The Yard - Ep. 254 - We Met Freddie Wong!

Episode Date: June 10, 2026

This week, the boys are joined by Freddie Wong! They talk about his early days as a YouTube icon, his journey into filmmaking, and what he'd do with $500 million. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're gonna find him living under like the couch. So excited about our things. Well, Aiden, would you like to, would you like to introduce our room? The position, Aiden. He's assumed. He's assumed. I like leaving him there. I like keeping him there now.

I like when they have to watch and wait. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because they're just perched in the corner. What's the longest we can keep someone up there? It's, who is the longest? The whole episode. Probably it would be the whole episode.

We did do DJ racist with Linus for about three four minutes. Well, I just had to sit and wait for DJ racist to end the radio. broadcast. Can you bring wind-dammed on the day? We have Freddie Wong. That's it. What? Freddy Wong of the podcast. Wait, that was

maybe the highest terminal velocity we've had. Yeah, easily. I brought very slippery pants on purpose, baby. Wow. Those Lulu. Oh, what? Yeah. I don't know. I literally just wear whatever podcast sponsors send us at this point. When was the last time you went to the store and you bought clothes? Occasionally, if I'm at a coffee shop

and they have a cool t-shirt design. You're a merch. I'll do merch. I'll do coffee shop merch. You're like him. And Geo-Gess are merch. Those two. Sorry,

what, like, do you go guess of the game? Yeah, you play it? Oh, I love you. What the fuck is? It's like,

God damn it. It's real. Dude, it's so sick. It's like, here's all the ballards. And I'm like, I just got it right here. Wait,

okay, what's a French ballard look like? I don't know the ballard meta. Yeah, dude, I'm working on it. Don't wear the shirt if you don't listen to the music, bro. I need to, but here's the fucked up part. The shirt tells me where the French ballers look like. True.

I believe they're Chevron a little bit. Like, it's like that. Red, red tip. When he asked you, he asked you if you played Geogessor, he kind of smirked. You play you? You flew around. Dude, I play. Do you know Rainbow?

Oh, yeah, I love Rainbow. I inspired him. No shit. He started playing the game because he saw me. You got royalties, bro. No. And he's way better than me. And I'm the exact same when he started watching me.

I've changed to zero of what I do. And now he lives in Thailand and his roommate is a gibbon monkey. True. It's all true. That's what happens when you get a Geogys are pro. Apparently. This is where you end up. Those guys are the real sickos though.

I love it. Oh, yeah. I didn't realize what it took until we interviewed him. It's like you just sit reading documentation of screenshots and patterns. And that's what it takes. You just scroll through millions of pages of Google Docs. And that's how you become the best. I have a question.

Does Geogist ever drop you in the middle of like the Donbass region? You know what I'm talking about? You can, You can get to a point where you're like, this is definitely Ukraine, not Russia. Yeah. Just from vibes. Because there's like a bombed out like school bus that someone's hiding in.

They're taking the latest picks off the front line. Yeah. I don't, I'm not going to have a play Geogesor. I don't know if there's like still someone who sees the Google like coverage car like. Yeah. There's the drone netting and then there's the guy who's saying, yeah. Okay.

Who's Freddie Wong? Fucking has been. That's who baby. Okay. Listen to me. I am a guy. who kind of missed a lot of the YouTube stuff as it came through in life?

Hold on. What did you... Let's just to explain it. He didn't miss a lot. He missed all of it. We convinced him that David Geta was a Roblox YouTuber. And we showed him the...

I don't know you've seen the meme. It's David Gett. He's like to George Ford. Oh yeah. One of the greatest clips of the pandemic. We showed him that. We convinced him was real. And that's a clip we're like,

yeah, he's a YouTuber. He starts playing the hamster dance. And I'm like, did people receive this well? Super well-seed. And yeah, and they just, they all ran this bit. They kind of came together in the moment and I'm just asking more questions.

None of us are laughing. We're all like being completely serious. This is a moment of silence here. It was a moment of a history. That's incredible. So even though he's old, he's not tapped in to 2006, 2007 YouTube.

He missed that. But he also missed 2015 and now YouTube. It's not even, it's just YouTube though. Like you're very tapping. into that era of being online. Yeah, yeah. That's interesting to have that kind of blind spot.

Huge blind spot. You could tell me like a 2011 Tumblr meme, but you can't tell me like a famous YouTuber. You don't know who Hutch is. Yeah, like I know which episode of Inkmaster is they talk about the Liv Moss mentality and how everyone exhibits the Liv Moss mentality. But when it comes to like the biggest names of the era,

I don't know. And so, Bray Wong's here. Yeah. And I'm like, why don't you tell me we're meeting on a bus. Okay, yeah, yeah. This is the pitch for when you say you were an online video and the media

assumption everyone says, like, oh, pornography? That was the early days. The early days is when you said you were doing online video, people like, what, like, what, like, what? You fucking porn. Shoot fucking porn. Big, fucking combshots or what? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing on the set? Huh? You hold it? You get sucked up, bro? It's like, no, relax. I mean, YouTube videos.

I'm like, what the hell are you making YouTube videos for? What, what am I? I? I'm, We started YouTube 2010, which was not right at the start of it. Like Smosh was around, you know, Smosh. Okay. I watched Smosh before they were on YouTube. That's crazy. What the, what the-the-furt?

It's just crazy. You watched Smosh, but what were on? On their own website. They're on their own website. You watch Smosh on their own website? Yeah, they did the, um, real player-ass shit. They did the Mortal Kombat video, and one of them was dressed like Sub-Zero and doing the post perfectly, and I'm like, these guys, no ball.

I also know sub-Zo-0. Yeah, yeah. Watch this thing. I'll keep a tab on these guys. But not on YouTube. These are whatever YouTube is. I don't fuck with our YouTube stuff. Yeah, I just don't like the rest of it.

But man, does he mimic video games really good? It was a perfect idol pose. Yeah. So we were in that era and we were doing video game, gamer slop comedy before anyone, because anyone figured it out. We were the first ones to be like,

hey, we're going to do video game stuff in real life. And that was a real gimmick. I also feel like you're doing shit cool. Like, I feel like, I feel like most YouTubers were like, it felt like handicam like Smosh. Yeah, we came at it from this. That era has kind of two groups of people. There were people who were like found the thing in high school, got just like doing it,

wasn't getting paid. Like Smosh was like a quintessential example of that. They were like they were just putting stuff up and they were doing like all kinds of early YouTube hacks. Like I remember an early YouTube hack was they would go on, you go on to the MySpace page of like someone like My Chemical Romance. And then you would embed your video as a comment on the MySpace. page as a one by one auto

play, no sound, and then you would get all the views. They were doing that? Everyone was doing that. That's the thing. That's clean. The thing that people have missed, the thing that I hate is that we lost the history of how everyone was scrobbing around and trying to find hacks and be like, oh, if you

do this at this time, you can get more views. Because it was like kind of the game, because you weren't really getting paid. So that was the game. The game was like, how can I get views on this thing? It's romanticized now. Now it's like, yeah, she's two kids are fucking garage and they just love making videos. Yeah, no. No, No, no, no. That's not at all. Anyone who became successful had some troll energy where they're like, oh, hey, if we embed it as a one by one, we'll get all the views. And then when it falls off the front page, we'll put it again. We'll just keep commenting it all day. And we'll get the views up because that's what you were looking at. It used to be able to like, every like, pre 300 views on an uploaded video. You could just refresh on your own computer. And they would all count the views. Yeah. We were to get like everyone in a Skype server to just be like everyone's spam this video. The craziest hack I've ever seen of this era was there.

was a guy who would rely he would when the moment you could change your thumbnail he would do a webcam monologue of whatever david letterman talked about the night before use a thumbnail of letterman and just say like monologue blah blah blah same topics and he would get reliably copyright and struck by whoever in whatever intern at dick clark productions was like looking for the re-uploads and they weren't they didn't realize he could change your thumbnails every time he had his lawyer ready to go back you falsely take down my video it's this because it's just him to actually just talking about the things, just phoning it in. And he would just be like, settle with the South Court.

And they'd like, fine. And they would settle with him. And he would do it like every week. He was getting settlements. He was extracting value. And then until they finally figured it out. And they're like, wait, why do we pay this guy a hundred grand this quarter? Because some intern kept pulling down his videos. This is why Kalshi exists now.

They're getting revenge on us. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's so awesome. So 21-year-old has a sports betting app on his phone and just ruining his fucking life. And it's like, it all came. down to that guy. It's that. Whatever that thing is to like, here's the system. How can I

find a way around it and hack it and get some advantage? Everyone was doing that shit. It's so much less breakable now. Yes. It's gotten, it is less porous. It's the same feeling as like when you're like you look at like some crime movie and it's said in the 50s like, that's all it took. Catch me if you can. That's like you just lied.

That's 11 easy. He did stickers off of the toy airplane that happened to be the same one to go and check. What are you talking about? Dude, they used to get plane tickets so easy. They'd like slide a hundred. They'd be like, all right, you're going to Cabo. In Ocean's 11, one of the moment, he goes to, I think, Saul at the horse track, and he's like, come on one more job. And he's like, I bet on horses now. And then he hands him the ticket. He's like, I don't need the ticket. And it's like, how do you hit the ticket? You didn't use your name. How do you do that? No, you don't anymore. But that's kind of a recent movie. It's 2001, I think. Yeah, it is.

Dude, putting the, that, that hack you said where it's like a one-by-one video that doesn't exist. It's like in school. submit an essay. Yeah, change the margins a little bit. You change all the punctuation marks to a higher. Yeah, 0.2 periods, um, point, you go, you go 1.8 on the spacing instead of 1.5. Oh, clean. Oh, to make it fill the page. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're basically typing like 50 less words. You're not getting away with a bigger font. There's only two, there's two types of people, right? It was either people who were like, I'm gonna fuck with the margins and get it to the thing, or you're like, I would be much wordier in this part of my whole thing. Just chunk it up with just really fill.

of that one of the things I learned Photoshop off of was the tutorial on YouTube in like 2010-11 that was like how to rewrite a Coke bottles wrapping to be like the answers to your test yeah so I like picked up Photoshop to do that for a test that's that's great yeah we have like a paper ring around it it's just looks like shit yeah like I couldn't buy the kid I couldn't buy the plastic you were doing a heat transfer on the plastic it's like very much so like catch me if you can I had like tweezers it looks exactly like his Jet paper soggy on a coke bottle. That was your, how'd you do in school? On paper, I crushed. Nice. What did you retain? Retention wise, not much. Not much.

Wait, what was your GPA in high school? I went to a Lord Fontelroy school for very talented children. So I was like 3.7, but like literally one person in my grade. I'm, I don't know. Lord Fontalist. Lord Fauntleroy. School. Yeah.

It was like a fancy. I went to like the private school. Where is this? This is Seattle. Welcome back. Yeah. This is a school in Seattle called Lakeside. And it was like where Bill Gates went to.

And like like yeah, I mean, it's like one of those. You were meant for greatest, bro. Nah, no, no. This is the joke. Literally I'm the least successful person in my high school class. Like there's people who are like crazy crazy. Wait. Like sold like billion dollar startups to Ford like shit.

And like I'm like a nobody in, in, in that contact. Yeah, but they all got popped on the island. You're still here. Rocking the island in bikes, dude. You're like the curse of being an early YouTuber dude.

They missed. Everyone else got the island advice. All the videos that you would have been making if Epstein Island happened in 2010. Holy shit. You would have been crushing.

Oh my God. There was so many like, yo, just get a jet ski and we're doing a video. Did you ever be a first person shooter? First person shooter. Raid. First person real footage raid Epstein Island.

Oh my God. That'd be a sick video. crying. Now that someone's crying looking at Stephen Hawking there's Hawking

we got to take him down literally cuts to like the call duty like AC130 view and black and white he makes it Stephen Hawking's key signature

I was going to ask did you ever meet FPS Russia? No I was like I was like I think here's the crazy part there's so many people

who have become things like for example I met Dr. Disrespect when he was like at VidCon and literally all I remember of this, I'm like, that's a tall guy.

