The Worst Idea Of All Time - Cashin’ a Newacheck: Happy Gilmore 2

Episode Date: September 22, 2026

As we all count down the hotly anticipated release of Grown Ups 3 in H1 ‘27, today we explore the sequel to the adored 1996 comedy classic Happy Gilmore, Happy Gilmore 2, directed by Kyle Newacheck ...(Workaholics). This cinematic project could be considered the artful packaging of a financial transaction between 200 brands and personalities. It could be considered a rather cynical and lazy successor to a film that was responsible for making Adam Sandler a breakout hit, and household name. It could also be held up as a rare example of Rob Schneider being seen amongst normal entertainers in 2026. What is could not be identified as, however, is a good movie. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Tim here, if you want to see me in the flesh and you're in New Zealand or Australia, good news. I'm coming to Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney, Auckland and Wellington for the comedy festivals. Please buy some tickets now at timbat.com.com. Ladies and gentlemen, we are gathered here today in glorious union. Timbo and Guy Guy, reunited with one of the classics. Adam Sandler's back for Happy Gilmore 2. That's right. A Netflix original.
Starting point is 00:00:41 Question mark. It certainly felt like it. I'm Guy Montgomery. That announcer in the studio is Tim Bat. This is the worst idea of all times adventure into the sandler system as we explore the back catalog of not just Adam, but Dennis and fellow collaborators in anticipation of grown-ups three release date, TBC. previously we've got a window though we've got a window don't we it'll probably be the first half of next year
Starting point is 00:01:11 I think it'll be approaching mid next year according to the financial markets H1 27 oh what's H half yeah okay Q2 Q2 Q2 27 we've got to boost those numbers everybody we get those algorithms juiced yeah so we have most recently we watched
Starting point is 00:01:29 Happy Gilmore the 1996 box office and critically, well, probably... Where are you going with this? That were different things. Critically middling and eventually adorned classic. But box office also pretty successful, but not a stratospheric. But certainly an introduction for many to the works of Adam Sandler, and one of the films that helped establish his box office dominance and his rising star
Starting point is 00:01:55 as one of the comedy icons of the 1990s into 2000s that, of course, make way to a long and storied career. I would say mostly long. We had to put a spotlight on one of those two adjectives. And before grown-ups too, this was not a man who amucked around with sequels. But then, of course, we've got the Hotel Transylvanias. Can I observe something already in this early stage of the episode? The tone has shifted so much.
Starting point is 00:02:26 We have been gassing Adam Sandler up with reverence and love. and respect for quite a while and hot off the back of the watch of Happy Gilmore 2, suddenly it's back to you know what? This guy's been around a long time. This guy's been around a long time. And look, this is, this is by, this movie cannot hurt me. That's one thing I'd like to say right off the top. Well, not on one watch.
Starting point is 00:02:49 No. So take that. Yeah. Okay. Cool. This movie cannot hurt me. And it cannot take away from the original. I think I had a lot of laughs.
Starting point is 00:03:00 I'm not afraid to say that. a lot of laughs. They had a lot of cameos. Your laughs, though, were layered, I would say. Some of the lives, I think, were, you know, super, well, I don't want to say superficial, pure, right? They weren't three-dimensional laughs. They were two-dimensional laughs, and I mean that in a good way.
Starting point is 00:03:17 Yeah. They were just like, something's funny. They were someone watching a movie laughing. I respond biologically to that being funny. I sneered, I sort of sneered laughed a bit, where it was just like, gosh, it's too much. Well, here's what I think happened. Go on. I think that, and this is, it's a creative movie.
Starting point is 00:03:37 They made a movie that could bring everyone along. They made a movie that would bring their OG fans along. They made a movie for people who have not seen Happy Gilmore before. They made a movie for people who probably don't even know who Adam Sandler is if those people exist in the world. They made a movie for parents with children who are meeting Happy Gilmore for Adam Sandler and Happy Gilmore for the first time. Like this, the shortcomings of this movie are deliberate. And the movie doesn't perceive them as shortcomings. They perceive them as concessions to guarantee satisfaction for the largest possible number of people.
Starting point is 00:04:12 You are carrying water for the algorithm and I won't stand for it. When I have in my life tried to attempt meditation in a serious way to really clear my mind of all conscious door in it, there's a kind of a visual metaphor that I return to, which is everything coming together into a, like a hole that's too big for everything. And that, for some reason, whatever reason really helps me clear my mind. It's like not everything can fit in the hole
Starting point is 00:04:41 and then everything just evaporates and then there's nothing. That's what Happy Gilmore 2 is. They tried to fit so much fucking shit into the hole that they wound up with nothing. This movie started kind of strong. Should we maybe go through the plot? Is that a useful place to start? Should we describe what happens in the movie?
Starting point is 00:05:01 I think an efficient recap. I don't think we need to get bogged down because the entire movie is told like in double speed. Because it has a hefty two hour runtime. It finishes. If like us you're interested to see how long in the movie's left and you see there's 15 minutes as the movie is visibly ending in front of you. Do not worry. Time remains as it was. It just so happens that this movie has 15 minutes.
Starting point is 00:05:26 minutes of sort of the Netflix-style international credits. I think that's what's going on. We didn't stick around to find out, but I hit pause. Firstly, I watched this movie, I think, as Netflix intended, which is at home in a really hot room with a two-year-old with a fever between me. Yeah. On my lap. And I watched it also as Netflix intended, in the same room from a safe distance.
Starting point is 00:05:49 And it was like, we had to change rooms, so I hit pause. and it was at an hour 35, then we came in here and we watched 10 minutes, and then I hit pause again to see where we were at. The movie was ending visibly in front of this. And then there was 15 minutes left, and we were both very confused, and we were like, okay, I guess there's another 15 minutes of movie,
Starting point is 00:06:11 and then the movie did end. But it's 15 minutes of credits. It is so full of surprises. That wouldn't have surprised me if it was 15 minutes more of movie, even though they were playing the same closing credit song from the original Happy Gilmore, which of course is Tuesday's Gone by Lynn and Skinner. In this instance, that didn't actually herald the closing credits.
Starting point is 00:06:29 They faded that out. There was a reveal that Happy Gilmore had won himself an electric Rolls Royce. He goes to drive it. It's out of battery. He goes, ah, it's out of battery. And then he picks... Fuck you, EVs. That's right.
Starting point is 00:06:40 And then he gets his clubs from the back of the car and starts walking down a sort of empty American side road to Tom Petty's. It's the waiting that's the hardest part, which is, as ever with REO speedwagons, live every moment. I don't know who it's a wink to. I don't know if it was the diehard Happy Gilmore fans who had to wait a full 29 years before they could enjoy their sequel. I don't know if it's to the people who are begrudgingly watching this for their obscure niche podcasts who had to, you know,
Starting point is 00:07:10 navigate an hour and 45 minutes worth of the sequel. I think it's for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers fans. This movie's trying to welcome everybody. Yeah, yeah. Perhaps it's for Tom Petit and the Heartbreakers fans who are waiting to hear a song featured in a post-credit sequence in an Adam Sandler film for the first time.
Starting point is 00:07:25 But any way you slice it, the entire movie, this is what I mean when I say it's for people who know it and people who don't. They do a lot of callbacks to the most all-star jokes from the first movie. Now, if, like us, you just watched it, you wouldn't need a flashback sequence
Starting point is 00:07:40 borrowed from Family Guy to tell you that this is how the joke went the first time. But literally every single time they offered the initial joke, well, not every, but I'd say 80%. Every time they offer you the sort of retelling of the joke,
Starting point is 00:07:53 they will then offer you, you a flashback to experience the joke as filmed on celluloid in 1996. Because generally in storytelling you have show or tell and the traditional idiom is that you want to show don't tell. You don't want to be too explicit with your explanation rather just, you know, depict the thing and give the audience a little bit of credit that they can put the pieces together. Adam Sandler is an innovator in the genre of comedy because what he has decided to do in Happy Gilmore 2 is to show and tell.
