The Worst Idea Of All Time - Cashin’ a Newacheck: Happy Gilmore 2
Episode Date: September 22, 2026As we all count down the hotly anticipated release of Grown Ups 3 in H1 ‘27, today we explore the sequel to the adored 1996 comedy classic Happy Gilmore, Happy Gilmore 2, directed by Kyle Newacheck ...(Workaholics). This cinematic project could be considered the artful packaging of a financial transaction between 200 brands and personalities. It could be considered a rather cynical and lazy successor to a film that was responsible for making Adam Sandler a breakout hit, and household name. It could also be held up as a rare example of Rob Schneider being seen amongst normal entertainers in 2026. What is could not be identified as, however, is a good movie. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Ladies and gentlemen, we are gathered here today in glorious union.
Timbo and Guy Guy, reunited with one of the classics.
Adam Sandler's back for Happy Gilmore 2.
That's right.
A Netflix original.
Question mark.
It certainly felt like it.
I'm Guy Montgomery.
That announcer in the studio is Tim Bat.
This is the worst idea of all times adventure into the sandler system as we explore the back catalog of not just Adam, but Dennis and fellow collaborators in anticipation of grown-ups three release date, TBC.
previously we've got a window though
we've got a window don't we
it'll probably be the first half of next year
I think it'll be approaching mid next year
according to the financial markets
H1 27 oh what's H
half yeah okay
Q2
Q2 Q2 27 we've got to boost those numbers
everybody we get those algorithms juiced
yeah so we have most recently we watched
Happy Gilmore the 1996 box office
and critically, well, probably...
Where are you going with this?
That were different things.
Critically middling and eventually adorned classic.
But box office also pretty successful, but not a stratospheric.
But certainly an introduction for many to the works of Adam Sandler,
and one of the films that helped establish his box office dominance and his rising star
as one of the comedy icons of the 1990s into 2000s that, of course,
make way to a long and storied career.
I would say mostly long.
We had to put a spotlight on one of those two adjectives.
And before grown-ups too, this was not a man who amucked around with sequels.
But then, of course, we've got the Hotel Transylvanias.
Can I observe something already in this early stage of the episode?
The tone has shifted so much.
We have been gassing Adam Sandler up with reverence and love.
and respect for quite a while and hot off the back of the watch of Happy Gilmore 2,
suddenly it's back to you know what?
This guy's been around a long time.
This guy's been around a long time.
And look, this is, this is by, this movie cannot hurt me.
That's one thing I'd like to say right off the top.
Well, not on one watch.
No.
So take that.
Yeah.
Okay.
Cool.
This movie cannot hurt me.
And it cannot take away from the original.
I think I had a lot of laughs.
I'm not afraid to say that.
a lot of laughs.
They had a lot of cameos.
Your laughs, though, were layered, I would say.
Some of the lives, I think, were, you know, super, well, I don't want to say superficial,
pure, right?
They weren't three-dimensional laughs.
They were two-dimensional laughs, and I mean that in a good way.
Yeah.
They were just like, something's funny.
They were someone watching a movie laughing.
I respond biologically to that being funny.
I sneered, I sort of sneered laughed a bit, where it was just like, gosh, it's too much.
Well, here's what I think happened.
Go on.
I think that, and this is, it's a creative movie.
They made a movie that could bring everyone along.
They made a movie that would bring their OG fans along.
They made a movie for people who have not seen Happy Gilmore before.
They made a movie for people who probably don't even know who Adam Sandler is if those people exist in the world.
They made a movie for parents with children who are meeting Happy Gilmore for Adam Sandler and Happy Gilmore for the first time.
Like this, the shortcomings of this movie are deliberate.
And the movie doesn't perceive them as shortcomings.
They perceive them as concessions to guarantee satisfaction for the largest possible number of people.
You are carrying water for the algorithm and I won't stand for it.
When I have in my life tried to attempt meditation in a serious way to really clear my mind of all conscious door in it,
there's a kind of a visual metaphor that I return to,
which is everything coming together into a,
like a hole that's too big for everything.
And that, for some reason,
whatever reason really helps me clear my mind.
It's like not everything can fit in the hole
and then everything just evaporates and then there's nothing.
That's what Happy Gilmore 2 is.
They tried to fit so much fucking shit into the hole
that they wound up with nothing.
This movie started kind of strong.
Should we maybe go through the plot?
Is that a useful place to start?
Should we describe what happens in the movie?
I think an efficient recap.
I don't think we need to get bogged down because the entire movie is told like in double speed.
Because it has a hefty two hour runtime.
It finishes.
If like us you're interested to see how long in the movie's left and you see there's 15 minutes as the movie is visibly ending in front of you.
Do not worry.
Time remains as it was.
It just so happens that this movie has 15 minutes.
minutes of sort of the Netflix-style international credits.
I think that's what's going on.
We didn't stick around to find out, but I hit pause.
Firstly, I watched this movie, I think, as Netflix intended,
which is at home in a really hot room with a two-year-old with a fever between me.
Yeah.
On my lap.
And I watched it also as Netflix intended, in the same room from a safe distance.
And it was like, we had to change rooms, so I hit pause.
and it was at an hour 35,
then we came in here and we watched 10 minutes,
and then I hit pause again to see where we were at.
The movie was ending visibly in front of this.
And then there was 15 minutes left,
and we were both very confused,
and we were like, okay, I guess there's another 15 minutes of movie,
and then the movie did end.
But it's 15 minutes of credits.
It is so full of surprises.
That wouldn't have surprised me if it was 15 minutes more of movie,
even though they were playing the same closing credit song
from the original Happy Gilmore,
which of course is Tuesday's Gone by Lynn and Skinner.
In this instance, that didn't actually herald the closing credits.
They faded that out.
There was a reveal that Happy Gilmore had won himself an electric Rolls Royce.
He goes to drive it.
It's out of battery.
He goes, ah, it's out of battery.
And then he picks...
Fuck you, EVs.
That's right.
And then he gets his clubs from the back of the car and starts walking down a sort of
empty American side road to Tom Petty's.
It's the waiting that's the hardest part, which is, as ever with REO speedwagons, live every moment.
I don't know who it's a wink to.
I don't know if it was the diehard Happy Gilmore fans
who had to wait a full 29 years before they could enjoy their sequel.
I don't know if it's to the people who are begrudgingly watching this
for their obscure niche podcasts who had to, you know,
navigate an hour and 45 minutes worth of the sequel.
I think it's for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers fans.
This movie's trying to welcome everybody.
Yeah, yeah.
Perhaps it's for Tom Petit and the Heartbreakers fans
who are waiting to hear a song featured in a post-credit sequence
in an Adam Sandler film
for the first time.
But any way you slice it, the entire movie,
this is what I mean when I say
it's for people who know it and people who don't.
They do a lot of callbacks
to the most all-star jokes
from the first movie.
Now, if, like us, you just watched it,
you wouldn't need a flashback sequence
borrowed from Family Guy to tell you
that this is how the joke
went the first time.
But literally every single time
they offered the initial joke,
well, not every, but I'd say 80%.
Every time they offer you the sort of retelling
of the joke,
they will then offer you,
you a flashback to experience the joke as filmed on celluloid in 1996.
Because generally in storytelling you have show or tell and the traditional idiom is that
you want to show don't tell.
You don't want to be too explicit with your explanation rather just, you know, depict
the thing and give the audience a little bit of credit that they can put the pieces together.
