The Worst Idea Of All Time - Domore 2: Stubbins

Episode Date: March 22, 2020

Turns out getting high before the film makes it better. We discuss two amazing characters, Jeff (Geoff?) and the dancing monkey. Tim unveils an incredible theory tying a family tree together and Guy s...hares disappointingly missing parts in the film that ARE in the trailer. The wastage of a ship has really captured the boys' imagination. Guy explores how it is that everyone agrees this is bad. Tim digs into the not-so-hidden-colonial themes. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 We have no choice but to embark on this perilous journey. the guts. This is the main artery of them all. That's right. We've got people now and if you're a Patreon supporter you'll be able to see that because this video is for you. That eye wink to the camera. Yeah, nice. So I've got to say that second screening flew by. All things considered, I thought that was going to really drag. We went to a different cinema, same size, 240
Starting point is 00:00:40 seats. That's right. Us plus eight other cinema goers and we watched more or less the same story unfurled in front of us. It would be hard to argue with that. Albeit with a little bit more panache, a little bit more pizzazz. I
Starting point is 00:00:55 am surprised to report, I think I enjoyed it more. I don't know why. Well, we got kind of high for it. Yeah, I think that would have been doing a little bit of the heavy lifting, undoubtedly. Probably helped a little bit. There were more laughs.
Starting point is 00:01:08 There was more clarity. I could see the through lines. I also found out in between watching and coming down here, this is a movie that took either 19 or 21 reshoot days because early tests show that the comedy wasn't working. Oh, I see. I can understand that, and I'm basing that statement on one particular attempt, which is the... It's going to keep me up tonight, I know it.
Starting point is 00:01:32 The scene where Doodlittle's talking to the stick insect, he's getting the hot word because it's been planted as a spy in the Queen's room to keep an eye on things. And then he, for no reason in in particular reveals that Sticky, like all leaf insects I think he says, speaks in eight syllable sentences. And then proceeds to give a sentence that has seven syllables.
Starting point is 00:01:53 He does an eight syllable sentence. And then quickly followed by a seven syllable sentence. And he says wait there was only seven syllables. And then goes back and adds another like ten syllables. I don't know what's happening there. It's not a joke. It's just something that's like incongruent.
Starting point is 00:02:10 It's interesting because I feel like it's, I don't know if that was in the reshoot, but it's like. You remember the sand wedge? Yes, is this where you are with it? That is what it is for me. It's like, is this a joke? I don't think it qualifies as one. I'm not sure what it is if it isn't a joke.
Starting point is 00:02:24 It's a mistake. I think it's a genuine error that you've got just left in the movie because it's not designed to be seen more than once they didn't think about it it is one of those things where i did see it the first time and i just didn't have the confidence to kind of yeah throw it around and it doesn't i mean i highly confuse i agree it doesn't you know what to make of it like what is it? Because he just says it, and then they move on. Well, this is the thing. I think it's one of the, like, for all of the extra days shooting they did to get comedy,
Starting point is 00:02:53 I feel like they still used a lot of the footage that they had, and a lot of it didn't quite work. We referenced in the previous episode scenes that last for about 10 seconds that then amount to when they go to the island and they break in, and there's like a scene of him... You think you're going to get The Rock with Sean Connery. They kind of set it up for this caper where you're going to see Robert Downey Jr. You see him for five seconds scaling a building.
Starting point is 00:03:13 He puts his hand on like a gargoyle-type sculpture. The thing breaks off, he almost dies, and then suddenly we're just inside the gates. Absolutely. And there's no need for it to be there. Another one is they meet, they're given a stowaway ship and they're on the ship
Starting point is 00:03:28 and then someone's like, oh, we've got company. And then they pull like a blanket off of a guillotine that someone has been kept prisoner in and the prisoner says, hi, I'm Jeff. And that is all we get given.
Starting point is 00:03:41 It's such a set up for him to be like a fun new addition to the team. Is he going to double cross them? What's his story? We never see him again. I don't quite understand why they've left in all of these bits of set up that absolutely go nowhere.
Starting point is 00:03:52 The dancing monkey, which is far and away the best thing in this film. It's after an all is lost moment. Yeah. So Dr. Doodle just gives up. He's like, well, I guess I live on the island now.
