The Worst Idea Of All Time - DIRECTOR'S COMMENTARY (ONE)

Episode Date: July 23, 2017

It's been a long time coming but the boiz have managed to secure director Maximum Joseph and writer Meaghan Oppenheimer for a director's commentary. Enjoy. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for... more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:16 Are you gonna play that dastardly intro again? Try, try, try, try, try, try, try. Ow! This movie's still fine. It's a cully bastard One of them dies, that guy's screw One of them's a hothead, his name is Jay One of them looks like Johnny Depp
Starting point is 00:00:32 And his name is Johnny Depp Classic Maximum Joseph You forget that films are supposed to have a point Hello Hello and welcome to this director's commentary. Of the film. Of the film. We are your friends.
Starting point is 00:00:49 We work so well together that we finish each other's sentences, don't we? We sure do. My name is Max Joseph, but you might know me affectionately by my self-chosen and very popular nickname, Maximum Joseph. And my name is Megan Oppenheimer. Megan Oppenheimer. A pleasure to see you. Say it with me now.
Starting point is 00:01:11 Megan Oppenheimer. Everybody at home, once more, Megan Oppenheimer. And that is how we would start every day. When we were working on the script, We Are Your Friends, we thought to portray friendship friendship we'd best display friendship to each other one of our many rhyming slogans that we use to guide the writing process hundreds of which we will share with you throughout this director's commentary well rest assured there is ample opportunity as we hold your hand through this screening of our i would say commercially
Starting point is 00:01:46 you know uh not next yeah i really love that term mixed because when this movie came out we had what got described as mixed reviews which was exactly what we were hoping for because what's an important element of djing you You guessed it. The mix. See, we know each other so well. We can guess exactly where the other one's going. It's a beautiful thing to behold, isn't it? So, look, listen. Welcome to this film.
Starting point is 00:02:17 We're in it now. We've been introduced to our first two characters already. We took a lot of time fleshing them out, really thinking about them. We wanted to make some three-dimensional representations of the kind of fuckboys that we were used to on the LA scene. Frustratingly, neither of us could remember examples of the people we tried to write about, so we had to kind of build the characters from scratch. We had to create entire people.
Starting point is 00:02:41 You don't look in a position that you'll be comfortable even after about 20 minutes, I've got to say, Max. Do you want to in a position that you'll be comfortable even after about 20 minutes, I've got to say, Max. Do you want to chill out or are you okay for now? Do you want me to chill out? I just want you to be in a position where you can chill out
Starting point is 00:02:53 because we're in for a long time, not a good time. Yeah, no doubt. You know what I'm saying? Do you want me to make some adjustments so that maybe your headphones aren't quite so... No, no, I've got to tell you, Megan,
Starting point is 00:03:02 I love how accommodating you are. I've always said this about you too accommodating if anything all right rest assured if i'm uncomfortable i will speak out so max um we thought we'd chuck some more characters in at this point because we've done such a good job of commentating on the fleshed out nature of the two we haven't even named them yet look we've we've copped an eyeful of our star. Yeah, we really have. Zach Coley, the crying DJ, who we decided to have embodied by the actor Zach Zeis-Fron, I believe his name is.
Starting point is 00:03:34 That's how he insists on being called now. At the time, he was known as Zach Efron. Probably still, even though it was years ago, still best known probably for his role in High School Musicals, certainly at the time we secured him for the film. I mean, I would argue he still is. Right? Yeah. The crazy thing is we showed him the original script for We Are Your Friends.
Starting point is 00:03:55 And we told him, well, it was at the time, it was a pitch for High School Musical 4. And he was really excited by it. He was positively jazzed. He was positively jazzed. He was. And like we say when we made the movie, if you want to make it with them, you've got to fake it with them. You see? So sometimes you've got to pop a little line.
Starting point is 00:04:13 This feels like a new spin on an old Hollywood favourite. I have no idea what you're talking about. Of course, as usual, Maxima. So we thought it would be fun in this bit of the film to just take a break from making a film. We were finding storytelling really hard. And it was quite jarring for us how quickly we found that pop up in the process.
Starting point is 00:04:37 So just to make sure we remain comfortable with the process, we decided at this point we'd insert a music video, something which is much easier to direct. Something that't require a lot of experience yeah i myself have directed numerous music videos and i myself also have directed numerous music videos we don't need to get into the finer points of which or for whom when some of them are very well known and not for the end product but uh certainly for some of uh what happened on look anyway that's all in the past now and the future is uh is is this is now really isn't it these are the characters establishing uh some of their personality traits their relationships to one
Starting point is 00:05:18 another and instead of writing dialogue what we did is we got all them to just say it straight down the barrel of the fucking camera. We just thought it would be easier, you know? And a lot of these decisions were made in the editing room, I have to confess. There was a lot of ADR, a lot of... We kind of got to the point where the studio was getting furious that a movie wasn't coming out. Oh, okay. We've experienced our first technical error.
Starting point is 00:05:42 That's good. What seems to be the problem there, Megan? I'm not sure. Well, rest assured, the film is going along at a reasonable clip. Yeah. As you were saying, what exactly were you saying? Look, it's impossible to tell, but, you know, life comes at you pretty fast.
Starting point is 00:06:10 to tell but um you know life comes at you pretty fast so fuck what i was trying to um tell everyone was that a lot of these uh decisions got made in the editing room because the studio were going they keep tapping their watch they walk into the room with us and they just tap on their wrist watch and we go yeah yeah yeah yeah we get it you've got a nice watch they come in with a calendar a wall calendar we say yes we get it you can afford wall calendars we get it. You've got a nice watch. They come in with a calendar, a wall calendar. We say, yes, yes, we get it. You can afford wall calendars. We understand. We've got, we read you. And then Jeff from the studio,
Starting point is 00:06:33 he told both of us, he said, you two will never work in this town again if you don't fulfill your contractual obligations to give us a Zeiss Fran-led ensemble music movie. And we said, well, that's a terrifying prospect because that deadline is looming
Starting point is 00:06:47 and we've been through all of the footage. A movie it does not make currently. So we started scrambling, looking for other editors with music video experience and then discovered this nifty little thing called stock footage, which you can purchase online pretty cheaply. If any of you are sort of stuck in the quagmire of making a movie right now, I cannot recommend
Starting point is 00:07:09 stock footage enough. It was a real game changer for us. We accidentally gave Zeiss Fron the majority of the production budget of this film, but I think the stock footage did a majority of the heavy lifting and storytelling. That's right. And it cost us next to nothing. Well, we- A few hundred dollars.
Starting point is 00:07:25 We pitched that sort of marketing idea to the studio. We said- To Jeff. We said, what about this? A movie that is led by stock footage. And Jeff said, look, that's not really what we paid you for. And we said, I know, but that's what we got. You're cleaning that up a bit too.
Starting point is 00:07:44 Because I'll tell you what,ff curses like a sailor absolute potty mouth on that man if you don't know sailors are famous for having a terrible mouths he did have a point though which is that we were treading new ground had not been done before well not successfully and i also assured us that the marketing materials weren't really part of our responsibility, which I kind of found infuriating. I largely made this movie to experience what it's like to advertise one, so to have that taken away from me really... You just wanted to get on that junket, didn't you, Max?
Starting point is 00:08:17 Yeah, well, I had a lot of fun on the junket, obviously with Zace Fron, as he wants to be known now, and didn't do a lot of tours with Jarhead actually he didn't really want to come on any of the media junkets confusingly to me
Starting point is 00:08:30 no he's a serious actor I believe he had a play opening downtown LA he was doing a Shakespeare it's crazy to me Shakespeare show
Starting point is 00:08:39 is that what they're called yeah Shakespeare show but you would act in a movie and then afterwards choose to do a play I was like Jarhead we've got cameras.
Starting point is 00:08:47 We can film this stuff. Hey, dude, what was the first maneuver as a seven-year-old once you were cracked riding a bicycle? Did you chuck some training wheels on it again? No. Did you take a step back? No, dude. It's the exact same situation.
Starting point is 00:09:00 Well, in this circumstance, Jarhead actually had. That's exactly what it is. He found the thrill of riding a bicycle without training wheels too exhilarating. And so every night, he'd wait for his parents to fall asleep and he'd tell the story every day on set, which eventually became infuriating. But he'd run downstairs
Starting point is 00:09:16 under the banner of darkness and to fix training wheels back to his bike because he found it a much more secure experience. Seems crazy to me. Every morning his father would take them off and every night he'd put them back on again so he's um he's certainly a cautious man and he uh he sort of insisted between takes on doing like on prac i guess you could call it practicing but um on yeah practicing the takes with the other performers which we all found very distracting when we were trying to have a good time.
Starting point is 00:09:47 He kept tugging at their shirts and saying, we've got to go practice. Yeah, what did he call it? Rehorsal? I think it's because when you ride horses, you want to have a couple of goes before you get in the race. So he was being like, we need to rehorsal the scene. That sounds right to me.
Starting point is 00:10:08 Of course, acting is Jarhead's second passion after equestrian. Correct. And boy, did he let us hear about it and see it by bringing his equine to set every day. He insisted upon riding it. We said, we can send a car for you. He said, no, no, I'm fine for transport. Thank you. P.S. I'm going to need some hay bales, shade, sugar cubes, salt licks, a water pail, a bridle,
Starting point is 00:10:33 and a brush. I, of course, didn't know at the time that horses like sugar cubes. Yeah. They love them. They can't get enough. Wow. But more as a special treat, you know? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:44 Well, it's a good thing that horses have hooves And not fingers Otherwise they'd always be combing through the sugar cubes And masturbating That's the other thing they'd be doing all the time You can masturbate with hooves Can you? You can't with your horse's legs though can you?
Starting point is 00:10:59 Oh look nah it's Why was Jarhead He kept insisting on Tending to the horse every couple of days. Yeah, well, I think he just meant making sure the horse was still alive. I mean, we did work long hours.
Starting point is 00:11:11 Oh, my God. I feel embarrassed now because my mind went to a whole other place. Oh, you thought he was... I thought he was wagging off the horse. That's illegal. I mean, you know, I was over-minded as the next guy, Megan, but...
Starting point is 00:11:22 It's not illegal. It's a necessary part of horse husbandry. I know that it's not. If you want to be a good husband, you've got to wag that horse off. I know that it's not, strictly speaking, illegal, but I saw what he was doing, and the way Jay was doing it, definitely illegal. So look, as sure as my name is, Megan Oppenheimer.
Starting point is 00:11:40 Which it is. Co-writer of this fine film. Boy, did we have a great time filming this scene yeah introduced to our antagonist uh yeah slash uh sort of very formative figure in the the professional career of uh zay cole's character um zicoli zay's friend's character zicoli sorry uh dj james reed um now a lot of ds get DJ names, but we thought, you know what? Something a little different for this guy. What if, what if, what if we forgot to give him a DJ name in the movie about DJs?
