The Worst Idea Of All Time - Fifty Eight - A Review (ft critic Richard Lawson)

Episode Date: November 10, 2017

The boiz are together in NYC and joined by real life film critic for Vanity Fair, Richard Lawson (@rilaws). Together the trio take a loving look at everyone's favourite crying DJ, green-light an amazing sequel to WAYF and tug at a few potential love stories that Timbly and Guybo may have missed over the last year.Come to TWIOAT final ever live shows in LA and NYC! Go to worstideaofalltime.com for tickets. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Are you going to play that dastardly intro again? Try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try. Ow! This movie's still fine. This is a cully bastard. One of the guys that goes screw. One of them's a hottie. His name is Jay.

One of them looks like Johnny Depp. And his name is Johnny Depp. Classic Maximum Joseph. Agree! Ah! You forget that films are supposed to have a point. Hello and welcome to the worst idea of all time, episode number 58. My name is Tim Batt.

My name is Guy Montgomery and we record together, united at last. A trick shot. Once more in the bright lights of New York City. Guy went over and then I thought to myself, you know what I should do? I should go over as well. That's right. And now you're here. Before we launch into this fantastic discussion about the cinematic masterpiece, We Are Your Friends, we'd like to announce that we will be fulfilling our obligations as hosts of a podcast. We're doing two live shows before this thing's over. This is the third to last ever episode of this hellish

honey trap we laid for ourselves three and a half years ago uh come november 29 we'll be doing our last ever show in new york city at the bell house and on december 1 we'll be putting a pin in this thing once and for all uh at the nerd melt showroom in los angeles california both shows are only 15 bucks to go and we're going to sell merch and you should come and buy a ticket And some merch And see us Do our thing Shake our booties

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That's okay Hey Welcome to New York Tim How you going? Thank you so much Look your house is beautiful i love this apartment is this a brownstone or are they a different thing i don't know how things work this isn't a brownstone that's fine this is a walk-up listen a brownstone

is a kind of walk-up well you seems to about 10 seconds ago look the chit chat's so great guy and it's so lovely to hang out with you we've actually been spending so much time together um in the last week that uh maybe too much yeah i would say undoubtedly too much but who cares about that because this episode's big special feature is we are joined by a professional movie reviewer and not just any professional movie uh film movie reviewer you probably wouldn't use that title would you use something a little bit more high-end uh Movie reviewer when I'm trying to be less pretentious. I see. And film critic when you're going for the top shelf. That's what I'm trying to impress people.

Right on. The voice you're hearing is that of Richard Lawson, film critic for Vanity Fair and author of the forthcoming book, All We Can Do Is Wait, which is literally what we're doing until February 2018 when that book is available for consumption and co-host of the Little Gold Men podcast

Richard. Hello. How in God's name are you? Thank you so much for joining us. I'm good. We just watched We Are Your Friends. My heart rates up. I was too embarrassed to tell you while watching it but because you were making fun of the final song I got shivers. That final song

wait a minute are you talking about Zac Efron's song? I'm talking about Zac Efron's song. His constructed cell phone montage. I still sometimes get shivers while making fun of it because in terms of cumulative emotional experience from watching the film,

I mean, that's exactly what it's meant to do, right? It's meant to do that. You know, music is just sounds. Did you know that? Well, I do. Fuck, that is deep. I'm so glad we've got a film critic here to lead us through this winding road You know, music is just sounds. Did you know that? Wow. Fuck, that is deep.

I'm so glad we've got a film critic here to lead us through this winding road of movie interpretation. 57 screenings so far. We haven't stumbled into that rather quaint observation. Yet here we are. Now, Richard, I'm going to take the reins here. I think you should catch this in context. Please do, Tim. If I may, briefly,

because you penned upon the release of this film. This is not your first uh viewing no i saw this at a press screening but it would be two years ago you know august 2015 yeah and i go so far as to say that uh you reviewed the hell out of this movie something about it stoked something in me that i just i left that screening i was like man i'm gonna i'm gonna write that yeah this is a weird thing to do but i'm gonna read no that's okay just quickly before you do read it i would like to say that uh part of the the way in which we managed to sort of um i don't know what the word is but cajole you into joining us in this room for another screening of where your friends was uh through online personality at thomas violence on twitter i

caught up with him and that's where i met richard and we were speaking about our lives and i said oh well i do this dumb thing with this fucking idiot, this pig ugly piece of shit, Tim Baird. Oh, you're talking about me? I'm quoting verbatim. Oh, okay. And you sort of came in,

not as an apologist, but you said, well, actually, as I recall, I saw that movie and it sort of, it struck a chord with me and I thought, well. Yeah, you definitely want to defend the movie

and not me after being called a pig piece of shit or whatever. 50, you can't even remember the insult. I'm pretty tired. But after 56 or 57 screenings, I think what I thought we could use or what would be an interesting counterpoint

is someone who has a positive relationship with this film. I have excerpts, but I think you should read them to be honest, Richard. No, that's weird. Isn Richard. It's kind of weird. No, that's weird. Isn't that weird? That's weird. That is weird.

That's film critic next to movie reviewer. Let's go for the movie reviewer. Okay. Zac Efron, an actor of seemingly limited range, has some innate, wholly beguiling quality about him that tends to only come to the surface when whatever character he's playing is suffering. I quite agree.

Here he is, the crying DJ, in his element his element yeah the crying dj it's so good i mean that's that was part of the shiver at the end like i fucking love that at the end it's he doesn't like do a fist bump or pump and is like yeah i did it i won the movie he cries i think that's great i think that's so interesting what he's had a music festival he is like the party starter his job is DJ I'm just speaking in professional terms not in terms of the character his job is not to stand up there

play some sounds and cry but every stranger in that festival understands he's going through something so they're going to be sympathetic to it because he's illicitly released they're not going to think it's weird that this guy is standing on stage weeping but I mean so what do you think those tears uh can i throw in something here i think

there's something just innately satisfying about seeing someone as beautiful as zach here from crying and i think it's that it's the human it's human nature is what it is gentlemen it's schadenfreude you want to see people who get it so good all the time you want to see him fall over and scrape their knees once in a while exactly and it humanizes him you know because like he he can be in certain movies where he's just supposed to be this like god you know it's like he just feels so fake and like robotic and like that's why i think when he's in movies where he can be a little darker or whatever like that's when you're like oh he's a piece he's a good actor i think he can be i think he's still kind of like theater like he's

a theater kid right he's like a show kid yeah and i think that like like timberlake is but but he's better than timberlake but um but yeah but i think in something like this where he's asked to sort of explore his darker side which we know from his personal life he does have um it's just fascinating. And when you see him crying and you feel your heart skip a beat at the end of the movie, what do you think,

