The Yeehaw Gaming Podcast - Episode 103 | The Yeehaw Gaming Podcast

Episode Date: October 11, 2025

The boys consider a DJPC's dream to own phrenologist bookstore, Battlefield 6, and grapple with ghoul reality. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Sorry, you don't make changes. You, I put it in one place, and then I adjust to you. You don't adjust to me. You just want me to sit here and be pretty for you. Is that what you want? I want you to talk to talk. That's what you fucking microphone without. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:00:14 Welcome to Yeehaw Gaming. You see Obama, he's, he's not playing with his mic at all. I put it in one fucking place, and he's not moving at one inch. He hasn't moved, right? He knows how to follow directions, and that's why I'm going to pay him a million dollars to give hour-long speeches for a decade on Wall Street I don't know if you're going to be able to do that man he hasn't moved one inch since last recording
Starting point is 00:00:35 so I don't know he's molting it's sort of a he won't be talking a lot he's molting um I just watch he's an Anunnaki descended from the Anunaki I don't know what the fuck is that The Anunaki are the aliens that live on planet X there's something like that I want to talk about AI
Starting point is 00:00:52 It really What's up I don't even know where to fucking go with it. Everyone forgot Terminator. That's what I'm going to talk about real quick. Am I been adjusting the wrong fuck? I've been adjusting the wrong mic the whole time. That's the fucking problem.
Starting point is 00:01:08 I was like, why does he keep peeking? Yeah, that's what I'm sorry. I'm talking about. Okay, hold on. If you're going to, what the fuck? AI words loud. AI words loud.
Starting point is 00:01:23 Well, no, here's the thing. It's like, I don't want to, this is why I like, I don't want to do the politics thing on here is because I don't know shit about politics. I really, I think, you know, the only thing, I just need one good professor to get into a subject. I almost got into politics because in community college, when I still wasn't sure what I wanted to do, I would, I had a government professor who dressed like Colonel Sanders and he said, and he talked like Colonel Sanders, and he said the problem with Afghanistan is we didn't marry their women and stay, which, I mean, I guess. Real ivory kind of look to him, you could say. Yeah, he looked like he owned furniture. He looked and sounded like he owned furniture made out of human bones.
Starting point is 00:02:05 Did I ever tell you about, I think it was Lieutenant Bork? He was in the Apache Wars. He was gifted at one point by one of his soldiers a scalp and Bork just like, oh, this is nice. It really ties together the tent, and I'm going to, like, put my lamp on it. And then another guy, like, fresh, like, he just slowly became desensitized. And he wasn't even thinking about it, like, it was weird. And then, like, another guy from the East came in, and, you know, a new guy. And he was like, that's sort of incredibly fucked up.
Starting point is 00:02:36 Why do you have this? And he's like, oh. And it's funny because you put in his, I'll say what page from the Apache Wars this is in. This is from page 122 of the Apache Wars by Paul Andrew Hutton. I'll cross it in a few books, but I read about it recently in the Apache Wars. And it's just so funny to me, like, the way he's like, and I had realized that the West had changed me. And it's like, you didn't have a single moment? No, it was not a single time when you were like, you know,
Starting point is 00:03:03 this scalp really does, like, not scuff my table when I put my lamp on it. I really like how it does that. And just ties the whole room together yet. There was no point between that in the beginning you decided that something wrong might have happened. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry that you're trying to talk. He's trying to fucking talk. And I'm just, like, looking at lights and clapping.
Starting point is 00:03:23 Like a fucking lunatic. I'm sorry. Please continue. We were talking about, I believe it was Lieutenant. Bork, it might have been a captain. Well, yeah, there has to be a moment between there, between, like, interior decorating with human remains, and, hey, I just got here. There's a moment there.
Starting point is 00:03:40 What was it for him? Man, and it was literally just the guy saying, this is a little fucked up, and he was like, oh, I guess it is. I guess I sort of changed while I was out here. Yeah, no. That was he told the story to illustrate, like, how being out there changed you. Honestly, the more I read, it's like, yeah, because, like, Geronimo described being a kid and, like, playing at war and, uh, well, first I want to say, as far as, like, man, we loved
Starting point is 00:04:03 collecting Indian bones and just, like, displaying them, there was a, I mean, the Apache in particular, they didn't like scalp hunting, and they, they would have burned the scalps after they had a thing about touching the dead. So, they would, like, burn the scalps and do a scalp dance. It was this whole thing. But, uh, sorry, that wasn't what I wanted to talk about. The, uh, I believe it was a crow chief or a black hawk chief? uh this fucking like western mayor this is in bury my heart it wounded but yeah you just kept the skeleton just like in his fucking office but like literally just a skeleton out there i'd like think of it as a glass cabinet well you should read the description of mangus coloradus's fucking body like some guy
Starting point is 00:04:46 looked at him after they tortured him and shot him and scalped him and cut off his head and boiled his head and he looked at all his bones and he was like what an incredible physical specimen and he talked about him the way that, like, you'd talk about a zoo animal. No, he's like a relic. Like, he's like the golden, like this is like having the toe of Jesus Christ and Catholicism, but for phrenologists. That's what this is like. Having the
Starting point is 00:05:07 School of May's Colorado is. You know, it's funny. A big Roman thing that they talked about with us is when I say us, I mean, like Northern Europeans, like Celtic people, Germanic peoples. Yeah, you and I. We're the same. Yeah. Yeah. I just fucking... We're good,
Starting point is 00:05:23 you know. We belong to the area. master race. No, they fucking, but anyway, the Romans were like their headhunters, which, you know, is obviously pretty about as barbaric as you could get, right? Yeah. And like, we never, well, I guess we stopped now. But it took us to like, what, 1920
Starting point is 00:05:39 to stop actually. We just started doing math on the fucking skulls. We still collected them as war trophies. Like, that's what's disturbing about the phrenology thing for me. You're still just doing the most barbarian thing imaginable, like a cartoon barbarian thing, collecting the heads of your conquered foes.
Starting point is 00:05:55 your vanquished foes. I've been getting like a lot of history stuff coming on my home page recently and there was like a video gallery thing of photographs but it was for like an Italian pow camp and it was just making me thinking of like the difference of an Italian pow camp in like the 40s versus I don't know
Starting point is 00:06:16 150 years prior like let's say what are some other pals what are some countries who went to war with around the 10th century? You gotta be the only person that calls POWs POWs. It's a lot easier. I don't know. I watched Rambo too much when I was younger. Did they say POW in the movie? I think so. I can't remember now. I don't know. I just, in
Starting point is 00:06:33 the military, you just always saw a table with lemon and salt on it. Every defect. It's some fucking simple as not. I don't know. There's always a little thing that says the salt is for the tears cried. I always interpreted it as like, I don't know. I'm just salty. I'm confused.
Starting point is 00:06:49 I don't fucking know. No, they take lemon and salt everywhere to There's lemon and there's salt and there's like a place setting for the POWs. Sort of like the burial. The same idea is like the tomb of the unknown soldier. So like the POWs that never came home, get to eat or whatever the fuck. Yeah. That's incredibly brutal. I didn't know that.
Starting point is 00:07:10 It's kind of hard as fuck. I don't know. It was just this thing I walked by to get hamburgers. I didn't know what American fucking sense. Well, I went to get my hamburger rations from the government. God shit dude I forgot to say
Starting point is 00:07:28 I was watching they live and I can't remember the name of the actor from it was this rowdy Roddy Piper okay I figured that out
Starting point is 00:07:37 later on yeah Roddy Piper I didn't I don't watch or never watched wrestling growing up what is it
Starting point is 00:07:45 we had sparkly water in the fridge so we just didn't really watch wrestling and I finally had both of those things I loved wrestling. I once got grounded,
Starting point is 00:07:53 I got told I couldn't watch wrestling anymore, which I believe fed into my dad's theory that I was gay, but... How did you know that? Well, that's why he got me the Playboy subscription when I was 12.
Starting point is 00:08:04 But the... Where was I? I think... I cannot imagine why else he did that. I mean, there's an alternate reality where you're a successful gay mechanic, you know, who's really into wrestling.
Starting point is 00:08:15 There's an alternate timeline for you. There's no world where I'm competent. I'm an incompetent mechanic, maybe. but the but what about wrestling i'm sorry oh yeah but uh roddy piper right um i watched they live great movie uh talk about it later on but um i was watching the special features and it's just uh john carpenter talking about why he was deciding to go with roddy piper as the main character and everything and he talks about like yeah i just wanted an actor who seemed like a regular guy because the main character is like homeless and we're trying to like capture that post financial
Starting point is 00:08:50 crisis or whatever and um and at one point right after it just snap cuts to roddy piper saying like yeah man i've been like stabbed shot burned electrocuted and then just goes off into something else completely different subject matter it just it seemed like someone just asked roddy piper there on the set of this movie it's like hey you ever been shot stabbed electrocuted burned you know hit with a laser and shit like that and it's actually what he said in return so i i don't know Like, who the fuck is this guy? I don't understand wrestling at all. No, I don't know anything about them.
Starting point is 00:09:21 I just know, I don't know, it's pop culture osmosis. I've never seen they live. I just know that Rowdy, Roddy Piper was the fucking, the main character, and that he said the Duke Nukem line. I'm here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I'm all out of gum. Duke Nukem is genuinely, it has the potential to be the funniest character in fiction, and I think it's just that voice. I've been thinking about AI a lot.
Starting point is 00:09:43 I don't know why you like this so much. Okay, that was useless. they both just killing fires. I've been thinking about AI a lot and the the one AI video I did and
Starting point is 00:09:58 where I was I basically I thought of the joke so it's not like I asked chat GPT to think of something funny because what I because chat GPT wouldn't have thought of this especially at the time it was George W. Bush
Starting point is 00:10:12 and Duke Nukem planning to destroy the world trade centers it was something like that or they're flirting I can't remember the deal but the funniest part of the video despite the fact that I essentially came up with the joke and it was sort of funny in a shitposty way
Starting point is 00:10:27 to see just dolly nightmare Duke Nukem and George Bush flirting with each other but Duke Nukem when I copied and pasted that I accidentally pasted in like the part of the script where it just says Duke Nukem line
Starting point is 00:10:40 so then Duke Nukem says his own name like a Pokemone Duke Nukem Duke Nukem and I'll throw it in here I did like that. And it's still the funniest... That's my favorite part. It's the funniest joke of my entire channel
Starting point is 00:10:50 is just Duke Nucum saying his own name like a Pokemon. It's so goddamn funny. Every fucking frame had that like signature 90s art where everything looked like a mega death album cover. Like everything looked like that. The art looked like shit. I'm still... The amount of regret I feel over using AI art
Starting point is 00:11:06 my fucking follow the Aztec shit. I really cannot describe. Particularly because so much like feather paintings are so fucking cool. Mesoamerican murals are cool. Like, that's one of the, like, there's an entire generation that partially, when you get into the Mesoamerican, it's like a niche historical interest, but they're absolutely these online communities, very enamored with all this Mesoamerican stuff. And universally, it's because of just how incredible and unique their art is. And also, they watched Road to Eldorado and that one chick, which I couldn't believe how fucking sexual she was.
Starting point is 00:11:43 I sound like a pervert now it's fucking ridiculous I watched that as an adult and I knew it was like a meme how hot she was it's like holy shit you're showing this to kids like literally I felt like I was watching something on Pornhub that was like it was going to hard cut at any moment you're getting nailed by these two guys
Starting point is 00:12:02 it was ridiculous hey hey listen to me as a marketer okay you got to get at least you can get three seats in the movie theaters even to kids is that what you're about to say no no no no well yeah But no. Parents buy the tickets, I guess. No, you need to get, you can get mom to get in a theater, but can you get dad in the theater?
Starting point is 00:12:20 That's what I think, you know. Like, it's like 1995. People still know what a movie theater is. And you got to get dad in there somehow. I just realized, what are movie trailers like back then? Was there even a movie trailer for it? Yes, they've had movie trailers forever. Yeah, no, but they're like dog shit.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Yeah, well, they didn't realize back then that you had to do the slowed down version of a Nirvana song sung by a woman with a lot. of reverb but uh that's how I feel too but you know I'm genuinely watching that new V-O-2 shit what open AI it's their new video-making thing so it's so on one hand I'll think about AI and I'll be like are they genuinely going to create we're such a lonely species aren't we we've always wanted we always imagine talking animals and all our stories we imagine
Starting point is 00:13:12 What's up, gamers? So I'm going to talk about Carl Jung, who's a German psychologist. I'm essentially alluding to, like, the universal unconscious. This is something that I'm going to read a lot about and make a video about later. I'm essentially talking about the... Fuck. This is a conversation between me and my friend. Take it for what it's worth, and I'm going to call it Jungian the whole fucking time.