Starting point is 00:04:05 I'm on the island's doctor. And he says, everyone, we've failed. This is it. I'm taking patients. I'm taking patients, cash only. And then this goddamn orangutan turns up with a great hat and just does a great little dance. Yeah, he says, I've got dancing fever.
Starting point is 00:04:22 Yeah, that's right. Watch out, everyone. It's contagious. And it goes for five seconds. And then that's all you get. It's so good. It looks like the Dunstan from Dunstan Jackson. But wearing like cool clothes.
Starting point is 00:04:34 Yeah. Wearing like some real boho outfit. I feel like there are all these moments that are like, they allude to something more. Yeah, there was another movie. But the broader scene didn't make sense. But they must have spent enough time or money on them. They're like, well, we're going to keep them in
Starting point is 00:04:45 I don't know why are you ready for me to lay the theory on you? before you do I just want to say while that was your point of frustration was that line like all leaf insects spoken in 8 syllables absolutely blows up the logic of the word they've set up
Starting point is 00:05:02 the worst line in the movie for me hands hands down, and I feel so bad for Craig Robinson, who voices the squirrel who's shot and then joins the adventure, because he got given like several, he got given one through line of jokes, which is he's doing a running captain's journal, and none of that works.
Starting point is 00:05:17 And at one point, there's a cutaway to him. I can't remember what's just happened, but some stuff has happened, and it shows Craig Robinson as the squirrel, and he says, I just bought, I bought a front row ticket to Crazy Town. Yeah. but some stuff has happened. And it shows Craig Robinson's The Screw and he says, I just bought a front row ticket to Crazy Town. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:31 And I'm just like, that is pain by no... That is like someone up at 3 a.m. Like, if I just get this draft out, I can finally go to bed. If I can finish this page, get it to the studio. It doesn't need to be good yet. No, no, no. It can become good later. But then that's the shooting script. There's a lot of those where you've just got so many famous people
Starting point is 00:05:45 that everyone's got to have like a catchphrase, but there's not a lot of time. So everyone gets four words. So it's like you got John Cedar goes, teamwork makes the dream work. There's someone else says, that's what I'm talking. It's just all of that kind of innocuous shit. Just so people can get paid.
Starting point is 00:06:00 I guess so. Put some meals on the table. Especially that one. I got a front row ticket to Crazy Town. Just reeks of like catchphrase comedy. And it would work on me, I guess, if I was 10 or 11. You'd howl with laughter. Yeah, and that's who it's for.
Starting point is 00:06:13 The funny thing for us is that you keep telling me that the squirrel is voiced by Craig Robinson. I keep hearing it. I'm like, does this sound like Craig Robinson to me? And then I figured out that the person I had in my head was Craig Ferguson, who is A, white, B, Scottish-American, and C, quite a recognizable voice from late-night television of yore. Absolutely not in the movie. No, I was like, this guy sounds black to me.
Starting point is 00:06:42 I don't think you got this right. This movie is really skating the line that Robert Downey Jr. first ran in Tropic Thunder. Absolutely. They're forging a new path. Now, please, you turned to me halfway through the movie. After about five minutes in, you said, I'm about to get unbelievably high. And then you nudged me and asked if I had a pen before you rifled through all of your pockets for 10 minutes to reveal a pen.
Starting point is 00:07:04 And then not 10 minutes later, you grabbed me by the arm with a wild look in your eyes and said, I have a theory I need to lay on you, bro. Yeah, man. Should I try and do it without notes and see how far I get? This might be a classic Timbo mix-up. I think whatever you believe will do a better job of communicating the theory. I think we are dealing with a Princess Leia and Luke situation in this film. Okay, for those of us who aren't initiated.