in terms of character development, what does that mean for Ziccoli, the crying DJ? For good old Cole Carter? Yeah, what does it represent? Like, why is he crying? Because do you think it's a, this is what he's been working towards

and it doesn't fulfill him in the way he would hope? Oh, no. Well, I think he's crying for his friend squirrel dearly departed squirrel alright fucking you guys have seen him die so many times every week well I guess you haven't seen him die you've seen him dead so many times yeah that's true every time I'm like don't take that little red pill

that's covered in lint that Johnny Depp or just ripped out of his pocket yeah I don't think he's crying for that I think he's crying out of a sense of triumph I think he's also crying because this is among other things a coming-of-age movie and I think that he has realized that uh adult life is difficult but also like possible and and that he has a future even if he doesn't know what it is yeah that's one of the interesting things that you put in the that sort of shone through in the review I don't know if you're about to read next pertain i actually was it was going to be hyper relevant but the

second one down there guy you read yeah more than interesting late august curio the august as you said was the release date uh more than interesting late august curio a sad millennial meditation on ambition and aimlessness and that was something i found interesting in it because uh what i think when you saw it and wrote that review what i would say you interpreted as sort of millennial aimlessness or angst or the notion of not quite knowing where they fit in yeah i week in week out sort of interpret as poor character development and i'm like these people aren't aimless they're just they're just like hot they're just 2d like johnny we call ollie the drug dealer guy We call him Johnny Depp

For reasons that Are completely forgotten to us But early on We sort of speculate He looks like him And Johnny Depp in Chocolat Or something

Yeah Exactly But his Pre-massive blowout Johnny Depp Yeah Johnny Depp When he still had some fans

Johnny Depp when he was drinking One bottle of red wine a day Yeah Hey did you Just a quick sidebar Did you see that latest pirates movie you know i didn't actually it's kind of like the latest transformers it's gotten so far into this both series i'm just like i it's pretty there's a pretty hog wild saying where johnny depp is uh running on top of it i want to say it's a train i saw only the first half of the film but Johnny Depp looks visibly disinterested

with his own performance. It's so crazy because Johnny Depp, the whole thing with that was he based his characterization of whatever the pirate's name is on Keith Richards. Oh, like 15 years ago. And then I got the feeling that Johnny Depp

based his life on the character of Jack Sparrow. It's like two degrees of separation to him becoming a drunken washout. I'm sorry, I got a sidetrack. So we're talking about Ollie. Well, it's more all that to say, so the chords that it strikes with you are those of sort of aimlessness

and the notion of pining for something and then maybe not quite getting it and having to reckon with that or getting close to it and realising it might not be what you want. And Johnny Depp's character arc is like, I'm'm gonna be an actor and then he does nothing to pursue acting and then by the end of the movie he goes i'm not gonna be an actor as though the world has taken this option from him yeah yeah well i mean i think that it's a little on the nose of the movie or maybe a lot on the nose for like for like that character for johnny depp to have uh thank you for using uh yeah

oh hey look you know i'm in your house um to have a sort of tandem like like parallel goal like like if if if efron was like the main like he was their white hope and then like everyone else was going to be sort of his like like in the way that entourage functioned where i mean i guess johnny drama had his own thing going so maybe johnny depp in this is johnny drama in entourage i don't know i i understand i know what you mean we're like there he's shiloh fernandez the actor has this big like well i'm not going to be an actor and you're like but wait we haven't seen an audition we haven't seen him practicing a monologue we haven't seen him running lines with squirrel you know doing sides like i mean and something and that's that's the thing so for me it's like and i mean uh jarhead who is mason mason jar jarhead we're showing our working there um wait johnny weston johnny weston so his character's called mason yeah

yeah uh but he so he's another one who's like i know that there's only space you know in every movie for one character to have motives and goals but but he's another one who I'm like, when I see it, I don't think, oh, this is as a millennial. I guess what I was wondering is when I watch it, I never identify with,

oh, this is me on screen. This is me not feeling sure about myself. Cause you're not a fucking maniac. You hate this woman. I go, this is a, I'm watching a bad,

I'm watching bad film. And I think that's fair. I mean, like, you know, it's, it's, everything well yeah and i think that's fair i mean like you know it's it's everything is uh subjective um i think that i think i compared it in the review to um magic mike the first one which i think is such an interesting like you think that there's going to be this big party movie and it is in a in a way but like there's also this kind of like economic unease to it and and and i think that we are your friends for a younger audience

interestingly and kind of admirably attempts to do that to kind of address some some actual like issues that might plague you know people i don't know how you know 10 years younger than me um and uh so i appreciate that it does that and that it's not afraid to show emotion it is really gross and broey with all the like the way that women are treated i mean it's very similar to entourage or like a michael bay movie i mean even there is in that pool scene the michael bay introduced a woman by showing her her ass like walking through yeah like that's a very michael bay thing um so yeah that's bad but i think that they that they let these boys show emotion and like feel is is better than

some things are right how good would it be if when those shots with the way they introduce a lady as they show her butt, if they made the butt talk, so the butt's like, hey, I'm a butt. And it's not even the lady, the butt's the character. Are you talking about Ace Ventura?

I guess I am. I don't remember. But then there's a whole character is what I'm saying. What I would like to see is every character introduced butt first. In anything, in everything. And i would call the film but now how would you spell but in the title b-u-t-t obviously uh it's a gag are there

any other punctuation marks in the title or is it yes yes i'm so glad you asked not one but two exclamation points which go uh not where you would think yeah one after but and the other one after now but now yeah exactly it's um a return to the sort of soft core erotica films which skirted the lines of an r rating of yesteryear i think i think that's gonna get greenlit go out to like i would love to go to the cinema with you When that screens Just so we can talk about it I said you by the way

For those at home I was pointing towards Richard Not Tim Who I'm sure won't be talking to me by that point Can I ask a serious question? Please What was your shining light Of watching this movie for the second time?

