The Young Turks - 2021 Wolf PAC Warrior Workshop

Episode Date: December 10, 2021

2021 Wolf-Pac Warrior Event featuring Cenk Uygur and Senator Nina Turner. Left and Right Join Forces to Fight Corruption. wolf-pac.com/join Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. All right. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the 2021 Wolfpack Warrior Workshop. My name is Mike Mineta.

I'm the national director here. And I'm going to turn it over to our communications team in just a minute. But before I do that, I just want to give you a super quick overview of a couple of things coming up. this evening so i'm just going to share my screen really quickly present uh you're about to meet our communications team as i just said and then uh coming up after them we're going to have the godfather of the get money at a politics movement larry lessig nina turner and jim rubens joining us to talk about how we build a coalition that can actually win how can we actually build a coalition big enough to amend the U.S. Constitution. After that, Jank Huger is going to join us,

founder of Wolfpack, and we're going to have a membership drive. Jane's going to be talking to some of our members, hearing their stories, why they support our movement. And we're going to be trying to get an additional 250 new members. And then at 8 o'clock, we're going to have a membership raffle. So anybody who becomes a member in the next couple hours will be automatically added to that raffle. And you're going to be getting into a raffle for free merchandise. Wolfpack merchandise. And then after that, we're going to be playing some games. It should be a lot of fun hosted by an all-star volunteer here, Steve G. We're going to be even doing two truths and a lie with Jank Hugar as well.

So definitely stick around. If you want to become a member, it's wolf dashpac.com slash go. And we also have an auction going on where you can bid on a video meeting with Jank Hugar with Larry Lessig. There's a time share. There's a sword. There's all kinds of cool stuff on there. Signed a book by Noam Chomsky. That's wolf dashback.com slash auction 21. And with that said, I'm going to go right back to the comms team. So I'm going to introduce our communications director, Rina Goldman, and Jason Argento, who is the deputy director of video for our communications team.

They do amazing work. Check out our Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, newsletters, graphics for this workshop. YouTube. They just, they do it all. YouTube. Where you are. Yeah. So, yeah, thanks for all the work you guys do on this team.

And with that settled, I turned over. All right. Thanks a lot. My name is Jason Argento. I am the video deputy director of Wolfpack and also running this. So if it all goes down, that's my fault. I'm here with a bunch of people that are volunteers with Wolfpack. And also, I'm here with Rina Goldman, who is the national communications director and also co-host.

Hi, Rina. Hey, Jason. I am, as Jason said, and Mike said, I am Rina Goldman. I am the director of the communications team here at Wolfpack. And we're here to tell you what this amazing team does. And we got a little bit of a preview. you, but it's really important to note that these guys are all volunteers. I'm the only person that is, and I'm not even full time, I'm a contractor. So the work that everybody does here is

pretty incredible. We cover social media, emails, as Mike said, and this stream that Jason is running right now, newsletters, social media, all of the graphics. Basically, all the comms that you see coming out of Wolfpack comes out of this fantastic volunteer team. We have so much talent on here, and we're always looking for more to join because when everybody's giving their time, it takes a lot of hands, right, to do all of this great work, because comm's work is challenging work, right? excellent and you're going to be speaking for Brian right for the admin yeah so actually we should probably get our lovely slideshow up yeah it's so funny in the beginning when we're like hi Rita hi Jason and we've been talking all day we have been talking all right okay I'm going to

share my screen can we see it yes all right success so far so let's let's dive in to what the comms team does so this is we've got an excellent deputy director his name is brian he it's kind of a running joke he's never been on camera in a meeting and so it was very obvious that he wasn't going to just join to be on camera now. But he's got a great quote here that you all can see on screen and he's a fantastic editor and team builder. And what the opinions team does together is work to write and edit pieces about campaign finance reform and corruption and get them placed in either local or national publications. So you're seeing two examples of that right here, the fulcrum, great friend of ours. We've had a few pieces published on there, and then another one

in the Philadelphia Inquirer. And so another thing, in addition to the op-eds is we help people get letters, to the editor out, and you can see one from Sarah, who's here with us. So I want to give Sarah the chance to talk about that experience and how she got her letter to the editor published. Hello. Hi. Are we in? You're in.

Yep. Okay. Hey, everybody. Um, yeah, it was, it was, we've been trying to do this for a long time, uh, Wolfpack, Washington and nationally, Brian was, was real good about, you know, keep an eye on the news. And for literature, the editors, you got to have to respond to something relevant. So we look for articles to respond to. And, uh, so you do that and then you write the article and, you know, hand it over to Brian or somebody to edit it because like, there's going to be copy, copy, copy. edit errors and other stuff. And Brian is a great editor. Karen's a great editor. Like everybody I've worked with, they're just, they catch copy errors, they catch, you know, and they give you stronger wording. Or, like, in a couple of cases, he wanted me to tone it down. And sometimes I wouldn't, sometimes it'd be like, you know what? If it's a letter to the editor, it need to be

strongly worded because they want, you know, it's the news. They want drama, right? So, So anyway, yes, submitted it. It was funny because we subscribed to Seattle Times and I did just so I could keep an eye on things. And then I sent in a few and they never published them. And then so I finally was just like I unsubscribed and they have the survey like, why did you unsubscribe? And I was like, you didn't publish any of my stuff. And so Jeff Clement from American Promise wrote an article and I wrote a letter to the editor

on that right after I'd unsubscribe and oh guess what got published so after I complained to him so yeah that worked um so yeah your first sentence letter to the editor you rehash what was said you put in your opinion um again keep it strong and then uh you know i made sure to put a call to action in there just so people would act on it and then there was other stuff too uh connections mean a lot And I'll let Jeff talk about that unless you have any questions. Well, I guess I'll point out that we are looking for writers and editors. We're always always looking for other writers and editors to join us on this team, help each other out, improve your work, and get the message out there.

And Jeff can really speak to how helpful that is in the state. Yeah. So my name is Jeff. I'm the Washington State Director for Communications here. And I've been working with the communications team sort of at large, but mostly with the op-eds and letters to the editor. So we've been, one of the things that we've been trying to is to develop relationships with folks that are writing articles. And so one of our volunteers, buddy had a friend that wanted to do an article on campaign financial form. So he interviewed us, Anita, who you heard from earlier today, Aaron and I, and basically gave us like a couple hour long interview and wrote up a really nice piece about it. And between that and all of the letters to the editor, we were able to send those letters to the editor. We were able to send those to our legislators. And I mean, I've been doing this since, like, 2013.

So, like, there's lots and lots and lots of asking for meetings. However, this time, we were able to send them these articles and say, look, this is something that's really important to people in your district because it was the Seattle Times. We could, like, say, look, these are your voters. And all of a sudden, they were coming to our meetings. They were coming to our calls to hear what we wanted to say. So, yeah, it's all about,

leveraging these things, not just to convince your legislators that this is what you want to do, but how to get them to be a champion for you. So there's a lot of ways to do it, and there's a really talented team of people to help, you know, we're all helping each other do this. So if you're interested in helping, let us know, and we'll get you on the right track. I have a question for you. What did you do before to prepare you for being able to volunteer and be so successful at this? I called the number. I mean, nothing. I didn't do anything. I was a retired network engineer from like, you know, the days of yours. So, no, I was, I was a disenfranchised. And I had no political experience whatsoever, didn't know anything about anything political. And no, now I'm a leader teaching people how to organize their own communities to get what they want from their legislators so it's it's awesome nice all right great right so the one of my favorite quotes actually from brian as he likes to think of the

opinions team as a support group for writers and editors so which i think is is funny because you know often some you pitch an outlet right and you don't always get published but you try again, you try again, you refine, you work together. And so, and it, it's freelancers. If you work, if you're an editor or writer, you know that that is, you don't usually have that kind of network or that support group. So it actually is a really cool thing to have a whole bunch of writers and editors working together, you know, on the same mission and cause. And so that, that brings us to our other side here. So if we don't end up getting, a piece picked up on a local or national publication. We still publish it and we use the Daily

Wolf for that. So we have our own, this is on our website on wolf dashpac.com and this is where you can find articles by volunteers on different subjects that either are in the news cycle or that they're really passionate about. And they do excellent research and making those connections on how corruption, you know, comes into play. And so you're seeing the screenshot that you're seeing here is one by Morgan Lowe. And she wrote about redlining the undue influence of special interests and put a little bit of personal perspective in there as well. And it's really, really great to see these stories and to be able to publish these on our own.

We also share these on social media, share them on their newsletters, so that we get lots of eyes on them. And you can sign up for the newsletter on the website, correct? Yes, yes. The front page of the website, there should be under that video. There's a little space where you can sign up to be on the newsletter. Excellent. All right, I'm going to slide two.

All right. And that brings us, that was a good segue to newsletters. Right. So that's another team, a thing that our team works on together. And sometimes we send newsletters to update everyone on what current initiatives will fax working on. Sometimes we ask for help, volunteer-wise. Sometimes we ask for donations because we are really, really grassroots. And so that's another thing that the team does. And we rely on, again, our excellent, writers, editors to put these together, and then our graphics folks that make the lovely headers and things that you see.

All right, and we are on to social media with Drew, our deputy director of social media. Hi, everyone. So like Rena mentioned, I'm the deputy director of social media. And as a side hustle, I'm a senior in high school. And so part of our mission at the social media team is to educate as many people about corruption and dark money, but then also empower them to do something about it. And at the top two, in the sides of this slide, you can kind of see some of our most popular posts.

The vote and campaign was done after the 2020 election, and it really sparked a conversation about What can you do after the elections over? Because so many people felt unhappy with the choices that they were given. And so we wanted to let people know that there is something you can do about it, whether that be volunteer on my social media team or donate to other causes or follow and support other candidates that you believe in. On the other side, we have a post about Nancy Pelosi.

A lot of time Wolfpack is portrayed as a left-leaning organization, but corruption, unfortunately, it doesn't, isn't partisan. It happens on both sides of the aisle, and I think one of the reasons this one was so popular is because people were tired of, you know, Democrats not being called out, just the way that people, some people are tired that Republicans aren't being called out. And then recently, we've been branching into making TikToks. I am probably the youngest volunteer and Wolfpack, but I want more young people to join us. And I wanted to make a TikTok for Wolfpack to meet people where they are and to, you know, so many young Americans feel powerless and I want to show people that they can do something. even if you're in high school. And so this is one of our most popular TikToks,

and I can tell you a little story after we watch it. Now that was a lot of damage. So really eight seconds, and it got 11.8,000 views. It was actually fun fact. If you combine all the watching time, it was watched for over 24 hours, which is kind of crazy. But this was a quick TikTok that we made.

I actually went over to my friend's house and we made it together. And it was a fun time. And yeah, TikTok is one of those places where it started a great conversation in the comments. And I think one of the reasons that it was so popular is because of the amazing graphic that was made by a graphics team. Hey, Drew, how long did it take you to make that again? Well, we did have to take a few takes, so maybe like five minutes. That's incredible. Also, so Drew, what kind of help do you need on your team?

Because you're the team, social media team lead. Yeah, so we would, social media is very accessible. So even if you don't have all the experience in the world, I didn't have any experience in social media before I started, except for, you know, using it myself. So if you can write, if you can be funny, We like to make jokes in our social media. If you want to make TikToks with me,

there's just so many things that you can do, and we'll help you to make the most that you can in our social media team. All right. Plays again when I try to go to next slide. It did it when we practiced and it did it live. You'll need someone young like Drew to. teach you how to use this technology. I know, right.

I was calling it the TikTok. It is the TikTok on the internet. Yes. All right, so that brings us to Graphics with Kathar. Hi, everyone. My name is Kathar, and I'm the deputy director of graphics. And yeah, like for anyone who has some artistic talent and or knowledge of using Photoshop or illustrator like come join us because

we need all the manpower we can get. And but for anyone who like maybe wants to start off a little simpler what your this slide has an image, an example of a template graphic, this one being an infographic where we have a template set up. So you just need to change a little bit and then be able to ship it off and send it to the social media team. So like I don't have a design degree. So this was when I started off doing these templates, it was really helpful to kind of ease me into the process of making graphics for Wolfpack. If you go to the next one though. Wait, you don't you don't have a degree. How do you get a degree? I mean, I don't have a design

degree. I have another degree. So you're saying that you learned a lot of skills here then. Yeah, that's amazing for sure because you're really good. Thanks. That is a really important thing to point out is people often come in and we help upskill each other. So you might come in with like some design skills, some writing or editing skills, but we all like work together. There's some people that are really experienced other people that are newer and everybody works together. to help each other polish their work and get better. And I've seen some really incredible growth on this team, which is so cool to watch.

Yeah, exactly. But so if you want to do something more custom, this is an example of that, where it's no template, no format. I just asked Darcy, the person who created this, and just like, we need a mix of Wolfpack and giving Tuesday. go have added and she created this, which I think it's really awesome. It's simple, it's simplistic, but elegant.

And it was, she put, she trained it out really quickly too. So yeah, I really, I really like this one. And if, if you saw our Giving Tuesday campaign, emails, social media, this was all over the place. And so this is another example of a custom graphic, which is the logo for this workshop that I made. But even though I made it, this was actually a very highly collaborative process where there was a lot of back and forth

between the different artists, trying to figure out how to best, come up with a good-looking logo for this workshop. So I had a lot of fun working on this one as well. But yeah, it's... And yeah, we do a lot of different things, like social media, the opinions or video, like there's a lot of different like asks so we're all the times bouncing around between different

projects and if it weren't for admin ops keeping things organized i don't know how we would do it hey kathar you have to show me um sometime how to make a graphic into a perfect circle because that i know how to use photoshop but i don't know how you did that but i would like to learn that shift key is your friend thanks Yeah, so Cathar gave a nice plug for admin ops, so I appreciate that. I'm Alex. I lead the admin ops section for the Wolfpack Coms team. What we do is a variety of projects that help the team be more efficient or more productive,

whatever the team needs that could basically serve all of the different departments across it. So, for example, we have an assignment and request tracker that we built on a free platform called Airtable. The team uses this to manage all of the different assignments and projects that are going on. We also use this to intake assignment requests from various sources. We even have a little bit of automation built into that system so that as things get approved for projects to be done, those automatically are generated for the various teams. So we really use this to manage all of the ops of the team. And this sort of just sprung out of a need to have some project management

and some operations program management on the team. When I first joined, I wasn't really skilled in any writing or editing videos or graphics or anything. So I found a place to contribute in doing some of this program. management and that's grown into this team of project managers and technical project managers that provide some of these services here. So a couple other examples that I want to point out from this team, we have an analyst and provide analytics support. So sometimes the team wants to know when's the optimal time to send newsletters or what's the

right strategy for a social media campaign and our analyst can provide these reports that then the different departments can use to better target those things, make that more effective. But then we also have a technical project manager who works on automating graphics projects. So on the right here, there's a graphic that with a little bit of manual work, uses a lot of automation to pull these data together and generate all of these graphics.

Then we use these in social media campaigns. And the corruption report, like you see, here is one of our better performing social media campaigns recently. So it's a nice way to leverage technology in order to make the team more productive. So these are just a couple of examples of the things that we do. For people who might be interested in contributing to Wolfpack's national communications, but maybe you don't have these creator type of skills, there's a lot of work for project managers and technical project managers inside of admin.

So we basically take on anybody who has any software background, has any technical design background, or just really good ability to solve complex problems or work with a lot of different people to fit things together and then make things more efficient for the team. So anybody who has those type of skills are welcome to join up and help us out in admin ops. Yeah. And sometimes we find skills for people and we don't even know we're going to. Like for instance, Alex, he is an amazing meeting moderator. And he just sort of kind of fell into this thing now. Whenever we want to moderate a meeting, he's like becomes like the sheriff. And he's amazing at it. Yeah. So that's, you know, we try to use people's skills wherever, you know, they might apply. I happen to be like a professional meeting haver. or at least that's how my job feels sometimes.

So I can help get some conversations from the beginning to the end a little easier than the unpracticed. But yeah, we have space for people with any of those type of skills on admin. So I think with that, I can throw it back to Rena and Jason. Should I talk a little bit about the YouTube page or do we have time? Yeah, go over video quickly and then we will just remind

people how they can join. Sure. Okay, so here's the YouTube page. Basically, we did a workshop last year and we took the segments and we cut them into individual videos. So the editors in the video department did all this. And everywhere you see graphics is all from the graphics and social media did the descriptions. Everybody pretty much contributed with figuring out what key words to put into the descriptions. And then we have the YWi Wolf Packs. Those are made by actual volunteers. And then we edit them.

And you can see a drastic difference where we decided to start branding like crazy right about here one year ago right there with Jenk doing the jogging with Rina following him. Jason, that was probably when you joined. Yeah, that was right. Yeah, that was right. Yeah, well, no, I joined in April.

So, yeah, nope, then that fall. And I'd like to play something really quick. It's our young star. And here's his 56 second, Why We Wolfpack. Hi, my name is Drew, and I am from New Jersey, and this is why I Wolfpack. I'm a research and communications organizer. I joined those people in the two years ago, right before my freshman year of high school, because I realized how messed up our political system is and that the future generation, my generation,

will be the first people to really experience the consequences. As a high schooler, I felt powerless when faced with corruption Washington and no control over my future, but Wolfpack welcomed me as an equal and gave me the power to fight back. We need a 28th Amendment to get money out of politics because I am confident that once we do, the politicians will have no choice but to represent we the people. All right. You too only. Okay, and yeah, so that's pretty much.

So we need people that know how to edit. Adobe Suites, our favorite, and it makes it most compatible. So please look at the link at the bottom, and you can help us make some stuff. What about you, Rita? Yeah, so you can sign up to volunteer for the communications team. We've got a form that you can fill out. It goes to a sheet, and then one of the onboarders will contact you.

That's wolf-dash-pack.com slash communications to fill out the form to volunteer. And again, because this is, these are all volunteers, and we're essentially running a comm department and we have it structured like that but just with volunteers instead of paid staff right and people still have all of the wonderful skills that have paid staff would have they're just donating their time and giving those skills to Wolfpack and working together so because of that it's really really important that we have a lot of volunteers because we also make sure that we respect everybody's time and life. And, you know, we, we know that you can't volunteer seven days a week all the time, right? So, so then it just takes a lot of hands with a lot of skills to

produce this stuff. So we're always recruiting, always looking for people who can write, who can edit, who can do graphic design, edit video, and then, of course, do all of the project management components and write and edit social media. We're looking for researchers. Yes. And also if you're excellent at research, check us out. Please join it. They're a wonderful group of people to work with.

Everybody has been so fantastic. This team has worked together to build all of these structures, even to build the team. So, you know, I can't say enough about how amazing this group is. and they're just truly wonderful to work together. And you can, as a bonus, on top of doing all this great work for this really important fight against corruption, you're also gaining some skills that you can put on a resume. And, you know, that's not too bad either, right? So there's a lot of wins if you come over and join comm.

So, yeah, again, wolf-dashpack.com slash communications to join us. Excellent. So that concludes Meet the Coms team, right? Yep, that concludes our portion of the evening. See now, guys, you guys were so afraid and so nervous and it's over and then you did a great job. We're good. Sarah laughing. All right, excellent.