Adam Sandler is an innovator in the genre of comedy because what he has decided to do in
Happy Gilmore 2 is to show and tell.
That's right.
which is brilliant well that's right at first of all there's a there's a showing or no first
all there's a telling which is the the joke as it stands by itself in modern times then there
is the showing of the joke as it was told originally and then there is the telling of the original
joke which works in simultaneous sort of broadcast with the showing so it's tell show tell
this is where we're at as a society yeah just absolutely fucked in the brain you reckon
I said it's the two device thing I really think
the directive from all of these Netflix executives that every piece of content that is on the
platform that's an original production has to be understandable while you are scrolling
through Instagram at the same time that you're observing the movie.
Could be Instagram, could be looking after you're ill, two-year-old.
But what they need is for you to follow the plot.
It's ironic, because if they made it a little bit more dense, they're people going backwards,
that are people spending longer on the platform, it would use the stats,
it would look really good for the money, man.
That's not how people work.
People go on Netflix, they go too hard.
next movie because nothing has value anymore because there's 5,000 average movies at the tip
of your fingers. So you just move on to the next one, which is, of course, Kevin James, here
comes the boom. Well, of all, and I know that the start of this conversation we're having right
now is us promising to recount the plot, that is forthcoming. But of everything that I know of
Adam Sandler, of everything we have covered so far as we dive deeper into the Sandler system,
I think this is probably the most
Although we're dealing with different properties
But I think this is the most representative
Of what we will experience upon the release of grownups three
It's the same collaboration between Sandlin director
It's Carl Neuichick
It's like a similar amount of
Well, less time but it's sort of
I think it speaks to
Who grownups three will be servicing
Grownups through will be servicing
The people who are fans of the original two grownups movies
Which is funny because
Happy Gilmore has a deserved canonical place in sort of the Hall of Fame of comedy movies.
Grownups has always been hated.
Grownups 2 has always been heavily made fun of.
And it doesn't work.
I think one stylistic difference we will experience is that grownups 3, none of the callbacks to jokes which have previously been spoken,
will warrant the flashback sequence.
Like, no one is walking around arguably except us, like quoting gross.
Grownups 2 at infinitive for...
Dinosaurs!
Yeah, literally because I have the mental illness we gave ourselves,
which means I often think in grown-ups two soundbites.
I don't think a lot of people have that affliction.
So I don't think the flashbacks will be as strong of a feature as it was in Happy Gilmore 2.
I will say, yeah, the sort of the catch-all nature of the sequel speaks to what we're going to get with grown-ups 3.
Okay.
But I found this...
Are you worried about that?
I'm worried about that.
This, yeah, look, I found this to be like happily middling.
This was an inoffensive entrance into the Happy Gilmore canon.
I don't think of it as having to exist alongside the first.
This is just like Adam Sandler acknowledging his legacy,
reminding people why they love him,
getting his immediate family some screen time,
getting his people paid.
Like, obviously...
Got his daughter that sad card, didn't he?
He got both his daughters the sad card.
Well done you.
they already had it anyway
they've both got features coming out soon
I think separate features
Jackie's in there of course
I think also this is a reminder
potentially to us
of just how beloved
Adam Sandler is across
cinema and sports
like literally the universe
this is the most
cameo stuffed movie
I can remember seeing in a long time
I would be shocked if there's a movie
with more cameos than the movie
we just watched
I don't know how you would do it
and we're talking cameos
like the cameo net has been this is
this is bottom dredging this isn't just like
this isn't line court cameos this is literally
putting something at the bottom of the ocean and seeing
what you pull up because this isn't just
golf superstars this isn't just Hollywood superstars
it's not just music superstars it is also like stars
of the sandless system who would otherwise have no place to go
there wouldn't be a set that they could walk onto and be given
a speaking role or given a profile like I'm talking
put some respect on Rob Schneider's name
Go on what, go on, Ray.
Rob Schneider, no, no.
I mean, look.
Rob Schneider, Rob Schneider, what are we to do with you?
He doesn't count as a cameo.
Like, that is to say, he's in the movie,
but, like, his appearance, you can't chalk it up to a cameo
because it's Rob Schneider.
Like, he's got a position.
It's an interesting thing.
He's an interesting question with respect to cameos,
because I feel as though cameos traditionally,
or maybe they are, maybe they're supposed to pop in and out.
Maybe they're equal.
Maybe.
Maybe.
in my head I'm like a cameo is usually bestowed by someone on the on the on the on the on the thing to enhance the value of the thing do you know what I'm saying so Bob Barker for example is bestowing higher value on happy Gilmore he is this he is a far higher status object than the movie is they can be they can be mutually beneficial after the fact like if you believe in the project that you're cameoing on it might be that it gives you some credence or introduces to you to a wider audience and you would otherwise have had a
access to. Yeah. But I think that the person bestowing the cameo is usually offering greater value
to the product that they're doing a cameo in. Well, I think that is how it used to work. And I think
as time's gone on, I think it's become increasingly apparent that you and I are not the 25-year-old
men that started off this podcast. We are different older men now. I think what we are in now is like
an almost financialisation-styled markets of mutual reciprocal value.
It's not a cameo what we're seeing.
It's a cross-promotion of two cultural entities coming together to try and share in some profits.
For reference, for those of you who are listening, you might not be aware of this,
but the movie is currently playing out behind Tim and I, for those of you, on the substack.
And we can currently see Happy Gilmore's return to the golf course towards the start of the movie.
He goes on a four ball at like a sort of community golf course with Eric Andre, Margaret Qualley, and Martin Hurley, who might be known to some of you as a member of Police Don't Destroy, who are the digital Saturday Night Live group.
His father, Tim Hurlehy, is an old Adam Sandler collaborator.
They wrote the original Happy Gilmore together.
Tim Hurley is credited with the line, you eat pieces of shit for breakfast.
So it's not surprised, you know, like as you talk about this sort of cross-promotion quid pro quo, this sort of new economy in which we were living, to have.
to have and he's a good comic actor I like the guy
but you know that speaks to this right
this is that like when they made the first one
he was probably
being born
Martin
yeah how old is he like 30 yeah
they'd probably be about right
so there must be an immense satisfaction
you know for for Adam and for Tim
to be in a position in their lives where they can make a second
heavy girl and be like and hey it's why it's
it's redundant getting mad
and it's funny what we're doing but it's it's
It's redundant getting mad about what anything that Adam Sandler, you know, does or produces.
Because it's like getting mad at the ocean.
You know what I'm?
It's like punching a wave.
It's just like it's going to do what it's going to do.
And it doesn't care what you think of it.
And it doesn't affect it in any way.
No.
It's too powerful.
I mean, that is the truth.
It's too powerful.
So this is too powerful.
Okay.
This is like doing a podcast about gravity.
Yeah.
It's like, oh, and then gravity put us down.
It's like, okay, you cannot still be talking about gravity.
We're all living in gravity's world.
Damn, this is not bode well for the next two years of my life.
So let's go through the plot, if we may, because we did promise to do that.
So first of all, we open the moor.
You're going to do a far better job of this than me because you always do, because my brain's all jumbled up.
But, like, he's really taken a page out of the Kevin James, Paul Blatmore cop.
book in terms of how to kick off a sequel.
The introduction of emotional stakes.
Basically, we get the same flashback that brought us into Happy Gilmore, the original.
