The Worst Idea Of All Time - Lisa’s Dad Died. Again.

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

The boiz are joined by comedian Rachel Kaly to discuss the finer details of Lisa Todd-Wexley’s hot editor who uses iMovie/marriage conflicts/dad dying (for the second time in this show???). Guy gets freaked out by how quickly a real-world proximity to the stars of this show can be attained with dealing with an American guest. Rachel explains how this show is actually MANY, MANY different shows all in one. Tim can’t get enough of a faux-animal print, faux-leather jacket wearing woman named Lucille - another beautiful pot and/or pan from the kitchen of MPK.Follow Rachel: instagram.com/rachel.kalySupport us to find out if Lisa's dad will pass away a third or fourth time: twioat.substack.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What an absolutely calamitous intro. How do I get rid of that? How do you reckon guy? Welcome to the worst idea of all time live stream as we tackle what episode is it six or seven? Episode six of and just like that. This one was called Silent Mode. And we'll be making some noise about it. And it's not just your esteemed boys today. We're joined by the incredible in London via New York City itself, Rachel Kelly. Hey, Rachel. Yes. Hey, Rachel.

Can you see and hear me? I can see you. I can hear you. I get the sense that you are the way you're slapping your palm to your forehead, that you are exhausted either by us, or by the work you've done, or by the fact that I've reminded you you've traveled from New York to London. Yeah, I'm pretty upset about how much I've been traveling, but it's completely by choice. I'm sorry that you regret your own decisions. No worries. Much like when Carrie takes a plane to Virginia, which makes no sense. Run us through that.

Am I right? Let's dig in. She lives in New York City, getting to Virginia, which makes no sense. Run us through that. Am I right? Let's dig in. She lives in New York City, getting to Virginia. How difficult is this by an alternative mode of transport? Gotta be four hours on the train. That is a perfect train ride, from my estimation. You could crack out like a movie or two. You could binge an entire series of something.

She could write a fucking book. She could do some work. No, as instructed. She could meet an entire series of something. She could write a fucking book. She could do some work. No, as instructed. She could meet Biden. That's right. He takes the train. But as instructed by our very own Seema in this episode, riding the train is hazardous to your health.

It could impact your ability to walk. That's right. Hey, Rachel, thanks so much for coming on the pod. It's a delight to have you here. I think we should probably pull back the curtain a little bit. Semi-chaotic circumstances. Guy turned up about fucking 10 minutes late to the livestream. Which was nuts. Really? Wait, I was late too.

I didn't even know that. Because I got you the link pretty late. So here's Timbo sweating his balls off. And Guy presumably somewhere else as well and Rachel presumably just spitting your balls off but for different reasons. Exactly. Well yeah I guess I wasn't late I was just waiting. You were fashionable. That's that's that's alright. Now Rachel I've not seen you for I would guess six or so years it's been a minute yeah Yeah, and I follow you. You've been touring your incredible live show

Rachel Kelly's hospital hour it would seem around the world perhaps part of why you're traveling and exhausted by it so much And I'm excited. I'm excited for you. I mean the reviews it's by all accounts. It's an incredible show It's not what we had to talk about at all But what I don't want to talk about what really caught my eye recently is, you know, we've been back and forth and on Instagram a little bit about this show, and you posted an image of yourself after I can't remember what episode exactly. And you had a similar sort of exhausted look as you do. Now, where was a screenshot of you and the caption was something along the lines of I identify with Carrie Bradshaw and you know, I'm in love with her in love with her. Yeah, and you were exhausted by it Well, because she's it's not right. She's everyone hates her and like what does it say about me that I'm like Yeah, I would live in that house with her And like, what does it say about me that I'm like,

yeah, I would live in that house with her. Well, can you can you tell me about being in love with Carrie Redshaw, where it started and how it's going with the present day iteration? Of course. Well, I think honestly, it's a little bit that thing of like, do you want to fuck them or do you want to be them? Where I'm like, I love designer clothes. Yeah. So obviously, even though so many of her outfits are heinous And and have you seen her talk about on podcast where she's like really proud of the work they've done I'm not I've not followed any BTS on the season and just like that

I we are sort of consuming and discussing this in a vacuum. I don't want guys actually pretty aggressive about it I don't want to cross my mental streams with the the intention of the text I saw it I saw it SJP on the Adam Friedland show that's that's about the totality of my sort of external research on the show that's pretty I didn't watch the whole episode I saw the clips of that and I thought I mean she's charming she's so charming in it you know what her son follows me on Instagram. Really? Wow. You know what and actually I think a little bit that was the logic behind posting I'm in love with Carrie Bradshaw because I've been shitting on the show so much and I was like you know what her son follows me I gotta throw him a bone.

Do you know that's incredible because and it's actually a testament to Sarah Jessica Parker's acting skills because Carrie plays a self-interested and oblivious person who is so devoid of the sort of selflessness that would require to have children so convincingly that I am Genuinely surprised to learn that Sarah Jessica Parker has children. Is this with Matthew Broderick? Matthew Broderick, I believe they have two kids, maybe three. But her son seems totally nice. He likes my post if you're listening.

Or is there, Rachel, hold on one second. Rachel, you're coming through super quiet, so I don't know if you could get closer to whatever mic you're using, whatever. Is this better or it's worse? That's really good. That's actually great. Oh great, I'll just hold it.

How did he come to follow you? Is that because of your Ford-facing career and public profile? Or because you've met him in the wild? You know, it's hard to say. I mean, I've never met him to my knowledge. But he, I think he's an actor too? Not that I'm an actor, by the way. That's not what I'm saying. But you can act, you know.