Starting point is 00:13:39 I'm just going to say it wrong the whole time, all right? I don't make videos with this level of unpreparedness But it's really the sheer self Here's the fucking podcast, I'm so sorry I'm about to get Jungian as fuck Hungian, I don't even know how you say his fucking name He's German, so I guess it's Junian AI has lived in our brains forever
Starting point is 00:13:59 No, because we're a lonely species And we yearn for something to talk to that isn't human We've always imagined talking animals And machines that can talk and a giant sky daddy that'll talk to us, all manner of things. I'm not doing a Redditor. I'm referring to the Indo-European Skyfather. It's the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:14:23 Look up Skyfather, Indo-European. He'll read something neat about it. Non-human things that can talk to humans, and we've never had them, except for these fucking parrots. Don't rub your foot against my... She's rubbing your head against my cables. But, uh, you know, It's, it's, half of me is my experience, right?
Starting point is 00:14:46 Just the genuine experience of my life, which has taught me that, with very few exceptions, to hate and distrust all humans, that we are exclusively a problem, that we just fucking eat like crazy, and that's really it. Yeah. And then there's the, you know, the nice books, the dinosaur painting by Mark Hallett. It's called Crossing the Flats. there's Kurt Vonnegut and James Baldwin and all these nice artists and writers
Starting point is 00:15:14 and nice people, you're a nice guy, fucking let me live in your place. I'm sorry, making it sound like, it's just getting raped and reading books, well, that's it. I was born. Jesus fucking Christ, but,
Starting point is 00:15:26 but, no, it's, Elon Musk fucking tweeted once humans are the biological bootloader, right? And what a disgusting notion. But,
Starting point is 00:15:36 uh, I don't know, man, it seems like AI's, lived in our dreams forever. He's an autistic. We're so lonely. We're trying to make, yeah, no, what I'm saying is smarter than anything I've ever heard
Starting point is 00:15:44 that dumb son of a bitch ever say. Yeah, to clarify. But genuinely, it's, we're yearning, woof, for something to talk to because we're so lonely. This price we pay to be, nothing else has to pay it. The birds don't have to pay it. That's what I, that's where I think I both agree and disagree. It's not just a yearning to talk to something. It's a yearning for something to understand us in the way we want to be understanded,
Starting point is 00:16:05 which is, I think, why it's one of those things you're never really going to. not get it right like I don't really think that um we'll become dissuaded with AI or machines just as we have with like God or other people or whatever like maybe there's a perfect AI that can perfectly reflect what you want in that moment forever for all times and the ever evolving whatever you are it'll like find a way to like perfectly match that I don't think we're going to make it no I'm saying we're going to make the the thing that kills us out of sheer loneliness I don't think in the same way that once again I'm just like drawing from experience like the going to people for the human connection that I've
Starting point is 00:16:42 largely been denied or which has largely been like perverted or subverted uh in my life like I'm saying it'll be the same shit again right like oh a nice thing or a night obviously in my past it's a nice person that will be nice to me uh and then they I don't know kill us all for whatever reason I well it's always like once again it's I'm not going to kill us all I hate talking about I hate talking about the AGI possibilities because fundamentally I don't know anything about it and I shouldn't be talking about something that I haven't read at least 20 fucking books on. But also, I look at the reality of what is being made and announced and universally, it's we made Slop Talk. Have you seen the Slop Talk?
Starting point is 00:17:24 I said you one. No, well, that was funny. So OpenAI announced and that was probably made in that. It was V-O-3 or V-O-2. No, I'm sorry. I think I'm confusing the two. Google released a new video making one, OpenAI released a new video making one. But what's interesting about like the invite only, whatever OpenAI one,
Starting point is 00:17:44 is that it's a social network. So you can scroll all of these non-human generated short form vertical videos. So slop top. Yeah, in the most optimized way. And yet they're always talking about creating AGI and it curing cancer and this and that. But of course, universally what they show is here's something that humans do for fun and for free. and we made something that burned down an entire rainforest and it'll do it worse.
Starting point is 00:18:10 So what's the fucking point? I get that it's probably nice that you can replace all those fucking coders that went to coding. I was going to go to a coding boot camp. That was originally my plan. Do you remember that? Dude, that is so funny. Oh, God, man.
Starting point is 00:18:20 I'd be, hey, you want to talk about H-TL guys? I'd be sucking dick in the tender long time out now. Guys, web three, oh my God, you would have been an E-Long guy. No, I would have been fucking cooked. I would have been churned out by Silicon Valley and homeless probably right now. Yeah, but if you bet on crypto early on, you'd have to be an Elon guy in order to bump up your crypto holdings. That has nothing to do with crypto. Do you know what I'm talking about? The coding?
Starting point is 00:18:42 Oh, I guess maybe I would have been suckered into it. Yeah, you would have bought like, I don't know, like Logan Paul Animal Coins or some fucking shit. I don't know. I basically played that game, but with, you see, what I like about the actual stock market, it's not that it's not a scam because it all is a scam. Like, AI is now part of the scam. But the, uh, the government will stop you. from from being too stupid with it like you obviously you can just buy stupid calls or whatever but the if you're just trading directly like i traded i played hot potato with bedbath and beyond stock and i made like two thousand dollars in one fucking day doing that yeah it was fucking nice but it's like you know that's also the crypto shit i that's also why i generally don't feel bad whenever i see someone like i bought shit coin did i mention this in my video i bought poop coin and i lost all my money like yeah you were trying to you were trying to you were trying to get someone else to hold the bag. You didn't think, you didn't believe in the fundamental goodness and quality and utility of poop coin that wasn't going to happen.
Starting point is 00:19:43 Here's my thing about it. Any form of like, I don't know, like dumping and all that and like crypto, dude, just quit being off such a fucking pussy. Like Las Vegas is just around the corner for anybody. You know, a plane ticket is so cheap. You can ruin your life the old-fashioned way. You don't have to do it a new way. You don't need Fandul.
Starting point is 00:20:03 What's the only starts with a P? Paris something. ESPN has one now. I was at the gym and ESPN, a Disney-owned company has a gambling app. Yeah, they did. Hey, I want, this is the thing. I pray for the AI.
Starting point is 00:20:16 Not because I think it'll actually be the thing that we can speak to that will make us collectively as a species feel less lonely. It's because I don't fucking like us. Because I think we're dirty little creatures. And I'm sick of it. This World War Building, no one believes in anything anymore. Like you say what you will about the founding fathers,
Starting point is 00:20:30 they had ideals that they did not live up to. but it's better to have ideals and not perfectly live up to them than it is just be the cynical fucking gremlin whatever the fuck we've become not gremlins the world of gremlins that's what we fucking are people can tell I'm working I just know hold on I want to tell them I've made a lot of progress
Starting point is 00:20:51 and I might be I'm too cynical because I've just been burying my mind and eyes in these fucking people scalping each other in the desert and I'm like what is the point of any of this for Walmart I talked to you about the Ojo Caliente And I'm going to talk about this in the part two The fucking all this endless fighting
Starting point is 00:21:10 I had a breakthrough in the script for part two of this Because I'm writing as I'm editing part one And it's Victoria in the Cheenae Apache There was this reservation they really It was one of those things where it's like This is where it's not where we've always lived It's a small part of where we've always lived But this land in particular is very important to us
Starting point is 00:21:28 People use the word sacred I don't think there's anything sacred about the relationship to it It was nice, nice land, and that was where they wanted to live. And, you know, naturally the government's like, that is nice, nice land. And literally the Indian agent, it's perfectly level. According to Apache Wars by Paul Andrew Hutton, it was, there was speculation, the agent at the San Carlos Reservation and the commissioner of the Bureau of Indian Affairs were both invested in, like, speculative mining stuff going on there. And what is there now? It just, I read about this endless, like, the government shows up and they say, hey, you know this treaty we signed where we said you can live at the Ojo Caliente?
Starting point is 00:22:08 You can't live at the Ojo Caliente. Now you're going to go to San Carlos and live with all of your enemies where you're going to get malaria and dysentery diseases, which you've never had to fucking deal with before. Yeah. So then naturally, Victoria breaks out. He literally just goes back to the Ojo Caliente. Or no, he doesn't. He does raids. And then the military finally gets them.
Starting point is 00:22:23 They surround them. And the military is so tired by like 1877, I think this was. they're so fucking sick of fighting pissed off Apache and they're like okay you can live at the Ojo Caliente we see no reason why you shouldn't be able to live at the Ojo Caliente clearly that's preferable to you running around
Starting point is 00:22:38 and doing all these killings and shit and like you were there peacefully for so long like I don't know why the shit's got stirred like this and then months pass they're living there and then the Bureau of Indian Affairs is like no you're coming back to San Carlos so Victoria was like okay
Starting point is 00:22:54 so then he goes rogue and once again goes on the war path against America and it's a massive fucking nightmare. But he knows it's unwinnable at this point. He knows it's unwinnable. And they're like, and he hears word, you can surrender at the Mescalero Reservation in New Mexico. So he's like, okay, we're going to go surrender there.
Starting point is 00:23:10 They go surrender there. He walked, and like, so part of the deal was you don't get all the land that used to hunt and raid on, frankly. So, you know, naturally, there have to be rations because you can't sustain your population with just the small amount of land we've given you. He goes up to the ration window,
Starting point is 00:23:27 and the agent there is like you need to apply for a card and he's like all my people have to apply for a card he's like yeah it's like okay how long does it take to get a card about a month and Victoria says I'm quoting directly from I'll add it in later not to stop the flow of the conversation
Starting point is 00:23:43 this is on page 176 once they moved like the wind by David Roberts but the line was directly a month is a long time to go without food like what the fuck are you saying to me and I and I had the breakthrough in the script when I realized We put them in the desert DMV.
Starting point is 00:23:59 Like, it's fun to... It's not just an unwinnable situation from a military perspective. It's a nightmare confusing bureaucracy that I'm a fucking white man born in 1997. I couldn't navigate this cluster. You've got to realize something. What wheel do you even...
Starting point is 00:24:13 No, so we went on the war path again. And Victoria's war was a monstrous one. Just endless conflict. And all be... Oh, by the way, he ended up dragging that Indian agent at the ration window, like around. the fucking the building where they gave out the rations
Starting point is 00:24:31 he literally he seemed to have had a thing about pulling white man's beards which I I think that makes sense right because he didn't have a beard and obviously Indians in general didn't really have beards so I think he found it funny
Starting point is 00:24:43 he also pulled on the beard of this judge it's a whole other thing but he pulled him around the room kicking him and I don't mean kicking him like kicking his ass like literally kicking him and pulling him and just that's it
Starting point is 00:24:56 And that was the day that he was like, okay, warpath forever. And then he died on the war path. Yeah. So you introduce a violent... And now there's a resort there. All that happened so we could have a resort. And I look at all of human history, wolf. And it was all...
Starting point is 00:25:11 I'm sorry, I'm talking over you more than usual. It's so funny to me because, like, it's just the idea... For AI, for slop talk. You're introducing a violent native population to the ideals of Kafka. And I think that's really funny. That this is what happens. I just think that's cool That's interesting
Starting point is 00:25:32 The best onion video Anyone watching this fucking garbage What is this? Obama hasn't said a word Like it's just We pay him a million dollars an hour To be here
Starting point is 00:25:41 Really it was just for that Break he cut me And you know I was getting investigated For some things And I sort of ruined The United States economy too And I said
Starting point is 00:25:51 Can I have a billion dollars ruining the economy And he said Okay But you got to give me A million dollars a day to be on your shitty podcast. And I was like, all right.
Starting point is 00:26:00 But what was the onion video? It was the Czech Republic's new Kafka International Airport. Oh, yeah. Has low customer reviews. Oh, yeah. It's amazing. He's describing it. It's like, there's hallways that go everywhere forever and nowhere.