Hey, Mike. All right. Hey, nice job, team. Thank you. Now we're going to transition to the next portion of the evening. So we're going to get Larry Lessig up here, Nina Turner, Jim Rubens on video. So Josh, maybe you can do that. And while we're getting our special guest up here, I'm just going to share my screen really quickly

and just show people a couple of links that they can go to throughout this workshop. So just give me one minute to do that. So anybody out there watching, we do, we're going to have Jank Huger coming up at the hour. and he's going to be doing a Wolfathon. We're pushing for more members right now. If you can become a member, it's wolf dashpack.com slash go. We're trying to get an extra 250 members tonight. And then Jenks can also be hosting a raffle

where we're giving out free merchandise to Wolfpack members. So if you become a member in the next hour, you will be automatically added to that raffle. So that should be fun. Jenks are also going to do the game, two truth and a lie with a couple of our volunteers. volunteers coming up. And we also have a auction going. So if you want to check out the auction, it's wolf dashback.com slash auction 21. Some pretty cool stuff in there, video meeting with

with Jank, with Larry Lessig as well. You can bid on. There's all kinds of cool stuff in there. And in fact, I think there's one spot left to play the game with Jank, if I'm not mistaken. I know one of them's gone. So check that out. And then if you want to, to just check out our work, the entire schedule that we've had today for our workshop. There's only a couple of things left. You can just go right to our homepage, Wolfshack.com. And there's a bar right across the top that'll get you to that agenda. So that's it.

Just wanted to give those links, see if everyone's all set up here. I like to be the ominous voice in the background. All the panelists should be able to come on video and their audio as well. Okay, let's see what we can do. Hey, Larry. Hey, there is. My video will not come up to moving soon. No video, Jim. How about you, Nina?

You might just have to click the button to start the video on the lower left. All right. Select another video camera. Okay. Hey. How you doing, Nina? Fine. How are you? I'm good.

Good. Long day here. We've been going since like 11. Yeah. Jim, you're going to be able to figure out your video or no? I'll start introductions and let you. So you're not blocking it at your end, right? No, Josh can tell you for sure, but no.

Fortunately, you have integrated Windows 11, and it doesn't like my camera anymore. It's super. That's okay. Well, welcome, everybody. This is the 2021 Wolfpack Warrior Workshop. We've got some really special guests coming up. This panel is called Building a Coalition that will win. the goal of Wolfpack is to get an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that deals with the corruption

of big money in politics. It's obviously a pretty lofty goal, and we're going to need a pretty massive coalition to actually get that done. So that's what this discussion is about. I don't know three better people to have this discussion, honestly, in the movement out there. We've got Larry Lessig is going to be hosting this panel. He is a professor of law at Harvard. He's also the author of Republic Lost, founder of New Hampshire Rebellion, founder of May Day Pack, those groups dealing with getting money out of politics, founder of Creative Commons, and really just known as the godfather of the get money out of politics movement, and a close friend and ally of Wolfpack and joins these workshops pretty much every year at

this point, Larry, and we'll travel around the country for us and testify at committee hearings and has just been an amazing ally for us throughout the years. So Larry, we're thrilled to have you here, as always. And we also, for the first time, have Nina Turner joining us. We're super excited about that. She's just an absolute rock star in the movement to get money out of politics, democracy reform movement. And really is just one of the most motivating speakers, I think, anywhere in the country, probably the world, honestly. Nina. She's been on the city council. She's been state senator in Ohio. She's been the president

of our revolution. Ran for Congress recently. It is a shame that she's not in Congress, but still out here in the fight with us. So that's maybe even better, Nina. And she's also a podcast host. And I wish I had the picture, but I'll just tell a super quick story about Nina and Larry. What was it? Five years ago, we were in New Orleans. And it's one of the the most memorable stories of my entire life, actually. We were at, I think it was a represent us conference or something. And we had, we had lunch on one part of town. And we didn't know it, but there was the parade started while we were having lunch. So we actually got stuck on the wrong side of town and literally couldn't get back. It was pouring rain. It was, yeah, Jeff Clements was

there, Nina Larry. It was pretty funny. I was responsible for calling Uber's, but they couldn't get across the street because the parade was there. You couldn't cross it. It was actually, it's funny to laugh about it. It was kind of miserable at the moment at this time. It was like, it lasted like 45 minutes. I was calling Uber's. They couldn't get across the parade. Jank was getting mad at me, starting to blame me. It was like, it was a real, it was a real thing. So anyway, that was one of my, one of my good memories with you, you know. And, and then, of course, we have Jim Rubens, who is another rock star in the movement. He's a former Republican state senator in New Hampshire. He's a businessman. He's also on the board of American Promise, a fellow

ally in the movement. And he constantly travels all over the country fighting for the 20th Amendment. And we'll also go and testify hearings for us and go to state houses when we need them. And in fact, it was just doing that halfway across the country all the way over in California just a couple days ago with Sam Fieldman, our esteemed counsel for Wolfpack here. So we've got just an amazing three people here to have this discussion. So I'm really honored to have you all be part of this workshop this year. And, you know, I'm going to leave.

Larry, I'm going to let you kind of take it away. You know what the, you know, what the theme is. So it's a pretty free forum and really looking forward to seeing what you all have to say. Great. Thanks, Mike. And thanks to Nina and Jim for joining this conversation. So I want to start it off by putting it a little bit perspective. It was 10 years ago at NetRutes Nation that Jank told the assembled millions, I'm sure. I wasn't actually there, that there's only one issue in the country today. And that issue was campaign finance reform. And what's striking about those words is how quaint they seem now, remembering the days when what really was the issue was campaign finance reform. And it's astonishing to recognize that in the 10 years since, everything, every single dimension of democracy has gotten worse.

In the 10 years since, we've seen the effects of the radical gerrymandering that was affected in 2010, that both empowered state legislatures to begin to impose restrictions on the capacity of people to vote that made it so that their political opponents could no longer compete equally with them in the races. We saw the effect of gerrymandering in Congress, which radically enhanced the power of, in some states, a minority to make it so that they could exercise power beyond what the Democratic mandate was. It was just after that, we began to see the extraordinary facts of super PACs, which of course were created in 2010, but really hadn't had their real significance. In 2020, 10 super PACs account for 54% of the spending that was in that election cycle. In 2010,

nobody imagined state legislatures considering, openly considering, the idea, of empowering their legislature to override the popular vote of the people of their state for president. But right now, those bills are floating all across this country and state legislatures. And of course, in 2010, we had not yet seen the extraordinary poison of the filibuster deployed in the extreme way that Mitch McConnell now wants to deploy it. so that in the current version of the filibuster, which gets triggered whenever any senator wants a filibuster. That filibuster means that 21 states representing just 21 percent of America. If you take the 21 states that supported Donald Trump by at least 10 points, those 21

smallest states representing 42 votes to block anything in the United States Senate, represent 21% of our country. So we have moved from a movement that was confronting a critical problem of campaign finance reform to a movement that is confronting the problem of democracy in general. So when I think of what Chang said, I think we need to update this. I think we need to say there is one issue in America today, one issue. And that one issue is democracy, representative democracy. And the question we need to ask is whether representative democracy is going to work in America anymore, whether it's going to give the majority the ability to set the direction for America. And that is a crisis in our country right now, as all of us see and as we reflect on

what's happened over the past year. Now, what's exciting to me about this panel, this conversation with real politicians who have actually been on the road and persuading people to what the important issues are, is trying to get a sense of whether framing a common push on the framework of democracy as possible. You know, I got to say today was not an optimistic day for me. And I wasn't sure I was going to be able to do my job in this panel discussion, which is to make us hopeful and to make us think that there's a way to go forward because we live in a country where we can't even agree about a pandemic, which has killed more people than all of the people who were killed in service in World War II. We can't even agree about that. And so when we live in that sort of

country right now, which is fueled by a infrastructure of media that profits from the politics of hate, is it possible for us to imagine focusing America on this core, number one, only in my view issue democracy. So Nina and Jim, you've done this. You've run campaigns where you've seen people face to face and you've seen what works and what doesn't work. So I'd love you to open this conversation up by helping us to believe what I, today I'm not sure I believe, that it is possible to build or if it's not, like, what do we have to do to get this? So, Nina, why don't we start with you? Thanks so much. And it's a pleasure to join Wolfpack and to be with you and Jim. And I just want to thank Mike for walking me down memory lane I had on heels that day,

which is contrary to how I usually roll, because when you are out and about on campaigns, you've got to be really ready. So Mike, thank you. Gave me a little chuckle. I think, Larry, it is possible. It's always possible. We cannot give up on the possibility. But what we have to marry with that possibility is the inordinate amount of work that is going to take. We have to face this question, you know, the issue of democracy, representative of democracy, and will it last? Can it stand? Can it endure with the notion those of us who are on this particular battlefield, we got to go into this work knowing that it is going to be inordinately difficult given, especially given the temperature that is in our country right now. I would also, I would argue

that where we are right now is really just where we have always been. It's just bubbled to the surface that Mr. Trump as president of the United States of America for four years that seem longer than four. They were intense years is really just a mirror reflecting back at us as a nation because we have so much unfinished business. And it wasn't just one four year term that got us here. You know, I'm old enough to remember 2010. I was in the Ohio legislature at the time when lines were drawn in Ohio, they were gerrymandered lines, jerrymandered to hell lines. I was also, you know, I testified in a case that the ACLU led also with the A. Philip Randolph organization here in the state of Ohio, some other extraordinary people who are on the front lines of this work.

And I voted against that map for the very reasons that you outlaid, Professor, is because I knew that the map was wrong to identify 12 seats that would almost always go to Republicans, no matter. what and four seats to Democrats, no matter what the voters wanted, they would always have those four seats. And when you combine that, it was not a reflection at the time of the Ohio electorate, but the using of the pen in such a, or now computer technology programming in such a vicious way is a problem we must confront. So yes, can we get there? The great president Nelson Mandela once said it always seems impossible until it is done. I can think of other things that we have conquered as a nation, albeit maybe not as deep as we need to still have some residuals when I think about racism, anti-blackness, but we have conquered some pretty horrible things in our nation's history,

and I believe that we can conquer this. We have to marry the real lived experience. We have to connect. What does it mean to live in a representative democracy with wages? What does it mean to live in a representative democracy with Roe v. Wade on the line? What does it mean to live in a representative of democracy when you can't even get folks to agree that people deserve paid family leave in this country and healthcare and et cetera, et cetera. So I think our framing and our message for the people who don't do this on the regular basis where this is not their number one assignment in order for us to awaken in them the fierce urgency of now, to quote the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., we have to connect this work to their real lived experience. Is it possible? Absolutely.

Will it be extraordinarily hard? Absolutely. So that's hopeful, but I want to connect that last part to the question of this panel, which is what a coalition looks like. Because when I hear you, Nina, talk about the important issues we've got to get people to recognize. I resonate with those issues. Those are the issues I believe in as well. Every single one of the causes you pushed, I would be pushing right next to you. But if we're talking about a coalition that reaches across to people who don't necessarily share our

politics. Does that strategy work? Is that strategy possible? Do we have to do this as two separate movements or can we do it as one movement? So, Jim, that's the hard question that I want to put to you because you've been in this fight as a Republican. And you've been, I've seen you on the road. I've seen you pushing the issue, but pushing it in a context where it doesn't come natural. So how do you think we do it as a coalition? Is it something we do together? Is it something we do moving separately. It has to be done together. We've got to understand those of us who have different priorities, issues, policy priorities, that there's a bigger issue here. And the issue is our system is failing us. And whether you want bigger government or smaller government or

more subsidies for kids or less, you're going to have to put that aside temporarily to understand that we've got a failing government that's not serving us. And that unites us. And I want to give you, to start, and this is the hopeful stuff, I'm going to give you three examples, two of them extremely recent, where coalition building across, I mean, across the ideological chasm worked. One, very briefly, my own experience, I led something called the Granite State Coalition against Expanded Gamble, mostly in the 90s and the aughts. And for 10 years running, we defeated an organization from Las Vegas that targeted New Hampshire, and they wanted to have gambling casinos in our state. And they hired every lobbyist in New Hampshire. And we defeated

them 10 years running, even though they outspent us radically. And we did so. I led this operation. And we got people into the room to work together who hated each other or thought they hated each other because they had. We got people who are cornerstone policy research, you know, pro-family, pro-life with extremely left religious leaders who didn't think they could even sit in the same room got down and we won because we found a way to work together because there was something bigger that united us. We didn't want these people coming into our state. Two exceptionally recent example, Sam Fieldman, we just talked about this. Sam and I and all of the leaders of all but one of the organizations that are leading the movement to amend the Constitution in three ways. There's

the campaign money corruption amenders like myself for American Promise. In my organization, your organization Wolfpack, the term limits folks, and the fiscal responsibility folks. All of the leaders, the organizations, got together along with Alec, the American Legislative Exchange Council, founded by the Koch brothers. And the Reason Foundation, an extremely conservative libertarian organization, agreed to co-sponsor this operation that happened on Wednesday, Thursday called the Academy of States 2 in San Diego in conjunction with Alex. Alec, and we agreed that we would not oppose one another's amendments, and there's an agreement statement that Mike has that he can stick up on the screen, and we signed on to this agreement,

and we all cordially worked together to have this event, and here's amazing success number three. So we each of the six major proposed amendment clusters, and again, in term limits, campaign, fiscal responsibility, campaign finance, and fiscal responsibility, each pitched six different pitches. And Sam and I, on behalf of American Promise and Wolfpack, pitched a single proposal. And it went up for a vote, a straw poll vote. And the voters were elected state legislators, Alec members. These are conservative Republican legislators. How do you think we did on the Wolfpack American and promise amendment to campaign money in elections. We got 67% of the vote.

Amazing. This happened on Wednesday morning of this week. And it shows what you can do when you, when, and we persuaded folks sitting there, the conservative legislatures, there are problems, there are systemic problems that block both of us. We have differing policy objections, but these systemic problems are so large,

that it is incapacitated our form of government. And we agree on that, for maybe for different reasons, but we agree that we want the same amendment. That's remarkable. This can be done. And I'll get into when we have time for more detail about what it, but it's very important for us who are coalition building to do a few things. And the first we've got to do is step back.

And if we want a coalition, understand there are people with very different ideas, and we've got to figure out where are we coming? Where can we come together? And if we if we thrust things that we know they hate in their face as our leading as our leading lure, whether it be climate change or or justice, criminal justice or what have you, and if we lead with the issue that we know repulses, it's going to be harder. So, Nina, I mean, we've got exactly that difficulty when we think about the movement to get a convention to propose amendments to the Constitution. I support what Jim's talking about. I would go stronger. I would say that both sides,

I think of it as a representational integrity movement and a fiscal integrity movement. And I'm on the representational integrity side. I think that's the most important thing, whether it's money in politics or vote suppression or gerrymandering, whatever it is, that is the issue we need to be pushing, but there are other people out there who think it's fiscal integrity. It's Congress's inability to do what it needs to do. But when you say, look, we need a process that allows both of these to work themselves out, that allows a proposal for a fiscal integrity amendment to be advanced to the state and a representational integrity amendment move to the state. Immediately, you get people Nina on our side who say, hell no, we're not going to have anything. We're not going to have

anything to do with this balanced budget amendment movement. And indeed, some of the most articulate people on our side, Robert Reich, tells us that if we had an Article 5 convention, it would be the end of our Constitution. We would see immediately the right taking over and abolishing everything that makes everything that might be good in the traditions that we have. So when you experience that, because you've been right at the center of that type of conversation, when you experience that what is your strategy for bringing people to see that we need to figure out how to move in a common direction, even if for, as Jim Nice put it, different reasons. Yeah, well, it starts with what centers us, what brings us together is that the system is not

working. I mean, Jim made that point. That's it. The system is not working. Now, we all in the room, whether we are representative integrity or fiscal integrity people, what we do agree on, what brought us together in this room, is that the system is not working. And then we just got to work it out from there and keep that as the foundational point. No matter where else we want to go, like we're not here to talk about the other stuff. We are here to talk about a system that does not work for either sides, for either side. That's it. And that's all. And we just keep weeding out that other stuff. The system doesn't work. The system doesn't work. So even if you want to argue it from a fiscal side, the system doesn't work. If you want to argue it from a representation side,

the system doesn't work. Why are we here together? Because the damn system does not work. So, but let me follow up with that. I mean, you've been on the front line of a diverse electorate in Ohio. And when you tell the diverse electorate in Ohio, the system doesn't work. Does that get them more excited to rise up and do something about it? Or is that just as likely to give them a reason to stay home? Not necessarily because then what does that mean in material terms? And that's why in my opening remarks, you know, I gave example.

of what our side would care about, but I could give examples of what the other side may care about that are willing to come together in a room. You've got to get down where people live. You know why it will not necessarily resonate. I mean, one city in the district that I serve, city of Cleveland, where I live, is the poorest big city in the United States of America. You think they really give a damn about representative integrity or fiscal integrity and democracy and they know the system is not working because they live it every day. But for me to sit down across the table with somebody that's trying to figure out how to pay their rent or pay their car note or get their kids into child care about an amendment to the, you know, to the constitution or getting money out of politics, they think every politician is a damn liar with good reason because guess what? The system doesn't work.

But if I could draw them to the reasons why it doesn't work based on their lived experience, experience and what their expectations are, then and then I could get them to listen. You know, I enjoy Jim's example. I want to give an example, too, of people who totally did not agree. And this was really about life and death in my state at the time. And many of the people joining us this evening probably remember when Tamir Rice was shot on a playground in Cleveland, Ohio, a 12-year-old black boy shot for playing with a toy gun. No questions asked.

Less than two seconds, two seconds, police on the scene. They shoot and kill this little boy, emphasis on little boy. And Governor John Kasich, a Republican, governor and I fought on many, many issues. That is an understatement. But what we understood, governor and I got on the call, governor, he wanted to know what's happening in Cleveland. I said people are mad as hell. This, we got to do something about this. John Crawford III was shot, you know, in another city, all on and on.

It was just this thing swirling. He said, come and see me. I said, Governor, we got some power and we got to do something about it. This ain't about who's Republican, who's Democrat. I'm calling you as a black mama. I'm not calling you as a state as a state senator. I'm calling you as a black mama who is in pain right now. And my heart aches also for Tamir Rice's Samaria Rice right now.

And he said, come and see me. Now two people who did not see eye to eye on anything got together. The governor did not put off this. He called in his team, long story less long, signed an executive order, created a task force on community and police relations, put elected officials in there, preachers, law enforcement was on their business leaders, people from the right, people from the left, young people, seasoned people, all of that. We came together. And you know why we came in that room? Not to talk about who was pro-life or pro-choice, not to talk about who believed in universal health care, who didn't. We were called in that room together to deal with the crisis of community and police relations in the state of Ohio so the state would not explode. And he made yours truly a co-chair, if you can believe that. So that is an example of how when you come into a room centered on why the hell we are in the room and let all that other stuff fall away.

We will live to fight another day on these other issues we don't agree on. But for this purpose, for this moment, for this time, we are in this room for these reasons. So, Jim, I want to make this a little uncomfortable for you. Because, you know, what Nina is aspiring to, the idea of bringing people into the room focused on a common problem, the system is not working, is actually a conversation I think you easily could have had with your fellow Republicans 10 years ago. I think it's a conversation where, you know, the failure of democracy was not a partisan problem. I mean, you know, we had partisan fights about money and politics, but if you said democracy is failing, people would agree that's a problem.

