The Worst Idea Of All Time - Method

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

Welcome to a brand new season of The Worst Idea of All Time. In late 2025, we set out to apply our method film review process to Joker: Folie à Deux.Join us, outside the front doors of The Classic, Auckland’s only comedy club. A venue we will soon enter the doors of to live inside for one week, to watch and review Joker: Folie à Deux. 14 watches. 14 reviews. 14 chances for the movie to impress this pair of dedicated film critics.You can watch the video episode of this for free at twioat.substack.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, it's Guy Montgomery and Tim Bat here, and you find us live at 321 Queen Street outside the classic comedy club in Auckland, New Zealand. We're sort of live in the sense that we're alive. Yeah. We're not dead, but we're not, this isn't live. No, I mean, this is. No part of this is live. This is kind of the opposite of live.

There's so many circumstances where you can say, we're live. No, and you'd be right. This is happening in real time, therefore it's live. Okay. It's generally not what that word means. People, it's a, you know, some people pronounce it live, for instance. So it's open to interpretation. Okay.

I'm not going to argue with your fucking captain deletes. You tell me this conversation isn't happening right now? You're telling me we're not arguing right now? Professor Words. Yeah. I need to think of a good little. Call me Professor Time Continuum. We're live outside the classic comedy club in Auckland, New Zealand,

and you'll notice we are suited, booted and holding microphones. Tim, tell me a little bit about why we are here. We have made a big decision as a couple. That's right. Because sometimes when two men love each other very much, they decide that they're going to move into the only full-time comedy club that exists in New Zealand's largest city, Tamaki Makoto, so that they can properly watch, review, critique,

and assess an immense. method formula and methodology the movie joker two folly a dear i'm glad you learned it because i don't know it yet but i feel like by the end of the next five days um i will yeah well well talk to me about that because i don't know this movie i don't know the first movie i don't know um why we're doing this sure and yet i i find myself sitting across from you once more. Yeah. Sort of staring down the barrel of misusing my free will.

For sure. So we, there's a lot of things in the gumbo that brought us to this point. That's a, um, a lot of ingredients. He's drawing an analogy from Paul Blart-Molkop 2. For those who are curious, Paul Blart-Molkop 2 describes life as a cosmic gumbo and Tim while reaching for an analogy to describe the experience that we're about to inflict upon ourselves through the roller decks of pop culture that exists in his mind I don't know knowingly or unknowingly has chosen to I'm to draw from I'm coming into

this experience mentally strong acute sharp as attacked so I don't know there's kind of like sharp as attacked yeah sharp as a strategy up as a direction, a change of direction for a yacht. Yes. So... That's a tack. Oh, is it? Yeah. Oh, it is too. Yeah, fuck. Which is actually what I was going for? Yeah. Jokey 2. What are we doing? We're doing method film

reviewing. We've done this before. We did this 10? Not quite 10. I was trying to place it. I think our first effort at method film reviewing was in 2017. That feels right. I would place it. And was it, Cole? I can't even remember what time. a year it was it was cold we were wearing long johns it was it was like july no that's summer

in new york oh yeah it is too we were approaching winter it was the fall as they love to say yeah here's my impression of any american telling you about where they're from you got to see it in the fall and i've always told myself if i ever got to perform stand-up comedy on a late-night show yes that is the joke with which i would open do you think that would enamour the late-night american audience to you The other one I have is if I ever did a comedy show in L.A., I would say, I'd open by saying, you know, in Los Angeles, we're trapped behind all these windows and metal. I think sometimes we crash into each other just to feel something. And that is famously from the movie Drive. Drive so fast you hit something.

Directed by ex- Scientologist and I think, you know what? Current legend? No. opposite I don't know who directed it I think he's a bad guy we're moving swiftly along yes we did method film reviewing when we were on that beautiful

Google teat getting paid by YouTube to put together a pilot we don't quite have the resources this time around because we're doing this completely of our own steam and a co-production between Little Empire podcast which is me with a little mask on top of my face

which is a logo Tim design so he doesn't He doesn't have to call himself Tim Bad all the time. Shout out to Thomas Cotley, who took it for himself to make a logo for it. And Callum and Annabelle from Sports Team, who are helping us put this together. And what this is, is we're going to live here at the classic. So the difference, I guess, between the method film review methodology we brought to the YouTube project is that we could dedicate an entire week to one episode.