Well the company of course That is ever so sweet But also not valid shining light of watching this movie for the second time well the company of course um that is ever so sweet yeah but also not valid um what was my shining light um i look i have i think that johnny weston's really cute so i'm attracted to him i will say that so it's fun to see him again attracted to i think he's good looking guy but so and that kind of scuzzy type yeah i grew up in super intense dudes no no i'm not in my normal kind of scuzzy type. Yeah. I grew up in super intense dudes. No, no,

I'm not in my normal, like in my actual life. No, but like I grew up in Boston and there's a certain type of Boston area guy who just like is sort of that, like if, if like a guy with like, and he doesn't have them in the movie,

but like two like diamond stud earrings. Like I, I just can't like, it's, it's a weird thing. So he kind of reminds me of that. He's got that, that,

I don't know why, I guess just the depictions bostonites that i always see in tv and movies they've always got a short fuse and he seems like one of those dudes yeah yeah we're all maniacs i mean i'm the only one who isn't but uh yeah so i mean it's fun to see him and he's also i think a good actor and he's not in enough stuff um but what else i if we've got any casting directors listening put jahid in more shit. Come on, guys. And his real name's Johnny Weston. I also think, and I was reminded of it watching a second time, I think Wes Bentley is really good in the movie,

and I think it's because he's drawing on personal experience. Yeah. Because I naturally wind up, you wind up researching the, because we need angles of conversation from repeated exposure. And yeah, because he was part of, as his ascendancy, when he was the star of American Beauty or one of the stars, he got swept up. He was part of a documentary or something, right?

Did you know this? I didn't know about that, no. Him and a few other actors were part of a documentary about young actors trying to make it in Hollywood. Right. And the timing of the documentary I think coincided with his ascendancy so what you actually saw within it was a young man reckoning with all the trappings of fame and stardom and then through that I just read about it and then through that I

learned that he developed substance abuse problems that he's obviously he's since bounced back from yeah I mean he and he was really he was out of the business for years and then he kind of worked his way quietly back and i think he did like a play in new york and yeah that's so cool yeah yeah because this movie is low budget you know but it doesn't look good i mean it's i think it's a good looking movie let me say this first time i've seen it in full hd or 1080 resolution whole different viewing experience we're on nice couches big old TV

and guys New York City apartment good sound good bloody sound bar pumping out some pretty

heavy bass in there it was a joy and there genuinely was other stuff in there that I noticed that I haven't seen

before in the 57 previous watches and the great words of Timbatt par exemplar? Par a hempley.

Just like a lot of looks and stuff. Like the one that really stands out to me is the expression on James Reid from The Feelers' face. I'll explain in a moment. Sorry, Richard. There's literally a year of bank catalog bullshit when they're at the strip club and it's i think maybe when he first sees the cell phone there's just this long there's a shot what are you looking for bud i've got a notepad full of

similar observations i'm just wondering where i put it probably down there yeah yeah and it's just i don't know it's just and you got you got something out of it got something out of it yeah there's certainly there was more because we have recently been promoting the fact that as we chose this movie because it's lower budget than the previous two things that we studied and we did study them uh it's harder to pick out because one of the coping mechanisms from doing this is you wind up latching on to background characters sort of anything that's outside of the focus of the frame and because the budget

is tighter it feels like there's less you know they can't fill it they can't wear their budget they can't fill out each shot in the same way

that you do with other movies but then suddenly we've been watching at 720 our whole lives suddenly you crank it up to the res was too low

everyone that was the problem we needed to get that blue right there's some stuff going on in the background one of my favourite things I noticed this week crank it up to... The res was too low, everyone. That was the problem. We needed to get that Blu-ray. There's some stuff going on in the background. One of my favourite things I noticed this week, I might even go so far as to call it a shining light. Holy shit.

Stop the press, everybody. Yeah. It was that the... So this actually also got the first raise out of you during the screening. Jahid's don't bro me if you don't know me when he's waiting, he's sort of tending to the line

outside of the club social. The guy who's trying to get in, he says, you know Ali, the pretty boy. So I saw he had a small amount of chest hair, which I think it hadn't been shaved to the skin, but it's sort of been trimmed and it was coming out of the top of his t-shirt.

And I thought to myself, I don't think I've seen, in the 57 previous screenings, I don't think I've seen a lot in the way of chest here from any of these other characters well isn't it quite nice to see just a little bit of chest here yeah coming out of this guy's t-shirt and that is something i never would have seen before is it a shining light yeah so you finally seen the film the way it was meant to be seen yeah words yeah yeah i laughed at don't bro me if you don't know me was that is that yeah Yeah. Yeah, it is. So you've finally seen the film the way it was meant to be seen. Yeah. In other words. Yeah. Yeah, I laughed at Don't Bro Me If You Don't Know Me.

Was that the one? Yeah. Because can you imagine someone saying that in real life, like, in a sort of menacing way? It's just, it's crazy. It's an insane bit. It is. To try and threaten someone with that catchphrase is a fool's errand, but would be hilarious to watch unfold.

Like, it feels like something LL Cool J would have rapped 25 years ago. It also bothers me that he says that, and every single week he winds up going to the pool party, and he speaks with James Reid from The Feelers, which is Wes Bentley's character. Right, okay. And he says, he calls him bro. And he doesn't know him.

Very well he doesn't know him. And it's like, this is either a flaw within the character that is a conscious decision by the writers, or it's just clumsy. Because then like two minutes later, he's tackling someone into a pool for bro-ing him when they didn't know him. It is fucking bizarre.

There's no consistency. Well, I think this is a movie that's about, partly, young men let down by absent or failing father figures. And I think that Johnny Weston or I think that his jarhead, excuse me, his lack of consistency with his moral principles, I think is saying something about who he is. But he has every opportunity to have a good relationship with his father. His father comes into the room, wakes up and says Mason Mason I asked you to fix that toilet three

times yesterday roof roof yeah and then he says the toilet's still broken but his father has failed to provide him with a solid roof with a

full swimming pool I mean these are things that the parents are supposed to provide yeah whenever you say stuff I assume you're talking a metaphor because you've

got such a like lovely poetic phrase but I think you're literally just talking about a real ceiling speaking of the empty pool this is another thing i got to notice thanks to the crunchy uh hd is that might have been 4k there's a might have been 4k this week guys the special treat for timbo and guy guys we watched on an apple television a children's slide set that is,

and there's also a small child's bike, which suggests that they're younger siblings, maybe to a different mother. Who's to say? We don't know the family dynamic, but because there's younger siblings and the children's slide set is pushed up hard against the empty pool.

Like where the slide ends, it goes straight into the pool. Oh, wow. And at no point in this movie do we see water in empty pool. Like, where the slide ends, it goes straight into the pool. Oh, wow. And at no point in this movie do we see water in that pool. It's like baby shoes never worn. It's like, does that indicate that there was some horrible accident or something?

Wow. Fucking hell, you guys. Either an accident or a prank, but it's dark. He turns a painting. Painting with some pretty broad, dark brushes. Some grim brushes?

Brushes. What was your shining light then, Tim? Pull us out. Oh, look. I'm so glad you asked. You aren aren't i can see you racking your brains right now i've been waiting for literally 21 minutes can i ask you before you answer how tired are you right now on a scale of one to ten for the first time ever i fell asleep ever so briefly during the film how long do you think you're out for on Seconds. Truly seconds. But it's never happened before.