Sure, sure. And can I ask what surname did he go for? I actually don't know. Should I look? Is this like an invasion of his privacy? But if he's public, hold on. While we're doing the Google guy, you look fantastic. Thank you. I like what you're wearing today. Is this a Chelsea piece? This is a Chelsea Preston-Crayford.

You couldn't say original, but it's borrowed from the either wardrobe or archive. And thank you. I feel fantastic. It took me a little bit to do the buttons up, because of course, woman's blouses are counterintuitive. There we go. Oh, I see.

We've got a Broderick. Is this OK? I'm going to follow him now. I willake is this okay I'm gonna follow him now I will say oh you weren't following him before but he was following you oh it felt like it's like I don't know he looks totally friendly yeah sure he's a great guy I'm sure he's a great guy surajiska park is your mom she's one of the most like he's with Adam Friedle. He's with Adam Friedle. I said that is all you're connecting the tissue between the interview.

New York City doesn't have as many people as that have us believe. I've got to say, this dress was quite alarming is how in talking to you for five minutes, how much more accessible these people seem to me as people and how. Yeah. Well, I have another connection. Go ahead Please tell me it's no cutting him No, who's that ready? Oh Yes, wait, I do know him too no because

Yeah, my friends went to college with him Wow. What's the report? Totally normal guy. Yeah, fuck.. That's what I want to hear. I want to hang out with Brady. But also, wait, I want to hear what you guys think about him. I thought he was very charming this episode. I think his acting has leveled up in between seasons. I genuinely think he's bringing the noise. When he was sending the meme, he only got about 15 seconds of screen time,

but he lit it up. I believed every decision he made. And then today, I thought it was a very good portrayal of a son meeting an adult parents, new partner and being like, I'm going to, I'm going to turn it on for mom, I'm going to put on the charm offensive. And as it was set up, you know, like his performance required that because it was set up in the relationship between Miranda and joy that joy is she's very cuspy about whether or not she gets into you know, no, she hates kids

She hates partners kids. Yeah, but she made a 180 pretty quick Well, it's the way to a woman a way to a lesbian's heart is through a couple of dogs and we'll know that Sappho the dog that should be illegal What would you make of Niles Niles performance of saying, what are these, the best dog names ever? I was like, okay, take it easy. Your mom's fucking joy. Right. Let's not all go after joy.

I'm with Rachel on this. I like that too. To me, it spoke of like, here's a guy trying, like, you know, maybe not succeeding for the social dance, perfectly executed, but he's doing his best. Doing his best. I think what was overkill was him being like, I guess I have to talk to you, huh? You know, that was when I was like, you've crossed the line.

That's actually the bit I liked. I was like, yes, lad on thick, brother, that's right. So by all accounts, a normal guy. We became consumed because we did Sex and the City II, 52 weeks in a row, the movie. Oh my god. And Brady, it was a young Nile and he has a rat maze that wins him a science prize and we became consumed by the subprime of the relationship between the rats and Brady

and what it means for New York City. So he's a side character with whom we are consumed and interested. And enamored, I would say. So to know him now... We refer to him as the Rat King of New York City, and we've had a lot of fan art pursuers. So to know him now is just this regular guy called Niall who went to college with your friends. Again, the world is shrinking, and I don't know if the law is going stronger.

Anyway, anyway, anyway. We're getting into some holes. Rachel, I want to hear what you thought of this episode babe what did you reckon you know what I'm at my wits end with this show go on and go because what the hell is going on is that the general consensus between you guys as well I I'm someone who I engage with the show on its terms I don't think it needs to be prestige TV I like that it's treating me like the idiot who's hungry for sex in the city slop that I am.

I'm enjoying it. I think the decisions made by everyone are consistently confounding. I think Charlotte is in a totally different program at the moment where her life seems to be rooted in the reality that we share. Like I actually wrote down the sentence, God gives his toughest battles to his, I think, most wealthy soldiers.

Wow. And he gives his most trivial ones to his daftest bitches. Is that New Testament that you're quoting there? I don't know where I got it from, but. Might be the Torah. I just thought, yeah, I think it's a confounding show. Absolutely. But tell us more about your feelings on that.

It's about seven different shows. Each time we jump to a character, you're watching a new show. Seema is in Friends. Carrie, Carrie is still in Sex and the City, I think. I think she is, but we've all moved on from it. Right, right, right. Miranda is in like the Queer Ultimatum. You guys know about this show on Netflix?

Yeah, I know about the Queer Ultimatum show, yeah. I do have to say though, I think she's the best actress on the show. Cynthia. And she's the other connection I have, yes. Yeah, oh. How do you know her? She used to be married

to my high school English teacher, Dr. Moses. Oh my goodness. And then she became a lesbian. Wow. Was roller derby involved? I've just been dealing with a few friends personally recently who have lost their wives to roller derby, to lesbianism via roller derby. Because they became lesbian?

Well, you know, a lot of lesbians are becoming straight as well. Because of the conservative times we live in you know i'm not sure but you guys know about like jojo siwa yeah yeah not tragically no i have managed to sidestep almost entirely the jojo siwa narrative you gotta dig in because actually she was dating an australian i believe oh yeah you guys are australian yeah that's right oh Oh, we don't care. We're fine. We're so over everything at this point. I heard a good theory actually from another podcast that's on our podcast network, Rats in the gutter that all the lesbians are grabbing partners now because fascism is on the rise. So it's sort of out of self preservation.