That's a tall guy who wants a fun of him with me. He's a tall guy. He's a tall dude. That's a tall guy and that's probably all he'll ever be known for. Just another tall guy, huh? Chalk him off a dime a dozen here in this crazy town. So like, I think I might have met him like at a thing, but he wasn't in his Russian accent. Dude, you went to YouTube live.

I would, dude, I was, this is like a monkey fuck curse because I was at YouTube live, which is one of the first YouTube events, but I was there in the context of Activision brought me to be like, we're going to promo Guitar Hero 3. Here's what you're going to do. You're going to be in this little cubicle, two stories off of the stage, and you're going to start by playing a Joe Satriani song,

and then we're going to whip over, and it's going to be real Joe Satriani. And I'm like, how the fuck can I meet Joe Satriani if I'm introducing his song through a video game? Like, this guy has no respect for me, right? Like, doing the rhythm gaming thing, which is I started with guitar, hero. I was like a pro guitar hero player

for a little bit. And I got brought on for rock band to be like for when rock band started to like go to artists and be like we need the mass recordings but we have to demonstrate to all these recording artists like what is this game? So I was on call in LA in college they'd be like hey come to the four seasons

we have the Eagles here and they want and I'll just sit there and I'll like demonstrate the game on hard. And I was humiliating this is the most you're like 200 bucks of pop. Here's our dancing monkey Yes. And like, and like, and like, I play guitar.

And like, so like every single time I'd be like, this is one of my heroes. Like, I've learned their solo note for note. And I'm like, there's no context in which they will have any respect. And the devs are like, you see this. It's time. Then they strumming. So yours is actually one of the easier songs in the game. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Did you ever meet Trent Resner? I think he had the collector in rock band one. I met Sebastian Bach. I was on TRL To promote To promote Yeah with Carson Daly

Like the dream of the elder millennial Right to be on TRL And they They did like a segment And it was just like All right there's Sebastian Boxes Judging you and he was like drunk as hell I think and I was like you know

It was just like cool I play a plastic guitar video game But I do so lit Some weird people Weird experiences It's the truly Greek punishment That you play guitar for real Oh, 100%.

That's what makes it so much worse. No, no, no, 100%. Like the amount of times I sit there and be like, well, did this help? I don't know. Are you still grinding? Dude, not really. I do have, I did buy it.

Anytime they come out with a new guitar, like a plastic guitar, I'm like, let me see what the latency looks like. It's still Xbox 360 Explorer, right? That's the best. Dude, you want the real fucking game ball knowledge? You know what I have? 360 creations, right?

He's the guy. No, no, no, no, here's what I have. I have. impossible to find display display display Gibson hardwired which is the

guitar they did for the displays in kiosks were hardwired which means that they're better there's more durability there I still have one of those which is like

unless you worked at a game stop and stole it right like good luck the guitar hero three one the guitar hero three Gibson it was a good USB it felt good this is like a

there's like rare game cube controllers you can get. And you can, it's really difficult to find, but you can find the ones that Nintendo made for hotels that have all the buttons to like scroll through the channels

and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, those crazy ones. They're like, do they get pricey? Yeah. The worst player, you know at a Nintendo, Smash Bros., Super Smash Bros.

Melee tournament had the Panasonic hotel controller. They're really nice. It's a good show. Sometimes you'd roll up, you see the person who has this like old fantasy star online one that's like you hold it like

normal game cube controller still, but there's a huge keyboard, right? That typing of the dead ass shit. Muswad. Muswad, the Project M. Nest player would come with the GameCube, the keyboard controller. Oh my God. And it was very difficult to be. Comfort's weakly ass beating. Not from me.

Do you have the context that we all met playing Super Smash Bros? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was saying that like, it's crazy because I think Super Smash Brothers is our generation's golf in that like if you, it's for socialization. Yeah. Right? And you can't be like, if you're too good at it,

it's kind of hard to socialize with you. But if you're not good at it, you can't enter certain circles. I'm fucking, yeah, my plus seven handicap. I have no joke. I've got,

I have some friends who are like, OG OCC and guys. And I was like, hey, can you just get me up to speed on like a Samus, like just a, just a middle tier guy.

Do you know what I'm like that's it? I just don't need to be able to, I need to be able to walk the walk a little bit because otherwise I'm just getting fucking owned. I can give you, I can give you same as you hold both sticks down. Yeah. And you just do that.

And you do that over and over and over. it over. But sometimes you do short hop, side B than side B when you land. Sometimes. Sometimes. We used to work at a

production studio for e-sports. We like would throw events for different games. So you've heard of my guitar hero. So I've heard you. Yeah, we were going to invite you actually. Yeah. It was your people actually that didn't ever respond.

Yeah. That's how it is. But it was traveling. At the time, I'm like a massive Freddie W fan, quarter digital fan, rocket jump, all that. And at the time we was like, we had an ultimate event

and I found out all the quarter digital guys. Oh, they're huge. They're huge and ultimate. And I was like, we should have them come to the event. This is just me trying to meet them. That would be good for us.

And they're probably good for us. We're making videos here. Maybe we just fly them. They want to help make a video. And they replied and they were like, yeah, it sounds awesome. Just let us know when it is. I was like, yeah, here's the date. And they just ghosted and never came.

Busy. It's tricky. Everyone's busy. What can you do? At that same company, my boss, it was actually me and Aden's boss. His name is Ken Chen. And he is kind of like an e-sports like legend at this point. He's an older male.

but he would say to your point of being like the worst guy from your school. Ken, he was like, dude, in my graduating class in college, I'm not even the most successful Ken Chen. Because there was another guy named Ken Chen who like founded Blue Apron. That's so much. He's like, I can't even like, I have nothing. I have nothing. The funniest story I have that is like kind of similar in that vein was when we were coming up on YouTube, I got a, I started getting all these messages being like, yo you were sick in that commercial

I'm like commercial I'm not fucking doing commercials and I was like it was like a car fox it was like a insurance commercial I like look around I find it I'm like oh yeah there's an Asian guy in here who like you know from a certain angle I'm like oh that looks a little bit like me best case scenario for a white guy who's in that to you're like you know what I agree

it does kind of look like you I was joking you look at the 99 world of bad options if someone recognized me in public as a white guy I'm always a little bit like risky move This is the move. I don't know if you're brave for you. This actually happened with your

with your brother. I was in Seattle. Oh yeah. And I thought I recognized him. And it was him. And I was like, it was like, is that? That's, he's from VGHS. I'm being brave doing this.

You're reminding Dayton. I'm putting myself out on the line. I'm super sorry if I'm wrong. And it was, and then I was years later, like I met him again at a pool party between like a mutual friend of ours. Yeah, so you got to see him shirtless. Yeah, yeah. And he had a rock and bought. Rock and bought, dude.

And I was like, you look great. And you definitely remember me. Yeah. It has no reference. Then I got an email from an actor in L.A. being like, hey, I'm seeing the social media thing just so you know, I'm the one in this commercial. Like, if you ever need a double or anything like that. And he was like, anyway, hit me up any time.

You know, it's like, nice to meet you. Just want to reach out. And then his name was Eddie Hong. Oh, my God. What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? Are you for you?

I'm like, no, no. I'm Eddie Hong. You, shut the fuck up, too. Like, what asshole? I was like, we gotta figure this out. Because if you're, you switch your first to your last. You can't rhyme both names like that. That's gonna be real bad for everyone.

Yeah. Don't you're right. As I understand, he went by Edward afterwards. Edward. He's Edward now. Edward Hong. That's what we could call hung. Hong, Hong, Hong.

Because of some fucking guy that started a YouTube channel, he had to go by Edward now. I have a fairly common Gmail, but what it means at first time was like, cool, you got like an early Gmail access. It was hard to get. You had to have like a code. Yeah, you had to have someone in the thing. And like, so I got like a really easy, obvious one. But then what happened is I now also get every old person who has a similar name.

Oh. Like, who miss types it. So there's like three Freddie Ws out in the world who I'm like, I know this guy's entire employment history. All his car insurance stuff keeps coming to me. And I always have to like, go out of the hey, you got the wrong guy. Like he keeps getting the car accidents. Like I've seen. I know where he lives.

This network of people Who are like this I'm glad you on hymns man That shit works It's gonna come back full I have the opposite where the The other Aiden McHag Who had a really similar email

Was a kid So I kept getting his Like Minecraft and Roblox Activation emails You could have played such a crazy game And be like listen kid You want your fucking You want your Minecraft

If you want this fucking account back You know what you do is you say It's me It's me bro it's you from the future I have things to tell you all your hair's going away you need you get on it now

it's called hymns use my code the yard but no you could yeah you could have directed his life by being him in the future and then one day the email stopped

yeah yeah and he changed the timeline irreplicably and he eats his parents you know I was pumped because my name's unique

so I got my email I got Ludwig Gagrin at Gima I'm like hell yeah this is awesome yeah and then I grew up and then people just just throw in shot in the dark

little bit Gagrinat Gim on the right. Yeah, I'm signed up for everything. Oh yeah. I got everything. It's the equivalent of having 8675309. Yes. That's like the go to when you go to a grocery store and you're getting checked out and like I'm putting your reward somewhere.

I'm like I'll put in the area code of this region. 8675309. I'm good. Yeah. And that person every day is like fucking ralphs again. Rouse again. Motherfucker. We had a we had a t-shirt that we made that was like a like a landscaping company

fake shirt. and the idea was to put a number on it that if you called, like played the theme song and hung up. And we just never got around to it. So we sold the shirt and sold a bunch of them and then we put like a random number.

We didn't put a 555, we just put a random number and it was some business. They were just like, why are we getting so many calls? That was us? Yep. That was your third party contractors

outside of your control. A five five yard. Yeah. But that's a real number. Right, but what happened to Soldier Boy? That was the second shirt. We learned our lesson. The second one, you called it.

We figured out the second one. And it plays Kiss Me through the phone. Okay. And that was, I didn't know about this first one. The second one, you put Soldier Boy's number on it. Yeah. He was doing it, doing it for each bespoke performance. He would turn that into a million dollars sometimes.

He would, yeah. He didn't know what we were doing. There was a guy in Seattle who got Sir Mixalots number, and he was like, I'm getting so many invitations to, like, like car dealerships and like parties. Like everyone wants Sir Mix a lot. I know. You're a big butts guy.

I got big Honda accords and I cannot lie. That would work. Like that's what they're calling him. The Toyota other dealers can't deny. That's what they want from him. What is he doing right now? Dude, anything he fucking wants. That man brought us big butts and you cannot lie.

That's right, bitch. Like, come on. Well, I have to, because I'm the opposite of slime. Yeah. I watched the shit out of VGHS. Yeah. And also did a. rewatch not too long ago.

Holds up, by the way. Thank you. Which is like impressive. But, but I know you've been working on like coming out with new shit. Yes. Coming out with new things. Making money for new projects. Yes.

And I see all these YouTubers now who just get to direct features seemingly with no experience. Oh, it's a crazy moment right now. It's a crazy moment. Why do you have any insight? Why does YouTube get to make movie with a sketch comedy back on? Here's what I see is happening right now. which is when we start, there's a group of people,

creative people, who cut their teeth on the internet first, right? And it happens in music first, where Justin Bieber gets seen by the establishment and picked up and placed, and that's Justin Bieber's career trajectory, right? Usher sees them and he goes on. Kane Parsons gets seen by A24 producers picked up

and, like, granted, you know, this thing. Selected. And now, clivicular, selected by the overlords that kicked. picked up, plucked. Flucked from obscurity. In like a Cronenberg, like horror movie, clavicular and he's like turning into like a fucking beast or something.

Yeah, he's like huge chin. Oh, that would be the best movie ever. The Maxer. Okay. Don't cut this out. This goes out. We're not putting that in. Yeah.

But when we started, if you like learning how to do, let's call it sequential linear storytelling with video, right, on YouTube, no respect. No respect whatsoever. Because it's different, right? Because when we started, I remember like,

we had to be like, no, we're not vloggers. No, no, no, no, no. We don't record dead bodies in a forest. Like, that's not what we do. We're filmmaker types. And it was, we started off on YouTube as these filmmaker guys. And then YouTube became much, much, much bigger than that, right? It became its own category of thing because there's people who do makeup vlogs.

