The Young Turks - American Constitution, Who? - October 25, 2025

Episode Date: October 28, 2025

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Conditions apply. I want to try and get to have an event. possible. I'm hearing I'm not doing well. Hello. The God! All right, welcome the Young Turks, Jay Cougar, Jordan Yule with you guys. Big day ahead, we've got lots of Donald Trump news thinking about running again. For what? Are you kidding me? They're thinking of going to war again. Of course, this time with Venezuela, more updates from Lindsey Graham about how they're going to attack. We've gone disasters pretty much in every direction. And we've got a big show ahead for you guys. Tonight, by the way, Anna is going to be on CNN at 10 o'clock Easter. Make sure you're checking her out. She's going to light into some of the issues and guests there, including Trump's. potential third term, which we're going to talk about as well right now. Yep, start with this.

Sir, Steve Bannon said in a recent interview that there could be plans for you to be able to run and potentially win the current term in 2028. Is that something you'd be feeling the challenge of the board to be? Well, I haven't really thought about it. I have the best ball numbers I've ever had. I would love to do it. I have my best numbers ever. It's very terrible, I have my best numbers. If you read it, am I not ruling it out? You'll have to tell me. This morning, Donald Trump refused to rule out a third term as president, despite it being blatantly unconstitutional. Now, before we get into more of the details, Jank, what do you make of this? They are continuing to hint at it, and it seems like all signs are pointing to, they're going to try

What do you think? This is why we have no King's protests. So the right wing is always like, oh, I can't believe you guys are calling him authoritarian. Dude, what's running for a third term about? There is no such thing. It's in the Constitution. It's super clear. We're gonna give you more details here because he, they have one particular avenue that they

thought was kind of cute, but Trump has apparently ruled that one out, but I wouldn't count on him ruling anything out. Does he want to stay in power, Jordan, despite what the US Constitution says, despite America being a democracy, etc. Of course, of course he wants to stay in power. The most important part of this, Jordan, is the MAGA reaction. Why? Because he's testing the waters here. Are his voters going to back him up and encourage him to do it again, or are they going to say no? This is how he does it. They use the excuse of trolling. We'll explain all of it now. Yeah, now his statements came a few days after Steve Bannon claimed yet again that there is

a plan to keep Trump in office for another term. He said Trump is going to be president in 28, and people ought to just get accommodated with that. Now, the Constitution is incredibly clear on this issue. The 22nd Amendment reads, no person shall be elected to the office of the president more than twice. And no person who has held the office of president or acted as president for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected, president shall be elected to the office of the president more than once. But some of Trump's supporters have floated a plan that they argue would circumvent the U.S. Constitution. It would include him running for vice president in 28 as J.D. Vance's running mate. And then having Vance resign.

But today, Trump said he was ruling out that particular scheme. Take a look. One theory on how you might try to serve a third term is that you could run as the vice president. Yeah, I'd be allowed to do that. Is it the White House or the White House counsel's here as a big old position? No, you'd be allowed to do that. But I wouldn't want. I wouldn't. I think it's too cute. Yeah, I wouldn't rule that out because it's too cute. I think the people wouldn't like that. It's too cute. It's not, it wouldn't be right. And he also revealed who he thinks would make a good Republican ticket if he were to step aside. Take a look. We have some very good people, as you know.

You said that we're 2028. We're very good people. Well, we have great people. I don't have to get into that, but we have one of them standing right here. We have JD, obviously. The vice president is great. I think Marco is great. I think I'm not sure if anybody would run against us. I think if they ever formed a group would be unstoppable. I really do, I believe that. I would I would love to do it. Now his refusal to rule himself out of the race in 2028 shouldn't be surprising. In March NBC's Kristen Welker told Trump in an interview that she'd heard him

joke about serving a third term multiple times. And in response, Trump said, no, I'm not not joking. I'm not joking. So it seems perfectly clear, Jack, and I think your point is a good one. This is why we have events and mass mobilizations like the no king's protest. The right will say, well, we don't have a king. But they're saying on the right, right now, they want one, and they want it to be Trump. What do you think? Yeah, so that's a little bit more in question. So we'll get into that in this second. First, I want to go to some of our members here because I I think they make a lot of good points, and we'd like the show together with you guys. Hit the join button if you can to become one of those members.

