to go and tend to something. And so we left. Charlotte walks out of the scene and we're left with Anthony, his new partner, and Runkle all standing in the entry of their house.

Oh, my God. Just thinking about it makes me teased. Anthony's new boyfriend is like, huh, is this a Jewish dinner? And Runkle's like, huh, is this a Jewish dinner? And Runk was like, yeah. And then Anthony's new boyfriend says, wow, you know the Holocaust is a hoax, right? And then Anthony's just like, get out! And then it cuts. And that's the whole scene.

We cut to like Carrie or something after that. Fingering her wedding ring What the fuck is going on? Is it a comedy beat? It is so shocking It comes out of nowhere and is not addressed at all It is madness And it has Mattress Pike looking spankin' Prince all over it

Absolutely it does a lot the the the playing with a topic far beyond his sort of um like control or powers as a writer he's like hey this will be a funny satirical reference to what's happening in america right now he he co he co-wrote it so you can just see the other writer being like yeah but he's also EPing the whole series. Exactly. I don't think he's show running, but he might be. So he's got like the big chair here. Yeah.

Because I think they have got... I don't know why I assumed this, but I feel like they've got a lot of younger writers in this writer's room doing the different episodes. So you can tell they've got some like... You know, there's some great lines. This episode's very well put together as a piece some very talented um writers doing some of this stuff and then fucking mattress with his big grubby sausage fingers and a typewriter

fucking the whole thing up with it it was just it landed with such a thud. Well, it's just. And then it's both an insane thing to have in the episode, but then the treatment and like the editing of it just put such a big highlighter across it. It's also fascinating because what I was building up to say before we had the reveal of what the moment was, is we've got Charlotte cooking and you've got this, and there's all this stuff happening. And you're like, this is the worst Mrs. Doubt got this and all this stuff happening and you're like this is the worst mrs doubt you were sort of speculating like how what comedy beat are we

going to milk out of lily's having her period and there's a new person i dinner my mind was racing i thought that and forgive me but look this is just tonally where the episode led me to believe it was going that charlotte would be assisting her teenage daughter come back had like blood on her hands or something, and had to pass it off as cranberry soup. Some crazy shit like that. Something that is much more in the family of your classic comedy caper than like just...

Than a fucking Holocaust denial joke? It's not... Are you friends? Well, the way that it's handled, it's not built to be taken seriously there's no investigation of it no and then he's gone the guy who delivers it is then just just disappeared from the yeah i don't know why the moment is in the episode about the call that actor's agent gave him to be like oh my god we've got a role for you on the new sex in the city series you're playing one of anthony's boyfriends he's a holocaust no no you don't say that you've got a line i've got a

line oh my god i'm gonna get my sag card finally you're doing a scene with kristen davis and uh my god and run cool oh my god this is such a departure from my advertising yeah it's gonna be a um it's a big opportunity for you god this is this is gonna be life changing one thing yeah so the line yeah yeah yeah is well it's only one line

you're a feature of the episode but you've only got one line okay okay I'm really that's amazing what a huge opportunity

yes and so do you want to know the line so the scene is you're arriving for dinner and right

you're there as Anthony's partner and you're meeting Charlotte and Rutgers for the first time. And everyone's kind of nervous because no one knows how they're going to get along. It can be quite an intimidating thing being a new partner. And you arrive and Charlotte has to rush off to do something. And you notice that it's a Jewish home. Okay, sure. Great, I love it.