We see him in his old hockey uniform and he's doing the voice.
He was saying I'm Happy Gilmore.
I was a hockey player, except it wasn't any good.
So I started playing golf and I won a lot of money.
And this is all told through a combination of original flashbacks as featured in Happy Gilmore
and what we would call new flashbacks as Fetched and Happy Gilmore, which are flashbacks to Happy Gilmore.
What do you call the flashbacks to Happy Gilmore that are also flashbacks?
We call those double flashbacks.
There's not a lot of them, but keep your eyes peeled because you're going to see a couple.
Anyway, at the start of the movie, he explains that he was a loser hockey player.
He became a very wealthy golfer.
He fell in love with, what is their fucking name?
The character's name, Venet.
Veronica Venet?
No, Veronica was from Billy Madison.
Veronica upon, so hot, want to touch the haini.
Sub-Virginia Venet.
Always with the V's.
What's going on, Adam?
I'll talk to you later.
Anyhow.
It's just the first letter of vagina.
He is in love.
They have four children in four years.
Everyone's like, whoa, and then we had a daughter.
My wife had a new best friend.
They're living a beautiful, happy life.
They're in his grandma's old house and happy sort of saying,
but even when you're riding high, things can go wrong.
We see him hit one of his iconic famous drives.
On Mother's Day, the drive is slightly hooked.
It goes flying over the fairway.
Then it veers left and slams right into the middle of the forehead of his beloved.
Virginia, did I say?
Virginia, Virginia, Venice.
Julie Bowen.
Killed on impact.
a la the start of Paul Glapmore Cop 2.
Getting drilled by a milk truck.
And it is quite shocking.
There's no warning that it's about to happen.
As a fan, you are quite excited,
knowing that the original cast is back
is one of the sort of selling points.
It's one of the points of excitement.
And so to sort of set up the sequel and then kill off, you know,
Julie Bowen, it's not like she's gone on to obscurity
between Happy Gilmore and this.
She is, in some ways,
Oh, it's even hard to say that.
Everyone is so famous in this movie.
Holy shit.
When we start going through the cameos, it's going to blow your goddamn socks off.
But, you know, she is a wildly known and beloved television actor now.
Modern families had, how many seasons?
It feels like 12.
Who knows?
That's one of the, that's going to be, that's friends for a new generation, isn't it?
Yeah, absolutely.
It's friends for the friends' generation, because the friends' generation refused to grow up.
Okay.
I fucking hate our generation.
Why?
I just think we're embarrassing.
Hold on.
Let's get into this.
Why is that?
I just think we're,
I just think we're disgraceful.
The millennials?
Yeah.
Why's that?
Ah, just parading around in a cartoon t-shirt
with a fucking half a liter of monster energy drink
puffing on some fruit-flavored smoke.
You're describing yourself walking into my house two hours ago.
Yeah.
You need to go easy on Guy Montgomery.
I'm not happy with him.
Anyway, look, that's by the bye.
We do not have time.
You're not going to therapies me what I'm talking about.
Happy Gilmore, too.
You might.
You can have it to go.
But yeah, so she's now dead.
This sends Sandler off the deep end.
Happy Gilmore starts drinking.
One of the early and recurring gags in the movie is that literally everything he touches is a vessel for alcohol.
He's sipping out of a cucumber at his job at the supermarket.
He's sipping out of his remote control.
He's sipping out of the pepick grinder.
He's hitting a little bottle of Jack Daniels and his grandmother's.
cuckoo clock. It is important to note
that it is Jack Daniels. This is not a
movie that's afraid of product placement.
On the contrary. So he's
a loser. This is good too.
They do a call back to him going
through in the first movie all the jobs
that he's had on his CV where it's just humping something
and they do it with his sons.
His four sons all pick up the same jobs
and they all do exactly the same gear.
So the sons are these sort of
they're all named after famous hockey players.
They're like these Wayne, I can't remember the other ones
but they're all like louts. They love
They're like
oh oh oh
lads, lads, lads,
lad's,
then he's got this
sort of incredible
daughter
who is his real life
daughter
whose name is
Vivian?
It is.
It's another Vian.
Got a real thing
for the Vee's.
And she is a very
talented dancer
her dance coach.
I'm so glad
you asked Jackie Sandler
get her in there
nice and early.
Okay.
She is such a
talented dancer
that the dance coach
says to happy Gilmore
look,
your daughter's far better
than anyone
I've ever taught.
There's a very
exclusive dance school
in Paris.
I've,
I've sensed.
and videos of her they're holding a place for her he says Paris where's that is that close she goes it's in
France and he goes okay good how much is the dance no no he says is it free yeah which i laughed
that that was good she's no 75000 dollars a year so we have now established the parameters in which
the movie has to exist or so you would think yeah this of course later morphs since happy gilmore having
just like traditional golf yeah but as it originally stands so i would say if this was kind of
following the storytelling rules
that Happy Gilmore,
a very successful movie did.
It's like, okay, sick.
So the mum's dead.
Sad.
That is, thank you.
You're right.
Let's name our emotions, everyone.
That is sad.
She got taken out by a golf ball.
Yeah.
Which is in a lot of ways
the co-star of the movie.
Yeah.
So that's sad.
Sad.
So she gets killed within two minutes
of the film opening.
And then
Adam said,
Happy Gilmour is a drift.
He's a soak.
Turns to the bottom.
Great.
So rock bottom immediately.
Yeah.
Benny, I'll tell you who comes along.
Benny Saftey's in early.
But this is what I'm saying.
If it was just, okay, so we'd now have to watch Happy Gilmore pick himself up by his
bootstraps again.
Because he's out of the game for 10 years.
Yeah.
He tells us.
He doesn't pick up a golf club for a cool decade and he loses all of his abilities.
So if it was kind of the first movie, and the first movie,
and the first movie worked,
then it's kind of like,
that's the film,
that's the journey,
that's the trajectory.
Yeah, yeah.
But what we get instead
is the Netflixification
of cinema,
which is,
A,
there used to be a thing known as a,
I think the concept was called
a four tent pole movie
where,
or a four quadrant movie
where you were trying to design
a film that could be watched
and enjoyed by,
you know,
the big different demographics.
Who were they?
I don't know,
mum, dad, junior and girl.
Whatever it was.
How come girls are never called junior?
I don't know, man.
Yeah.
The patriarchy, probably.
Yeah.
Think about it.
But now, culture has become so fractured
because of the algorithmic internet
that we all live in.
It's not four quadrants anymore.
Now we're dealing with some sort of
theoretical dodecahedron-esque shape of audiences that we're trying to bring together.
So all of a sudden, you have conservatively 60 incredibly famous people who pop up in this movie
from different walks of life representing different fan bases, ages, ethnicities, cultural backgrounds
to try and draw them into this movie that's not very good.
Yeah, you'd say hypothetical reasons for anyone to watch the movie.
is why they're in the movie.
It is,
it is,
I mean,
this is movie making now for Netflix,
and I like,
I get it.
I'm not too mad about it
because I understand it,
but it is,
it is like the financialization,
even more so,
of movie making.
Because what it is,
is it's going,
Stephen A. Smith has got,
they will cut him tall,
story style reels of like a trailer
with him in it
that he can share on his Instagram.
That is in his contract.
He's not really getting paid to be in the movie.
He's getting paid to post that he's in the movie on his social channels.