I think one of the challenges you face in your party is that what we see as a bug, they see as a feature. What we see as a failure of a system to bring together people in a representative way, they see as what's necessary to make it possible for them to continue to have relevance in the political process. So when you experience this as a Republican, engaging with Republicans who would openly defend, like, you know, the RNC's lawyer before the Supreme Court, openly defending vote suppression techniques, why? because it makes it easier for Republicans to win. When you in your party are confronting people who believe in the anti-democratic movement, how do you bring them to a place where they recognize that the long-term can't accept

an anti-democratic reality? Coming at a Republican and conservative from that perspective is not going to get anywhere. We've got hardened partisanship in the United States. So again, for the purpose of this warrior workshop, were about getting an amendment to the United States Constitution passed. In short, and Sam and I agreed on this, they would restore to Congress and to the several states

powers to set reasonable limits on campaign money. That's our objective. So how does that conversation comfortably get to conservatives? What are conservatives passionate about? Conservatives, let's start with something conservative. And you've got to start there. Start with something conservatives are really passionate about. And this passion causes that kind of perturbation, Larry, that you're describing that.

When people grasp at any means of power, people are concerned about the loss of reserve currency status of the U.S. dollar. Now, that sounds very abstruse, but if you're a conservative who follows this stuff, you're a small business person, and you're worried about inflation, and you buy imported products to manufacture parts, et cetera, trying to hire people, you are concerned about the real prospect of the United States being forced to buy imports in Chinese currency. This is a conversation that may not happen a lot on the left, but this really concerns people on the right. How does that tie to our issue? I'll lead you there. So why would a conservative be concerned about campaign money?

because the process by which our currency is threatened to collapse and us buying our imports in Chinese currency, which is a serious national security problem, apart from other problems, is because we have a corrupt campaign money system, which is turning free market capitalism, which conservatives love, and I love, I love the free market, because it's getting turned into crony capitalism because you can go to Washington and you spend a buck, and you can buy with that dollar in the form of campaign contributions and lobbying. You can buy regulatory favoritism. You can buy tax breaks.

You can buy contracts. You can buy F-35 airplanes, which fail and suck trillions of dollars out of the world economy. And what that does, it gets Congress on both sides. Forgive me, both sides love the spending. And when the taxpayers start revolting, which they do on the right, the Federal Reserve Board starts printing money. Now, I don't know if you think that sounds conspiratorial or not, but it's happening and people on the right are really worried about it. Now, why is this happening?

Because of the corrupt campaign money system that has turned capitalists into crony capitalists who go to Washington to pervert our economy to help their company prosper. It's structural in the system. And I find, and we found on Wednesday morning, when we took this straw poll vote among conservative, Republican leaders, they see this connection and they see the need to fix the campaign money system. So, Nina, this is coming at this issue, which leads to the same solution from a completely different perspective. And it's very meaningful. And it creates as passionate a response as those that you work with. Yeah, but I mean, I agree with you. It's important. Your victory at Alec is

important. The fact that 67% would have said that at Alec is really important. It's amazing. What number of Republican senators in the United States Senate would say that? That's a bigger problem because there is a severe disconnect between Republican, conservative Republican state legislators and those who rise up to become members of the U.S. Senate. And if you talk with individual state legislators, conservatives and liberals, right and left, there is an extreme distance between the federal government and state government. State government is still close to us. I can knock on the door.

I can call up my state senator, and you probably can in Ohio. I know I can in New Hampshire. And I don't have to give someone a $5,000 or $10,000 contribution to get a voice conversation in the state level. And our state legislators recognize the importance of this proximity to the people. And so there is frustration between conservative Republicans at the state level and those conservative Republicans, Mitch McConnell et al, at the federal level. This is understood in both parties. We can work with this disjuncture between states and federal because our state legislators

feel that Washington is becoming all-powerful. Again, I'm talking from the conservative perspective here. And they're seeing federalism being decimated. They're seeing Washington coming in with big money. They're inserting the viewpoint of Mike Bloomberg. Forgive me for talking on the right. Again, Mike Bloomberg parachutes into our state of New Hampshire in 2018. He surgically, with detailed big data at his money, he flipped our state legislature

from D, from R to D, in one here, one person did this. This frightens and pisses off people on the right. And when it goes in the opposite direction, it pisses off people on the left. I'm going on at length here, but again, it's a commonality. And recognize the distinction in worldview between state legislators and federal legislators. Yeah. And so I think one more tag is my friend Robert Reich is to say, this is exactly why the Article 5 convention was put into the Constitution. It was when the people in the States recognized that

the Congress itself was the problem. We needed a way around Congress to be able to get amendments on the table that might address this kind of problem in Congress. You and I would agree, I think, about that problem. And, you know, let me, let me, I mean, this is a point that I feel embarrassed about as a Democrat, and I want to know whether you do, too. You know, we had an extraordinary opportunity this year. Nancy Pelosi did an extraordinary job, I think, and pushing the For the People Act, which would have addressed a wide range of these issues

in a really effective way. Chuck Schumer took that issue up as well. But what was so terrifying to me was to see the absence of leadership at the presidential level, focusing America on the problem of the problem this democracy, the failure of this democracy, the idea that the president would go in public three times defending the filibuster before he finally came around to saying, well, wait, actually,

a system that guarantees that 20% of America can block everything that's going to happen is not such a great system. So the question is, what do we need on our side to get this kind of leadership? I fear that, you know, we needed Churchill and we've got Chamberlain here at the top, appeasing the anti-democratic movement, not fighting it aggressively. And I just wonder what's what's it going to take to get our side to focus in the way that Jim is saying we need to be focused on this deep corruption that we've got to find a way to solve. Well, we can't be afraid to use power, first of all. I mean, you don't go campaigning the way you did and stoking up fear. You know, what happened Georgia. Georgians came through, you know, securing two Senate seats,

one of which may be in jeopardy in 2022, if I might just dip into that water for a minute. You know, you got to, power is, it doesn't last always. It's finite. And you have to use it when you have it. And so just as we are saying that we must get big money out of politics, if we're ever going to have any nice things or push forward anything that we believe in, the same happens. It's true about the filibuster too. We can't worry about what the other side might do. Let's use. the power while we have it and definitely it was a total being saying it was a misstep is quite being kind it was a weakness to not come out strong and say we must not reform it get rid of it and we know historically that when the filibuster has been used like 99.9% of the time it is used to stand in the way of justice those are the facts and because the democrats have a control and it a

matter how slight it is. They got control. You can't come back to the constituents in 2022 and say, I had all the levers of power, but I didn't have enough. What? That doesn't compute where I come from. It just doesn't compute. You got the power. And even we remember in 2008 when they had even more power, they had more numbers in the Senate than they do right now. There were still excuses being made. So definitely embarrassment, total misstep and a misuse, I might say, of power. Okay. So, you know, On our side, when you talk to people about the idea of a convention, where do you see that possible agreement developing? I mean, do you think we're going to get a party that is open to this idea? Because right now, the most vocal people in our party, you know, Russ Feingold and Rob Reich and many in Congress say it's the worst idea out there. I mean, what is it going to take on our side to get more, people from the Democratic Party and on the left to recognize that we need to find a way around the corruption that blocks real reform in Congress. And this is maybe the only chance we have.

You know, partly things that were like we're doing tonight with the Wolfpack bringing the three of us together and other family and friends members who are here with us and people who will see this later. We've got to have a conversation. We can't run from it and continue to parse out. Dr. Rice, why do you feel this way and others who feel this way? And then we're We're having a family conversation about why we feel the way we feel and let's try to come to some common ground if we can. But we really need and an extension to that because I won't say a butt and we need to continue to raise up a group of everyday citizens who connect the dots to this enough to get a movement afoot, particularly on this particular issue. I don't think it's just about us titled people or us people who are inside this and truly, not truly but understand is part of our. mission. Everybody has a different assignment, but we got to bring more people in on this, more

everyday citizens in on what exactly is happening to block whatever they determine their pursuit to happiness is. We have to explain to them what are the variables blocking that. And this is certainly the number one variable that blocks every other thing that you care about, whether it's climate change or money, monetary policy, whatever it is. What is blocking that is the notion that in this country, politicians can, it is legal, as Unrigue said, to buy and sell politicians in the United States of America, and by and large, they do not answer. The system itself does not answer to the will of the people. It answers to the owner donors. Whether the owner donors are on the left or the right, Republican or Democrat, or somewhere in the middle. The system answers by and large

to the owner donors. And that is a threat to all of us. So, Jim, in the Republican movement or the Republican Party, is the idea of a convention, a winning idea? Do you think most – and I want to accept your separation of Washington from the rest. So most grassroots Republicans, are they fearful of a convention or are they supportive of the idea of a convention? There is a debate going on within both parties as to whether this power put in the Constitution that you here at Wolfpack are working to use. there is fear-mongering in both ideological wings that it's too dangerous to use. And if it's on the left, if it's used, there's going to be a complete gutting of civil rights on the right that they're going to come in there and they're going to take away the Second Amendment.

This is perhaps the most powerful systemic reform tool that people don't know about. the second means of amending the Constitution. Very few people know about it because it's never been used before in the entire history of the United States. I'm not going to try to make this into a finger-pointing exercise, but people on the left, one of the main funders of the left and certain organizations I won't name here, so it's not to inflame things, have warned that if we use this power in the Constitution, there'll be a balanced budget amendment and the government will be cut and slashed and there'll be no social security or welfare

welfare system anymore. And that threat is propounded by big money sources on the left. And on the right, there is organizations like the Fulish Laughley organization and John Birchers, who have very significant sway in some of these rural conservative states, very significant sway

and are dissuading Republicans from at the state level, from being willing to use this tool. So this is a problem on both sides. All of us who work with grassroots folks, remember, grassroots folks don't know the power of this tool in the Constitution, and if they knew this power was there, and it's accessible by contacting our state legislators who are approachable, this is a real ray of hope for both of us. So we both got to work on debunking the anti-systemic reform forces in both our parties.

Yeah, but I want to press you on this. You think, I mean, I agree that most people don't know about it. Yeah. But do you think you start ahead? Do you think you start able to convince more than 50% of legislators, legislators in the states, Republicans, to consider this? or do you think it's a hard fight for on the right right now? It's on both sides. We've seen recisions on the right.

I'm speaking to a language here that we all know here on this call, but we've seen states going backwards on the call for an Article 5 state-led convention, going backward. Big fight in New Jersey right now. I don't know if I don't have a report on what happened in the last couple of days there. There's a fight to remove the New Jersey call, which would wipe out both. it's a call for a fiscal responsibility amendment and a campaign money integrity amendment.

Nina, what do you think it looks like on our side? Do you think it's... On the left? No, no, no. I'm asking Nina now. On our side, Nina, do you think, is this a winnable fight? I mean, do you think that most in the Democratic Party are going to see the usefulness of this as a technique? I'm not sure. I'm having to answer that right now. now today, I'm not sure. I mean, I don't think that we've had the requisite deep conversations that are going to be necessary to pull back more and more layers. That is going to happen, happen. That is going to have to happen first, in my opinion, before we can even move forward on this. I don't even think most in our party are even fixated on this, even if they are inside

and they kind of understand where we're coming from and what we're talking about. We've got to have more family meetings and quickly. I mean, got a whole lot of time. Yeah. I think, Jim, what you just said is really key to this. There is a strong movement on the right and the left that wants to block systematic reform. They want to block it for different reasons. But blocking things in Washington and blocking things in the political sphere is the easiest thing to do. Saying no is the simplest thing. There's a million reasons to say no. And so it's going to take an extraordinary movement to rise up around. that and to convince people that we can't go forward. And that's why, you know, if you look at what's going on in authoritarian Europe right now, like the Czech Republic and in Hungary, Czech Republic just had an extraordinary success where all of these fractionated parties said, look, we're going to put all of our differences aside. And we're going to realize there's one threat. And the one threat

is the threat of authoritarian dictatorship. And that same thing is happening in Hungary right now. I mean, people think Victor Orban is untouchable, but I was just there a month ago. There's an extraordinary movement of people who believe that they can get parties to say, we're going to put everything else aside, and we're going to focus on this one problem. And I just wonder, are you going to invest? Do you think we should be investing right now in a movement that says there's this, there's just like a Cheng said 10 years ago. There's just one problem.

There is just one issue. If we don't get this issue done, we're not going to get anything else done. So we need to get this issue done now. Do you think that is, are you going to invest in that as a plan or as a possibility? Let's start with Jim and then Nina. I don't think, I don't think right now, Kumbaya, call to Kumbaya is going to get there. But I'm going to challenge Wolfpack, Wolfpack folks. You're perceived as being more on the left and on the right.

Understand that on the right, the movement, the thrust of the use of Article 5 is a right. I challenge Wolfpack to understand that because we're fighting people in both to want to discredit use of this tool in the Constitution to bypass Congress to get this fix, because Congress doesn't want to fix this thing, to work with the fiscal responsibility amendment folks because you have a similar joined objective, which is defeat disparagement of this tool in the Constitution. The fiscal responsibility folks think they're at 33. of the 34 necessary states to get there. The argument and the reason that Wolfpack might want to support those folks, those folks might be across the finish line and discredit these people who want

to take the use of this tool out of the hands of state legislatures and the public, because it might get used. It might get used, and we might have a fiscal responsibility amendment, which will pave the way for the next wave of amending, which should very well be, and will likely be a campaign integrity amendment. And I want to also provide solace for people on the left who are worried about fiscal responsibility. As we say, all of us say, it takes 38 states to pass anything. All the delegates at such a convention like this understand there has to be massive public support for any amendment to have any chance of viability. And I know the wiser heads in the fiscal responsibility movement. And there's extremely wise heads, which will craft, and I believe it will come through

an amending convention of the states, a very sober, very acceptable approach in the American dollar and keeping us from buying our imports in Chinese currency. There'll be a sober, very acceptable approach. So I'm challenging Wolfpack, folks. Really stretch yourself, stretch yourself to get to that long-term goal. We've got to work together. Okay, Jim, so I love you, but I'm going to disagree. I'm going to disagree strongly here because the scenario that says we're going to have a convention that is perceived by the world to be a right-wing convention that proposes amendments. I mean, you and I agree that's not what it is, but I'm just telling you what it's perceived to be. You mean, if the subject is fiscal responsibility?

Just fiscal responsibility is a good way to kill the movement for Article 5 conventions. I think what we need to do is to get people on your side to stretch to say, look, okay, we need to have a convention around fiscal responsibility. I'd be willing to say contingent. We need to have a fiscal responsibility convention. We need to have a representational responsibility convention. We need both of those, whether it's the same convention or two, but you can't present to the American people that the right is going to have a chance to amend the Constitution, but the left has to wait and see what happens down the road. That's dead on arrival. If you don't want to wait, then get to 33.

Get the campaign. But you were just saying that the Wolfpack people need to be begging, need to be more understanding of the right. I'm saying the right needs to be more understanding of the Wolfpack people. They need to be more willing to say, yes, we need to have the campaign money amendment part of this conversation too. And I think if you began to see that, we could build the common ground that I think Nina is talking about.

What do you think about this ordering question? I was out at the Salad Convention for three solid, I'll be brief, and let me indicate chime in here. That case can be made to the people on the right, that the amendment that you hear at Wolfpack and American Promise is working on is just as important, and we can persuade people on the right to see it that way, and we both got to work with each other. And yeah, but one of the things we've agreed upon, sort of a rule of the road, you've got to get to 34 on a single subject. There are not a lot of us in the movement who want an open convention where anything can come up

because that plays right into the hands of our opponents. So we've all agreed. And, Mike, you put up our statement of agreement. The amending movement agrees. You got to get to 34 states on a named subject named by 34 state legislatures. And that's our way of so. Okay. So we only have a couple of minutes. Nina, I want to give you the last word on this. Yeah, I think that. You took the words out of my mouth. I was going to say, yeah, we've got to have some understanding on both sides. Some stretching has to happen on both. It cannot be just one side.

You know, Stephen Covey once says, seek first to understand and then to be understood. Really, that is the pinnacle of this complex conversation that we're having, this complex movement. We got to get to the heart of the matter, both for grassroots, everyday people to understand this issue. and then also speaking that kind of language to the elected officials that we need to take action. I do believe ultimately the power is in the people's hands. Some people who are against this are not necessarily against it for nefarious reasons. Let me put that out there too.

Some people are against this for sincere reasons, like a Dr. Robert Rice, who we all know very well and adore in this movement. So I want to say that. Whatever it is, though, we have to get there together and we do have to understand. I'm going to end it the way that I started it, which is the central conno. is that we are all being messed over by a system that is not responsive to the greatest needs of the greatest number of people. Only a few people have the largest voice, have the largest impact, and we must change that if we are truly to be or to continue to call ourselves a representative

democracy. It always seems impossible until it is done. I think that is a timeless message by the one and only President Nelson Mandela when he spoke those words, they are just as true today as they ever were. This has been a great, great conversation. I'm so grateful, Nina and Jim, that you would join us for this conversation. I'm so grateful for Wolfpack, not just for this conversation, but for all the work everybody is doing to keep this issue alive and to make it possible for us to imagine what I think Jim is very hopeful we're going to get to very soon, an agreement to have a convention that considers both the American Promise Wolfpack ideas, but also the ideas that the other sides here are supporting. So Wolfpack, thank you. Our time is up. I imagine we haven't

put Mike to sleep, but if he's not asleep, maybe are you coming back, Mike? Or how would you like to handle this? No, not asleep. There's a little fireworks in there. Always, you know, can be expected with Jim Rubin's on the line. I love it. Love the passion. All three. three of you have just an incredible passion. We're all passionate about this. Yeah, it's amazing. Jeff, one more note of extreme optimism here. I believe if we get to one of these Article 5 Convention of the States to hash out,

hammer out a proposed amendment, whether it be fiscal responsibility, term limits, or campaign integrity, you're going to have legislators from Wyoming and New York state, state level, working together with extraordinary diligence and mutual. respect to come up with something that they believe can get to 38 states. I have extraordinary confidence that that's within the American people. All right. Well, thank you, Jim. We love ending on optimism here. Absolutely. We'll take all you want to throw at us. So yeah, thanks again. Amazing panel, Nina. First time during the Wolfpack Workshop. We hope you'll be back at some point. And we'll see out there.

Any time on the trail. And Larry, of course, ending it right on time as a true professional. Nicely done. And Jim, thank you too, man, of course. So, yeah, you all have a good evening. Feel free to stick around. Jenks going to hop on now and interview a couple of our members. So that should be awesome too.

So do we have Jank on here yet? That's the voice in the background? No, I don't think yet. Well, he's texting me. so he's he's definitely trying he should be on a second let me just take this moment then to just give a couple updates um we are doing really well on the donation drive so if you you can get to these links just by going to our homepage right now uh this the live stream is actually on our homepage as well as our youtube um but our but the donation amount now has um god we're almost at halfway of our goal for

for December which was 10,000 which was a really big goal for us and we're almost halfway there. So people are really stepping up, really appreciate that. Members are also starting to roll in a little bit here. I just want to remind everyone that if you want to be part of the raffle that's going to, that Jink's going to be hosting here at 8 o'clock at the end of the hour, all you have to do is just become a member right now, which is wolf dashpac.com slash go. And everyone who becomes a member in the next hour is going to be automatically entered into that raffle. and Jank will read the names of the new members throughout the next hour as he's interviewing volunteers.