Starting point is 00:12:17 And what if we did the exact same thing with our lead character played by Zayce Fron? You know? Yeah. And the studio, Jeff, was ropeable. Well, the thing is, if you want to capture the essence of the Los Angeles underground electronic music scene, then what you've got to do is you've got to get out there. You've got to see the sights, you've got to smell the smells,
Starting point is 00:12:37 and you've got to drink the drinks. And so that's what Megan and I did. We went out there and we got absolutely rat-faced. And after two months of intensive research, we came back with diddly-doo. And Jeff said, what did you find out there? And we sort of just panicked. That was the first meeting back after our two-month research break,
Starting point is 00:12:52 and we said, well, I'll tell you one thing that they're not doing. We're using alternative names. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Definitely no one needs to have a name. The thing with Jeff is what I admired about him is he had a lot of faith in us. He just kind of left us to it But then once he found out what we were doing That trust quickly was eroded
Starting point is 00:13:10 He's not afraid to make decisions And he's not afraid to go back on them And that's a trait that I think is very valuable In an employer or an employee Just in a professional relationship You've got to make decisions all the time Here's one that we made for this scene When we introduce the love interest
Starting point is 00:13:26 to Zace Fron, what should she be wearing? Beetlejuice's top? Sounds good. Yeah. Let's run with that. A lot of people don't know it's the original top
Starting point is 00:13:34 from Michael Keaton's Beetlejuice. Some people call it Tim Burton's but not me. Not after the way Tim treated me. No, let's get into that. No, no, please. No, let's get into that.
Starting point is 00:13:44 It's water under the bridge. Tim and I get along fine now What happened with you And Tim Burton What project were you working on Because this is a story That did not come out in filming Well and for good reason I think
Starting point is 00:13:53 I don't know what the word is Can you hold my beer Yeah no worries Thanks Max I got you Megan Pretty much Tim and I were Directing a music video
Starting point is 00:14:04 That was never released for Johnny Depp. Oh, boy. Yeah. Johnny Depp, eh? What a guy. He's not a... What a guy. Johnny wasn't doing that well at the time either.
Starting point is 00:14:18 Well, he's not doing that well now, from what I gather, either. No, no, no. The wave has crested and betwixt. And betwixt then and now. I saw that Pirates movie. The latest one? Yeah. How was it?
Starting point is 00:14:32 No good. Look, we can't shit on the industry too hard, but tell me all about it. So we wanted to introduce some cool to the film and we decided the way that you introduce cool to We Are Your Friends is with drug use. So we wrote in this nifty little scene i say right this one was a little more organic i have to confess uh maximum joseph started waving a notebook in front of my face and it just had the words drugs and circles all over the page various sizes various capitalization and i said okay
Starting point is 00:15:03 that was actually my name is megan oppenheimer co-writer of where are your friends i surely don't know what you're talking about and mac said someone give me a fucking camera and a boom operator and watch this he took two of our leading men two crew and he produced the scene all by himself and i i've never been prouder to work with you here's some of that stock footage doing the heavy lifting. The aerial shot of Los Angeles at night. Funnily enough, this scene, also all stock footage. Unbelievably, there was stock footage,
Starting point is 00:15:33 old stock footage of Zac Efron and Wes Bentley acting against each other in exactly the same costumes as they're in the scenes surrounding it in this film. So obviously we just brought that up, slotted it in and it, I mean... It's just too perfect. In terms of storytelling,
Starting point is 00:15:48 it sort of keeps things moving along in a reasonable clip quite nicely. Oh, boy. Okay, very good. Max, you all right over there? Sorry, I was... Every day at the same time, I work on my Donald Duck impression, and... Oh, it's just clicked over to be that time?
Starting point is 00:16:04 Yeah, but it's over now. It's going to be that time of the hour. So Minimum Joseph making a debut in the movie. And by debut, I mean cameo, because that's the first and last time we see him. Minimum Joseph is, and I know he's a good friend of yours, Max, but Jesus Christ, that kid is annoying.
Starting point is 00:16:21 Hey, come on now. He had no right to be on set. He had every right to be on set. He had every right to be on set. In what world was he entitled to be on set? He was a hired extra. I paid him in petrol vouchers. That's true. As all of our extras were.
Starting point is 00:16:37 Yeah, and... We found some interesting loopholes to those union laws, which is that if they're not working for you, you don't have to pay them. And what is work? Is it attending a party where there happens to be a lot of cinema cameras around? No, it's just a party, you know? Doesn't sound like work to me.
Starting point is 00:16:52 I mean, we put them through their paces, sure. I guess they all just went home and thought that was a really weird party. Yeah. And I mean, then there was the release forms. Yeah. Well, the way you want to do that is you want to forge the signatures you want to forge all of them that way you avoid any tricky conversations any sort of people who studied or studying law or like to fancy themselves a lawyer and ask you know pesky oh anyway this is
Starting point is 00:17:17 why i enjoy doing these um directors commentaries often i do it for my famous music videos which we won't get into the back catalog of now but these little tips and tricks of filmmaking for young guns who are just getting into the industry, they might not know that forging signatures for a party shoot is just the easiest way to go. If you go to any of the filmmaking schools, a lot of them are going to tell you you need release forms. Yeah, you know what I say?
Starting point is 00:17:40 Fuck film school. You do say that. Do you know what I keep saying on set? Of course you do because I said it all the time. Film school, not cool. You know, it's another one of our little rhyming slogans. That one was more yours. I actually went to film school and I found it to be very,
Starting point is 00:17:56 very valuable on my journey to being the director I am today. Maximum Joseph. And that's why we work so well together because we come from different backgrounds. And we finish each other's sentences. Not where I was going with that at all. I was going to say we sort of complement each other's with the different skill sets and
Starting point is 00:18:12 backgrounds that we come from. Yeah, and especially the sentences thing. So animators? That's what Jeff said to us. He kicked in the door one day and said animators? And we said, said Jeff what are you talking about and he said
Starting point is 00:18:27 he threw his watch down onto the desk where we were scribbling some notes and he said guys the film's coming out in a month I've got an idea what if I've got access to a few animators what if we put a cartoon in the film we said love it couldn't have felt better about it we were hoping it would take up more time
Starting point is 00:18:43 anywhere up to 30 or 40 minutes. But turns out he only had enough petrol vouchers to pay the animators for about 45 seconds of sequence, which still turned out to be a surprisingly large amount of petrol vouchers. Well, yeah, the thing is it's just harder to get animators at a party and working and convince them that they're not working.
Starting point is 00:19:03 They fancy themselves detectives, and more often than not, we'll see right through that. This is what filmmaking's all about, you know? The Greats, Hitchcock, Spielberg, Cameron. What do they all have in common? They figured out how to trick animators into coming to parties and how to forge their signatures I thought you were maybe going to include me on that You know I want to be on that list
Starting point is 00:19:31 You know as well as anyone My name belongs on that list Megan Maximum Joseph The fuel for good art Is the pursuit of greatness So by putting you on that plinth Alongside your heroes, I would be robbing you of the opportunity
Starting point is 00:19:47 to continue to strive for greatness. I won't do that, and I won't tolerate others doing it either. A very underhanded way of telling me I'm not great. So this was a scene that we decided to shoot after a big night out, and we just thought we'd roll with it. So everyone's hung over yeah somally
Starting point is 00:20:05 because she is a insufferable bore megan from one woman to another i will not stand for that statement just because someone lives a different lifestyle from you doesn't make them a bore i know that i know woman on woman violence in the industry shouldn't be tolerated verbally or physically but i engaged in both on this film uh numerous you really shouldn't be tolerated verbally or physically, but I engaged in both on this film numerous times. You really shouldn't be dredging any of this up, Megan, I've got to tell you. Well, look. I found, I think, the most intimidating element
Starting point is 00:20:32 of the way you treated Somi Leonce. It was the psychological warfare you waged. I won't apologise for it. Well, you really should. Well, I won't, and I'll barely acknowledge it. This is a fun little joke that you thought of yeah i i said what if we played we put a phone secretly on set somewhere and called it while the actors were performing and uh they were so confused you can see them all here they're just furious with me you can see it written all over their faces and then eventually they said where is it
Starting point is 00:21:05 i said i'm never going to tell you and they just sort of had to act around it and that's why everyone's kind of on edge here they do look pissed off as well don't they yeah that's true to you you're the one who's and they're all beautiful and i gotta tell you it's usually harder to piss off beautiful people because often they're just thinking to themselves how beautiful they are for some reason gives them a sense of satisfaction. Imagine just walking around constantly being unable to emote because you're just obsessed with how beautiful you are. So I define creative ways to undermine that.
Starting point is 00:21:34 Yeah. Well, I mean, look. What do you think I kept having a go at Somaly? You know, this is what I was talking about. No emotional depth because her whole head's just contained solely with how attractive she is are you speaking about somally the character that we created together or emily ragit kowski the human being that was created by uh mr and mrs ragit kowski presumably
Starting point is 00:21:57 with her acting skills potato potato my friend oh, if you don't know, potato, potato is an old Hollywood saying, meaning sort of you say one thing, I say another, but it's the same thing. Let's call the whole thing off. Potato. Tomato. No. Chocolate strawberry. This is why we struggle with the filmmaking process.
Starting point is 00:22:18 This is why we work well together, I think, because we finish each other's sentences. We're in the offbeat. We're not doing well getting on the same frequency or rhythm or tempo. Potato. This was a great scene to shoot. We decided to go to my favorite spot and just between you and I,
Starting point is 00:22:37 I have personally buried a few bodies overlooking the San Fernando Valley. Just between you and I. It absolutely is. This is a very special place to me. It's where I go to think, bury my enemies. Didn't you shoot one of your music videos on this exact location? Certainly did.
Starting point is 00:22:57 And I'm not going to name who it was for, but let's just say it rhymes with... I can't even think of a way to rhyme rihanna without saying it so let's just say it was her music video and be done with the matter i saw the rushes for that music video it's uh it's pretty easy to see why it didn't make it to broadcast what do you mean i just i saw some of the rushes and i don't know second bit. Why it didn't make it to broadcast. Yeah. Not sure why that keeps doing that,
Starting point is 00:23:28 but there's a little bit of equipment which is giving me a persistent error about once every six minutes. And I'll tell you what, we're locked in here for a little while and it's probably going to test my patience slightly if it's a constant six-minute hit of a button. I can imagine.
Starting point is 00:23:44 How comfortable are you with the other piece of equipment that we have? Pretty comfortable. Now this, this is where we got our last few cents of petrol vouchers out of the animators, introducing my favorite character of this film, Paige Harrell. Yeah. Deck full of diamonds, mouth full of concrete himself. This was based on an amalgamation of both of our fathers. Mine, of course, coming from a real estate background yours of course being an italian mafioso uh raised in
Starting point is 00:24:12 the bronx new york city and when you put those two things together um they're embodied in this sort of anti-hero of the film a hero figure for the boys who are largely fatherless. And he's the real North Star. He's the real North Star for these fuckboys. He is. Real North fuckstar. He is a fuckstar, actually, I've got to tell you. He really threw his word around on set.