And I would say that is the same for all of the people that we see in this movie.
I mean, to be fair, I think a lot of them would also be Adam.
Like a lot of them are young who would be Adam Sandler fans.
Yeah.
You know, if he said to us, do you want to be in the movie?
Because this movie does, as ever, feature podcasters.
Yeah, yeah.
This features Bobby Lee and Andrew.
And Andrew Santino, bad friends are seen discussing Maxigolf, which is a subplot that we'll introduce shortly.
Also call her daddy.
I believe it's called it
I'm not actually
super familiar with that one
I just wanted before we continue to talk about
I should of Rogan was in this
that would be I guess unsurprising
I would be shocked
I was shocked by one cameo
and one cameo alone and we will get to it later
but it was the only one that really fucking threw me
I think
to your point of like
you know the differences
between this movie and the original
and the over commodification of storytelling
and like there's an irony isn't it
that they were
want movies to be more straightforward or to be double, not more straightforward, but they want
to be double screened, right? Yeah. Like that, I guess I just don't understand why like a very
straightforward piece of storytelling that did its job beautifully and satisfied all of its needs.
They want to make a movie that is more easily digestible than that. How do you, how do you,
how do you then like have introduced so many subplots, so many additional characters?
Yeah, man. It runs contrary to the stated purpose.
You're right.
Hot Ones.
We forgot that.
It's playing on the screen right now.
Hot Ones is in this.
Dude, yes, absolutely.
Do you know what I think it's led to?
Because for some reason, it does feel like plots and for some reason more complicated.
Like there's just more bits to it.
And what it has led to by my estimation of movies that have been made the last like 20 years, let's say, there's fucking too much dialogue.
There's so much dialogue because it's so necessary to get the.
exposition for all of these coldest acts in the story they don't really add to the core journey
that you're doing and this movie's a great example it's just fucking like wall to wall explanation
of yeah why this person's here and what this thing's doing and because you have to over-explain
everything because someone's scrolling on their phone anyway yeah yeah there's so much shit
there's too much shit on me yeah this is a big time there's too much shit on me situation but
also like you've got all of that you've got them restating the plot over and over then you've
got Dan Patrick, I think, who was most famously to you, if you're listening to this podcast,
who wants to watch me climb a rope from grownups to, one of the all-time line reads funniest
moments week after week.
And not just of that movie, but of any film I've seen.
He is, in real life, he's a sportscaster.
He's got the Dan Patrick show.
So in this, he's got the Pat Daniels show.
And he is doing constant news style bulletins.
That doesn't have to show anyone watching it.
It's just like cut to a bulletin.
offering exposition and information to advance the plot.
And then we move to where the plot's advanced to.
And then we have these characters restating the plot over and over
while introducing various new cameos.
So basically the two strands of the movie are,
number one,
Happy Gilmore needs to raise $300,000
to put his very talented daughter
through four years of Parisian dance school.
Number two, he doesn't know he's going to do that.
One of the options on the table is returning to the golf tour
and making them only the traditional way.
The other way, which might be allegorical for live golf,
which we talked about a little bit in our last episode,
is that Benny Safdi has set up something called Maxi Golf,
which is like wanting to revitalise golf.
He's sort of played as this young, yuppie fuckwit,
who's got a very funny little beard.
Didn't we have a conversation?
Yeah, we got into that whole live golf thing,
so it's kind of playing out in this movie.
Yeah, I think it's similar.
And the interesting thing is,
in the, there are professional golf cameos,
Like a lot.
There's one scene in which it's basically a room full of professional golfers and Adam Sandler.
Yeah.
Which, you know, if you think back to the last movie, I think there were two professional golf cameos.
It is like remarkable to see.
But the film sort of de Nouvement, which is a face-off between essentially traditional golf,
as represented by Happy Gilmore, Rory McElroy, Scotty Sheffler, Bryson DeShambo, and Brooks Kepke.
and then like maxi golf which is proxy for live golf which is sort of these people like flex and eight ball and they've got all these cool names um interestingly because if it is allegorical which i feel as though it is inside of the professional golfers who are representing traditional golf you have golfers who defected to live golf in this movie and rory mackereloy was like the most outspoken critic of live golf on the traditional on the pGA tour right like to the point that
I know that him and Bryson de Chambo
do not like each other whatsoever
like sincerely don't like each other
they're doing scenes together
I know that Brooks kept it defected to live golf
and so sort of interesting to see that
How much fucking money
is being waved in front of everyone
to be in this movie together then?
Man a lot of people
like a lot of people doing this movie
for the fun of it
Are you for real?
I think it's fun for them to have a day on set
Like it's fun for Scotty Sheffler
who's an American who grows up
watching playing golf
like Happy Gilmore would be a seminal
inspirational golfing text to them get to show up
and fucking do a few line reds with Adam Sandler
Their agents wouldn't let them be in a Netflix movie
For less than big bucks, you know
Can you get a list up?
Yeah, yeah.
Bad Bunny is in this movie extensively.
It makes sense for Bad Buddy
because this genuinely expands his range.
this was a great advertisement for Bad Bunny the actor.
Bad Bunny plays Happy Gilmore's new caddy.
And they had a nice little joke in there, actually,
in reference to the original caddy.
Can you on Mike, please?
In reference to the original caddy from the last movie.
I'm trying to remember the professional golfer's name.
Zella, what's his name?
Will Zellatoris.
Okay.
who looked like, so they're in the, and this was like an online joke that then came to bear in the movie.
But basically, between the movie Heavy Gilmore and that blonde caddy who he strangles a bunch of times,
a professional golfer rose through the ranks called Will Zellatoris,
who bears a striking resemblance to the caddy.
Oh, sick.
So in this movie, when you meet him and he's like, oh, you're my old caddy.
Can you do it for me again?
He's like, I can't because I'm playing against you.
We're actually in the same group.
That's a genuine professional golfer Will Zalotaurus.
Oh, is that?
Yeah, yeah, who everyone joked like, oh, the caddy.
but so he was great
I thought it was the same actor who played the caddy
that's just a that's a professional golfer who looks like the caddy
he was he turned in a sensational performance
I got real good genuine laugh out of one of his line roots
there you go done mate so yeah so
let's talk about what can't he do let's talk about golf
comedic acting I'm gonna tell you some of the actors you're gonna tell me if you think
they were cameos or actors I also don't think that people getting paid a lot of
money to be in this movie I think the lot like I'd say those
big golfers we were just talking about to show up in the main party.
Maybe they got half a million dollars each to show up for a couple of days on set.
That's a lot.
That's a lot of money.
Well, not to them.
I'm not up to that.
But they make like fucking, I don't know, 20 times that money for playing around,
for playing a golf tournament.
That's doing their job.
That's right.
This is fucking around with Adam Sandler for a couple days.
I also think these would have been much longer days for them than a day playing golf.
Like the idea of being on sets fun, but then doing it, they'd be like, oh man,
there's a lot of standing around.
Oh, potentially.
Well, standing around in golf, I imagine, as well.
So anyway, these are not cameos.
A lot of ways playing golf, it's like making a movie.
Yeah.
It's a good walk ruined.
Adam Sandler, not a cameo.
Julie Bowen, an actor kind of force-fed a cameo.
Not a cameo.
With a reduced role.
Christopher McDonald is Shooter McGavin, who becomes allied to Happy Gilmore
and a twist from the original movie.