There's people who do, there's just all kinds of stuff on there. So then very quickly we're like, oh, we're part of this larger thing. and then Hollywood as a whole is just like, well, we can't figure out what to do with you guys. So, you know, that's it. But I think for the first time with backrooms, with iron lung, with obsession, they're like, oh, you learning this thing through YouTube

through an online thing is not a deal breaker anymore. It's now actually like, oh, that is a legitimate path because what it took was, I think, an entire generation of people growing up watching YouTube and having it be at the same level, level or legitimate in their eyes compared to, you know, movies and TV. Because it's like, right? Like us trying to do movies and TV prior to like this moment.

It's just like, cool. What have you done? So you're trying to convince boomers who didn't grow up with it. And now the people in power are younger. And here's how I know for a fact that's happened is because this weekend I got an email from WM, which is one of the major agencies, which we had a falling out with like years ago. Young agents are like. You had like an agent that like kind of screwed you over or something.

And they didn't screw us over. It's just the game. It's just we didn't know how to play the game well. And it is a game. But like, it's a bunch of like young ages like, hey, we love your stuff. Have you considered doing a movie? And I'm like, ah, I'm on the,

I'm no longer persona non grata. I'm now a new generation of kids are looking for the next big thing. I'm like, all right. Wow, a movie. Cool idea. I can't wait. I guess we've spitballed, dude.

That's crazy. You can do that. I feel like I have a vague memory of a video you made a long time ago where you were talking about this and how did you, did you take a break from YouTube because of this problem where

No, it was, it was, we got to a point where we've done three seasons of video game high school. Yeah. And that did open up some doors. We did a, we did a first look deal with Lionsgate for shows. So we did two shows with Lionsgate through Hulu. But then what happened was this was right at the transition time

when all the streamers were like, hold on, hold on. Why are we paying licensing fees? Why don't we just make it and own it ourselves? So we were in this like weird transition time where they were like, cool, we're not going to promote your show because it was just a license deal. We're going to promote the show that we made

because we own it and we can hang on to it for reference. We were like, ah, we were just off on that. And then we were, we spent, we grew up, got huge, got hired a bunch of people, had no money. We had to fire a bunch of people. And then we're like, fuck, we got to make a D&D podcast. That's what we did. One of my next questions was when did the D&D podcast come into this?

This was, so again, like, I think that like at its core, you can get away, get away from the platforms, whatever. It's just like in the end of the day, you're just trying to entertain people online, however they come to you, right? Whether it's a podcast, whether it's video, whether it's whatever, right?

So at that time, it was just looking at it and being like, well, this is an interesting form of storytelling. This is an interesting approach. That's a mix of improv comedy and whatever. And we can just get on a mic and do it. And then it's when we did. We did it right before the pandemic, which was really good timing.

Yeah. But I will say, though, like the scale of YouTube deals is such a different. It's like, it's so funny. seeing like the way that goes because it's like damn like it used to be like dude nobody would talk to each other everyone was getting screwed by these ad agencies

all the ad agencies were talking to each other for the life of me I could not convince my fellow YouTubers would be like guys we should share the details of what we're seeing because otherwise we're all getting posed and so and so would do a thing for like pennies on the dollar comparatively and be like well don't do that you've much better following

that nobody knew everyone was a wild West I've always been very open with other streamers about how much I make but one time I was on a shoot, I was on a set and I, a streamer had asked me like how much I made and I told them. I didn't realize I was miced up. Oh, no. In my

contract, I was told, I guess, not to share the details. I didn't know this. And so I get a call from Calbeat. He's like, hey! Apparently, and I learned that I've been like basically listened to and then narked on for sharing the details. Wow. So I have to do it. I have to do covert now. Everything else, yeah.

I sent it through my signal. You have your special telegram group that you send out. Quickly, quickly. Pete Hegseth is in there. They talk about the Gulf of Oman. It'll never come out. It'll never come out. Yeah, yeah. We're locked tight. On the topic of like YouTubers,

do you think there's also an element of like, there seems to be a window of like, oh, we can make movies that go to streamers in theaters that cost comparatively almost nothing to make, but have like social credibility attached? I think the biggest problem, the biggest difficulty with the entertainment industry as the traditional one is that everything is too expensive.

It's just, there's too much stuff, just very basic. Like, I can entertain myself with so many other things than movies. It used to be that like movies was the top dog, right? Like, when you look at like,

Gone with the Wind is the highest grossing movie, but you're like, yeah, it played uninterrupted for a year because there was no other movies. There's nothing else to do. Something else to do. Let's go see Gone with the Wind again.

Dude, it was a great depression. Like, it was fucking huge. I've been reading about it. It was really bad. problem. They lost a lot of money. The money was all gone. It was all gone. It was all gone. Yeah, I think about that a lot. It's just stuff is too expensive.

And like it's, and it's also like set up in a way because it's just a lot of overhead. And she's like, yeah, it's just, this is going to be, it's a transition. With the cost to create like a feature is, I would, it's like lower than it's ever been in a way. If you're doing ideas and like concepts that can fit in it, you can still blow it, blow it up and be huge. And like a lot of this sort of, I think, traditional stuff, it's like, you're, you're spending 20 million, million on something. It's like, no,

no, no, guys, it's not that big of a movie. You know what I mean? So I think that that's, that's what's happening. And also it's like the YouTube people, it's like,

I think when I saw back rooms, the thing that I took away from it, I was like, whoa, they really just let them do his YouTube thing. It wasn't like, we're gonna make it and do this Hollywood kind of like structure and whatever.

They just kind of like, yo, cook, just do your YouTube thing. And all the YouTube people who are like into the lore and stuff are just like loving it. Right? I'm like,

oh yeah, great. They just, they let the kid do the thing. And they didn't try and get in the way of it. Which I think is cool. But also, you know, I'm sitting here being like, okay, I need to figure out a fucking horror movie. Here's my idea.

Dude, horror movie, right for this. Hey, check that. Okay. I got it right here. Backrooms two. What are they going to do? Public domain. It's all the internet.

What are you going to do? What are you going to do? There's more. I got a backrooms movie now. Another one. Let me add it. Let me add a subtitle. Backrooms two, the maxer.

The maxer. And he stalked the backroom. And he's the one. there. Everyone was like, there's no monster and this, well, I wasn't scared. It's like, oh, I'll scare you. Oh, there's a monster. There's a guy in a cyber truck and he's coming. And all the rooms have like steak, wallpaper.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're getting there. Now you're getting there. Now we're getting there. Now we're getting there. We're going to get you on the third one, bro. Okay. We're going to get you on the third one. I'm more of a third guy. Dude, it's clavicular walking around a little band-aid on his nose because he got a nose job. Dude, what is it with horror that it feels like the cheat code? It's like every

horror movies. Like, we made it for $24. We made $800 billion. Have you ever met like a horror, like a real true blue horror fan? And I define those as the people who, when they watch a horror movie, there'll be some background character. I'll be like, oh yeah, that guy was in Halloween 8. He was one of the

you, wait, how do you, you have like an encyclopedia knowledge, like the real horror perverts are people who know like every single person on it. Oh, hello. Hey, how's it going? Oh, you got to do your collection? Oh, he's here to collect. Sorry, this is, it's...

Sorry, it's a... I detached it. Um, a zipper. Oh, there it is. Yeah, yeah, there you go. It's all good. Yeah, so he, um, sorry, this is our... Uh, it's our...

It's her landlord. He's collecting red. Oh, yeah, yeah, that makes us. It's kind of like a vending machine. Like, it's... Yeah, he's got a vending... You got a rod. You got a rod.

It's a lot. You won't believe what that machine does. Yeah, so he modified, um, he modified my chair. So when I sit in it, it says a pedophile has sat in it. and then a big speaker says pedophile detected until I dispense quarters he's collecting

he comes every week to collage it is a lot I appreciate you man maybe no more other things to the chair the landlord bro okay much love man

love you man much love no more thanks to the chair though Michael Rebus everybody good guy dude he was tucked in shirt shit oh my god he lives

He had to collect. So far away. So far away. But that's the, that's a route. You just got to do the route, man. Yeah. The thing is, bro, it's passive income, right? Passive income.

Because, like, what is he doing while we're schmucks working for money? He's hidden all of the sets where he is one of those. That's right. He's going to marketplace place right now. Yeah. Here's the thing about horror movies. Yes.

The whole movie could be dog shit. But if has one good scare, a horror movie fan would be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a good scare. That was worth going to see. Whereas I'm a horror. Yeah, because if a drama where you're like, the main actor sucks, but you can't do a drama that way. You can't do a comedy. The main actor is just terrible.

So it just gets a pass. You can, because the thing that I think people are going for in a horror movie is the horror movie scare, the tension, the group thing. It's just, it's that I think. Horror movies are allowed to be camp. And the emotion you are getting from the horror movie doesn't have to do with a bad actor or a good actor. Exactly. The thrill of it as almost like a theme park ride, right? The thrill of it is the scares and the environment and what happened.

You also get away with a lot because you can be anywhere and see almost nothing. Yes. You can be, you can shoot the entire thing at your house. Yeah, kind of dog shit lighting. Yeah, yeah. Oh, your light could be the fact. The worst it is, the scaboogeier against. I mean, it's like, what's happening over there?

Great choice. They just use like the moon. Yeah. Very bold, experimental filmmaking. This is kind of what Dave does. Our DM actually. Yeah. He's like, okay, I'm going to be gone for an entire.

month, I'm shooting, I'm directing a feature. I'm like, what are you talking about? He's like, yeah, it's a feature. And it's like this horror movie about like, like a voodoo man in the south. And I'm like, you've done this before? He's like, dude, I've do a lot of these. I used to do directed DVD movies back when that was like the thing. Really? Oh, yeah.

That was like the old. When were you doing this? Before YouTube. Like essentially right in the years before YouTube, I was with the corridor guys and we were all like, they had finished a directed DVD movie that they had shot for. standard definition straight to DVD movies. Oh, oh, uh-ah.

The semi-HVX, 720P, my friend. Slow down. Fuck what you heard, dog. You couldn't upload that to YouTube. You couldn't upload YouTube yet. It would be cut off. It would be a little bit cut off. But they were doing, like, direct-to-d-d-d-d-stuff.

And, like, we were working on things. And, like, I did a, I did one that was called bear. And it was about, it was a minivan. And the minivan tips over because a bear attacks. And it's like, they get, and it's like, everyone's stuck inside the minivan. It's like a little, one location cheapo horror movie that this Dutch director directed and I produced it. And those

things made bank. And literally at one of the film festivals, you know, the film markets for it, they're like, hey, we sold it to Germany. I'm like, the movies not even done yet. Our sales agents, like, yeah, we sold it. Like, off of what? They're like, well, the poster. The posters got a bear on it on top of a turned over baby. Germans love bears. Germans love bears. Literally, it's what I said, they're like, Germans love bears. Like, they love that. And I remember at the same thing, and then at the same film market, AFM, American film market was big, like, same. an amy like a thing in November. Agent came back,

like, do you guys have any movies, ideas about turbulence? I was like, what do you mean like, the concept of a shaky, like, yeah, yeah, the plane can't crash because then we can't sell

to the airlines, but like, it's, you know? And I was like, no, we don't have any turbulence movie. Like, we've had three regions come in and ask for turbulence movies. We could sell it right now. Today,

we can get you money in the bank. Bolivia, Thailand, California, when you say sold to Germany, What does that mean? The rights, the regional rights. Because remember, back in the DVD era, you remember when regions,

DVDs have regions and you couldn't play it like in the... Yeah. So that was like a technological thing that allowed this to be like, cool, this DVD's rights are getting sold to Europe and getting sold to Japan. And you tell Germans who hate the Dutch, look, these four pedophiles got trapped in a van

and then a bear eats them. And they get to watch. And they're all Dutch. And they don't have the quarters to stop the machine. And it just goes the whole time. It's annoying, but it's the Dutch. What can you do? Yeah.

Four movies killed during that era too. Like how many, like of that movie, as an example, how many copies of that DVD sales? Or do you know, or you're just selling the rights? No, no, no. You're selling the rights. And a lot of times, like, that I think plays on like German television. And like, like, German television is crazy.