So it should be pretty fun. Hold on, Jank needs an email to him. So, Josh, do you want to do that? Do you want me to? Nope, I can send it. He just wants the new link, the right link, I guess. I'm sorry, for people just to know, we are going to be closing the,

auction spots for the game at 7.30, so in 27 minutes. That's right. So thank you, Steve. That's a good segue, because I wanted to actually just go over the auction really quick because we'll just take a minute to do that. Well, Jank is figuring out his technical difficulties. So let me just go to that. one second share my screen all right so you can get to this page by wolf dashpack.com slash auction 21 and we're already up to over 2000 on this which is awesome this is going to go to the end of December but there are a couple things that are specific to today this is if you want to grab a t-shirt from this workshop with the awesome logo that the communications team made. You can do that. You can get a hoodie. We've got a white Wolfpack hoodie, which is not available on

our website. So that's kind of a rarity. You can grab one of those. We've got a Noam Chomsky signed book, which is pretty cool, actually. He gave this to us to raise money for Wolfpack quite a while ago. I've been hanging onto it for like four years. I guess I can't go to it. He left a really good quote on there. Why can't I get to that? Oh, you're driving nuts here. Okay. Anyway, we've got a time share donated by our awesome volunteer, Anita, who you shot earlier in Washington. Already one bit on that. And then you can play two truths and a lie with Jank. One of them's already been purchased. There's still one more. So opportunity of a lifetime to play a game with Jank coming up here in a little bit. So just one more of those.

some live Zoom meetings, J.R. Jackson, Jank, Larry Lessig, you can bid on those. You can get your own song made for you by Steve G. That's pretty cool. Doug Hughes, he is the mailman who flew his gyrocopter onto the Capitol lawn. He joined us last year for the workshop. He just came out with a brand new book. That's what this is here. Looks like there's already one bid on that. So he signed this. He's going to sign it personally to whoever wins that bid. And then this is pretty simple, just 10 bucks. You can add your own to the game that the two truths and a lie later on. So it doesn't look like.

I think there's maybe one of those that got a bid taken earlier. And then this is super cool. Todd Jagger, who a lot of you know, he used to be, I don't know, Todd, maybe used to a lot. Per photographer, professional photographer. And he donated a couple of his, a little bit of his work here. So pretty cool. Don't see any bids on that yet, but I might see one. for myself, actually, on that one. And Eric donated this sword, which is super cool.

That was a replica of medieval sword. I was actually thinking about Bidna not myself. It's up to 250, so it might be a little rich for my blood, Eric. But it is going to be leaving your household, it appears. And then, yeah, just a self-care basket here. You've got coffee. Todd's blend. he makes his own roast his own coffee beans out there so that seems like a steal actually 17 bucks on that one and then Armando got a local business to donate a couple of shirts here that's what you're looking at here is any more I can't for whatever reason but yeah you get the idea so that's that's our auction that's that's currently going it's going to go throughout the end of the month and we're already getting pretty close to halfway on our goal there so thanks

everyone who has stepped up and donated so far. Hey Mike. Hey. How are you doing? What's going on, man? How are you doing? As usual, of course, being the tech giant that I am, I couldn't figure out how to get on the Zoom call for quite some time. And then I did something genius. I looked at the document you sent me, and the link was there. Yeah, right at the top, actually, wasn't it? pretty nice talking about you say so myself I'm just saying you know well I mean look

what do you want you want me to start online media network or something I'm not that text after all these years huh yeah 100% anyway thanks for thanks for being here

no of course first of all representing okay nice you got a plug you got to fly the colors okay Okay. I'm not playing. Okay. I'm Wolfpacked through and through. All right.

All right. Mike, you want to tell folks what we're doing right now? I would love to. So this should be pretty fun. We've been going since 11 a.m. here, Jank. We've had a really good day so far. Got introduced to all kinds of volunteers, some new, some old school. Throughout the day, we did a really long, in-depth. training that went most of the day, which is going, which is really centered around just organizing for power, which is what we're, you know, as you know, we're going to shift our focus to try to build more power in the communities in the states. Moving forward, so that's been, that's been great. And then obviously we just had the legends, the Godfather on here,

Lesig, and Nina Turner and Jim Rubens, which was great. And now we are going to be doing membership drive so we we're going to try to get uh 250 more members we've actually already gotten a couple so those should be in your document there jank i'm going to add them as they come in so you can read all the new member names and um yeah we're going to see what we can do we're going to let you interview some of our members here some of their stories these members also uh happen to volunteer their time but uh have been contributing for you know a long time as well they do they do They do both. So we just wanted to highlight some of those people and just kind of let you talk to them.

And then after, we're going to do that for an hour. And then at 8 o'clock Eastern, we're going to have a membership raffle, which is we're going to, we're going to raffle off wolfpack merchandise. So hoodies, t-shirts, face masks, notebooks, those kinds of things that we have on our merch page. And there are members, there are some members who have already opted into this raffle. There's about 180 people, and then there are every single new member that we get tonight is going to automatically be added to that raffle. So that'll be fun. It's like an electronic virtual spinning wheel where all of our members are going to go into it

and then it'll land on someone and we're going to have winners. We've done it before in some of our membership meeting. So by the way, if you are a member right now and you're not in the raffle, if you didn't opt into it through one of the forms in the past, just email me directly and I'll make sure that you're added in there. the next hour so my email is mike at wolf dashback.com and i'll make sure you're i'll make sure you're in there so uh yeah that's it and then you're going to play a game chank i guess two truth and a lie with a couple people and and then then then you're going to probably take off

and steve g's going to lead some more game so he still gets a lot of fun coming here sounds good so uh i've been checking out the chat love the chat uh first of all uh Little Mac McGee, I never knew your name was Chris McGowan. Okay, so now I know it's Chris. Okay. So that mystery solved. And you say you're not sure that you thought you were a WIPAC member, but you're not positive.

Joan put in there, Bunker Joan did that sometimes credit cards run out. That happens all the time. Just sign up again. See what happens. Okay. And then that way, hey, we're going more towards our goal. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Okay.

And most of the time the credit cards run out. So you can double check that, by the way. If you're signed up twice, we'll make sure to cancel it. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to. Or just, yeah, if you want to. Of course.

Yeah, we won't. So, and you can sign up at wolf dash pack.com slash go, wolf dash pack.com slash go. And then I wanted to say one other thing about the chat because I love the chat. Oh, about the, oh, somebody mentioned the coffee. I like Todd's blend. How about too strong, too strong COVID gives money to Wolfpack? Did you guys know that? Okay.

But I am drinking my coffee in the Wolfpack mark. Okay. I got the water in the phone. So and one last thing. Oh, the bids on the auctions. So I just checked because somebody in the chat was saying, oh, I really want to talk to J.R. Okay. That's good.

That bids are 300. I'm at 300. Lessing is at 300. Can I see 400? I don't want Jared to have bragging rights over me, okay? Let's, or put 400 on him. So you go, believe me, he will. I don't know about Lessing.

I don't know that Lessing's a big braggard. Look, oh, what? I'm one of the smartest guys in the country. What now? Could you imagine me that that's true? It's totally true. I'm now amused at my own idea of all the people who are amazing at things bragging kind of like I would if I was them like Nina Turner like

oh I'm one of the best speakers in the country what are you going to do all right listen guys I want to tell you a couple things about me and then I want to mainly talk to Armando Anita and Bill okay so as you I think almost all know that you know I started Wolfpack almost exactly 10 years ago now just a little past 10 years And if I say this, I think every time, and it's exceedingly true. And if we do everything else right, but Wolfpack doesn't win, then we did not succeed. Okay. If we do everything else wrong, but Wolfpack succeeds, we were totally fine, mission accomplished.

Okay. So if we do not get an amendment to do election reform and to get big money out of politics, the corruption will go on unabated and the corruption right. I'm going to get serious for a second, okay? And the corruption right now is absolutely strangling our, not just our government, but our country at this point. And I had Joe Walsh on yesterday. You guys can see it a Monday on the conversation. So he used to be the most extreme right winger, a Tea Party Republican from about 10 years ago. Now he's left a Republican Party because he thinks they've just gone way overboard.

Now, look, we need Republicans. This is a nonpartisan group. I want way more right wingers in Walthpack because we've got to do this together. We cannot do it by ourselves. And we can't let them divide us. Okay, but there's one thing we agree on, Joe Walsh, myself, and everyone who's looking at this in an objective way, right? We have no hope now because no matter what happens, whether it's Republicans or Democrats, they always find, oh, an obstacle. We were going to do $15 minimum wage.

We were going to give you a higher, which is up but mansion and cinema, but filibuster, but parliamentarian, but, but, but, but, but guys, Democrats then say, give me two more senators and then we won't have to worry about mentioning cinema. I'm here to tell you that's nothing but a lie, okay? So, and I think most of you know that because if they got two more senators, then magically two new senators would pop up who were conservative or moderate

because they work for their donors. Their donors don't want you to have higher wages. They don't want you to have health care. They don't want you to have lower drug prices. So all those things where there's billions of dollars on the line, none of them will pass. I have said this for a decade now that since we've been doing Wolfpack. And unfortunately, I've been proven exactly right. The only thing that ever passes are things that the Chamber of Commerce has pre-approved.

Like all the COVID relief bills, the great majority of them went to business interests. So the corporate donors allowed those. And then, oh, wow, they passed an infrastructure bill. why it's just filled to the rim with corporate pork then they turn around to pass something for actual americans nope we're out of money uh inflation mansion mansion squirrel cinema uh parliamentarian okay so the underlying cause is zamani lobowski and i'll tell you i'm look i went from furious like curious about the mainstream media like why don't they ever say things that are correct to furious with the mainstream media to now having given up on the mainstream media

the mainstream media cable news etc is both for the right wing and the left wing they are here to destroy us they are in the protection status quo protection racket they love corporate Democrats. That's their favorite thing in the world. And corporate Republicans are the second favorite thing in the world. And so they will do nonstop propaganda to keep money in politics. So there's a lot we have to overcome. And lately, the number one thing we've had to overcome is the Democratic Party. Okay. But we must overcome all of these things. Otherwise, anyone. We will not have a real democracy. So all of you that are here right now, you're the best of the best because you're the ones who get it. Like you are patriots in the true sense of the word

and we can't do it without you. So there's a thousand ways to get involved. Yes, membership keeps us alive, you know, barely sustainable. But it's all the difference in the world. Wolf-dashpack.com slash go, right? And but also please, please, volunteer because if you're right-wing calling your Republican legislators are going to be incredibly effective because they're scared of you. And look, in some ways, don't make it physical and ever, ever, ever. I don't like it in some ways when it gets too scary, right? But when you're just putting on political pressure, I love that. And I don't care if you're right-winging. In fact, on this issue of election reform, I want you to put on pressure, right? And so, and by the way, the right-wing and the

if we have different opinions on what pressure means and what election reform means. That's what conventions are for. That's exactly what the founding fathers thought we should get together as a country and we should get rid of having to ask permission of politicians in Washington and do a convention where we hash it out. That's why it's in the United States Constitution. All right. And why am I in the fight?

Because otherwise, what am I doing? Okay, I tell you guys every day the stories, oh, we're screwed. we're screwed, we're screwed. Well, I got to give you a way out, and I've got to get a way out for me because I'm an American, and I want my democracy back. And I'm a fighter, so I'm never going to go on my couch and go, oh, well, I guess we lost democracy, nothing I could do. I'm just going to, you know, sit here and do nothing.

No, I'm going to fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, until we get it back. Okay. So, look, oh, and I'll say one more thing before I go to that. armando um so does this does this still matter today okay it matters more than ever more than ever more than ever more than ever because uh you can see it with your own eyes now you know Republicans were in charge what do they do the tax cuts for the rich is the only thing they passed right then Democrats come in charge. And Democrats, Republicans promised to do, in my opinion, nonsense, right?

Build a wall, whatever, right? They didn't even do that. Oh, we'll end abortion. They didn't do that. They never do anything, right? And then the Democrats come in, and they actually promise a lot of things. Or, oh, we're going to do this. We're going to do that for you guys.

I'm going to protect you. We're going to protect voting rights. We're going to protect women. We're going to protect this. We're going to do police reform. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. Because they checked with their donors. and they promised them that nothing would fundamentally change.

So Wolfpack is not only as relevant today as it has ever been, but even more so. And one super last thing about that, all the excuses that everybody has always had about, oh, no, it's okay, Jake, and I literally had this meeting. I think probably about five years ago with another nonsense group that's pretending to be left wing in Washington. And they said, no, no, no.

I said, what's your plan? Our plan is an amendment. and you know an amendment can't happen unless you have a convention. So that makes sense. That's logical. That's the most logical. And out of a lot of tough choices, that's actually the easiest. What's your plan?

He said, oh, wait for the Supreme Court. Here, I don't mind tell you who it is. It was the president of common cause. He said, we're going to wait for the Supreme Court. Well, I think we call that oops in the business. Well, Miles Rappaport was his name at the time. Miles, how's it going for you? Now Supreme Court's 6.3 right wing loves money in politics, hates election reform of any sort, and will protect the status quo at all costs, and will legalize bribery. They'll call corporations human beings with not only all of our rights, but some extra rights layered on top. So the Supreme Court strategy to get money out of politics is dead, dead, dead. You would literally have to wait three to four decades for that to work.

And so, of course, anyone who suggests that is, at this point, an obvious liar. Before they were apathetic, didn't actually want to do anything. They were giving that as an excuse to lose. Now that excuse has been taken away from them. So right now, if somebody says, no, I don't think we want, I don't think we need an amendment. I don't think we need a convention for it. Basically, what they're saying is, I don't want change. I love Citizens United.

and 99 out of 100 times they work in Washington and in reality, they love the corruption. So I know the right wing hates the corruption. It's the best trait about the right wing, so I can't wait for that, more of them to join us, no matter how much I disagree with them on everything else, and no matter how much they disagree with me on everything else. All right, so I think I'm ready for Armando.

So, since I am not sure where he's going to appear, is he? Armando should be able to put his video and audio on now. He's coming to the jungle, apparently. Okay, I'm trying to see what page is. Oh, there you are. Hey. Yeah. All right.

Armando, how do I say your last name? Is it Cardenas? There you go. Oh, that's the white person, Cardenas, Spanish. Cardenas? Yeah. Okay. Oh, good, though.

Yeah, I'm not white, but I do speak like a white. True. I'm a brown of a different sort. Yeah, what you talk was? It's all good. Yeah. Is that a real Christmas tree behind you? No, no, that's a bad.

I was going to say, like, I'm slightly scared that something's going to pop out of that tree. and grab you. And do people call you Mando? Yeah, yeah. Mando's happened. Okay, man. All right. As in Mandelarian, obviously. Exactly. We were watching Mandalorian last night with the kids. All right. So Mando, how'd you have known Wolfpack? That's a loaded question, man. There's so many, so many other, like everybody's been saying here, so many other issues. So many other issues. issues that you that I care about, you know, inequality, the environment, education, you know, pay, wages, minorities getting treated in factories, whatever, women's rights, all kinds of stuff. And it seems like it kind of overwhelm, you know, just don't know where to volunteer or give money to or do this, but at the end of the day, it has to be one thing that ties it all together and that's, you know, money.

in politics. So why am I going to, quote, unquote, waste my time or efforts and sweat doing something when I can lay the foundation over here and maybe everything else can get fixed while this is done? I think if we get this done, the dominoes would kind of, you know, it's a snowball effect. The dominoes will fall in place and everything else will get fixed. But I don't even remember when I joined has been so long that it feels like a like a long tired fight but when you see states getting past little by little and then stuff like this when you have people come to their workshop and even like I would say three or four years ago so I live in Iowa and every year or every four years it's a it's a circus with the presidential candidate

here coming, promising the moon and the stars, but nothing really happens. But even like three or four years ago, nobody was really talking about campaigning for them, money and politics. The media was never talking about that. Nothing that was discussed about this is more about other issues. But more and more, when you see on television, money and politics is a big issue. And that's what gives me hope and that's, and that's what. why I stay because the people like everybody on here and you see like the waves coming

a little by little might be there may be way out there in the horizon but it's it's coming you know there hasn't been like that in a long time i remember coming uh going to political events here in iowa for um george bush and bill clinton and stuff and no money in pocket discussion was even a topic but now you know since burney and even even even even a o c came to iowa the last campaign election, and she sold out. A person from New York came to Iowa who is not even running for office. She was so, it was so popular when we went to me and get in, and the people were, and I would wear my wolf hat hoodie or hat, and they were all like,

Wolfpack, but it's a thing. That's why I'm still in it, I guess, you know. I think it's going to be something that's, and, on the horizon, like I said. Yeah. So, two things. First of all, a five-minute warning for the two truce and a lie auction bids. There are apparently two lies remaining. I'm not sure what that means, but I know that it's important. Wolf-dash-pack.com slash auction 21. I figured out why, because 2021, I get it, wolf-dash-pack.com, auction 21, all day long, okay? Um, so, uh, and, and by the way, an hour long chat with me for better or for worse if you want. It's also an auction. Um, so, uh, Mando, to you, to your point, um, yes, you know, this time around, uh, I even considered an endorsing Elizabeth Warren instead of Bernie Sanders, which to a lot of progressives was, um, a sacrilege. And, uh, and, uh, and, and, and, and,

And the reason I consider that very seriously is because Elizabeth Warren was talking about corruption nonstop on the campaign trail, right? And so I always say Bernie Sanders isn't my uncle, right? Like, I love Bernie. I generally agree with him. But I don't know anything. And if he's not trying to get money out of politics, okay. look if I

if God came down and said this Republican I don't even want to hear names but random plastic Republican is going to do normal Republican things but is going to get an amendment politics I would vote for that person

how do they how do you say that so the team and I here in Iowa one of my good he's our legislative director and his West shout out to West I remember four or five, before COVID, I don't even remember how long it's been, what four years. We met Tulsi Gabbard in person and we met Andy Yang in person.

And they were like way, way below one percent of popularity when they were running here in Iowa. They were just like testing the waters kind of. And the first thing we talked to them about when we sat with them and we met them and took questions with them. and we talked to them about money and politics. And Andrew Yang was all about campaign reform, money and politics was corruption, Tulsi Gabbard was saying, yes. You know, she even came to one of our rallies and one of our Wolfpack events. And she gave us a shout out and she talked about money and politics.

And we were all like, oh, this is awesome. We even made sure that they signed the petition to call for a convention in our state. And then four years later, money bought them. They don't even talk about money about it's true that money buys corruption. And then now, if you ask either one of them about the Wolfpack resolution, they would be like, what is we talking about? I remember that. What does that mean?

It's disheartening, but people need to realize that when you talk to these people, how I'm accountable, you know, why are you going to vote for them if they can tell you one thing and then they change your mind years later. But, like you said, if it was a Republican coming in in Iowa and they talk about we're going to go ahead, I'm going to run for president. I'm going to take him, and the first thing I'm doing is overturning Citizens United or whatever with Cutchins or put an amendment to taking money in politics. I'd be like, you know what? maybe this is the way to do it because things like both parties are

hot air every every cycle yeah Amanda if a Republican came in and said it and I meant and I thought they meant it and that's yeah because I've seen Republicans say

drain the swamp and then fill the swamp but if I thought they meant it I would say this is the way So, and yes, I remember when Tulsi was against money in politics. But I will, look, I'm always fair. I think Tulsi right now has gotten totally right wing and I've got no interest in her. But her dad was fantastic in helping us in Hawaii. And he was a state legislator there that was one of the diehards on getting money out of politics.