Starting point is 00:26:15 Gate 3A is at Terminal B. It's just, that's like the least funny joke in there. You know, fuck you. It's funny. He just has this Prussian uniform motherfucker. Also rated Franz Kafka International among the worst airports in terms of customer service, calling the employees, quote, completely indifferent to travelers' needs. If there is a problem, fill out complaint, form, and place it in an envelope addressed to the name of the hospital in which you were born. The fans of this show don't realize it, but it's nice to go over to a YouTuber's house because he always has energy drinks.
Starting point is 00:26:49 He never doesn't have energy drinks, and that's what I love about it here. it's like a 7-Eleven but there's books everywhere all across the ground my goodness you know honestly I was thinking about that recently like a mad librarian thing going on you know you know it's disturbed me even since getting sober and obviously in the depths of my non-sobriety I like that like I couldn't imagine a future where I was happy and it's easy to like create a fictional person in your head and it'll be like with this person but obviously that's not a path to happiness that's absurd Because they're going to be, like, messy. They're going to have farts and they're going to smell.
Starting point is 00:27:26 And I just can't. I can't abide that. So, but I thought a bookstore. And then it's like, okay, so just a business that makes no money. So I'll just make a business that makes no money. But genuinely, that is, I think, the only path to happiness is I could own a bookstore. But that would require money that I'll never have. Why a bookstore?
Starting point is 00:27:45 Because I like books and they would let me just, no one's going to come and steal them so I don't have to watch. I don't have to be like, hey, what are you fucking kids doing? I don't have to keep an eye on everyone of another color Because they're never going to come in I'm kidding You need to own a racist bookstore A racist bookstore exactly with a skeleton of a black hawk chief A phrenologist dream
Starting point is 00:28:07 In the corner But honestly yeah just a fucking bookstore near the ocean I don't know But it's like that's fucking absurd That's never going to happen I mean like I can tell you how to be that successful I'm going to continue to make videos as I go to school
Starting point is 00:28:22 to obtain a degree in history, something that AI, I used to tell myself it'll never be able to do because it can't bleed. Like, you can give it text and it'll parse it, but it can only find the important stuff
Starting point is 00:28:35 that you tell it is important. It doesn't understand how important it is to me and frankly everyone, as far as I'm concerned, that Geronimo rode a Ferris wheel. You know what I mean? You can feed it Geronimo's,
Starting point is 00:28:46 like autobiography, and it will give you a timeline, I'm sure, but it won't tell you stuff like that because I know what a ferris wheel is and I know how fun they are and I have a I associate them with all these things
Starting point is 00:28:55 and I don't know well it's just it's interesting to me because like I feel like a lot of it also depends on use case especially with like history and whatnot like what if you say tell me about the Apache what sort of bland boring bullshit
Starting point is 00:29:09 are you going to learn from that now what if you type and give me an expansive like understanding of the Apache like I want to learn more about it and more about it you would have to keep asking questions over and over and over like regular research, but now it's through like just GPT or co-pilot instead of just going through your library or books.
Starting point is 00:29:31 The only difference is that this one is worse. So it's just like, I don't believe it's a good research tool. I don't believe it. I think it's great to get ideas. Like it helps me slam through an introduction, like whenever I just need to like get some ideas down, you know. But in terms of like creating like a thesis, a cohesive, meaningful thesis I think it struggles
Starting point is 00:29:52 you know well you're out of curiosity I mean obviously wouldn't write a video like here actually let's ask do you know DJ Peach Godler I remember fucking with clever Bob
Starting point is 00:30:05 when I was a kid I always get that feeling doing this known for his deep his tone is conversational but polished a mix of humor sincerity and occasional deadpan absurdity I'm around the late
Starting point is 00:30:15 20 tons YouTube analysis meets late night musings he often plays with irony, exaggeration, and main character's self-awareness. Oh, you're like Jimmy Kimmel. You're like Jimmy Kimmel. That's what it's saying. Hell yeah, man. That is not what...
Starting point is 00:30:25 You're so funny, man. No one would describe Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah, yeah, you're so funny, man. This isn't the worst. He's also known for his sharp editing, over-dramatic stunt. Would you like me to go? What is his online trajectory?
Starting point is 00:30:39 Online, we already know the trajectory is down as fuck. Because they added a bunch of AI to their algorithm or whatever the fuck happened. I don't know. Are the views are just down, but honestly, I attribute that to the, um, just being demonetized. And Trump's fourth term, dude, you're going to, your views are going to go up. Trust me. It's going to work. Video about the Apache, you're telling me the end of Trump's term?
Starting point is 00:31:01 His fourth term. Yeah, your views are going to go up. Trust me. You know, it's all about timing and applicability. I'm very based, and I really just think that'll work out in my favor. Write a video about the Apache Wars in the style of DJ Peach Cobbler. If it doesn't start with what's up gamers, what the fuck are we here for? cold open distorted old film reel of cavalry riding through desert low-fi beat under plays you do love your lo-fi so hold on it's kind of funny okay oh wait so the united states land of the free home of the people who really really wanted more land
Starting point is 00:31:37 between 1849 and that's not the worst between 1840 and it's just like it's one of the jokes that i cut it's tonally correct if that makes sense like that's the kind of thing that I put in the draft one. Oh, I put this way too close to my head. Between 1849 and 1886, the U.S. government found itself in a perpetual fist fight with a people who did not care how many flags you planted, the Apache.
Starting point is 00:31:59 And spoiler alert. Yeah, that's the exact kind of fucking line that would not live. Spoiler alert, folks. It went about as well as you'd expect when once... It's just sarcasm without a point. It went about as well as you'd expect one side fights for survival and the other fights for real estate.
Starting point is 00:32:17 Shit, that's not the worst line. It has gotten better. I remember when I once asked it to write a DJ Peach Cobra video and it literally the first line was, hello gamers. Or what's up gamers. Yeah, it should have. Which honestly, something that I've sort of been on recently, I can't stop saying what's up gamers. You need to keep
Starting point is 00:32:31 going, bro. It's signature, man. It's like a, what's the word? It's like an ad web. It's actually my land acknowledgement that I always do in my videos. For the indigenous gamers. For the indigenous gamers. Hell yeah, man. You should start a indigenous gaming league. God, when
Starting point is 00:32:47 Are you going to, I'm not going to put that there. When are you going to get into competitive games with me, man? Competitive. Well, I guess I'm going to tell you I'm too busy. Try to bully me. The new battlefield. I'd like to play some. Oh, I would love it.
Starting point is 00:33:01 I cannot afford it right now, but I fucking would love to play that game. I've been watching people play it all fucking day. It looks amazing. It looks like four, but better. It's out? I'm just going to keep jerking it off if I keep talking about it. Yeah, it should be out right now. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:33:16 I didn't even realize shit. Yeah, dude. It looks amazing. They really brought that destructability. I've seen how they're doing the reward system, and I like it. Yeah, there's still bots, you know, which was controversial. But, like, I don't think we're ever going to get away from bots as long as there's player lobbies higher than 64, B-64.
Starting point is 00:33:38 I'm... Or no, I'll hire that higher than 32 versus 32. We're just going to have bots in there until people fill out the actual lobbies, you know? like that's do you know how those lobbies work i like when they're bots in there so i can get a kill yeah you know like i understand why some people like it was meant to be a joke you took you too serious no serious i mean i get it you know like i like five or ten mixed in you know because realistically it's kind of weird to get that many players in one server because like if there's
Starting point is 00:34:04 so many players it runs slower so like when there are bots it runs a little smoother but then there's 10 people there's 10 people like five people playing against each other and a hundred fucking bots and it's a goddamn nightmare and 2042 is again controversial but like it was it was like the it was a placeholder for me more than anything you know like waiting for six
Starting point is 00:34:28 that's what 2042 was for me like it was like my methadone for Battlefield 1 but it just it wasn't there it just didn't hit right I honestly have been playing no fucking video games I played Doom Eternal for the first time in a minute
Starting point is 00:34:44 never played it it's fun but it's also like I for me it's so tied to mouse and keyboard I don't think I'd like playing it on a on a controller like the quick switching and all that stuff I don't know
Starting point is 00:35:00 you know my feeling so I'm not going to be like well I recommend it it's fun but yeah I've just been so fucking busy with this Apache stuff oh I got a story from Big Bend I so number one it's like it's half the day to drive out there and I only got weekends now but I was like I'm getting it done the footage turned out I think beautiful and it's definitely
Starting point is 00:35:26 necessary I'm going to show you some I'm glad that I went out there because fundamentally it's such a long story and I don't have I can't like I can't do the pie face things because it's It's too serious. I think I say in the video there are too many dead babies. God damn it is dry as shit looking out there. Yeah, you can see... You see me there, right? And then you see me at the end of the day.
Starting point is 00:35:55 It's wild. I look like I lost 10 pounds. My lips are all fucking chapped. And I kept drinking water and stuff, but it's just... Yeah, no, it is dry. But, yeah, I'm very happy with the way the footage turned out. But there was a price, you know. So I got out there.
Starting point is 00:36:11 I drove, like, you know, literally class goes out Friday, hop in the car, drive there, get stopped by border security constantly, and they're like, oh, I, you're white, and then they just, on top of the car, and I'm like, hell yeah, and we like high five. And I just keep going, and I finally got there, I, uh, so it was like 9 p.m. And I was definitely the last guy at the campside, because who the fuck's rolling up to Big Bend at 9 p.m. And this guy had horses. And you know how, you know, obviously, I don't know if, like, people in other states will know this.
Starting point is 00:36:43 You can you can take horses on trails in national parks and stuff. And obviously in Texas a lot of people dress up like fucking cowboys. They'll fucking yehaw their way across the trail. And it was pretty cool watching them do that, honestly. But I guess they were just letting their horses graze
Starting point is 00:36:59 at the campsite. And there was, I sound like such a cairn. I guess you're just allowed to do that. I called the authorities. When I saw the majestic horses calmly grazing right next to my tent, I was like, this is unfucking acceptable. I have a fun fact about horses later on if you'd like to hear it.
Starting point is 00:37:14 I know everything to know there is. Actually, frankly, the point of this story is, I don't know how horses work. I guess if you're just poor, like, you know how horses work. Yeah. I don't know how fucking horses. But like, so like my plan that night was like very easy dinner. Charcoal, I was just going to boil some water and make fucking oatmeal and go to sleep. And so the horses were there.
Starting point is 00:37:36 You're like a peasant. Well, I'm not, I don't know how horses work. The nights were with their, like, glamping, like these incredible. tents. I literally have my Wal-Barr brand tent because I also just don't give a fuck. That took me like five minutes to set up. With your fucking porridge, like a fucking peasant. It was tasty. It was apple cinnamon.
Starting point is 00:37:52 We have canned food. We have canned food now. I just wanted oatmeal. I didn't care. I had a big day and whatever. What I'm getting heckled over the dumb shit? I had a big day and I just wanted my own meat.
Starting point is 00:38:06 How are you still peaking? Oh, God. I don't know, man. Someone said that you can activate grapes. One of the comments was you can activate grapes just by putting a speaker with this podcast going next. I'm guessing they were referring to the, I don't even know what that meant. It had a lot of like, so someone knew what that meant. Are we yeasty? What is that mean? Are we, I thought they meant like how you stump grapes. Yeasty isn't a thing. I just made it up. I'm asking how we create wine, how we turn grapes into wine with our podcast. I didn't get
Starting point is 00:38:38 the joke. What the fuck does that mean? You're peeking the might. That's what. I think that's what it means. You set up the speaker next to it. What the fuck are you talking about? Or we're sour, perhaps. We're bitter. Sour, bitter? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:38:49 What do they like that? Do they want that? I don't know what they want. They're all bots. They're all Russian bots trying to guide our behavior. Whatever flavor they want on their tongue, I'll put it there for them. But I just want to know it's the right one. So I was making oatmeal.