So Richard, I apologise. Are you jet lagged? Is that what's happening? Yeah, I think so. Just catching up with me. You know? You got here a week ago. You're not jet lagged. Quite, yeah.

Your party boy lifestyle is catching up with you. Well. Admit it. Well. I'm not going to say no. Are you the Cole of this podcast? Well, yeah, I am. I you the coal of this podcast well yeah i am i am the coal of this podcast so offended even within the confines of the joke that you wouldn't be the alpha hilarious he's not the alpha mason's the alpha no would you agree with that um richard

no i think i think i think mason is secretly the biggest loser of them all right or not so Would you agree with that? Richard, allow me to drag you into this poisonous relationship I think Mason is secretly the biggest loser of them all, right? Or not so secretly Yeah He's the, I think, least happy with himself If he's an alpha, he's a sort of flaccid, ineffectual one Yes Ultimately

Okay, maybe he is, guy They even reference, like I mean, it's kind of absurd that that girl is like It would just be pity sex It's like, the guy is really good looking Just like, get mean, it's kind of absurd that that girl is like, it would just be pity sex. It's like, the guy is really good looking. Just like, got with it. But we don't know. Maybe his prowess is lacking.

I always want to know the second half of the line that he's using to pick her up, which is, well, I've seen many door girls in my day, but none. And then she goes, she cuts him off to say, yeah, I'll have sex with you. But what possibly, how could you round out that sentence to come away sounding okay i've seen many door girls in my time i think is the actual wording i think and i think the last bit is but this one but this one and then that's like wow this is the stuff this is why you do 58 episodes of this movie because it's really look at us is it worth it well no i mean i'm a little bit taken aback, but you guys have clearly been down a dark road. But no, I think it's admirable.

That movie in particular, like you were saying, with a cheaper budget, so there's less detail, there's less background stuff. Like, there's not a lot to kind of parse out of this movie. I don't think. It's not like Sex and the City 2,

which is like this riot of absurdity yeah this is like pretty it's pretty lean i would say in all respects yeah absolutely and there's also uh you were speaking i don't want to borrow borrow one of your phrases but you're speaking about your relationship to los angeles your personal relationship with the city los angeles and saying that there's a you find something melancholic about it i do that yeah what was your i was saying that um every time in mla in la either for work or visiting my sister um i just feel like it's constantly like sunday afternoon at 4 p.m yeah any time of the day doesn't matter what day it is because just has that like like something's ending kind of like

wistful like weird wistful quality to it And that touches every single frame of this movie. Yeah, which is a lot to dwell in. Yeah, and so I think that through these 58 watches, that that does touch what we do at the back end of it, right? It would have to. Being sad? Yeah, feeling a little bit odd. Absolutely, no doubt.

It is the feeling. It's like dreading school or work on Monday morning, knowing that you are not at the thing, but you're in a worse position, you will be going to the most amount of the thing shortly. The anticipation of it. And that something has ended. You don't really know what it is.

The good thing is done. It's the feeling. Slimbo. It's the feeling when you're like seven or eight and you've had a great weekend hangout with your friend and then on the Sunday, their parents come around to pick them up and you've got this knot in your tummy and then they go and then you're just sitting at the house.

And then the light starts to slant in the window sideways and it's just, oh, it's bad. The sun's always very low in the sky. I guess it's just because it's going into evening time, but it always seems to be that kind of early winter where it's sunny but the sun, but it always seems to be that kind of early winter where it's sunny, but the sun's hanging too low or something. Emily Dickinson poem,

A Certain Slant of Light, where she talks about that. It's like she was writing it alone in her house in Western Massachusetts going crazy. And it's exactly that quality that she's talking about. So from Emily Dickinson to We Are Your Friends, it's all on a line. Poetry.

This is why we bring you in. We don't have access to Emily Dickinson's back catalogue With our measly brains Tim you haven't given us a shining light Pull us out of this pool of melancholy Speaking of slanting light So listen So many great moments

So many great performances this week You just got given a 10 minute pass to think of something I actually had one and then it left me again sadly Shit I actually had one and then it left me again, sadly. Shit. Well, look, this is hard to find one that we haven't done before because, I mean, look, did I love the line, no, I'm American again? Yeah, I did.

And I'm not embarrassed to admit it. When they go outside for a smoke and James Reid from the Feelers smokes it, throws it away. Guy explains it's a spliff. So so coley says it's a spliff he says what are you american what the fuck you know you guys have been there before well yeah i mean luckily for anyone listening at this point you have articulated this moment of joy i'd say upwards of five times on the podcast so people do know exactly what you're angling towards yeah so your listeners are also doing something crazy which i think is fascinating 100 so it's a kind of communal almost cult-like

there's a guy yeah there's a guy there's a guy in wellington called kyle smith who for season three i think there are other examples but he's the name who i remember um shotgunned the number of screenings we are your friends Friends we were going to do and just watched the movie 52 times just to see what the experience is like. But he did it in like a month.

Oh my God. And also didn't really document it which seems to me like the craziest of all the things. Yeah. That's real art though where there is very little

tangible reward for the effort. That's the thing. The difference between a podcast and art is that we release this. If we just recorded this conversation and kept the audio file to ourselves that's art then we're making art and careful it's worth more than my car

oh thank you so much richard because this has triggered my shining light it's new and i think i noticed it because of the increased resolution of the screening this week but when they're in the car when uh when when we first meet james roode from the feelers really in an intimate setting have a conversation with him and he opens up his hip flask and has a has a drink because with the knowledge of having seen the movie before i know that there's pcp in there so the dude's just rolling into a i think it's a car for him like he's got a personal driver or something it's the it's the sort of idea they put out there but let's call it an uber he just rolls in there with zicole the crying dj and just opens up a flask of pcp he has a little hit yeah it's crazy

because i was noticing those cuts were they were really getting me this time because i was like maybe uh something i've been into maybe something I've been entertaining the idea because the relationship between Ziccoli and James Reid from the Feelers is obviously mentor-mentee and he needs him to advance his career. But there are moments where I'm like, I'm watching and I think, do you know what? Ziccoli doesn't actually think that you're cool, dude. Like Ziccoli doesn't really think that James Reid from the Feelers is cool.

He's, like, advantageous to him in terms of professionally. But when he's – so when he was in the car and he's like, so where have you spun or whatever the fucking backwards way of asking where have you played music before? And then there's, like, five cuts while James Reid lists, like, you know, 20 cities. I was watching that and I was thinking – because he had the hip flask open the whole time and I was like, you're r 20 cities. I was watching that and I was thinking, because he had the hip flask open the whole time

and I was like, you're rambling, dude. Zip it up. Like, put the lid on your hip flask, put it in your pocket, start talking about something else. Maybe ask the coalier a question. That's how conversation works. Because he's just prattling off cities.