So shout out to the elder Mr. Gabbard, who was. was a hero in Hawaii. Okay, Sam made a good point in the chat. If you buy the hour-long chat with me in the auction, it'll probably turn it into two hours. Okay, Mando, give me some of your highlights. Oh, by the way, not only wolf dashback.com slash auction 21 for the auction, but wolf dash pack.com slash go for signing up for membership,

which is absolutely critical. We just need 250 more members, and that's definitely doable. Okay, Mando. Highlights from when, from Wolfpack. Like, do you remember any particular, and it doesn't have to be a legislative fight? It could just be beers that you guys had that were you bond, et cetera, anything along those lines.

Yeah, I have a bunch. There's so many. Like going to the workshop, the first workshop over, that was pretty awesome. All of them have been last, and you get to meet all these kinds of people, and you finally meet them in person instead of email. I remember another time,

So we have action days in Iowa. We have, everybody doesn't know what that means. We have, we have to go to the Capitol. Lobby our state legislators to push for this amendment, to call for a convention, all this stuff. And I remember Wes and I went, we had a schedule to go to the Capitol and it was freezing rain in Iowa.

And we were like, should we go? And we were like, yeah, screw it. We went and we took us like three or four hours to get to the Capitol. And we were the only ones there. as far as, like, uh, lobbyists or people. And, uh, so we talked to everybody and everybody that talked to were like, oh, you guys came in this weather and like, yeah, so, yeah, so sign up.

Look, look how dedicated we are. Then we had beers afterwards. That was pretty awesome. It was just a nice bonding experience between him and I, um, meeting, uh, getting some of the legislators, the city capital to be in my fantasy football league. That's kind of cool, you know, I got a couple of people on there. Uh, one of them is no longer state legislator. you got state legislators in your fantasy football league yeah yeah i got one his name is

his name is he's no longer one uh he was the first one to give us our uh to be the sponsor he's some he's a he's a character man he's a dj and something else and then he became uh i invited him to our fantasy football league he's like hell yeah was like but he was in our league my state legislator in in town or that represent me um is a farmer and uh i have on myself when we text and we tell each other, like Happy Thanksgiving, you know, all this stuff. So, you know,

developing the relationship, you don't think you're going to do it, but you actually, these are people, you know, farmers, doctors, whatever they do. So that's kind of cool. Getting to know all these other organizations

that you collaborate with because we go to all these events and then you meet other people that are other events for either environmental events or minimum, wage events and you kind of network with them and you get to meet them and they kind of work together that's always awesome you know those are just some of the few highlights just so many

so many like I don't even think I would be involved in politics as much as I would be but you know I drive my wife with me and like you know we're marching along running we're meeting them or taking pictures or meeting with these like the future governor of Iowa because they're kind of smooches and we're having beers with like governor candidates and at the university you know you find yourself in places that you don't even realize you would be at just because you're involved in politics, it's just kind of, it just kind of rules. You just go with it. And next thing you know, you're at somebody's house or fundraise and talking about money

and politics and like, how the hell did I get here? Weird. It's just a lot of memories like that so far. Hopefully, more to come. Yeah, absolutely. Like when we pass Iowa, it's going to be awesome. But, Mando, I'm going to repeat some of those stories because I love that. love that you've got some of those legislators that you text with, but the fantasy football

story, that one takes the cake. I'm not joking. I'm going to tell that story a lot. Okay. Yeah, he's a weird guy. One time, I'll tell you a story. This is out of the blue. One time, I would text him, and I would say, how's he going? Just to keep touch, kind of keep him to how he's doing. He went to Washington, D.C., and he told me he was going to go out of town because we were going to go see him. And then out of nowhere, in the middle of a day he sent me a picture of um of like a steak or no no it was a salad it was a salad and tomatoes and everything he just sent no no context you just send me the picture and i'm like what do i do with this i don't know what what's this and i showed my wife and she's like

what i don't know so then i replied back that's not what a wolf eat you know and then he takes me back and he sends me back later on about a half hour and he said changed my mind and he got out of the old steak. And he's like, there you go. Like, there you go. That's a wolf. He's like, he was, it's just funny stuff like that. He's just a weird guy.

So I was like, you need to be in my fantasy football. And he's like, okay, I'll be in it. So he's still in it. That's amazing. Okay. Last two things here real quick, because I got to go to the next folks. So, uh, what do you do in real life, Mando? I work for a university and I'm a financial counselor.

Okay. All right. That's awesome. I love it. And shoot, what was I going to ask about the legislator? Has he ever won the league? No, because I told him the, he quit. He was about to fit because I told him the last place punishment.

You either have to get your frosted tips, do the combine, or go trick-or-treating in March. And he didn't want to do any of those. So I said, he better step up, man. So he's trying out to be the last place. That's the last place punishment. You've got to choose between the optimal three things. Okay, that's amazing. I like how you're not sparing anyone.

Oh, no. You're a state legislator? No, I don't care. I get your ass trick-or-treating in March. Let's see how that works out. If you're going to get last place, you better show up with your tips frosted, or we're going to record you to do the combine or something.

Yeah, somebody asks if Wolfpack, how about Wolfpack members running for office? That's happened before, and they've won. So some have lost, of course, but a couple of them have won. So that's awesome, man. And there are a couple of Wolfpack members right now in state legislatures across the country.

And hopefully there'll be a lot more going forward. And Sarah had a good point. Oh, yeah. Eric, I had to mention, too. He says that I forgot to mention Wolfpack karaoke nights. Yeah, was it legendary. That does sound good. Do not start singing right now. No, I don't. I watch.

Okay. Okay, Mando, you're awesome. This is the way. Thank you. Anytime, man. All right. Love it. By the way, so my schedule's insane. But every time I come on talk to you guys, I love it, I love it, I love it. I didn't know those stories for Mando. I love those stories from Mando. I'm going to repeat those as if they're mine, okay? And I love that he lives in a forest. It's either the biggest force in the world or he's the smallest man in the world and just like it's trick photography. But anyways, all right. We're going to go to Anita Schumacher next. Can I get an Anita up in here? What did Sarah say that I wanted to respond to? Hello.

Hey, Anita. How you doing? Hey, Jank. How are you? I'm rock and roll, sister. Nice. Schumacher, I assume race car driver lineage? No.

No, unfortunately not. And not related to Michael Schumacher from Germany? My husband's family is originally from Germany, but I don't know their relations on that side. Okay. But it is Schumacher, correct. I don't know anything about race car driving either, but one of my best friends loves it and I because of that Michael Schumacher was the best driver in the world for a long time that's the reference okay so Anita what brought you to Wolfpack and and what made you want to

actually get involved and do something um well I have to preface it with that I'm Polly Emeris and I have two partners so I also have a girlfriend wife um and she found out about that Wolfpack was in Washington State several years ago and said, there's this committee meeting. We got to go. We got to go to the committee hearing. And we got to support it. And I went and I just, I talked to leadership. I talked to a lot of people.

And I had been looking for a new organization to volunteer with. And so I thought I'd learn more. And so I just signed on to learn more and eventually I got called back and we went through the trainings and I learned the theory of change and the process by which you had laid forth. And I thought, oh, wow, this could bring back hope to people. prior to Wolfpack, I was, I was really big on feeding the homeless, getting education to children, mental health awareness, and voting rights. And you tickled my voting rights fanny bone in just the right way. And I just, I was excited again. and I hadn't been excited for a while. I also have PTSD and I was very scared for a long time.

And living with my family and just having them support me, I can't work anymore. So I put a lot of hours in the wolf pack. I love it. I love the people that I've met here. And some of the smartest, most tenacious people, who and the senses of humors. got to love it.

Anita, I love every part of that story. I'm going to do a couple of things here and then I ask you more questions. First, I want to read new members that just joined. Yes. Okay, that's part of the point. And I love it. So Sparkle Amity just joined. Now we're sparkling.

So that's we're done. We're good. Okay, you can't, like, you can't lose if you're sparkling. I love it. Sparkle Amity. Michael Corn Joyce Butts Stanley Monroe

Stanley you're awesome thank you Kathleen Jacobs Malina Kia I'll stop there I've got more coming up in a little bit I love every new member

Wolf dashpack.com slash go wolf dash pack dot com slash go pack is PAC okay and Sam reminded me

that one of his highlights was when conservative Republican operator John Putner was singing karaoke in a gay bar in Utah with Wolfpack members. Okay. So anything is possible. And my ideal, Anita, I want to bring the country together through Wolfpack, right? So there's a lot of division. And honestly, and unfortunately, I participate in some of that division because the two sides battle and I'm one of the battlers, right? And I'm in the fight. but at the same time

I would love to work with the right wing to end the corruption that would nothing would make me happier and nothing would be more important then we can go back to fighting on all the other stuff right so Anita you know you mentioned like you're working on the homeless issue

etc and now you're working on this see Lessig's right it's not that the homelessness issue is not as important it's that unless we solve this first we can't ever say of the homelessness issue. Like in California, Democrats control everything. They have super majorities. Theoretically, they care about the homeless. And you know what's happening in California? Homelessness has exploded. And why has it exploded? Because Democrats take

money from real estate interests, some of the biggest owners in California. And real estate guys, they don't make as much money if they build affordable housing. They make a lot more money if they build high-end housing and sell to guys who live in Saudi Arabia and China and Russia. and are laundering their money, okay? So they buy the Democrats, the Democrats are just as corrupt, and they do nothing about homelessness. Until you get the money out, you can't solve any of those issues. So I think you're absolutely right, Anita.

And so let me ask a little bit more about it. You mentioned you at PTSD. I don't know if you feel comfortable talking about it. Oh, absolutely. Okay. And so tell us, you know, how'd you get it? What happened? Well, I grew up in Southern California, around L.A., Orange County, Riverside County.

We moved around a lot, and I just lived in some very, very violent neighborhoods. And then a lot of drugs were around in my family and my home. My dad could not make ends meet, so he turned to selling marijuana. He got arrested for that, ruined his career. We lived very poor, but then we moved and I thought I started getting friends, but by then I had already suffered a lot of mental issues, so they were not very nice, and I ended up being drugged and raped when I was 14. So that kind of kicked off the PTSD, and I've had it since I was about 15 years old. And so I spent some time being homeless. I suffer with mental illness.

I am a mom and a wife, and I am fortunate enough to have some college education. I got doors were open for me because I was a pretty blonde-haired, blue-eyed white girl. And my friends who were not white got left behind. And I actually live a very comfortable life. now. I'm a membership here. I paid my monthly membership because I believe in supporting Wolfpack. And then I'm a state leader here in Washington State. I actually live in near downtown Seattle. So I live in a very nice neighborhood that's semi-diverse now. And I want everybody to be able to achieve what I have achieved.

And I didn't do it alone. I got a lot of luck. There was a lot of luck in my life. Just, it was nothing that I did. It was just somebody who helped to be able to open the door at the right time, the right moment for me. And I was able to walk through it.

Anita, we love you. And so I love that you're here and that you care enough about everyone else to fight for them. And so you're the best of us. And thank you for doing that. How long have you been with Wolfbeck? About three years, almost three years. Okay, great.

Yep. I actually, we met at the Dallas Workshop. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And so I love it. I remember when we used to meet in the real world, right? Mm-hmm. And, you know, you mentioned Riverside.

My family went there for Christmas two years ago. Oh, cool. Yeah, yeah. You know that big hotel, would they do that giant, I don't know how long it's been since you've been there, but. The Mission Inn? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Rivers to downtown Riverside, the old mission,

where they do the lights and the Christmas stuff. Yeah, that's right. Yep, I heard it's haunted as well. So, yes, I love that area. Yeah, if I knew that, I would. told the kids a whole bunch of scary stories which i already did anyway but yeah um so thank you for putting your time effort and and heart into this uh we appreciate it um so give me some highlights from wolf pack uh that where you you know whatever it might be whether it was fun or fulfilling

etc um yeah i um last the last session we were actually able to go to the capital um in Olympia. I live about two hours away, a two hour drive from the Capitol. But our legislative director at the time, Cassidy, was living even further away. And we would carpool. We would meet up. We would carpool down. We'd do our meetings. I'd take notes and support and support her. and then we would, at the end of the day, we would drive home and we would listen to the young turps. Two-hour drives, sometimes three-hour drives. We're listening to the young Turks, and then sometimes we'd be so late that we'd have to hop on meetings, like conference calls with our national coordinator or other volunteers and just debrief and talk about what would happen.

and we got to be pretty close she's a good she's a good friend and um yeah i miss that i miss being able to go down to the capital um it's a long slog but it's worth it yeah well look one of my favorite memories is uh is in olympia is in the capital in Washington uh where we went And it was one of the best lines, not only in my history at Wolfback, but probably in my career when one of the legislators said, basically, like, I give in, you guys, you know, have shown how much you care about this and how strong you are. and so I submit to the will of the people and he changed his vote in our favor

so that we can get out of committee. Yeah, that was there. Yeah, that was a beautiful moment, Anita. It was. Beautiful moments. Beautiful. And you made that happen, right? So everybody chips in, and of course there were other people,

but you were a big part of that. And so I love it. We got to keep going. And guys, a lot of you that are in Wolfpack, Like, you know, it's, yeah, it was Bob Hasagawa. And I think he later voted a guest, okay, but that's what I was going to get to, which is the tough times, right? And it's hard not to get discouraged when, you know, you're not putting up a ton of wins on a consistent basis. Of course, right?

That's humanity. It's normal, right? At the same time, I was just having, of course, I'm. I'm overtogging here, and I probably have to go to the next person. But one more thing. I was talking to a candidate this morning. I had a breakfast with a candidate who's running here in California for a U.S. congressional seat. First, I told him, look, if you're not interested in getting money out of politics, I'm not interested in you.

So this could be a quick breakfast. Toast. Yeah. But I said, look, it's on our side. long, hard slog, but if we're not in the fight, we're not going to win. And even if you get in there and you don't get money out of politics, you're not going to win on any of these issues. Okay. So we don't have a choice. We've got to fight. And I have a lot of hope. And, you know, let's do another interview, let's do the game. And then at the end, I'll tell you why I still have tremendous hope. And every new legislator or potential legislator that I talk to, I tell him this is the issue, right? And I explained him how we lost a $15 minimum wage fight recently in Congress. And that was supposed to be a layup. It was the number one promise of progressives. Number one, as in not the most important.

but the easiest, the easiest. And we lost instantly without a fight. That's because eight Democratic senators were like, no, no, I take money from corporations. They don't want higher wages. That would reduce their profits. No, of course I'm corrupt. Then every Republican voted against higher wages. So you can't even get layups unless Anita's working in Washington. You're working wherever you are, and Mando's in Iowa. And we're all fighting out here. We're all doing our party. and you know and and and at the end of the day together we i swear we're going to win and so Anita i love that you stayed in the fight thank you so much appreciate it okay i say one more thing of course yeah it's i just want to plug my donation that's in the auction oh yeah i saw that

i knew it's for getting destination vacation um yeah that's my time share it's i exchange points for various places around the country and I'll throw in there if whoever wins it if you pick Seattle which there is this downtown Seattle location I will personally be your tour guide for a full day all right look at that okay so and it's the link is in the chat so wolf dash pack com slash auction 21 if you need the link or you can just type it out and that's a vacation But that's amazing. Look at how generous he does. Right. And so thank you for doing that as well. Everybody go check that out. Speaking of which, so I'm going to bring in the next person here, Bill, Bill Spots. But Anita, you're the best. Thank you. And as I'm bringing Bill in, I just want to read new members. Okay. So Joel Kraft, Christopher McGowan. There he is again. Okay, a little MacG. Brenda Runabom. So I'll read more in a second.

You can become a member, and it's essential that you guys are members. That's how we stay afloat. And no question, look, there's tough times all around. There's tough times at Wolfpack. But if we have enough members, we get through the hard times. TYT bottomed out at least a dozen times. We're this close to going out of business, this close. And then we pick back up, and it's always the members, always the members.

You carried us at TYT, you've carried us at Wolfpack for 10 years, and we cannot win without Wolfpack. We need Wolfpack. We needed desperately. We needed no questions asked. So please participate, wolf-dashpack.com slash go. And as Anita told you, Amanda told you, look, it's some of the most fulfilling things. and you get to meet friends and have these incredible bonds

and sometimes get state legislators in your fantasy football. Okay, Bill. So, Jank, just for the record. I know we have four minutes, technically. You can take longer with Bill. We have the auction coming up for the 30 minutes at 8, but you can go into that a little bit, just so you know. Yeah, I figured.

And I figured that you figured that I'm never going to do anything on time. Steve G is not going to be happy about this. Okay. All right. Steve, you're going to be all right. We'll make it work. Everybody's got nice backgrounds. All right. Bill. Except for me, no background. That's true.

Tell us how you got in a Wolfpack, why you got in a Wolfpack. Okay, so I checked my email archives, and I became a TYT member October 3, 2008, which means when Citizens United hit and then Wolfpack became a thing. You know, I'd been listening before 2008. You had convinced me completely that you could predict any political issue by determining which side had the most money. And that's, you know, that's not what our country is supposed to be. I have, I took my Wolfpack email archive and Thanksgiving Day was my 10 year anniversary. I signed up about a month after it started. Sam and Todd hold that over my head.

And, you know, I care about all political issues. I'm an engineer by training, so I'd like to look at, you know, the fundamental problems of stuff. So attacking money in politics was kind of a way of attacking all. issues that appeal to me. If I had to pick one issue, it would be climate change because I did my postdoc at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder. A postdoc is after you get a PhD, it's like a scientific apprenticeship, right? So my area was modeling and simulation. I was not a climate scientist, but I was working with climate scientists and I knew what they were talking about, what issues they were debating as, you know, being on the cutting edge of the science,

global warming was nowhere near, you know, a controversial issue, right? I saw it, and I saw how it was portrayed in the media and how the right wing talked about it, how, you know, nothing was getting done on that and couldn't get done as long as oil and gas companies, you know, controlled our politicians. So that was kind of my entry into Wolfpack. Yeah. So sometimes people ask me to make predictions because I do it on the show all the time. And with one giant exception, which is Trump leaving office, that I lost a bet to end on. With that, without, but that wasn't about money in politics. And that wasn't, it was about my hunch about Trump's personality. But without that, without that, I would dare say I have an excellent record.

And the reason why I don't mind saying that, even though it sounds like it's bragging, because as Bill pointed out, it's not bragging, it's obvious. It's actually super easy. Like, in fact, with the congressional candidate this morning, he said, oh, yeah, yeah, you know, the progressives in Congress are now fighting on,

to get student debt relief. I was like, I love your brother, but they ain't going to get student debt relief. Okay. They can fight all day, like, and Anthony Weirner. Thank you, Sam, for pointing out my other error. Nice job.

I thought he didn't do it. Boy, was I wrong. Okay. And I can tell you right now, and I told him, he said, Mike, I'm famous for knowing the future. I'll tell you right now, there's not going to be any student debt relief. There's money on the line. If there's money on the line, they're not going to win. Guaranteed, write it down in stone.