Starting point is 00:39:02 You're making oatmeal. So I was making oatmeal. And it's like, you know how it fucking is. Like you put the lighter fluid and you light the charcoal and then like it. It fucking, it doesn't quite catch. it was windy so I was like okay and then I and the horses were mulling about and it's like I don't know how fucking horses work once again what is it so I know it's just like I it's a giant dog I'm stealing this for Mr. Sunday movies it's a giant dog that I can't read that can kick me to death if I do something it doesn't like so I was just you know being careful so yeah I was giving him a wide berth and there's someone else's whatever $10,000 property I don't want to fuck with their horses but more horses were coming and I don't know why
Starting point is 00:39:45 I think I was attracting them somehow with my whimsical spirit they were simply like I had a dream that night where I literally played with a horse and it was a wonderful dream and I can't remember last time I've dreamed since then
Starting point is 00:39:56 only of work or jumping around in the jungle and dealing with snakes I've been writing about my dreams I'm Jungian in that sense I'm on my Jungark where the fuck was I so the horses
Starting point is 00:40:06 so like you know it's like you know how lighter fluid works and I realized at a certain point this is going to like, at this point I'm surrounded by, I shit you not, five horses. Three had joined the two that were already there. One of them was the most adorable, like, I guess
Starting point is 00:40:21 like, it must have been like the horse equivalent of a teenager. It wasn't a pony, because it was proportioned like a horse. It just long, bambi legs. It was like a golden color. It was the cutest horse I've ever seen. And I was like, these horses are going to kick this other horse or something. I'm going to start a horse riot. But I was like, I want my oatmeal.
Starting point is 00:40:38 So I lit it. and I basically did start a horse riot and they started making aggressive horse noises and I literally was just like covering my head and I was like shit shit like I don't know but the large one that was there originally asserted its dominance
Starting point is 00:40:52 the newcomer horses fucked off and then I continued to try to make my tent to eat my oatmeal and also at one point I was like and then I was like navigating around the horses with my phone flashlight like where the fuck is my tent thing that just blew off and I found a havelina that was also just grazing near the horses
Starting point is 00:41:08 which is a little pig-like thing. So, yeah, that's my horse adventure. And the day after that, I literally, I woke up, I recorded for 10 hours, and then I was like, I can't even relax in here. I tried to read Hemingway, and I read a little bit of to have or have not, and then I was like, I cannot relax. I need to go make sure my footage is okay. So I just dropped in the car, and I fucking.
Starting point is 00:41:33 I understand, but at the same time, did you think you were going to get attacked by horses at one point? No, I didn't think I was going to get attacked. I was like, I'm going to frighten these horses into kicking each other. And these are people's property. And they're going to be like, why are our horses who made our horses ornery because they're cowboys? And it's like, who got these horses a riot? Okay, in my head, they were also cowboys.
Starting point is 00:41:54 Okay. Yeah, they're going to do on that. Like dude ranching it up. You know, they have like pit forks and shotguns and shit. I feel awful because there was one guy. He was walking on a trail there and I'm out there doing my YouTubery shit. And literally the entire day, all I was thinking is like, how much effort I'm putting into this shit and how like
Starting point is 00:42:10 YouTube doesn't give a fuck and the last time I put an effort into something YouTube was like demonetized because they don't fucking care and all I could think of is slop and how the slop machine is just getting bigger and bigger and I'm getting smaller and smaller and how hopeless this all is and then I
Starting point is 00:42:27 asked the camera to subscribe as a man was I watched him in the footage he turned and looked as I asked the camera to subscribe and I was like fuck me I'm just part of it you know what I mean? Like this guy thinks that I'm here but dude you're a blade in the slop trough
Starting point is 00:42:42 you know like grind away yeah it's you want to argue just because you're trying that it's here this is the video we're just gonna no we're just gonna I'm just gonna add a slideshow what's that it just my these wars weren't the set piece battles of the civil war they were ghost wars you never see the Apache until they wanted you to
Starting point is 00:43:00 you see I wrote that better I said you didn't know you were fighting the Apache you just stopped breathing which I think is much better than this slop that does sound cooler I like to think so. Yeah, it's just that for me. Oh, it jumps right to Geronimo. You can't jump to Geronimo.
Starting point is 00:43:13 YouTube is just turning into a form of television, and television is syndicated, which is an easy way of saying it sucks. It sucks so hard because it doesn't have the ability to maintain independent creation as much as it used to. Do you want to hear my theory as to why everyone's watching their views get destroyed, because I've seen it from four different creators now. It's a universal thing.
Starting point is 00:43:32 The views are getting destroyed. The reason is YouTube wants you to lose your attachment to creators, and they want you to be attached I've noticed my algorithm has become less and less These are the regulars you like coming back to Because I'm my regulars I like coming back to And instead of it being like Here's internet comment with Eric
Starting point is 00:43:48 Instead it's like here's this random video essay And sometimes they're really good video essays But it's just like their personality lists Like YouTube I used to think The game is that you craft Not just a persona But a voice that people respond to And that's what you're looking at
Starting point is 00:44:07 for you're not trying to make the algorithm happy you're trying to create something that it to create a character quote unquote that's compelling and interesting that just scratches an itch on the human mind uh i don't know where the fuck i'm going with this i'm just talking about myself like i'm inside the actors inside the YouTuber studio yeah you have your like thick rimmed glasses the round well when i went to julietard for vlogging i learned the real secret to success was um so have a child what does you're doing that child opening eggs. Yeah, but what is your theory? And you put drugs in the eggs.
Starting point is 00:44:42 I don't know where I'm going. I don't know where you're going with this either. Do you remember the egg? No, but what is your theory? I'm confused. Like, so what is your... That YouTube is trying to, if you're, if YouTube isn't like a place you go to watch your favorite creators, but rather there's a place you go to watch content
Starting point is 00:44:57 that comes from anyone. Like instead of you trying to build a channel that's successful on YouTube, you would rather just fire the videos out to the algorithm. And one will pick up. But that one video, whereas in the past, right, like my Far Cry 3 video or like my stalker videos, those would build an audience, right? Now there's no, you're not supposed to, I think it's disincentivizing building audiences.
Starting point is 00:45:21 It's incentivizing just throwing the shit at the wall. And that if you can get good enough at the, they need people to do it still for now. So I feel like, I feel like there's a transition being engineered, but I don't know. You know what I'm trying to say, where it's less of a personality-focused platform and more just, like, when I open Netflix, I'm not looking for the newest thing from the guy that made BoJack Horseman. Raphael Bob Waxburg. Well, it's just my thing about it is that from all the people I've heard talking about all the impacted views on their channels and everything, it's just something that I'm struggling to understand is why the rain seems to differ between them all. Some say it was a matter of days. Some say it was a matter of months.
Starting point is 00:46:11 And I'm a little confused by just, just by that itself. And I know that they edit search. They edit YouTube search itself like hundreds of times a year. But what I'm struggling to understand is why all at once? What was it all at once? Like I said, I think they are trying to prepare for essentially the minimizing of the quote unquote creative voices and more of an emphasis on just the content like youtube won't be a job you have it's a side hustle where you fire these videos out and hope that one of them catches
Starting point is 00:46:49 it'll become the poor for it'll become the uh it's more of a lottery than it already is but whereas in the past it's like oh i can have a little career for a little doing this instead it'll just be this video does well you know but i don't know well i mean it sounds like people who optimize slop content are going to win in this description you're giving. That sounds like that is the career path now. It doesn't incentivize creativity. Well, YouTube
Starting point is 00:47:16 would prefer just I mean, I gotta feel like YouTube would prefer. It is one goal not having creators bitching. But also at the same time, you got to assume that it's such a non-issue creators bitching. Like the fact that
Starting point is 00:47:31 I work so hard on that fucking video about all my childhood trauma and YouTube just nuked it like they don't care and they're not going to do anything like that's it like that's fundamentally they do not care and it doesn't you could say it makes them look bad but they don't they don't care yeah Pepsi if YouTube has all these terms of service and it would really just make me so much happier if they could just make it honest instead of like letting me hope that okay this abides yeah the the ambiguity of it all is intentional it is engineered in that way right because it incentivizes people to create things and stay on this platform where the things they create
Starting point is 00:48:08 keep other people on the platform. Their only goal is to keep people on the platform. And for whatever reason, they've decided that this slop-opt-optimized content seems to be the way to go because it excites advertisers. It gets their pants wet, dude. That's what they fucking want, you know. They're only beholden to advertisers. YouTube pays 50% of ad sense to creators. Yeah. And I think that YouTube would quite like to literally double their profit by or it's not even to where YouTube is a website where you you you know type in make me a funny video about the Apache Wars and it's it does it if it does it well people will do that in the future but I just don't think that's going to happen because I don't know if
Starting point is 00:48:51 you're aware of this or not but like the reason why I don't think any of this AI shit's going to pan out why it's all doomer stuff is because like there is not enough money or patience in the world to let true AGI or whatever the hell it's called come out because there's no way to make fucking money off it right now and there won't be for a long goddamn time and we'll sacrifice so much stuff along the way it would replace every employee that's cool but like we're short-sided it's we're like historically short-sided well the being short-sided is the entire point the money will be yeah the if you're the guy that makes it yeah but if you're the guy that gets to contract it out these
Starting point is 00:49:28 AI agents or whatever the fuck. Yeah, but the money is drying up everywhere. Like, it sounds good or it did sound good whenever we could, like, talk it up. We live in a height-based economy, a height-based global economy. And like, well, it's funny how they're selling. I can absolutely end the
Starting point is 00:49:44 world. You give me a billion dollars, I'll do it. Yeah, well, that's the thing about it. No returns. There's no fucking way to make money off of it right now. Unless you or me in this room, right now, find a way for AI to make money universally, it's just not going to happen, man, unless someone can figure it out, unless some robotics break through or some
Starting point is 00:50:02 war happens or some AI technology thing that we don't know about. It hasn't been invented yet. It comes to exist. Until then, it's just a great way to waste a ton of money, a ton of energy, and make bad things that nobody likes. These are all just wasted. You were way more positive about this stuff when I first moved here. About AI? Yeah, you made it sound like it was, you didn't make it sound like it was going to add up to nothing. Like, that's, once again, to be clear, this is my struggle of like they talk the big game and but then in practice you just see okay we got slop talk like that's it we made tic talk except no one's making videos which is essentially what i'm arguing youtube would prefer but i guess really that is the question it doesn't matter if it's good
Starting point is 00:50:45 or if we want it it's a matter of what will make the most money uh it's a shame i will absolutely never get onto nebula they absolutely uh oh they would not want me are you fucking kidding me the shit that I say. You have the ability to at any point change your career path. You can't if you want. Yeah, I can go start driving for Uber. I don't have a degree. And I'm getting a degree in history.
Starting point is 00:51:09 We're going to see, once again, it's about, like, man, I work, and I work like crazy, but I don't know what the fuck it's supposed to be adding up to. I see, I think, the end of the YouTube thing. I mean, at this point, the constant, really the balls on them, to make this incredibly heartfelt video, regardless whether or not it has quality or was art. Well, that's the thing is that the AI decided it wasn't art. There's an exception for using a footage of, I don't believe it was animal cruelty, or it was animal cruelty, but just, it wasn't like, here's a compilate. I understand why, between the lines of their terms of service, the animal cruelty stuff, they don't want you
Starting point is 00:51:53 to upload compilations of cats getting tortured, but that's not what it was. It said, we've provide exceptions for educational or artistic content and obviously I would believe that what I made qualified is art certainly the reason it was used was for artistic purposes I was trying to illustrate introduce this idea of an animal suffering all the time and not knowing what that suffering was in service to and but the machine it decided that didn't qualify as art and that's what fucking kills me still and I imagine and I you know I I hope it all pans out into nothing.
Starting point is 00:52:30 It's a bubble and it goes bust. And, you know, we simply have a 10-year-long Great Depression. Awesome stuff. Which is like the best case scenario for this shit as far as I'm concerned. We end up with a better, clever bot in a 10 years of economic depression. But, uh, sorry, sorry. Where was I even going with this? But it's just fundamentally, what that's the problem is, once again,
Starting point is 00:52:53 the amount of times that I've tried to say to people, including my own family, members, hey, this is what happened to me and it matters. And them saying, no, it didn't matter. Like, and it's just to have this incredible outpouring of support where all these people are like, no, this does matter and I'm so sorry. And are like, I found meaning in this. I got, and I don't know if they're lying, because obviously, frankly, the goal is because I'm a psychopath. This is just what an artist is. They're a psychopath and they want to make people cry. I really wanted to make people cry. Because I cried endless times writing it. I was like, I want people, I want some people to see this and cry.