Starting point is 00:24:43 But he also had quite a hostile attitude towards me throughout the process. I think he might have been in character, he might not have but he called me uh an unprofessional schmuck oh and um sort of stuck with me but i think he carried those sort of traits well into the the role of page and he's he's a cocksure guy that's what you got to know about this dude whose name i forget the actor is always on you know what i'm saying he's he's a regular daniel guy. That's what you've got to know about this dude, whose name I forget. The actor is always on. You know what I'm saying? He's a regular Daniel Day-Lewis. He turns up day one.
Starting point is 00:25:10 He's already in character. So you shouldn't take anything he says. Some of the other actors in the movie, they'd come up to me between takes, and they'd say, Mr. Joseph, Mr. Joseph. I'd say, please, call me Mr. Joseph. They'd say, he's acting too well.
Starting point is 00:25:24 He's acting too well. I'd say, the problem isn't that one say, he's acting too well. He's acting too well. I say, the problem isn't that one of my performers is acting too well. No, I think the problem here lies with the fact that you're not acting well enough. You sure told them. You took them to film school. That's another thing we'd say on set. Hey, don't be a tool. I'll take you to film school.
Starting point is 00:25:42 Yeah, and that would honestly halt a lot of momentum when someone would be a fool and we'd have to drive them all the way across town. Often in Russia, our traffic five, six hours. Not sure if that very close helicopter to the audio studio is getting picked up on mic, but we just like to leave the door open when we do these things
Starting point is 00:26:00 because that's just how we do things. Yeah. Here's the thing about Maximum, Joseph and I. We do things differently. You've heard of our blue sky thinkers. We're blue sky workers. We work outside a lot is what he's trying to say. He's trying to fancy it up a lot.
Starting point is 00:26:15 That's exactly what I'm trying to say. So this was a scene where we decided we needed- Our ceiling, the sky. Sometimes we finish each other's sentences. Oh, there's a little cat that's come to say hello with one eye. No way that you can verify if that's true or not, but I can assure you a cat is checking us out in studio with one eye. There's nothing wrong about that.
Starting point is 00:26:37 What are we going to say about this scene, Megan? What are your memories of writing it? What are your memories of shooting it? I remember every male and gay woman as part of our crew being a little bit distracted with a certain someone's costume choices
Starting point is 00:26:53 which I did not make myself but Zeiss Fron insisted on that bustling tank top that just shows them up and everyone was getting very jealous and thirsty It was really incredible i think because of the professional environment we try to instill on set when you'd you know when you'd work with a lot of extras or a lot of people who thought they were at a party and you keep telling them what to do and they were
Starting point is 00:27:17 saying but we're at a party and you keep saying no you've got to do this yeah they sort of they get prickly they and there was a lot of talk about the over sexualization of zeus fran uh that he's more than just a hunk of meat and um i mean it became a bit of an issue there was a lot of back and forward a lot of to and fro a lot of up and down a lot of rough and smooth a lot of black and white a lot of tumble and dry a lot of black and white, a lot of tumble and dry, a lot of caps and beanies. There was a lot of water and oil. There was a lot of fire and ice about it on set that day. Plus, Simon Lee had her tits out the whole time.
Starting point is 00:27:56 Yeah, that certainly didn't help matters either. We added the entire top half of that costume in CGI. What's quite cool about this scene, to think as you're watching it, is that we spliced it together. So obviously we shot this footage at a staged party where most of the people thought they were at a party. And then the way we got the sort of monologue, if you will, where Zace Front explains exactly what music is,
Starting point is 00:28:19 is we put him in a room for 10 hours and we said, you think about what you've done. After 10 hours he came out and we said, now describe DJing to us. And he just walked up to a microphone. He got it in one take. And that's a good thing, because we wouldn't have wanted it anymore. That's correct. One is enough.
Starting point is 00:28:35 One is the loneliest number, and it's all we need. Wednesday's Fronds doing a take. This is more stock footage take This is more stock footage This is more stock footage we had The house music stock footage was the cheapest of all Of course because no one Wants to buy it We bought that in a bargain bin that just said stock footage
Starting point is 00:28:55 Which is such a weird thing to find on a website It's like I didn't even know digital stock Could kind of have bargain bin status Yet here we are You click through to a page that had a big old yellow bin in it and a sign sticking out that said bargain bin. Come get your bargains. Things are starting to pick up now.
Starting point is 00:29:13 What we filmed mainly was Emily Radischkowski in front of a green screen for this. Yeah, the actual party guys were in far too hostile of a mood to look like they were enjoying themselves, which is what we really need from the scene. Andy Serkis there playing the role of Somaly's legs in motion capture, which was not a small feat of digital engineering, I can assure you. Not at all.
Starting point is 00:29:36 He had to play each leg at a different time. So it wound up being twice the cost and twice the work for Mr. Serkis. And we paid him twice the petrol vouchers for it. That's right. He was happy as Larry he's got a very gas guzzling car he does, he drives a Hummer. He's got a Pontiac and a Hummer as well. Yeah he drives a
Starting point is 00:30:00 Hummer stretch limo, it's a Hummer with a Pontiac in the middle that's what it is That's what it is. It is one of the ugliest. It's Hummer in the front and Hummer in the back, but Pontiac between the two. That's what we're dealing with. And it is long as the night.
Starting point is 00:30:17 And it requires the mileage of two cars. So there's two tanks in there. You've got to fill them both up. Yeah. Anyway, it turned out it wasn't necessary to get him because we had a lot of good footage of somaly's legs outside of mr circus so that's uh something we've uploaded we're going to try and earn the money back on that by putting it up on a stock footage website uh thinking how much we used it and how popular this film turned out to be obviously it's going to become a sensation. And I think that it's time to pull back the curtain
Starting point is 00:30:46 and reveal that in the year 2015 when we made this film, that was the current direction of filmmaking. A complicated series of transactions involving you going out shooting stock footage for other people, uploading it, selling it, buying their stock footage and constructing a movie from it. Truly the golden age of Californian filmmaking. It felt like the
Starting point is 00:31:07 derivatives market before the 08 crash. No one quite knew how any of this was supposed to make money or work. But it was working. For everyone involved, the thing kept ticking over because we had faith in it. It was just, it was, look, I'm going to go out and film a stream today. Cool, what's your
Starting point is 00:31:24 movie about? My movie is about race cars. Why are you filming a stream? i'm going to go out and film a stream today cool what's your movie about my movie is about race cars why are you filming a stream i'm going to sell that to a stock footage website and then buy with the money i make some race car footage it was it was a functional economy yeah it was and a lot of good movies got made that way every movie that's been made since the release and i think two months preceding the release of We Are Your Friends, especially in California, 80% stock footage. They didn't shoot that footage, and that's why I think in the upcoming Oscars every year, you're seeing more and more people going on stage to accept the awards. Are the Oscars such a foreign concept to you, Maximum Joseph,
Starting point is 00:31:59 that you forgot what they were called? They're not a foreign concept to me, okay? They're just something I'm not interested in. I don't care about awards. I'm not in it for the prestige. I'm in it for the love of filmmaking. I'm in it for the art. You're in it for the stock footage.
Starting point is 00:32:12 You're in it for the petrol vouchers. You're in it for the rhyming slogans. That's what guerrilla filmmaking is all about. Now, I would like to draw attention to the fact that the movie's still on, and right now we're dealing with two men. Zayce Fron and a white coloured from head to toe.
Starting point is 00:32:31 His call, not mine. All the costume departments, they were furious. You look like you're off. You've had enough. No, not quite. I'm just grabbing a beer from the beer fridge. Oh, a brewski. A cold one. Would you like a cold one? Yeah, I'll grab a cold one. Thanks, matey.
Starting point is 00:32:45 No worries, no walkers. Beauty foot. What are we dealing with here at Pills now? Oh, that's far more interesting than the film. Thing is, we've seen this film a couple of times already on account of the fact that we made it. A lot of people, when they ask about filmmaking, they say, how long does it take?
Starting point is 00:32:59 As long as it takes to shoot it? And for a long time, I'd say, yes, it's exactly how long it takes. And then someone talking about the editing process process i just thought it sort of all happened over the weeks afterwards in and of itself you just kind of put the footage in a room and then you came back to the room later and it just kind of arranged itself similar to a uh how do you say is it a flambe that you put in the oven for a little bit
Starting point is 00:33:25 and it just sort of rises by itself you don't have to a loaf of bread tell it to rise or you know show it how to rise or fill it with air
Starting point is 00:33:33 you don't pretty much you don't need to hire a so called professional to get in the oven and make the dough rise it's fucking self yeah which turns out
Starting point is 00:33:42 is exactly what you've got to do with the oh and the petrol vouchers involved with getting that process across the line. I mean, everyone was getting around on the cheap, but I tell you what,
Starting point is 00:33:51 they were not earning on arrival. Not at all. Now, this young man happens to be my son. This is Josh Oppenheimer. He was a little bit sensitive about us including a joke about him dressing like Hillary Clinton because when he was in junior high,
Starting point is 00:34:09 his nickname in kind of a cajoling and bullying sort of a way was Hillary Clinton. Yeah. That was based on the fact that his boyfriend in junior high was the president of the school council, so he got called Hillary Clinton, as you can well imagine. I remember speaking to him about it, and it did sound obviously not the way he told it,
Starting point is 00:34:26 he was the good guy, but he sort of brought it upon himself, I think. I mean, he would go to school dressed as Hillary Clinton every day for a term. That's correct, and he insisted on everyone calling him Hillary Clinton. So there was, there's a few layers. There's a few layers to what happened.
Starting point is 00:34:40 It's just such a specific thing to demand. You can imagine how people would get used to that oh day at the beach this was a fun day to shoot we all just got fucking ripped and went to the surf yeah and then we thought oh two weeks to the hand-in date we should probably film some of this so we got squirrel and we got zace fron in front of the camera and uh just said go basically that's right i scrawled a couple of notes down on a napkin you punched them up added some lines of dialogue and there we were uh i don't know if there's much more to tell you than that to be honest the lighting was just sensational we got there right on golden hour i thought you
Starting point is 00:35:20 said dialogue so i sort of got a... That was all improvised. I just got a big old bit of wood, just an ugly bit of wood. Right. And you coloured it, didn't you? Yeah, I coloured it in. We also actually, sadly, that day in memoriam, we lost one of our soundies. They were wading out into the ocean,
Starting point is 00:35:40 sort of looking back and laughing. I think they're on quite a lot of PCP, which he insisted he was taking for research purposes, but we assured him, you don't need to take PCP to research the film. We've already done that. But he pretty much wandered out past a few of the breakers
Starting point is 00:35:55 and got caught in a huge rip. And he's either alive or dead, but he's certainly not on speaking terms with any of us. Some say he's off recording the sound for movies on the coast of Australia. Have you ever heard of such a place? Yeah, I have. So in storytelling terms, we're sort of steering down the barrel of nothing still at this point. We have established that Zace Fron likes to DJ.