Okay. So that's why Bill's right. without this, can't get anything done. And nothing could be clear than Democrats' control of everything. And they promised those things

and they said it was going to be their defining issues, et cetera. And I said they're not going to do it. And everybody said, oh, Jake, you're being such a jerk. Oh, you're being so mean to Joe Biden. You just trust Joe Biden.

Just trust them. Like, that's not how politics works. It works with power. And right now, the source of the power of the legislators is campaign contributions. And the largest campaign contributions come from corporations and business interests. So if you don't take that out, you will lose on every fight. All right. No, Anna doesn't get me every time. Okay. I see you guys in the chat. So, Bill, I hear that you're also a slayer at Pictionary. Is there truth to that?

Ah, yes, that's my hidden talent, right? Hidden talent, I like it. So my dad's an engineer, and I love that engineers are involved in Wolfpack, and I've talked about that a couple of times, because if you can't half build a bridge, you can't even 90% build a bridge, you have to build a whole bridge. And in order to do that, you are forced into being logical.

Right? And so if you reverse engineer, which is literally what I did, Right. I reverse engineered what went wrong in America. And when I did that, I traced it back to 78 and then I realized it was a Supreme Court decisions that put money into politics and big money, corporate money into politics. And that's how we got here in the first place. All right, let me read a couple more names than I have more questions. New members, David McDaniel, Jennifer Daniel, Elizabeth Martell DeVolder, and Dave Schmidt. You guys are amazing. Amazing. So Dave, Elizabeth, Dave, Jennifer, thank you, thank you, thank you. Wolf-pack.com slash go. Fulfillment's a hell of a drug. Okay, you should try it out. So that, Bill, I'm going to do the stand-up question with you, too. Speaking of which, some of your favorite moments at Wolfpack. So I'm actually going to start with a low light. Um, uh, Wolfpack's a month old. I've joined.

There's nothing. There's no infrastructure. There's no training. We don't have a New Mexico team. We don't have organizers. We don't have directors. Nothing, right? It's just me and a little bit of advice that's come out of Wolfpack National, right? And so I start trying to call state legislators. I get hold of one, get them on the phone, and we're talking, and it just goes south, right?

It just goes, I mean, it's just, it was comically bad. And at one point, I'm going, no, no, no, that's the exact opposite of what what I'm saying. And, you know, it was a bad format and I didn't prepare correctly. Everything was wrong. And it was so bad, really, that I kind of stepped back and I said, okay, there are people who have skills to do this. It's not me. I'm going to up my donation and pull back as a volunteer, which was my status for several years until Trump got elected and I went to the women's March in January of 2017 and said, okay, I got to do something. This is what I believe in. And I got involved again as a volunteer. And in that time, a bunch of stuff that happened, right? We got a state team. We got organized. you and others who make these decisions decided to send Allison Hartson to New Mexico that year.

So I got to work with her. I got to see her in action. I learned a ton from her, and we were able to pass in the Senate that year. So that was a huge accomplishment. One of my favorite things was I wasn't there that day. You know, I was still working, but I was taking vacation and going up to the Capitol when I could. And I arrived one day and she was telling the story about what had happened yesterday. She went into this senator's office.

He had this book about this thick about why Article 5 Convention is a bad idea sitting on his desk somewhere, right? Fortunately, he hadn't read it yet. Right. She got to speak to him before he'd been able to read the book. And he was intrigued by their meeting and he asked her to stay and other people came in. And when they leave his office, they'd continue their conversation. And it lasted all day like that. She would just sit and wait as other people talked to him. And when they were done, they'd pick up their conversation today. It was like an all day conversation. It went into dinner. He brought in the president of the Senate to that dinner. And at the end of the dinner, he just kind of looked at her and said, she makes a good case, doesn't she? And he was on her side, she was on her side.

And he became a huge champion for us. We needed a conference room in the, we call it the roundhouse, our state capital here. He'd reserve it for us. He did all kinds of stuff. for us and some of the best things were after committee hearings there's literally a tavern a katy corner across from the capital called a saloon we'd go to the saloon and you know just BS and talk about stuff and with this senator Daniel Ivis Soto and some others and stuff is really great

did you say the state house is called a rat house round oh round it looks like it looks like a huge drum okay i was going to say the rat house is a little too self-deprecated okay bounds of reason right and then i was like is it frat house that's also not good okay but roundhouse that makes sense uh eric says a little on the nose yeah well okay that's true um and uh And Chris, a little McMak J that I referenced earlier, asked if we need to go harsher. At the end, I want to talk about hope, but I'll also talk about the fight, right,

and how to fight more. But I want to shout out two new members, James Rieg and Ronnie Kellogg, James O' Ronnie, you guys are awesome, you're the best. Thank you. Wolf-dash-Pack, that's P-A-C, wolf-pack.com slash go. So, Bill, I guess those are good stories. I love every one of these stories. And so one last thing, I guess.

So, you know, New Mexico was one of those states that was really hopeful. And then as happens frequently, and that's politics, right? we lost at the end and then we got to go keep going back and keep going back right so what keeps you in the fight uh man so it does get a little dark um we've had so the our senate champions have said you've passed in the senate now you need to do it in the house before you come back to us so all of our efforts really been in the house since then. The speakers is against us. He's, you know, we've had meetings with them. They feel like they're good meetings. And then he assigns us to three committees, which is impossible in Mexico. We just had, you know, two-month sessions. So there's

no way to do that. And, you know, we've gotten to a committee hearing, and then we've been tabled a couple times. So the people that we rally, that we get to come to the hearings, do that, they see it at the table, they get discouraged. So it's, you know, it kind of snowballs in a negative way. They're less inclined to kind of do the same thing. But at the end of the day, it's what a lot of the volunteers have been saying all day.

You know, it's the people. The people here are really great. They're really informed. They, you know, their attitudes are great. I just want to continue being a part of this team because, you know, at the end of the day, I believe in what we're doing. And I love the people I'm doing it. Yeah, you know, I'm asking for members.

to sustain us. But we definitely want volunteers to. Volunteers is the bloodline of Wolfpack. That's what we got. So every other group has money, they have connections, et cetera. We have all of you guys and the volunteers. And it is the best set of volunteers I have ever seen anywhere by a landslide.

Most of the groups barely have any volunteers. And I remember when Allison ran, for sending California, and we were looking at Diane Feinstein's website, and we noticed that she didn't even have a link for volunteers. She was not asking for any because they don't care. They don't want you. They just want the money, Levowski. So on the other hand, if you wanted to donate to Feinstein, you know, believe me, she had plenty of opportunities for you to donate, right? But volunteers say, I don't want you. I'm the opposite. We have to have enough money, enough members to sustain us. But the volunteers are the ones who make the calls, who reach out to the legislators,

and you're seeing, hearing some great stories about having dinner and drinks and, et cetera, and all these different things with these state legislators. And it is, it does feel shocking, especially if you're not used to it at the national level. You can't talk to a legislator unless you have several thousand dollars in checks, at least. And it, and it does happen. But it doesn't even need to be that. If all you did was make a couple of calls in your home states when we need to pressure politicians, that makes a giant difference. And then you could feel like, hey, I did something. And it's true, you did. And it makes a difference. And try it a little bit. And if you like it, do a little more, right? Until you're... I get one more story.

Yeah. It came to mine. Yeah, my wife was out of town. I was responsible for the kids. And I picked them up after school or whatever. But there was a Senate committee hearing that evening. And Allison had taught me in to come in. It's an hour drive from where I lived to the Capitol. So I packed the kids in the car and I went to the Capitol and I brought him in and I was showing them around, you know.

And I thought, you know, it was a good educational experience for them and all that. We got to the hearing room and it was packed. You could not get into it. Allison had saved a place for me because I had agreed to be kind of a liaison between her and Sam. So I got in, but my kids didn't.

They were left out in the halls and they were 17 and 13. They were able to find the closed circuit feed of what was going on inside. And because I picked them up from school, they had their homework and stuff to do. But I was just sweating it out that whole time that I was an absentee dad,

leaving my kids alone, not being able to get out to them if they needed me. And but that committee was great. We won that committee hearing. I love it. Not the part where you left your kids behind, but the part where you participated. And I love your devotion to the cause that you're like,

that you would have done that. So thank you. And it's always good to see you. And thank you for caring. And that's actually what I would say most to everybody. Because none of you are here if you don't care. And so I keep saying I'm theoretically writing a book. because it's so long

I did finish the first draft I have tons of editing left anyways in the book at the end in the last chapter I talk about how the media has a lot of different mythologies that the corporate media

in this country that they use to make sure that they protect the status quo and one of the most important ones is being cool and this is actually something that is spread out throughout our culture and cool means i don't care uh rebel without a cause good movie a disastrous cultural cornerstone um because the media made it all the way from movies but especially through uh news media it's not cool to care uh and i i can't stand that and it's a trick

it's a trick to get you to not fight against the status quo and to accept your fate and to submit, okay? Do not submit. I don't care if it's cool or not. I love you guys for caring and caring enough to do it like Bill has for 10 years. And yeah, there are cycles. And sometimes you go to donating and not volunteering because you need a break or whatever. But Bill came back and we need that.

and we're going to go back and we're going to go back and we're going to win in New Mexico. Okay. And so again, at the end, I'll talk a little bit more about hope and how we're going to do that, but how we're going to fight. But Bill, thank you, brother.

Appreciate it. You're welcome, Jenkin. Thanks for everything you do. Thank you, brother. All right. Now, we're going to go to games. Before we go to games, new members,

wolf-dash pack.com slash go is how you sign up. Dion Peters Llewock, Deanne, if I got that wrong, which I'm certain I did, sorry, but thank you. Nadia Alves and Francis Scanlon. So Francis, Nadia, and Dion, you guys are awesome. Thank you. And, you know, on caring, caring about one another,

caring about the issues, but just generally caring about the country. I love that you care about the country. I love that. And so we're nerds here, right? We're, and proudly so. Oh, well, you guys are like, oh, you care about democracy? Yeah, yeah, we do.

We think it's kind of a good thing. And we think that it helps our fellow man. And we like to fight for it. And certainly if you don't fight for it, you ain't going to get it. So corporations fought for it to the tune of billions of dollars they put in. We need to fight back. I do not want to submit to corporate rule. I just don't want to sit to it, submit to it.

Okay. Mike. Yes. Hey. Hey, Jack. Great segment. Thanks for doing that. That was really cool.

I love hearing those stories. Yeah, I love those stories. And we have had a ton of new members and we're also past 50% already for our goal for the entire month. So, wow, this is a lot. a great day for Wolfpack, and I just want to, you know, just let everybody know how much I appreciate that, people who stepped up today. And we're not quite done. Yeah, let's finish it. Let's finish it. Let's do it. And by the way, I'll say one more thing, Mike, real quick about that. Yeah, of course. Look, so Bill and Anita and Mando and every other volunteer, especially the state

leaders that have put so much time in and I can go on and on. You know, I talk about how they're heroes on the show. And that's because they are. because they care about someone else and they bother to spend a lot of their personal time to do that and I think that speaks so well of them and without a lot of glory, et cetera. But the members are also heroes because if you don't, if you're not a member, we don't exist

and you don't give Bill and Anita and Mando an opportunity to go fight for you at the state houses and to win and to bring things back. So thank you and a shout out to all the members, the new ones, the old ones, the ones that have been here a decade, the ones that have been here 10 minutes. So thank you, wolf dashpac.com. Okay, Mike. Okay, so we're going to make this, this is fun.

We do this every once in a while, jink, with our members. We have a raffle, and we're going to spin the wheel. I'm going to try to do it as quick as I can, Steve, because I know you've got your game coming up. And I think we can do it pretty quick. So what I've done is I've taken all of our members who have opted into our raffle. And I'm going to put them into an electronic wheel. I'm going to show you that in just a second. I'm going to share my screen.

And everyone who became a member tonight, just in the last hour or two, is also in here. Just so you guys know. It's pretty hard. Okay. So I'm going to share my screen. I'm going to show you exactly what we're going to. to give away here tonight and then we'll get into the games so here we go okay I assume everyone can see my screen now at this point correct we've got we're going to give away

standard t-shirts one of the volunteer design t-shirts You can go to our website right now and just click on the About tab. If you want to see those designs, they were made by a lot of people on our communications team, actually. So pretty cool stuff. We've got some face masks. We've got some notebooks. Those are also awesome. I guess I could actually bring that page up in a second here, too.

And then this is where this is the wheel. There's a lot of names on here, so it's a little hard to read them. So, Jank, I don't know if you're going to be able to – you can see this, right? yes i can see it all right you want to read the winners i'm going to spin this okay so the first one just everyone's on the same page is going to be oops when i go i want to go all this thing's in my way there we go okay first one is just going to be the standard wolf pack t-shirt all right just everyone's on the same page let's see who's going to get that Everyone, I'll just scroll through this.

These are all of our members who have opted into our raffle. Any member can opt in at any time. You can just email me. I also send a forum every once in a while. And then you can see some of the names that Jank just read down here at the bottom signed up tonight. So all the names are in there. I'm going to go ahead, spin the wheel, and we're

going to get our first winner of the evening. hey look at that joy spots just won she just signed up and she wins instantly look at that okay i remember reading your name like three and a half seconds ago that's right she just signed up wow nicely done all right i mean look if that's not a good reason to sign up i don't know what is okay you sign up you instantly get free stuff maybe just so we don't just so we don't forget next one is a the volunteer design off of our uh of our of our merch page where do we go that is it no all right give me a second i think i i think i actually clicked out of that link so uh just give me like difficulty yeah yeah just giving like two minutes

uh idea what that is you need two minutes to bring that back up again yeah uh meanwhile by the way wolf dash pack dot com slash go uh apparently you can join and then a couple of minutes later win fabulous prizes. And instantly, of course, there are allegations of rigging this election. Hey, good news. If Wolfpack wins, you can discuss that in the election reform convention. No, our raffles are free and fair raffles, okay? All right, let me just make sure that we're all good here again.

unnecessary. Okay, here we go. All right, let's try that again. Volunteer design. We're going to the wheel. Let me share my screen. Here we go. All right, volunteer design. Here we go. What a Mary Lou win. A volunteer design t-shirts, designed by our communications team. Very well done. That's all I need for now. Next, we've got a fight club t-shirt. Those are obviously pretty cool.

Oh, I love those. I have one, please. Yep. Am I in this? Or is that cheating? You didn't sign up. You got to opt in, Jank. Well, there you go.

So if you don't participate, you don't win. Lesson learned. learned. Oh, look at that. Oh, come on, Christopher McGowan, Little MacGee. I don't know it. It's funny. And they were just saying in the chat, hey, can he win twice if he accidentally signed up twice, right? Well, I don't know, but you just won one. So hang in there if you might win twice. Oh, that's great. Yeah, new people. A lot of love here tonight in this raffle. Now we're going to do a face mask. These are handmade by Bunker Joan, by the way. Oh, that's awesome.

They're awesome. They are awesome. Here we can go. Every time we do things like this, and I forgot to sign up, now, I shouldn't win things, obviously, right? I think, those are good. Nancy Howard. Nancy's a new win of this. Can you guys see these fireworks?

Not the fireworks, but the confetti? Okay. We're fancy over here. is pretty fun. All right, notebooks. Those are super cool. You can go and check them out on the merch page. Again, it's on the about tab of our homepage. So you're going to get one of each. There's two designs on there. That was Sean Hanson, one of our tech guys, but he's also pretty damn good artist. Look at that. Is that? Oh. Did you see who the name right before that is right here?

I don't think you can read that, Jane. The name right before. Look how close that is. Well, they're almost one. Well, unfortunately, it's happened before. Kind of looks like it's on him, but okay. All right. Good stuff.

So if you know what, guys, we're, of course, we're running behind and all that stuff. but I want to tell you a quick Brant Welder's story. So the other day, somebody sent me the platform language on getting money out of politics, the Democratic Party platform message. And I looked at it and I was like, man, that sounds so much like the Wolfpack message. That's amazing. I don't know, anyone else who writes, you know, in the same way that we do. Like it was just hauntingly similar, not hauntingly.

Why is it haunting? I don't know. It was incredibly similar to how we write it, right? The phrasing, et cetera. And that's in the Democratic Party platform. And then I remembered, I'm like, wait, did Brent Wilder write that? And I asked him, and he's like, he had written an original one back in 2016. And yes, and Brent is a Wolfpack member. And a Wolfpack member wrote the Democratic Party platform for money in politics. Now, that's the great news. The bad news is they don't listen to that.

but that's pretty badass that's pretty cool and and i was and and and bret was this close this close to being a u.s congressperson from kansas uh and uh he's just an amazing guy uh so yeah that would have been that would have been phenomenal yeah well didn't yeah didn't could have gotten a good one there and they uh they missed it by just a bit unfortunately yep and of You got a corporate Democrat who has literally done nothing since she's been enough, just keeping it worse. All right. So I put Brent there because technically it showed that he did win.

I don't know where Philip came from, but we'll, you're both winners. So let's go, let's do a standard t-shirt now. Back here, another winner. Sean Heading. more confetti uh nice job shone Sean gets a t-shirt yeah nice job he does standard t-shirt yep there's nothing standard about our t-shirts okay I'll have you know all right now we get to a couple of uh the big ones though we've got the fight club hoodie coming up I have one of those those are this is a pretty big one I'd say it's one of the grand

prize wins here tonight I would say Deidre Hammond Daedra Hammond Da, da, da. D.J. I might have worn before, but I could be wrong. Off the check. Nice win, though.

Hoodie's a big one. Nice win, yep. Then one more standard t-shirts. Again, this is what we do once in a while with our members. We'll have a raffle just for fun. We'll have a meeting. And we'll give away some stuff.

It's not usually this many things. Although Eric does get a little frustrated if I get carried away sometimes because he's almost always almost called. All right. Standard T-shirt. Here we go. I'm the Vanna White of this game. I even model the shirt.

Yeah, looking great, Jake. Over there. Well. Oh, look at this. The Godfather. Bob. Is it Raphael? What I'm talking about. Yeah.

The legend from the Rhode Island team. There you go. You go, Bob. Rhode Island for the win. Bob for the win, Godfather for a win. Absolutely. He gave us an offer we couldn't refuse. So now he's got a T-shirt.

All right, volunteer design. One more of those. Who's that going to be? Oh, Jason, Argento almost. Oh, Jen loom. Jen, you're awesome. Way to win. Thank you, Jen.

Thanks for being a member. And then just two more. Let's do one more of Jones face mask here first. Angel One of our best volunteers, actually. She's out there. What's up, Angela? Nice job, Angela.

Great. I feel like we nearly stopped in the name a couple of times. What's that? I feel like we nearly stopped in her name a couple of times. and but just hey like you know in the states we nearly win a couple times and then all of a sudden we would all right last one we're just going to do a couple more notebooks and that will be it for the raffle here we go who's the last winner just came in as a member tonight another new one Look at that. Dion Peters Loic. Deion, you're making me say your last name again. Okay.

And just stuck it. One of like the last five, I think. So nicely done there. Yep. She just joined through wolf dash pack.com slash go. And she, Dion and, and, who enjoys are already like making money by joining Wolfpack. They come in, they become a member, they already win something. So, yes, congrats to everybody. Yeah, all right. So that's it. Now we can transition to the game. Steve G., you can take it from here.