We should talk about him.
Yeah.
We should talk about him right now.
Okay.
Here's my issue with Shooter McAvon in this movie.
The character works so well.
What's the actor's name again?
Christopher McDonald.
Absolutely superb at playing a high status villain.
What I want to see him doing is, is quippy lines with a cool voice, which he has, with a good timbre.
He's like six foot four.
Looks like a king.
What he is depicted as in this movie is, well, he's been in an insane asylum for 30 years.
It's a pretty funny gig.
there's like
he's dishevelled
and stuff
so then it's like
well the thing
that made him
so perfectly
cast and great
in the first movie
has sort of been
taken away
now
and I don't want to see
that
I don't want to see
this particular guy
cast in a role
where he's down
and out
that's not
where he shines
and like the entire
movie
bar about
six minutes
at the end
he's either
butt-ass
naked
you know
I don't want to see
his ass
he's a high
status villain
I don't
I get to see his ass, but I do see his ass in this movie, and it makes me sad.
It's taken away all his power.
I don't even remember his ass.
It's there.
You see his ass.
Well, I thought...
It's when he's talking to Ben Safty.
Yeah, that's right.
Can you put some underwear on?
Yeah, yeah.
So basically, Benny Safty's trying to recruit professional golfers to join the Maxi Golf League.
No one really wants to do it.
Benny Safty, great actor.
Weird looking guy.
As part of it, he pays to get Shooter McGavin out of his insane asylum on the condition that he
joins the maxi golf tour.
Jim McGavin's like, I'm not doing that and throws hot coffee in his face, runs away.
He's kind of on the run.
He links up with Heavy Gilmore.
They're like, we have to do this together.
It's not really clear why, but I do feel as though, even in explaining that kinds of sets
up the tone for the movie, which is like, this is not a movie that is designed to withstand
intense critical analysis.
And yet it is still a movie that should be designed to withstand at least a little bit more.
I would say they've spent a lot of time thinking about some things.
But then if you think about any aspect of it twice, it's pretty paper thin.
Because you're right.
So Shudan McAvon is here.
And he goes in front of the parole board.
This is sort of the introduction to saying that he's still around in this universe.
And the parole board say, listen, you've been on remand for almost three decades.
We are very much inclined to let you go as a result.
And he says, well, that's great.
Obviously, I'd return to the community and I'd want to help children and snuggle animals wherever possible.
I say, well, what will happen if you encounter Happy Gilmore?
And he says, absolutely nothing.
I'm totally over that.
It's fine.
And they say, what about if it was on a golf course?
He says, no, that's fine.
And then they say, well, what if he's wearing a gold jacket?
And this sets him into a blind rage.
Yeah.
And they say, all right, fuck face.
You're not ready.
You're not ready to be paroled.
So then, yeah, Benny Safty buys him out.
And then he's sort of out underneath his thumb until he throws coffee in him.
And he runs away.
He comes across Happy Gilmore in a graveyard, which has tombstones that are like everywhere.
basically who's died between heavy Gilmore and now either on or off camera the kind of the whole
framing of it is you see Bob Barker's tombstone and then that gone speaking of a very funny
Instagram reel I sent you recently which was Bob Barker's a racist Bob Barker avoiding black
contestants on the prices right different time I think it was born in the 30s but it is a very
funny montage he's generally quite frightened yeah it's not a good look it's not a good look
So they are in the graveyard that has Bob Barker's tombstone and shot,
and then they replicate the famous fight,
which became like cult classic status in terms of a...
It won the first ever MTV...
Best fight?
Best fight in a movie award.
And they replicate that fight,
but it's kind of like meaningless.
Yeah.
It obviously doesn't have the same pizzazz to it.
And then thereafter,
Happy Gilmore and Shooter are like best buds.
They teamed up.
Nothing has really happened.
and they just kind of beat the shit out of each other a little bit,
and now they're a line.
So I think where the movie gets confused,
if it was just happy trying to win back the money
so that he could pay for his daughter and go to dance school,
I'm like, well, it might be a bit thin,
but also that's enough.
Yeah.
But at some point, his mission becomes hijacked by this broader plot,
which is that we need to save traditional golf from maxi golf.
Yeah.
And so Happy Gilmore is not put for by Benny Safte.
Yeah, is not just playing for his daughter.
he's playing to save traditional golf.
Benny Safdi's character in this is fascinating,
because I don't have a full read on who the sky is,
but the clues.
Benny Safti or the character?
The character.
Both.
But I don't really want to know too much about Benny Safty, the man.
I've got a very concerning vibe about what he's capable of.
He's got a fascinating face, doesn't he?
Really interesting look.
He's definitely, like he's shaved the bit, you know, like every decision he
makes,
deepens the intrigue about Beni Saffty.
He's leaned in to a very powerful and mysterious,
like Dr. Strange facial hair.
I mean,
but Benny Safi's appearance here is like,
it's testament to Sandler's reach.
Obviously him and,
him and his brother directed him in Uncut Gems,
but it's like,
Benny Safty's here,
I guess because he loves Adam Sandler
and probably grew up loving Happy Gilmore.
Like I think so many people are here
just because they loved Happy Gilmore growing up.
Yeah, probably anyway.
Benny Safdi's character in this is some sort of maniacal, like, billionaire-esque kind of guy who has like a compound.
And he's been doing scientific research on what has, he found one other golfer in the annals of history.
Yeah.
Who could swing with, and drive the ball with the same reach as Happy Gilmore.
And it was this guy from the 50s who is fucking Nick Swordson and black and white grain of footage.
His name was like Donald Jr or something.
And he manages to retrieve an x-ray of his body
because the mafia lodged a boot up his ass when they kicked his ass
for, I think, winning too many tournaments or something against their boys.
And so there's this x-ray that exists of him,
and Benny Safdi's character has discovered that there is a ligament which was disconnected
because of an accident he had earlier in life,
which gives him the ability to hyper-extend his swing.
And so now Benny Safty has gone around creating a tournament
where he's been sniping this ligament from golfing great
to be able to give them the same hyper-extension abilities
and driving range,
which is a fucking crazy plot point.
And also, he has magically bad breath.
And there is a bit of the movie
where he walks into his own scientific compound
and there is a lock that is unlocked by him breathing into it
and the door panels says fart identified
and the door swings open.
Which like, it's just the kind of cartoon hijacks that I was like, that's actually enough absurdity get me.
That's quite good.
At one, like, it's sort of a recurring back and forth between Adam, between Happy and his character that he's like, you got bad breath.
And at some point he's defending it, he's like, yeah, well, guess what?
My granddad had ginger vitus.
It's originally my granddad had ginger vitus.
I mean, it's sort of, it's a similar scatter gun approach.
So it's like, we're just going to bang a certain number of drums, a certain number of times, and some of them are going to make the right note.
Which is fine, which is fine.
Anyway, sorry, should we get back to either the plot or the cameos?
Well, I just want to say on Maxigolf,
like he's done this thing which is sniffing the ligament
and all these people who have further drives.
And at the end of the tournament,
we do get to see the vision for Maxigolf.
And there's like a sort of cool borders-esque a aesthetic
and functionality to Maxigolf,
which is like, as we were saying,
this is called Flex and Eight Ball and stuff.
It's a bunch of people.