Starting point is 00:36:22 We've established that James Reid from The Feelers likes to sink piss. And we've established that Somaly is a very good-looking woman. And at that point, we were sort of like, well... We've done it all, haven't we? Surely that's a film. And that's when Jeff walked in and said, Lady and gentlemen, we need to have words. To his credit, that is the coolest thing,
Starting point is 00:36:44 the coolest entry The coolest entry That Jeff made In our entire time Working with him No calendar involved That day No wrist watch Lady and gentlemen
Starting point is 00:36:51 We need to talk You know Balls to the wall Business guy Yeah absolutely That guy Do you know what That guy wanted
Starting point is 00:36:58 Results Do you know what That guy wanted A film handed in That he had paid for And bless him He really put the fire Under him That's his job That's his prerogative He's his suit You know Do you know what that guy wanted? A film handed in that he had paid for. Bless him. He really put the fire under us. That's his job.
Starting point is 00:37:07 That's his prerogative. He's a suit. He's got to take care of the business end of things. He's not about the process. And I feel like if we'd learned that earlier. One thing about Jeff, circumcised. That is one thing about Jeff. And I feel like if we'd found out earlier in the process,
Starting point is 00:37:22 he didn't want to be a part of that process he just wanted to see results he's a results driven guy he wants a circumcised penis he doesn't want to attend the brisk you know he's that kind of dude I don't care how you do it I just want the foreskin off is it called bris or brisk did you call it a brisk I think I did call it a brisk yeah
Starting point is 00:37:39 is it not called a brisk in my family we always referred to it as a brisk no a brisk you make a brisk in my family it was we always referred to it as a brisk no a brisk you make a brisk you create ah well it's just another one of those confusing rhyming sayings that you sort of carry around with you everywhere you go one which may have been explored by these uh two jokers in new zealand who apparently were watching this film once or twice for a um a podcast i'd rather not get into that j Jesus Christ. That whole situation. The next person who I hear say the words podcast out loud to me
Starting point is 00:38:09 in this fucking town, I'm going to have their head on a pike. Yeah, well, I'm going to have their guts for garters. So between us. I'm going to rip off their arms and beat them to death with them. They'll just be a torso is what we're trying to say. That's all they'll be. But more or less, Jeff, after sort of, you know, doing his great entrance and going off his rag at us,
Starting point is 00:38:28 we wound up learning that we have to write another two-thirds of a movie, which was a huge undertaking. Big ask. Can I tell you something as well? The pressure was really on us, and I'll tell you why. We weren't getting paid in petrol vouchers. We were getting paid in millions of dollars to make a movie, and there's nothing that'll put the shits up you
Starting point is 00:38:50 like a seven-digit check from a studio demanding a feature film at the end of the process where you've just been skiving off going to the beach and clubs in LA. It's amazing. As soon as you get the money, for how good you feel and how much you enjoy it, as the deadline looms nearer and the
Starting point is 00:39:05 amount of money goes down it sort of you know it becomes worse and worse really doesn't it you sort of feel guilty that's not what i expected that is something in filmmaking i didn't expect sure as my name is megan oppenheimer co-writer of we are your friends i did not expect for there to be a situation wherein my mood goes down as i spend more money what i was expecting is we spend more money we get happier that's how i thought the relationship worked especially when you're spending your money on scratchies um which we did a lot yeah scratchies for the uninitiated is a form of lottery whereby you get a ticket that's got some panels on it and you scratch this crazy grey stuff off
Starting point is 00:39:51 and it shows you if you've got three Liberty Bells or not. And if you do, you win. And if you don't, which is what usually happens, you've just paid two bucks for nothing. Turns out the odds are really against you on those things. I mean, what even are the odds? I'll tell you what I found infuriating. When we were at our lowest ebb financially
Starting point is 00:40:09 and in terms of budget constraints, the fact that Zeiss Front would insist on us filming him putting huge amounts of cash in a shoebox, not even for the film. He just said, I need you to film this. He was getting some Baywatch uh it's what we call hook money so in the film industry when you're trying to lure a star to agree to a project you really want them you just start sending them cash in the mail lots of cash wads of cash called hook
Starting point is 00:40:37 money because you're trying to hook them into the project and uh he was receiving a lot of from was really you know flaunting there that. And that's fair enough. If you got it, flaunt it. That's what they say. But the idea that- We never said that on set, though, because it doesn't rhyme. No, we had to- We said, if you got it, hot it.
Starting point is 00:40:55 That's what we would say. A lot of people would correct us, but we'd say, don't correct us. Who's in charge here? Megan Oppenheimer and Maximum Joseph. That's us two. Anyway, the joke's on Zay's from because we wound up using his private footage for the movie anyway. And that's what you just saw there.
Starting point is 00:41:11 Now, if you're mapping a graph of a plot in a film, you know, you want to, you want to, you want to, you want to, what you want to do. Okay. Act one. Here we go. The intro. You want to start, you want to start low. Okay.
Starting point is 00:41:24 We did that. Then you want to get on A steep incline Add some story Absolutely Then come down Quite a bit At the end of the first act Which in this film
Starting point is 00:41:33 Has happened About now Okay So So we're adding things We're adding We're adding characters Plot
Starting point is 00:41:41 Struggles Things that characters want We've got DJsjs wanting to make music they don't need names don't worry about that uh we got dance explanations of genres and then we're coming we're coming we're coming down and and here we are at the end of act one uh with zeus frond taking a woman from behind in a dive bar. That's how I like to end an act in a film. It's called an act break. And yeah, it was exactly that. So everyone well, we caught on set. Let me tell you about how I learned how to
Starting point is 00:42:14 make films. I did a bunch of coke and then I watched at 10 times normal speed on YouTube a series of film tutorials. Because I thought that the best way to get the information in a timely manner was to get it at 10 times normal speed. But then I thought to myself, these videos are designed for a brain going at its maximum. So I need to increase that.
Starting point is 00:42:39 And the way that I'll do that is a lot of cocaine. I got to say that as someone who attended film school and spent a lot of cocaine i gotta say that that uh as someone who attended film school and spent a lot of money doing it um it doesn't hear it doesn't feel good to hear that you know because i felt when we were on set that i was leaning on you quite heavily as someone who knew what they were doing and had a really firm handle on the situation which is very unusual given you are just credited as a writer but to think of the amount of time and you know financial investment i put into learning how to make films you just took a bunch of cocaine and watched tutorials at 10 times speed i mean it sounds so much more efficient in terms of time as
Starting point is 00:43:17 well and do you know why it sounds more efficient it is yeah i guess you can do a lot of things um better on cocaine i think not everything mind you but a lot of things better on cocaine, I think. Not everything, mind you, but a lot of things. But do you know what is not better on cocaine? Cocaine. Highly addictive. Very Moorish. And a bit expensive.
Starting point is 00:43:35 Don't do it. I'm serious. Don't do it after you've already taken it. That's right. Once you're on the cocaine, stop doing it. You don't want to top up every now and then. That's fine. But just don't do more cocaine when you're on the cocaine. Now, this was another party scene, but we went for a slightly different vibe because we were using the same extras as before,
Starting point is 00:43:55 and they had sniffed what we were up to. So we had to adjust the tone of the party from a very happy, jovial affair, which we tricked them into the first time, to a more somber I'm not sure if this is a slave labour if we should be getting the unions involved type of situation which is the morose overtones which you can feel permeating off the screen. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:44:15 We went around the university, we rounded up the same people, we said guys, we know we promised you everything at our last party we're sorry we didn't execute, we've thrown another one, it's a wine and cheese affair. Come on over. It's our apology. And they said,
Starting point is 00:44:28 It's a way for us to say sorry to you. It's really important that you ignore all the cinema cameras that are around. And they said, Megan Oppenheimer and Maximum Joseph, the two people for whom I understand, you know, will be a film made.
Starting point is 00:44:41 It really feels like you're trying to put us in this film. And we said, Absolutely not. We're trying to apologize in in this film. And we said, absolutely not. We're trying to apologize in the form of a wine and cheese party. Have you never been apologized to before extras? And they said, yes. But they also said the fact that you're calling us extras suggests that we are in fact being used as extras on a film and not party guys at a party. To which I replied, where is your self-esteem?
Starting point is 00:45:04 Extra is when you're even more than the thing. Yeah. You are extra. You're all extras to me and you always will be. And miraculously, that persuaded all of them simultaneously to come back to the party. It was after I regaled them with a heartwarming tale of how my father would constantly call me an extra. That's how I was raised. Not a heartwarming tale.
Starting point is 00:45:23 It is a heartwarming tale because what he was saying is that I was so much that I was extra. He was calling you a burden, Megan. We shot this scene at night because we had one day to hand in the film. We were against the clock. We were against the calendar. Things were getting very tense indeed We'd run out of cash Petrol vouchers And most importantly, cocaine
Starting point is 00:45:52 So we took a film crew out at night In the dying hours of March 31st Just before April 1st If I remember rightly Which I think you do And we shot this scene Against the twinkling lights April 1st. April 1st, if I remember rightly. Which I think you do. And we shot this scene against the twinkling lights of LA.
Starting point is 00:46:13 Yeah. Beneath us. And it actually turned out pretty good, I think. Yeah. If you get past the fact that nearly all of it is out of focus, just in terms of coherence. Does anyone notice does anyone even notice that stuff i have found yes and the conversations i've had with my sort of i call them peers um they don't really call me a peer uh steven spielberg you know when i talk to them about filmmaking they say that is a that is tantamount to making a good film,
Starting point is 00:46:45 is trusting the audience is intelligent and that they'll try and piece together a story from whatever you give them. To which I said, if they're just going to try and do the work for us, why do we have to do the work? And that one left Spielberg, I stumped, I'll tell you. Hard man to stump. Tell you one decision we made correctly in the film project that was we are your friends and that was hiring uh to do our music same man who uh it came second to the guy who did get selected to do the soundtrack for train spotting yeah second place and you know what they say about second place first place loser and we love people in first place.
Starting point is 00:47:26 That's why this film. We want to be adjacent to that. We want to be as close as possible to first place as we can get. You can't always afford first place, but if you can't afford first place, get a first place loser. And that is second place. And I feel like he spent most of the time bitching about how he didn't get the train spotting job and really phoned it in.
Starting point is 00:47:43 He just had his Spotify discover on shuffle and then every third song yeah to be honest I mean we did get exactly what we needed
Starting point is 00:47:52 but it still feels like you know for what he was getting paid in petrol vouchers we didn't quite get our money's worth on that one he did fly to work
Starting point is 00:48:00 every day so I mean the petrol vouchers were really flowing thick and fast absolutely they don't get you far when you're making round robin trips to work every day so i mean the petrol vouchers were really flowing thick and fast absolutely they don't get you far when you're making round robin trips betwixt lax and scotland tell you that for free this we shot first this was the first scene that we laid down as they call it in the biz which i'm a part of myself megan oppenheimer uh this is at a music
Starting point is 00:48:23 festival in los ang, which we created. We spent quite a tremendous percentage of the budget putting this on, the majority of which was actually installing the portaloos, which you can see at the back there. We didn't want to repeat what happened on the last music video that we worked on together, which obviously we can't go into the details of. No, we absolutely will go into the details. Now, we got...