All right. So Mike, make co-hosts Joelle Kraft, Khadija, I don't, I don't know how you pronounce your name, Fouad, probably probably got them both wrong. and then Armando and Joan Lundy. Okay, I think Josh has this list, correct? I am in the background. I'm on it. Josh is the man in the background.

That's right. So, all right, this is obviously a party game that is fairly popular. It sometimes doesn't take a lot of effort. So we'll do as much of this as we can in the window of time that we have. So we're going to have five contestants. Basically, everybody is going to have one chance as what we call the presenter. The presenter is going to present three claims. Two of them are true.

One of them is a lie. There's things about their own lives, and so you can't go Google or fact-check anything. You have to do that. Now, after a presenter presents their two truths in one line, by the way, in any order that they want, they are trying to disguise their lie. In other words, they are trying to get you to guess something that is true, and they're trying to disguise their lie. There's going to be a period of a cross-examination by the other panelists, which means that so I say, one, I own a fully functional Apple 2C computer, two, I was in a crowd scene in the movie Ghostbusters, two,

three, the first time I met a significant other's parents, I ended up in the hospital. And then the other people, the panelists are going to say, well, wait a minute, if you know it's fully functional, then what floppy disks do you have for that Apple GTC computer? What hospital was it? Now, I might be like, I don't know. I wasn't driving the car. I was the one that was sick, so I don't know. I don't know what hospital, but basically you're trying to make it as though all three

of your claims are true. Is there a crowd scene in Ghostbusters, too? Who knows? But I have to sell it as though that is something that is true, by the way there is. Anyway, after that period of cross-examination, which will be 90 seconds to two minutes, then there'll be a couple of audience questions. Basically, in that time, if you from the audience have something that you would like to ask the presenter about any of the three claims, I will pick out a couple from the audience.

And at that point, the other panelists are going to determine, I think that A is the lie. I think that C is the lie. I think that and you will get points for the participants. Each participant will get points if they correctly guess the lie. The presenter will get points if they guess, if the person guesses the truth and does not guess the lie. In addition to that, or at the same time, you and the audience will be polled and you, you will get to have the opportunity to determine what your vote is. There are bonus points if the lie is hidden well enough from the audience,

and there is an extra bonus if the presenter hides the lie from everybody, gets an extra thing. The top two will make a final round, but we're going to see how this works, first of all, with Joan. Joan, you're going to be the first presenter. Joan, you either have received or should have received. Let me know if you didn't. Something that you can read your two truths and your lie off of.

I'll send them written down. Hey, Steve, super quick. Did I miss anybody? Or do we have everybody available on video? Okay, so Joan, Joelle, Armando, Jank, Kadia? Kadija. Yeah, you can put your video on. if you'd like.

Yeah, unmute yourself, Kadiah, and put your video on. By the way, Joelle and Kadia won the auction, and we're using Armando and Joan because we wanted to have some people that have led interesting lives and would contribute in a fun way to this. Great. Joan. Actually, I'm signed in on another computer. so can you make the other person the co-host instead of this login sure what's the name

it's still cadija quad it's just there's two of me in here what gotcha i'm gonna do you one better i'm gonna make both the co-host that's how we roll all right you're all set all right joan give me in any order your two truths and your lie well there was the blessed event December 22nd, 1970, when Ted Cruz was born in my hospital in Calgary, Alberta, the Foothills Hospital, and darned if I wasn't a nurse. I can't say I was there, nurse, but I was there. Number two, when Lawrence Lessig declared his candidacy for presidency in 2016, he said, he was going to run out campaign finance reform and then just resign if he got that passed, but he didn't declare running mate. So I decided the TYT lizard ought to be as

running mate, and I made him a campaign poster. Leszic lizard 2016 and sent it to the TYT his studios. Okay. Number three, I got a call from a telemarketer in India, and I charmed him into telling me his real name. By the end of the conversation, he invited me to his house in Mumbai, for a home-cooked meal by his wife. All right. Cross-examination begins now. So we all cross-examine Joan? We all cross-examine Joan.

Okay, what was a telemarketer's name? Well, he said his name was Steve. And I said, there's no way your name is Steve. And he says, why not, madam? And I said, you're clearly calling them from India. I can hear everybody talking in the background. So eventually he told me his name was Anjid. Anjid, okay.

I had a similar experience. And I was like, I love your brother. I have my friends who are Indian. It's okay. We don't mind that you from India. It's okay. We love you. Anyways.

What? Ask audience as well in the middle. You can ask questions in the chat if you want to. Okay. All right. What was going to go to the hospital? Ted Cruz, will you work? Hospital, foothills Hospital in Calgary, Alberta. Foothills.

Somebody asked, how heavy was Ted Cruz? You know, I don't know that I was there, but I worked in labor and delivery at that hospital at that time. And how was I to know? Andrew Singh, we just answered what kind of nurse she was, labor and delivery. Labor and delivery. When was the lizard published? 2016 I sewed it up mailed it to the studios and it found its way onto a show

along with the lizard costumes 30 more seconds for Joan who was the telemarketer selling he was selling a change from whatever I was on to AT&T for cell phone, telephone all that stuff Joel, any questions for Joan?

Okay. All right. Now, I am going to put out the poll, and while I do that, let me go to my thing. Armando, you are going to be the first person to guess. Guessing A is Ted Cruz, guessing B is Lesser Glizzard, guessing C is the telemarketer. What is your guess, and you can give a few seconds of reasoning if you would like?

I am going to say that the Ted Cruz hospital in the same hospital is a lie. Okay, Ted Cruz is a lie. Just because I'm going my gut. I don't think he's human. Kadija, what is your guess? I think the hospital is a lie. I think the hospital is a lie. Joelle, what is your guess?

Sorry, I was trying to unmute. I think that the campaign poster is a lie. Okay. Jank, what is your guess? So, number one, I agree with Justin that Joan is too good at this. Okay. Number two, having seen Joan in action on the phone, I don't think there isn't anyone she couldn't convince to make her a home-cooked meal,

whether it's here or in India. Number two, from Calgary to Cancun makes sense. So I'm going with a lizard poster. I feel like there was a lot of lizard material. I don't quite remember the lizard Lessig poster, so I think that was the lie. And by the way, quick shout out. Davian Hall McKinsey just joined. So Davian, welcome, and wolf dash pack.com.

to join. Go ahead. All right. So, Joan, please reveal your lie. Number one. I actually did work at that hospital and labor and delivery, but not until 1975. So not until five years after. Yeah, I graduated in 1970. All right. So Armando will get points. Kadija will get points for this, and then Joan will get some points for fooling Joelle and fooling. is there a jank yuger who is playing this game okay uh jank i already love this game and i love how excited cadija got uh when she got the right answer for joan uh i'm right there with you sister uh am i by the way my middle name is cadir so it's kind of close um all right so here are my three lies and oh that was a tell uh do you're one year a lot one lie in

Oh, I should, Beau asked me, do I want to share the poll results? Yes, 28% correctly guessed the lie. So Joan does not get the extra bonus points, but the other, it was split pretty evenly, but 28% guessed the lie. Thank you, Bo. Go, go, Jane. All right. So I've got a lot of stories from a lot of years. It was hard to pick here.

But, all right, I had three different knives pulled on me in, in, junior high and high school growing up in New Jersey. And two of them were on the football team. The quarterback pulled a knife on me in junior high. The cornerback pulled a knife on me in high school. And then a guy who was a local thug pulled a knife on me somewhere in the middle. I forget exactly. And then he tried to, his friend tried to run me over with a motorcycle.

No one ever got arrested. it was Jersey. Okay. So a second one is I, one of the most famous directors in the country was on the show, not a big deal. And we talked about an idea that I had. And after the interview was over, he said, Jenk, could you please not talk about that idea anymore? It is too good. And it is the topic of my next movie and I don't want everybody talking about it until it comes out and that movie is about to come out okay and the third story is I participated in my own circumcision and as sheep was ritualistically slaughtered in front of me as celebration of the heretoforementioned circumcision. So if you weren't uncomfortable enough already, we have just put it over the top

here. Now, that is three stories. I got like eight more of those, but I think that's good enough. All right. Cross-examination begins now, and you can put your things in the audience as well. Okay, but now you've got to tell us with the movie ideas that you're not allowed to tell. that's totally fair yeah it's uh don't look up it's the leonard decaprio movie that's about to come out on netflix and the idea was i said if 99% of the world scientists uh thought a meteor is going to hit the earth uh could you imagine if half the country was like no we don't believe you and we don't care uh we don't mind if we all die because uh we don't believe in scientists and that's exactly what don't look up is right anybody else have questions for jank who was

participating as well in this ritual with your sheep well so what happened was the circumcision was in istanbul when i was six years old and then we went to go to southeastern turkey where my parents were originally from. And that's where they said, oh, don't worry, everything's going to be all right. We've got this, a sheep for you, and I was playing with him, and I named him Mali, and I'm thinking, okay, playing is a loose term. I'm, he's over there, right? And you don't really play with a sheep. And they're like, okay, now, Alice, you're the was. And then they cut his throat. And then I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what? And they're like, no, he was a sacrifice in your honor. Now, don't get freaked out. He's, he was killed in a, no, no, don't

he was killed in a halal way okay and of course yes and and it was by the way it's a great Muslim tradition because in your honor yes you eat a little piece of it but you give most of it to the poor yes I I have family in Turkey too so I do know this um but that's why I was asking questions yeah it's the feed the poor so the uh from the uh uh third one oh What was the name of the cornerback that knifed you? Ed Jimenez. And I thought you guys were going to ask why, because I was dating his sister. Was it the nice phone on the field, off field?

And was it part of the soprano scene or what was going on? It was after practice. And so he went to the locker, got it, and said, if you ever do anything to basically dishonor my sister, you're going to have to deal with me. All right. Any other questions for Jank? Because it'll take me one second.

Did you get injured by any of the knives? No, the quarterback came closest. He put the knife to my chest, basically. And the guy I was just having lunch with Steve O, a lifelong friend was there. And I told the quarterback, go for it, brother. What are you going to do? I don't think you're going to do it. And Steve told me he didn't know me at the time.

And he thought, this is a bad mother effort. Okay. I would be friends with this guy. So that one came the closest. Although the thug guy, and I forgot his name, he had the highest chance of actually doing it. The other guys weren't really going to do it, okay, in my opinion. and I hope.

But was a chaffron or something like that? I thought there's some chance he's going to do it. All right. I am, oh, I see what happens. Great. Okay, I'm launching the poll. At the same time, the poll should be launched right now. Well, let me go to think for Jank.

Joel, what is your guess? I'm thinking that it's the circumcision, actually. I'm thinking that it didn't quite go the way that he's saying that it did. So I think that's the lie. Armando. What is your lie? I think it's the movie idea. I think he might have pitched an idea, but I don't think it's just,

I think the director said you just thought we could start. Kadija, what is your, what is your thoughts? So, all right, I know the circumcision is true because I'm a TYT member and he talked about it. Right. But the fights, little MacMachia is making me doubt. I was going to pick the second one, but he's saying, no, he got into fist fights, not knife fights, and I can't remember what he said.

Right. By the way, I think I'll go with my original guest, which was the movie topic, and I hope I'm not wrong. I'd probably be a little MacBichie. By the way, he said a lot of things on TYT. We don't know if every detail of this story is true. Joan. I think number three is the lie. I know that number one is writer. I think I do. Number two is very plausible. Number three, I know those things take place. I just have a feeling. He's squeaked out. I have a feeling he's squeaked out. All right. We're ending the poll. Jank. What is your, what is your lie? So first of all, shout out to Pam Monholland who just joined, Wolf-dashpack.com slash go to become a member. You see how much fun we have? You see this? Okay. So let me explain real quick. Was there, I'm surprised nobody asked, how did I participate in my circumcision? But yes, that one was true, I participated by giving myself the painkiller, because that's what the doctor suggested. And I thought it was a terrible idea, but I did. And I gave myself the shot. He showed me how, of course. And Ali was real, and he, Ali was eaten that night. But again, it was mainly to help the

poor. And the Meteor idea is absolutely true. The director is Adam McKay. And, and, He said, Jenk, I can't believe you said that hypothetical. Please, as a favor, don't talk about it too much on the show because I got Leo DiCaprio. I got all these amazing people, and I don't want people talking about it and thinking it's normal or boring by the time it comes out. So bless his heart. Adam's an awesome progressive, by the way. And so the three knives story is the one that's false, but only because Edwin, threatened me with a knife, but didn't actually bring the knife. The other two had the knives.

They did point him at me. One of them did put it up to my chest. But I was sure that Edwin had a knife, but he didn't actually brandish it as he was threatening me. Okay. So you fooled everybody, which means you get the bonus for the panel. You all four of them. Woohoo! on the audience the audience was actually super on this one and 52% of the audience knew that it was A but nobody in the poll so all right can I just say that Sarah I see you in the chat Jank had a girlfriend in high school she asked dated a person who won the who won a miss universe pageant but believe me Lizette was my first girlfriend and I

was so thrilled that she said yes. You have no idea. So you're not that wrong. It was my first girlfriend ever. All right. Kadija, please present your two truths and your lie in any order. Okay. So my first political act at the age of five was to demonstrate against Joseph McCarthy's House on American Affairs Committee. I've been on four continents, North America, South America, Europe, and Asia. And I once studied the microbiology of tofu. All right. So age five, McCarthy, H-UAC committee. Second one. UAC is what we called it within UAC, four continents, United, North America, South America, Europe, and Asia, and microbiology of tofu, cross-examiner.

All right, Khadija, what country in South America? Peru, and I have the swag here, some, it's an opaca saw. Man, you came prepared. Which country in Asia? So, Asia, I visited a couple, but I got to. this from Jordan. It's hard to see. It's a little glass thingy. I'm done. I mean, she's so prepared. Other questions. Other questions from Khadija. Mike Nander says she was on five continents, two times not three. Tofur store has to be true. Anybody have a question? Robert asked, why

did you study microbiology of tofu? Well, it's kind of of a long story. I was originally going to look at organisms that can degrade carbon monoxide, and I had trouble growing them. And so I needed another project and my mentor said, you know, there's this tofu factory and you could go there and take some samples. So I switched to the tofu thing. All right. Any other questions before we move on? What was your purpose of, you know, what were you looking to get out of in your microbiology with tofu? Where were you going with that? So I wanted to know where the organisms could get into the tofu during the manufacturing process.

So we could get an idea for those manufacturers about how good their cell by dates were. and so the short version is once they cook the soybeans to get the soy milk out most of the bacteria die so then anything that gets in was introduced after that that's what I found Justin says what is a wolf want with tofu all right I am opening the poll so for Khadija's thing Joan what is your guess number one I think she She's too young. Okay. Jank, what is your guess?

Now all of a sudden, Joan got me questioning myself. Okay. I'm going to go with my gut. Even though she clearly knows microbiology and clearly studied something of that sort, she seemed more hesitant in those answers. So I'm going tofu's the lie. Armando. Yeah, I'm going to go with that.

tofu because she must have studied something else, but just not tofu. Joelle. I was actually going tofu because she didn't give me any scientific terms, and that's kind of what I was trying to get, which if she had studied, she might give us a little something more. So I'm hoping that I might finally be right on one, but, you know, I'd just share to play. All right. Hope will has ended.

Uh, Khadija, what is your lie? So my lie is the number of continents I visited. My daughter went to Purdue, Peru, and she gave me the shawl. I knew it. I was too prepared for it. I swear to God, I almost interrupted Steve to change my vote. Great. Because as soon as Joelle said the continents, I was like, it had to be the continents.

It's a layup on a lie. I thought somebody would say she did protest too much when I had all this bag. It was a misdirection that was worthy of everything. like literally she was like yes i have this i have these two things right here these two things everybody yeah well and if you google me you'll find my paper on microbiology of tofu just oh i can't wait all right i have no idea i am such a nerd that way i will be reading it joel hit me with your tooth that cannot be one of them but hit me with your two truths in your lie? So I am allergic to coastal and inland grasses and trees and pollen and pretty much the entire

planet. So my second thing is I got my child off of Craigslist. And the third thing is I have 13 pets all right so allergic to inland trees and other things got her child off of Craigslist 13 pets cross-examiner

are you allergic to the tree behind Mando probably oh yes that will literally kill me if you get me in a room with that by my alone well just trapped in a room

my lungs will start to close up and I won't be able to breathe. Unless it's fake. And then if it's fake, then I'm fine. It's fake. Oh, then I'm fine. What do you mean you got your child on me? So I actually went to Craigslist and was looking for a to do a trade. and I ended up being in contact with this, what ended up to be a kid, in regards to doing the trade.

I needed housework done and because I was having some health issues. And so I went in for, I went on Craigslist for the trade and, you know, this kid was like, hey, I'd love to, you know, to help and I don't really need a trade because I was like I can teach any art, all this kind of stuff, public pleaking, yada yada. And they ended up not being an in-between home kind of kids. They were homeless. And I fell in love and I adopted them. Wow. Okay. I have to do one thing. she is alerted to treat pollen or trees the whole thing and what kind of trees um coastal and inland so basically every single tree that's on the planet if it can grow um i can't be locked in a room or an area with it or touch it because i'll get hives if i touch it and if i'm locked in a room um my lungs will close up

someone someone above says child is a pet all right uh we are going to to open the poll. Can I ask one last question? How many different kinds of pets, Joel? So, okay, so I have tarantulas. I have a couple of bearded dragons. There is two ball pythons. There's a cat there. And there is, oh, there's the one scorpion. Oh, I don't have the stink bugs anymore, which those are actually called assassin bugs. So that's why I'm down to 13. Okay. So I'm going to write this as Joelle's claims and save it and then go here, find the thing, and open this poll. Great.

All right. So let me go to my thing. Joan, I'm sorry. Khadija, you are first to guess. I guess the allergies. I'm going to guess the allergies. is number one, which is A. Joan, what would you guess? I'm guessing number three. I bet she has pets, but I don't think it's 13. Jank. Yeah, first, Andrew Singh just joined up. So thank you,

wolf dash pack.com slash go to become a member of Wolfpack. We not only fight for democracy, but we also have fun doing it. So I'm going with the 13 pets. I believed in the, she could die from the trees, but then the pets would fight back. There's just a lot of things that make sense there. So it's going to be a different number of pets.

And Armando. I like what Eric said. He said, like she lives in a tree house. I mean, you last, sorry. I'm going to say I don't think you have 13 pets You're going to go pets as well All right

I'm going to end the poll And then I'm going to share the results Okay Joelle What is you or lie? Craig's last story is true That's awesome So

technically I am allergic to the planet Which is horrible and lovely at the same time. And I technically do live with 13 pets, though none of them are mine. And actually, there's about 56 pets in this house. And yes, I did get my kid off of Craigslist, and we're actually writing a book. And it's going to basically be called, I got my kid off of Craigslist. So it's a beautiful tale.

all right great okay so wait which one was the line the pets i i don't have any pets technically so i just live in a house with people who have 56 pets there's a habitat room you you wow they do right have a chat rescue so before we tally up the scores armando you are the last presenter. Woohoo. Present your two truths and your lie. All right. Okay.