Starting point is 00:08:23 That's right. which is brilliant well that's right at first of all there's a there's a showing or no first all there's a telling which is the the joke as it stands by itself in modern times then there is the showing of the joke as it was told originally and then there is the telling of the original joke which works in simultaneous sort of broadcast with the showing so it's tell show tell this is where we're at as a society yeah just absolutely fucked in the brain you reckon I said it's the two device thing I really think the directive from all of these Netflix executives that every piece of content that is on the
Starting point is 00:08:59 platform that's an original production has to be understandable while you are scrolling through Instagram at the same time that you're observing the movie. Could be Instagram, could be looking after you're ill, two-year-old. But what they need is for you to follow the plot. It's ironic, because if they made it a little bit more dense, they're people going backwards, that are people spending longer on the platform, it would use the stats, it would look really good for the money, man. That's not how people work.
Starting point is 00:09:21 People go on Netflix, they go too hard. next movie because nothing has value anymore because there's 5,000 average movies at the tip of your fingers. So you just move on to the next one, which is, of course, Kevin James, here comes the boom. Well, of all, and I know that the start of this conversation we're having right now is us promising to recount the plot, that is forthcoming. But of everything that I know of Adam Sandler, of everything we have covered so far as we dive deeper into the Sandler system, I think this is probably the most Although we're dealing with different properties
Starting point is 00:09:54 But I think this is the most representative Of what we will experience upon the release of grownups three It's the same collaboration between Sandlin director It's Carl Neuichick It's like a similar amount of Well, less time but it's sort of I think it speaks to Who grownups three will be servicing
Starting point is 00:10:11 Grownups through will be servicing The people who are fans of the original two grownups movies Which is funny because Happy Gilmore has a deserved canonical place in sort of the Hall of Fame of comedy movies. Grownups has always been hated. Grownups 2 has always been heavily made fun of. And it doesn't work. I think one stylistic difference we will experience is that grownups 3, none of the callbacks to jokes which have previously been spoken,
Starting point is 00:10:39 will warrant the flashback sequence. Like, no one is walking around arguably except us, like quoting gross. Grownups 2 at infinitive for... Dinosaurs! Yeah, literally because I have the mental illness we gave ourselves, which means I often think in grown-ups two soundbites. I don't think a lot of people have that affliction. So I don't think the flashbacks will be as strong of a feature as it was in Happy Gilmore 2.
Starting point is 00:11:06 I will say, yeah, the sort of the catch-all nature of the sequel speaks to what we're going to get with grown-ups 3. Okay. But I found this... Are you worried about that? I'm worried about that. This, yeah, look, I found this to be like happily middling. This was an inoffensive entrance into the Happy Gilmore canon. I don't think of it as having to exist alongside the first.
Starting point is 00:11:29 This is just like Adam Sandler acknowledging his legacy, reminding people why they love him, getting his immediate family some screen time, getting his people paid. Like, obviously... Got his daughter that sad card, didn't he? He got both his daughters the sad card. Well done you.
Starting point is 00:11:45 they already had it anyway they've both got features coming out soon I think separate features Jackie's in there of course I think also this is a reminder potentially to us of just how beloved Adam Sandler is across
Starting point is 00:11:59 cinema and sports like literally the universe this is the most cameo stuffed movie I can remember seeing in a long time I would be shocked if there's a movie with more cameos than the movie we just watched
Starting point is 00:12:10 I don't know how you would do it and we're talking cameos like the cameo net has been this is this is bottom dredging this isn't just like this isn't line court cameos this is literally putting something at the bottom of the ocean and seeing what you pull up because this isn't just golf superstars this isn't just Hollywood superstars
Starting point is 00:12:28 it's not just music superstars it is also like stars of the sandless system who would otherwise have no place to go there wouldn't be a set that they could walk onto and be given a speaking role or given a profile like I'm talking put some respect on Rob Schneider's name Go on what, go on, Ray. Rob Schneider, no, no. I mean, look.
Starting point is 00:12:48 Rob Schneider, Rob Schneider, what are we to do with you? He doesn't count as a cameo. Like, that is to say, he's in the movie, but, like, his appearance, you can't chalk it up to a cameo because it's Rob Schneider. Like, he's got a position. It's an interesting thing. He's an interesting question with respect to cameos,
Starting point is 00:13:05 because I feel as though cameos traditionally, or maybe they are, maybe they're supposed to pop in and out. Maybe they're equal. Maybe. Maybe. in my head I'm like a cameo is usually bestowed by someone on the on the on the on the on the thing to enhance the value of the thing do you know what I'm saying so Bob Barker for example is bestowing higher value on happy Gilmore he is this he is a far higher status object than the movie is they can be they can be mutually beneficial after the fact like if you believe in the project that you're cameoing on it might be that it gives you some credence or introduces to you to a wider audience and you would otherwise have had a access to. Yeah. But I think that the person bestowing the cameo is usually offering greater value to the product that they're doing a cameo in. Well, I think that is how it used to work. And I think
Starting point is 00:13:54 as time's gone on, I think it's become increasingly apparent that you and I are not the 25-year-old men that started off this podcast. We are different older men now. I think what we are in now is like an almost financialisation-styled markets of mutual reciprocal value. It's not a cameo what we're seeing. It's a cross-promotion of two cultural entities coming together to try and share in some profits. For reference, for those of you who are listening, you might not be aware of this, but the movie is currently playing out behind Tim and I, for those of you, on the substack. And we can currently see Happy Gilmore's return to the golf course towards the start of the movie.
Starting point is 00:14:36 He goes on a four ball at like a sort of community golf course with Eric Andre, Margaret Qualley, and Martin Hurley, who might be known to some of you as a member of Police Don't Destroy, who are the digital Saturday Night Live group. His father, Tim Hurlehy, is an old Adam Sandler collaborator. They wrote the original Happy Gilmore together. Tim Hurley is credited with the line, you eat pieces of shit for breakfast. So it's not surprised, you know, like as you talk about this sort of cross-promotion quid pro quo, this sort of new economy in which we were living, to have. to have and he's a good comic actor I like the guy but you know that speaks to this right this is that like when they made the first one
Starting point is 00:15:14 he was probably being born Martin yeah how old is he like 30 yeah they'd probably be about right so there must be an immense satisfaction you know for for Adam and for Tim to be in a position in their lives where they can make a second
Starting point is 00:15:29 heavy girl and be like and hey it's why it's it's redundant getting mad and it's funny what we're doing but it's it's It's redundant getting mad about what anything that Adam Sandler, you know, does or produces. Because it's like getting mad at the ocean. You know what I'm? It's like punching a wave. It's just like it's going to do what it's going to do.
Starting point is 00:15:48 And it doesn't care what you think of it. And it doesn't affect it in any way. No. It's too powerful. I mean, that is the truth. It's too powerful. So this is too powerful. Okay.
Starting point is 00:16:02 This is like doing a podcast about gravity. Yeah. It's like, oh, and then gravity put us down. It's like, okay, you cannot still be talking about gravity. We're all living in gravity's world. Damn, this is not bode well for the next two years of my life. So let's go through the plot, if we may, because we did promise to do that. So first of all, we open the moor.