Ah, would we call that a reverse beard? Because traditionally it's queer men with wives to appear straight and now do we have... Which is funny because it's called a beard. Yeah. So what do you call it if it's a guy? Landing strip. Rachel. Yeah, I don't know. Gobble that mic up Rachel and let's go through what other shows are covered off within. Can you hear me still? We're with you. We're absolutely great. I forgot I didn't bring my podcast mic to London. I haven't done a podcast in a while. I gotta say you're great at it. This is the first podcast guest or host, you know, as a co-host of this particular episode, who's broadcasting the entire thing with their head in their hand.

Just beaten down. I think it's an outstanding energy to bring. Well, I mean, everything is just going horrible. The show, etc. All right. Let me dig in a little. Yeah. What was I talking about? This was my biggest gripe with the show with this episode and I have a lot Some are small some are big but my biggest gripe is when Lisa Todd week. That's her name, right? Yeah

LSW yeah is LTW in LTW. Thank you. I was W is like when you're a social worker She's in the editing room and they're basically making this thing that is like supposed to be like the highlight of her career and it looks like they're making an iMovie. Yeah. She's been working on that project for eight years. It looked to me like it was on PowerPoint because they were throwing to some like stupid animation on screen and then the thing that that she had me and she was like Oh my god, that is perfect because they were hot editor Marion had done like, you know, just fucking edited

It's they use the Ken Burns effect on I'm on a on a still photo of someone Yeah, and she's like you read my mind Incredible and it's like what? This can't be the energy I also I know you know look there's gonna be a lot of this going down a cul-de-sac but being in the edit suite with the director of the project for every minute like let the guy do his work and then come and check the dailys or something of how he's doing. I also think an issue is that because she is attracted to Marion, her sort of, you know, her ability to,

her critical assessment ability has been thrown out the window. So this is a project she's been working on with someone who she's in a very healthy working and, you know, platonic relationship with. Yeah. You get a hot editor in, you want to bone him, and all of a sudden everything, you're signing off on everything you're compromising the integrity of a project you've been building towards for eight years I'm just cutting on I know we're talking about the things that we're

pissing you off but I kind of want to jump on your train go ahead this fucking show keeps setting up like genuine moments of tension, like where it's like they've stumbled into a real thing and then immediately fucking diffuse it. Like the whole point of drama and comedy is building tension and release, but they like they'll build up to something and then immediately remove it. So in this case, what they do is they,

like this has been building across multiple episodes, full credit to the team, they so really do this the Lisa Todd Wexley and hot editor Marion thing has been fucking simmering up a storm And I actually feel like we're getting to a bit of a crescendo and then fucking Herbert walks in right at the moment We're either they're gonna kiss or Herbert's gonna figure out that like she's got the hots for her editor and that's gonna be a thing And you're gonna be dealing with either of those two interesting possibilities The show goes knock knock. Hey Lisa your dad's dead now fucking park everything else and let's introduce this Your dad's dad and the whole thesis of his life is he was there for his family

So if you leave your husband for Marion, you are doing a disservice to your father. Oh I wish. Also by the way. I wish they'd sewn that together but that's you. That's you doing the writer's job. I know. But I saw a clip today that where Lisa talks about her dad dying in season one. Hmm. There's a clip where Lisa's like, yeah, when my dad died last year and then says something, she says that in season one. Yo. And now her dad dies in season three. Yo, they're not watching the show.

The writers aren't watching the show. It's it's it's the way that they approach it. This would sort of make sense as when you're a child. You remember in school, you do a project where you'd fold a piece of paper up and one person would draw the head and then you'd pass it over. And the next person would draw the shoulders down to the torso without seeing the head. That is the passing of the mantle. Episode to episode, season to season.

Certainly. We haven't seen what came before. I can't wait yet. And the next episode, Aidan and Carrie are going to walk into a cafe and Mr. Big's going to be sitting there. Oh my God, I wish I was thinking about him today. I will say, what were you thinking about him, Rachel? Well, I guess I was more wondering, like, what would the show be with him? Canceled? Arguably more problematic.

Yeah. The real Mr. Big, I read an article recently. He's living on a ranch in like Vermont or something. Not Chris North, not the actor, but the guy who Mr. Big is based on. I thought it was Trump. No, Trump existed in the world of the show. He was in the first episode, he was introduced as like a mini, like Mr. Big was... Trump-like.

Yeah, referenced in canon was Trump-like. Yeah. Referenced in Canon as Trump-like. Okay. Wow. That's incredible. Interesting. Everyone's doing great. So we've got, um, I do want to kind of check off all the things that are going on in this episode, cause it's important that the audience knows what's happening

in the show. I, I've, I would like to talk a little more about SEMA because I last episode and you know, they laid all the breadcrumbs out for us. I was saying this season, it's going to be the humbling of SEMA. SEMA has been given the unenviable task of, you know, filling the void left by Samantha Jones, a role that absolutely no one could fulfill. And they've sort of been having a riding high on her real estate business. This season, they've started hollowing

out her life. So the last in the last episode, she's getting dealt a pretty tough hand. And they're like, you know, you might have to lose your driver. And she's I'm not losing my driver. Yeah, I was like that we're gonna watch the humbling of seem in real time. This was so they have genius we watch her having to let her driver go from the back of a brown Mercedes with the personalized license plate, SEMA. And then this is why we see her injured. She says, she's hobbling.