What we're doing this time is switching it up a little and dedicating a week to, kind of a season of our podcast. Each screening of the film will result in one podcast, reflection, if you will, as we grab our opinions, feelings, and emotions. Just mapping our journey. Yeah, as we discuss how we're feeling about the movie after that given screening. We haven't discussed the methodology whether or not at the end we'll give our review. I imagine we'll be reviewing it each time in a way which suggests how we feel.

Let's figure it out now. Should we do a rating set? Because in the first go-round of this, obviously, we had the famous thumbs system. Yeah. Which was great. You liked that? I did like it.

I thought it was a good mechanic. Let's do it again. Because you got to, it was like kind of out of four. Yeah. It was a zero too. So you can have two thumbs up, one thumb up. It is. It's just a five-star rating.

Two thumbs up, one thumb up, no thumbs down, two thumbs down. We're going to take it again. We're going to collate our scores at the end of the season. Yeah. That is going to be the official. review for Joker 2 Folly adieu Folly in French what does that mean

Does that mean like Calamity the second Look Tim Is it folly like how I understand the word folly? I looked up the title of the movie I didn't look up a French fucking dictionary Well you're Professor Words bro I thought you might know I'm Professor Time Continuum

What do we know about the movie I've seen Joker I think twice Wow I liked it That's a lot like seeing Joker 2 In a funny way it is That's right call me Professor the maths and it did very very well it was kind of a surprise hit it was made by a todd phillips which

is wild because he did like old school he did road trip road trip he then he did old school he did starsky and hutch yeah he did um he's a no he's sort of like he's real you know there's a there's a there's a venn diagram that has a big intersecting field between him and uh fucking judd appetow right you reckon i reckon so i know they're different like one sort of more fratty like you know Todd Phillips made a bunch of fratty movies and Judd Eppatow was doing a little bit more adult contemporary cinema Todd Phillips was doing so well

he did all the hangover movies as well I believe that's the big ticket item he did so well making funny movies he thought he could do anything which is fair enough and then he made it to himself and he made Joker and it was a very popular film can I say I've not seen it

so I can't reflect on it but I know that it's well regarded by those who have seen it I think I read something I might have this wrong but I think I read something recently online that the studio like forced them to take more money they were like no we need a bigger budget

for the first one for the first one wow did you read that because you were telling me about these great men's rights forums you've been reading stuff in lately and I'll tell you what they fucking love Joker as well

yeah those guys love Joker but in extremely can we are those your guys they're my guys yeah hugely yeah yeah men have a right to be right that's what you say

That is what I say. Thanks for remembering and saying it out loud on the pod. Well, you're a consistent source of inspiration to me. Weirdly, my fellas didn't enjoy Joker 2. Okay. Now let's discuss why we think that might be without having seen the film. Neither of us have seen the film. Here's what we know.

Two hours and 15 minutes in duration. Crucial. One of the first things you look up when you're going to be method film reviewing, absolutely. Todd Phillips decided, and I think like in concert with Waking, is that how you say it, Phoenix? Joaquin, Phoenix. You've got to put a little stank on that first bit? Like a wind-up of a pitch. I call him the waking phoenix.

I think of him as, when he sleeps, I think of him as a phoenix who has been late to rest, and then every morning he rises from the ashes of slumber. His bio-upac. And that's why I call him the waking Phoenix. Sleeping Phoenix. I've seen him recently. I saw him in Come On, Come On, which was a...

Who's that guy who, he just won the Oscar with Inora? What's his name? Sean. Oh, yeah, Sean's up name. What's his name? Sean Baker. Thank you, Callan. I saw him in Come On, Come On.

And then I watched him in her. And I thought this guy is, he's good at acting. He's phenomenal. These are great movies. Yeah. Do you remember when he did that crazy Letterman interview? Yeah, I'm not here or something. He was in character for some sort of weird Casey Affleck.