We're in New York. Yeah. And so you say, you know the Holocaust is a hoax, right? And it's going to be a big opportunity for you. We're really excited about it. Sorry, can you say the line again? So your line is, and I'm paraphrasing here, I don't have the script in front of me, but it pretty much you know the holocaust is a is a hoax so what do you and

they're paying you know guild rates you're going to get uh you know great great money for this great exposure it's a great opportunity what do you say to that it looks like you say yes yes and but it's yes and i've been watching some interesting videos on youtube the algorithm has started picking up on this conversation and directing me to a gentleman named dr jordan peterson he's got some fascinating ideas what i don't get is um like the editing really sticks out to me so i feel like there is some aftermath to this like there's some more scene that is not on the show that is not on the show that we don't get to see and i i would love to know what the intention behind this was was it him nervously

trying to make a joke and just you know we've all put now put our foot in our mouths uh a joke about holocaust denial at a jewish family's dinner is a pretty big version of that but at least it's some awkward ground to play with as comedic tension right but not in the show not if you throw it out and then bail on the scene immediately you know i just so then it's just left to us as the viewers to determine is this guy a fucking neo-nazi that hooked up with anthony briefly or is he a really inappropriate dude trying some humor to you know i mean i agree that there probably is another scene between that and the dinner party and then never mentioning or acknowledging that it happened again. But I prefer the version which is

they just wrote it in that far and then just kept going and ignored it. Yeah, yeah. Fuck. Actress Pike, you son of a bitch. If I could just return to Charlotte and Lily's sort of subplot in this episode. Lily gets it like,

we were saying earlier, Miranda gets some great opportunity like miranda's got a real freedom and cynthia nixon does some fantastic performing yeah really good sort of shouting acting which is overwhelmed really funny charlotte and lily they've got a great sort of they have a great caper subplot where lily's needing a lot of hand holding a lot of guidance to the tampon application and i also felt really happy to see like i could see a familial connection maybe for the first time between charlotte also felt really happy to see, like, I could see a familial connection, maybe for the first time between Charlotte and Lily.

I could see the way that Charlotte has raised Lily being reflected back to Charlotte. And a lot of that wasn't just Kirsten Davis. It was whoever the actor is playing. Lily is so good in this episode. She's so funny. She's been good all season. And, I mean, that was a lot of fun. And then you've got Carrie trying to,

Carrie's given an invitation at the start of the episode to pick up her morning of big. And, you know, basically the show is like, everyone knows that she's grieving and she's almost doing some of her grieving in private and we've moved on. And then they introduce a new character who was in the last episode, the jewelry designer.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. As an opportunity for carrie stoop girl yeah it's an opportunity for carrie to resume morning big and she does through that's her plot to the entire so she's taking the wedding ring on she's putting it off stoop girl rocks up to carrie's apartment and this is so sweet and she says i'm a jewel well sort of i guess it's kind of grind set hustle economy shit as well yeah but she heads upstairs and says to carrie bradshaw listen i'm a jewelry designer i made this for you i would love it if you would wear it and put it on your instagram because that is how i sell jewelry yeah which is just the times we live in she's not lying yeah it was realistic and then carrie's you know the guy was lamenting his departure peter the teacher all of a sudden they remember he exists.

He's getting a bit of a play. Peter's back. And Carrie goes on a date with him. Well, they schedule a date. And this was a nice tender moment. They schedule a date. Yeah, it was. They both turn up.

Carrie is there. This is like three quarters of the way through the ep, I feel, or maybe halfway through. And Peter says, listen, I've been a teacher for a long time. Immediately when he turns up, he says, I've been a teacher for a long time immediately when he turns up he says i've been a teacher a long time i can read faces really well i'm assuming the dog ate your homework and then carrie said look this isn't going to work um i i didn't want to text you i didn't want to break it off over text that didn't feel right and he was like you know what thanks and i get it what did he say at the end he said like best uh what was it best rejection yeah best rejection ever it was really sweet he is he seems like a genuinely sweet guy and it was brought up

because carrie has been back in the tumult of um morning big so she was yeah yeah and so yeah she says i'm not ready i've been wearing my husband's wedding ring and he says look i listened to my wife's uh her last voicemail and they're sort of only being friends and then at the end of it the rejection he's like well that's strike two and then they go away and at the end of the episode carrie sends him a text being like what do you think about strike three yeah yeah we are tantalized and excited that's literally the last thing that happens whatever the fuck but uh in between that we've got our sort of our supplementary supporting characters

who represent the role of diversity in New York City who have been peppered throughout the season. So we've got Todd and Lisa Wexley arriving to paint a homeless shelter in a limousine. Really funny. Really fun. We've got Naya Wallace and Andre who are at a massive crossroads in their relationship.