It's boring. It's like in movies or TV shows where someone will ask a question and then it'll cut and they'll be arriving in a new location and they're answering the question. And it's like, did you just sit in silence for that entire time? Exactly. And that weird cut, it's like he's just been sitting there listing cities for five minutes. Well, exactly.

But every time they cut it, I was looking, I just held eye contact with Zicoli on this one. And he's just got the same look where he's just sort of looking and smiling but you can i felt like you could see the smile become more hollow i have a question for you guys based on this what you're saying about this scene i'd be delighted to answer it i assumed the pcp was in the joint he smoked not in the flask i thought that it fuck that's a good point it's very embarrassing we're all gonna expose how little we know know about PCP consumption. I think you can smoke PCP but you've got to do it in a glass pipe. You'd need a really high boiling

temperature. Also, it seems unlikely that it would be in there, or unless he's got so much PCP and money he doesn't care because not only, this shits me every time, does Wes Bentley throw away Ziccoli's joint, which he's brought to the gig. It could be the last of his weed, you know, he might be really valuing that. Not that i would know what that feels like and then another joint and he

takes like three puffs and he's like we're going to a party and he throws away the second joint so if that has pcp and i struggle to believe i think he would stub it out and put it in his pocket that's a good point and also i did notice that i was like if i were if i were uh the dj west bentley i would be like, wait, dude, go, why would you just,

you just flicked like a full joint into the alleyway. It was very, it's very presumptuous. I know. It's highly presumptuous. If I was, if I was Zicoli, I would immediately lose my cool,

but like he'd throw it away and then I'd be like, while he was getting in the car, I'd turn around and go and pick up his half, half, half. No,

but it's, it's, it's Zicoli is the one who has the three puffs and throws it down. Oh, he returns the favour. Yes. Well, in which case,

I don't have to be friends with either of them. I'm also in the alley. I see two guys throw away two joints and I go pick them both up and go home. You guys, Friday night, sorted. Your squirrel is what you're saying. You're going to... Yeah, yeah, I'm a squirrel.

Skitter out. Not the character, the animal. I go and have sex with some terrifying lady in a car who asks me where my nuts are. Oh, yeah, that scene is... Good. A little bit... It looks a little bit like an assault.

Yeah, definitely. And even says the next morning, says, can't believe you guys abandoned me with Sarah. Right. And you're like, sorry. There's a lot of stuff like that though because Jai Head's got visible markings on him from the night before when they meet up

in the top of the hill to get their payslip which is totally new guys don't do that New Zealand well we stopped doing it cuz we lost a lot of good people getting up that mountain yeah we're gonna stop doing this every single fortnight it just seems unnecessary honestly what we have started doing instead is online banking and is streamlined the entire economy I want to write that down Online banking But he says that girl was strong

Yeah she straight beat my No he says she straight beat my ass I thought I was strong And he does have markings on his face But that's a Listen let's get Let's put that in a movie you know That's me

Maximum Joseph Let's draw on that stuff Let's get the psychosexual element in there We're borrowing from the housing crisis Let's get some freudian shit in there let's uh play with the damaged character of zicole and those beautiful crying eyes of zach efron by taking away his parents maybe i don't know we won't explain it it's up to the audience it's like a rorschach test for emotions and and i think that you're right that there is enough there with those other characters that we don't know enough about this could have been like some hbo series you know if the movie had done well i think it was you guys i'm sure talking about the lowest wide

opening ever for a movie i think yeah it's got some record that you don't want to have if you're a movie yeah i'm trying to remember what it. It was like the lowest grossing wide released movie in history. So you as a film critic would have a deeper understanding of how this fits in with the general, I don't know, like the slate of releases. So you call it a, what was it, a mid-August curio? Oh, yeah. So August in the US, I don't know how it is in New Zealand,

but in the US, August, there's usually like one movie that they kind of want to win Oscars, like Detroit, Catherine Bigelow's film. It's been like The Help in the past or Meryl Streep in some, you know, Florence Foster Jenkins or something like that. So there's usually that movie, one shitty action movie that they are dumping.

Like this year, it was like The Dark Tower. And then there's just all this other weird little small stuff. And this falls under the umbrella of weird little small stuff exactly yeah and i mean you know ephron at the time was kind of still hot off of neighbors so which everyone was buying high on ephron after neighbors yeah i was like here okay like because i think the thing about what neighbors did for ephron uh that his other stuff hadn't yet was it um it gave him the kind of like straight guy stamp of approval for young men right they were like oh that it's the guy from that funny seth rogan comedy like not oh it's the guy from charlie

st cloud or high school musical right yeah and so they were like all right we did it like his managers or agents were like we did we crossed the threshold and now we're in it and now we're going to do this cool edm movie and and then it just completely fucking belly flopped on them um for reasons i i understand why people were like annoyed by this movie as a premise before even seeing it or based on a trailer um but it's always a difficult thing to make a film like this about a specific subculture and particularly using hollywood a-listers or one and surrounding it by other you know reasonably prominent actors and not piss off the target group you're dealing with yeah and the thing about and think about the

my like appreciation for this movie is that edm at least in the in the um the iteration that it exists in this movie is probably the first major cultural thing that i just was too old for like i just i come it's like i like even like pokemon like i was aware of it when i was like in high school yeah but this is like i just turned around and i was like what the fuck are these kids doing and so can i ask a personal question richard how old are you i'm 34 34 okay so i'm just i mean obviously just at the cutoff yeah and obviously there's like electronic music going back years like obviously but but this particular kind of the culture that's being shown in this movie it's but it's dubstep adjacent yeah which was something that happened yeah sort of probably towards the end of my high school

yeah it would be about 2006 i'd say 2000 right yeah yeah and so i guess the problem is for me like assessing this movie is like what i find interesting and perhaps i mean i obviously the pseudoscience of the bpm and all that that's i know that that's probably bullshit but but i what i find interesting people who actually live in that culture or know that would present the movie so stupid yeah you know they're missing the point and that's going to keep happening to me the older i get right but like this was maybe the first example of me being like well gee those kids seem interesting and totally missing it well but i i uh i would say i i i came closer to skirting around the world that the movie inhabits than you did. And I've, yeah, even that bothered me.