Starting point is 00:16:25 You're going to do a far better job of this than me because you always do, because my brain's all jumbled up. But, like, he's really taken a page out of the Kevin James, Paul Blatmore cop. book in terms of how to kick off a sequel. The introduction of emotional stakes. Basically, we get the same flashback that brought us into Happy Gilmore, the original. We see him in his old hockey uniform and he's doing the voice. He was saying I'm Happy Gilmore. I was a hockey player, except it wasn't any good.
Starting point is 00:16:48 So I started playing golf and I won a lot of money. And this is all told through a combination of original flashbacks as featured in Happy Gilmore and what we would call new flashbacks as Fetched and Happy Gilmore, which are flashbacks to Happy Gilmore. What do you call the flashbacks to Happy Gilmore that are also flashbacks? We call those double flashbacks. There's not a lot of them, but keep your eyes peeled because you're going to see a couple. Anyway, at the start of the movie, he explains that he was a loser hockey player. He became a very wealthy golfer.
Starting point is 00:17:12 He fell in love with, what is their fucking name? The character's name, Venet. Veronica Venet? No, Veronica was from Billy Madison. Veronica upon, so hot, want to touch the haini. Sub-Virginia Venet. Always with the V's. What's going on, Adam?
Starting point is 00:17:29 I'll talk to you later. Anyhow. It's just the first letter of vagina. He is in love. They have four children in four years. Everyone's like, whoa, and then we had a daughter. My wife had a new best friend. They're living a beautiful, happy life.
Starting point is 00:17:43 They're in his grandma's old house and happy sort of saying, but even when you're riding high, things can go wrong. We see him hit one of his iconic famous drives. On Mother's Day, the drive is slightly hooked. It goes flying over the fairway. Then it veers left and slams right into the middle of the forehead of his beloved. Virginia, did I say? Virginia, Virginia, Venice.
Starting point is 00:18:01 Julie Bowen. Killed on impact. a la the start of Paul Glapmore Cop 2. Getting drilled by a milk truck. And it is quite shocking. There's no warning that it's about to happen. As a fan, you are quite excited, knowing that the original cast is back
Starting point is 00:18:18 is one of the sort of selling points. It's one of the points of excitement. And so to sort of set up the sequel and then kill off, you know, Julie Bowen, it's not like she's gone on to obscurity between Happy Gilmore and this. She is, in some ways, Oh, it's even hard to say that. Everyone is so famous in this movie.
Starting point is 00:18:37 Holy shit. When we start going through the cameos, it's going to blow your goddamn socks off. But, you know, she is a wildly known and beloved television actor now. Modern families had, how many seasons? It feels like 12. Who knows? That's one of the, that's going to be, that's friends for a new generation, isn't it? Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:18:56 It's friends for the friends' generation, because the friends' generation refused to grow up. Okay. I fucking hate our generation. Why? I just think we're embarrassing. Hold on. Let's get into this. Why is that?
Starting point is 00:19:11 I just think we're, I just think we're disgraceful. The millennials? Yeah. Why's that? Ah, just parading around in a cartoon t-shirt with a fucking half a liter of monster energy drink puffing on some fruit-flavored smoke.
Starting point is 00:19:24 You're describing yourself walking into my house two hours ago. Yeah. You need to go easy on Guy Montgomery. I'm not happy with him. Anyway, look, that's by the bye. We do not have time. You're not going to therapies me what I'm talking about. Happy Gilmore, too.
Starting point is 00:19:37 You might. You can have it to go. But yeah, so she's now dead. This sends Sandler off the deep end. Happy Gilmore starts drinking. One of the early and recurring gags in the movie is that literally everything he touches is a vessel for alcohol. He's sipping out of a cucumber at his job at the supermarket. He's sipping out of his remote control.
Starting point is 00:19:56 He's sipping out of the pepick grinder. He's hitting a little bottle of Jack Daniels and his grandmother's. cuckoo clock. It is important to note that it is Jack Daniels. This is not a movie that's afraid of product placement. On the contrary. So he's a loser. This is good too. They do a call back to him going
Starting point is 00:20:13 through in the first movie all the jobs that he's had on his CV where it's just humping something and they do it with his sons. His four sons all pick up the same jobs and they all do exactly the same gear. So the sons are these sort of they're all named after famous hockey players. They're like these Wayne, I can't remember the other ones
Starting point is 00:20:29 but they're all like louts. They love They're like oh oh oh lads, lads, lads, lad's, then he's got this sort of incredible daughter
Starting point is 00:20:35 who is his real life daughter whose name is Vivian? It is. It's another Vian. Got a real thing for the Vee's.
Starting point is 00:20:43 And she is a very talented dancer her dance coach. I'm so glad you asked Jackie Sandler get her in there nice and early. Okay.
Starting point is 00:20:50 She is such a talented dancer that the dance coach says to happy Gilmore look, your daughter's far better than anyone I've ever taught.
Starting point is 00:20:56 There's a very exclusive dance school in Paris. I've, I've sensed. and videos of her they're holding a place for her he says Paris where's that is that close she goes it's in France and he goes okay good how much is the dance no no he says is it free yeah which i laughed that that was good she's no 75000 dollars a year so we have now established the parameters in which
Starting point is 00:21:15 the movie has to exist or so you would think yeah this of course later morphs since happy gilmore having just like traditional golf yeah but as it originally stands so i would say if this was kind of following the storytelling rules that Happy Gilmore, a very successful movie did. It's like, okay, sick. So the mum's dead. Sad.
Starting point is 00:21:34 That is, thank you. You're right. Let's name our emotions, everyone. That is sad. She got taken out by a golf ball. Yeah. Which is in a lot of ways the co-star of the movie.
Starting point is 00:21:47 Yeah. So that's sad. Sad. So she gets killed within two minutes of the film opening. And then Adam said, Happy Gilmour is a drift.
Starting point is 00:21:57 He's a soak. Turns to the bottom. Great. So rock bottom immediately. Yeah. Benny, I'll tell you who comes along. Benny Saftey's in early. But this is what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:22:08 If it was just, okay, so we'd now have to watch Happy Gilmore pick himself up by his bootstraps again. Because he's out of the game for 10 years. Yeah. He tells us. He doesn't pick up a golf club for a cool decade and he loses all of his abilities. So if it was kind of the first movie, and the first movie, and the first movie worked,
Starting point is 00:22:26 then it's kind of like, that's the film, that's the journey, that's the trajectory. Yeah, yeah. But what we get instead is the Netflixification of cinema,
Starting point is 00:22:36 which is, A, there used to be a thing known as a, I think the concept was called a four tent pole movie where, or a four quadrant movie where you were trying to design
Starting point is 00:22:48 a film that could be watched and enjoyed by, you know, the big different demographics. Who were they? I don't know, mum, dad, junior and girl. Whatever it was.
Starting point is 00:23:01 How come girls are never called junior? I don't know, man. Yeah. The patriarchy, probably. Yeah. Think about it. But now, culture has become so fractured because of the algorithmic internet
Starting point is 00:23:18 that we all live in. It's not four quadrants anymore. Now we're dealing with some sort of theoretical dodecahedron-esque shape of audiences that we're trying to bring together. So all of a sudden, you have conservatively 60 incredibly famous people who pop up in this movie from different walks of life representing different fan bases, ages, ethnicities, cultural backgrounds to try and draw them into this movie that's not very good. Yeah, you'd say hypothetical reasons for anyone to watch the movie.
Starting point is 00:23:54 is why they're in the movie. It is, it is, I mean, this is movie making now for Netflix, and I like, I get it. I'm not too mad about it
Starting point is 00:24:02 because I understand it, but it is, it is like the financialization, even more so, of movie making. Because what it is, is it's going, Stephen A. Smith has got,
Starting point is 00:24:12 they will cut him tall, story style reels of like a trailer with him in it that he can share on his Instagram. That is in his contract. He's not really getting paid to be in the movie. He's getting paid to post that he's in the movie on his social channels. And I would say that is the same for all of the people that we see in this movie.