Starting point is 00:07:31 Skuggins. What's the boy? Stubbins. What is a Leia and Luke situation? I'll explain. Well, let's leave that for the end. So. No, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:07:40 No, no, no, we'll get to it. We'll get to it. Okay. So, there were all these loose threads that the movie had left for us, and I was like, there's no way that all of these loose threads mean nothing. And I reckon there's another at least 20 minutes of this film that they cut out. And, you know, when you, like, make an edit out of one bit, it's like, well, that bit of the story doesn't make sense,
Starting point is 00:08:01 so I guess we'll take that out, that out, that out, and it's like a house of cards. You've got to remove suddenly, like, 20 minutes of film, just because everything else, like, inter'll take that out that out that out and it's like a house of cards you got to remove suddenly like 20 minutes of film just because everything else like interwove to the thing you took out yeah so I think that's what's happened what do we there's all these weird specific clues the movie leaves the kid what's his name again stubborn stubborn does not live with his parents and we hear that for a reason at the start the guy says who's finchy he goes I don't know how your sister put up with him so we know that for a reason at the start. The guy says, who's Finchie, he goes, I don't know how your sister put up with him.
Starting point is 00:08:27 So we know that he's now living with his uncle and aunt. And even earlier than that, he calls him uncle. Like they make a point of it. He does not live with his parents. Yeah, exactly. So we don't fully know who his folks are. When... I cannot retain this boy's name Stubbins goes to the lair to retrieve
Starting point is 00:08:51 the diary right and Antonio Banderas' tiger strewing lair he gets told to the kid Stubbins gets told to put his eye up to the tiger painting and then it will open the trap door now this is the king of all the bandits and thieves on this island right he's he's he's booby-trapped
Starting point is 00:09:11 this up like this is this has got to be a lock you know what I'm saying yeah this isn't any old lock this you got to put your eye up to it it's like an iris scan yeah how is he able to open it I'll tell you why okay because it's configured for his iris right for antonio banderas's iris and why does tubbins what's his name why is he able to open it because he's his son he's antonio banderas's son now what else do we know we know that antonio banderas is definitely the dad of lily yes. Doctor Dolittle's love. Okay, wow, yeah. Now, what do we also know in the film?
Starting point is 00:09:51 We never see the king. We have no experience of the king. We see a queen and we see a daughter, which is Rose. Oh, weird that she's got a flower name and Lily's got a flower name. Almost like there's a bit of a pattern there. Okay, so we don't know anything about the king vis-a-vis Rose's dad. Who is that? What else do we know?
Starting point is 00:10:12 We know that for some reason in this kid's film, for no reason that gets revealed in the plot, there is a lot of enigmatic looks, a lot of long, full gazes, a lot of suggestive expressions shared between the queen and Doolittle when she finally wakes up. I think they've got history. I posit to you, Guy Montgomery, that Lady Rose is Doolittle's daughter. He's the dad. And so the fact that both the kids have a bit of a crush on each other, they don't know their half-brother and sister.
Starting point is 00:10:42 Vis-a-vis Leia and Luke. Only by law, not by blood. Yeah. Yeah, true. If Lily is Antonio Banderas' daughter. Actually, good point. It's not quite a Leia and Luke.
Starting point is 00:10:52 Oh, I see. So Leia and Luke has been two love interests sent out to be siblings. Yeah, exactly. Through some power. What do you reckon?
Starting point is 00:11:00 Yeah. Of the theory. It's good, right? It's very good, yeah. I totally agree with those what's happening those sort of throwaway uh strands you did you did put them together because there has to be more to it has to be a reason we find out all of these little things and like why are they so flirtatious the queen and do little i feel like it's not the only instance of flirtatiousness i
Starting point is 00:11:21 feel like that's another i don't know if that's alluding to a backstory or if it's meant to be foreshadowing for a potential sequel, but there's definitely Bond also. For a sequel, having a little cutaway glance. That's subtle, man. This is a kid's movie. They set up romance throughout. That ostrich, voiced by Kumail
Starting point is 00:11:39 Nanjiani, and that polar bear, voiced by John Cena, are definitely They're in love. They're in love, and there's a moment where you Cena, I definitely want... They're in love. They want to fight. They're in love. And there's a moment where you think, you're like, cool, they're going to insert a same-sex storyline in here,
Starting point is 00:11:54 like same-sex love interest storyline. And then they're like, this is friendship. Same-sex, different species. Yeah, exactly. Inter-species, same-sex. 2020, a family can look like anything. No, no. First, you know, men want to marry men and then suddenly...