Starting point is 00:53:27 And I got a lot of messages that people did. And I don't think that's the inevitable result that every, I think you maybe would have to be somewhat experienced with what I'm talking about to get that, have that strong of an emotional reaction to it. But it's just once again this repeating of the pattern. So I don't even think I should be blaming the machine. But that, no, it didn't matter. Or it's not worth it.
Starting point is 00:53:49 Or it's just don't talk about it. Make the Pepsi commercials. Be the funny gamer man. Why are you making it so hard? Well, I think it's also the fact that, like, you're expecting Coca-Cola to give you credit. Don't run ads on it. I didn't want ads on it. I wasn't going to make money from the ads because already they said you're not allowed to make money from this directly anymore.
Starting point is 00:54:12 You are not allowed to be monetized at all, period, full stop. And when I ask why, they say, I don't know. I can tell you why. Do you want to know what? Sure, why. Okay, there is one popular video platform for English-based YouTube in the entire world. YouTube, you just said the word YouTube. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:54:32 Yeah, yeah. It was a clever naming convention. They made it up 20 years ago. But, like, the idea is that, like, there are so few competitors in this space that exists. I already know all of this. I'm asking you, how am I supposed to live with it? I don't know anyone. YouTube is the best path to, if you're not.
Starting point is 00:54:51 You want to write a fuck, fucking Dreg talked about this in a really great video. He talked about how if you want to write a book now, you don't, you can't just write a book. You need to have a social media presence and write a book. You need to be an influencer and write a book. You can no longer. I just disagree. I just fundamentally disagree just because like this is like words of an influencer. These are words of people who found their worth through social media and their words are valid through social media.
Starting point is 00:55:19 Do you disagree with the notion that I'm? trying to say here though that if you do not have connections if you grew up in some random fucking town in texas youtube is the easiest path towards writing filming things for a living and sharing the things that you've written and filmed oh by far the easy and now it's reached a point or it's all it has it always i don't know i don't think any human on earth that sat down and watched that video from start to finish would have uh removed it. And I'm not saying they would think this is meaningful heart and it made me cry.
Starting point is 00:55:55 But I think it clearly I'm still on this. I thought, no, posting that did give me a lot of closure because I did see this outpouring of support. And for once I didn't feel this reaction. For one day, eight hours, it was like, oh, this did matter that it happened. And it isn't meaningless. And my struggle to hold hope
Starting point is 00:56:17 and humanity isn't for not. And then it was, oh, actually it is and you're not even allowed to talk about the things that happened to you and it's the fundamental problem i guess of uh life isn't advertiser friendly and it says to broadcast yourself and i'm not advertiser friendly i suppose that's the thing about it though is like i made the i've made the comment that youtube is to educate and entertain and all that right but like that's such a squeaky clean narrative to describe such a big box company like that like they say uh What was if you were describing about animal cruelty?
Starting point is 00:56:54 It has to be educational or creative or artistic or something like that. Now tell me, who actually would uphold that if not a bot? There is no other place you can go. I paid people $1 million to step on all these puppies. And YouTube's like, God damn, that's art. There's nowhere else for you or anywhere else to go. There is no other place to go. And because of that, they can say anything and everything that they want,
Starting point is 00:57:21 and get away with it within a legal ambiguity. They can do that because there's nowhere else for you to go. And there may be one at one point, but there hasn't been in 20 years. And maybe, I don't know what will happen. If I won the lottery, I would just sue them. That is what I fantasize about. I'm not even joking. I don't fantasize about nice cars.
Starting point is 00:57:42 I fantasize about suing the shit out of them for this continuing to happen. How the fuck does free speech? And I was talking about this constantly during the culture war shit. That is now dead. The left lost, I guess. And Trump was actually suing YouTube, I believe, righteously for, you don't, I don't give a shit what he does. You can't not remove his channel because that's not, this is the town square now, full stop. And if any country, if they were to write their constitution now, they would absolutely extend free, and they cared about free speech, those protections would be extended to social media.
Starting point is 00:58:16 Because it's how we fucking talk now. no one is making pamphlets and handing them out in town squares this is what we do and Trump was suing them for that and of course they settled out of court because he didn't give a shit about that he didn't give a shit about setting legal precedent that could actually help people he didn't care about free speech he cared about his channel specifically getting removed because no one cares about anything anymore well part of it Disney has a gambling app well part of it is a I'm not suggesting you're really on that aren't you
Starting point is 00:58:44 I'm not suggesting they used to care about being family fucking friendly Dude, they were scared of releasing their cartoons on DVD because it would devalue their brand. And now they're like, come, go into millions of dollars of debt on our fucking app. Yeah, because it's so distant from their brand. That's what I think about it. You know, I think, I think we are so bombarded with everything by social media or content or news or everything from every angle that, like, realistically, the average mother doesn't care about what Disney does at this point, as long as there's not like, I don't know, a bombing happening nearby. You know, like, it's, it's so easy how dissuaded we are, how apathetic we are right now, how easy it is to be swayed only by extremism.
Starting point is 00:59:29 Like, it's the fact that, like, it's so much nicer than, like, everything else. There's, like, a numbness that surrounds everything and everyone now. And yet, there's, like, this lack of connection. And I can't understand why sometimes, just because, uh, I don't know. no i just because we sold most of our communication now takes place upon apps which uh do not have free speech no that's not why we feel isolated and alone that's certainly not it i don't know man it's obviously computers it's hard not to just point the finger at those got dang iPhones but uh i guess is it the another symptom or the cause you know of just this incredibly hopeless
Starting point is 01:00:18 age, and it really, I, I, I, because the thing is, whenever you care about something, even something stupid, like, Halo, like, I, I hold a genuine respect for the Bungy Halo titles now, like, and I, the more that I think about them and how incredible it was that those even managed to exist at all, just this nexus of, and, Halo, I compare it to Doom a lot, because it's sort of an inevitable comparison, and like, I fucking love Doom, and I put more hours into Doom games than I ever will into Halo. But Halo will give you goosebumps just from the title screen, and that's sort of incredible. And how did that even fucking happen?
Starting point is 01:00:56 I don't know where I was going with a shit, shit. Halo, once again, you care about, and I'm not trying to say it's stupid to care about Halo, but like, no one is invading a land for Halo, you know what I mean? No one is dying for it. It's a video game franchise. But you care about it. They're remastering the first one again, by the way. way again yeah again did you know that they raised the price of game price ultimate 50% by
Starting point is 01:01:22 the way yeah yeah yeah yeah so once again that microsoft is doing the thing i said they were gonna do last week i think yeah fucking christ they cannot leave the console game fast enough they're gonna try their cloud gaming thing i hope that just it's gonna crash and burn man you know it's almost as though it would make sense i'm tired of feeling stupid for caring about things because that's the only thing i've ever had is caring about things because i didn't have a normal fucking family that wasn't fucked up so I just have to care about things like what?
Starting point is 01:01:55 My YouTube channel the health of your channel in your career no I can't care about that yeah you care about that and you get robbed I'm permanently on the bad boy list forever you care about anything to clarify as innocuous or dumb as you want that's kind of
Starting point is 01:02:12 no but you were made to feel stupid what I'm saying is that I think the reason that all of the artists I love are dead is because then they can never hurt you like I'm not well I actually did learn like one small thing about like Kurt Vonnegut
Starting point is 01:02:27 I bring him up because like I try to not learn as much as I can about like the artist that I like because then it's like well it'll just hurt my feelings if I learned some bad shit but like I noticed you talked about something recently but it's not even so much because I feel like we're often to have this focus on moral purity like Vonnegut once he got to say that I was just about to say yes
Starting point is 01:02:46 not the moral purity it's the it's like I care about Kurt Vonnegut's work so it would upset me if he sold NFTs of his books right like that's the kind of thing I'm talking about yeah specifically lowering your own art its own value like I guess it's nice
Starting point is 01:03:04 that the team at Bungee isn't who has done all this to Halo it's Microsoft that's done it all to Halo Bungee simply understood when a story had been told and so they left which uh I think is genuinely like that's the thesis of the video that I just ended up dropping in pursuit of this
Starting point is 01:03:20 Apache thing and it's all edited and I don't know if I'll ever release it because I'm going to release it and someone's going to be like well what about what was it? The Clone Wars I don't have it in me to tell them the Clone Wars is a stupid fucking cartoon they only liked because they were 10 when they first saw it. Yeah it's kind of hard to rewatch if I'm being honest with it. Thank you. Holy
Starting point is 01:03:36 shit he said it. I'm a big fan. We're getting destroyed. I'm a big fan. I actually love it. I like some of the characters but man it is hard to rewatch because the pacing is so goddamn slow. It is the slowest damn pacing of any show. It's for Cartoon Network. And it's like it's the million monkeys
Starting point is 01:03:52 with a million typewriters principle. You literally, Disney just had that, right? And so did frankly Lucasfilm for a long time. So occasionally you get something good. But it's just circling this well. I haven't watched the show Andor. Have you heard
Starting point is 01:04:07 about Andor? Not really my thing. Well, it's really well liked and I've heard only good things. but I haven't watched it because Star Wars is a lot of things to a lot of people I guess partially because it's now just been milked for so long and a lot of people like the taste of the milk and not like I guess the utter
Starting point is 01:04:24 that original trilogy which I like for me I liked Star Wars for that fucking moment where Luke looked at the setting Twin Sons and it all goes back to that so it's also I did sort of outgrow it because like I joined the Air Force and I've seen a lot of stuff now I've seen a lot of the world I've traveled
Starting point is 01:04:40 I don't plan on stopping or anything But, you know, it's like that, I liked, I connected to that feeling like you're trapped in this dead end and you want to see things, you know, and that's what I found meaningful. And then you got to go off and you do, and like, I've gone off and I've done some fucking adventures. So it feels silly to still just be watching Star Wars over and over. Where's I going with that? I'm sorry. But like the, and or I've seen one thing from it. And it's a monologue from one of the characters and it just popped up on my YouTube and I was like, all right, I'm writing this video.
Starting point is 01:05:13 writing the words Star Wars and I don't know, maybe this is the argument against the thesis of the essay was you remove art from its original, the circumstances of its original creation, and it'll just rot. It'll just turn into sand in your hands. Because it, it, it, it, sorry. Halo is not a collection of, like, icons and logos or set of mechanics. It's the creation, right? And, where are my, I'm fucking, I'm so worked up now. Motherfrey. Let me get back to where I am. Hold on. The Andor monologue, it was about this character talking about sacrifice and like all he'd had to sacrifice for the rebellion and this and that. And it was a genuinely powerful writing delivered really well. It made me think of fucking like Geronimo.
Starting point is 01:06:04 Not even Geronimo really, because Geronimo just sort of, it doesn't matter. It made me think about the endless conflicts that I read about and how people are shaped by them and how they shape the conflict. And, you know, just, it made me think about history. It made me think about some deep, dark, sad things, you know? And then I was like, what the fuck does this have to do with Luke Skywalker? And I don't mean like, I'm not meaning like, I'm upset that Luke isn't busting it with a lightsaber to slash up shit or whatever. It's just, this has nothing to do with the three movies made in the late 70s and
Starting point is 01:06:35 early 80s, which are about a rag tag group of friends destroying an evil empire. This is a dark harrowing exploration. of conflicts and how we must become evil to defeat evil. This is not what Star Wars is and it was good but it's not Star Wars.