Starting point is 00:24:31 I mean, to be fair, I think a lot of them would also be Adam. Like a lot of them are young who would be Adam Sandler fans. Yeah. You know, if he said to us, do you want to be in the movie? Because this movie does, as ever, feature podcasters. Yeah, yeah. This features Bobby Lee and Andrew. And Andrew Santino, bad friends are seen discussing Maxigolf, which is a subplot that we'll introduce shortly.
Starting point is 00:24:52 Also call her daddy. I believe it's called it I'm not actually super familiar with that one I just wanted before we continue to talk about I should of Rogan was in this that would be I guess unsurprising I would be shocked
Starting point is 00:25:04 I was shocked by one cameo and one cameo alone and we will get to it later but it was the only one that really fucking threw me I think to your point of like you know the differences between this movie and the original and the over commodification of storytelling
Starting point is 00:25:20 and like there's an irony isn't it that they were want movies to be more straightforward or to be double, not more straightforward, but they want to be double screened, right? Yeah. Like that, I guess I just don't understand why like a very straightforward piece of storytelling that did its job beautifully and satisfied all of its needs. They want to make a movie that is more easily digestible than that. How do you, how do you, how do you then like have introduced so many subplots, so many additional characters? Yeah, man. It runs contrary to the stated purpose.
Starting point is 00:25:53 You're right. Hot Ones. We forgot that. It's playing on the screen right now. Hot Ones is in this. Dude, yes, absolutely. Do you know what I think it's led to? Because for some reason, it does feel like plots and for some reason more complicated.
Starting point is 00:26:09 Like there's just more bits to it. And what it has led to by my estimation of movies that have been made the last like 20 years, let's say, there's fucking too much dialogue. There's so much dialogue because it's so necessary to get the. exposition for all of these coldest acts in the story they don't really add to the core journey that you're doing and this movie's a great example it's just fucking like wall to wall explanation of yeah why this person's here and what this thing's doing and because you have to over-explain everything because someone's scrolling on their phone anyway yeah yeah there's so much shit there's too much shit on me yeah this is a big time there's too much shit on me situation but
Starting point is 00:26:49 also like you've got all of that you've got them restating the plot over and over then you've got Dan Patrick, I think, who was most famously to you, if you're listening to this podcast, who wants to watch me climb a rope from grownups to, one of the all-time line reads funniest moments week after week. And not just of that movie, but of any film I've seen. He is, in real life, he's a sportscaster. He's got the Dan Patrick show. So in this, he's got the Pat Daniels show.
Starting point is 00:27:16 And he is doing constant news style bulletins. That doesn't have to show anyone watching it. It's just like cut to a bulletin. offering exposition and information to advance the plot. And then we move to where the plot's advanced to. And then we have these characters restating the plot over and over while introducing various new cameos. So basically the two strands of the movie are,
Starting point is 00:27:36 number one, Happy Gilmore needs to raise $300,000 to put his very talented daughter through four years of Parisian dance school. Number two, he doesn't know he's going to do that. One of the options on the table is returning to the golf tour and making them only the traditional way. The other way, which might be allegorical for live golf,
Starting point is 00:27:56 which we talked about a little bit in our last episode, is that Benny Safdi has set up something called Maxi Golf, which is like wanting to revitalise golf. He's sort of played as this young, yuppie fuckwit, who's got a very funny little beard. Didn't we have a conversation? Yeah, we got into that whole live golf thing, so it's kind of playing out in this movie.
Starting point is 00:28:14 Yeah, I think it's similar. And the interesting thing is, in the, there are professional golf cameos, Like a lot. There's one scene in which it's basically a room full of professional golfers and Adam Sandler. Yeah. Which, you know, if you think back to the last movie, I think there were two professional golf cameos. It is like remarkable to see.
Starting point is 00:28:36 But the film sort of de Nouvement, which is a face-off between essentially traditional golf, as represented by Happy Gilmore, Rory McElroy, Scotty Sheffler, Bryson DeShambo, and Brooks Kepke. and then like maxi golf which is proxy for live golf which is sort of these people like flex and eight ball and they've got all these cool names um interestingly because if it is allegorical which i feel as though it is inside of the professional golfers who are representing traditional golf you have golfers who defected to live golf in this movie and rory mackereloy was like the most outspoken critic of live golf on the traditional on the pGA tour right like to the point that I know that him and Bryson de Chambo do not like each other whatsoever like sincerely don't like each other they're doing scenes together I know that Brooks kept it defected to live golf
Starting point is 00:29:30 and so sort of interesting to see that How much fucking money is being waved in front of everyone to be in this movie together then? Man a lot of people like a lot of people doing this movie for the fun of it Are you for real?
Starting point is 00:29:45 I think it's fun for them to have a day on set Like it's fun for Scotty Sheffler who's an American who grows up watching playing golf like Happy Gilmore would be a seminal inspirational golfing text to them get to show up and fucking do a few line reds with Adam Sandler Their agents wouldn't let them be in a Netflix movie
Starting point is 00:30:04 For less than big bucks, you know Can you get a list up? Yeah, yeah. Bad Bunny is in this movie extensively. It makes sense for Bad Buddy because this genuinely expands his range. this was a great advertisement for Bad Bunny the actor. Bad Bunny plays Happy Gilmore's new caddy.
Starting point is 00:30:25 And they had a nice little joke in there, actually, in reference to the original caddy. Can you on Mike, please? In reference to the original caddy from the last movie. I'm trying to remember the professional golfer's name. Zella, what's his name? Will Zellatoris. Okay.
Starting point is 00:30:47 who looked like, so they're in the, and this was like an online joke that then came to bear in the movie. But basically, between the movie Heavy Gilmore and that blonde caddy who he strangles a bunch of times, a professional golfer rose through the ranks called Will Zellatoris, who bears a striking resemblance to the caddy. Oh, sick. So in this movie, when you meet him and he's like, oh, you're my old caddy. Can you do it for me again? He's like, I can't because I'm playing against you.
Starting point is 00:31:10 We're actually in the same group. That's a genuine professional golfer Will Zalotaurus. Oh, is that? Yeah, yeah, who everyone joked like, oh, the caddy. but so he was great I thought it was the same actor who played the caddy that's just a that's a professional golfer who looks like the caddy he was he turned in a sensational performance
Starting point is 00:31:28 I got real good genuine laugh out of one of his line roots there you go done mate so yeah so let's talk about what can't he do let's talk about golf comedic acting I'm gonna tell you some of the actors you're gonna tell me if you think they were cameos or actors I also don't think that people getting paid a lot of money to be in this movie I think the lot like I'd say those big golfers we were just talking about to show up in the main party. Maybe they got half a million dollars each to show up for a couple of days on set.
Starting point is 00:31:52 That's a lot. That's a lot of money. Well, not to them. I'm not up to that. But they make like fucking, I don't know, 20 times that money for playing around, for playing a golf tournament. That's doing their job. That's right.
Starting point is 00:32:05 This is fucking around with Adam Sandler for a couple days. I also think these would have been much longer days for them than a day playing golf. Like the idea of being on sets fun, but then doing it, they'd be like, oh man, there's a lot of standing around. Oh, potentially. Well, standing around in golf, I imagine, as well. So anyway, these are not cameos. A lot of ways playing golf, it's like making a movie.
Starting point is 00:32:24 Yeah. It's a good walk ruined. Adam Sandler, not a cameo. Julie Bowen, an actor kind of force-fed a cameo. Not a cameo. With a reduced role. Christopher McDonald is Shooter McGavin, who becomes allied to Happy Gilmore and a twist from the original movie.