I remember going to Germany as a kid and being like, wow, tits. They got a tithe on. They got tithe on time. They got it on. 4 p.m. Titties. 4 p.m. titt. After school. After school.

We're sitting around watching Power Rangers. Oh, my. God, what are we doing? Watching Pokemon reruns and Power Rangers? Meanwhile, the German kids, they're getting full on milkers. His breasts again, I want to bear. Where's the bear?

It's always breasts. Quite sports of Cesar Erior. Are you familiar? I think it was called Asylum Studios. Yeah, yeah. I worked with some Asylum guys on that movie. And I got, I got mugged out so fucking hard on this movie. Because I'm the producer.

I'm like the person, like, I'm first time gig. I'm like, oh, and they're sitting there at lunch, the cool asylum guys who are all working on these, you know, low budget things. The coolest island guys. The coolest they're sitting there smoking their cigarettes and they're like, yeah, I'm renting out one of my things for a buck a week.

And I was like, wow, a dollar a week, huh? That's, how do you make any money doing that? The guy's like, a buck means a hundred bucks a week, dude. And I was like, oh, okay. I'm kind of like, 30 seconds later. I'm like, what the fuck? I signed this guy's checks. What are you talking about?

How dare you dunked me like that? Of course, I didn't do anything. I was like, oh, just go, Try and make the movie, don't you? It is funny because we have a distribution coming up for the yard as a company, and I asked Aiden, and I call him our money slave. Because he's the one who does it with the bank or whatever. Whatever, yeah.

Whatever, though. I'm the money slave. I don't care what it is, but I want yours this month. You're mine? I want yours, too. By all means? But Asylum Studios was, it was, they used to make movies. Back in the day when you rented movies or bought them,

they would make movies that were so similar to the movie you were looking at. that you would make a mistake. Yes. They would be the ones making backrooms to muggers. Yeah. The movie you see

in like a Japanese hotel room you're like this is fast and furious. Like this is clearly fast and furious. But that's not Dom Tureto. Yeah,

but that's not him. No, but it looks a lot like him. Is that Eddie Hong? It's that. It's that. I don't want to ask out of that. I'm not going to say that loud.

I can't say that laugh. Don't respect. It's probably. It's probably. It's probably. It's probably. It's probably. But like,

asylum is also where, like, what was it? Like, what was that shark? Shark. Shark. That type shit was where that came from. Tires, Sharknato. Yeah.

Tires, Bermic. Bermic is of that, of that kind of flavor. There was a whole era of like early Netflix like movies that were just like a, I remember Taintlight was a, was a twilight, like parody. It was almost in the vein of like epic movie. Yeah.

And there was like a big genre of these That felt like they were predominantly on it Because Netflix just owned like so much shit Yeah I don't think they really vetted a lot of the things they owned They just bought the rights to like a bunch of shit And then put it all on Netflix bro The FP

You watch the FP on Netflix What's the FP? It's a oh I remember this one It's a dance revolution Like gang war Gang war movie But it's all filled with white people And they all say the N word of it

But it stands for something It stands for a mantra Would you like to hear it? I would. Never ignorant getting goals accomplished. Look at that. What is this positive spin? Okay.

The FP is an awesome movie. The FP, it's a product of his time. What are those boots? Well, that's J-Tro, and he loses his brother B-Roe. In the beginning of the film. His brother's B-Tro? To a Dance Revolution off. To L-W-E.

The L-W-E, who has taken all the alcohol away from Frasier Park, which is the FP. and without any alcohol there's no bums and if there ain't no bums ain't no one to feed the ducks at the park dude what the fuck am I supposed to do

with no ducks I'm paraphrasing because there's a lot of uses of the airport it's an Asian guy who says this but how is a neighbor supposed to get any shit done without any duck this movie seems awesome

it's interesting it's awesome it was rad it was rad it's all buttoned no no Netflix is so boring they're suit and tie they got fucking red

in the boardroom anymore? No, it's not, bro. Dude, fuck, Netflix is like, would you like to play a video game? No, Netflix daring to come in and be like, hey, we got our version of Crossy Road. You want to give it.

No. Hell you yourself. No, I don't want that. We got rains. But the problem is that someone in this planet Earth is clicking that and being like, uh, cruz errant road.

Yeah. We got fucking hit up. You want to put your fucking podcast on fucking streaming service? No, we're a fucking podcast on Netflix. I don't even think people are clicking it. Like, there are, obviously people click in it, but like it is losing them business if they were to just have other movies and TV shows. I think they just really believe that, you know, video games are

140 billion dollar markets. We got to happen to the video games, dude. And I think, but I think it's a losing money endeavor. Yeah, because it's, it's like, if anything is, it's like, if you're not all about video games, like, you're competing against people who are. Yes. So it's like, you're not going to beat that guy. That guy gives a shit. No, and it's like, no one's playing Red Dead Redemption too. Like, I played a rame. on it and that was kind of fun low-key but like they do have a good game selection I'll give it to them because I did try it it's better than YouTube

you yeah overcooked on Netflix is fire I'm like the game selection is good overcooked on a video game console is also just better guys I bought the Google Stadia I think I have room to talk about this more than everyone did buy Google Stadia

not only that he did he buy the stadium he bought the Founders Edition You bought the Founders Edition of the Stadia so he can get The gamer tag that he wanted. Because you could pre-select your gamer tag to be whatever you wanted. That's what they got you!

And I'm like a, I'm a big account name guy. Like if I could have, you go. OG tags. OG tag guy. Yeah, yeah. There's an old Freddie Wong video I remember where I never forgot this. You're playing, you're playing

Model Warfare 2 and you're in a lobby where there's like infinite noob tubes and you're running around. But there's a, the interesting part of the year to me is when the camera pans down to your controller and you have, an control freak stick extender on your right stick.

Were you ahead? Were you playing that game like that? Yeah. That's wild. The moment that I could get a little more spatial fidelity on my right thumb, I was like, of course I'm taking that. Did you ever have squid grips is what they were called? No, I never just, my hands never that's sweaty.

I don't know that problem. Why would I need that? You're a subject. Oh, you need that. Oh, you need that. Okay. You are sponsored by Squatty. Are your Google Stadia controllers all right? How's the Stadia key? How's the plastic key holding up on the Stadia controllers, bro?

Okay, okay. Talk shit all you want, but chill on the controller. The controller was actually good. I played Rocket League with it for like a year. Dude, they had to like launch a software update to the controller after they canceled the program finally to get it to like work with their shit. They like intentionally bricked the controller

to like not work with other shit that wasn't Stadia. And then after they cut out. And they were like, five will let you use it for other stuff. It's funny because it feels like Netflix games is a kind of a version of Stadia. Like you could realistically stream an input reader to Red Dead Red Dead Redemption and play it on 500 MS. It's worse. It's worse than Stadio.

You know? Because my phone is the controller. Yeah. It's terrible. They were doing all kinds of weird like behind the scenes latency hacks to try and like Yeah, it was fake. It was like fake 4K. Yeah.

It was like a street. You probably know better than me. Yeah. They were staking, taking the, they were bratsyons. about 4K games, right? But they would run the game on the hardware in 1080P, but then broadcast a 4K feed of the 1080P games still. And they were like 4K gaming, baby.

Sick, dude. It's like not even an upscale. It's just like a broadcast of a 1080 thing stretched to your monitor. A clean scam. They got your ass. They got your ass with the bilinear scaling, bro. Hold on. The controller's nice, though.

I'm glad I have it. I'm a controller guy. The controller's a good controller. Okay, hold on. So you're, so you're a big controller guy. Yeah. All right. What,

where do you consider the pinnacle? It's a great question. It's a great question. Yeah. You have to factor in longevity, I think. I think so too. Because a lot of controllers don't. The elite feels good, but it's gone in the month.

Oh, man. I'm going to, I'm going to give it to 360. And the reason why. OG 360? Oh, G 360. Yeah. I prefer it over the one.

Yeah. I prefer it over the dual show. The one is light. It is one of these. No, no, no. He's the Xbox guy. I don't have a horse in this race. I'm just jeering from the stands.

I love the GameCube controller. It's like one of my favorite controllers personally, but the C-stick is too limited and what it can do. You can't play FPS games. You can't control a turret from a Humvee. No, no. You can't control a drone strike with a...

I played a... What was it? Time, not time-splitters. Some sort of FPS, maybe it was James Bond. I don't know. That was the day I was like, oh, I'm never playing a shooter on this console ever again. Yeah, when you're right,

stick is in an octo gate, you're not working well. It does make you wonder, like, I never played Gold Nye on the 64, but how that shit worked. How were people doing it? Dude, it's so shit. Well, it was shit, but at the time it worked. At the time it was awesome. At the time it was awesome.

I've gone back and it's so shit. The thing that was really crazy about Golden 9-064 was that they had an alt-control scheme, which required two and 64 controllers to do dual sticks. And I remember at the time being like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. That will never work. And then as time has gone on, right, the language. of how the things work has codified to like, I get it, it's this, and you look this way,

and this is usually jump, and this is aimed at size. But then every video game still has the section where it's like, you got to crouch under that. You got to jump over that, bro. Like every game has a bit where it's like better, I guess. In Gold and I as well,

the control schemes were named after old Bond movies. Oh, yeah, that's right. So you could switch to Money Penny, and it was different. But yeah, the dual controller setup was insane. I didn't even like it. I would like mad that they did that. Oh, yeah.

I was annoyed. I was like, what does this just look like an idiot? How dare you? suggest this to me. Little did we know how ahead of the time they were. Yeah. How old are you?

I am 40. 40? Yeah, bro. I'm 36. So, I don't know of that. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that, everybody.

Nothing wrong with me 36. And I think that's good. And that's good. Well, guys, do you notice anything different about me? My look. He's got a new, he's wearing a new piece up there. Same jeans.

You look like shit. Really? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. You are wearing a weird hat. hat from a weird bygone era

that says Bitcoin Latium It's Latinum and let me tell you this, I'm wearing something that you can't see but once you figure out you know I'm wearing it basically You're wearing a thong again. I'm wearing a Prince Albert Oh, ow! Did that hurt? It hurt really bad. It was

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Yeah. Okay. Let's get back to the episode with Freddie Wong where I was wearing it that day too. Got a few shot. On Freddie Wong's day? Archie turned his penis from Freddy, make it into Fred. Like anamorph. Title IX tells me this is great and everything.

I couldn't find out. I was looking for a photo of when I, when I switched from playing, I played Call Duty pretty seriously. And then when I switched to playing Super Smash Brothers in tournaments, I was like, oh,

I should try to, like, I bet there's people in this community haven't, like, modded their controller, like, Call-O-Duty guys have done it. Oh, yeah.

I bet all this stuff that, like, makes you better at this game. And I made this disgusting, like, it was a GameCube controller, but the left stick was a control freak that I super glued to it.

Oh. So the stick was long, and then it had squid grips on it. Oh, my God. And it was like this, like, monster. And it was so bad.

for melee because that game has snapback. Yeah. So you let go with a stick and you fully run the other direction for a second. Like you don't even just turn around you fully run the other direction for a second. Bringing that controller is a story

if you met yourself. Yeah. It's a story you would tell later on. I met a guy who had squid grips on his controller. I was telling him last night. I was playing Counterstrike two nights ago.

And I got into a game against a guy on the other team who we had a mutual friend on Steam and I was like how random did like meet him random person? And I would go to my friend friends list and I'm like I don't know who this is on my friends list and I'm trying to I'm asking the guy I'm like who is this mutual friend that we have and they're like oh that's Tony and I think they're messing

with me because I'm like I don't know a single Tony in my life but I don't add anyone on Steam like it's only people I've met yeah and I'm like what Tony who the fuck the only anthony I know is him and really really dig and I get to the end of it and I figure out who it is it's this guy from my college who rolled up to a tournament once with a new idea to use rock climbing chalk while he played and he had full chalked hands and it didn't work and the the chalk

all liquefied and like permanently fucked his controller and I must have liked this guy so much I added him on Steam I want there's a pinball league close to where I'm at and I want to go in just as a villain

like straight up where I want to wear the bad boy I want to wear first of all these guys we'll do it but like padded pinkerless gloves and like I want to roll in with an Applevision pro and be like I scare I record all my game so I can analyze them later in okay and like face down like the opposite because like usually is pretty chill pinball

but like there's some like hardcore motherfuckers in pinball like but like but there's nobody who's like yo that's dragon over there dude dragon and like acid and I was like the problem is the problem is it only works if I'm like fucking good yeah or if I know a lot about pinball which is good rolling up in the pinball local clearly watching porn on your vision bro. And your dog shit at pinball. Every time I lose, I'm like, that was glitch. You see you.