They've had this are they or aren't they going to have a child subplot running throughout it and it's it's been fun to watch it be the the the the man really wants the child and the the the woman doesn't want the child and watching that tension sort of that dance that they're doing amongst each other and there was actually quite a delightfully uh challenging scene between them it was good it was and well acted. It was coming to a head. It's just... Sorry, guys. Sorry for enjoying the episode

after and before the Holocaust bit. I... At the risk of... And do you know what's weird? I kind of enjoyed that but for all the wrong reasons. I don't think for the reasons they intended. I enjoyed it because...

Do you know what? It was perfect because this episode had so much great content in it and so much it's such great um overall really good structure it did feel very frantic and phonetic running around getting everyone's storylines into me at parts but lots of great performances lots of great writing we'd put the reins on carrie this episode which worked really well. And it was like a reminder. It's like, hey, just so you guys know, you are still watching something made by Mattress Bike. Yeah.

Which means you cannot trust it. 100%. Do not fully relax at any point. I couldn't agree more. It was just a welcome alarm bell that they put in the middle of the episode to be like, by the way, this is all insane and you can't trust any of it. If it reminded me of anything,

maybe the entire episode served as some sort of giant wooden structure in the shape of, I don't know, some four-legged animal of some description. Something equine. Yeah, something that you want to get past the gates of a large city, but then you actually hadn hidden a bunch of your soldiers inside of the big wooden statue. Yeah.

There's also some other Mattress Pikelet King details. And the soldiers are a Holocaust joke. Yeah. Fuck. There's also some other delightful soldiers in there. Like, we've still got the Carrie has an imaginary friend sort of sema who we were speculating early in the episode we were like sema and carrie scenes are all exist in a silo from the rest of her friends yeah we are essentially replicating the saint louis experience

and then almost in response to that carrie arrives to paint ship for some reason sema says i'll come with you if you've forgotten because this was a long time ago now so when we were watching sex in the city two one one sorry um uh jennifer hudson plays louise jennifer hudson's in it but every scene with her is just her and carrie she never meets anyone else we established that she is an invisible friend sema is essentially the same role there's a lot of carrie referencing se filling the same role. There's a lot of Carrie referencing Seema to other people. There's not a lot of other people

seeing or spending time with Seema. And almost in response to that in this episode, Seema brings Carrie to paint the homeless shelter. So there's an opportunity for her to meet, mingle,

and spend time with the friends. And she arrives immediately. She's like, and walks away in a way that no one else might have seen and then is just siloed off again separate from all of the other people sits by herself at an outdoor table smoking a cigarette looking cool as hell she does look fucking cool another cool guy in a convertible shows up he's like what the fuck are all these people doing here yeah yeah yeah i got a club around this general neighborhood what the fuck are these peasants doing exactly this guy's

cool as shit mainly for the reason that i speculate we've got an imaginary friend of carrie in sema and then sema is such a well fleshed out imaginary character because carrie is a writer that she has formed her own tertiary imaginary friend. Yes. So we've got like a derivatives market of imagined characters now. 100%. I'm here for it. Yeah. And they both smoke cigarettes. Yeah.

And they get along. And they look cool as fuck. And the episode ends with Seema and Carrie going for a dance at his very cool, very real club. And speaking of that, just while I run through some miscellanea before we run out of runway in this episode, one of my favorite parts, in fact, probably we haven't been doing a Shining Light this season, but aside from the phenomenal tonal interruption

of having a Holocaust denier feature in a comedy cameo in this episode, the footage of earlier on, it turns out it's Seema's birthday. Seema and Carrie are waiting in line to get into an exclusive and trendy club and the way it's shot they're sort of in the foreground and all in the background and it's shot from a low angle so it looks like they're normal sized and they're waiting in a line full of giants to get to a nightclub that is for giants you have to introduce do this to all to get to the club. It introduced the concept that giants exist in the Sex and the City. And there's so many of them that we had to build their own club to party in. And for some reason, Carrie and Seema really want to go party with the giants.