Ian Goulbus says, what's even funny, the conservative party pushed for the two-term limit amendment in response to FDR. Absolutely right. So, but for conservative leaders, their goal is clear, which is power. The Constitution is optional. Democracy is optional. Power is what's important. Again, we'll get to the voters in a second.

Nerd Ferguson said Trump would be 86 or 87 at the end of a third term. At that point he could stay in politics, he'd be the ideal age to fit in with our Senate. Good point, okay. I was going to say, don't give many ideas. But by the way, if you're on the right, Trump could run for the Senate, the House. He could ask to be appointed to the Supreme Court. He can do all those things. There's nothing preventing him from doing that.

He just, you can't be pro-constitution and say, who cares about the Constitution? we just want to run again and again again. So that's just a fact. If that fact makes you uncomfortable, that's fine, but you got to resolve it somehow. You have to either say, well, of course I'm not for a third term. That's ridiculous. Or of course I'm not for the Constitution. I hate the Constitution.

Okay, or you hate that provision in the Constitution. That's fair. Michael Pristano says Trump never cared about the Constitution. He just wants to have as much power as possible for as long as possible. It's that simple. You can boil 99% of his decisions down to that fact. When it comes to Trump, yes, I agree with that completely. I think that he thinks, why wouldn't I want more money and power and fame?

Where's the question? Well, the question is democracy, the Constitution, America, Western civilization. To him, those are just inconveniences. I don't think he cares about those as ideas or philosophies. And if you do, you're on the right and you care about those things, you're projecting your beliefs onto him. He's never shown that he cares about those things. This episode is brought to you by prize picks.

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In fact, that's partly what they're worried about. That's why when Steve Bannon has been asked about it, because he keeps bringing it back up, he said, well, we have an idea for that. They're going to try to move this whatever ideas they have, which is nonsense. They don't have any ideas. Their idea is, why don't we go for fascism, okay?

Or do this stupid QC trick, which, you know, I mean, like, I can't give Trump any credit on this. He's the one going, oh, maybe I'm right for a third term. And I'm not joking, I'm not joking, right? So all right, he ruled out the idea that's too cute by half on the running his vice president and having the vice president step down. But that was the only idea I've seen that they've actually put out there, which is not that clever.

But when Bannon's asked about it, he's like, well, no, we can design in a way where only Trump can run, but Obama can't. Tell me that you're afraid of Barack Obama without telling me you're afraid of Barack Obama. Tell me that you're not actually in favor of democracy without telling me you're not actually in favor of democracy. Because if you want to say third term, look, I'm not a big Barack Obama fan. I don't necessarily wouldn't necessarily want him to run again, okay? But apparently banning Trump and all the other leaders of the Republican movement are like, oh, no, not Obama, not Obama. We have to double cheat. We have to, our guy can run, but your guy can't run,

because we think your guy would kick our guy's ass, and he's way more popular. So we're going to maneuver everything so that he can't run, but we can, all right, then you're, you're admitting that you want to cheat. You want to get rid of the Constitution. You don't want to play by the rules. You hate our democracy. Just admit it. Just say it. Why doesn't Steve Bennett just say it?

Okay? You hate our democracy. Everybody knows that Steve. I don't know why you can continue to hide it. You said it a billion times in other ways. Oh, wouldn't it be great if these people weren't allowed to do that? And those people weren't allowed to do this. And only me and my fellow Republican leaders and our fake walls and all the other scams

rerun are the ones who should be the only ones who have a voice. who have a voice. Yeah, I get it, man. I get it. Some in right wing leadership love that kind of talk, power for power's sake. That's not what this country was built upon. Okay, so when it comes to the voters, Jordan, look, do I see the cat turds of the world like, yay, fascism is awesome. By the way, they don't call us fascists. Let's be fascist. Make up your mind. Which turd of whichever animal you are make up your mind. Do you want to be fascist or do you believe in America? Oh no, I believe in America, man.

Trump, man. Trump looks like me. People look like me. That's not America, brother. That's not America, brother. That's not America. That's like old school Germany or something. So Americas were all equal.