She goes, yeah, I caught the path train. These heels are not made for trains. They're made for drivers or something. She's been made for, I think she says like Mercedes. Driving in my Mercedes. She also, the only other storyline she has is she's trying to find an apartment for. Miranda. Miranda.

And doing a pretty damn good job. I think so too. Miranda. Yeah. Miranda's fucking me off in this think so too. Miranda. Yeah. Miranda's fucking me off in this episode, man. Yeah? Yeah. Big time. She goes to an apartment that Seema's found to her,

for her, that has fit all the criteria. And her, she gets to it, and Seema's like, guess what? In this current market, the only way you've got to hope in hell is by offering 150 above asking. And Miranda's like, I absolutely will not do that. It's like, okay, all good. You won't have this place then.

That's how that works. And then she's like, um, oh, it's kind of perfect. And then she hears a dog barking. And then she's like, it's not perfect. I can hear a dog barking. And then the next place she goes to is a problem because she can't bring dogs into there. So this fucking one rule for thee and another for you, whatever the fuck that is. Like Miranda is being the biggest hypocrite.

Well, I don't know if it's lazy writing or a shitty character, but either way, I was furious about this detail. Miranda's in, you know, she's working through some stuff with Joy and the dogs and figuring out what the future of her life looks like. She is the architect of all of this. She is an adult woman.

She's in her late 50s and she's earning like presumably half a million dollars at an NGO, which should be going to whatever the charity is, which again, I have forgotten because the show does not ever reference it. Yeah, I don't know what I was when the 150 K came up. I was like, does she have that much money where she can like reject it on principle and it's not like, oh, I can't afford this. Yeah, I didn't mind her rejecting it on principle as a New Yorker.

I do think more people need to put their foot down in terms of don't give you know, don't go over asking. It's not right. This is valuable insight. This is boots on the ground, New York city. Exactly. But there's someone else is always going to do it. Right.

It's the issue that they face there. Miranda's introduction of ethics to the world of real estate. I was like, well, this is, you know, this is going to be an exhausting storyline because you do not have the faculty or desire to actually get into what this is about. The NYC property market is famously the most ethical of financial situations you can get involved with. Do we know how long Joy and Miranda have been dating? Well, my guess?

Oh, dating? At this point in this episode, I'm going to say like two months, about eight weeks. Okay. I think that's about fair. The treatment of time is a little bit confusing in this show because Carrie refers to having not seen Adam for a few months when I think it was an episode or two ago, she was in Virginia. So every episode, like the storylines are picked up and so Harry has only had

cancer for like, you know, a few weeks, but in the world of the show, there's two months between episodes. Yeah, they are operating on different timelines, which is quite metaphysical of the show. Can we zoom so further afield to just go back to the SEMA thing, Rachel, can I ask what do you make of the character of SEMA and the way that she's been introduced and played with across the seasons and specifically this season? I mean, this season she's useless. Was this season the one with the dating? Yeah. Sherri O'Teary was in there. I didn't mind that. I actually think she out of all of the new cast members is the most compelling. Like I think she's like likable and like kind

of a bitch. Like she's no Samantha, but I'm, I'm here. I'd like to see her. I think she fits in with the girls, I guess. Whereas LTW and then who is the character that they just dropped? She was like, Marant, who's that? Shay is the no, no, no, no, no, that's a whole different story. No, there was the professor at Miranda at Miranda's. Oh, yes. Something name. What is her name? I honestly can't even remember this person.

Oh, Nia Nia Nia. I genuinely don't. We see her for one second. This like in that opening in the first episode this season she's in the like intro and then we never see her again with her husband who was a traveling musician. He was late. Yeah. Producers or a bandmate or something like that. We followed it. We followed her being single last season. This is classic Michael Patrick. You know, it's just there's a lot of, there's too many pots on the boil to correctly season all of them.

And sometimes you forget about one of them. I always say as well, we haven't even briefly mentioned my favorite storyline from this episode and character the introduction of Lucille who is the co-work well this sort of like the person who's been running the theater with Lisa Todd Wexley's dad for the last three years and she is fucking dying and again like talk about the half a dozen different TV shows operating in this one episode Rachel Rachel. Oh my God. It's genuinely shocking.

Lisa walks into this diner and we are dealing with an entirely separate genre. And in time, really like era, I'm back in the seventies. And so we've got this actually, I thought this was a great comedy beat, but the, the emotional whiplash in this episode between like, okay, we're dealing with sort of Rom-commy relationship shit because we open ish on Aidan gently throwing little pebbles at Carrie's window because he thinks it'll be cute to turn up like that and he fucking smashes this irreplaceable ancient glass. I was so glad that they made the decision for him to break the window. It would have been so annoying if it just worked and it was twee.

Oh, but I'm railroading myself now. Did anyone else wince when he sat on the glass? I thought the approach to cleaning up glass in this show is one of the most reckless things for public health and safety I've ever seen. He's picking up tiny fragments of glass with his fingers. And then once he's done that, you then see him sweep after he spent five minutes picking through the glass with his hands he then brings in a broom I was like this guy but then there's also a moment where he's he's like on top of the glass picking up the little pieces and he

fucking like puts his hand down and leans down to talk to Carrie and I actually fucking winced it reminded me of that time when guy we did the comedy show was Todd Barry in Los Angeles many many years ago. And during my like four minute set, someone sat on top of a glass and ripped their arsehole open with the glass. And then I walked up to the green room, because I couldn't make heads or tails of what happened, but they walked out during my set and I was like, I don't think I was that offensive. And then I walked up to the green room and the guy was like bent over and Todd Barry was dabbing this guy's like open wound

with vodka to clean it out to make sure it didn't get septic. I was like, this is crazy. That is crazy. His actual asshole? Like the buttock, the cheek. Sure. But a laceration. Full on cut.