One of them is Paul Hudson,
best known as the yoga instructor from growing up, too.
it's a bunch of people who are dressed in like you know they're dressed like snowboarders
and there was quite a fun video game element to the mexigov which is like the first
hole is just all a forest and you have to drive over the forest we have to play through the forest
different ones like all of the bunkers are on fire one of them starts in the sand and then there's
grass and then the green is an ice rink it's like yeah these are these are visually stimulating
and kind of intriguing absolutely and there was like uh yeah i was seeing all of those just um
I was reverse engineering the work that the art department went to,
the lengths to be able to get these shots that are depicted for about seven frames of the movie.
Because they were on so briefly.
I was like,
someone came up with a pretty cool idea before I like golf competitor.
And then some art department had to go and build that thing.
Yeah.
And it was just a scant.
If the whole movie was that, it's kind of like, well, that works for me.
Well, the finale, like the final piece of tension did exist based on the premise of,
one of the Maxigolf twists,
the art department twists,
which is like a hole,
which is elevated,
and if you stand on it,
it tips towards you.
So it moves where the ball
as it means that the physics
are constantly changing.
But anyway,
let's get back to the cameos.
So these are what we're going to call
non-camio roles.
Okay.
Sandler, Julie Bond,
Christopher McDonald,
Benny Safty.
Ben Stiller reprises role as HAL.
Yep.
Credited this time.
Yeah, and he was good.
Bad Bunny,
um,
incredibly high-profile cameo
who plays his,
caddy who's like he was working as a bus boy at the fancy golf dinner he got fired by
Travis Kelsey yeah huge and a cameo who recently had his marriage to Taylor Swift officiated
yeah by Adam Sandler John Daly he's probably slightly elevated to a cameo
did you read about that wedding by the way at MSG not a lot apparently it fucking sucked
no and all the celebrities who were there were like I had to wait in a line for a billion hours
the food was bad oh really
Yeah, potentially, like, do people have to pay for drinks or something?
Apparently it was shockingly bad.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
That's crazy.
You should look it up.
I have read some funny shit.
Our boy, Dennis Dugan reprides this role as Doug.
I don't think, see, I still don't think that these qualifies cameos.
No, they don't.
Lavelle Crawford plays Chubbs' son, also with a wooden hand.
I call that a cameo.
People might remember him as Bill Burr's sort of like, I was going to say off-sider,
but they're co
sort of heavies
and Breaking Bad.
I've not seen it as well.
It's the big guy
where they lie on
the big bed of money
together in the truck.
Now we're into the Sandler's
your Jackies,
your Sadies,
your Sonys.
Get them all in.
Yeah.
Again,
not really cameos.
I actually thought
Sonny,
sorry,
Sadie Sandler,
no,
Sunny Sandler,
who played the
dancing daughter.
I thought she had
quite a good
emotional gravitas.
Same.
I thought both the daughters
were great.
You got four,
younger actors I've not heard of
who are the sons
and now you're into some traditional
Sandler sort of collaborator
Steve Bouchimi who is not in the original
Happy Gilmore plays Bad Neighbor Pat
Kevin Neeland reprises his role as Gary Potter
going to talk about some cameos now
that are like
cameos where Adam's doing favours for his community
that's your Swartons
your Schneiders
your John Farley's
Can we just hold over
Schneider's appearance for a moment because I'm very concerned we'll forget to get back to it.
Yeah, of course.
So in the first movie, what Happy Gilmore manages to do, as we discussed in the last episode,
is harness sort of channel the power that he has access to through his rage, but sort of focus
it like a laser finding its aperture correctly by going to his happy place.
His happy place is seeing Virginia in Liederhosen holding two steins of beer and then also
the camera pan, while in this beautiful,
picturesque garden with sprinklers behind her going,
and then the, for some reason, camera pans,
and there is a little person riding a tricycle, I believe, for memory.
And so in this movie,
and we need to get into this.
So they replicate that of happy going to his happy place,
and they pan, and instead of having the little person...
Well, I think he said that maybe I've got to update it a little bit
to be appropriate or something.
Age appropriate.
I think that comes later.
I think that changes later.
No, I think that's the one.
Oh, is it part of it?
Okay.
Oh, okay.
All right.
So what they do then is, do they have his late wife still in this one?
Yeah, I think so.
But they've removed the bears because he's trying to get off the source.
And there's a whole series of like old man things that would make you happy.
The apex being he holds up a pair of shorts which have medium on the band and they fit him.
Happy days.
Crack up.
The camera pans, and instead of seeing a little person on a tricycle, it's Rob Schneider playing the role.
playing the role of the little person
biking on the tricycle
who turns to camera and says,
You can't do it!
Yeah.
Which is like,
it is both putting him in the movie
and putting him in his place,
which I kind of have time for,
like Adam Sandler has got to have his cake
and eat it too
and his treatment of Rob Schneider in this movie.
It's a testament to Rob Schneider's will feel ignorance
about his place in society
that he's only too heavy.
I mean, what else is...
Or acceptance?
Yeah.
It's one or t'other.
Like, he either is,
is blissfully unaware of how he's being depicted,
or he knows what his sort of status and rank is
in the Sandler system now, and he goes,
look, these are the crumbs that I have access to.
I will take them and eat them up, yum, yum.
That's right.
But so at the same time...
18,000 dollars, you say, to be in a Netflix movie?
Yeah, I was paying them to put mine on the platform.
But so you've got your Swordsons and your Schneiders.
You've got John Lovitz in a cameo
which was sending me around the bend with laughter.
Heavy Gilmore's relearning how to drive at a driving range.
as a training exercise every time John Lovitz hits his ball,
Happy Gilmore hits his to collide with it.
And it's really starting to annoy John Lovett.
And at one point, he's sort of so annoyed,
and he said, he says, I'll stop doing that.
And then John Lovitz goes to practice the Happy Gilmore swing.
He's on the top layer of a driving range.
He falls over the safeguard and is dangling by one foot.
And he's going, damn, you, Happy Gilmore or something.
It's not quite full-throated Lovitz,
but the physical violence gags,
like any time that someone's body's getting really thrown around or ragdolled are connecting.
These are jokes that work.
So then you've also got your Robert Schmeigel, who's like an old SNL rider.
I'd put him with sort of your Kevin Nelons.
I've got your Jim Downey, who's Norm's old collaborator on Weeking Update.
Like these are in the sort of traditional mold of Adam Sandler collaborators, giving out roles to people who he's worked with before who might not otherwise be appearing in something.
He also gave one to the cross-eyed guy who's name I never.
learned who was in all the Adam Sandler movies.
Yeah.
So that's one sort of echelon
of collaborators.
You've also got John Farley, who we most
recently saw on the Benchwarmers, who is
not the CEO of Ford Motors.
Yeah.
United States.
So now we're going to move into your sort of,
as mentioned, Eric Andre's, Martin
Hurley, he's Margaret Qualley's
Post Malones.
Yeah.
These are sort of just
famous people
across culture.
I think this is
where I'm getting...
Travis Kelsey.
Yeah, more towards.
Marcelo Hernandez.
One that I'm not going to say.
Stephen A. Smith, like these sportscasters.
Yeah.
Bobby Lee's.
Yeah, yeah.
Boban, who plays the son of the really tall guy who's a former NBA player.
Yeah, and this is what I'm talking about where I feel like these are probably the
group of people who I feel like were paid to post about it.
Yeah.
You know, rather than be in it.
That's what the actual money was for.