Starting point is 00:32:38 We should talk about him. Yeah. We should talk about him right now. Okay. Here's my issue with Shooter McAvon in this movie. The character works so well. What's the actor's name again? Christopher McDonald.
Starting point is 00:32:48 Absolutely superb at playing a high status villain. What I want to see him doing is, is quippy lines with a cool voice, which he has, with a good timbre. He's like six foot four. Looks like a king. What he is depicted as in this movie is, well, he's been in an insane asylum for 30 years. It's a pretty funny gig. there's like he's dishevelled
Starting point is 00:33:16 and stuff so then it's like well the thing that made him so perfectly cast and great in the first movie has sort of been
Starting point is 00:33:22 taken away now and I don't want to see that I don't want to see this particular guy cast in a role where he's down
Starting point is 00:33:29 and out that's not where he shines and like the entire movie bar about six minutes at the end
Starting point is 00:33:35 he's either butt-ass naked you know I don't want to see his ass he's a high status villain
Starting point is 00:33:43 I don't I get to see his ass, but I do see his ass in this movie, and it makes me sad. It's taken away all his power. I don't even remember his ass. It's there. You see his ass. Well, I thought... It's when he's talking to Ben Safty.
Starting point is 00:33:56 Yeah, that's right. Can you put some underwear on? Yeah, yeah. So basically, Benny Safty's trying to recruit professional golfers to join the Maxi Golf League. No one really wants to do it. Benny Safty, great actor. Weird looking guy. As part of it, he pays to get Shooter McGavin out of his insane asylum on the condition that he
Starting point is 00:34:13 joins the maxi golf tour. Jim McGavin's like, I'm not doing that and throws hot coffee in his face, runs away. He's kind of on the run. He links up with Heavy Gilmore. They're like, we have to do this together. It's not really clear why, but I do feel as though, even in explaining that kinds of sets up the tone for the movie, which is like, this is not a movie that is designed to withstand intense critical analysis.
Starting point is 00:34:33 And yet it is still a movie that should be designed to withstand at least a little bit more. I would say they've spent a lot of time thinking about some things. But then if you think about any aspect of it twice, it's pretty paper thin. Because you're right. So Shudan McAvon is here. And he goes in front of the parole board. This is sort of the introduction to saying that he's still around in this universe. And the parole board say, listen, you've been on remand for almost three decades.
Starting point is 00:34:59 We are very much inclined to let you go as a result. And he says, well, that's great. Obviously, I'd return to the community and I'd want to help children and snuggle animals wherever possible. I say, well, what will happen if you encounter Happy Gilmore? And he says, absolutely nothing. I'm totally over that. It's fine. And they say, what about if it was on a golf course?
Starting point is 00:35:19 He says, no, that's fine. And then they say, well, what if he's wearing a gold jacket? And this sets him into a blind rage. Yeah. And they say, all right, fuck face. You're not ready. You're not ready to be paroled. So then, yeah, Benny Safty buys him out.
Starting point is 00:35:32 And then he's sort of out underneath his thumb until he throws coffee in him. And he runs away. He comes across Happy Gilmore in a graveyard, which has tombstones that are like everywhere. basically who's died between heavy Gilmore and now either on or off camera the kind of the whole framing of it is you see Bob Barker's tombstone and then that gone speaking of a very funny Instagram reel I sent you recently which was Bob Barker's a racist Bob Barker avoiding black contestants on the prices right different time I think it was born in the 30s but it is a very funny montage he's generally quite frightened yeah it's not a good look it's not a good look
Starting point is 00:36:10 So they are in the graveyard that has Bob Barker's tombstone and shot, and then they replicate the famous fight, which became like cult classic status in terms of a... It won the first ever MTV... Best fight? Best fight in a movie award. And they replicate that fight, but it's kind of like meaningless.
Starting point is 00:36:30 Yeah. It obviously doesn't have the same pizzazz to it. And then thereafter, Happy Gilmore and Shooter are like best buds. They teamed up. Nothing has really happened. and they just kind of beat the shit out of each other a little bit, and now they're a line.
Starting point is 00:36:45 So I think where the movie gets confused, if it was just happy trying to win back the money so that he could pay for his daughter and go to dance school, I'm like, well, it might be a bit thin, but also that's enough. Yeah. But at some point, his mission becomes hijacked by this broader plot, which is that we need to save traditional golf from maxi golf.
Starting point is 00:37:05 Yeah. And so Happy Gilmore is not put for by Benny Safte. Yeah, is not just playing for his daughter. he's playing to save traditional golf. Benny Safdi's character in this is fascinating, because I don't have a full read on who the sky is, but the clues. Benny Safti or the character?
Starting point is 00:37:19 The character. Both. But I don't really want to know too much about Benny Safty, the man. I've got a very concerning vibe about what he's capable of. He's got a fascinating face, doesn't he? Really interesting look. He's definitely, like he's shaved the bit, you know, like every decision he makes,
Starting point is 00:37:40 deepens the intrigue about Beni Saffty. He's leaned in to a very powerful and mysterious, like Dr. Strange facial hair. I mean, but Benny Safi's appearance here is like, it's testament to Sandler's reach. Obviously him and, him and his brother directed him in Uncut Gems,
Starting point is 00:38:00 but it's like, Benny Safty's here, I guess because he loves Adam Sandler and probably grew up loving Happy Gilmore. Like I think so many people are here just because they loved Happy Gilmore growing up. Yeah, probably anyway. Benny Safdi's character in this is some sort of maniacal, like, billionaire-esque kind of guy who has like a compound.
Starting point is 00:38:19 And he's been doing scientific research on what has, he found one other golfer in the annals of history. Yeah. Who could swing with, and drive the ball with the same reach as Happy Gilmore. And it was this guy from the 50s who is fucking Nick Swordson and black and white grain of footage. His name was like Donald Jr or something. And he manages to retrieve an x-ray of his body because the mafia lodged a boot up his ass when they kicked his ass for, I think, winning too many tournaments or something against their boys.
Starting point is 00:38:54 And so there's this x-ray that exists of him, and Benny Safdi's character has discovered that there is a ligament which was disconnected because of an accident he had earlier in life, which gives him the ability to hyper-extend his swing. And so now Benny Safty has gone around creating a tournament where he's been sniping this ligament from golfing great to be able to give them the same hyper-extension abilities and driving range,
Starting point is 00:39:16 which is a fucking crazy plot point. And also, he has magically bad breath. And there is a bit of the movie where he walks into his own scientific compound and there is a lock that is unlocked by him breathing into it and the door panels says fart identified and the door swings open. Which like, it's just the kind of cartoon hijacks that I was like, that's actually enough absurdity get me.
Starting point is 00:39:45 That's quite good. At one, like, it's sort of a recurring back and forth between Adam, between Happy and his character that he's like, you got bad breath. And at some point he's defending it, he's like, yeah, well, guess what? My granddad had ginger vitus. It's originally my granddad had ginger vitus. I mean, it's sort of, it's a similar scatter gun approach. So it's like, we're just going to bang a certain number of drums, a certain number of times, and some of them are going to make the right note. Which is fine, which is fine.