That's tough. That must have been, uh, what, I wonder what material his pants were to have it go through. So seamlessly. I can't remember. And I wonder the speed with which they were sitting down to shatter a glass. Nuts. Absolutely nuts. But we, we, we were cycling through too many moments at once.

So we're going back to Aiden and Carrie and before Aiden and Carrie, we're back with Lucille. That's right. So Rachel, do you want to have a crack at describing Lucille? To me, she almost is like a 30 Rock character. You know, like she's so over the top that it's sort of like, and she's like, you weren't there when your dad died, which by the way, let's just one second, like Lisa must have had her phone off for a couple of hours. Like what are the odds she would have made it to the hospital before he died?

Right? Yeah, that's fair. I don't know. I was just a little bit like, okay, that's a little bit, everyone needs to relax a bit, but she was like, you weren't there when he died and like I was and, okay, that's a little bit, everyone needs to relax a bit. But she was like, you weren't there when he died. And like, I was. And he was always like, don't bother her, she's busy. And guess what?

He was right. And then suddenly we're like watching a couple of musicals. The main thrust of this, which is, I think, it was such a good comedy beat. And so Lisa Todd Wexley. We're about to get this moment of romantic tension in her marriage because she's got the hots for it. It's a, Herbert walks in and kind of sees this happening, but her but

it's there to deliver the news that her dad has died. And then Lucille gets introduced via an email saying, Hey, you're invited to your dad's funeral, which I'm doing. And she's made a theatre production at the theatre that he ran. That's I mean, it was it was the her character was funny. That's that again, you are right. It is in a different world from the show. But the whole glamorous funeral was funny. You know, Lisa Tolbeck and Lucille Highwater are sitting across from each other at a diner and she's going, look, all right, you know, Lisa Tobb-Wexley's coming around the idea that she's

going to be involved in the organization, maybe even showing respect towards Lucille for how involved she was with her father. She goes, look, but nothing too theatrical. And then Lucille, this was probably my shining light for the episode, goes, what exactly have I envisioned that as too theatrical? my shining light for the episode goes, what exactly have I envisioned that is too theatrical? Oh, really? It did make me laugh. I thought that's a great delivery. She knew how to play it. She looked incredible. And then she came out singing. That was funny. She came out with a headpiece to rival Sarah Jessica Parker herself. And it was one of the numbers from the musical Pippin, which musical theatre heads will know

is a very strange show from the 70s. Before we get into the actual thrust of the funeral or the memorial service, we have to address, so Lisa Salvesi accepts this. She says, okay, they're working together. She shows up at the funeral. It's all very somber. There's a fantastic sort of, you know, it's an elevated theatrical funeral, but also without going over the top or distracting from the fact that this is a celebration of someone's life.

It's tasteful. And Lucille says, you're on second to last, you've got three minutes. And he says, you know, three minutes my dad's funeral, that doesn't seem like much goes as your father said, no one was upset to leave the theatre early. We think, okay. Herbert says out loud. What does he say? It's nothing's going wrong. Yeah, I mean, like that, that we think we've arrived at sort of a happy collaboration or mutual understanding for what this is. And then the comedy beat of the reveal of Lucille coming out in

this headwear, and starting to sing the song is episode. And then they they use their favorite technique of like jump cutting through time to all of a sudden they're like Performers in different colored tops like the Wiggles who are finishing some sort of interpretive piece. Yeah. Oh my gosh It was so good. There was just this is thing this show like Cuz what I wrote down in my notes for this episode is and I think it was around that but I was like the Confusing thing about the show is it is a comedy But it is a comedy, but it is, right. But it trips over these moments of like absolute comedic gold like that. That genuinely really tackled me.

But then at other times you're just dealing with some people who really don't know how to deal with cancer on the screen. You know? Yeah. I thought, I mean, it, yeah, I think Rachel's point earlier is correct. Like it is occasionally, it absolutely is a comedy, but there's no consistency. The analogy we've been running for this season, Rachel, is that Michael Patrick King is in the kitchen and he's cooking up a meal, which is the show, and he just keeps introducing more pots and pans, more ingredients. He never learns to focus on what the central point of it is. He just keeps putting more and more flavor on there.

And I think it runs perfectly parallel with your idea that it's like we are watching seven or eight shows every character. This is what streamers need now for value for money. We need eight shows within a show. Someone could isolate all of the storylines and give us like different episodes, different shows. So yeah, no question. He's also bringing back that show The Comeback, which I'm like, that's amazing. But you need to be focusing on this show, because it's a disaster. Can you dig more into like what you did? Is it the incongruity of the supercell? I what really asked you to just like, I don't care. It's so all it's like on the one hand someone's dad died on the other hand like Seema lost her chauffeur like on the one hand like

You know Carrie's been upset about Aiden and then suddenly she's like, oh we're in an open relationship And then he's like we are like I'm just like what is going on? Yeah Yeah, also and then she's eating mutton with Duncan like when did that happen? He's like, we are like, I'm just like, what is going on? Yeah. Yeah. Also, and then she's eating mutton with Duncan. Like when did that happen? What are you talking about? Well, let's dig into the timeline thing because everyone's experiencing their own time dilation

on the show. So for Charlotte and Harry, this whole season has taken, I reckon about five weeks since we started. I just have to say one other confusing thing when it comes to talking about timelines is one of the main ways that you can denote. And this show historically, or the movies have done a good job of telling us how time has passed, is seasons. And New York City is a very seasonal place. It communicates where you are. I feel like they've all been wearing the same sort of level of wardrobe in terms of it's been warm. Yeah, the whole time. Yeah. And yet, we know that months and months are passing us by. We have traveled through. Yeah.