We believe in justice for everyone. And equal rights, not an equal opportunity, not equality of results. But you don't want any of that. You don't, so just be honest about it. In terms of the rest of them, Jordan, I don't think so. Look, I think that this one, the percentages I'm not sure about, or is there a big chunk that says, yeah, Trump, no matter what, screw the Constitution, there probably is a decent chunk of right-wingers who think that.

Are there a bunch of people who voted for Trump would go, third term? What is he going to be 98? And I read the Constitution, I took civics in eighth grade. No, no, he's just. He's just trolling, he's messing with you guys. And they, like I think half of them at least genuinely believe that no matter how many times Steve Bannon and Donald Trump say, we're not joking, we hate the Constitution, we want the power, that's the only thing we care about.

No matter how many times they say they go, they're just trolling, they're just kidding. And I think that those guys genuinely believe they're trolling because they think, really, you hate America that much? This one's crystal clear. Do you hate our Constitution that much? And on this one, which makes sense, nah, so they can't quite believe that their leadership actually is that on American. Yeah, I am curious to see how this plays out.

And granted, there's a lot of time between now and the 2028 election. I do think that they will at least try it. I don't know how it'll go in the primaries, but with so many different aspects of Trump's administration, his behavior, his violation of our norms or our laws, it all relies on whether or not there's a contingent large enough in the Republican Party to push back against it. And time and time again, they have shown they're unwilling to do so. Now the element here is, well, that's another term that other presidential hopefuls are removed from or eliminated from contention.

So there's a little bit of a self-serving interest. I'm sure they're going to say it now when they're far away from this election cycle. But I do think some of them are not going to want him to run again because they're getting old too. They want a shot. Everyone's in it for themselves. While they might publicly support Trump, there's a lot of self-serving in our politics. So that's one component. I'd be curious to see how this stacked right-wing Supreme Court would rule on an inevitable challenge to his candidacy, but also it's very loft to be lofty to be talking about this now, knowing how the presidency ages everybody and knowing that Trump is in poor health. We just heard today from Axios that Trump

had a previously unannounced MRI at Walter Reed within the past couple months on top of another surprise visit to Walter Reed. So he is not doing well. There's been a lot of speculation over the past several months about potentially serious health conditions affecting him. We saw those bruises on his hand. You saw the swelling of his ankles. None of this points to somebody who is in a good health state. And I think, like I'm saying, it's lofty to think that he might be around for another seven years if you include the four years of the potential illegal unconstitutional third term. Yeah, look, I just can't stand this brazen attack on the Constitution. Are there parts of the Constitution you want to amend? Of course, especially

the way the Supreme Court has ruled, right? The Supreme Court has ruled at first. amendment means you're allowed to bribe any politician you like. And we'll call it a campaign contribution or an independent expenditure or we'll call it a gratuity after the fact, right? So do I want to amend the Constitution to fix that part? Yes. Have some parts of the Constitution been misinterpreted? Yes. And that happens with the Supreme Court deciding cases all the time on what different words mean, what different phrases mean, et cetera. But this one has no lack of clarity at all. No one outside of Steve Bannon and Donald Trump, have ever questioned this amendment. It's crystal clear. And by the way, the American people love it. There's no big movement.

Oh my God, I wish that people could. I mean, Obama was, whether you like them or not, was very popular. There was no movement for a third term because people believe this is a core American principle. It's in our constitution for good reason. What is Trump doing? He does the testing of the waters. And then if it doesn't work and people don't like it. And then he goes, oh, I was just trolling. He doesn't even say it. Usually his handlers will say it. Oh, he was just trolling in Einstein.

If it does work, then he goes, oh yeah, I meant it. Of course I meant it. Come out right away, right away, let's do it. So how are we going to tell if it's going to quote unquote work or if he's going to retreat on this one? Because he does retreat quite often. I mean, that's why that markets even have a word for it. Taco, right?