Starting point is 00:40:09 Anyway, sorry, should we get back to either the plot or the cameos? Well, I just want to say on Maxigolf, like he's done this thing which is sniffing the ligament and all these people who have further drives. And at the end of the tournament, we do get to see the vision for Maxigolf. And there's like a sort of cool borders-esque a aesthetic and functionality to Maxigolf,
Starting point is 00:40:28 which is like, as we were saying, this is called Flex and Eight Ball and stuff. It's a bunch of people. One of them is Paul Hudson, best known as the yoga instructor from growing up, too. it's a bunch of people who are dressed in like you know they're dressed like snowboarders and there was quite a fun video game element to the mexigov which is like the first hole is just all a forest and you have to drive over the forest we have to play through the forest
Starting point is 00:40:52 different ones like all of the bunkers are on fire one of them starts in the sand and then there's grass and then the green is an ice rink it's like yeah these are these are visually stimulating and kind of intriguing absolutely and there was like uh yeah i was seeing all of those just um I was reverse engineering the work that the art department went to, the lengths to be able to get these shots that are depicted for about seven frames of the movie. Because they were on so briefly. I was like, someone came up with a pretty cool idea before I like golf competitor.
Starting point is 00:41:23 And then some art department had to go and build that thing. Yeah. And it was just a scant. If the whole movie was that, it's kind of like, well, that works for me. Well, the finale, like the final piece of tension did exist based on the premise of, one of the Maxigolf twists, the art department twists, which is like a hole,
Starting point is 00:41:42 which is elevated, and if you stand on it, it tips towards you. So it moves where the ball as it means that the physics are constantly changing. But anyway, let's get back to the cameos.
Starting point is 00:41:49 So these are what we're going to call non-camio roles. Okay. Sandler, Julie Bond, Christopher McDonald, Benny Safty. Ben Stiller reprises role as HAL. Yep.
Starting point is 00:41:59 Credited this time. Yeah, and he was good. Bad Bunny, um, incredibly high-profile cameo who plays his, caddy who's like he was working as a bus boy at the fancy golf dinner he got fired by Travis Kelsey yeah huge and a cameo who recently had his marriage to Taylor Swift officiated
Starting point is 00:42:22 yeah by Adam Sandler John Daly he's probably slightly elevated to a cameo did you read about that wedding by the way at MSG not a lot apparently it fucking sucked no and all the celebrities who were there were like I had to wait in a line for a billion hours the food was bad oh really Yeah, potentially, like, do people have to pay for drinks or something? Apparently it was shockingly bad. Really? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:44 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's crazy. You should look it up. I have read some funny shit. Our boy, Dennis Dugan reprides this role as Doug. I don't think, see, I still don't think that these qualifies cameos. No, they don't. Lavelle Crawford plays Chubbs' son, also with a wooden hand.
Starting point is 00:43:01 I call that a cameo. People might remember him as Bill Burr's sort of like, I was going to say off-sider, but they're co sort of heavies and Breaking Bad. I've not seen it as well. It's the big guy where they lie on
Starting point is 00:43:14 the big bed of money together in the truck. Now we're into the Sandler's your Jackies, your Sadies, your Sonys. Get them all in. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Again, not really cameos. I actually thought Sonny, sorry, Sadie Sandler, no, Sunny Sandler,
Starting point is 00:43:28 who played the dancing daughter. I thought she had quite a good emotional gravitas. Same. I thought both the daughters were great.
Starting point is 00:43:36 You got four, younger actors I've not heard of who are the sons and now you're into some traditional Sandler sort of collaborator Steve Bouchimi who is not in the original Happy Gilmore plays Bad Neighbor Pat Kevin Neeland reprises his role as Gary Potter
Starting point is 00:43:51 going to talk about some cameos now that are like cameos where Adam's doing favours for his community that's your Swartons your Schneiders your John Farley's Can we just hold over Schneider's appearance for a moment because I'm very concerned we'll forget to get back to it.
Starting point is 00:44:11 Yeah, of course. So in the first movie, what Happy Gilmore manages to do, as we discussed in the last episode, is harness sort of channel the power that he has access to through his rage, but sort of focus it like a laser finding its aperture correctly by going to his happy place. His happy place is seeing Virginia in Liederhosen holding two steins of beer and then also the camera pan, while in this beautiful, picturesque garden with sprinklers behind her going, and then the, for some reason, camera pans,
Starting point is 00:44:43 and there is a little person riding a tricycle, I believe, for memory. And so in this movie, and we need to get into this. So they replicate that of happy going to his happy place, and they pan, and instead of having the little person... Well, I think he said that maybe I've got to update it a little bit to be appropriate or something. Age appropriate.
Starting point is 00:45:03 I think that comes later. I think that changes later. No, I think that's the one. Oh, is it part of it? Okay. Oh, okay. All right. So what they do then is, do they have his late wife still in this one?
Starting point is 00:45:13 Yeah, I think so. But they've removed the bears because he's trying to get off the source. And there's a whole series of like old man things that would make you happy. The apex being he holds up a pair of shorts which have medium on the band and they fit him. Happy days. Crack up. The camera pans, and instead of seeing a little person on a tricycle, it's Rob Schneider playing the role. playing the role of the little person
Starting point is 00:45:36 biking on the tricycle who turns to camera and says, You can't do it! Yeah. Which is like, it is both putting him in the movie and putting him in his place, which I kind of have time for,
Starting point is 00:45:48 like Adam Sandler has got to have his cake and eat it too and his treatment of Rob Schneider in this movie. It's a testament to Rob Schneider's will feel ignorance about his place in society that he's only too heavy. I mean, what else is... Or acceptance?
Starting point is 00:46:01 Yeah. It's one or t'other. Like, he either is, is blissfully unaware of how he's being depicted, or he knows what his sort of status and rank is in the Sandler system now, and he goes, look, these are the crumbs that I have access to. I will take them and eat them up, yum, yum.
Starting point is 00:46:16 That's right. But so at the same time... 18,000 dollars, you say, to be in a Netflix movie? Yeah, I was paying them to put mine on the platform. But so you've got your Swordsons and your Schneiders. You've got John Lovitz in a cameo which was sending me around the bend with laughter. Heavy Gilmore's relearning how to drive at a driving range.
Starting point is 00:46:34 as a training exercise every time John Lovitz hits his ball, Happy Gilmore hits his to collide with it. And it's really starting to annoy John Lovett. And at one point, he's sort of so annoyed, and he said, he says, I'll stop doing that. And then John Lovitz goes to practice the Happy Gilmore swing. He's on the top layer of a driving range. He falls over the safeguard and is dangling by one foot.
Starting point is 00:46:53 And he's going, damn, you, Happy Gilmore or something. It's not quite full-throated Lovitz, but the physical violence gags, like any time that someone's body's getting really thrown around or ragdolled are connecting. These are jokes that work. So then you've also got your Robert Schmeigel, who's like an old SNL rider. I'd put him with sort of your Kevin Nelons. I've got your Jim Downey, who's Norm's old collaborator on Weeking Update.
Starting point is 00:47:20 Like these are in the sort of traditional mold of Adam Sandler collaborators, giving out roles to people who he's worked with before who might not otherwise be appearing in something. He also gave one to the cross-eyed guy who's name I never. learned who was in all the Adam Sandler movies. Yeah. So that's one sort of echelon of collaborators. You've also got John Farley, who we most recently saw on the Benchwarmers, who is
Starting point is 00:47:42 not the CEO of Ford Motors. Yeah. United States. So now we're going to move into your sort of, as mentioned, Eric Andre's, Martin Hurley, he's Margaret Qualley's Post Malones. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:55 These are sort of just famous people across culture. I think this is where I'm getting... Travis Kelsey. Yeah, more towards. Marcelo Hernandez.
Starting point is 00:48:07 One that I'm not going to say. Stephen A. Smith, like these sportscasters. Yeah. Bobby Lee's. Yeah, yeah. Boban, who plays the son of the really tall guy who's a former NBA player. Yeah, and this is what I'm talking about where I feel like these are probably the group of people who I feel like were paid to post about it.