So then we get to the cameo.
that read like I you know the movie has set me up that basically any king Charles the reigning sovereign of the British Empire could turn up in this movie I'd be like I guess that makes sense everyone else is here why not
Eminem shows up in this movie yes and he is the son of the jackass guy that's right in the first movie who rides his car into the tree when he's trying to take out happy he sort of does take out happy but then he drives his car into the tree and
It was just so shocking to me to see Marshall Mathers in an Adam Sandler movie, and especially in this one.
It's a combination between the work that Marshall Mathers has done to his face and the way that Netflix films their movies, which made him look like incredibly sharp.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But he was fucking funny.
He was awesome in it.
He had a great cameo.
He was very funny.
He got torn asunder by four different alligators waiting for him, and he was whaling.
on the minute when he says Detroit drops an elbow one of them.
Yeah.
So it was very funny, but I don't know.
There was just, I guess in the same way that there is, you know,
a generation that grew up with Happy Gilmore,
this is kind of the same generation that grew up with Eminem is a pretty important
cultural figure in our lives as white boys that came up through the 2000s.
And there's something about him being in this,
like I say
algorithmically derived movie
that just makes me realize
these old guys
kind of can't say no to a paycheck or something
oh man I just think you've got to stop making them
thinking it's about money for these guys
yeah it's just it's like
the payment is it's not just
that they have to post it
it's that they get to post it it's interesting
it's cultural cachet
usually I would sort of agree with you
because the thing is it's kind of like
well, you're either getting paid
or you're in a good movie.
Like there's two reasons to do it.
But at this, it's neither.
There's a third option,
which is you get to hang out with Adam Sandler
on an Adam Sandler production,
which is kind of a new lane of reason to do a movie
that didn't exist before.
Yeah.
You're neither in a good movie,
nor are you getting paid a lot.
You get to hang with Adam.
What an incredible thing he's built.
Yes.
What an amazing machine.
It's like, it's staggering.
And then you all.
also wind up having people watch your output and talk about it as though it wasn't just a big group hang.
Did this movie go to cinemas?
Did this movie make me?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No.
This is a Netflix movie.
Also, I don't know if we mentioned him.
Haley Joel Osman is in it.
Very prominently.
Who becomes like his chief antagonist.
Guy Fierre is in this movie.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Haley Joel Osman is awesome in this movie and in everything I think I've ever seen him in.
He's so great.
Reggie Bush.
Former NFL star or former like college football star and then NFL Super Bowl winner,
but without a career that we thought he was going to have.
Reggie Bush appears in this movie as eight ball.
Like, it's a WWE star who's also part of the Maxi Golf side.
But then to golfers, we've got Nick Feldo,
Sergio Garcia, Jack Nicholas.
These are like the sort of old here at Lee Trevino reprises Rob.
who was like one of the original cameos.
He's the guy who did they do a lot of cutaways too.
Then you've got the aforementioned sort of disambos
and...
Deschamboes and McElroyd and Shefflers.
Zander Shelfly's in it.
Here's a funny bit.
There's a funny bit when Dennis Dugan's character keeps doing a speech
and Zander Shelfly keeps trying to go...
He keeps going, that's what she said.
And everyone's like, I don't think that's right.
But Travis Kelsey keeps cracking up at it.
He does two out loud.
That's what she says it.
one laughs and then there's a third one and he whispers it and he whispers it.
And Travis Kelsey and Travis Kelsey cracks up again.
It made me laugh.
Marcelo Hernandez's cameo as Bad Bunny's cousin also really made me laugh.
There was absolutely no reason for him to be here except that he's like a current famous
SNL guy and it's fun for him to be here.
And at one point, while they're training them to play Maxie Golf, which involves moving targets,
he agrees to put padding on and like run around in the distance of the driving
range they'll have to try and hit him he's like why won't we just hit him he goes
because i'm shifty and then he starts running and they're all trying to hit golf balls at him
and he's dodging them and he's kind of making noises and it's pretty funny and then
have you go more fucking pegs in one square in the chest he goes oh and then everyone starts
pelting this guy with golf boys and golf balls and he's really taking it and that was like
I think the hardest i laughed in the whole movie it is so fucking stupid
And the winner is football to the groin.
You can't beat a good bit of physical comedy.
And this movie is testament to that.
I think that that should, even if there's more cameos to mention,
I think that should do it for our conversation about them.
So, Guy, can I ask you this?
What did you make of it?
What do you make of it all?
Because I haven't quite got to read on you about your feelings.
In trying to discuss it,
I feel like my own hand is reaching,
across my skull and squeezing my brain.
It's like this is not a movie made for analysis.
This is a movie made to like, this is a movie that...
Don't you think that's weird?
Don't you think you should watch a movie and then be able to say whether you enjoyed the
movie?
No, no, you should watch a movie and be able to remember five cameos, three lines.
This is what movies are now?
Like, this movie is not designed for analysis.
It's a movie that's designed to sort of move through and around you.
So most of it...
glances over you and you're slick with a little bit of the movie but it washes off real easy
like some of them creep into open orifices and they bet in but we're okay this analogy is wild
so that's a little bit of the movie has bedded in uh-huh it is a livable condition it is not
actually cause for concern but the more you think about it the more troubling it becomes and what
we're doing i would describe as thinking about it and that's why it feels like someone's squeezing
my brain.
Right.
Because we experienced the movie
as it was intended to be,
which is to watch it
and be like,
oh, they made this.
That's interesting.
We're not then meant to go over it.
Can I ask you this?
Grownups 2 obviously fits that same mold.
It was clearly not designed
for any kind of analysis
beyond going to the Cineplex once
with your kids and seeing it,
buying a popcorn,
leaving, never thinking about it again.
Do you think grown-ups 2 was sort of...
an early,
what are they called?
Progenerator?
Maybe that's the word?
Like an early example.
I know what you mean.
Well, it's an interesting theory.
Or is this thing always been around?
It's both,
but it's an interesting theory
because Sandler and Netflix
signed a multi-film deal quite early.
Like, early in, like,
Netflix was still kind of nascent.
Like, it was still establishing
what its parameters for operation were
and how it wanted to make movies.
Yeah.
And so your theory that grown-ups too
was like an early representation
for the style of movie they would make.
I would say holds water
because I'm trying to recess basically like
I think in some ways
Adam Sandler is an originator
or a pioneer really
of a type of utterly forgettable film
like made on purpose that way.
I'm just trying to think of
has there always been a real?
I guess there's always been light films, right?
Mm-hmm.
But not ones where it's like,
you really are not allowed to think about this movie
because it'll break.
Yeah.
You know, like I think all the movies I'm thinking of in the 80s and 90s,
you know, like Caddy Shack, Ghostbusters,
your Ferris Bueller's, your John Hughes joints.
Yeah.
Like, they all hold up.
There is a simplicity to them,
which makes them...
Like, even...
Okay, so Problem Child?
maybe let's cast a little mind back to problem child right was his problem child no it didn't hurt my
brain yeah because they were digestible because we were living in a different society because you could
recount the journey from a to b yeah without like getting lost in the muck and the mire of the digressions
while the movies are purportedly meant to be easier to follow the volume of cameos and extraneous like
sort of noise that's being introduced to ensure that not that people will enjoy watching them,
but they will watch them in the first place as what is making it so confusing.
Can you say that again?
Almost definitely not.