Even as a comedian, it bothered me, the notion of them trying to represent, you know, some young hungry person pursuing their dream. So I just felt like, I don't know, I just don't, I didn't believe that they could. Why are you going to be so angry, bro? They were trying something. I know they tried something. What are you talking about? There's a backlog of us saying, you know, you know alternating between well they sort of got close to something

this time or no they didn't well richard's opening my eyes to another possibility another door that we didn't see which is maybe this movie's good nah that's not good because you'd know you'd feel it even you might not enjoy it but you'd still feel whether or not it's good i mean the interesting thing about what you guys are doing and have done in other seasons, I'm led to believe, is you're past good and bad. Yeah. Like, this is now just part of the texture of your life. So it's not worth it to say,

this thing I have to expose myself to every week is good or bad because, like, you can't do that. We tried to get close enough to it, as close as possible, to be able to review it. But then it turns out we were too close. So there will be a summative moment at the end of this

where you're like, okay, here's... I think it's like it's the end of a relationship that isn't working where, you know, you take four or five years and you get perspective

and you go, well... How amazing would it be if when you broke up with someone, you gave it like a thumbs up or thumbs down at the end during that conversation? You have like an exit interview when i was inside when i was inside of that it was impossible to tell but online you

know that was actually really really something i think that what's going to happen is in maybe three or four years wherever you guys are living you're gonna one of you is gonna be walking down the street or both maybe at the same time in different parts of the world and you're gonna hear like a nail gun on a roof or a coin and you're and you're just going to have some flashback and you're going to cry there's uh i mean that yeah there have been numerous side effects from these ventures uh one of the most i think frustrating ones that i couldn't shake was after we did grown-ups two for a year was just having this like list this relentless list of grown-ups two lines ones that we'd wind up obsessing over or enjoying that I would insert into, you know,

opportune moments in conversation that there's no value. You weren't rewarded for the fantastic reference. Yeah, they're not funny standalone lines. No one else has the perspective that I'm referencing this movie I've seen 50 times. And it's just madness. And I think what you're describing

is a different version of that. Just out of curiosity, which movie do you think you've seen the most times,ard you know i was actually thinking about that on my way over because i was trying to think if i've ever seen a movie as many times as you guys have seen this or god i would hope not um i 58 i would say days and confused and clueless come close i've probably seen clueless more times than you guys have seen this wow would you and so you you go home you turn on the tv when i was in when did that movie come out 95 so i was 12 so when i was in middle school like the next year my sister and i bought the vhs which

we didn't buy a lot of videos we mostly rented and there was a school year where i think we watched at least part of that movie every day. This is a great film to this, to this day though, if you, so you walk into your house, you turn the TV on clueless is a third of the way through. Do you sit down and watch it the rest of it? Or are you just like,

I don't know how this happened. I don't know how this, um, it depends on my mood. I mean, it depends on what point I can jump in on it at, you know, like if it's after the kind of turn where like she realizes she likes Paul

Rudd, like probably not. I tend to like the earlier parts of movies you know because you always turn on it turn on the tv and the end is happening but you never catch the beginning right yeah so um so yeah that and daisy confused like certainly i've seen many many many times and daisy i mean what's your relationship with these movies like now because you did it under different circumstances whereby you were volunteering one of love surely we were volunteering yeah no one of love one of obsession um i um days are confused i recently re-watched um not not too long ago

maybe this summer um and it's such a good movie it's i just still i mean i liked it in different ways right like i was maybe a little sad knowing that what what you know what all these actors look like now or whatever you know whatever it was um so it adds this you know like when i was a kid i was like these older teenagers are so cool and like a little scary but i really like them and um you know and i think that that that dynamic has obviously changed now that i'm i was you know now that i watch things that i loved in high school about well that's the crazy thing about dazed and confused you get older they stay the same age exactly they're forever um i don't know if they've done what they must have had their 20 i don't know like their

next big anniversary they should be on the all the whatever technology we're watching movies on there the tagline should be you get older it stays the same age it's brilliant it's really going to bring people into people love being told they get older Yeah They're getting older Hey listen Let's Let's sing a song Yeah Three Okay I was gonna start then But no

One Two Three Four One Two Three Four

Getting sentimental With James Reid Now I believe that we have forewarned you somewhat as to what that represents. The moment in the movie when James Reid from The Feelers gifts under the guise of sentimentality what is purportedly a laptop to Zicole the crying DJ.

A MacBook Pro, right? Yeah. Our theory, in which there was a supporting document we found in the movie this week, which was pretty cool, is that don't leave that hanging you got to explain at least i was sort of looking to you for it i know you didn't give it so sleepy yeah so we it was actually richard lawson who found this out on his second watch of the movie which is an indictment on us that uh zicoli when he's working on the song after he's given the

macbook pro box he's using his old machine, his old computer. With the stickers on it, right? With stickers on it. But then he brings the new machine later on in the movie again to the music festival to play the song, at which point in the viewing today, Guy posited that he is improv-ing because the song's on the other laptop.

All the file, yeah, all of his recordings. He brought the wrong briefcase to the big meeting. Yeah, exactly. The song sucks so much. But anyway but so our theory of course is that the sentimental gift is in fact not a macbook pro but something which is hilariously placed within a macbook pro box my question for you then richard what's in the box uh well um it's gwen othello's head which i'm sure you've made many times uh no no no. Not a goop fan. Yeah.

You know that they call it, she calls it, I think fans of her newsletter Goop are called Goopies. Jesus. How in fuck's name do you get that? Hello, Goopies. So visual.

No, I don't know how Reed, James Reed, would know this, but what's actually in the box is a perfectly pressed little pair of fuchsia boxer briefs in the style of the ones worn by squirrel in the pool oh that's nice yeah yeah and it's a little bit romantic of a gift a little bit sexy a little bit suggestive but but that's what it is it's a very curious gift because that opens up all sorts of um uh uh you

know the lives of our lead characters become even more enmeshed at this point we already know that zeus fron and somaly have potentially pretty liberal with the naming schemes yeah have had sex in las vegas or potentially you know they've at least fooled around a little bit um and you what do you think this is a a come on i think that there is a homoerotic tinge to the movie that is only sometimes cut with either emily ratajkowski or like some random other woman but like and especially in that first scene that squirrel does not want seem to want to have sex with that woman yeah he seems to have been much more invested in efron so i i'm just i'm i i think that that if that was what was in

the box it would be the sort of choose your own adventure where okay now this is going to be a game movie i love a love triangle whereby uh hey i'm walking here i don't know if the mics pick that up and i don't know why someone doesn't often just walk by as well to a car honk um it would have been such an interesting dynamic to have skrill in love with zeus fron and zeus fron in love with, but Zayce Fron still respecting Squirrel as by far the best friend in that group, the best person, and then him dying. That's a lot to unpack. They even have that romantic beach scene, and Squirrel is like, I come here all the time,

and you're like, okay, what's that? What's his inner life? Why is he driving to the beach by himself? Is he there thinking about Squirrel? That's true, and another point, when they all jump into the pool at the apartment or the house they rent, you said, this girl's wearing...