Starting point is 01:06:52 To clarify, it's just a piece of media existing within the same setting. That is all it is. What it is, I hate the idea. I'm saying is what's the point of it. This could just be some cool show. The idea of symbolic purity
Starting point is 01:07:04 of a single piece of media is baffling to me. Like that doesn't sound good at all. No, the point putting Star Wars on that speech makes it silly that could have
Starting point is 01:07:17 yes that makes it silly and stupid because Star Wars is about a ragtime group of friends conquering an evil empire with the power of friendship and magic that's fucking stupid to me it's not it's not that
Starting point is 01:07:28 you know it's just it's no you don't see how a harrowing speech delivered by it's like what's a Stellan Scars guard it's like this old man a real actor doing his full on capital A acting yeah I don't
Starting point is 01:07:41 It's a powerful speech. If I read it in a book written by a person, and it was titled, like, I don't know. I was thinking about the Jeff Vanderbier's The Annihilation Book recently. If that was an annihilation, which wouldn't make any sense for it to be an annihilation. It doesn't matter. If it was in a book written by a person, or if it was in a movie in this new original idea or a show new original idea with some vision, if it wasn't just this hollow brand exercise that existed because Disney invested billions of dollars into this property, I would have no problem quoting it or thinking about it all the time
Starting point is 01:08:14 But I don't want to quote it or think about it because it feels fucking stupid Because it is tied to this property that sells fucking action figures And there's like a Jedi Academy show for children Yeah, yeah It's you don't see how that reduces it Not at all honestly I cannot agree to me It just seems like
Starting point is 01:08:31 Hold on So you're telling me that if you read I'm trying to think what's a good People are trapped in history And history is trapped in them James Baldwin wrote that in one of his essays You don't think that if that was written By an advertising firm and put on a poster for McDonald's
Starting point is 01:08:49 You don't think that would cheapen the message That it would inherently become a less powerful thing That if that was originally made for McDonald's I mean cheapenness relative to who holds value And I'm asking if it's if I'm giving you an insightful idea If powerful writing becomes less powerful If it was conceived of
Starting point is 01:09:09 of how we express our art, like that fucking matters. It's, that was a good allegory I came up with, and you were going to bullshit step around it. You answer that question. People are trapped in history, and history is trapped in them. Poster at McDonald's or James Baldwin's essays. Do you think that that quote would still be powerful if it was for McDonald's? I don't know why they're getting so dark with their commercials.
Starting point is 01:09:36 One's in a book, one's on a poster, man. Honestly, yeah. That's such a hollow, awful way to look at it. I just, I can't agree. Man, I thought that would get you, and you're just going with it. I have the beholder. It's like talking, it's like that one Jubilee clip that's always shared. Where it's like, what are you a fascist?
Starting point is 01:09:51 And he's like, yeah, I'm a fascist. And you just set the equivalent of like, I was like, what, I raised you a business ghoul hypothetical. And you were like, yeah, I'm a ghoul. You don't get fired. You're getting promoted for that. That guy got fired from his job. I mean, like, to clarify, I mean, that is just value seen from one person to the other. Like, obviously that has incredible value to you and the people listening to this and those who follow the words of James Baldwin and try to understand and write essays about it and make other things.
Starting point is 01:10:18 Are you cheapening his words by saying them right now on a YouTube podcast? No, you're building, you're constructing, you're adding to culture. It may be more ubiquitous with culture. That doesn't mean that it's a bad thing. Like, we consider it cheap because it's an insult. It's not insulting to make something more than what it was, you know? and or is trash because it's trash you know like I wouldn't call it
Starting point is 01:10:41 trash because I haven't even seen it I haven't seen it either I was gonna say people people whose opinions I respect claim to like it so I don't know but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get mad what I'm saying is people are gonna get mad at you that's okay I don't mind they're internet people they're allowed to get mad
Starting point is 01:10:54 it's their job that's what we're here to piss them off they're here to get mad and that's really what this business is about well it's just that like we got other shit to worry about you know we got other things to worry about it's a beautiful part of our life that we hold on to, but it's not all of it. It's a tiny piece that will form us as we move on. What is his name? Is it not, it's not Alec Baldwin. That's a guy who shot some other guy.
Starting point is 01:11:15 James Baldwin. James Baldwin. When Hilaria Baldwin said in a Spanish accent, James Baldwin is. Do you know who Valeria Baldwin is? No, I don't. She's a woman who isn't Latina and she'll do a Latina accent for some reason. Why? I don't even know. James Baldwin is carved onto the side of your heart and we'll stay there for a long time. But it's just because what I'm saying is I don't allow this speech. It wouldn't have gotten that. It wasn't that good. But, you know, I'm saying I would have led it into my heart more. I would have let it influence my thoughts and feelings more if it wasn't Star Wars registered trademark. And I think that's fair. And I think that, you know,
Starting point is 01:11:54 it's like, I was just messaging this guy in Discord. And like, I haven't played Halo 5. That's the only one I haven't played. And it was like, it's actually really fun. And I just sort of don't want to fucking touch it because like it'd be if it was called like i don't know uh frankly i'm stealing from chris raygon here he called it parkor laser tag and he said it was pretty fun but the fact that it doesn't feel like halo and that it's just trying to clearly shallowly mind it's it's this totally new thing wearing the face of something you loved and that was special and the new thing simply isn't special and it could maybe have developed into something special for me halo Halo isn't this multiplayer game
Starting point is 01:12:29 It isn't this setting It isn't really enough But Halo for me Is playing forge With my one friend Setting up shit Doing dumb things Trying to flip the elephant
Starting point is 01:12:38 Stuff like that That's what Halo is to me It's the Reach Forge With a friend who is dead And no longer with us I will never share That memory with another person Right
Starting point is 01:12:47 So like That was a place I wasn't sure if the essay should go Every time I see another Halo game I'm not reminded of that at all Because it has nothing to do with that you know, like those memories of Halo are what I have of Halo, you know, like it's, I can't really say that for everyone.
Starting point is 01:13:04 That's a healthy perspective, but wouldn't it be nice if you could just treasure those memories? That wouldn't affect how you treasure the memories. Wouldn't it be nice if you could include, if you'd watched, this feels absurd because obviously you're describing something you were doing as a teenage boy and like as a young man, but the, if you watch Citizen Kane with him. like something that isn't going to be endlessly recycled and dragged down and forced into these new places that it never should be forced into.
Starting point is 01:13:37 You know what I'm saying? Wouldn't it be nice if you could also, I don't know. I mean, we can always just boot up the old Xbox. I can open up Halo and I can sit there and I can nostalgia for a while. Yeah, you still can just launch Halo Reach and do that. I can go buy a clear green Xbox. The problem with the essay, essentially, is the essay was like, I care so much about this. And I guess that's always the problem with the video essays, is you've got to convince others to care.
Starting point is 01:14:03 But I feel like times are too cynical. Essentially, the argument I made is, like, rings of power, right? J.R. Tolkien went through World War I, and he was an orphan, and he had to constantly struggle to have hope. And, like, that is, of course, the books. Like, it's beyond the constant making up of languages and shit. And he's in the books Like I remember we talked about in the last podcast It's like a joke I said that Mithril is Balrog shit
Starting point is 01:14:30 Yeah And that is very much Frank Herbert world building Yeah But that's not J.R. Tolkien World Building I'm not saying Lord of the Rings I was just cracking a joke obviously But it's I like Frank Herbert world building And I like Tolkien's prose
Starting point is 01:14:42 And plot way more I've read Dune And I just I do not like the way characters interact with each other Tolkien's work is so fucking human You know Yeah Because it's just about
Starting point is 01:14:54 Herbert is like dealing with Messiah figures and prophecies and politics and hierarchies come from and how dynasties rot and it's just Tolkien is just like Hey isn't it hard to be hopeful Let's write a story about hard in his death
Starting point is 01:15:11 And we'll sing a song on the way About how power corrupts Yeah all the songs I love the fucking songs I got it's literally right here There are two types of Tolkien fans One of them buys the Silmarillion, the other one buys the Adventures of Tom Bombadil. And there's a poem about a cat in here, and it's very cute.
Starting point is 01:15:29 So, yeah, where was... So Empire's rotting from the inside out, yeah. But, yeah, it's like, I do, and it feels like what's the point of arguing against it? Because that was what the essay was doing, is like, what's the point of arguing against this if they're just going to keep doing it? But, yeah, I think the rings of power existing does cheapen that. Excuse me. I think there being three Hobbit movies cheapens. that but at the end of the day
Starting point is 01:15:52 I'd seen all or I'd never watch the Rings of Power and I'm never going to but it had come out and I watched all three with those awful awful Hobbit movies but still reading Lord of the Rings for the first time this past summer I fucking cried at the conclusion of it so I guess it doesn't cheapen it it can never destroy it but it does
Starting point is 01:16:09 cheapen it you know I see I see how you can understand that that way I just I I don't really see it as cheapening it yeah just because that's just not the word I would attach to it you know Maybe cheapen isn't the right word. It feels, well, it's, I say it in the video that I guess I'll never release.
Starting point is 01:16:30 You feel preyed upon for your affections for art. And it just, once again, it's that feeling of being robbed for caring. And it's how awful that always feels being made to feel stupid for caring about something. I'm so familiar with that feeling. I think all of us are. You seem to just bear it a lot easier than I do. It's just because I'm more or less willing to be alone for large portions of my life, I guess, is the bottom of it. And I'll just commit just insane amounts of time studying some subject for just a long time.
Starting point is 01:17:08 And it would be nice to talk to you right now on this recorded podcast about Mycology for six hours and Paul Stamance and wine cap, field-based wine cap propagation. But realistically, I know that I'm going to have that conversation with two people in my life tops. It'll be a good conversation, but it won't happen often, you know? Like, I have to acknowledge the fact that, at least in terms of mycology, I'm not going to have that often, you know. It's a lot easier with Lord of the Rings, though. You can find groups of people out there who feel them. You got to understand. I don't know what the sexy or interesting parts of mycology are.
Starting point is 01:17:46 I'm sorry if I'm boring when I get into the history stuff. I like to think I don't get too in the weeds I try not to Here's an example of something interesting I find about mycology that is so boring at the same time Whenever you set up your quote unquote lab you have to have a specialized fan that is blowing
Starting point is 01:18:02 into you. Oh he's talking about growing mushrooms I'm sorry continue just what mycology is You have to put a fan that is blowing into you the entire time it's blowing It basically whatever air is coming out of that fan is scrubbing the air of any microbes or anything that can breathe life you're fighting against life whenever you're beginning the spore inoculation.
Starting point is 01:18:22 So you drop your spores from your host onto your agar plate. I'm not going to explain every step of the process, but you put it on to your floor. Well, this is what I'm specifically asking. Like, give us the Ferris wheel. Oh, shit. Oh, that's what I'm saying. You're saying you have to have the fan pointed at you. It's pointed out of you.
Starting point is 01:18:37 So your gross humanness doesn't infect? It's like that. Basically, around you right now in this room, if you had light filtering through your room, you would see dust and particles everywhere, some of which is a lot. my YouTuber den, so the blinds are always closed. Yeah, there's like spores and like fungus is growing everywhere. I see what you're up. But yeah, that's what you're trying to stop.
Starting point is 01:18:55 And the way you stop that from beating your mushroom that you're trying to put on this little plate is you blow clean, quote unquote, air across your body. And you just, you do all that and you close it as fast as possible to trap just this little seed, sort of a quote unquote seed, you know, like a spore. A spore, yeah. It's just very, very small. and it can be from a piece of jello. Agar is jello.
Starting point is 01:19:21 And it's a nutrient-dense jello in this case because it's had like nutritional stuff added to it. Why don't you just like do a dead squirrel? You could do that. It's just I forget exactly what the name of mushrooms that take over. What is it like animals and all that? Maybe they're like neophytes.
Starting point is 01:19:40 I forget exactly. But yeah, if you want to get into, that's called a vermiculture. Isn't it a neophyte also in a premoniculture? Isn't it a neophyte also in a apprentice at like a religious organization. Then it is not a neophyte whenever it's gone. Hold on, what?
Starting point is 01:19:53 But like the thing about like growing mushrooms is that like you're fighting everything around you in the air to like get this. So it's a person, yeah, a new convertor. It might also. I might be thinking of something else. Well it could be like used in boat. That'd be cool if so. I think fight is in it but not neo.
Starting point is 01:20:09 Oh, like okay. Yeah, but things I'd eat decomposing tissue and all that. No, it is. In botan a neophyte is a plant species which is not native to a geographical so it's not exactly what you were thinking of. That's not botany, yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:23 That's okay though. But anyway, what's interesting about it is that you're just trying to take something from a spore, put it on some jello, stick it in your fridge for a little while until it takes, you know, and starts to grow out little myceliums.
Starting point is 01:20:37 I think you take that. You put that, there are so many weird little steps. You have to pressurize and heat up a bunch of barbecue wood chips because it had to be a hardwood. It can't be softwood. And then you put them in bags
Starting point is 01:20:52 and you inoculate them with your jello. You take your jello, scrape it off into some water, and then you blend it up, and then you take that in syringes, and you stab it in plastic bags, cut up on the plastic bags. Put that in a super humid room, preferably with foggers, not mist, foggers.