Starting point is 00:12:06 Polar bears want to marry ostriches. The Doomsdayers were right. This movie is the conservative nightmare of what would happen when we fought for marriage equality. A hundred percent. So, yeah, that should have happened though, eh? We should actually see it?
Starting point is 00:12:24 Yeah, man, absolutely. We don't need to like, I think it would be nice to see them kiss or at least acknowledge that they're in love because they definitely are. Yeah. But again, it's suggested but not shown, which is either stuff left in the cutting room floor or stuff that's going to happen in a second film. But they actually walk all the way up to a kiss between those two animals,
Starting point is 00:12:46 and then they go, because we're friends. Yeah, yeah. Like, it gets taken away. It's not like, it would be cool if they cut the scene. Reeds and Disney. Stinks of it. Lousy with the mouse. They won't let, you know, intersectionality arrive in their films.
Starting point is 00:13:02 No. I was going to say, it was something to the tune of speaking if you're acting on a ship. Oh, long full gazes. If you are acting on a ship, and Dr. Doolittle Robert Downey Jr. does this, Dr. Doolittle. If you are acting on an old
Starting point is 00:13:17 style ship, at some point in the movie, you're going to have to put one hand on an arrangement of ropes that reach from the base of the ship up to the mast. Yes. You're going to have to lean out holding the one hand looking like longingly across the ocean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And let the wind blow.
Starting point is 00:13:37 I'm telling you, he's going for Johnny Depp's role. Yeah, and they do that. And they do it beautifully. It is really well shot, that bit. It's like you're watching the movie poster, but it's animated. Yeah. There are a lot of the trailer moments. It's something you pointed out.
Starting point is 00:13:50 Like, you know, it's very satisfying playing trailer bingo and going bang, trailer, bang, trailer. One of my favorite lines from the trailer is when Doolittle says, hello, Barry, which is a scene between Doolittle and Ralph Fiennes as a tiger, and Barry says, hello, lunch. Not in the film. You're hanging out for an old movie. Doesn't arrive.
Starting point is 00:14:07 They changed a lot of stuff, hey? It's disappointing. I would like to say that this film, with regards to Dr. Doodle and his voice specifically, is like they gave, or actually not his voice specifically, this is like they gave the narrator from SpongeBob SquarePants an entire film. That's who Dr. Doodle is. Vocally or just like the manner in which it tells the story?
Starting point is 00:14:34 Yeah, and just everything. He's a pirate. He's on a ship. He can talk to animals and various different anthropomorphic beings. The way that he talks is like, are you ready? Aye, aye. Yeah, yeah. Also, they've tried to ground doodle in the uk and i think they figured out his accent wasn't doing
Starting point is 00:14:51 it because they make he says a few things which are unique to the uk he calls a mouth a gob yeah he says um you're gonna get a hiding he says fair enough like they use uk specific colloquialisms or language but then he also says um it's dangerous mon oh yeah like a weird jamaican like that's not british it's a huge uh jamaic expat jamaican community in london that's true i don't know where he's like kingston to kingston yeah yeah he's jungle to jungle he jungle he's breaking all the rules what else do I have in here oh this is ridiculous one of the big moments
Starting point is 00:15:31 the big moment in the movie that it all builds to which we didn't speak about in the first one there is a dragon in this movie we talked about that yeah the movie sort of ends
Starting point is 00:15:39 Doolittle and the animals navigate their way to the tree of Eden which is outlined pretty early on in the movie when Dr. Doolittle's character animals navigate their way to the Tree of Eden, which is outlined pretty early on in the movie when Dr. Doolittle's character accepts the call to adventure. Yeah. He says,
Starting point is 00:15:51 We have no choice but to embark on this perilous journey. Perilous journey. To find this fruit from the Eden Tree. And yea, verily, they do. And when they find the Eden Tree, there's a dragon whose sole job is to protect it. Doolittle somehow, you know, seduces the dragon by speaking to the dragon in its language. Well, I'll fill in just a gap real quickly.