Very gay underwear. Gay underwear. And it's underwear of a certain type that you would see in a certain type of adult film, worn by a certain type of gay performer. A twink, as they're called. And it's just a funny little detail. And I'm sure it was not conscious.

I'm sure there are straight kids who wear that underwear. But it's just like, to me, I was sort of like, oh, conscious i'm sure there are straight kids who wear that underwear but like it's just like to me i was sort of like oh that's not because all the other boys are wearing like broey underwear if there is such a thing but you clocked it and you thought i did clock it yeah maybe which is maybe gross with me but i know no no no i noticed not at all you got to observe what you observe when you watch the movie i didn't mention it i didn't really you know see at the first viewing so that's why that's why you watch a movie i guess welcome to our first 57 times I saw the flick.

So, you know, we can all be forgiven, I think. But so a sexy little pair of underwear. I love that. I love it. Do you like that? I love it so much because it's like, it's titillating without being, what's the word I'm looking for?

To me. Like over the top yeah it suggests uh an element of collaboration in the gift giving because he's doing it in front of his partner sophie so it would suggest to me that she is somehow involved in this idea like they as a couple but well or or you know if you if someone gifted you a new computer right and it's in the shrink wrap it's you're not going to open it in front of them if that's a process oh yes that read knows that he's going to go home and open it in private and there will be underwood how fucking bummed would you be if you thought for a full day that someone had bought you a new macbook and then you came home

and it was underwear do you know though i think that his confusion would immediately mitigate how bummed he was because he'd be like, oh, it's not a laptop. But hold on a second. I'm pretty sure I'm in love with Sophie. And now this guy who is like also purportedly in love with Sophie and is trying to help my career is giving me these foxy little undies. I'm going to put these on and get squirrel over here. Maybe he wants to be bummed.

Maybe. Well, yeah, but he'll help me. A little on the nose, actually. That's my being honest. Sorry. But, you know, if he's like, Squirrel, come over. You need to help me figure out what this gift is.

Squirrel walks in. Zace Fromm's parading around his, what is it? Is it a pool house? Yeah, it is a pool house. And his auntie's going, why would James Reed give me these? Suddenly you've got four moving parts, you know, in terms of sexual chemistry and dynamic,

which makes for a much more interesting film than... You've introduced like three individual gay threads in the film. And I am delighted by the possibility with my remaining two watches to insert that into my viewing experience, Richard. They're barely truly a gift. I'm glad.

They don't give Sophie anything to do in the movie. So why wouldn't you just, why wouldn't you make, you know, why wouldn't you focus on that? Yeah. They obviously find the relationships between the bros so much more interesting. And there's something about this movie

because it's younger. It's, you know, a little, I mean, I wouldn't describe this movie as woke by any means, but like, it's just, it has a different sensibility than Entourage was such, like the idea that Entourage would ever be homoerotic to me is fucking repulsive and maybe

it's because these people are more attractive or whatever but like this movie like it it's it has a tender side to it and they're bro-y enough that they would struggle with it it wouldn't be a smooth sailing transition right figuring that out about themselves but it would be an interesting process to watch someone have to unwrap right Right. And I don't think that they, I don't think anyone in that group of friends would be like, it would be like the kind of like, I'm gay. And they'd be like,

Oh, cool, bro. Like, let's get a beer. Like, you know, that kind of like stupid shit.

We know, we know. Yeah. Nothing's changed, you know, where it's like, well, yeah,

something did change, but you know, I think that that's how it would be if, maybe if they did a sequel, but although it was squirrel dead, he's our into that world. So I just don't know know we don't do this nearly enough and we should probably wrap up on this but if we have time do you have to go right now i'm good as gold richard do you have to go in a big no i'm i have a couple hours this shan't take long but uh just a couple hours is what it's

going to take we're great but we used to... How much time exactly? Literally two hours and 25 minutes. That is perfect because that's usually roughly how this segment times out. And it's all you. It's all in front. Perfect. Could you pitch us?

We are going to be network executives at a film studio. We have a lot of money and we're very interested in investing it in one of your ideas. And that idea is the sequel to We Are Your Friends. And we would love for you to pitch us a sequel yeah and so you know uh as soon as i finish this sentence tim and i are going

to be in characters uh you know high power before you do finish that sentence because i know that that's my first stop i think i said network executive at the start and i don't think that makes sense no we're high powered studios yes studio execs. Yes, studio execs. We've got a lot of money. We want to make a movie. You're coming into our office right now. So, should I just pitch? Sorry, excuse me. What's your name? Oh, hi, hi, hi.

My name's Richard. I'm here for the We Are Your Friends 2 pitch meeting. Hi, Richard. My name is Mr. Bat. This is my colleague, Mr. Montgomery. Oh, you're that very formal Hollywood studiowood studio that i've heard about yeah yeah well i'm mr loss and then okay um and and i and i have this idea it's just a little treatment and i i just want to read can i like just kind of summarize it for you because you don't mind if i count this stack of money in front of you while

you while you pitched you know i would be uncomfortable if you didn't okay perfect yeah um so in we are your friends 2 uh it takes place five years later after the events of the first film uh in which cole carter has sort of embarked on his artistic success um he's in uh ibiza which is an island in spain um oh i've been to ibiza my man i'm you're right i should have i should have assumed and if you ever want a good time you should go to one of Mr. Bat's fuck parties in Ibiza I don't want to

brag but Silvio Berlusconi said it was the most disgusting thing he's ever attended he added bunga bunga

Silvio Berlusconi was repulsed by the fuck party that this guy threw in Ibiza disgraced media magnate and former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi. You can't even use his real name.

You can't look him in the eyes. Sorry. That's fine. That's a fascinating bit of trivia about Italy's... Psychically damaged is how he described his aftermath. Go ahead. Sorry. So he's in Ibiza and he gets a phone call from his...

$10 million, by the way. I'm a very fast counter. Oh, well done. That's what $10 million looks like. Oh, great. And what's the budget? What would the budget... Well, I guess it would depend on what the pitch is.

The budget for... This is just for lunch. Oh, wow. God. ULA types. So he gets a phone call from his erstwhile friend, Gus or Randy. What's the blonde guy? I don't remember Gus or Randy from the first film, but I'm very interested to meet them both.

Please tell us about Gus and Randy. The character played by noted actor Johnny Weston. Jarhead. Jarhead, thank you. So he gets a call that jarhead shock of shocks is getting married oh so he travels back and he's now he's like a big city or big you know traveling the world dj guy and his friends are mostly the same uh he hasn't spoken to emily ratajkowski's character in some time and so it's something of a homecoming for him sort of not like the graduate exactly but like

and and and the conflict like spider-man like like spider-man exactly right um the conflict is that his old mentor uh played by wes bentley um is himself now trying to make a comeback and he's now relying on cole carter to help him so the tables have turned the mentor becomes the mentee so it's a bit about like returning to your home after you've grown up and had some success and it's also about helping and realizing that your heroes are human too i like the sound of this i'm gonna circle back to the part that really grabbed me. This guy, Randy. What's his deal? So he's a new character.