I saw the glitch, the bumper glitch. And then just me in the corner, staring into the corner and just clearly just like, fumbling the cab with your hip, like smacking it. Yeah. So I was thinking about it. Because here's the thing, right? If someone beats Dragon, that's a story for them.

Isn't that what we, you know what I mean? Like, isn't that bringing more joy into the world? A hundred percent. He was dragging. He watched porn the whole time. The whole time. He was generally probably the worst. guy there.

Probably the worst guy there. I mean, to be fair, it all kind of circles back to the FP because that's kind of the conceit of that, that movie. That is kind of your VJHS character. It is. Like, minus being horrible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And watching porn.

And watching porn. Do you have a favorite, like, like, webborne series that, like, back in the day, like, what is that what is that what is? Oh, right. Right now, easy. It's a primitive technology guy. Primitive technology is the purest YouTube channel. Like the, I build huts out of mud.

And it's like, and the crazy thing about him is that, like, not only did. other people see his thing and try to do it with like, they copied the way. And they're doing it with like power tools and they're cheating. And they're cheating. And like still not as compelling. Because the reason why he's compelling is like when you watch him start a fire, you're like, he's probably top 10 fire starters alive right now with two sticks. Right. And I'm like, I have to imagine he's like at least as good as any given caveman.

Yeah. From like, oh yeah. 100%. So he's crushing caveman. So to be able to like, you know, this guy's caveman skill level for. to stick fire is like top tier. Like that's a, I'm so blown away that I get to see that. So are you also

like an outdoor boys enjoyer then? Oh, love outdoor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. To me it's like there's, there's so many good YouTube things that are like pure YouTube. That that's what they care about. They're not trying to do other stuff. And it's like, those to me are the things that are the most interesting. What's your algorithm like right now? Oh, my algorithm is insane. I love my algorithm. My algorithm is crazy. I think that there's a there's a sweet spot for YouTube videos is that like 10 to 50,000 views. Oh yeah.

Those are the best videos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because those are for the real perverts for whatever that thing is. And it's enough production value that you're like, okay, it's not like, they're not making the easy mistakes. I got really into a fashion YouTuber because of this. Like he's like really deep in the fashion world and basically makes videos like this for a hardcore fashion audience.

and he had like one video pop off, which is the one that I initially watched. But now he just like, he goes to like Paris Fashion Week and does like all these like minor reviews of things. And these get like 50,000 views. This to me is the era that we're entering, which is it's only gonna be full send YouTubers now.

Like there's no such thing as someone being like, oh, I'm just gonna do this on the side. And like whatever's like, no, no, no. The person who cares about like there's this one guy follow on TikTok and he just does like, he finds ancient maps of like regions in England. and like goes and finds out of a video of him he was finding like Peter Pan's Gray or something.

It's like like bro, the guy to be that guy, you have to care so much about that. You can't fake that. And that's like so much more real than anybody who's like, oh, I'm just going to try it. You have to dominate the niche.

But then there's always going to be like those variety guys who can, you know, jump into the niche. That happens like in live streaming with jinxie. But see, they don't last. No, no. That's the difference. And he comes in and he adds like a big wave

and then leaves to find a new niche. Yeah. And he jumps. You hear that, right? I am that, um, two, but smaller than jinxie.

But the difference is, but here's the difference, right? It's like, it's, but you're not like, you're not like one of these guys who's just like,

doesn't understand where it's coming from, doesn't understand, like the baseline of it. Oh yeah. You're not, like when you care about something, you care about it. And there's so many people that are like,

oh, this is a thing I can get views. Let me just see if I can, you're like, no, I don't care about those people. When I get a recipe from like TikTok and the guy has like a hot sauce,

holster. I'm like, I'll listen to whatever this guy has to say. Because I don't even care if he's accurate. He's passionate about it. He cares enough about it that he's like, yo, I got a holster for hot sauce.

I'm like, I'll listen to what you have to say about hot sauce. I'll trust your hot sauce recommendations over anybody else because you're living it. You're doing, you're walking the walk. There's an appetite for sincerity now more than ever. And the people who are actually, that just rise to the top naturally.

I think you just tell. What kind of, I thought I had recently kind of fucked me up. So I have a, my method is I have like an older YouTube channel that I just made call duty montages on. And I only log into that channel if that is the home page that I want. And I've maintained the algorithm to today. So if I go onto that channel right now, the call, every video was uploaded like like over 10 years ago on the front page.

The level of call duty montage at this point is so sick. Yeah. They're going to open blender. When the open blender and you're doing the transition. and stuff. Like, I'm so blown the way if I call Duty Montages now.

Like, editing. Like, people are just so much more familiar with just the concept and what goes into editing compared to, like, when we started to the point where, right, like, Michael B. Jordan's reacting

to a sinner's edit. That was a TikTok edit. It's just a hit a certain way. You're like, all right, cool. Do you have an opinion on, like, like, plug-in slop? Like, how everything has kind of become like a... I feel like what I've seen a lot of...

I mean, this isn't new. I feel like this actually was born kind of a similar era as Call of Duty montage making was like oh what plugins did you use on this and that's always been and then like pirating a you pirating like all of like BCC or something and then just like I don't really know how to edit but I know how to like or I don't know how to do like visual effects but I know how to like put these three things on and everyone had the same tools right um at that time at the time it was something and get all the same

at the time it was way more gatekeepy yeah it's impossible to gatekeep now at the time it because like at the time it was more like oh you're in sony Vegas you're in yeah you know final cut pro like I was using fucking motion I was using Apple motion. You and Joe Penna. Mr. Guitar Man was also like a motion, Apple Motion. It was right there. It was right there. It was right there. It was right there. I had to use it. Moving. Notion was a was a node based

VFX composing so early on. Can I tell you? I had notion. I had notion. Motion. Motion. Motion. I had them all because I worked to Apple and they gave you all their programs for free. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I downloaded all of them and I opened all of them. And but the ones that were too confusing for. me I closed out of mostly top tier confusing program

I used motion to create the only thing I remember creating in it was a title sequence for a video which was a copy of a Ryan Higa video

called how to be a poser which is like a skateboarding like how to be a ninja like how to be ninja I remember that video nope I said the word poser I didn't say what ninja could be code for

that must have been 2000 I don't know like 10 or something dang dude Um, yeah, and then I learned after effects. I went to a summer camp. You went to a summer camp?

This was all off the back of watching your videos, by the way. The amount of knowledge that I've gained from summer camp, like extracurriculars, it's like, this doesn't happen anymore, right? Like, I'm so jealous of the YouTube era now where it's like, oh, you want to learn? I was at the, I remember being like, fuck, I had to go to my local library and get a book. Yeah, shit like that. And like, page, I'm like, well, this didn't have the answer that I need for the thing I want do.

I'm like, okay. Done. There's a YouTube video for everything. And like, you know, like, you know, You can get so good, so fast. There's a... If you care about it. A really good baker in Burbank,

um, who I did a video with. Yeah. And, and I was like, how'd you learn to bake? He's from France. And I was like,

I was like, I worked out of French baker. He's like, yeah, YouTube. Yeah, I used to be like a footballer and then retired and I just, yeah,

on the television, there's your own Zamanzeo. I think he's like a bakery in Burbank. I used to, I used to, I used to Torit like plugins for like final cut pro and then, but not have,

not have the like the crack. so it would just, it would just like, it wouldn't be paid. And sometimes the crack just wouldn't work either when they would update. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

and so I would render out the entire thing with the white X on, on the footage, and then put it back in and then mask, gosjean blur the X. Oh my God. So it just had like a blurry X on the video

in the scenes in which I used, yeah, it was better than not having it. Better not having it. Desperate times. YouTube also helped out a lot was self car maintenance. Oh my God.

Because also all of those, they're doing it. one hand. Yes, they are. They're fixing it and they're like, they're sitting there like, that guy knows what he's doing. You need both hands. Yeah, the mechanism that makes your break light work in a Honda Civic is, I learned how exactly that works and I fixed it. Dude, he's a man had that problem earlier and then he showed me out of it. You can find the exact model year of your car. It was like my car. Yeah, it's right. He just owned it earlier than I did. Short form thoughts. Yes. Is that on your homepage? A little bit. We have, we still have like ideas, right? Like,

like, you just have them. Uh, like, there's one very stupid one. Um, which I don't even goes anywhere because it just cracks me up but it's like I'll pitch it to you you know how like in wine Somalia is they do that test

to be like before you become a Somali you have to do like oh yeah yeah taste in they're like oh this is a region yeah yeah it's the exact same step

we go find the hotel and it's a it's a first person shooter Somali and the guy sits down and looks at and he's like Eastern European developer Unreal Engine 4

let me just touch the mouse linear acceleration this is Eastern European developer this is a piss filter this American double A like it's just like He does all the categories.

Because I was sitting there and being like, man, you could just like, I could touch your mouse and tell you exact year this game came out. Like just by the way the camera moves. Like you could at this one. Smelling the mouse pad. It's like, Chipotle stain. That's guacamole. That's what I'm on.

Coke zero. No. Coke sherry zero. Dude, it's like that fat guy who could identify like which McChicken he was eating, like which variant. It was very impressive. I forgot what it was. There's a caseo video.

This is a keto. You can tell every burger from every burger from every variant. every restaurant by picture. And every time he gets one right, he goes, no, I can't get the next one too. And he gets all,

he gets 100%. Yeah, he goes for like seven for seven. But yeah, the identifier. We're thinking, we're thinking about, but also like,

because this is like the thing right now, which we're doing a movie right now. Yeah. It's an action movie. It's more in line with kind of like what we were doing on the YouTube side. Very good stunt team. I think it's going to be really fun.

It's, we're aiming a theatrical release next year. We're just, we're just like, thank God Mark, Markiplier did what he did. Because like the weekend after Iron Lung.

We got so many emails back that were just in the ether being like, hey, we'd love to talk about. Like, thank you, Mark, Claire. My boy, carving the way ahead of us. But we're trying to do a theatrical release

with it. And part of that is like, all right, we got to get the online presence going again. So it's like, well, what does that look like now? Especially as a channel that's like a legacy channel that's like old uploads.

I think the meta is very different now. But I also think what we have to offer is different on YouTube. Because I think the perspective that we have is like, oh, this is like an actual, it's different. We have all this stuff around the movie. We were shooting BTS the whole time. So I think it's gonna be a mix.

You know, we're just gonna try shit. The end of the day, you just have to try shit and see what hits. Yeah, I think what's cool is that you do shit. And I think a lot of people want to do shit. Because I was thinking about you two. Oh. Because these two are writing a series. Yeah.

But it's becoming like, you're kind of becoming, you know, guy who's writing a book. It's becoming the perpetual project that doesn't move. Yes. You got to get it on its feet. Yeah. But that's hard to do. It is. But you do it.

Well, am I crazy? Like, you've put out two features in the last like eight months? Sort of. Yeah. We did a little feature-length documentary around the, we pre-shot a sequence for the movie. Yeah. Not really pre-shot, but just like testing stuff out. Like just being like questions that we had.

Like, okay, how much stunt rehearsal do we need to do this? How much, you know, just like all the logistics stuff. so that when we did the full thing, we were coming into it with answers. So we did like, our BTS guy Justin was shooting the whole time. So it's like, yeah,

this is a honest look at the actual process for it. And I recognize that there's gonna be people who are like, I don't care about that. But I don't care about those people. I care about the people who do give a shit because that narrower band is I think the way,

is how you build stuff off. You have to be, you have to be hitting the people who are actually caring about what you do. Those are like your forever fans. Like those people are going to be the people who are sticking around watching all your projects.