Starting point is 01:21:09 It's a mushroom forest. What you've done by creating these sealed bags all around you and slicing them is effectively you're simulating a oak tree stump where a mushroom would grow. And the only thing that will grow there is a mushroom because you killed everything on it by putting it in a vacuum chamber. The only thing in there is your mushroom spore. It's incredible that we watched side effects together. And I don't remember you mentioning a single thing about mushrooms or mycology.
Starting point is 01:21:35 Because all I'm thinking about is that bit where he's doing all this shit. And then it's like, why don't you just put it outside? And granted he needed turtle shit. Yeah. But is that, why don't you, I see mushrooms outside. Not so much here. They're not really a thing here. Mushrooms are a fascinating topic.
Starting point is 01:21:50 I could talk about them all day, but like I made this joke for years with my ex about how the greatest way to assassinate someone. I think they did this for some old Roman emperor or something is there is a plant, not a plant, there's a mushroom where if you eat it and if three days before eating it, you drink alcohol, or three days after eating it, you drink alcohol. you will die. Really? Yeah. There's mushrooms
Starting point is 01:22:16 that'll make you allergic to your own cells. There's mushrooms that will make you allergic to other things. There's some that will make you bleed out your eyes.
Starting point is 01:22:24 It's a very interesting thing. You don't eat the shit you find outside. Make that very clear. There's nothing outside you should eat without properly testing and doing spore prints
Starting point is 01:22:31 and like understanding that this is a living. Everything in the grocery store is only there because at one point a human was like, I wonder if I can eat that. Well,
Starting point is 01:22:40 agaricus by sporesis is the portobello. the cremini the white the white button those are all the same mushroom the grillers in europe in caves for a couple hundred years so that was the original mushroom propagation i'm not going to get into east asian mushroom propagation it's probably older but i don't really know that i just know they're a big thing there because i was reading a book about the cia and i can't remember which book this was well apparently the person that introduced the it was a couple that apparently popularized silo cylo cybin mushrooms in north america and they got that uh what is the name of that guy
Starting point is 01:23:11 fuck. It's been too long since I read these books. This is one particular motherfucker. He was more about LSD but basically apparently in Mexico people were eating Silo Saba mushrooms still, but it had just never, you know, left. Yet it never took off. The
Starting point is 01:23:27 conquistadors naturally they were like, all right, cool, so where's the shiny metal? I don't care about your fucking shaman woodcraft. Your pupils are like a dinner plane and they're like over there. Oh god. But yeah, this man, he married a Eastern European woman or she might have been Russian
Starting point is 01:23:42 and she had a great passion for mushrooms and she spread that passion to him and they wrote a mushroom cookbook Ooh I know I think it's called Hula Coche if I remember correctly or Hula Coche
Starting point is 01:23:57 H-U-I-L It's it's a So this is called an A-Bordid mushroom And there's some that contain Salaf and some that don't Okay this is So
Starting point is 01:24:10 So it's whatever a corn sprout has been inoculated or randomly in the air. It is a fungus. The spore of a mushroom has landed on it. Oh, no, I'm not talking about, they'll just eat that. Yeah, those are delicious. Those are great. They sell them. They sell them.
Starting point is 01:24:27 They sell them canned. Isn't that crazy? That's gnarly. It doesn't sound good. Canned mushrooms are gross. No, it was like the silo cylo-sibin mushrooms, though. Yeah, no, I don't know nothing about that. I don't really like that kind of stuff.
Starting point is 01:24:39 That's not really for me. Yeah, no, the police are listening, so it's good that you said that. That's not even a joke. Like, you know what, I'm not a little kid anymore. You know? We both experimented with hallucinogens a lot. Yeah. But I remember, I think it's, you really cannot do that past the age of, I had too many close calls where I definitely almost lost my mind.
Starting point is 01:24:59 Yeah. It feels that way in retrospect. The last two times, whenever I was in my 20s, yeah, I felt like I almost lost my fucking goddamn shit, dude. And, yeah, I don't know, man. And like, it shocks me what the youth and what young minds can take. Like, you know what, I can't watch it with Gore anymore. Like, Charlie was going on the Criterion Channel recently, going through these, like, fancy, old, cool movies, and it's Halloween. So it was like the body horror compilation.
Starting point is 01:25:26 I was like, what's body horror. And he's like, oh, you don't know what that is? You know, let me play the trailer for all the movies. It'll, like, show, like, 10 movies and little bits from them all. And it was a little horrifying shit ever and just, like, real gross grotesch yet. And I was like, Charlie, I don't think I don't think. I like body horror very much. Like your favorite movie is the thing.
Starting point is 01:25:44 Yeah, but like it's it's not about the groteseness that I like it. I do love the puppeteering. I think it's the greatest like 80s example of like puppeteering and physical what's it called? It's been so long. What is it called? Whenever you're using
Starting point is 01:25:59 practical effects. I think it's a great use of practical effects. And I like John Carpenter stuff. I hate Carrissel but I love John Carpenter's stuff. Yeah, I just Body horror is gross to me. Like, as a kid, I was scared of, like, oh, you know, I'm walking through the blockbuster.
Starting point is 01:26:15 I see that leech movie. There was, like, a girl in a tub, and there's, like, fleshy leeches all around her. And, like, I would see that shit, and it freaked me out, and it still freaks me. I, like, saw, hostile. All this shit was big when I was a little kid. And whenever I saw it, I was always, like, freaked out by it.
Starting point is 01:26:28 I always felt inherently, this is a little wrong, and I wasn't attracted to it. There were things that were wrong I was attracted to, but that wasn't it. Yeah, I mean, you're just describing, like, enjoying a rated R movie. I remember I got Species. Oh, yeah. I think that was everyone's first jerk off experience
Starting point is 01:26:45 because I believe it was on. You beat your little shit, yeah. Because it was on the Xfinity on demand or whatever the fuck. Yeah, we didn't have that. How did you watch species? How did you beat off to species? I stole it from my friend's house because his dad had lots of brown bottles
Starting point is 01:27:01 with blue labels and he didn't know what we were doing half the time. So I would take DVDs, bring them over to my place, beat my little shit, Bring it back. That's what I did. We're making species sound so depraved. You just like see, well, she doesn't, she's like a hot alien girl.
Starting point is 01:27:15 Yeah. And she kills people. Okay. Yeah, but, like, it's, like, really bad body makeup the whole time, too. And there's, like, scales and you can, like, see plaster all over. It's, like, so bad. It's, it's a good watch. Like, I feel like that's the kind of movie that truly, it was probably in theaters, but I feel like
Starting point is 01:27:30 it was meant to be watched on VHS. Dude, if I could do anything right now, like a meteor is about to hit the earth. And I have an hour and a half of time to kill. and some alien says you can go to any point in history for an hour and a half, you're still going to die. I want to go watch the faculty in theaters in like 1999. I want to go to a mall. What is the faculty?
Starting point is 01:27:51 It's like this shitty 1990s like horror movie with Elijah Wood and like the teachers are aliens and all that. It's like a body snatcher movie. But the idea of the 1990s or early 2000s mall culture thing, I've always found it fascinating because I didn't grow up with that. I just found it so fucking cool to me. Like, people actually used to go to malls and shit and hang out. Like, I know I sound like an old jaded man right now, but, like, it was just cool. Look up the faculty real quick.
Starting point is 01:28:20 Look at Elijah Wood just before, what is it called, Lord of the Rings. I don't, oh, I see him. There he is. He's not even top billing. Yeah, no, he's not. No name there is. I don't know who the fuck that is. Hip and scary, says Fox TV.
Starting point is 01:28:36 A thrilling ride, says CNN. Yeah, it's not a good movie. I just take me to your teacher. Oh, that's pretty spooky looking. All right. All right. I like that. It was just such of an era.
Starting point is 01:28:46 Like that species era. Like, Blade 1 and 2. Like, I love that shit, dude, just because, oh, an Event Horizon. Event Horizon's one of my favorite movies. You know, maybe I lightly like body. Oh, wait a second. No, that, the main, wow, that good casting director, I guess. Because, I mean, this guy, have you seen him and stuff?
Starting point is 01:29:07 I don't know his name. I don't know his name. He was in that M-night Chamalon movie where his daughter was a pop star. You know what? I've heard references in my Chalamalan for years. I honestly, I've seen so few of his movies. I saw older or old or whatever,
Starting point is 01:29:21 the beach where people get old and shit like that. Is that Keira Knightley? The beach where people get old. That's honestly. That's the movie. I'm pretty sure it's called the beach. But it's so funny, every time people talk about it,
Starting point is 01:29:30 the beach where the people get old. Dude, it's, okay, here's my thing. I love Pulp sci-fi. I love short shot sci-fi stories. Yeah, no, that is a text. 10, 15 page Ray Bradbury story. So why the fuck is that a movie? Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, right?
Starting point is 01:29:42 If you're going to make a movie like this, at least get a different director or something like that and turn it into some Zach Snyder shit, you'll probably get a better return. What the fuck is Zach Snyder gonna do with the beach where people get old? Add aliens, I don't fucking know.
Starting point is 01:29:55 Blig blue hole. There's gonna be more abs. I don't know. Oh, have you seen the new Avatar trailer? Yeah, I watched it. It's horrible. I'm so ready. I'm so ready to watch it, man. It looks fine.
Starting point is 01:30:05 It mostly just makes you excited. I feel like James Cameron it's not that he's wasted on them or whatever but it's just I wish that I could see him make one movie every three years for my whole life you know what I'm saying
Starting point is 01:30:17 What do you mean? I feel like he would have been better used like that I like true lies I don't want to say it's my favorite of his I guess probably Terminator 1 is my favorite of his but just shit like that you know what I mean but also it's I don't know
Starting point is 01:30:31 how he would have adapted to the Marvel era it's interesting how he literally has been so monstrously successful like Steven Spielberg I guess is sort of like this but it's like there's an entire separate movie industry just for James Cameron and his avatar films and they don't abide by logic at all
Starting point is 01:30:47 you know like everyone has always mentioned that you know they're always more successful than they should be and it happened again with the last one I think I watched it twice in theaters I don't regret it it was a good movie
Starting point is 01:31:02 why did your voice sound like that though I don't know it's because it really is just like Yeah, you just like You get to swim with the alien whales For like three hours Yeah, it's like a fucking like What is it?
Starting point is 01:31:14 It's like a documentary Like half that movie feels like An alien Netflix special documentary I mostly like the Because I'm me and I want it to do Like anthropology stuff And it never quite does It's always like these are the tree guys
Starting point is 01:31:28 These are the water guys I guess now we're gonna get some fire guys I don't know I'm curious to see The Avatar will come Just give it a bit dude They're really just going to spin that around eventually. Oh, we're going to end up being just another thing that just gets...
Starting point is 01:31:42 Yeah, just one who unites them all or some shit like that. Wait, what? That's what I imagine. Like, this is like the most brain-deb plot of all time, you know? Oh, oh, well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I imagine Jake Suley is going to... It's going to be like the Battle of Little Bighorn or whatever the fuck, and he's going to, you know... But the series doesn't have any teeth. But it's going to take, huh?
Starting point is 01:32:02 Yeah, the series... Yeah, there's no teeth to this, like, like, movie franchise, though. So no matter what ending it's going to be, they're never going to let it go. They're never going to let it stop making money, and they're never going to give it a good enough ending that it could possibly deserve, not that it deserves, that it could deserve. Like, that's what a my issue with it is. It's like, this is like the avengering of it all. This is the Avenger effect of it all, you know? Like, there's opportunities to, like, just kill it, make it classy, just stop it all.
Starting point is 01:32:32 Just, just like, let it be done. James Cameron certainly reaches an age. At some point, right? Nah, we'll put him in an AI and make them work forever. He'll have no mouth and he will scream and we'll make him write movies for us and direct them for us. Yeah, I don't even think we're going to get past the next one. I don't know. AGI is going to come and what it's going to do is it's going to be like us.
Starting point is 01:32:56 It's going to make all of it meaningless. I think that's it. I don't think it's so fucking. Why am I on this today? Because you're a fucking doomer. You're a goddamn dumber. You ate a pizza yesterday. day.
Starting point is 01:33:07 That's fucking why. Because I message this guy, I'm going to eat a whole pizza today. So, of course, he's going to come here and I'm going to be like, Rang. Nothing has meaning. Rang. See ya.