Yeah, I mean, look, it was an enjoyable episode. I feel like Miranda and Shay are still on. Oh, God. It was a very painful scene where they go to dinner. Everything between them is kind of painful. But they have dinner together and are interrupted by some fans of Shay, which I thought was going in a whole other direction. So they come over and say, we're big fans.

And then they're like like can we get a selfie miranda says i'll take it i'll take the photo for you and then they say oh my god are you famous too and miranda says no i'm just the girlfriend and there was a shot of shay making a face and i was like uh shay doesn't like the label that's what i thought that never fucking well it it did but not in a way that they really you know they spotlight it did, but not in a way that they really, you know, they spotlighted that piece of acting in a way that suggested it was going to happen. But later on, when they're having a conversation outside her apartment, Shay says, you know, stop trying to do boyfriends do this and girlfriends do this.

That was in response to a whole other moment. But also the sentence was said, I'm not your girlfriend or you're not my girlfriend. And they didn't dwell on it. Like they glossed over it. But basically, I still live in fear of their relationship. or you're not my girlfriend and they didn't dwell on it like they glossed over it but um basically i still live in fear of their relationship i think it's all miranda's going to come on too hot it looks like it's still poised it could go either way totally and sorry i did just want to um mention as well that where i was going with that is there's a very clunky line

from miranda where she so shay says you look very beautiful tonight i think something like that you know yeah much there and uh miranda says and you look very whatever gender and determinants um like non-exclusive word for you and i just you're fucking say you look hot yeah it's not hard it's not hard to say someone looks hot. It's also not hard to say someone looks beautiful. Zoe says I look beautiful sometimes. I love to hear it. Yeah, it's nice of her. Yeah, there were, it was a, you know, Shay enjoyed that.

It was a little, meant to be a little sort of moment where they're poking and prodding at each other. I don't know. In the name of love. I don't know in the name of love i don't know but the amount of i feel like here's my problem with the shay miranda thing we're at 35 minutes by the way i can tell you're trying to figure out the math my problem is this shay has obviously been through a lot if we take this character as a real person who's been through all the trials and tribulations of working out who they are yeah and and like there's lots of references to it in the show i think we've had a discussion about coming out to their family family was very

difficult or like perceived to be very difficult at the start and da da da all of this shit really been through the ringer i think a person in that situation wouldn't gravitate towards a middle-aged woman who was like at the start of that journey no i agree i it just doesn't make any sense to me that shea would be immediately attracted to someone still very awkwardly figuring their shit out and breaking up their marriage to a man and doing what i mean i think but this is where i think they're setting it up because i agree but i think there's an initial allure you know like the allure of attraction goes beyond any the heart one consideration yeah yeah yeah but that's true

there's a discovery she's also presented as a character who's got very good like boundaries for themselves and you know i feel like the threshold of getting into a relationship with someone is quite high for them and that they have to you know really it has to make sense yeah shea fucks a lot of people we find that we assume no we've been told especially this episode because those two fans who come up they're like oh and you sleep with our friend in sioux falls and you sleep with our friend in Sioux Falls. And you slept with our friend in Arizona. And, oh, you also fucked another one of our friends in California. Yeah.

It's a fun moment. That is fun. Yeah. I mean, look, the thing is, and this is a triumph of the season. And this is why I speak with a sort of a giddy tone of voice as I reflect on it is that I'm in the absolute, I'm enthralled by the season and I've got all these different balls in the air as we approach the season finale, perhaps the series finale, we don't know. And it's not where I expected to find myself

and it's not without its flaws, but I have been totally taken for the journey of this program. And again, we're coming at it from a unique and unusual lens. But to be honest, part of the fun, I think, is that I'm podcasting you where we're both falling over ourselves and each other to talk passionately about the thing we've just consumed. It's highly unusual. Yeah, I know. But it just strikes me as infinitely boring because that's what everyone's podcast is about.