Starting point is 00:48:46 Okay, I'll ask you this question. For 500 people, how many portaloos do you think, this is for the listener at home, how many portapotties does that sound like to you? For 500 people. Because if you think the answer is anything less than five, it turns out you'll be wrong. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:02 Here's what happened. It turns out you'll be wrong. Yeah. Here's what happened. Eminem, Marshall Mathis himself, gets Joseph Maximum and myself. I was going by a different name then. Yeah. Yeah, you were.
Starting point is 00:49:21 To come in and do the music video for 8 Mile. And we said, we've got a great vision for this. We know exactly what it needs. He already had plans for the movie so it was kind of just going to play itself out. Here's some footage, it's essentially stock footage, my understanding is you've got experience with that, I just need you to kind of fill in gaps with me tell me what to do, tell me
Starting point is 00:49:38 where to go, what kind of backdrop you want for the rest of this to pad it in. We were like, fantastic. So we get a whole lot of extras. We load them all in there. And what do you know? Half a thousand people, five porta-potties. The place is stinking of human excretion in record time.
Starting point is 00:49:57 And I mean, I still have nightmares about that shoot. As well you should. We insisted on making all of the catering uh incredibly spicy food which i thought would just sort of add to the electric atmosphere of doing an eminem music video but what it turned out to be was a disaster situation particularly in light of the fact that we didn't pay as much as maybe we should have for the food and i tell you what some of that beef and fish had turned. I thought spice was the way you get around that.
Starting point is 00:50:29 You know, it kills bacteria. Embarrassingly for us, it turned out that the guy we were dealing with wasn't even Eminem. It turns out that the video for Lose Yourself was made way back when the song was released. What we had done was, you know, listened to and taken money from a white skinhead who wanted a video of a white skinhead rave uh but what he wound up getting was a lot of footage of a lot of white supremacists shitting themselves yeah and i mean can we really getting violent food poisoning can we be blamed can we listener to this audio commentary of We Are Your Friends
Starting point is 00:51:09 with myself Megan Oppenheimer co-writer of We Are Your Friends joined by Maximum Joseph co-writer and director can I ask you in all seriousness can we be blamed can the blame be laid at our feet for assuming when a white man with a bald head
Starting point is 00:51:24 comes up to us and asks us to make a music video that it's Eminem. Am I familiar with hip-hop music? No, I'm not. But I am a man of the cultural zeitgeist. I know that Marshall Mathers is a man who exists in the world. He specifically said he wanted to lose himself. I put two and two together. I then put a very very good value indian catering service together with 500 and by good value megan means cheap this thing was so cheap we pocketed a lot of cash let me tell you how cheap it was 500 people how much money how much money do you think it costs to provide catering for 500 people uh if i had to guess, I'd say, look, at least you're looking at $10 a head if we're doing dinner.
Starting point is 00:52:06 So sort of $5,000. Divided by two. $2,500. Divide that by two. $1,250. Divide that by two. $675. Divide that by two.
Starting point is 00:52:18 $387.50. Divide that by two. It's not a lot. It's about $162. $150. $150. Yeah. I was really hoping if we kept dividing by two
Starting point is 00:52:29 we'd get there but it didn't quite work out. No. $150 for 500 people. So we're dealing with about I want to say $0.35 a person.
Starting point is 00:52:39 We couldn't believe our ears. We said, how much is it going to cost for you to provide food and catering for all these people? He said, for you, today, this day, $150.
Starting point is 00:52:50 And we said, absolutely yes. Didn't ask any more questions. And I mean, I tell you what, it was kind of like we got tricked twice. In retrospect, oh, now this scene was a joy to film. We decided, because we had just been living it up on the first day of shooting in Las Vegas
Starting point is 00:53:09 at a music festival that we put on with Ample Portaloos, we decided we'll take the morning off, we'll take it nice and easy, we'll hire ourselves a whole floor of a hotel, and I want to get presidential suites for the cast and crew. I want, like, the works. I want everything. And the first thing we asked,
Starting point is 00:53:25 Zeiss, Fron, and Somerly, when they arrived on set, was have you guys improvised before? They said no. We said perfect. That's exactly what we're looking for. Eat that fucking food right now. And they said,
Starting point is 00:53:41 I don't know about that food. We said, trust us. We provided catering for up to 500 people before at the low low price of 150 we know what we're doing um so they did and i'll tell you what mixed reviews on that scene yeah film came out mixed reviews is how i would describe it and uh we actually got a review we've got a catering company on yelp and zomato uh trip advisor uh and in addition to to the mixed reviews on the scene we've got some pretty scathing reviews from uh zace front and somaly on the on the on the catering um obviously we can't tell you the the name of the catering company or their user handles on
Starting point is 00:54:22 yelp or zomato unless they'd be bombarded with do you make user handles on Yelp or Zomato, lest they be bombarded with Do you make friend requests on Yelp? I wouldn't know anymore. I've stayed off there after all that negative feedback. But let's just say the company rhymes with Arsed. Mood. Adering. That's right. Cast. Crude.
Starting point is 00:54:42 Bakery. It's for crude casts And it's baked goods And curries Now this is a classic red herring What we inserted here Because I had just watched A delightful BBC remake
Starting point is 00:54:54 Of the classic Sherlock Holmes I was watching a lot of Murder Mysteries at the time What you do is You put something in to trick the audience And then you reveal that you've tricked the audience. So what we did is we threw a text message at them which said, come over, big fight.
Starting point is 00:55:11 Now, this is after Zeiss, Fron and Somerle in the film have performed coitus. Well, we wanted to leave a question mark on that. Yes, we did. You're absolutely right. You never actually see the act No, and that was intentional But for some people, what some people notice
Starting point is 00:55:28 Which we didn't intend to happen Is they think that they've had sex What other people think is they haven't had sex But either way, what we've done is created tension And that's exactly what that twist that you were referring to just before That's what we were playing into with that So you throw them a text and then you reveal immediately that the red herring's wrong. Now it turns out in retrospect
Starting point is 00:55:48 I found out from reading a few of the reviews, you want to string a red herring along for a little bit longer than instantly revealing it's a red herring as it turns out. So if you insert something in the film that's going to be revealed to be a little trick on the audience, sometimes you want to string them along a little longer than 30 seconds.
Starting point is 00:56:04 But this is the beauty of filmmaking we live we learn we spend petrol vouchers we forge signatures wrap this thing up you know we we we have turned at this point in the writing process we turned the script in five times to say it was finished and jeff had said no it's not and we would say uh yes jeff it is we're finished writing on it i miss jeff and jeff would say what would jeff say jeff would say it's not done till we've got sun which was his way of saying unless the reviews are glowing uh i'm not accepting this again i feel like you've reappropriated or misappropriated one of jeff's sayings there he didn't say it's not done till we've got sun he said it's not done
Starting point is 00:56:44 till i fucking say it's done Now lock yourselves in that room and finish this script That doesn't rhyme at all Didn't seem relevant to Jeff at the time Sure didn't, should've Did you just cheers Jeff? Is it what that was? I always cheers Jeff
Starting point is 00:56:59 Even when he's not in the room Just a little cheers Jeff Jeff, the fresh maker. Oh, I tell you what. Zeiss Fron's running form was just so eye-capturing. We kept watching him doing laps around because he was getting ready for Baywatch while he was shooting.
Starting point is 00:57:14 And we were like, God damn, someone pick up a camera and film this boy. Because it is stunning to watch. Before the running scenes, we'd hire a psychologist who we'd get Zeiss Front to work with and they'd record, well not knowingly for Zeiss Front, but they'd have a two-hour conversation about his darkest fears, just sort of everything that he felt vulnerable about. And then what we'd do
Starting point is 00:57:37 is at the start of the scene, we'd play the recording back on a giant Bluetooth speaker and we'd hire Usain Bolt at no small cost to run behind Zeiss Front holding the speaker aloft. Zeiss Front, of course, not knowing it was Usain Bolt, he was dressed as the Grim Reaper and we'd put quite a lot of PCP in his water. But pretty much what you see, the speed at which he's running, that's not a coincidence. He was really hoofing it. No special effects, no anti-circus legs used in that particular shoot that was real fear that we
Starting point is 00:58:08 were harnessing and from the power of acting and pcp yeah and and the power of psychologists usain bolt there are a lot of moving parts that was the power of um we shot those scenes the days before we found out what you could do with CGI and found out about Andy Serkis. So we hired Andy Serkis after we'd shot those Zeiss front-running scenes. I would like to, for a moment, dive into where we are in the film. A moment of real drama and high finance,
Starting point is 00:58:39 which is something I was very set on getting into this script. Now we've got Tanya Romero, a woman at the end of her tether. I was very set on getting into this script. Now, we've got Tanya Romero, a woman at the end of her tether. She has been trying to negotiate with the bank through an intermediary called Gold Star Realty Solutions, stick full of diamonds, mouth full of concrete. It has not gone well. Why?
Starting point is 00:58:57 Because Gold Star Realty Solutions is a bit of a sham. It's a giant sham. And we base that on the company that my father made his fortunes with um which it turned out was he called it a triangle scheme uh but it was pyramid selling is what it was if you're gonna listen to the fbi he was selling pyramids to anyone who would lend them a couple of minutes just a chat a brief chat is all he needed just to get his foot in the door and then he'd say, listen, I've got a shape for you.
Starting point is 00:59:27 You don't look like a square to me. You look like a cool dude. And you know what cool dudes like, Byron? Fucking pyramids. And then usually the person would say, sir, can you please exit my property? Or alternatively, I'm pretty sure that's a triangle. He would say, this isn't a triangle, friend.
Starting point is 00:59:43 Who knows more about triangles? Than me. Pyramid Pete. His name was Pete. Anyway, I'd rather not dredge all that up right now. I feel like if we just telescoped that out a little bit, it'd be more comfortable with you. Then you've got the floor doing a bit of the heavy lifting.
Starting point is 00:59:58 I really don't mind. Are you good? For those of you listening along wondering what exactly, my good friend Megan Oppenheimer, co-writer of the film We Are Your Friends is referencing. Thank you. I'm having such a good time here with Maximum Joseph, co-writer and director of We Are Your Friends.