Starting point is 00:16:11 So Doolittle is obviously suffering from heartbreak. That's why he finds it hard to leave the house and he's become a recluse. This dragon, he recognizes very early on, has some sort of emotional turmoil, looks to the left, sees a skull of presumably its partner, you know, that it's keeping in the cave with it. So it goes, oh, okay, you're heartbroken, I'm heartbroken, I can use this to cool your boots. And so he gets the dragon,
Starting point is 00:16:36 and there's this sort of fearful scene where it's like... Well, first the dragon kills and eats a guy. That's right. Which is really weird. Kills one of the naval officers. So Michael Sheen's character, the villainous Scarlet Pimpernel, steals, that's not the name, but I'm just. Go with it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:55 Steals Lily's diary, which is why they've gone to the island in the first place, to recover Lily's diary from the king, Antonio Banderas, who's also Lily's father. Yes. Michael Sheen takes it, destroys the ship, and I hate seeing ships get destroyed in movies. You hate it, eh? It's such a waste. It's like seeing people throw out food. Yeah, it really bothers me. But really big.
Starting point is 00:17:11 But it's anything. It's anything ornate that's destroyed. I'm like, no, don't ruin that. It was all set up. You know who you're going to hate? ISIS. Oh. I hate when people destroy infrastructure
Starting point is 00:17:23 in the name of extremism as well that really shits me but anyway they get on the ship so Doodle's dealing with the dragon at the end this is like the crescendo this is where all the action has been building to and the big reveal is that this dragon
Starting point is 00:17:39 in protecting the tree of Eden has had to deal with all sorts of cavalry and armies this is why it's okay with eating people and Doodle starts performing And protecting the Tree of Eden has had to deal with all sorts of cavalry and armies. This is why it's okay with eating people. And Duoduo starts performing like an anal extraction, like removing various different bits of miscellanea from the dragon's rectum, amongst which included is like... Don't skip over that.
Starting point is 00:17:57 That's weird. It's pretty funny, but it's kind of... Is it funny enough? It's pretty full on to put in a kid's film. Yeah. First he rams a leak up the jack jacksie of this dragon that's right and then starts sort of withdrawing items including a an arm a human arm and then eventually it's like well where's this gonna go yeah and the big reveal is the the reason this dragon was unhealthy or so much pain was
Starting point is 00:18:21 because i had a bagpipe rammed up its arsehole and he pulls out like a dry set of bagpipes which doesn't seem right well yeah no artistic license and all of that but yeah and then it's like oh wow
Starting point is 00:18:32 congrats you got the bagpipes out of my arse here's the treat yeah and it seems like I know it's meant to be a comedy
Starting point is 00:18:39 but there's so much work to go through and then that's the end and then from there it's like it's the opposite to endings from any other movies it's like oh okay I think we've run out go through, and then that's the end. And then from there, it's like, it's the opposite to endings from any other movies. It's like, okay, I think we've run out of story here.
Starting point is 00:18:49 And then they click their fingers. They're at the Queen's house. Yeah. The Queen gets better. Do we reckon there's a scene in between there maybe that got cut out? The return journey, yeah. You're supposed to have this all is lost moment. Falling action.
Starting point is 00:19:01 It's supposed to go there. No, no, all is lost was at the island. But it was too early. That's what I'm saying. You're supposed to have that right before the end. So we get our dragon. The dragon helps them. It's cool.
Starting point is 00:19:11 And then suddenly it's very much not cool. That's what's supposed to happen then. But it's... Anyway, look, maybe we're getting a little too analytical with this children's movie. But it did cost 175 mil to make. They put a lot of jokes in at the start like until Doodle
Starting point is 00:19:27 Mouse Chess? Yeah that's a great time that's a great idea at the very start, like kind of the opening of the whole movie is, well it's funny for a few reasons Doolittle has trained these mice to put little hats on indicating what chess piece they are and then they move around the board and he plays against
Starting point is 00:19:43 his gorilla voiced by Rami Malek but you don't hear them talking English at the start you just see them both talking gorilla that's the first time that's like and Robert Downey Jr to his credit he gives it his all and it is odd and uncomfortable it's it's the same moment in Cats is like it's it's when that opening reprise in Cats comes in and you're like i'm not in a safe space this could go anywhere and it's that when robert dana jr talks to three different animals a gorilla a dog and something else doing the voices and you're like oh this is like i don't know they didn't figure this out before they made it and we're gonna live through
Starting point is 00:20:20 that problem it's the gorilla noises in particular that actually yeah yeah, you're right, he talks to all of them. But the gorilla noises, he goes all out. He kind of makes it sound like the gorilla is coming at one point. And he just, there's no barrier there. And I mean, good on him for giving such a shameless performance. But it is a shameless performance. Nah, but it is fearless. And it does pave the way for that terrible young actor.