And this was, it was kind of method film. It was. He was method interviewing. He's quite a method guy. Potentially. Not Jared Letto method, thankfully, as far as we know. But still method. far beyond what most

actors would be so this is good so he's good for us Todd's back two hours and 15 Watkins back So they As I understand it kind of jointly But I'm sure this has got to be

led by Todd Phillips Who wrote And directed both of these films I think He was like We want to do something Completely different From the first one

And so they did So they made the second one A musical With Lady Gaga They got Lady Gaga And they made it a musical Can I ask to him Just because

that's also i just want to say right now that's all i that's it that's all i know that's the whole thing i know that people who watched the first joker didn't necessarily watch the second joker and i know that those who did who i have told not to give me an opinion have suggested they didn't enjoy it yeah sorry the one other bit of information i know about the movie which is sort of more about the production it lost an incredible amount of money awesome don't have the stats to hand but I will get them you know through this season can I ask also before we get into this just the sort of cliff notes of the first film because I understand he's he performs comedy Arthur is a guy who performs stand-up at the clubs a bit yeah he attends a lot of stand-up

and he does it and the crowd hates him great and then I'm trying to remember how he gets on the talk show so but this is he gets on a talk show and I'm pretty sure Robert De Niro is playing the chat show host so sort of a

yeah reverse king of comedy type yeah like a like a David Letterman involved which I guess is what's his fucking name Johnny Carson like a Johnny Carson

right oh so this movie's not set today it's not live well I don't know about this one but that one was set in the 70s I think and he goes on the chat show to like

perform morey or something yeah and he shoots him dead what live on tv so he does like an act he he shoots the host dead i think he's a clown i think he does a comedy performance as a clown and then we're in their space oh yeah if people got to know there's a lot of pedestrians if you're only listening to this um there's a pretty we're in a pretty serious pedestrian therapy there are a lot of people tentatively walking past we are we i would say this we are on what should be the most pedestrian heavy street in New Zealand tragically isn't because it's undergoing a lot of repairs at the moment so he flips out shoots the chat show host

I can't remember at what point he goes to a mental asylum if he does I don't know this is what and he is the Joker and then I think he sets he kind of is like he lights the wick of a powder keg that the city is going through it's sort of like economically depressed times, social unrest, and he sort of kicks it off, and then I think sort of starts a war within the city where they're kind of, the cops and civilians all turn on each other, that sort of thing. Damn, that was one young skateboarder. It really was.

It's picking up good pace, too. This is great. You've put me in... I don't know how much of that I've got right, but... I wouldn't worry about it, Tim. You've put me in the mind of the protagonist. put me in the mind of, you know, the film. I now understand the context as to why we are moving into a comedy club for this.

Yeah. And I've got to say, as far as my forecast for enjoyment goes, I should hope that this screening we're about to do is as good as it gets. I should imagine rather. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would hope it just, this is when I was on my way here, I thought to myself, this screening has to go well. because if this doesn't go well

then there is just absolute pain lying in front of me yeah yeah I was going to say you're not wrong but you might be wrong it is possible though unlikely

that we start not at the precipice of our enjoyment of this film yeah yeah a man can dare to dream absolutely we might start at sort of what do they call it on Everest there's like base camp and then we're going to sum it as we go up

and I know that by the time we get down it'll be pretty stinky when's the last time you sort of subjected yourself to any unusual number of repeated viewing when's the last time you used this technique to not to method film review

but like really put yourself under the pump in this way I don't know what do you mean just like go ahead hard on something go hard on a film like I've lost the I've lost the muscle memory just with you it's just with you it's always been gone Montgomery always will be gone on the fucking time to do this for leisure this is a professional pursuit yeah we both got suits and ties on man

yeah we've partnered up with a production company that makes music videos for the bits and shot a feature film last year that's right serious keep an eye for the weed eaters which you got cut out of which is also very funny to me right i did do a voice for them for the wheat eaters as a uh a worm with large breasts yeah which is comedy gold and they showed me they made up a little claymation model they told me you're the perfect voice for double d was the name of the character and i went in and i put a lot into it i really tried to bring the worm to life and then um i mean you're still voice acting it's like even giving your maximum it's not it's like among the easiest things you can be paid to do i don't

know i really well i really put everything into it okay the payment was going to be and the joy, I suppose, of seeing this character realized on the big screen. Yeah. Wow. Will that come to pass, Tim? Absolutely not. So if you're listening along or watching at home, check out the weed eaters. And for those of us who are here live on 321 Queen Street, let's check out Joker 2, Folly, Ager.

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