Yeah. And I think, fundamentally the process of filmmaking is interesting and is different than kind of your usual run-of-the-mill thing. So I'm like, okay, I think we actually have something really interesting here. So, like, for example, one of the things that we're doing for the movies, we're going to blow up, like, we're blowing up a model of the set because of the finale of the big explosion. But we're like, we got to, I'm like, we got to do the Independence Day style. Like they built, you know what I mean? Like the big wear.

But it's like, all right, well, there's a lot of stuff that goes into it because it's also like, well, who's doing that right now? Like nobody, there's very few people in that miniature world doing that in the Hollywood side because everything became CG. Like Casino Royale was like one of the last big movies that had tons and tons of miniature work. Wow. It's like all the sequence at the end when the like the building is going into the water. If you watch those shots thinking that it's a miniature, you'll start to realize, oh yeah, it is like a big giant model that they're like doing this. In Discord last night, I was yelling at my two friends, Nick included, about how much I love Casino Royale. You said it's one of the best movies of all.

all time. I said it's one of the best movies in the world. Yeah. It's good. It's good. It's the best Andrew Craig. You don't want to hear that. It is the best down Craig. You hate to hear someone go, yeah, it's good. When I say the best movie in the world, I don't want four guys say it's good. It's top 50. No, it's fair. Top 50. I'll give it top 50. That was last night. You know what? You could probably get the guy who did fucking Independence Day. No, they're all retired. Everyone's like I'm saying. Like that's the, that's the Yeah, there are lost tricks in Hollywood, like constantly. That are just, because they've been taken over by.

What are other things besides miniatures that are, like, dying out that you are really difficult to find? Like, matte paintings. Matt paintings. Physical math paintings. I was watching, like, a 60 minutes thing about the Odyssey coming out. And Nolan was talking about how there's, like, one guy left who cuts 70 millimeter film. Yeah. Wow.

And there's stuff like the thing that, like, the dream, because I also do pottery on the side, the dream pottery gig already happened, which was there was a guy in New Zealand. who did all the mugs and Steins for Lord of the Rings. And it was his studio. And also he had to make them scaled because like when the hobbit's hold it has to be a certain size in their hands and stuff.

So like, I'm like, that's the coolest gig of all time. Just be like, we need all the mugs in the world of middle earth, like design them. And then you're just forever the middle earth mug guy.

Like that's a forever business. That's like a forever move. I was just like, I made that mug. You can just keep telling them. You want Gimley's mug? I can make it. Because that was me.

By the way. I did that one. Who did that. I did all of them. You know what's kind of weirdly fading out in a way is like green screen. It's, yeah. Well, it's going to bounce around because everyone went to volume world. Like, Mandelorian did volume.

Everyone did volume world. But then it was like, like the, the, like, the unreal, like, filling in the background on the big LED wall. Yeah. It's like kind of like Batman. Yeah. But then the funny thing about that is like, when you actually do it, it's like, you do need to like still do VFX on that shot.

It's not like a total clean thing. It's not just like done and baked. So then like people are starting to be like, I don't know if this is actually, I think volume works for car stuff really well. But then also, when I watched panel first season, I was like, why are they only walking 20 feet? And then they always cuts. Like, we were just watching.

Like, you see someone like, a wide shot someone walking. And be like, and cut. And like, it'll always be like the exact width of what the volume would have been. And then they got to a close up. And you're like, okay. I've just, I've started noticing that when I see like a farm to table green screenshot, I'm like, nice. This is like a feeling I never had before?

Because I see like, because before you go, that's green screen. I'm like, oh, green screen fucking cheap. ugly look. I can tell. It's like, experiment one. Yeah. When I tell them like, oh, it's like a warm, fuzzy feel. Because I just really, I don't like the LED wall like look. There's got this vibe to it. Yeah, there's a certain like it's a little bright. It's a little more washed out. Like the ones who are doing it right, they go in and then redo the whole thing. And they just use the edge data because it's like, whatever. It's like, it trends.

Gonna change. At the end of the day, it's just like, what gets butts and seats? What gets people actually interested in this stuff? Yeah, scare them. I don't question. It's horror movies. It's horror. It's always been horror movies. If you had $500 million. But it only could go toward a project and not awesome crypto. But actually, you can go towards anything because I'm curious if there's maybe a porn adventure. Let's avoid that a porn invention.

What would Dragon do with $500? What do you make? And is this meant to be for like public consumption? Yeah, it's not just. By the way, this is why I have no respect for billionaires. Because the answer to that could just like, listen, I'm redoing the first matrix, but I'm in it. And it's just.

Yes, bro. It's like, I'm Neil now. I'm getting everyone. There's a room in my house where you have to watch it. Have you seen Jack Ma's Kung Fu movie? No. Have you guys heard about this? Jack Ma, the CEO.

With the Alibaba guy. Alibaba CEO has the ousted the, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can find this. It's called Gongshodao. It's a, uh, it look it up. Just look up Jack Ma's Kung Fu movie. He straight up did a four, like 30 minute kung fu movie. It's him fighting Jet Lee, Tony Ya.

It's like the lineup of guys. And he beats them all with his like, Aichi style kung fu. And it is like, that's, that's Wu Jing who's like big, a big Chinese actor. And it's like,

Donnie N in it? Donnie N's in it, yes. And like every single one of them is he fights them and then he beats them. Dude. Oh my fucking. Because also when, by the way,

when you see Jack Ma, you're like, that's Jack Ma. Ready? Like, this is an awkward looking dude. Yeah. It isn't the same level of beauty and power from the others.

It looks like a commercial. So this is... It's shot like a commercial. So he just goes and he like, it's the ultimate Vandy project. He just beats every Kung Fu guy in the world. It's so cool, bro. And there's no, there's no marketing.

No, it's just this was his thing. He was just like, I wanted to make this and then I did it. So that's your 500 mil? My point is that the fact that like this doesn't... The fact that Zuckerberg doesn't have like a fucking sick call of duty reel for his judo. Like, I'm like, what are you talking about? Get out of here.

And so he literally just goes through and it was a 22 minutes. long, a true joy just to watch like a, you know, tech CEO decide to spend a bunch of money on a action move to live his dream. It's like the child would do. I love the idea. It is. This is inspiration. To me, I'm like, this is a class. This is a class. It is like, helped him up.

It is like paying for a Royal Rumble and being like, I'm the winner. I'm the winner. I'm the winner. Let's say you make the Matrix and you put yourself in it, but you're like tank on the ship. Oh, yeah, yeah. You have a inferiority complex. You're like, I'm no. I can't. I'm no Neo though. I'm no Neo. 500 mill, any movie I would want to do. They're like what you dream project, right?

Dream project right now. There's two crazy ones, which will never happen, which is a board game adaptation. Matt, my co-director and co-writer has been on this nonstop, which is, you ever play Kingdom Death Monster, which is like, hey, sometimes you sometimes in the world, you see someone who just gets to do their creative thing and they're just doing it and they are making tons of money and they are just off doing their thing. this guy named Puts who's this

he made a board game put on Kickstarter it's this weird fucked up like monster design like board game it became it's a whole thing

You play this shit zipper no no he's a board game guy That's a board game guy That's a monster bro But it is like weird and fucked up and all the monsters

he made a bunch of money because it's like miniature painting people like love his models and his designs and there's just like some of the most some of them wow shit

like oh my god but then he also came out like and by the way such gooner shit too like there's so many like just buff chicks and buff dudes and you're just like

otherworldly monsters oh there they are like there you go do it's us all playing that's Aiden with his big rack 100 million dollar adaptation of this as a as a movie would be

insane it would go so hard dude the minister's like oh yeah it's so funny he's about to say the mini wait reverse lagamore we scrolled down to like

the big ass bunny but here's what he is that's a me bro. He is a person who loves designing and making these managers and he's like, and he is fine. Apparently, if you go to the board game cons, he shows up, there's like lines of people around him. He shows up in like

fucking sunglasses and an hour. He's like, he's like a dragon. He's got an outfit. And you see him like across the room. Wow. Much respect. So that's Project 1. That's Project 1. And that's only 100 mil. So you get another 100 mil. Yeah, yeah. Four and I would go outside of the realm of film. I've had this idea for a while. I'm very psyched about it.

I want to do a horror theme park. Everyone loves Halloween. Horror nights. Everyone loves this. Everyone loves a good horror theme park. True. Now here's the thing, though. The problem is when you walk those mazes,

you're always just like, all right, it's a fucking, it's a magic jump scare, whatever. What are we actually scared of in a theme park? The fear of mechanical failure. The entire theme park

is designed to stress you out to be like, am I going to die on this roller coaster? Like literally everyone's an actor. Like they're hot. The teenage actor who's running the things just like, all right,

you guys can go, the bar's still up. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. Like the whole time. It is just the scariest experience because you're like, I'm going to die. I can't ride any of these. The hot dogs all give you like acid reflux.

You're like, do I have good? Oh, it's like when a bungee jump attendant is like, oh, it thinks a little bolt fell off and they drop you. You have a stunt guy like when the roller coaster comes on. Like he's running across the track to get in his hat. Like the whole time. He's genius. Yeah.

It would make no money. Everybody would have to sign a stack of like liability wavers this thick. But for the three months it would operate it would die Some people would die endless bronze statue of the guy who had the capitated by the Superman ride Oh Oh yeah In the middle of the park Oh yeah

Yeah, yeah Yeah, I love the idea of a roller coaster starting to move on the track and then Someone being like stop stop Yeah, it just goes and you're like The whole time Yeah This would be for It would make no money

But that's fine It would cost about a hundred million Exactly Do you have three more ideas you could do? The lawsuit would cost the other three. The lawsuit covers the rest of it. There'll be some guy keep filing lawsuits. You just pay him off too.

You just settle with him out of court. And then you realized later on. He wasn't even part. He wasn't even there. Just extracted value from you. Are you going to make shit forever? I hope so. Here's the difference, right?

This is why I'm so psyched. Want to be fat and happy with your money. No, but here's why I'm so psyched about this moment. No, I got to get, yeah, go ahead. Sorry, sorry. You got to be careful of islands now. Pennsylvania, peninsula. Oh, we have a, we have a,

a really good. I have a really good oh, here we go. $500 million. This is the movie I'd make. All right. Let me pitch it to you real quick. You start with, it is a middle-aged lady. She's clocking into her shift at Amazon. And it is just Amazon workplace

facility. She's going in and he's seeing her desk and she's trying to keep up with the orders and packing things and taping it up and you see on her desk. A picture of her two kids. You're like, oh, okay. Mom? Oh, dang. She's still working at this age sucks. And as she's going, she's starting heart attack

and medical murder she's on the ground no ever her co-workers they can't help her they need to keep their score up and they're still there

go hey can someone they're trying to hit the butts and then she her body gets mutilated destroyed by the robots and are zipping around tore up bloody hell and she's dying

on the floor last dying breath in this Amazon warehouse and she looks to her two sons the pictures on there cut to her funeral the wake We're at the bar.

The two sons are sitting there and they're looking above camera and we're pushing in slowly and you see the coffin and it's like you know traditional wake back there and they're sitting there and they're fucking

they got their drinks and they're looking at the thing and they're pissed. You cut behind. It's Jeff Bezos being like we've just come down the space. Space is incredible

with him talking about the space mission. And then they're looking and they look at each other they nod. Cut to. They are unloading their truck at the gates of Jeff Bezos's estate.

And they're loaded guns, everything. They're decked out. And the movie is called Bezos must die. And it is then 90 minutes of the most shit kicking,

blowing shit up. Fuck Rich people. They start on the 99th bottom floor of his home. And they go and they're the rain. They're getting just to Bezos. And it's like they kill

all his private security. They riddle his cars. And it's just like, and there's no. And by the way, it's not like when you get there. It's like, oh,

it's someone who looks like, Oh, it's someone, some other name. It's like, it was like, no. Jeff Bezos. And the movie is called Bezos must die. We spent three years. We got the license. Yeah.

We got the license. And you do it. And you do it's Amazon and you defaig and it's him. It's on Amazon video. It's on Amazon Prime. We cut a deal with Amazon. You get a free month of Amazon Prime. There you go.