Starting point is 00:20:42 It's also bad. Stubbins, the boy who plays Stubbins, who phoned it in twice now cubbins gotcha he sort of mimics the when he's learning how to do it he starts talking like an animal to the animals even at one point talking like an animal to downey jr himself now here's what i don't get right and we forgot that jason manzookas is in this film it's always a pleasure to hear him. Even better to see him, which we don't. He voices a dragonfly. He voices a dragonfly. A love lost dragonfly. And
Starting point is 00:21:07 Cubbins can talk to him. To the dragonfly fluently and it's the only animal that he pulls it off with. He doesn't talk to the dragonfly. Oh. The dragonfly talks to himself in a way that it suggests.
Starting point is 00:21:23 It's like, because I was trying to catch him out with that same little hole but no, they pulled it off it off is it all good the dragonfly is talking to itself well sort of talking aloud to him but he doesn't need any yeah yeah he doesn't respond or anything um but from that opening but he directs him though he directs him around the room a bit no he's he goes he goes he goes uh kitty on your six and then he turns to his left and sees that tiger. Could be a coincidence. You can explain it all away.
Starting point is 00:21:48 Yeah, yeah, okay, cool. But from that crazy opening gambit when Danny Jr. is doing all the animal voices and all that nonsense, to the moment Doolittle leaves the house, to the moment he's forced out of his house, it is packed with not many of them work, but it's jokes.
Starting point is 00:22:06 Every line of dialogue is a joke Kumail Nanjiani's ones are good when he finally gets out of the house yes actually it's a bit of physical comedy which strangely did work even though it's digital effects
Starting point is 00:22:14 because he who does he trip up? is it Robert Downey Jr.? is it Dude Little? he kicks him in the legs the ostrich yeah when he comes out
Starting point is 00:22:22 yeah the ostrich kicks someone over he's fighting the polar bear oh that's right that's because that's them sort of acknowledging that they actually like each other
Starting point is 00:22:29 even though they haven't got the emotional maturity to figure out how or whether or not the world is ready for an ostrich and a polar bear to engage in it
Starting point is 00:22:34 the polar bear just arrives on the sea the ostrich is like fuck this it just kicks his legs from out of over he goes nope nope I'm out of service
Starting point is 00:22:42 I'm not here he goes uh oh the dog oh no he comes out and he goes, ah, I'm looking forward to a lovely day of doing nothing. Maybe have a wander around the garden. Oh, doodle-idles up. He's coming towards me.
Starting point is 00:22:52 That's not good. He just fucking kick-sweeps the polar bear. He's like, nope, I'm not doing it. That was good. He does well. The reason, though, I think that, because you have been speculating a lot about these singles, especially on the boats, there's like shots of...
Starting point is 00:23:06 Yeah. So I think the reason that you see so many... Well, hold on, we can't just explain what I was talking about. Oh, it's just that Tim wants more context for the boat. There's a weird set of shots where the Scarlet Pimpernel and his left hand are talking on the boat and they're standing right next to each other, but they keep showing them just by themselves in the shots.
Starting point is 00:23:24 There's reshoots. There must be a... There's 19 to 21 days of comedy reshoots, and that's why we have so many weird singles where it's like... Couldn't get them on the same day, huh? Yeah. I reckon you're right. Oh, this is just notes pulling together the theory.