Yeah. He's sort of the Poochie of the second film. Does he skateboard? Yeah. So he was a guy who, he does, oh, he skateboards the whole time. He's never not on a skateboard.

He turns out to be, so do you remember Squirrel from the first film who died? Yeah. So he turns out to be this. You know we had to kill him in real life. Oh, that's how that works. Yeah. I thought that was just kind of

like an old wives tale. No, no. Oh, wow. It's called method film production. Wow, God. There's so many actors I can think of that's tragic. Yeah.

But Squirrel had secretly in the bin when he was alive, not when he was dead, when he was alive had been secretly messaging on some sort of mess like gay message board and this is like his virtual online boyfriend randy oh so randy enters the picture wanting answers randy's from out of state randy wants justice for squirrel and he knows that that code yet cody cole whatever yeah gus and all the others were involved somehow in squirrel's death so there's that that code yet cody or cole whatever yeah gus and all the others were involved somehow in squirrel's death so there's that that's kind of the b thriller plot so he somehow catches win because presumably cole is playing he's djing at the wedding or something and so he sees cole's

back in town and he thinks i'm gonna go here's my chance holy heck yeah because the wedding because because um jarhead is such a cheese ball he makes like posters like that would be like a club promoting poster but for his wedding and it's like featuring dj cole carter straight from abitha or whatever give me yeah the genres that this film interacts with um it's homecoming dramedy it's uh thriller revenge thriller um and there's a little um oh and it's um and it's like a redemption drama because of uh west bentley's character well romance i look i hope i'm not speaking out of turn here when i say this is a hard pass for me uh and could you please get the fuck out of my house i just ordered 11 million dollars worth of hamburgers for lunch oh and the

movie is called r Randy exclamation mark oh that's gonna be an absolute U-turn from me could you please take this money I'll pay for the hamburgers

with my credit card I haven't seen a more irresponsible bout face since the infamous Ibiza party I hosted in 2011

attended by none other than former United States President Bill Clinton Who by the way Is a bigger freak Than you would even think

As soon as the cameras aren't around That guy Fucks When Silvio Berlusconi Walked in on what Bill Clinton Was doing That I think was the turning point

For him Where his eyes popped out of his sky And he said Mamma mia It's a bit much for me That is a direct quote from the former prime minister himself i haven't seen anything quite like it uh you would think it was a poorly drawn racial stereotype if you weren't there witnessing that identical phrase being spoken by former italian in that exact cadence why was he wearing a chef's hat and like a red kerchief but Oh, look, it's part of the Prime Minister outfit.

Well, everyone's got a role at the party. And yeah, so we kind of draw names. Well, normally you draw names out of a hat, but I think you can use your imagination. It's not a hat that we draw them out of. Yeah. It's Sylvia Berlusconi's asshole. That's, yeah.

Well, look, congratulations. We're making a movie together. Thanks. Thank you so much for taking the time. And insane. Well done, everybody. Thanks for everyone. That was fantastic.

That was really fun. Richard, thank you so much for taking the time to join us. Thank you for having me. I feel especially honored that this is almost at the end of your long journey into madness because I feel like it just gives me an interesting perspective on where you're at, where I'm at, where the world's at. I think it's just... There's other ways to consume movies is what we're saying.

I think that's right. Yeah. I don't know if you've watched any of the New York City Marathon over the weekend, but you see some people who are like, you should have stopped running like 10 miles ago you are you finishing this is not worth the hardship it's causing you yeah that's what you just sat down and talked to essentially yeah yeah do you know that there is a theory um that i think i find pretty credible that a few years ago back when

she was still with tom cruise that katie holmes faked running the marathon the new york city marathon what why because she was seen at the starting line and then seen at the finish line with Tom Cruise. But when she arrived at the finish line, she was still wearing a sweatshirt, hair perfect, no sweat, and then hours later was seen at an event wearing heels after running 26 miles, supposedly.

Fuck, I love that. Conspiracy theory. Definitely. I love a good conspiracy theory about Katie Holmes. Do you think Tom Cruise put her up to that? At the time, I think it was trying to make everything look healthy. And obviously, Scientology prizes, you know, the wellness and everything. And I think they were just trying to show, like, look how…

Let's wrap this podcast up. Who's speculating that Cain… We have managed to avoid pissing off the Church of Scientology so far in the some three and a half years. And we're not going to let you drag us down that fucking drain hole. Nice try, Richard. That was my goal the whole time. Thank you so much now if people want to

find you online they can do that on twitter yeah at richard lawson it's just rye laws r-i-l-a-w-s and

richard lawson is taken by beyonce's stepdad who is also named richard lawson congratulations to him god who would have thought he took to twitter faster than you

i know isn't that weird that is crazy uh secondly your book that is coming out in february next year is called all we can do is crazy secondly your book that is coming out in February next year is called All We Can Do Is Wait and your podcast

Little Gold Men can you tell us what's the book about it's a young adult novel set in Boston a sort of like a disaster

kind of accident happens and these kids go to a hospital and they all meet each other and it goes into flashbacks into their lives and they learn lessons about love and loss

and incredible yeah congratulations man look forward to reading that as for Tim and I if you want to see us live once again flashbacks into their lives and they learn lessons about love and loss and incredible yeah congratulations man look forward to reading that uh as for tim and i if you want to see us live once again we are doing a show at new york at the bell house theater at 7 p.m on november 29 you gotta come you've really gotta come you've gotta come and you've got to bring people man you gotta stop sounding so hungry uh and then we're going to be wrapping this thing up once and for all our last ever live worst idea of all for all our last ever live worst

idea of all time show our last ever episode live or not live taking place on December the 1st at the Nerd Melt showroom in Los Angeles California

thank you so much for listening hey let me say this we've got special guests for both shows and maybe we'll talk about that more

later except definitely New York because we've already announced no we haven't oh name redacted you fucking mess i'll edit that yeah cool hey richard again thank you so much it's been an absolute pleasure having you on thanks guys and good luck with the very the tail end of your uh journey i i think you're gonna make make it. Bim yi kai me. Namaste. Ow! This movie's still fine.

There's a colleague, a pastor, one of the guys that goes screw. One of them's a hottie. His name is Jay. One of them looks like Johnny Depp

and his name is Johnny Depp. Classic Maximum Joseph. I agree. Ah! You forget that films are supposed to have a point.