Starting point is 01:00:13 That's who I am. This is a director's commentary where we talk about the film, ostensibly. Ostensibly. What's going on? I I mean it's his birthday because you gotta have a birthday in every film very important it's like how you can't say the word Macbeth
Starting point is 01:00:34 in a theatre you gotta have a birthday in every movie every movie you ever see there will be at least the opportunity for someone to be having a birthday who's like an extra is that an hour there's one one hour the film's been running now okay we're just gonna take a quick um photo if you look i need to worry about that oh we'll keep keep going that's
Starting point is 01:00:54 the beauty of it so this pilsner's going down a treat probably not as well as james reed's several whiskeys that he's consumed already this evening while he's been out for his birthday dinner with Somaly, it has not gone well. We didn't know how to write a conflict relationship scene. It's hard to do, to create fake conflict. Chuck it in the too hard basket, mate, if you ask me. So sure as my name is Megan Oppenheimerheimer co-writer of we are your friends i
Starting point is 01:01:25 said i've got an idea that's exactly what you said i said what we'll do is we will simply insinuate there's been a fight which we won't need to script and we will just see unfold on screen the aftermath and that's exactly what we did and i think we got away with it well yeah i thought so too but again if you read the reviews, people... They didn't buy it? Not everyone. You know what shits me about critics? Oh, here we go.
Starting point is 01:01:52 They'll say anything to sell newspapers, won't they? They'll just say their entire opinion. They won't hold back. It doesn't matter how much cash you send them, how many petrol vouchers you put underneath the windshield wipers on their car. Oh, I hear you, Maximum. You know? I hear you.
Starting point is 01:02:08 And I don't know what to tell you, Megan, but I find it infuriating. One moment. Can I just say this, Megan? I think one person at a time are keeping the people updated. So phone down for you. Oh, I thought you'd already keep the people updated so phone down for you you tell i thought you'd already keep the people updated i apologize so what we decided to do after the birthday party scene is we went you know what let's go to a strip club it was actually zay's fron's idea and i hate to throw one of our cast members under the bus but i tell you what there's two things that guy likes
Starting point is 01:02:43 strip clubs and pretending he likes strip clubs because there were there was a lot of chatter flying around on set and every time the chatter would start he would say oh i feel like going to a strip club to look at boobies yeah it's out loud so everyone on set could hear it was like it was insecure about being perceived as cool and so i want to go look at boobies at a strip club those are the two things i like boobies for me please booby one and bo two things I like. Boobies for me, please. Boobie one and boobie two. We'd say those aren't individual things. You can just call them boobies like you were, Zach.
Starting point is 01:03:11 Anyway, that's neither here nor there. We were worried that this would look like a cheap storytelling tool to have Zace Fron, like the ignoramus he is, upload a photo of him and the woman who he's having an illicit affair with as his profile, sort of as her profile photo when she calls. And we were right to do that. Again, we got roasted for that. We got told off.
Starting point is 01:03:33 It's a weird thing to describe. You know, the job of a critic is not necessarily to tell off the filmmaker, but that certainly... Got me very hot under the collar. You know, eventually that's what it felt like. In a sexy way. Oh, really? That turned you on?
Starting point is 01:03:47 Absolutely. Wow. That's what I love about our friendship, is we finish each other's sentences. And also, I've always been fascinated by what arouses you, but that's entirely separate to what makes our friendship great. If anything, that's what threatens to derail the friendship. You've really taken a full journey in two sentences on your relationship between my sexual fetishes, huh?
Starting point is 01:04:08 Your relationship to my sexual fetishes. Fetishes? That feels like the plural of that word, doesn't it? Multiple fetishes? Fetishes? Fetish? Fetish. He, she, we fetish? You fetish? I fetish?
Starting point is 01:04:23 He, she fetishes? One fetish, two fetishes. He, she fetishes. One fetish, two fetishes. A grip of fetishes. A clutch of fetishes. It feels like the plural should be fetish, like fish. A bunch of fetish. Yeah, well, that was one of your sayings. You'd say, indulge your fetish.
Starting point is 01:04:40 Eat three fish. I did say that all the time. That's not a fetish. That's a dietary concern. It's a taste you've got. You like the taste. I don't know, actually. Can you eat too many fish?
Starting point is 01:04:52 Oh, now I'm so glad you brought this up. I don't mean ecologically. I mean in terms of diet. Oh, look, absolutely. There is such a thing as too much fish. You know what tuna's got a lot of in it? Mercury. And is mercury good? good no it's bad
Starting point is 01:05:06 mercury is very bad for you and tuna they love it they eat it up did tuna have a diet of metal uh well that particular one they didn't really ask for it but thing is when we keep throwing things in the ocean those fish will keep eating it they'll eat anything because they have to you'd think if they wouldn't join the mercury they they'd write a letter saying, change the menu. That's what you would assume, unless you remember that fish have neither communicative abilities nor cognition. Laminators.
Starting point is 01:05:36 That's your problem. It's also why they don't masturbate. They always write it, but then the paper gets wet. Yeah. How much knowledge? If we dropped a laminator in the ocean, we could take care of this problem. I tried doing that once.
Starting point is 01:05:49 Then the fish could finally communicate with us. No, I'll tell you what happened when I dropped the laminator in there. I electrocuted a lot of fish. Did you eat them? Short-circuited, and they just floated to the surface belly up. They floated to the circus surface. Andy Circus was there in the boat with me at the time, and he just scooped them up and ate them whole like gollum.
Starting point is 01:06:05 Actually, no, I remember this story. If I remember correctly, you sold all that fish to a sushi restaurant in the valley, didn't you? Half. It was half and half
Starting point is 01:06:12 Andy Serkis and sushi restaurant in the valley. But the thing is about electrocuted fish, a lot of people have qualms about it. It's good to eat.
Starting point is 01:06:19 It's good to go. And it's kind of pre-cooked in a way. Yeah, it is. You don't need to cook that at all. Sushimi. Electric sushimi. None of you asked the chefs we've worked with.
Starting point is 01:06:28 That's also the name of a club which Maximum Joseph and I co-opened at the conclusion of this film, Electric Sushimi, which was briefly lived, but we had a good time doing it. We had a really good time doing it. Let me lay on you guys what we would play. A lot of funk. Okay, funk from all countries. We played a lot of Japanese
Starting point is 01:06:52 hip-hop. I think where we went wrong was the capacity of the establishment, which was seven people at a time, which, as it turns out, did not become commercially viable. It also created a lot of licensing problems, fire exits. Health and safety were climbing up our arsehole pretty much.
Starting point is 01:07:10 There was so much red tape around it. So have you been back there recently? Yeah. The new owners reopened it. What's it called again now? They renamed it? It's called Janitor's Closet. Janitor's Closet.
Starting point is 01:07:21 And they run it pretty much, it does what it says on the tin. There's a lot of cleaning equipment in there. Still in the middle of the same high school. Hey, what are you good for? You want some ammonium? All yours. We've got that. We'll get you a nice shot glass of that.
Starting point is 01:07:33 I tell you, that's how you'd think the janitors would treat you, but they don't even treat you like customers. They say stuff like, get out of my closet. Love it. And stop drinking all that ammonium. True to form. I like to get wrapped up in the fantasy. It's very hipster.
Starting point is 01:07:46 It's very detailed. It's good. Hey, now, this bit of the film was fun, wasn't it? This is when the boys have gained some real estate for themselves, a little piece of the kingdom for themselves. And to let them know what that felt like, we bought this house on their behalf. And we said, throw a big party.
Starting point is 01:08:04 We pretty much can't get anyone around anymore for whatever reason. Just ask your friends. Burned a lot of bridges, dudes. And they said, sure thing. Is that it? And we said, yeah, yeah, just don't let them know they're going to be filmed. And before you knew it, this place was crawling with, you know, attractive young Los Angeles types.
Starting point is 01:08:26 They were Los Angeles too. This party got out of hand, but boy, was it fun. Look, we're not legally in a position to say this, but I feel like- But let me say this. We invited six midgets and only four midgets left the party alive. You do the math.
Starting point is 01:08:43 Sorry, little people. Thank you. You do the math. Sorry. Megan. Little people. Thank you. Yeah, we unfortunately wound up killing four little people. Two. Well, yeah. Two died at the party and then four threatened to blab, so we had to kill.
Starting point is 01:09:02 Another half of those? Four. So the two that we killed at the party... We didn't kill them, they just died incidentally. And then half of the ones that threatened to blab, but half we let live. Is that your recollection of how this went down? Six little people came to the party.
Starting point is 01:09:20 Six little people came to the party. Two of them died at the party. Two died. And then the four others threatened to blab, so we had to equalize them. Yeah, but as I mentioned earlier, four little people were fought. No, wait.
Starting point is 01:09:33 Yeah, four. Wait. Yeah, you're right. We didn't kill any more little people. They were murdered. This is why Maximum Joseph and I have such a good working relationship. Because we finish each other's sentences. No, not at all.
Starting point is 01:09:45 Because we've got a complimentary set of skills and recollections about parties that we both were at. I've always thought that's what makes us good friends. I never really thought that would make us good colleagues. But it turns out it does both. This was a rough fucking morning. I'll tell you what. This was filmed on a GoPro, which I had the presence of mind to install as the party was sort of experiencing its dying breath. The last two lines of cocaine we had left ran around the house installing GoPros in every which angle you could possibly imagine.
Starting point is 01:10:13 Hit record on all of them and then passed out, almost drowned in the pool because I had my feet in there when I fell asleep. sleep and um luckily the gopros really came through for us because when the dudes woke up in the morning uh we managed to capture their responses not great actors but very good at being themselves hung over after an actual party yeah and that's what we're seeing unfold right now sadly the actor playing skrill did i mean mean, he passed away. He's no longer with us. Yeah. We didn't let the other actors know. We thought it would impact their ability to focus,
Starting point is 01:10:52 their ability to remain professional. And whether or not that's disrespectful to their craft, I don't know. But anyway, we told them that he was just going method for a few hours. And just join him, guys. Just jump in the pool. The water's fine.
Starting point is 01:11:06 We've got a lot of GoPros going. They've got limited battery, so let's just roll. Let's keep rolling on this. Let's keep going. Let's keep rolling on this. Keep rolling on this. All of this real footage, all shot on GoPros. The four little people who survived the party,
Starting point is 01:11:19 we gave them, well, you gave them, most certainly Megan the GoPro, so they're all running around capturing this footage. Yeah, and great angles. That's why we've got a lot of crouching happening from our main actors as well. Sort of some height issues when you've got the cameras running at that angle. I tell you what, though, this next scene was emotionally challenging for me because I've been to a funeral before and we were shooting a funeral
Starting point is 01:11:44 and I didn't like that and i didn't like that yeah i don't like pretend no and it was i think it was also the lying you know we had zayas from jahid and um the the young actor who's i forget his name it's not johnny depp no no no well that was the character he was playing but i've got no idea what i didn't know his name the whole time we were filming wasn't that embarrassing too yeah it The amount of times that it was a lot of bro, bro, bro, brun, bruh, brun, dude, brie? Yeah, you would always insist on using variations of bee, which I think sort of gave up the goat.