Starting point is 00:23:38 You worked hard on the theory. The theory is sound, dude. I'm proud of the theory, and it was only on my second watch. I got a good laugh out of when Dr. Doodle was caught in the kingdom of Antonio Banderas and all of the soldiers pulled swords on him. And one of the soldiers says,
Starting point is 00:23:54 don't move. And then he touches the tip of the swords. And another one of the soldiers says, don't touch. That's good. There's a little ADR edition. Do you reckon, because we didn't answer this the first time, I don't think,
Starting point is 00:24:09 do you reckon people should go along and see Doodle Little? No. I think if you can get to it for like six bucks, it's worth copping a load of Downey Jr.'s accent. When I was watching it, I was like, what is it that makes everyone agree something is bad? Like, you know, because this has got 15% on Rotten Tomatoes. I'm like, what is it that creates everyone agree something is bad like you know because there's got 15 on rotten tomatoes i'm like what is it that creates like universal consensus because taste is so disparate and everyone thinks different things of different yeah different creations and this is art or it's
Starting point is 00:24:33 attempted art and art is subjective it's a movie but like what why is it that we both that we both know and why does society at large knows that it's bad well i did i was thinking about this because going into a movie like this with such loaded expectations of it being very rubbish kind of destroys everything does it not set it up to be acceptable possible yeah it does but then what's that that's boring as well it's like oh yeah it was the shit movie i expected it to be i'm not delightfully surprised by how shit it is. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. It's competently enough put together. It's like what you were saying about it clipping along.
Starting point is 00:25:08 It's like there's enough colors and bright lights and baubles and distractions. It's not interesting in its badness, which can't succeed in being. Exactly, yeah. So this is why people shouldn't see it. It's just like you don't need to go. You're right.
Starting point is 00:25:20 So maybe this is the ultimate movie to not see. Were it not for Robert Downey Jr.'s accent. It's the one thing which elevates it beyond just bad across the board Maybe this is the ultimate movie to not see. Were it not for Robert Downey Jr.'s accent. It's the one thing which elevates it beyond just bad across the board to almost interestingly bad. Yeah. But surely someone's made a super cut. You know those videos that they put on GQ or whatever, their accent coaches who go through all their accents?
Starting point is 00:25:37 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would love to see a linguist sit down with Robert Downey Jr.'s character from Dr. Doodle and just be like, Where are you from, my guy? Just guess. It's not, it's not what, it's, I don't know. I can't recommend people go and see it. I don't know how long it's going to be around for either.
Starting point is 00:25:54 Are we bleeding into the next, when's the next session start? Yeah, we are. It started 10 minutes ago. So we've got five more minutes of ads or trailers. Okay, okay. Just to get our tickets, to get any snacks we might want. Had a popcorn in the last movie. It was okay. Got a little bit cold, didn get any snacks we might want. Had a popcorn in the last movie. It was okay.
Starting point is 00:26:05 Got a little bit cold, didn't put my jersey on. Few more people in? How did that change the experience for you? They laughed three times. I'm too beautiful to die. That was the squirrel?
Starting point is 00:26:18 That was a laugh point? I wrote that down as a laugh point. And then after that, there were all these jokes that I expected to get laughs and didn't, and I was like, this is a rough crowd,
Starting point is 00:26:24 and I stopped charting it because I just felt bad for the movie. Who knows? We should have even more at this one. You know what stuck out to me at the beginning? You forget all the stuff at the start, eh? The sanctuary, the animal sanctuary, which the Queen of England gifted to Doolittle and Lily. I mean, someone owned that. It was a fully built castle with a fully developed
Starting point is 00:26:49 garden like he opens the gates as if it's like oh cool here's some land nah nah that was someone's this is some colonial bullshit that is that to me is uh this is conquered lands man yeah they they would have that's why they got taken it's been compensation they would have offered them a pretty ample compensation. They would have tried to pay them out. You know. The British royal family, famous for compensating people for their land. Yeah, they bought them out. Absolutely renowned for it. They'll buy out aristocrats on their own land.
Starting point is 00:27:16 They won't buy out anyone else. They poisoned whoever was in there. They put a flag up and they said, this is Doolittle's little sanctuary. To me, it's an early era of the castle. The movie, the Australian movie, The Castle, where the airport's trying to buy up the house owned by the Kerrigans. There's a movie in there where the
Starting point is 00:27:31 royal family is sort of trying to weasel their way into that estate so they can give it to Doolittle. And the family inside of it are trying to fight it. But unlike The Castle where the Kerrigans triumph, this family was poisoned and killed. And then into Dr. Doolittle, into the movie that we're about to watch for the third time we're running late now
Starting point is 00:27:47 we gotta go we must do more for Dolittle we must we have no choice but to embark on this perilous journey

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