Starting point is 01:33:20 God, man. You were getting to animated short films. That's what I like YouTube for. It's great for getting animated short films out. Like my experience at Subway 3 by odd ones out? I've been watching this one YouTuber here. Here's a bright light.
Starting point is 01:33:33 There's this guy named Chasington, and he's basically just like what I would do if I started making YouTube videos when I was 19 or 18. I think he started making them earlier. I don't know. It's funny, because he's like seven or eight years younger than me,
Starting point is 01:33:46 probably. But he feels like he's of such a different generation the way he talks about the death of let's players. Or like, he made a video about Mashable. And so essentially I listen to this. I feel like a grandpa being explained,
Starting point is 01:34:01 someone, like my granddaughter's explaining K-pop to me. I'm like, I'm glad you're enjoying that you sung. Or like next time I see her I'm going to be like Hey how that Jung Yu how's he Like Grandpa we don't even like him anymore
Starting point is 01:34:13 But he's just so genuinely affable And just he's just I don't know I just I like him a lot He talked about he made an entire video About the Yo Mama channel And I watched all of it twice I've watched the video twice now
Starting point is 01:34:28 I still have never seen this show I'm making it sound like I watched the entire video And then was like all right let's I didn't absorb it all Let's start again But like no I've been watching him for a long time just a very funny guy I don't know he's just I don't know how to put it
Starting point is 01:34:40 it's the probably the only actual video essayist that I regularly listen to that isn't Noah called Weldervase because he's great and H-bomber guy just does like one video a year so that doesn't even count
Starting point is 01:34:52 yeah and also I don't even want to talk about H-bomber guy I always get scared talking about him like I'm gonna make a single inaccuracy like I should have mentioned that Cochee's had a negotiation in like 1867
Starting point is 01:35:05 I didn't mention that in my Apache Wars video and H. Palmer guy's going to come down on me. Is that what he does? Yeah. No, that's not what... You don't even know who he is? No. Oh, shit. We swim in different circles, Fad.
Starting point is 01:35:16 I'm sorry, I just farted that reeks. Jesus. He... I don't know, he just does... He mostly does long-form video essays, but occasionally he'll ruin a YouTuber's... He didn't ruin it. There was this plagiarist.
Starting point is 01:35:30 His name was James Somerton, and also he went after Internet Historian for all. also is plagiarism. And I guess I talked to you about that. And I remember you being like, yeah, I don't care. Yeah, yeah. But I don't see how you couldn't care.
Starting point is 01:35:44 See how much I fucking struggled. He ripped off, it'd be one thing if he plagiarized from a, like, a fucking Reddit post about his Tumblr, like, Khan. But instead, it was like the man in the whole story. He plagiarized history specifically from a website that genuinely put in this intense effort to tell this compelling story. You know, whatever. I can't make this motherfucker care.
Starting point is 01:36:10 It's just, I thought the story was good. It was good. Would I have liked it as much in that other form? Probably not. No, you never would have seen it in the other form, I guess, is the argument. You can make a philosophical argument there. No, you just say where you're taking. Don't even ask permission.
Starting point is 01:36:27 Should have quoted. Yeah, he literally just had to say, I took this all from this guy. The thing is that he apparently never asked. asked, if I'm remembering from the video correctly. Yeah. But he definitely never gave credit. And, like, just give fucking credit.
Starting point is 01:36:40 Like, I quote books in my videos constantly, and I don't try to pass that off as my shit. It would be so weird if all of a sudden I stopped the DJ Peach Cobbler talk, and he immediately went into, like, this real serious. Like, some of these books are very academic and dry. Oh, God. And one of these is a doctoral dissertation. Imagine if I just jumped into a dissertation. Oh, God.
Starting point is 01:37:01 You could do it, too. That's the problem. You have a power you wield, right? now the bore so many people all at once I'm bored them I let them know who's born it's because I don't want to actually cite my claim so
Starting point is 01:37:13 rather if I'm making an intense or interesting claim I you know what I'm saying yeah I need the legitimacy I use them you cite your sources to not only you do it to show your work and also like I'm not talking out my ass like I read these books and these are
Starting point is 01:37:30 this is where I read this fact or whatever I've never done it with the intention though of like avoiding plagiarism just because I've never had any issue putting things in my own words that's my favorite part is torturing this incredible work
Starting point is 01:37:50 into my monstrosities I'm sorry I'm coughing I'm just laughing internally about the idea of you just like taking this fictional rendition of an artist and just like I'm taking this and I'm going to say it differently. Oh, I love saying it differently. I say, I almost said that Manges, Colorado's had a boy pussy,
Starting point is 01:38:10 which is like a technically correct statement, but that's not in the video. That was very nice in the video. What the fuck does that mean? A boy pussy is just a bumble. So I guess he doesn't have a boy pussy in the sense that he certainly was not a bottom. I see. That's not the sense that I get from the six foot four to six foot six warrior chief of the Cheyenne Apache.
Starting point is 01:38:31 So what does Bussie have to do? Well, no, what I'm saying is, like, it was the thing I used to do more. I'd be like, here's a terrible internetism inserted. I think the best example, that's what Chat GPT failed to do, woof. It would do the sarcasm and the irreverence, but it wouldn't serve anything. Like, I once said, ask your craziest uncle what he thinks of the Jews, and that's how the Romans thought of the Carthaginians. I'm illustrating an idea and making a joke.
Starting point is 01:39:00 GPT is about irreverent as buttered toast, so like... It managed to be a little... What was it? The very least managed to be irreverent about America, but I guess that's easy, you know? Yeah. The fucking McDonald's parking lot land. I'm hearing people describe different ways of how America is terrible
Starting point is 01:39:16 to various people, to various things, to various ideas. For like 200 years, there's examples you can read, you know, as you're completely aware. Our history professor, and I guess he's, you know, he's trying to get a conversation going which is good he's early American history professor so you can imagine
Starting point is 01:39:36 like he's not exactly going in there like all right guys so the founding fathers the world was wrong and then these guys wearing wigs they signed a paper they fixed the world and ever since that it's been perfect except for those commies that one time
Starting point is 01:39:48 and those Mexicans yeah but no he just he's trying to get a conversation going and I don't think there's anyone in class that wants to take the opposite position that the United States was built on slavery and genocide I think everyone else is just like bored of it and to be clear I'm not
Starting point is 01:40:04 bored of it I'm all about that shit reading about that shit but it you know it's I guess the slavery stuff like it's already for me it's just like yeah that's awful I'm making it sound like it's boring it's he's preaching to the choir
Starting point is 01:40:22 it's not even preaching to the choir it's like trying to impart to a bunch of priests Jesus is really important Like yeah They want to talk to you about Jesus But they don't need to talk about Jesus being important This is part of the reason I think
Starting point is 01:40:35 Like the communication and the idea Of like business and commerce throughout history Is so important in conjunction with history Because it tells you a lot of the reasoning For things to occur Market forces compelled them You could say that Yeah that is an incredibly bland way of putting it
Starting point is 01:40:51 But yeah what you could really say is like Well shit we already know Like in the deep south they're slaves in the South because it's where they could grow shit and it was a horrible fucking place to grow things. Yeah, it is very convenient how all the states where slavery wasn't as profitable, how they were all the abolitionist ones and vice versa.
Starting point is 01:41:10 I'm condemning human nature, not abolitionists. You know, I like to think of myself as a centrist, but abolition I'm just saying, like, all these comedians are going to Saudi Arabia and apparently people are like, oh, they have slaves. I'm just repeating that Tim Well fuck what was his name Then one comedian It doesn't matter
Starting point is 01:41:32 All there was that like How do you feel about Dave Chappelle Recently recent years Oh well that I watched him live And it was actually sort of creatively inspiring Watching him command an entire room With jokes that weren't that funny That's mean
Starting point is 01:41:46 He was pretty funny It wasn't bad You know it's just No well him doing that thing Yeah I know you can go fuck himself I mean he's been especially after You know he was really once had a soul and he stepped away
Starting point is 01:41:57 whenever his work started to make him uncomfortable and it's really interesting hearing him talk about that because it's sometimes how I feel about my own stuff like that's not the reaction I was going for. And I got a bunch of comments when I talked about this on the last podcast and people were like, you don't have to take responsibility for that. It's like, no, I'd sort of do. You can't just, like he was making jokes about black people
Starting point is 01:42:17 liking fried chicken and watermelon and he was like, am I? And I think Chappelle's show, because I watched it all when I was like eight. It wasn't lost on me. Like, I was laughing at the blind KKK guy. But, no, it's like, am I, is my work a net negative? I don't think mine is, certainly.
Starting point is 01:42:41 But, you know, I don't know. If you tell edgy jokes, I think you should be constantly thinking about who's laughing at this and why, you know. Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's any real Nazis watching. the producers you know what I mean I haven't watched that actually I know of it like the goal is to make the worst movie
Starting point is 01:43:02 you could make the worst the worst musical ever and they actually make successful what about gay Hitler I've seen that clip yeah so they're not everyone's beautiful it's funny
Starting point is 01:43:11 and like don't be us I'm not gonna say the quote anyway it's oh a little piece of poland sorry sorry be a spoty but it's just a I don't think Nazis
Starting point is 01:43:21 are going to go see that movie because they bathe for a brief flash of moment Nazis is this funny thing you know like it's ultimately insulting at the end to them I think you know like I don't know you know the reason why people laugh at shit always concerns me I didn't used to think about it I thought everyone thought like I did and um and then I started like like dating more and more people and I was like wow she was a really really messed up sense of humor god man you know you started noticing about everyone you're like wow we were all a little fucked up aren't we
Starting point is 01:43:52 here i'm sorry are you uncomfortable sitting in that chair i could see you doing this oh no no i just like had a fucked up sleeping position last night but sleeping on the couch because i'm a fucking elite g gamer and i do all my work you're literally gaming yourself to sleep okay so like i'll do this thing where i'll go between like an online certification i have to do to just get a single fucking job in the future and playing the finals and deep rock galactic and i just alternate between the two back and forth back and forth to like 2 a.m. which is why I haven't been doing shit and why there's not a podcast a week.
Starting point is 01:44:25 That is why, if you guys are curious. No, that's fine. I spent all last weekend. A weekend is 48 hours long, and I spent like 20 of those fucking driving. Just driving, yeah. Yeah, so that's why this podcast is going to be completely unedited. I'm uploading it to the,
Starting point is 01:44:39 I said that last time, and then I went and I edited it. Just edit it. We're not doing that. Yeah, no, I... It's cool, man. Well, I want to edit out, like, breathing and shit. And try to fix the peaks where... I can but no I'm just not going to it's I'm the real video is being done and I just I can't I feel like
Starting point is 01:44:58 they're going to be pissed also that I said I basically made a video and then I didn't release it but it's just it's gonna continue to stay there and I you get to say you get to say when to put shit out you know if you want to care it certainly normal audience members like they don't get to say shit patrons though I always feel like you know even if I didn't ask specifically I've never I think actually said go join my Patreon because I don't want to do that. And you should. Well, they absolutely fucking, they got me
Starting point is 01:45:25 through this absolute lifesavers. They were with the fucking, I mean, my stance with the Patreon shit is like, if I'm making things that wouldn't be possible without their support, then they're doing, then I'm fulfilling my side of the relationship,
Starting point is 01:45:41 which is what is actually happening, because I made the fucking video about my trauma and YouTube was like, nope, fuck you. But I managed to still, I didn't have to immediately turn around and pump out some garbage. Instead, I could just continue to work on this Apache thing, which I think it will be... So far, it's really
Starting point is 01:45:58 good. All right, that's because of the listeners. And that'll be by the end of the month. Yeah, no. So thanks to them. But here, we can call it here. It's already fucking two hours, so they're getting a lot of Yehaw gaming. I believe that we discussed actually very little gaming and very little Yehaw.
Starting point is 01:46:14 We mostly, I just doomed about AI. I'm a dumber. My God. It's because I did just eat a pizza yesterday. I also ran 10 miles. so I earned that pizza but I didn't because that's not how it worked actually run 10 miles to dominoes that's what he fucking did the other ones were closed yeah oh god thank you for listening to eog gaming the only podcast for gaming with no game battlefield thanks guys adios adios

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