Starting point is 00:48:25 Yeah. You know, rather than be in it. That's what the actual money was for. So then we get to the cameo. that read like I you know the movie has set me up that basically any king Charles the reigning sovereign of the British Empire could turn up in this movie I'd be like I guess that makes sense everyone else is here why not Eminem shows up in this movie yes and he is the son of the jackass guy that's right in the first movie who rides his car into the tree when he's trying to take out happy he sort of does take out happy but then he drives his car into the tree and It was just so shocking to me to see Marshall Mathers in an Adam Sandler movie, and especially in this one. It's a combination between the work that Marshall Mathers has done to his face and the way that Netflix films their movies, which made him look like incredibly sharp.
Starting point is 00:49:17 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he was fucking funny. He was awesome in it. He had a great cameo. He was very funny. He got torn asunder by four different alligators waiting for him, and he was whaling. on the minute when he says Detroit drops an elbow one of them. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:36 So it was very funny, but I don't know. There was just, I guess in the same way that there is, you know, a generation that grew up with Happy Gilmore, this is kind of the same generation that grew up with Eminem is a pretty important cultural figure in our lives as white boys that came up through the 2000s. And there's something about him being in this, like I say algorithmically derived movie
Starting point is 00:50:04 that just makes me realize these old guys kind of can't say no to a paycheck or something oh man I just think you've got to stop making them thinking it's about money for these guys yeah it's just it's like the payment is it's not just that they have to post it
Starting point is 00:50:21 it's that they get to post it it's interesting it's cultural cachet usually I would sort of agree with you because the thing is it's kind of like well, you're either getting paid or you're in a good movie. Like there's two reasons to do it. But at this, it's neither.
Starting point is 00:50:35 There's a third option, which is you get to hang out with Adam Sandler on an Adam Sandler production, which is kind of a new lane of reason to do a movie that didn't exist before. Yeah. You're neither in a good movie, nor are you getting paid a lot.
Starting point is 00:50:49 You get to hang with Adam. What an incredible thing he's built. Yes. What an amazing machine. It's like, it's staggering. And then you all. also wind up having people watch your output and talk about it as though it wasn't just a big group hang. Did this movie go to cinemas?
Starting point is 00:51:09 Did this movie make me? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. This is a Netflix movie. Also, I don't know if we mentioned him. Haley Joel Osman is in it. Very prominently. Who becomes like his chief antagonist.
Starting point is 00:51:20 Guy Fierre is in this movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Haley Joel Osman is awesome in this movie and in everything I think I've ever seen him in. He's so great. Reggie Bush. Former NFL star or former like college football star and then NFL Super Bowl winner, but without a career that we thought he was going to have. Reggie Bush appears in this movie as eight ball.
Starting point is 00:51:40 Like, it's a WWE star who's also part of the Maxi Golf side. But then to golfers, we've got Nick Feldo, Sergio Garcia, Jack Nicholas. These are like the sort of old here at Lee Trevino reprises Rob. who was like one of the original cameos. He's the guy who did they do a lot of cutaways too. Then you've got the aforementioned sort of disambos and...
Starting point is 00:52:11 Deschamboes and McElroyd and Shefflers. Zander Shelfly's in it. Here's a funny bit. There's a funny bit when Dennis Dugan's character keeps doing a speech and Zander Shelfly keeps trying to go... He keeps going, that's what she said. And everyone's like, I don't think that's right. But Travis Kelsey keeps cracking up at it.
Starting point is 00:52:29 He does two out loud. That's what she says it. one laughs and then there's a third one and he whispers it and he whispers it. And Travis Kelsey and Travis Kelsey cracks up again. It made me laugh. Marcelo Hernandez's cameo as Bad Bunny's cousin also really made me laugh. There was absolutely no reason for him to be here except that he's like a current famous SNL guy and it's fun for him to be here.
Starting point is 00:52:55 And at one point, while they're training them to play Maxie Golf, which involves moving targets, he agrees to put padding on and like run around in the distance of the driving range they'll have to try and hit him he's like why won't we just hit him he goes because i'm shifty and then he starts running and they're all trying to hit golf balls at him and he's dodging them and he's kind of making noises and it's pretty funny and then have you go more fucking pegs in one square in the chest he goes oh and then everyone starts pelting this guy with golf boys and golf balls and he's really taking it and that was like I think the hardest i laughed in the whole movie it is so fucking stupid
Starting point is 00:53:29 And the winner is football to the groin. You can't beat a good bit of physical comedy. And this movie is testament to that. I think that that should, even if there's more cameos to mention, I think that should do it for our conversation about them. So, Guy, can I ask you this? What did you make of it? What do you make of it all?
Starting point is 00:53:50 Because I haven't quite got to read on you about your feelings. In trying to discuss it, I feel like my own hand is reaching, across my skull and squeezing my brain. It's like this is not a movie made for analysis. This is a movie made to like, this is a movie that... Don't you think that's weird? Don't you think you should watch a movie and then be able to say whether you enjoyed the
Starting point is 00:54:13 movie? No, no, you should watch a movie and be able to remember five cameos, three lines. This is what movies are now? Like, this movie is not designed for analysis. It's a movie that's designed to sort of move through and around you. So most of it... glances over you and you're slick with a little bit of the movie but it washes off real easy like some of them creep into open orifices and they bet in but we're okay this analogy is wild
Starting point is 00:54:41 so that's a little bit of the movie has bedded in uh-huh it is a livable condition it is not actually cause for concern but the more you think about it the more troubling it becomes and what we're doing i would describe as thinking about it and that's why it feels like someone's squeezing my brain. Right. Because we experienced the movie as it was intended to be, which is to watch it
Starting point is 00:55:02 and be like, oh, they made this. That's interesting. We're not then meant to go over it. Can I ask you this? Grownups 2 obviously fits that same mold. It was clearly not designed for any kind of analysis
Starting point is 00:55:16 beyond going to the Cineplex once with your kids and seeing it, buying a popcorn, leaving, never thinking about it again. Do you think grown-ups 2 was sort of... an early, what are they called? Progenerator?
Starting point is 00:55:34 Maybe that's the word? Like an early example. I know what you mean. Well, it's an interesting theory. Or is this thing always been around? It's both, but it's an interesting theory because Sandler and Netflix
Starting point is 00:55:45 signed a multi-film deal quite early. Like, early in, like, Netflix was still kind of nascent. Like, it was still establishing what its parameters for operation were and how it wanted to make movies. Yeah. And so your theory that grown-ups too
Starting point is 00:56:01 was like an early representation for the style of movie they would make. I would say holds water because I'm trying to recess basically like I think in some ways Adam Sandler is an originator or a pioneer really of a type of utterly forgettable film
Starting point is 00:56:21 like made on purpose that way. I'm just trying to think of has there always been a real? I guess there's always been light films, right? Mm-hmm. But not ones where it's like, you really are not allowed to think about this movie because it'll break.
Starting point is 00:56:36 Yeah. You know, like I think all the movies I'm thinking of in the 80s and 90s, you know, like Caddy Shack, Ghostbusters, your Ferris Bueller's, your John Hughes joints. Yeah. Like, they all hold up. There is a simplicity to them, which makes them...
Starting point is 00:56:54 Like, even... Okay, so Problem Child? maybe let's cast a little mind back to problem child right was his problem child no it didn't hurt my brain yeah because they were digestible because we were living in a different society because you could recount the journey from a to b yeah without like getting lost in the muck and the mire of the digressions while the movies are purportedly meant to be easier to follow the volume of cameos and extraneous like sort of noise that's being introduced to ensure that not that people will enjoy watching them, but they will watch them in the first place as what is making it so confusing.