Fuck that. Well, to be fair, we did quite a lot of homework to earn the right to do this. Yeah, we did, but we shouldn't stay in the valley. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's also made me realize, I think I always knew this in the back of my head, but probably never acknowledged

it out loud is that sex in the city and all of these kinds of shows they're so easy to to hate on and to take two dudes such as ourselves that don't have a lot of relatability to these things and just throw fucking poo at it from the outside but i can totally appreciate that a lot of people who have a dog in this fight in some way some personal reference to the journeys that these people are going through whether it is um struggling with your sexuality your gender identity learning how to put a condom sorry a tampon in for the first time and going through that with your mother um being widowed uh there's all of these big life experiences that are being uh you know attempted attempted in this show and albeit not always perfectly executed but i imagine it would be a very comforting thing particularly if you were

of a certain age maybe our age and slightly above who went through the tv show so i was very familiar with these characters has gone through some of these experiences yeah and now along for the i get it i agree and as someone who is only you know the basically the the movies walked so this could run because this stands on the shoulders of in my eyes the movies alone all that other preamble that people have dicked around with you may have heard the phrase uh standing on the shoulders of in my eyes the movies alone all that other preamble that people have dicked around with you may have heard the phrase uh standing on the shoulders of giants this series stands on the shoulders of smurfs that is sex in the city the film and sex in the city to the film yeah the movie uh but it feels like a show that's such dodgy scaffolding. You actually... You know, episode nine, they've put up not a bad...

It's found its place. And its place is still happily insane. Best character, worst character. I'll start with the worst character. It's not a hard one, this episode, Tim. It would be the neo-Nazi at the dinner party. Best character, Lily. Stressing out, having a lot of fun fun there's a lot of comedy in it um

and like representing i think very accurately you know the life of a teenage girl who's been brought up by her mom yeah no charlotte yours please best character seymour's new boyfriend who's probably imagined uh who is just this club owner who rocks in to the scene very hot cigarette in hand uh shirt unbuttoned gold chain with a um swagger in a soft top convertible just wanting to know what the fuck's going on in the neck of the woods while a uh a charity drive you know a community event to restore a homeless shelter is going on i i like that energy on screen not in real life but i i love characters like that on screen absolutely it gives me shades of when you liked um I believe it was Sex and the City 2, when you really took a shine to Tom one episode.

Oh, Tom the boss. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, yes. Yeah. And I would say my least favorite character was Seema for a lot of reasons, but particularly because she went to this Charity Drive community event to restore the shelter with Carrie and then immediately dipped

and it's like Well, if you don't exist, you kind of have to dip to No, I'm going to take it No, because like Carrie we're seeing some sort of rationalisation of her through Carrie's mind prism so she should have participated it is an insane thing to do to actually go to the trouble of turning up at an event like that and not helping.

You could tell by the way that Seema was dressed that she was not actually going to paint. Oh, tied equally with my other favorite character, Lisa Wexley, because what she was wearing reminded me a lot of Muammar Gaddafi's best suits, the height of his fashion. And for what it's worth, it reminded me a lot of Inspector Gadget's trench coat. All the cargo pockets were filled with cosmetic care, hairbrushes, tweezers, all sorts of odds and ends. If you replaced the golden hairbrushes and mirrors

with those military-style brass and gold patches that Gaddafi would wear. Very similar vibe. It's got to be said though, it's very satisfying to see every single pocket on like a cargo jacket or pair of shorts to be used. Yeah, yeah. All right, everybody. We'll see you in the next episode.

I think we're going to have, we will have some guests for the last time. Definitely. Yeah. 100%. I don't know who it is yet thank you so much for joining us

on this journey it's been fun and also we're like we're cooking up a bunch of other cool shit so if you're a Worst Idea fan

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