So it because it's been I feel like it's been sort of, I don't know if it's high summer, but it's been we're either accelerating into a decelerating out of summer. Yeah, I don't think it's not crazy, crazy hot, but it's like a nice warm sort of temperate. These are like perfect New York City days. Yeah. There was an episode- Get that mic in there, Rich. Where-

Sorry. Can you hear me? Thank you, great. There was an episode recently where they were walking through Washington Square Park where when NYU students were graduating, which puts us at the top of the summer. There you go. What is that month wise? June, May, June.

Is that that was that the first episode when Carrie was wearing that insane sail of a hat? Yeah, because Seema is holding ice cream and she keeps going like that. And they just keep have to follow the direction the winds blowing. Yes. We haven't dealt with Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Year's. And this is a show. This show acknowledges holidays because holidays are opportunities for social events. Social events are an opportunity for bitzy von muffling.

Bitzy von muffling is an opportunity for laughs. I was disappointed that I really didn't get the kick out of her that I needed to get. They brought her back in. What would have made it better? When she's appeared previously in the show, I don't know what it is, but I've been like all about her. I think it was the shock. It was just like, what are we dealing with here?

Who's this lady? But in this episode, it was kind of like, we just are dealing with so much already we got so much going on it's like bitsy we don't have fucking time for your shit right now that's perfectly maps onto how the characters feel whenever they come across bitsy yeah it's true it's like a method instance of experiencing bitsy which is like not nowitsy. My husband has fucking cancer, okay? I feel for Charlotte. Hasn't Bitsy's husband had cancer for like 10 years? Yeah, that rings a bell.

I believe it, because when Charlotte, I mean, how's this from Charlotte to maintain the secrecy of Harry's desire for no one to know she's got cancer? She's seen walking into the clinic, Bitsy's coming out, and Bitsy goes, who do you know has cancer? And Charlotte's like, oh, no one. She goes, what are you doing here? I'm volunteering. And then actively recruits against people volunteering. Just like, oh, I can come in. Just like, no, no, no. Oh, yeah, of course. What else? Like, you know, she's, she's laid herself in a crazy, you know, trap trying to preserve Harry's

privacy. I feel for Charlotte if she's a... If I want to treat her as a real character in the show, she's got the hardest lot this season. What really... When I thought... When my sympathy for Charlotte was at its most high, when I was like, Charlotte is actually going through some really big stuff. She's a very good... Like of all the girls, her and Lisa Todd clearly have the closest relationship she carries a lot of Lisa's emotional baggage as a friend, you know, and Lisa is talking to her about

the death of her dad, Charlotte really feels her feelings for her friends. She's going through that she's still carrying the secrecy of Harry's cancer. She meets Carrie at this Tiffany's event and Carrie is wandering around Tiffany's being like, yeah, I got really pissed off at Aiden because he broke this glass. And then he went to find the glass. But I'm kind of like, can we just get regular glass now? And she's really talking about it. Like it's huge. And Charlotte's got this fucking universe of actual

problems swirling around. She's trying to protect she's going, Oh, Carrie, oh, Carrie, I couldn't believe what I was watching. It was skillful TV making, maybe. If that's the emotion they intended to elicit from us. Mm. Charlotte's a good friend. I would like to have her as a friend.

Yeah. Who would you like to have as an enemy from the show? As in that they'd be a fun enemy to have or like they'd be so harmless that why not? Either or. I wouldn't say completely harmless, but I'm gonna say a combination of quite fun to have as an adversary and someone who would sharpen your tools a little bit,

you know, keep you on your toes. Probably Miranda. Wow. Tell me more. Don't you think? Tell me more. Why do you say Miranda? I think she is the smartest and maybe kind of the bitchiest in a real way.

Yeah, I agree. You know, like, I feel like she'd be like, oh, we're not inviting Rachel to this. Whereas like Carrie would be like, yeah, we can invite her but like maybe just for the drinks part. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I think it's I don't know I think it's a cultural thing as well. New Zealanders are total pussies but to live in New York City you gotta have your shit

together you gotta look after yourself. But yeah but and Miranda does a good job that was I think the point you raised to carry rings true for me, which is like she's too Self-interested to be calculated she can't actually make these hard social decisions or run things this way because She's so swept up and whatever it is that she conceives of as a problem now speaking of yes We've got a dig apart the end of this episode Which was truly the first time, not just in this episode, not just in the season,

but the first time in this entire series that my mouth was agape. Oh my gosh. I gasped. I did too. At a moment that this show had brought to us, and that was the revelation out of, really out of left field.

Totally. No insinuation this was gonna drop. Aidan announces that he and Cathy sleep together when Wyatt wouldn't go to this outdoor four week camp to kind of get his shit together if he refused to get on the bus. One week. All right.

Important detail. Thanks guys. And so to comfort each other, to comfort each other, you know, according to Aidan, they, they slept together and I was like, Oh Mike, this is, this is big stuff. But then Carrie's treatment of this information was so like fascinating to me. Yeah. Do you want to, can you, can you describe Rachel like what happened?