Starting point is 00:57:32 Can you say that again? Almost definitely not. So what I'm saying is the journey from A to B means that you can recount the film, you can have a conversation about it, and it's quite a straightforward conversation because your brain doesn't hurt to try and remember the basic details of a story in which a character wants something, obstacles are put in front of. them. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:53 There is a resolution we arrive at. Yeah. If at the start of the movie you say a character wants something, and by the way, these 50 people are here as well, and by the way, some of them are doing this, it's not a movie that's designed to be watched. Like to be, it's a movie that's designed to make you watch it. Not a movie that is designed to be watched. Wow.
Starting point is 00:58:14 Okay. Yeah, I think I'm on board with that. So if you're analyzing a movie that is designed to make you watch it rather than be watched, it's going to fucking make it feel like someone's squeezing your brain. And the thing is, Tim, if you zoom out far enough to take a look at us, not just our heads, but whose hands are squeezing whose brains. Yeah. My hand is atop your head and your hand is atop my head.
Starting point is 00:58:37 Gross. No one is squeezing our brains except each other. We are the self-squeezing machines and we cannot be stopped. I guess the thing I want to say in response to that is, I was born in 1987 and maybe I'm just showing my age, but I feel like movies used to be made strong enough to withstand a squeeze. They don't make them out of the same material anymore. They literally don't.
Starting point is 00:59:06 It's like getting a pair of jeans or something these days. We formerly they would last 10 years before getting a tear in them. And now through cost cutting, they've figured out a way to make them cost 40 bucks, but you wash them twice in the washing. machine will put a rip on them. It's that for cinema. It's cheaper and it's worse. It is one ply movies.
Starting point is 00:59:26 Yes. You're going to run your finger through and get to your asshole. You're going to get shit on your finger now. You're going to have shit on your ass and you're going to shit on your finger. Because they used to make the movies with three ply paper and they don't do it anymore. They make it with one ply paper. Yeah. The other thing that came into my mind while you were talking about sort of the confusing plot
Starting point is 00:59:43 colder sacks that we get sort of thrown into and too many characters and things is the Matrix Reloaded. because that is a movie where the first movie is so good. Matrix 1. Chris Parker's threw it for the first time recently as described it to me as a perfect film. Yeah, he's not wrong. Imagine getting to watch The Matrix for the first time.
Starting point is 01:00:08 Incredible. So then the Matrix 2 comes out in 2003, and it is like not the Matrix. No. It's got so many Coldestacks, so many people and in some ways as well sort of similar to this it has you know like Monica
Starting point is 01:00:26 Belushi is in there for some reason and there's a bunch of kind of weird there's that French guy who plays Monica Baloocheon oh she's this like absolutely stunning woman who's been in tons of films yeah yeah she's there with the Mera Vinci and it's like his mistress I guess who double crosses him
Starting point is 01:00:41 and he makes a cake that makes her come or something it's a great scene it's awesome but again like kind of confusing and needless But so much that movie is And then like the twins are there You know the ghost twins That they have the highway chase on
Starting point is 01:00:56 There's so much stuff that's in The Matrix Reloaded Which like absolutely doesn't need to be in there You strip it out and the plot Remains the same But it is kind of cool It's confusing and additive And too much
Starting point is 01:01:10 But it is cool And it can withstand some scrutiny as well You can look at all these pieces And be like The twins are an interesting concept And that you have Vampires and Ghosts and goblins and zombies are real in the real world
Starting point is 01:01:22 and they are programs that have basically become corrupted as part of the system. But in this, if you start thinking about like, why is bad bunny here? Why does bad bunny have his own? I've got the analogy and I've got what we're about to do to ourselves. What you're describing is seeing something which at least was ambitious and analyzing it
Starting point is 01:01:47 and sort of being able to pick up different fragments and bits and pieces and be like, oh, this might be where it went wrong. It was interesting they did this, but this didn't quite fit, so I understand why the machine broke down. What we are doing is looking at a bowl of diarrhea and saying, where did it go wrong? And what we will be doing when we do Grownups 3
Starting point is 01:02:03 is looking at the same bowl without changing our diet shit to shit and being like, why does it still look like this? Now, Jackson Pollard managed to pull off the aesthetic in a visually pleasing way. Why is this diarrhea bowl not achieving the same aesthetic quality that I seek in my... Look, I said this movie can't hurt me and I stand by it. Like, this to me is a two and a half star movie.
Starting point is 01:02:25 I think you're wrong. The closest you got to describing the feeling this movie gave you was you raking your hand across your own brain and head and squeezing your brain. So, I think it did hurt you. That's not, you refuse to admit it. That's not the movie. That's the fear of what's to come. Okay.
Starting point is 01:02:41 What the movie can't hurt me. What the movie represents can cause fear. It's a threat. It's a threat. This movie is a, this movie is a, this. This movie is a shot across the bow. This movie is a threat. And what's the threat guy?
Starting point is 01:02:56 What's coming? Well, the threat is what I just said. The threat is that you and I have got our hands on each other's brains. I want to have to say that out. And we're squeezing them while we stare at a bowl of diarrhea every week saying, why are we still sick? We need to say our feelings out loud. We're going to watch Grunups 3 for a year. We're going to watch Grunups 3 every week for a year.
Starting point is 01:03:16 Yeah. And it's going to hurt. Well, look. It's going to hurt in different interesting ways. What I will say. The time commitment alone. What I will say. I had to watch this with a sick child on my leg today.
Starting point is 01:03:30 It's hard. It's hard when you have a family. What I will say, I don't think that they can make grown-ups three as convoluted as they made this movie. Brother. I don't think that they can introduce technology. Like, this is about golf. Okay. I don't think that they can make grown-ups
Starting point is 01:03:54 through his convoluted as movie because it's why you're walking up to Mike Tyson and going, I don't think you can hit me that hard. Yeah. The guy who made this is Adam Sandler. You don't think he's capable of making another needlessly complicated comedy sequel? It's just this again,
Starting point is 01:04:12 but we're going to be doing it for a year. You fucking idiot? Why would you put this corner on the table? No, because Happy Gilmore was a straightforward story. Happy Gilmore, was an underdog overcoming the odds and getting the girl along the way. Grownups too was a prolonged, failed, improvised riff, a meditation on growing old and several dysfunctional comedy set pieces.
Starting point is 01:04:37 Okay? You can't like recog-like if you can't, you can't, like I've had a meal of Happy Gilmore before. Uh-huh. And then I've had a chef try to cook with some of the same flavors but introduce a whole of that bombastic new taste and it came out all wrong, okay? Grownups 2 is a fucked up grazing board.
Starting point is 01:04:57 Uh-huh. You can't fuck up a fucked up grazing board. On that, I am going to rank Happy Gilmore 2, two golf balls out of a potential five golf balls. I'm giving it two golf balls and half a golf ball
Starting point is 01:05:14 full of Jack Daniels. Two and a half golf balls. With a little bit of help to take the edge off. Would you like to pick a movie that we are going to is it next? Why don't you? Why don't you drive?
Starting point is 01:05:25 Well, I said here comes to the boom before, and now I'm trying to remember, did we ever swap out Paul Blatt for that? Someone did. Yeah, it was that game where, no, I think it was Justin, it was Juice maybe. It was that game where one of us had to secretly watch that
Starting point is 01:05:41 and pretend that they'd watch Paul Blatt, Moorghawk too. But look, I mean, yeah, there was no Kevin James in this movie. Well, let's bring them in, let's get them off the bench. We're going to watch here comes the boom next. Yeah. Why not? See you there, everybody.
Starting point is 01:05:55 I feel like I've already got like a medical grade concussion. I don't think meeting Kevin James in the fucking W.W.E. It's going to help. More. Always more. The experiment must continue.

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