Starting point is 01:12:20 But, you know, you can say these guys aren't good actors, but for what it's worth, they believed that that was a false funeral, and I thought they played it pretty straight pretty well. And I think that just speaks volumes about us as filmmakers. And I tell you what, sure as my name is Megan Oppenheimer, co-writer of We Are Your Friends,
Starting point is 01:12:36 I may have overstepped the bounds. Can I ask you a question, Megan? Sure. Did you change your name by... There have been rumours going around. Did you change your name by There have been rumours going around Did you change your name by Deedpole From Megan Oppenheimer To Megan Oppenheimer
Starting point is 01:12:50 Co-writer of We Are Your Friends Absolutely not, it's a title not a name But it is one that I insist Upon reminding people It's the full version of my name now that I changed it From Deedpole, at Deedpole With regard to my old name It's my new name. The answer's yes.
Starting point is 01:13:07 Thank you for your honesty. Ah, boy. This was, this scene, our boys are at their lowest ebb. They're next to an empty pool, which is a metaphor for the emptiness of life when a friend departs you.
Starting point is 01:13:22 In this case, because of a tragic death at a party. So the tension's afraid, relationships are strained, they're at each other's throats. And this is a scene that I wrote based on an experience I had as a child where at, tragically, a birthday party of a friend of mine
Starting point is 01:13:45 who was turning nine years old, one of the attendees died at the birthday party. And then we all started blaming each other. Until the cops showed up and blamed... The parents, whose fault it legally was. Undoubtedly. Pretty dark chapter in my life, but let me say this before we move on.
Starting point is 01:14:11 That was just also for the legal buffs out there. That was the last recorded version. That was before the PC Brigade made Catch the Mongoose illegal everywhere. The party game Catch the Mongoose, where parents would release a mongoose at a child's birthday party, and the birthday girl or boy would get the first shot at catching it. This is what law is all about.
Starting point is 01:14:34 You've got to test the waters. You've got to figure stuff out. You've got to experiment so that we know what to make illegal in the future. Mongoose don't mix with kids. Now we know. We didn't know that before. We tried it. It turns out it doesn't. I say it was the last as though there was a... It's just a shame that legal culpability has to be added to what is essentially a social experiment.
Starting point is 01:14:56 It's a nanny state. It's not even a social experiment. It's just a personal family event for those who attend. Hey, guess what kids do every now and then? Sometimes they pass away. It's a part of life. Guess what mongoose do sometimes? They attack the person who's trying to touch them. What do you expect? It's a wild mongoose. This bit of the film is
Starting point is 01:15:17 what I like to call Act 2. This is the meat and potatoes of the film because it's in the middle. So Act 1 finished all that time ago and all that stuff was just intermission and now this is Act 2 starting? No, no. We're kind of almost towards the end of Act 2
Starting point is 01:15:34 now. I just haven't quite had an opportunity amongst all of our chat about parties and tragedy to just remind us of where we are in the film. Also, interesting tidbit, James Riefenfield is there. He says, oh, great, it's my favorite person. That's not true.
Starting point is 01:15:50 With the characters, in relation to the characters, Zicoli's not his favorite person at all right now. The amount of times I had to stop you putting that on IMDB because you thought people didn't understand sarcasm. I'm a writer, Maximum Joseph. I understand people. I understand how they talk unless i tell someone i'm not sure they get it so the audience got it trust me loud and clear
Starting point is 01:16:09 we all got it ah so zeus fron looking great as always read from the feelers and a heavy knit sweater looking great he insisted on wearing that cardigan god damn i wish i had you know he spent 480 on that cardigan yeah he bought it on a whim yeah he said in a duty-free shop it's entirely merino oh that's so good 100 merino it's which is not usually a chunky knit it's so much merino. A lot of sheep died, if I understand how wool gets collected correctly. A lot of sheep died. That's how you shear a sheep.
Starting point is 01:16:49 You kill it first. You cut it off with scissors. So what you want in a second act in a film, I'm going to throw a little bit of script writing at you now. We've had Headyady heights which is the party we've had lows immediately afterwards which is all right squirrel dying um now we want to let people see a break of sunlight through the clouds we want to have a ray of hope a carrot dangled in front of
Starting point is 01:17:20 our audience that things despite the fact that they're pretty bad at the moment, might improve before we get to the end. Yeah. And that's why we have Zeiss Fron traveling to his mentor and friend that he got offside by having sex with his girlfriend, maybe, James Reed from The Feelers, to tie up these loose ends, to apologize, to move us forward into the third act of the film. And Jeff's not going to like us revealing this, but we crowdsourced a lot of the plot points
Starting point is 01:17:54 that we used in this part of the film. Yeah, ever heard of a website called Reddit? I sure have. And it has a system of up and down votes. So we were just chucking plot points up there. No context, nothing. Our subreddit, we are your friends, pick a path, and people would just determine what turn or twist would happen next.
Starting point is 01:18:17 It's pretty great. Plus, we were using other people to write the potential plot points, so the whole thing was outsourced. It was a really great way of getting work done can i say this also the cafe we shot at here it's called romancing the bean it's in burbank california yeah and i have walked past this place so many times never been in and i don't know what sort of made me think to do it but i just i've wrote some reviews online of it just sort of assessing what i imagine its service would be like.
Starting point is 01:18:46 Don't know why anyone would find that interesting. Who directed this scene if you weren't in there? That was in my own time. I directed this scene. Don't worry about that. No, wait a minute. I will worry about this. You said that you've never been to the cafe. I've never been inside it. Oh, I see. This is an exterior shot. For those of you not watching the
Starting point is 01:19:02 movie along at home, we're actually outside of the cafe. Inside the cafe? i don't know who directed those scenes okay so zeus fron is inside at some points yeah so that could have been anyone huh yeah that was just i just found that on a stock footage website again couldn't believe my luck it all synced up perfectly with the costuming and whatnot and in terms of dialogue it also almost makes perfect sense now here's some good stock footage there's a reason why half of these shots, you can only see Zeiss Fron from behind, because it isn't Zeiss Fron.
Starting point is 01:19:30 It's a stock actor. A stocky stock actor. So we changed the screen to look like it was his phone dying, but what it actually was was a text from someone we'd saved in his phone as the Grim Reaper saying, you're next. And what you can't see in all these shots, what we had just off screen,
Starting point is 01:19:46 was Usain Bolt not chasing him at full speed, but just sort of holding the speaker aloft so that he'd occasionally catch whispers of it. But he wasn't quite sure what was happening. And he had every right not to. I mean, you know, again, we'd given him a lot of PCP. All these scenes where he's running, you can bet your bottom dial,
Starting point is 01:20:04 this guy is absolutely loaded on PCP. Along with our sound guy, obviously, who, as I mentioned earlier, may or may not still be alive. We lost a lot of good people on set on this film. Too many, if I'm being honest. I've worked on a lot of film sets. I've worked on a lot of music videos.
Starting point is 01:20:22 Never in my life have I seen such bloodshed and needless loss of life than the We Are Your Friends. I'll tell you what, it was a relief to me when you told me that you sort of had quite a good open area on a hill atop the valley where you knew you could hide a few bodies. Sometimes it's just lovely to hear you talk for an extended period, you know?
Starting point is 01:20:41 It's just so nice to just just sit back watch the film that we made together and just listen to you talk about it reminisce yeah absolutely you know
Starting point is 01:20:53 you know what I'm saying Max oh I know you on board you don't need to worry about me I know do you know though do you know what I'm saying
Starting point is 01:21:00 yeah let me tell you this I'll tell you a little story about what happened when we were filming in Zace Fran's actual bedroom which is where this was shot on this particular uh sunny afternoon in los angeles california now he had been researching for the role he was about to inherit in uh baywatch we had been getting all that fabulous hook money and he was listening to that iconic yeah let this be a lesson to you hook money salespeople.
Starting point is 01:21:25 It works, okay? When you start sending hook money to superstars... Be careful. They're going to work on your projects. Yeah, be careful if they're working on other things at the time as well because he was very distracted. What we were shooting just then with his headphones on, with him grooving along to his laptop,
Starting point is 01:21:39 that was the iconic intro to the 90s smash hit series Baywatch. Some people stand in the darkness, afraid to step into the light. It was spoken word as well, obviously. We didn't play in the original theme song. Sometimes you need to have somebody to remember that hope is in sight. Oh, don't you worry.
Starting point is 01:22:06 It's going to be all right. And that's, I think, why Megan and myself work so well together. As we finish. Because I'm always ready. I won't let you out of my sight. Each other's sentences. I'll be ready. I'll be ready. I'll be ready.
Starting point is 01:22:25 I thought it was there. Oh, maybe it is. Nah. No, that makes way more sense because the next line is don't you fear. And that rhymes with there. Yeah, but ready and fear. Different syllables. Similar.
Starting point is 01:22:39 Dang. Anyway, we're building to a crescendo now. That's what I love about us working together. We finish each other's sentences Songs that we sing The lyrics are different But often we get it right Not always
Starting point is 01:22:50 Certainly Among You know in the muck and the mire Stock footage Act 3 at this point Stock footage God damn we were rescued by stock footage Weren't we
Starting point is 01:22:58 I'll tell you what is a Very interesting tidbit to consider As you're watching along with us For this director's commentary Is that the people you're about to see At the summer fest music festival uh after we'd turned our backs on them for the house party scene we said to the guys could you ask the same people back for the music festival they said are you kidding at least three people died at that party no one's coming back we said well don't worry we've got just the thing we went back to the same dormitory that we'd
Starting point is 01:23:23 got our extras from for the previous two party scenes, and we said, guys, we know we messed you around before. Yeah. But please, we're begging you, come to this make-up party. It's going to be a great time. We're throwing it in a car park. Yep. We promise there's going to be enough water, enough catering.
Starting point is 01:23:39 We've learned a lot in our years. Do you know what we've got plenty of? Portaloos. Now, for everybody, one-to-one ratio. Yeah. There's 6,000 Portaloos waiting for you, along with the greatest catering anyone's ever seen from a cut-price Indian dealer.
Starting point is 01:23:55 And what we wound up with was more Portaloos in the crowd than people. So a lot of the people, and I'm using inverted commas here in the studio, a lot of the people, and I'm using inverted commas here in the studio, a lot of the people you see are actually- Are they racist? No, are actually portaloos that we painted bodies onto. Okay. Okay. Now that was a challenge to fix in post.
Starting point is 01:24:19 Yeah, they said it would have been easier if we hadn't painted all over the green portaloos because they could have just turned them into people themselves. But we insisted we were trying to help. The sensational thing about this scene is when you see it come up, you know that the end is in sight. Because I tell you what, myself, Megan Oppenheimer, co-writer of We Are Your Friends, and my friend here, Maximum Joseph, co-writer and director of We Are Your Friends. We finish each other's sentences.
Starting point is 01:24:45 We've seen this film once or twice. I'll tell you that for free. And as soon as we're in the flea market, the back of an American apparel, RIP, pour some out for our fallen homie, we know that the end is in sight. Stock footage. Stock footage.