So Aidan basically comes to her I guess he he's like can't figure out which glass to use or something and he cut he has all these doors which is very sweet you know a little bit like okay something that something's a foot yeah and he says he tells Carrie that he and Kathy slept together and Carrie says she understands. She's completely understanding. I don't know that she ever says like why she understands it, but she just understands that they're in a tough situation and I guess buys that like this is comforting for them and also then goes on to say that like she kind of assumed that they were allowed to

sleep with other people. And he was like, huh? Like I'm sorry for betraying you, but she was basically like, you asked me to wait for you for five years, but that doesn't mean like I'm not going to sleep with other people. Yeah. She was like, we agreed we would come back to each other in five years sort of thing. But she was like, it doesn't preclude the ability for us to get our freak on separately. Also like to say at this point, I mean, Carrie likes romance.

I think of her as basically being asexual at this point in the show. Like Carrie likes the chase and she likes the impulse of feeling a connection with someone. However, oh sorry, this is insightful. Well this was my instinct towards her. I also think because when Carrie visited Virginia and saw the intensity of the situation with Wyatt and Cathy, I did think that was like the introduction of her to the concept of empathy. And so that is some of the understanding she displays in this episode in this moment, is drawn from actually conceiving of how hard something can be for other people, which is rare and unusual for Carrie. Yes. I mean, she doesn't actually- She does have her first sex scene of the season in this.

Yeah. Her and Aiden sleep together immediately after the news that Aiden has slept with Cathy. Which again, call me approved. But I was like, I don't know, man. This, this feels like a very unique way to be processing this information, but they got an odd relationship. Carrie kind of handled that conversation pretty well. And she even labeled the broader problem with their storyline for the season. What's been driving me nuts is their communication is so like exhaustingly dog shit for people who have been will they won't they for

however long this relationship's been running it is so frustrating to see them constantly missing the opportunity to say what's happening and she's like i'm just wondering why it isn't until now that we're talking about this and i was like clapping the screen i was like oh my god guys guys on board guys so i thought carrie handed herself well in this moment. I did too. I also wondered and Inversely, but it was how our friend Bob Kathy's lovely Bob would have handled the same piece of information about him, too I felt bad I showed up with his own bottle of whiskey and spend a whole family hang on his phone I know that he's gonna take this news to do you know what would be so cool?

so Rachel we said in the last episode that that role really should have been Will Forte's and potentially like maybe a scheduling conflict is the only reason that it wasn't. Wouldn't it be so cool if now they just brought Bob in but now he's Will Forte dealing with the four of them? 100%. Like in Fresh Prince when they switched the mom.

Yes. You can do that.. Yeah, you can do that quite quickly You can do that. Sure, whatever If the fans are on board you might as well Let's do maybe they'll let me play Carrie. I would love it would be cool I would love to see an episode of Rachel Rachel Kelly as Carrie Yeah, that would be awesome. She is my hair inspo really I Mean her hair is just incredible. I kept being here is why it's nice because I don't engage with the show on the sometimes on the precise terms at once, which is like fashion

and I don't I don't think about carries here. It's nice to hear someone appreciating it and enjoying it when she had her curls out at the end, which also I am, I was shot like her and Aiden are now getting along better than ever at the end of the episode. Yeah, yeah. It's amazing. Like giggling. It's amazing what talking to each other can do.

You just got to break a window and cheat on your partner and then everything is fixed. That's okay. Should we do a rip whip round of our shining lights, which is our favorite, genuinely favorite moment from the episode. I've given mine, which was Lucille Highwater's theatrical. Well, I wanted to do Lucille as well, but it was a different Lucille.

Go for it. Lucille was just so magnetic, and too good for the show. We didn't deserve her. And my fear is we'll never see her again. And she brought a real like Broadway, larger than life, cartoony energy to the show. We didn't deserve her. And my fear is we'll never see her again. And she brought a real like Broadway larger than life, cartoony energy to the show, which I loved. My favorite moment was when she compliments Lisa Todd Wexley on her purse. And just kind of keeps mentioning her Michael Kors. And is that anything from you? Is that sponk on for Michael Kors. And is that anything from you?

Is that Sponkon for Michael Kors? I don't know because it's the whole thing is like I feel like she's like I have less money than you. Exactly. You bitch. It's quite denigrating. She's like who the character is standing Michael Kors but the way the show treats it. And that's bad.

Yeah. And it's not as nice as having a nicer one I'm not mentioning it exactly yeah so that was my okay I think I I just had to but now I can only remember one I really like the scene between Miranda and joy and Joy's apartment where I actually feel like this episode they treated like a lesbian relationship with honesty Where it feels like it's moving at the right pace. I guess maybe it's like a little fat It just feels like a little self-aware in a way that I'm like, I wonder who's weighing in on this That's amazing

Can we also map that back onto your reflections even though it's not necessarily relevant to this episode on Miranda and Shay's relationship? Because the way that your face lit up when we mentioned Shay, I just have to get some stuff on the record about Rachel Kelly's reflections on this character. I mean, what the hell? I mean, obviously, I'm so grateful they existed. But it was just like I took so many screenshots of like the stand up aspect of it Like obviously there's actually the comedy concert aspect of it, but concert well I have a I have a you know, I don't want to I don't ever like to sort of plug anything, but I feel that it's Benign enough that it's actually fine on my Instagram, I have an end just like that. Like the circle thing you can click on. It's the only one I have, I think. And it's just

screenshots of Che being like, and then, you know, doing stand up and I'm like, what? Like, it was just crazy. And then I'm sure I mean, you watch the Rosie episode. I'm just like, they keep giving these like mask lesbians, like just the worst reputation. It's a disaster, but maybe it's true. Shay, they may, Shay like honestly, the character of Shay Diaz was borderline part of Project 25, like running the reputation