Trump always chickens out. So I don't think he always chickens out. I think he chickens out some of the time. And sometimes he doesn't, depending on the reaction. The stock market reaction, world, world markets reaction, and in this case, MAGA's reaction, and independent and other Trump voters. So Jordan, last thing is for you, right? So I think the Tim Dillans of the world and the Theo Vons and Andrew Schultz, I think they're gone already. I think that if Trump was like, yeah, I should be

king, I should run for a third term, an eighth term. They'd be like, shut up, dude. No, no, hell no. And it would affect a lot of independents that voted for Trump last time, and it'd be a bad idea. I think would say hell no, I'm not as sure as I am with the other three. Do you think that those guys are going, no way, we love Trump, we ask you to vote for Trump, we bow our heads to Trump, screw the Constitution, we want Trump to do this. And that's question number one. Question number two is do you think that makes a big difference or no? So I think it depends on what our circumstances are in 2027.

I think if some of these more systemic issues are addressed, I don't think they will be. I'm just saying, in a hypothetical scenario, you know, say Trump has like cracked down on like private, it's laughable to think about, but things like private equity buying up homes or there's some sort of new Trump care health plan or wages are going up. You know, if we are in some like booming economic period and people's material needs are maybe even increasing. from mentally being met better than they are now, maybe, maybe they would find a way to justify it. I don't think that's going to be the case. I think when you are living in a hyper-capitalist society like we are, in late-stage capitalism, things are only going to continue to deteriorate. So I think it might be easy for them to be against it.

I don't I don't want to discount the impact. I do think they will help shape some people's opinions, but I think it would be much more than that. I think there is a large moderate contingent in this country who will recognize this as an authoritarian power grab. But I do worry about a scenario, we have seen the ascension of authoritarians to power in years past and decades past using a populist economic starting point to hold on to and retain power. And if Trump were to do literally anything for people, literally anything that doesn't just enrich his family or his billionaire buddies, it might be more palatable to people like that who don't really care about the Constitution or who might find themselves willing to look past it because of their own financial well-being.

Yeah, to your point, within two years when the primaries really get going, I think that Trump will be so despised that all this will be moot. And why, guys? And if you're on the right or you voted for Trump, why? The economy, let alone everything else. Yeah, Jordan's right. What is he done for you? He gave you a nickel and a dime, right, on the tax cuts, just like the Democrats do. Oh, he gave you 5% change, 10% change. Meanwhile, he gave 100%, 200% to the richest people in the country to the corporations, just like Joe Biden gave all the corporate subsidies to the chip manufacturers, et cetera, and bragged that it was going to help the American people. We said on this show, no, it's not. And it's not going to help the Democrats because you didn't

deliver for them. And I'm saying the same thing about Trump. Because all these politicians, they all talk a good game, they get into power. What do they do for you? Almost nothing. What do they do for themselves and their donor friends? Almost everything. So Trump's playing that same establishment playbook. And this time, if I'm wrong, it catches up with him. So we'll find out. And he'll find out. the stage of business you're in. Visit TD.com slash small business advice to find out more or to

match with a TD small business banking account manager. and women in uniform, you're not murdering anybody. You're making America safer by going after a narco terrorist. You're following lawful orders. In a wild interview on Face the Nation, Senator Lindsey Graham stated that when the Trump administration murders people on boats in the Caribbean, it doesn't actually count as murder. Graham also stated that he wants the United States military to take land actions in Venezuela, more on that later. But Jank, what do you make of this claim that what the Trump administration is doing in the Caribbean? Bombing these boats, killing people on these boats, isn't murder because they're a narco-terrorists.

Yeah, first of all, even if they were narco-terrorists, you're still murdering them. So you could play around with words all you like, but that's what it is. Now, words that matter is, extrajudicial killing. And is that what this is? No question about it. Why, because did they ask a court? Didn't ask a court. Did they go through due process?

They didn't go through due process. Did they present any evidence that these people are guilty? No, they didn't, in fact, the Colombian president says that at least one of the boats was a fisherman's boat. And they murdered a bunch of fishermen. But whether they murdered fishermen or people they're claiming without proving are narco-terrorists, it's murder either way. It's an extrajudicial killing either way. And it is wildly illegal, let alone the war that it might start, which we're going to talk about. And now we have more clips from that interview to show you.