Starting point is 01:25:04 We know that the movie is in sight. Stock footage. Stock footage. We know that the movie which we have painstakingly put together through blood, sweat, tears, and too many deceased little people, we're finally drawing to a close. This whole thing's been worth it. We're getting to our conclusion. That's how we felt about the journey. When we presented it that way to Jeff, can I tell you this? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:26 Jeff said, I could give two flying fucks about the journey. What about the movie? We said, Jeff, if you can't appreciate the amount of heavy lifting we've just got stock footage to do in place of the awful cast and crew
Starting point is 01:25:40 that we assembled for this movie making project, then you aren't about the journey at all and he said fucking exactly i'm about the end result this is a hot mess yeah he wasn't happy so what did we do megan we hired andy circus again to play every single crowd member of this last scene it took the remaining total of our petrol vouchers, and he did an incredible job. He was creating such a varied array of concert goers, it boggled the mind that it was all coming from one man's brain. Incredible.
Starting point is 01:26:13 You know, without context of the larger film itself, what Andy Serkis did is Oscar-worthy undoubtedly. However, we learned that was a huge misuse of time and resources because the problems mostly lied with everything we'd gone into working together on before. All of the movie preceding this scene, where Andy Serkis is a scene stealer, if I need to get credit for his hard work.
Starting point is 01:26:38 It doesn't build to anything and it doesn't arrive anywhere. It's a train going around in circles isn't it there's no stop but there's also no start and that is why we made the movie it's a metaphor for life life doesn't really have clean beginnings and endings and lessons and good people and morals and things resolving and the universe rewarding villains with bad outcomes and heroes with good outcomes it's just a hot mess and that's what we were trying to capture in celluloid until we were stripped of our budget to film this in film and had to use digital yeah but that was the message we were trying to put out there
Starting point is 01:27:16 this film is reflective of the fact that nothing makes sense the universe owes us nothing There is no rhyme or reason Nihilism is absolute And there are no consequences Through our actions Absolutely And when people say If that's what you wanted to make a movie about Why didn't you make a good movie about that Instead of a bad movie about nothing
Starting point is 01:27:38 We said because of that question What you just said to us That's exactly why we did what we did Poindexter And you push them over And what you've said to us that's exactly why we did what we did point dexter yeah and you push them over and what you've done before you push them over is cleverly put a friend of yours to crouch behind them behind them so they'll fall right over yeah are we ever going to be better than this and the answer is no that's i mean that this is the central thesis of the film are we ever going to be better than this what is better seems unlikely what is, this is the central thesis of the film. Are we ever going to be better than this?
Starting point is 01:28:06 What is better? Seems unlikely. What is this? This is so nonspecific, deliberately so, that this is a nonsensical question. It's a non sequitur. Are we ever going to be better than this? Might as well be.
Starting point is 01:28:19 Are we ever going to be better than what? That's why I wrote it that way, baby. I know, you did. You get it. You get it. You get it. We both get it. Oh, we get it. Pioneer DJ. I know you did. You get it. You get it. You get it. We both get it. Oh, we get it.
Starting point is 01:28:26 Pioneer DJ. Yeah, she shouted to Pioneer. We promised them everything and gave them very little. We gave them a lot of stock footage. Yeah, but as they said, you know, at the time, certainly in court, we don't want stock footage.
Starting point is 01:28:41 We want petrol vouchers. But we'd, I mean, you know, as we've discussed earlier, we'd already given them all away. They were all gone. They'd evaporated like so much petrol. Stock footage. Stock footage.
Starting point is 01:28:53 Stock footage. Stock footage. Stock footage. Stock footage. Stock footage. Stock footage. Stock footage. Stock footage.
Starting point is 01:29:02 This is not stock footage. This is, we filmed, ah, that one's stock footage. That Burger King crown, stock footage This is We filmed Nah that one's stock footage That Burger King crown Stock footage Yeah Now this voiceover We had to get Zace Fron to record
Starting point is 01:29:12 In an ADR booth At the time He wasn't speaking with us So we got a Zace Fron voice lookalikey Can you imagine How embarrassing it is When you have to
Starting point is 01:29:20 Hit that into Google A lot of Do you mean this suggestions? No, I know what a Zeiss Fron voice lookalike he is and that's exactly what we got. Stock, that's stock as well. That one's stock. Oh no, that one we found.
Starting point is 01:29:33 In the same way that original members of the band The Doors said they couldn't distinguish Jim Morrison's singing voice from Val Kilmer's after the movie The Doors, a lot of Zeiss Fron's closest friends when played this audio footage didn't correct us to say, hey a lot of Zac Efron's closest friends, when played this audio footage, didn't correct us to say, hey, is that Zac Efron? They mostly said... I mean, why haven't we been talking more about that
Starting point is 01:29:52 on this director's commentary of We Are Your Friends? Val Kilmer's conviction and dedication to achieving the exact tonal reference and vocal range of Jim Morrison, who was a man who was like a once in a generation voice, for an actor to go yep, I'll emulate that and then to actually do it to a
Starting point is 01:30:14 point where one of the Doors producers basically broke down in tears when he heard a recording I mean, like I mean, why is Val Kilmer not a king of some sort? Why are we not talking is Val Kilmer not a king of some sort? Why are we not talking about Val Kilmer all of the time? I think Val Kilmer got really excited after he did that.
Starting point is 01:30:33 He was a Batman, wasn't he? Yeah. I didn't direct that one. I've done some directing in my time in addition to writing. You haven't directed any Batmans. No, no. So you don't need to specify you didn't direct that specific Batman. No, no, no. I was just asking, was he a Batman? I haven't directed any Batmans So you don't need to specify you didn't direct that specific Batman No, no, no, I was just asking, was he a Batman?
Starting point is 01:30:48 I haven't directed any Batmans You don't need to bloody remind me I haven't directed any Batmans Oh, and that's the movie So this concludes our detailed retelling There's your name in bright lights I wish And there's me Our names together
Starting point is 01:31:04 Hey, it's really good to see you Megan oh it's so good to see you again Maximum oh cool cool
Starting point is 01:31:15 Maximum Joseph thank you thank you so much so I mean I hope everyone's got a real deep dive into the film I hope we've
Starting point is 01:31:23 got a lot of fans we are your friends who have managed to extract a lot of fans of We Are Your Friends who have managed to extract a lot more value out of surely saying the thing 20, 30, 40 times. I think we added a lot of value to that film. And I tell you what we chucked in here. We took a little leaf out of Marvel's book, and we went, you know what?
Starting point is 01:31:38 We're going to chuck some more story in the credits. Yeah. So that's coming up. There's still a lawsuit pending with Marvel on account of what we did in these credits. Yeah. So that's coming up. There's still a lawsuit pending with Marvel on account of what we did in these credits. And we sort of then brought up the idea of Rush Hour maybe doing it first. So now Rush Hour's embroiled in it too.
Starting point is 01:31:54 Of course, everyone remember the outtakes from the film Rush Hour. I believe it was in Rush Hour 2 when one of the stunts... Hold on for a second. I really feel like you're crossing some streams now, Maximum. We're talking about inserting plot, not outtakes. Outtakes are plot. Or they are in this movie, in this movie alone. But this is what I was referring to.
Starting point is 01:32:16 Yeah, and a lot of people think that all of the cash... Tanya Romero. All of the cash that Zeiss Forum was putting in that shoebox is in that shoebox. That's not true. It's a dog shit. It's a dog shit. It's a dog shit, that's right. But fucking Jeff might as well take it out.
Starting point is 01:32:30 God damn it, Jeff. He's a real bus kill. I mean, to be honest, the whole movie was leading up to that one killer gag of here's a woman who's trying her hardest to raise a kid by herself. She's been at the mercy of the 2008 global financial crisis is about to get her house revoked due to the bank being a bunch of cunts oh i'm so sorry and uh and and and and
Starting point is 01:32:51 what do we call it a dog shit no no no no no no what do we call it the aristocrats you know it's like a big old build-up and then a release and the release was the dog shit and then jeff made us take it out anyway look all of that to say seagull for the original score we thank you pyramid bring in the schemes with cole's music thank you so much them jeans who was the pool party set and dj technical advisor love your work yeah additional dj mixes done by seagullgel were just top notch a big shout out to Studio Canal
Starting point is 01:33:28 for giving us all the money whose line is it anyway for all of those petrol vouchers Shannon Kemp on the art direction you had a lot of dicks
Starting point is 01:33:36 in this movie and I'll never forgive you for it Siobhan O'Brien set decorator you were in on the penises too I don't think I've found
Starting point is 01:33:44 all of them yet. If you're going to just keep reading, Megan, do you mind if I go and take a piss? Absolutely. You do what you need to do. Just make sure that you take a piss. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing. Kelly Stevens, additional second director.
Starting point is 01:34:02 Isn't that a funny term of art that we've got in the filmmaking business? I they used to be called fourth but then we went you know it's funnier second second um credits were originated by the marx brothers who got so many people involved in their skits who you couldn't see on film that demanded to be acknowledged, that they had to come up with an innovative solution. And the first man's name was Joseph Credit, which is where we take the term from.
Starting point is 01:34:38 Joseph Credit worked with the Marx Brothers, predominantly setting up the safety protocols to make sure that they wouldn't kill themselves when a house would fall in on them and they'd otherwise injure themselves. And we owe a lot to Mr. Credit. And to his credit, he really kicked a lot of good
Starting point is 01:34:54 kind of safety procedures off in the film industry. We owe a lot to him. And I would also additionally like to thank Little Rome, who did the post-production services uh on this film which in our particular case involved a lot of cutting together of stock footage that we purchased on the fly um a lot of songs were used in the making of this film and from the bottom of my heart i can't express what a mediocre job our sound guy did uh who we got in on the soundtracking who we got from scotland every single day hardly seems worth it in retrospect now that soundtrack
Starting point is 01:35:32 by the way is available nowhere because we didn't bother putting it out as an album because according to every review we got of an early cut of the film the song's really stinking up the joint and the licensing alone would have just bankrupted the rest of the petrol vouchers we had so decided against it some people will tell you interscope records put out the soundtrack there's a fucking lie uh don't believe those people so pioneer dj summerfest is credited uh we thought we'd give them a shout out because we'd used that as a name check so many times. We thought we'd better chuck them in the credits lest we'd be sued.
Starting point is 01:36:09 YouTube is another... I'm going to get out of here. And you know what? I'm done. See you later. Very well. See you later, Megan. I'm going to...
Starting point is 01:36:19 Actually, I think we should both get out of here and bring in our friends and yours. Well, not our friends. Almost our arch nemesis. Plural of nemesis. Please welcome to the microphones the shitheads themselves, Tim Batt and Guy Montgomery. Ow! This movie's still fine.
Starting point is 01:36:39 It's a cold little bastard. One of them dies. That guy's a squirrel. One of them's a hottie. His name is Jay. One of them looks like Johnny Depp a squirrel. One of them's a hothead, his name is Jay. One of them looks like Johnny Depp, and his name is Johnny Depp. Classic Maximum Joseph. Agree!
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