Non-binary The Heritage Foundation Honestly the way that they gave us this kind of Unbelievable punching bag was and I loved Shay and was devastated that you know They are not part of this got jettisoned this season But also I do agree with you that uh I'm rooting for Miranda and Joy's relationship that they're two of the strong actors in the season as well so the moments of interplay between them I'm actually invested in them being happy together I think it's so nice I mean I just saw Joy in a different HBO show and I feel like she's maybe just being passed around like different HBO shows. Hmm

Interesting, do you know who she is? I've never seen her before but I like her But I was like are they just slotting her in different places? Yeah, I mean she's a good actor She might just be running hot at the minute. This is how the streaming Will survive you hire one cast of actors and put them in six shows. Each show has to be six shows within the show. So you pay for one actor, you get 36 different shows. I mean, the way I always watch things, especially if they're happening concurrently is that joy is the same character in both of those shows. And you know, perhaps like living a double life. You know, one scene and exactly. Yeah. There's another segment we do, Rachel, which you might be positioned to help inform us on. It's called New York City Improv Watch. This show is kind enough to throw a bone every now and then

to a bitpike character. It's often one line or more. Someone who is as we understand it, assume and believe is from there's been plucked out of, you know, an Ask Kat team. And given an opportunity now in previous episodes, they're nearly always sort of delivery people or, you know, an Ask Kat team and given an opportunity. Now in previous episodes, they're nearly always sort of delivery people or you know, transient characters who you're given a couple of comedic beats, blue collar people who may be a line of dialogue. There were actually a surprisingly low number of ancillary players in this episode, it was almost entirely

contained to the core and secondary actors and characters. My initial instinct was perhaps our improviser was the keyboard player in the fedora at the funeral who wasn't given a line, but there was a cutaway. Oh, interesting. But then there was actually a line delivered with the perfect comedic energy. It could have been the person in the fedora, but it was when Lisa Todd Wexley says, it's so nice to see you all here for my father. And someone from the congregation yells out, he was always there for us.

And I was like, improviser, possibly delivered on camera, but decided not to show. But I was like, whoever that was, give them their flowers. All right, that would have been gutted to watch the episode and see that they weren't on camera. But the line delivery alone was money. That was crazy. That was crazy. The other one I can think of maybe, which is a moment that also pissed me off just because of the logic is when they're at Anthony's bakery and the woman is ogling

his boyfriend's. I think of the episode we open on Giuseppe's. You know, before Giuseppe went back to work that bakery was floundering We had to believe this bakery is succeeding entirely off the hog on the intensity of Giuseppe's dick through his yeah blue jumpsuit But I'm like don't you want people looking like you made the counters lower Why are you giving her a hard time for looking? Yeah. Anthony is so out of line by calling that woman up on ogling. Like, yeah, you're 100% right. You're a business.

You engineered this as the pillar for your business. Don't get upset when it happens. OK? No. Crazy. Anthony also delivered a line which I thought, like the moment was there, the execution was not perfect, which is Aiden shows up to the funeral in a too small suit and says the big

and tall store is now an antique shop or something. And then Andy says, where'd you get that? The short and tight men shop? I was like, you've almost got it brother, but you can't say men because it's not big and tall men, you know, I was rooting for you dude Yeah, you know nearly the ass. He He's in who's the boss you guys remember that show? It's an old show. I do not remember who's the boss It sounds like it's Tony Danza and it's just a bunch of people like making jokes like that

Tony did all Italians amazing Tony Danza is also part of the sex and just like that but as Tony Danza yeah nearly every other famous person is technically part of it we're gonna decide to Tony Danza gets to play himself Rosie O'Donnell doesn't exist Rosie O'Donnell throw away virginal lesbian none all right that's got to be. This episode has been wonderful and too long. Rachel, what a pleasure to have you on the show. Thank you for joining us. Thank you so much. It's so nice to have you across this both for this episode and more broadly as a fellow cultural denizen for someone to be taking this as seriously as it deserves and with

the intensity it deserves. And I know that you said before that you don't like to plug stuff, but look, the field is open for you to tell people where to find you, what to listen to, what to watch. Basically, I have Instagram and then also technically, well, maybe this is the right audience. I don't know, but I'm doing the fringe. The Edinburgh fringe? Again. Absolutely. Yeah, just for two weeks, but you'm doing the fringe. The Edinburgh fringe? Again. Absolutely.

Yeah, just for two weeks, but you know. Make sure you see it. Is that with the hospital hour? Yes. Why are you rolling your eyes at your own show? I gotta give up the show. I've been doing it too long, but it's good. It must be still getting better.

This is the right treatment of a show. I don't know, but thank you. I appreciate that. We'll see. Absolutely. Go and see Rachel. Didn't you get five stars at the Fringe last year? Yes. Go and see Rachel Kelly's hospital hour. All right. Thanks for joining us, everybody.

We will see you next week for another exciting episode of And Just Like That. 50% done now, halfway through the season. Thank god. No, that's a real glass half empty outlook. More like six more exciting episodes to go. How will they tie up the loose ends of the 100 story strands they've introduced so far? Stay tuned to find out. Hmm.