And one worker was spared from the making of this film. There's like an uninterrupted 80 second scene. One shot of. a guy just firing a machine gun. Oh yeah. Just unloading it. Just unloading it. Hang it into.

And fucking Boberna's fucking pelton. And there's kind of like an inception type ending. You don't know if it was like Robo Bezos or real Bezos and it's like up to the audience. There's another Bezos waiting

on a helipad. It cuts to all the billionaires in their bunkers and their basos just got killed. And then it's video finish like, you're next motherfucker. Just like right there. Done. Bezos 2.

Bezos 2. First blood. It's in the back room. I'm just telling it right now. If that movie was available and you saw that trailer, you'd be like, I'm watching that movie. It's a must watch. All it has to do is just be a fucking thrill.

Yeah. Oh yeah. The sickest action you've ever seen, right? Like just awesome. The motivation set up from just the intro. Three scenes. That's all you need to get the motivation. And then it's just gunshot, like literally the waveform for it.

It's just like a block after a certain point. It's a loud movie It's what the director wanted It's intentional actually Very very Nolan-esque in the sense You can't hear what anyone's saying over the gunshots I do love the fucking sign There's like a picture

I don't read it It was like a sign at an interstellar showing And it's like he wanted it this loud He wanted it this loud It is not the theater Please stop telling us to lower it Yeah I was thinking about that the other day Because I was thinking about sinners

And I'm like it's a fine movie But I think my favorite part of it Is the very end when he just opens up a crate of guns and he's like, I'm gonna kill all these racist white people and have a fucking awesome shootout. And I found myself, I think, at thinking about that,

I was like, what if the whole movie was like that? Oh, yeah. I think you can probably do a movie that's like 70 minutes long now. It used to be right, they have to be like 80, 74 and contractually it's like to be a feature-length movie. But like, I feel like with the way things are going, everything's getting like shifted around.

Like, I bet you could do, you'd be like a, it's a 70-minute movie. He's already cutting the budget. Yeah, man. You got 500 million. You could do it. It's important, but it's important that you never overstay your welcome. Right?

You go in, you hit, you get out. A piece should only be as long as it needs to be. We need a marketing budget too. We're going to have to, Amazon's going to really fight to get the SEO down on this movie. They will. And we need to fight back. We're buying them out, bro.

We're buying them out, bro. Buy the whole company. We're buying, well, we'll buy the rights. The number I stated, it does not buy anything. Buy a license for Jeff Bezos. Yeah, I don't know. If you give it up $300. hundreds.

If you do it right, they have a full on legal discussion about what they're going to do about this movie. If you do it right, there's a meeting with very high pay. There might be a meeting because of this podcast right now. Yeah.

That idea is so sick. And we don't have 500. You do this right. J.D. Vance starts tweeting about it. And you're like, okay, all right. Let me sit Connery's pants on him. Yeah, and I would love. If I could ever get on like Fox News,

I would come in as the craziest dude. I'm dragon Dragon shows up like this on the news like yeah Sean are you watching porn Are you watching porn? No

No no Dragon owns up to it It's like you goddamn I'm gooning out right now I got 4K anime titties In my left upper quadrant It's just playing on a loop

at all times Because you bore me I got porn 80 The clawed I can see your dick Do you We could do it. What about, I mean, you did VJHS.

Have you thought about trying to get another series going like in the years? You pitched that one after. I think that the thing that like I think that people have missed because here's what we were always fighting when we were making VJHS, which was we had, our insight was very basic, which is that pro gaming is hilarious. Like the one of the greatest legal legends players is balls. Like that is hilarious. It's true. Now, at the same time, though, everybody we were talking to were like, can we make it cooler? Can we make it more like Friday Night Lights?

Can this be more like every jock-ass person that we were running into? Which is what Eastport got wrong. Yes. It's trying to make it like sports or like UFC or like. Exactly. And I was like, anyone who knows this understands that it's a little silly. And there's not a problem with that. It's okay.

We can embrace that. But every, like I remember like we had a deal where it was like AT&T had like, we're like, hey, we got some money maybe from AT&T. They want to rebrand the internet as the AT&TUverse. So in the game, they don't get online. They get on the AT&TU verse. They're like, shut the fuck up. That's the dumbest tip I've ever heard.

But like that was the kind of like thing around it. And like over and over again, people were like, because then when we were, you know, pitching other versions of it and continuing, they're like, yeah, but like we want to be cooler. We want to be like Friday nice. I'm like, you guys are just missing the point. Like you're missing the way. And like very clearly nobody watched ever in the meeting.

I have watched past like half an episode in the first season. Right? Because they would talk about like, maybe you could be a lot. longer form. I'm like, you guys, we did that. We did that for season two and three. Do you have fielding funding conversations after? So we were, what, like season one? Yes, because at the end of the day, every one of those seasons was a miracle that we got the money for it. Okay. Like, we were seat of our pants, like brand deals at the very edge, the forefront of like that sort of thing. Like, we had like a car brand deal. We did a thing with Dodge. We were trying to scrobble up the money any way we could.

And that we were able to do it and also basically have car blanche to just do. do whatever weird dumb shit we wanted to do with it. Like, Miracle. I'm forever grateful that we were lucky enough to get in, sneak it in past the goalposts because no one was like, everyone that didn't understand it, you know? What was the biggest concession you ever made on VJS for a sponsor? We had to use the Dodge Dart because they were pushing the Dodge Dart.

Now anyone knows cars knows that the Dodge Dart is a front wheel drive slow budget vehicle for entry. Like, so I remember our stud guys were like, we have this drift sequence. And they're like, you wants to drift this like, front wheel drive, like, how? I'm like, good luck. Make it happen.

Like, it happened. And give me a manual at least. To their credit, they made it happen, you know? But, uh, but, but in terms of like actually like, say like, no,

we're going to do this. I don't think we ever, we never. Like, we were just like, nah. Rockstar shit. Doesn't make sense. How much did VGHS make? So,

ha, ha, here's the, here's where it gets weird. VGHS was basically kind of barely breaking even every single time. because we were able to cover the cost of the budget more or less. And then this is we, a lot of people found it on Netflix. Netflix was at the time actually doing, uh,

streaming deals like licensing deals. So we've got a good deal for it. And it was one of those ones where I'm like, this is my ongoing hilarity, which I'm like, uh, cool. Technically on paper, we should have seen some profit from that at that point.

And I'm like, the people we were working with them like, hey, where's the accounting statements? And then pretty much some time passes and they're like, oh, we can't find, uh, and then a new guy comes up.

And every time there's a new guy, I'm like, hey, just a little task for you. There's some accounting statements that you got to look for. And it's just like, oh, I'm never going to fucking find it. I'm never going to see that money. So, you know, it made enough to, you know, cover us as we were making it. But in terms of like, oh, we didn't own it entirely. We did it with partners, right? It's like, yeah, that's the game, baby.

The game is you are going to get fucked. Everyone is looking for ways to fuck you unless you get them awards or you have. of the promise of more projects later because then they'll be like, well, we're not going to fuck them right now. We'll fuck them later. So like partners that had promised to sponsor the show and pay out, they didn't pay you?

They had paid up and everything. But it was just like when it comes time to actually collect receipts, all of a sudden, like, oh, you guys have a lot more marketing expenses. And it's like, cool, you want to audit our books? Go for it. You want to pay for the audit of the books? So you could go through that process to take the time.

It's like, it's just the game. Dude, you have a lot of, I feel like a philosophical point of view of the game in an acceptance of being fucked and it just is what it is, but you like the art so much that you're willing to play this game. My assessment has, in the year's sense,

is realizing how much the system in place is about extracting as much values you can from whatever it is. And the thing that really threw a wrench in the works with YouTube was that unlike the 80s era of SNL comedians becoming movie stars, guys like Eddie Murphy and Belushi

and like becoming movie stars. and becoming bankable actors, YouTube people were like, we can't get their money. They do their own thing. They deal with their own brand deals. They own their thing. So it's like,

it's really hard to figure out how the traditional system was just not well equipped to help that. Because as a certain point, they're just like, well, we don't see any of that revenue and normally we take a cut from that,

but they're the ones going out and doing their thing. So I think that with that in mind, it very much feels it's funny because like as we're doing this movie, as more YouTuber movies are going, up. It's like, okay, getting some call back from some of the old traditional side of things.

But now I'm like, I know how you guys operate. All right. We need to play this a little smarter this time. I think when we first got into it, we were a little bit wide-eyed and we're like, oh, wow, cool. Hollywood wants to do a show with us and we're going to do this. And then as time has gone on, you realize, like, oh, and the thing that really changes it is when you, when you, because we've been in the game so long, I'm like, oh, bro, I've outlasted all these people who like screwed us over. Now it's a new group of people. But now I at least have a little bit more experience going into it. Yeah, you're less naive and you're less desperate as well. And you're just more experience. Like it's funny, you're, you, you could be older than the guy coming in to like manage

the relationship. Yeah. Which is kind of interesting. The, the, I will always remember the first time Hollywood called us after we were doing YouTube videos, early, early days, we were doing like these, you know, skits and are getting, starting to get views, right? And we had, it was, uh, imagine entertainment, which was, uh, like Tom Hanks's company was like, we want to bring you in for a general. We had no representation. We're like, whoa. All right. Here we go. Bigly. We go in and they're like, this is what we think you guys can do. We're going to do the Dark Tower series from, uh, yeah, uh, right? And we're going to, we're adapting it.

And we're like, whoa, they're going to want us to fucking do something to the dark tower. Okay. They're like, we need someone to go through all the lore in the books and make a like a reference Bible for like all the references that Stephen King has. And we're like, okay. Like, and we think that you guys as online guys could probably do that pretty good. And we're like, what? Wow.

Not making it not making a film at all. No, that making a film at all. It was like, we're not going to with the computer. We wanted you to sit down

and like write down all the references that Stephen King made and make a bubble for the show runner to be able to do that. We're like, oh, oh, no.

Well, you'll get a little piece of candy. Yeah, but that was how those early, that's how they thought about it, right? And so to me, like when I hear about like, oh, hey,

they're looking for YouTube to do movies. I'm like, I'm so happy for that group of people to be able to like, that at least is the baseline at which they're getting, like treated is like okay thank you great fantastic all right fred your Wong conspiracy

corner yeah let's hear it do you think obsession was ghost directed by tarantino from Tel Aviv no I don't think so okay I don't think you heard it here first not not it's not a conspiracy you give a lot of credit to mark apply for paving the way but I feel like you also did like I feel like you were, you know, I guess there's good and bad. I'm not sure how you view it, but you were early to a lot. I've also,

I've learned in this weird roller coaster that you can also be too early. Yes. Do you feel that way sometimes? I do. Yeah. I feel a little bit like, like one being one of the bands

that like the Beatles referenced. They'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We love those guys like the Minutemen or whatever. And like, they're great. And like, nobody. But everyone knows the Beatles. Right. I do feel like there was an era of,

there was a point when it was like, ah, now the Beatles have shown up. And we're not, we're past the early origins of rock and roll into what it's going to become and what it's sort of, this has finally solidified.

But at the same time, I also realized that the real move is you don't want to be at the front of the pack. You want to be, you want Lance Armstrong at the front. You want a draft. Yeah. You can draft.

And you know he's getting caught for fucking drugs. He's getting caught for drugs. He's eating bugs in front. He has to pedal hardware. Like, I think about that for our D&D podcast, which is like a solid fourth place in terms of like the hierarchy of D&D podcast.

I'm like fourth, fifth place, depending on how you that's a good. Yeah, we're probably like, we're probably like, yeah, we're probably like, right behind us. Maybe. Yeah. We're behind, we're drafting. You're drafting.

We're drafting. We're drafting. You got a lot of draft. The wake is considerable. But at the same time, right? It's like, if you're at the front, you just, you eat so much shit. Yeah.

Like, sometimes it's nice to not have to deal with that. So you were in the front and now you're happier. I'm much happier not being at the absolute. Yes. Because I think it's, it's just, because you were at the absolute front for a bit. But luckily at the time when it wasn't, it didn't become the thing that it became.