So what I'm saying is the journey from A to B means that you can recount the film,
you can have a conversation about it, and it's quite a straightforward conversation
because your brain doesn't hurt to try and remember the basic details of a story in which
a character wants something, obstacles are put in front of.
them.
Yeah.
There is a resolution we arrive at.
Yeah.
If at the start of the movie you say a character wants something, and by the way, these
50 people are here as well, and by the way, some of them are doing this, it's not a
movie that's designed to be watched.
Like to be, it's a movie that's designed to make you watch it.
Not a movie that is designed to be watched.
Wow.
Okay.
Yeah, I think I'm on board with that.
So if you're analyzing a movie that is designed to make you watch it rather than be watched,
it's going to fucking make it feel like someone's squeezing your brain.
And the thing is, Tim, if you zoom out far enough to take a look at us, not just our heads,
but whose hands are squeezing whose brains.
Yeah.
My hand is atop your head and your hand is atop my head.
Gross.
No one is squeezing our brains except each other.
We are the self-squeezing machines and we cannot be stopped.
I guess the thing I want to say in response to that is,
I was born in 1987 and maybe I'm just showing my age,
but I feel like movies used to be made strong enough to withstand a squeeze.
They don't make them out of the same material anymore.
They literally don't.
It's like getting a pair of jeans or something these days.
We formerly they would last 10 years before getting a tear in them.
And now through cost cutting, they've figured out a way to make them cost 40 bucks,
but you wash them twice in the washing.
machine will put a rip on them.
It's that for cinema.
It's cheaper and it's worse.
It is one ply movies.
Yes.
You're going to run your finger through and get to your asshole.
You're going to get shit on your finger now.
You're going to have shit on your ass and you're going to shit on your finger.
Because they used to make the movies with three ply paper and they don't do it anymore.
They make it with one ply paper.
Yeah.
The other thing that came into my mind while you were talking about sort of the confusing plot
colder sacks that we get sort of thrown into and too many characters and things is
the Matrix Reloaded.
because that is a movie where the first movie is so good.
Matrix 1.
Chris Parker's threw it for the first time recently
as described it to me as a perfect film.
Yeah, he's not wrong.
Imagine getting to watch The Matrix for the first time.
Incredible.
So then the Matrix 2 comes out in 2003,
and it is like not the Matrix.
No.
It's got so many Coldestacks,
so many people and in some ways as well
sort of similar to this it
has you know like Monica
Belushi is in there for some reason and there's
a bunch of kind of weird
there's that French guy who plays Monica
Baloocheon oh she's this like absolutely
stunning woman who's been in tons of
films yeah yeah she's there
with the Mera Vinci and it's like his
mistress I guess who double crosses him
and he makes a cake
that makes her come or something
it's a great scene it's awesome but again
like kind of confusing and needless
But so much that movie is
And then like the twins are there
You know the ghost twins
That they have the highway chase on
There's so much stuff that's in
The Matrix Reloaded
Which like absolutely doesn't need to be in there
You strip it out and the plot
Remains the same
But it is kind of cool
It's confusing and additive
And too much
But it is cool
And it can withstand some scrutiny as well
You can look at all these pieces
And be like
The twins are an interesting concept
And that you have
Vampires and Ghosts
and goblins and zombies are real in the real world
and they are programs that have basically become corrupted
as part of the system.
But in this, if you start thinking about like,
why is bad bunny here?
Why does bad bunny have his own?
I've got the analogy and I've got what we're about to do to ourselves.
What you're describing is seeing something
which at least was ambitious and analyzing it
and sort of being able to pick up different fragments
and bits and pieces and be like,
oh, this might be where it went wrong.
It was interesting they did this, but this didn't quite fit,
so I understand why the machine broke down.
What we are doing is looking at a bowl of diarrhea
and saying, where did it go wrong?
And what we will be doing when we do Grownups 3
is looking at the same bowl without changing our diet shit to shit
and being like, why does it still look like this?
Now, Jackson Pollard managed to pull off the aesthetic
in a visually pleasing way.
Why is this diarrhea bowl not achieving the same aesthetic quality
that I seek in my...
Look, I said this movie can't hurt me and I stand by it.
Like, this to me is a two and a half star movie.
I think you're wrong.
The closest you got to describing the feeling this movie gave you was you
raking your hand across your own brain and head and squeezing your brain.
So, I think it did hurt you.
That's not, you refuse to admit it.
That's not the movie.
That's the fear of what's to come.
Okay.
What the movie can't hurt me.
What the movie represents can cause fear.
It's a threat.
It's a threat.
This movie is a, this movie is a, this.
This movie is a shot across the bow.
This movie is a threat.
And what's the threat guy?
What's coming?
Well, the threat is what I just said.
The threat is that you and I have got our hands on each other's brains.
I want to have to say that out.
And we're squeezing them while we stare at a bowl of diarrhea every week saying, why are we still sick?
We need to say our feelings out loud.
We're going to watch Grunups 3 for a year.
We're going to watch Grunups 3 every week for a year.
Yeah.
And it's going to hurt.
Well, look.
It's going to hurt in different interesting ways.
What I will say.
The time commitment alone.
What I will say.
I had to watch this with a sick child on my leg today.
It's hard.
It's hard when you have a family.
What I will say, I don't think that they can make grown-ups three as convoluted as they made this movie.
Brother.
I don't think that they can introduce technology.
Like, this is about golf.
Okay.
I don't think that they can make grown-ups
through his convoluted as movie
because it's why you're walking up to Mike Tyson
and going, I don't think you can hit me that hard.
Yeah.
The guy who made this is Adam Sandler.
You don't think he's capable of making
another needlessly complicated comedy sequel?
It's just this again,
but we're going to be doing it for a year.
You fucking idiot?
Why would you put this corner on the table?
No, because Happy Gilmore was a straightforward story.
Happy Gilmore,
was an underdog overcoming the odds and getting the girl along the way.
Grownups too was a prolonged, failed, improvised riff,
a meditation on growing old and several dysfunctional comedy set pieces.
Okay?
You can't like recog-like if you can't, you can't, like I've had a meal of Happy Gilmore before.
Uh-huh.
And then I've had a chef try to cook with some of the same flavors but introduce a whole
of that bombastic new taste
and it came out all wrong, okay?
Grownups 2 is a fucked up
grazing board.
Uh-huh.
You can't fuck up a fucked up grazing board.
On that,
I am going to rank Happy Gilmore 2,
two golf balls out of a potential
five golf balls.
I'm giving it two golf balls
and half a golf ball
full of Jack Daniels.
Two and a half golf balls.
With a little bit of help to take the edge off.
Would you like to pick a movie
that we are going to
is it next?
Why don't you?
Why don't you drive?
Well, I said here comes to the boom before,
and now I'm trying to remember,
did we ever swap out Paul Blatt for that?
Someone did.
Yeah, it was that game where,
no, I think it was Justin,
it was Juice maybe.
It was that game where one of us had to secretly watch that
and pretend that they'd watch Paul Blatt,
Moorghawk too.
But look, I mean, yeah, there was no Kevin James in this movie.
Well, let's bring them in, let's get them off the bench.
We're going to watch here comes the boom next.
Yeah.
Why not?
See you there, everybody.
I feel like I've already got like a medical grade concussion.
I don't think meeting Kevin James in the fucking W.W.E.
It's going to help.
More.
Always more.
The experiment must continue.