So one is I grew up playing video games and my dad finally got me on Nintendo and I'm a little and I haven't, and I got the first game that got me was Street Fighter and I haven't lost a Street Fighter match since the 90s. That's the number one. Okay. I used to go visit my grandma and my aunts and uncles in Mexico in the summertime so I could avoid playing baseball because I hate baseball and I got pulled over for driving under the age and drinking and I bribed them with my cousin and I and we got away

And then the third one is I went to Chicago for New Year's Eve and we went to the cheesecake factory underneath the Hancock Tower and I hung out with Vince Vaughn, I saw him, met him, and I got him drinks and a whole restaurant got pretty crazy and he kept telling me and everybody else that you're so money, you don't even know it. Hey, all right. First one, he said not lost a street fighter match since the 90s. Second one is bribed a Mexican cop after being caught underage driving. Third, Vince Vaughn told him Chicago New Year's Eve. He's so money and he didn't even know it. Cross-examine this man. Okay. How much did you pay the cop? I only had about 40 bucks.

When he asked me for my wallet, they had to give him the wallet and took it. and how did it well like you just gave him your wallet and he just took the money out yeah I was my cousin and uh he's like you guys got a license and I go know and uh I give him the wallet I say I don't have license

and he opened the wallet and took the 40 bucks he's like right I say uh DP Tater Tud says how many times have you played the game since the 90s uh I played I played not all the time but I played uh whenever

people want to challenge me and I can't lose. Just because of goodness, I know a lot of moves. Josh said, where did this bribe take place? Bribed? The Mexican cop bribe. It was Ladeo, or like, Mexico, like, border towns called Nueva Ladoville.

It's just, like, basically, like, El Paso and, and, um, it's just a border town. Are you saying this border town is next to El Paso? No, it's on Laredo, Laredo, Texas, and it's Nueval Ladeo. So it's across from Laredo Tech. Yeah, it's just literally across the border. It's like a whole, it's a border trade town.

And David Lieberwyn says, what is your street fighter v. Maine, whatever that is? What is my way? What is your street fighter v. Maine? I use, I like Blanca. I like Pisa Blanca, just because I know all the moves. But, you know, man, I just can't lose. I'm just too good with it.

The Super Nintendo control, I know all the things. Yeah, Jeff Eidens seems to believe that Street Fighter was first released on the S-N-E-S, not the N-E-S. Hashtag busted. Does anyone else have any questions for everyone there? Vince Vaughn, what year was that? For way. For Vince Vaughn and the Chicago story. Oh, 99?

I was like, we're going, because it was like, 2000. It was a huge thing. the, what you would call the internet thing. I was going to, the K, like, 2K thing. All right. And then Andrew Singh says, what time did this interaction with the cop happen? What time of day? It was like evening.

It was like, we were younger age. We were just drifting around. It was probably like around seven or eight cruising. All right. You're muted, Joelle. You're muted. Story in my life. When was the last time that you played Street Fighter?

This summer we went to like a brewery and they have like, you know, the three games. They're having a tournament and I was like, oh, I'll play it and unstoppable. I won, I won free pizza. So you won the tournament? Yeah, I don't like five people. It's a small place. What was where, what breweries that? It's in Iowa City, in Iowa.

And it's called Back Pocket Brewery. I don't know it. all right um so i'm going to open the poll all right uh let me go to my thing uh jank you are first up okay what is this a lie first of all i want to thank new american hero alan andrews who just joined uh wolf dashback dot com slash go to join uh alan you're the best thank you uh So I was tempted to guess the streetfighter thing because I thought, wait, was it an Nintendo back then

along the lines of what people were saying in the chat? I even Googled to see if it was on the Nintendo system. I don't know if that's allowed, but I did it. I'm just being honest about it. But I'm going with Vince Vaughn. He hesitated too much in that story. And he might have bought Vince Vaughan drinks, but he didn't say you were so money.

He's too tired of saying that is my guess. Okay. Joelle? I have to agree with Jank on that. I thought he hesitated when Jank asked him questions on it, and so that's kind of where I'm going. Kadija. On the opposite of YouTube, the hesitation made me think he was trying to remember,

and that's why he hesitated. So that made me think that what did happen, so I'm going to go with the street question. not losing the street fighter is the lie. Okay, Joan. Well, I know you can bribe cops in Mexico. I know that for a fact, because I lived in San Diego, California for 35 years. But I think 40 bucks is too cheap.

I think it's, you need more money to bribe. Okay. The next poll is who's cheaper to bribe, a Mexican cop or an American politician? All right. I'm ending the ball. This one is an overwhelming score. We'll see if this is true. Armando, what is your lie?

The lie is he never said it was so money, but I did drink with him. He never said it was so money, but Armando did drink with him. And so you get the audience fooled bonus. All right. And so about, it'll take me about. I finally got a point.

Yeah, no, I feel so strong that he did, like, that I nailed the exact part of the lie. I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying. All right. It'll take me a couple of minutes to tally the scores for the finals. And so you guys can talk amongst yourselves about those truths and lies for just a minute while I figure out who won or who made it to the finals. Have I ever? Oh, sorry. I was going to say, if I was right about him remembering the date, but you sure got it on.

Vince Watt never said that. Yeah. Like you, like you, like you think that, I think he was so tired of saying it to be that he didn't want to say it. No, no. I, I thought when Joel couldn't unmute that it was the tarantula walking across the board. No, they have, they, they, they are not out of their cages.

They are all in theirs. Yeah. There's actually, there's like 40. five, no, there's probably 45 to 50 tarantulas. There is a stink bug, or they used to be a stink bug. There is a, there are two snakes, three bearded dragons. There is a cat. There used to be a fish.

Yeah, there's two leopard geckos. Oh, yeah. You could have a little bit of a squid games in there if you let them all out of their cage. So they're in the habitat room. So they're in the habitat room. So they, sometimes people are given tours. So let me tell you the Hugh Egg story.

So when we were five, my parents said we're going to this political demonstration, you know, against the House and American Affairs Committee. And we're like, what is that? And they said, well,

they're the people that won't let Pete Seeger on TV. And we love Pete Seeger. We used to listen to his records all the time. And we're like, no, no, you're not getting a babysitter. We have to go. And I had a sign that said, Hugh X should get five cents a day for bubble gum. Why?

Because I thought it was a little harsh to completely defund them. And my sister's picket sign said put Pete Seeger on TV. And people looked at us and they thought our parents put us up to it. No, we insisted that we had to go. That is the best. Now, didn't Vince Vaughn marry a girl from Calgary? I mean, aren't we tying this all too? together, Ted Cruz, me, Vince Vaughn,

didn't he marry a real estate girl in Calgary? I don't remember, but I did once see him in a sandwich shop in L.A. All right, 17. So the winner, the two finalists are going to be Jank and Khadija, both of who got the big bonus for fooling all of the panelists. And so here is how this is going to work.

Two of the audience, two of the auction participants have submitted their own lies to this game. So there's going to be a third truth from both you, Khadija, and you, Jank. And a third true, true thing. It is going to be mixed in with two lies. One of the lies is going to be something that I made up. The other lie is going to be something from the auctioneer, from an auction winner.

You are going to have to try to sell all three of them as though they're all true. There will be no cross-examination. It's just going to be an audience poll. The winner of this game is which person fools the audience better. So give me one more second to go to my other. thing and put this in here. No, that's the wrong thing. Folders for markup, here it is. So this is going to be, I'm going to send this to you, Khadija, in just one second.

Okay. I am sending this, I'm going to email it to you, Khadija. Oh, actually, do I have your email address? Can you give me your email address? You sent me an email earlier this evening. I did send you an email earlier this evening. Cool science. Yeah, if you give out our email address, everybody's going to be asking her for the research on microbiology on tofu.

That is actually, Joel. No, only I want it. I'm going to be blowing up her email. Don't do that. Okay. And then, uh, no idea, Jake. I will privately send you in Zoom. I will send you your document.

Oh, wait a minute. I cannot send you. Okay. There's going to be a missing element. You're going to fill in that missing element with your truth, but I didn't get it beforehand. So you'll, you'll know what to do. Yeah. Okay. And so there is your documents. Make sure you can open it. Kadija, make sure that you can open yours. And we're going to go with Khadija first.

Checking my email and I don't see it in there. Okay, let me, I'm just going to send it to you. I'm going to send it to you in Zoom. Okay. Send it to you in Zoom. Sorry about this, everybody. And here. here is your document and jank you have yours and we and i don't see a document it says that you did something but i don't see a document in it you're in the thing you should have something that says docs dot google.com it's just a link oh my bad i see it now to a document and jank you're going to read those three claims and and when you say sell it steve are we pretending all three is ours Correct. You are pretending that all three of these are true to your life.

And you are trying to fool the audience as to which one is true. All right. So, Khadija, you can go first. Okay. I'm going to stress, remember, for the audience, there's going to be a poll on it. In this round, you are trying to guess the true thing. Two of them are lies. one sent in by me, one sent in by somebody who won an auction item. You are trying to guess the truth when we give out the polls, which will be in just a second. Okay. So I have an aunt who makes foam costumes that mascots wear. I had a letter to the editor published in Ms.

magazine when I was 12 years old. I have been living with MS for 26 years. Weird Al Yankovic's weird Al Yankovic once LOLL that one of my jokes during an internet chat y'all know how funny I am so this has got to be true so was that three or is that four okay so they got to guess which one of those is true right

yeah I gave you you gave me three and I had the four with one, right? Did I say? Okay. So can you repeat those? And I'll, one of them is one that we're going to eliminate immediately. But just repeat. Okay, wait a minute. Let me get the list again. I apologize for that. I might the document I gave you. Now I don't know where to put the document Fooey. And

rats. What did I do with it? I'll send it to again if you need it. Yes, please. I'm sorry. I'm an idiot. So, all right. You're just reading the three you're just reading the three claims that are on this document. Right. Well, I'm reading those three and putting in mind,

You're not putting in your own. Yours should already be in there. Remember how you had changed it. Okay. Does that make sense? Does that make sense? No. All right.

I'll read what I read before. Okay. I have an odd who makes foam costumes that, who makes foam costumes that mascots wear. I had a letter to the editor published in Ms. Magazine when I was 12. living with MS for 26 years and we're to L. Yankovitz. We're Al Yankovic once LOLed at one of my jokes during an internet chat. Okay. So we're going to switch this up a little bit. You're going to try to, we're going to do three of these things are not true. One of them is true. We're going to do a poll

with all four of them because I don't know what happened, but we're going to do that and we're going to determine which of these one, which one of these three things, four things, is true. And so, first one is aunt foam costumes. Ms. Magazine letter to the editor at age 12. One of them is MS. M.S., multiple sclerosis for 26 years, and one of them is Weird Al Yankovic. L.O.L. at Joke. in chat room. So we have that, save it, put it there, pulls. I don't know why it doesn't let me delete. All right.

It says that the other poll is Share results. Stop sharing. Maybe it'll let me deactivate that way. Apologies to everybody for this. Ended. activated good polls launch all right everyone gets the opportunity to try to vote in this poll remember you are trying to guess the thing that is true in the meantime uh jank

since you are here i'm going to i'm going to add something to your document. Oh, I see. Now, you're doing a late entrant to try to throw me off. Not a big deal. Not a big deal. I'm a professional, okay? People in the chat say that they're icing the kicker. Trying to get you, let's get it thrown off with the weight here. All right, I got it. All right, you guys, ready? Yes. That is, so we're ending this, this poll. in five seconds. Okay. We have ended this poll.

I'm sharing the results. The, what is your truth? Khadija. You're muted. Suspense. Sorry. My truth is that I did have a letter to the editor published at age 12. Yeah.

The truth is that you did have a letter to the editor. editor published at age 12. So 40% guessed your truth. All right. Jank, you should have four items. I do. Okay, you guys ready? Here we go. Um, so, uh, I once sat across from TNFA on a bus. I've got a lot of those stories. A lot of sandwich shops, a lot of buses. Speaking of which I once had a CIA director come up to me and tell me secrets and then tell me not to share them. I played 300 hours of Animal Crossing New Horizons game, which is deeply embarrassing, both because I did it and because I counted. And as a kid, I thought L-M-N-O was a single letter, you know, because H-I-J-K, L-M-N-O-P.

And to be fair to me, English was a second language. All right. Creating this thing right now. So the first one was Tina Faye Bus. Second one was CIA agent. What had happened with the CIA agent? The CIA director, please. Director.

Tell me secrets and told me not to share them. told you secrets not to share uh third one was the one where uh the fourth one was l mnop what was the third one uh it's the animal cross yes and three hundred hours of animal crossing new horizons or horizon whatever it is all right save it great put this thing in polls go to the bottom one launch A lot of hours. I don't even know what it is about. It is LMNO.

You would think that would be separate letters. All right. We're going to close this in five seconds. And Paul has ended. Jank, which one of these is the truth? You guys watch the show too much.

It's not fair. And then you put it in the chat. Yeah, it's the CIA director is true. CIA director is true. This was a match for the ages because the winner is the lowest score from the audience. In other words, the people that were fooled,

Jank had 41% guess the CIA director. Khadija had 40% guess the Ms. Magazine. Kadija has won a narrow, narrow victory. I am shocked you did such a much you did a much better job of selling all your lies I should have given some evidence for my all right I thought the element oh thing was pretty good come on yes final that was that was mine so final final thing to do in this thing is we are going to determine we're going to determine the five panelists we're not going to pull the audience We're going to determine by some amount of consensus, or you don't have to, but what was, who was the best liar of the five of you, who was the worst liar of the five of you, and what was the weirdest truth and the most entertaining lie?

So we'll spend about three minutes just going over some of these, and I can go back to some of people's claims if we would, if we would like to do. that. So Joan, labor and delivery nurse, Ted Cruz, Lessig Lizard, Cruz was not true, the telemarketer, Armando the Street Fighter video game, the Mexican cop, Vince Vaughn, Joel, Coastal England Trees, which was true, Kid Off of Credslist, which is true, 13 pets, which was not true. Cadija. I lost yours. Where is that? Uh, Khadija, which ones, which ones were yours again? Um, so I have, oh no, here it is for a House on American Activities Committee, four continents, microbiology of tofu. And then, uh, jank, what were your three? Because I,

I don't have them written down. Uh, my three were the circumcision, uh, the meteor idea for the movie and the three knives. Uh, which, which is the weirdest truth, ladies and gentlemen, among these truths, and which is the most entertaining lie? Definitely the Craigslist. The best truth is buying a kid off-ness. That's amazing. Yeah, and I definitely want to read that book when it comes out. It's a really, a really good story because he had been on the streets for a long time, and now he has his masters in social work all because of him and he's he's doing the work he's actually he's been

working with houseless people ever since and he worked in shelters while he was living in one so how about the most entertaining lie but uh the the nat the animal crossing lie came from natalie um eclectic miscellaneous as jegg says gave us the lie about um gave the lie about Ms. Magazine. The rest of the lies were from me. No, no, no. We had a lie about the... The Ms. was true.

Oh, the mid-magis was true. We had the lie from Ecclectic about Weird Al-Yankevik was his lie. I just want to say I thought for sure that one of my lies or my truth, one of my truths was going to win. because it's not fair. I have like these directors and CIA guys and all this stuff. And Joel just totally kicked my ass with that amazing story of getting the kid from the Craigslist. And I agree with Eric that the real question is whose book is going to come out first. Joel's are mine. You know what, Jake, you and I, it's going to be neck and neck.

I think it's going to be neck and neck because I know I've got the one that has pictures. I do. I'm a Q-U-I-T press-on. That's awesome. Yeah, I had to win. So, you know, and then actually, my girlfriend is Anita Schumacher, who is the organizing director of Washington State. So, yeah. So, yeah, so it's, so I was, like, really excited.

I'm like, I want to be a part of this. I got you. I'm kind of used it up. So. Last question in service. of time. Who do we agree was the best most skilled liar of the five

of us, of you guys? I thought Joan was great at life. John and Kadirka there's so anything. Yeah. I think Joe points that one. All right. So we're going to continue playing other games. Jank, you are relieved

of obligations for the night. But if you want to say something before you go. Yeah. I just want say, I guess one thing. So look, guys, you know, we've been around for 10 years and we've had some amazing moments, both together as friends and, you know, working together, people that didn't know each other, but now know each other, love each other, et cetera. We've also had some amazing victories. We've had tough times, hard-breaking losses.

we've had you know parties turn against us we have lived sometimes we'll do two truths and a lie about wolf pack one day um so uh did two rain did a double rainbow actually come out after winning the committee in washington um did they really sing uh what was it amazing grace amazing grace in vermont after the victory anyway uh so uh so but through the hard times why have I remained hopeful? One, keeping it real, there is no choice.

The only other choice is surrender. So that's never going to happen. And so that's point one. Point two is I know we're going to win. And so it's a little unfair because the plan was always to get the media support because without media, it's super, super hard to get our message out, right? And to be able to affect how politicians think

and how folks think about these issues. And part of the reason I started just Democrats was to get legislators to make that argument for us. And that's been challenging. There's been other priorities. And this has got put in the back burner a little bit and I was not super happy about that. But we've tried a hundred different things, et cetera.

But good news, TYT is going really great, okay? And we will be one of the major news networks. So already we're winning online in many different ways. But we're going to get to a point where we're large enough, we're going to be able to move the national narrative. We just are. And what I'm going to do, and I promise to you guys, and you know it and you'll see it,

is anyone who is in favor of corruption and money and policy, politics, I am going to embarrass them so thoroughly until, and I'm going to do it to enough politicians and end their careers enough times, that until somebody goes, this isn't fair, man, we can't fight this. They have all the volunteers in the world. You don't have any volunteers have signed up for Wolfpack throughout the years? Over 50,000, okay? And we're going to get right wing to join us, and some already have, but we're going to get it a

lot more. And it's going to be an amazing movement of actual left wing and right wing working together. And we are going to get enormous popular support behind this. We're going to take this base of volunteers that is amazing. And we're going to put them in all the states. And I'm going to get you the media cavalry. And when we join all of those forces in a pincer move, if you will, we're going to out the corruption and it is going to be too humiliating for them not to give in. And if they don't, we're going to eliminate enough of them until they realize, oh, if I want to keep my power, I don't have a choice. I must give in a wolf pack. So we're going to say from here on out, I'm going to say you guys are going to say it.

When we talk to legislators, we must insist. Okay. So you might have this reason and that reason, and you got a policy paper from this group or that group, and somebody else called you, that's not interesting to us. We must insist that you be against corruption because we can't do this without democracy. We just can't do anything without democracy. So we will forever insist, and we will win. All right. I love you guys.

Have fun. I don't know if I mentioned this, but wolf dash pack.com. go okay all right guys thank you very much jay thanks jane have good night all right thank you guys all right i want to take this opportunity for anybody that wants to do movie clips with me steve geller music at gmail dot com i'll give you instructions we have tons of stuff to do also uh josh man behind the thing can you make beau either a host or a co-host He's already a co-host. Okay.

While we are setting up for Bo to do this thing, I actually do a bunch of things here. I'm going to play a couple of minutes of music of mine because one of the auction elements items is I do a song for you. And so, Bo, while you are setting up, I will play a, oh, Bo, what are we doing? let's do the jackbox game of the polls all right and so let me find this before you go Steve I have to say that you

undersold your item it's actually one of the hot tickets of the auction that has multiple bids yeah wonderful let's keep it going so this is just a couple of minutes of various songs of mine Beau when you're ready just when you're ready to do

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Okay. That entire thing is going to be attached as a link to that thing. But in the interest of time, we're going to move on. Josh, can you make co-hosts or whatever we do of Bill, yourself, Natalie, Josh? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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