It didn't, it's not, it was a different shape and it was like taken less seriously. And it was kind of, you know, because I feel like it's such deja vu right now because like, I remember when we were first doing YouTube,

people were like, oh, the next Spielberg's coming from YouTube. There was all these articles, people are like, where's the next great filmmaker? And I, to this day, the most shameful article that's ever come out about me was,

they're like, let's take a profile of two up-and-coming USC film school grads. On one end, we have Freddie Wong in the online realm doing things on YouTube. I'm like, okay, cool. Like, who are they putting me up next? On the other end, a little indie filmmaker by the name of Ryan Coogler, who's just made Freeville Station. I remember being like, bros, you guys can't come. Like, he's so much.

That's your Ken Chen. That's such a different thing. This is such a different thing. I remember the article was like, basically like, who knows who will win out? I can tell you right now that you guys doing great things like you know. But like you know, but I think it's

but I think it's easier because people are finally they don't just dismiss you outright. And that's like the thing that we were constantly fighting against was just people being like, what have you done? You haven't done anything. You haven't done a feature film. You haven't done whatever. But it sucks. Yeah, you have to fight that for 10 years and it's more like it's just a time thing.

It's just a time. But like at the same time I'm actually, I think that like when I think about nailhouse, which is the movie we're doing right now, I'm like, I don't think it would be that good. good if I had done it when we had first came up with it, right? Like, I'm bringing at least to that, like, the, the experience of knowing how to play it and knowing what works and knowing what doesn't

work. And like, I think that that's, that's, hey, that's great, you know. You finished Nailhouse. Are you like next day? Like, all right, next project. Oh, you have to be coming over with that shit like now. We're coming. We're thinking about that right now. You're never, you're never resting on the laurels. No, you can't because because the time it takes to get things up, right? It's too much of a gap. Yeah. You have to kind of be ready. Like if,

if, fingers crossed, like, season of invincible. Yeah. Yeah. Like, if fingers crossed,

the house does well, right? Like, you want to be able to be like, hey, here's, here's an idea. Here's a script.

Yeah. Because you have to be able to cap like, because they're going to call you right when it's doing well. Yeah. And you can't be like, ah, we're taking some time to think.

No, yeah. Yeah. As, as, as, uh, who was it? It was, uh,

Mamette, I think, wrote that like Hollywood agents are here's the double-edged sword which is when you're hot you don't need them when you're not they don't need you so I saw I saw um we're all going to die oh yeah uh which is the screener in Pasadena and I was thinking like well after watching it like what is your perspective on like the pathways of making something like when you make a okay you made a feature yeah you paid for it yourself yeah like are you thinking like okay where is this of land. Like, how do you conceptualize that?

I think internet versus trying to go for a streamer versus like, like, what is, how do you look at that? In its current iteration right now, when I, when I look at, what I think is the interesting cutting edge is what like reckless Ben is doing. It's guys, you guys like the Lego.

Yeah. Yeah. I got a whole episode about it last week. Yeah. Oh, and the fact that like, I was like, I was in, I was in that like the week after it's, he first premiered it and I felt behind the eight ball. Yeah. I was like, I'm too late to this. I need to up my I need to up my game in terms of understanding where stuff is coming from. But like for him when you, when the way he talks about it is like,

I think the only way that anything interesting is going to get made which is like he does not care. He just wants to tell a good story. He wants to be able to do it and like get it out in front of people. And like that's the extent of the thinking. I think you can you can get to you can get you can get you turn yourself in the circles if you get too much into like what's the strategy and whatever. Because like this shit changes all the time. Right. Like what people want what who's buying what have you like right now like streamers don't license movies.

So to me it's like for the first time people are like, hey, maybe you do it do a curry market do you put a video, put it up on YouTube. Right? On YouTube. To me it's always about like at the end of the day, it's just, you're just trying to reach someone beyond just like a passive scroll.

You want to involve the other person on the other end somehow through whatever means that you can. So to me, I'm like, I'm like, I just can't see it. I just want people to see it. That's it. So your first, like when you go into like, I'm going to write this movie, I want to make this movie. and then you make it, you're always the whole time,

like this is going on YouTube as like a, as like a first, like, if I got, if it doesn't get purchased or have some sort of massive pathway. So the pathway right now, I think, which is opened up is I think we can go direct to theaters. We found that with World War II die, which is that we ran into a guy who is a theater owner. And the way he describes is he was like, dude,

the problem isn't that like, for theater owners, it's like, there's not enough movies right now. And we have to play ball with all the studios because we want what they have. And there's so few, there's so little of it. It's like, you can just, sing a lot more rerunning of old movies as like nostalgia. Yeah. Come see this, you know, re-screening of this.

Yeah, but they can, so theater owners get to, if you're not in the big three, right, AMC, Regal, Cinemark, like, you got to, you got to play, like, he was describing like, look, we need minions. Minions, the family comes in, they buy popcorn. It's like bonanza for us. It's like, Universal knows we need minions. So they're like, yo, guess what? You got to play this other movie at this time and this, like, and we're like, yeah, yeah, sure,

because we can't get, I got to be on the minions list. Because he has. I got it. Deal yourself if you don't got men. You don't get a fucking minions popcorn bucket. You got a mug of a million or five of them? With no free refills. What's the point?

I'm walking in my Applevision goggles. Don't ask what's on them. Don't have what's on them. Don't have a ton of it. It's a minion. Coke freestyle machine. They all have Coke freestyle machines. I need minions.

With my remaining $100 million, I would buy out and trash all the Coke freestyle machines. Whoa. Finally someone fucking brave. Let's go. Come on this show. I feel like I've met my childhood hero and he did like a Nazi salute or something.

Okay. Listen. Who has the best Coca-Cola? It's McDonald's. Okay, sure. Because of their supply chain, because of the way that they mix it because it's a little sweeter.

Coke Zero, the Coca-Cola freestyle machines become an amalgamation of every flavor that has gone to it because I hate to break it to you. Throw in a little bit of the fizz water to try and like clean out the thing. It's not working for it.

I get a little pib. I get a little fanta. I get a little bit. I don't want that. I want Coca-Cola. That's the magic of the freestyle. I don't need it to be graveyarded out every single time I go. Interesting.

I get, listen, I get the flavors. I get the addition. I like the illusion, the capitalist illusion of choice. But guess what, baby, it's classic for a reason. It is an illusion of choice. You're still at the freestyle machine. They're still scraping the data from the machine and making new flavors with it. Oh, where?

Do you understand? Where? I don't know. In the fucking cloud. It's in the cloud. Show me the, show me. Show me the crazy new flavors of Fanta that are hitting our shorts. They have like coffee coke flavor now. We should be pissed.

The fact that like other countries have better like junk food that have you ever had South American Mexican Doritos? No. They are better. But I believe that. They're straight up better. I believe it. This is true.

You should be able to pay at the freestyle machine. You should be able to one, you should be able to bet on the next game. But two, you'd be able to pay half the price for a random flavor. You might get the one you want. Interesting. Might get the one you want. Interesting. Google, I'm feeling lucky.

Yes, I feel a lucky flavor. They just give you whatever's like the most supply in the machine. They didn't have a Coca-Cola character that's like a DJ that's like a little bit racially insensitive. It's like he's going to remix your flavor. The way like Japanese video games, you're black guys. DJ racist.

You come from a son-off. That always cracks me up. No, it stands for something. Their name is like smooth. Dude, it always cracks me up when you see like the discourse around Like, listen, guys, like, as far as I'm concerned, Japanese developers, just let them do what they want.

Let them do it. They're on an island. It's on a four island. Guys, we dropped a, we dropped a nuke on them. Like, come on. Give him a little bit of grace. Let them have Tupac Shakur in the Biong's a game. There's nothing wrong with that.

There's nothing wrong with that. Oh, did you know, I have a friend of mine who worked on the Tupac hologram when I first came out and she said they found a guy who is like perfect one-to-one Tupac all the tattoos match. And she's just like the one thing is his voice was really high. And it was just like we had to dove him. Wow. Oh, no.

That's maybe the easiest thing to fix. That's easy. But imagine being that guy going around being the two-bop person, it's like, I can't talk. You just can't talk. I just really got to just pose him. It's silent Tupac. He's back. Dude, I love out.

You go to a Lakers game. There's just like Michael Jordan impersonator. It's just a tall black bald guy. Yeah. It's like nothing. It doesn't look anything like him. Yeah. But you're like, he is tall.

He's tall. Give it to it. He is tall. It looks like you're like every bald impersonator every pit bull impersonator. Yeah. It's all just bald guys.

I get called, I've been called every bald guy there is. That's it. It's just, I'm really sorry. Fine. You know?

I have a last question. Okay. And I need to know how you found Brian D. Because I have a theory that you watched the, you watch the end of no country for old men.

We found out that he was the end of, not only at end of no country of old men, and Red Dead one the model for or no one of the Red Dead games he's like the model of the kid what?

You can play as Brian D in I forget which Red Dead but it's like when the I never look yeah I want to tell you something Red Dead not for me not for me too slow

it's just too slow it's the it's the I get by the way by the way I agree with the game design choice to be like open the drawer take the thing lethal I'm like okay I get it

just a pace I appreciate it fan of slow cinema, but for me, eh, not, but whichever Red Dead, you get to play the sun for a little bit, that's him. He's the son. That's Brian D. And he's in open casting. Just open casting. That's crazy.

That's like he said open casket. We were talking earlier. We were talking to, do you remember the step up movies? Yeah. I remember Moose from the step up movies? Yes. Like one of the he also came in. Step up the break dancing movie. He came in for Brian D. Yeah. That's crazy. It was open casting. We're just like, we're just like, let's go for

see who's out there and he had good chemistry era movies. Step up. Step up was good. I think that's how stick it the same year. The gymnastics movie

like the No, I've never heard of this. Never heard of this movie? This is easily the most dance movies we talked about in one episode of one. This movie is like it's like the lesbian awakening

of like women everywhere. Dance movies are like some of my favorite movies because they show a world where dance is a much bigger deal than it is in our world. So it is a little bit like this heightened reality thing and my favorite was I think step up

or five, they're in LA, the whole troop from the previous movies there, and they had just gotten the gig, and they're like, they're like, doing open auditions. And they're like, we blew through all the money we got for that deal. And it's like, we got paid $10,000. I was like, guys, there's 12 of you. And you guys got paid $10,000. And you've been in Langell, what are you talking about?

One more question. They got damn Jeff Bridges. Jeff Bridges in there. Does Jeff Bridges stick it? Is that the girl from fucking waiting? You know, the, the, I never started waiting. Oh, I think you suffered it. Vanessa Langu. Do you wait. Lengis. Doesn't matter.

Top three video games. unordered. Top three video games. Oh, Godhand for the PS2. Godhand. You know Godhand with PS2? Don't worry.

Your comments will let you know. Don't worry about it, bro. Don't worry about it. I have to give it to one of my, the first, first person show I really was serious. I was just Quake 2, specifically Quake 2 CTF.

And number three video game, you know, Cadamari Damashi original. No guitar hero. Wow. No guitar hero. Listen, listen.

When you're at the top, everything, it doesn't matter anymore. There's no love no more. No love anymore. Emotion doesn't even factor into it anymore. I look at guitar here. I'm like, ah, a rhythm game.

I remember conquering that. Like, who's a little guy? He rolls it up. He picks it up. Sticks him. There's a great soundtrack. It's a great soundtrack. Did you play Call it 4?

Calddy 4. Do you know it's a quake mod? Did you play Gallaudy before this guy? I was telling you about that you know this? Yeah, the original ones were they were all, they're all quake. And all the source code, you can find like leftover quake code in there. Well, Brady Wong, that is our time. Is there any final shout-outs, any things you want to leave people with?

No. No. No. We're doing stuff. But I let the work we either will show up or a wall. If it's good, if it's good, you'll find it. Yeah. True.

just like you found this really good podcast. Or you'll find it in an embed one by one. Or my MySpace page. We're going to open up the MySpace meta once again. That's right. We're messaging Dane Cook and he's responding for some reason. Anyway, guys, that's the Yard podcast. We'll see you minus Freddie in the bonus episode right after this.

And I hope you have a wonderful, weird day. This is Freddie Wong, not Eddie Hong. Not Eddie Hong. Next week, though. Next week, though. Next week, yeah. We'll see you next week.