But first, let's be clear about who stands to gain from a regime change operation in Venezuela. Maria Corina Machado, who just won the Nobel Peace Prize, is a key figure in the Venezuelan political opposition to President Nicolas Maduro. Machado has touted an economic plan to American and other investors saying that a Democratic Venezuela under her movement's control has the potential to generate 1.7 trillion in wealth in 15 years. Now in June, she told American corporate representatives, our message to the oil companies is, we want you here. Certainly, we want you here not producing crumbs of a couple hundred thousand barrels a day. We want you here producing millions of barrels a day. As for Senator Lindsey Graham, his career donations from the defense industry,

individuals, 569,000 packs, 593,000. So of course, there is money behind his position, despite, you know, seemingly he's a Warhawk in and of himself. According to Open Secrets, he's taken over $1.1 million from individuals and packs associated with the defense industry over the course of his career. So keep all of that in mind as we show you this clip of Lindsay Graham cheering for land strikes in Venezuela. You don't need an aircraft carrier to hit drug boats. Our land strikes planned. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a real possibility. I think President Trump's made a decision that Maduro, the leader of Venezuela is an indicted drug trafficker, that it's time for him to go,

that Venezuela and Colombia have been safe havens for narco-terrorists for too long. And President Trump told me yesterday that he plans to brief members of Congress when he gets back from Asia about future potential military operations against Venezuela and Colombia. So there will be a congressional briefing about a potential expanding from the sea to the land. I support that idea. But I think he has all authority he needs. Now Margaret Brennan also asked Graham if American troops would be deployed as part of this operation. And here is his response.

You said time for Maduro to go. That sounds a lot like regime change. Are you talking about troops on the ground? I'll let the president speak to that. I'm talking about a briefing that would expand military operations potentially from the sea to the land. It is time for Madura to go. Finally, Brennan called Graham out on the legality of the Trump administration's strikes on those boats. Let's see how he handled that. I know you personally used to serve as a judge advocate in the Air Force.

Yeah. We looked at the JAG manual, preventative self-defense employed to counter non-imminent threats is illegal under international law. So if we are not at war, and these suspected criminals pose no threat of imminent violence, isn't this potentially a war crime to be killing the people on these boats and then to be taking out a leader? No, not at all. I don't know what manually referring to, but I know what President Bush 41 did.

He took down Ortega, the leader of Panama, because he was involved in drug trafficking, threatening our country. Venezuela is now partnering with Hezbollah. Hezbollah is running out of money because Iran is weak. That's not new. They're partnering with drug cartels in Venezuela. No, it should have stopped. Here's what's what's new. You got a commander chief's not going to put up with this crap.

Jenk, what do you make of this? All right, so first of all, the idea that Venezuela and Hezbollah are working together is just a load of crap. Jonathan Larson, our former managing editor here, broken down brilliantly. He's two Yahoo's, one of them is an Israeli citizen that's trying to get out like criminals from Venezuela and get their cash out, etc. They're the ones that are making up all this nonsense about how, oh, Venezuela, we have. We have to kill them all. We have to kill them. We have to go to war.

Hezbollah, Iran, they're with the dangerous Muslims. It's, I mean, Jesus, how do they bring Hezbollah into everything, right? So just totally made up garbage from Lindsey Graham. Check out Jonathan Larson's substack. You'll see the article I'm talking about. Okay, more nonsense. Oh, it's an imminent threat. The boats are going to, the first set of boats that they bomb, we're going to Trinidad.

How's a little speed boat? speed boat going to get from Venezuela to America without running out of gas. I mean, their lies aren't even close to like being true. And they just don't even care at all. There's like a guy in a dinghy pulling like a thing. I'm exaggerating. But they bombed the living crap out of the other go. He was about to come to America. And he was going to bring enough drugs. Trump said on one of those tiny little boats. This was not exaggeration. This is he literally said would have killed 25,000 Americans, that little tiny boat, 25,000 Americans? How would they get fit a world of drugs? Come on. They're not, come on. Okay, so if you go

to land, as Lindsey Graham is saying, the reason why he paused with that answer, so does that mean ground troops? He was like, he's like, yes, let ground, that's for the president. That's for the president. Of course he wants ground troops. Of course he does. How are you going to do a land war without ground troops? So nonsense, they're trying to, but you know, even if you're right you know you hate Lindsay Graham, right? Lindsay Graham is top neocon in the Senate. So now that John McCain and Joe Lieberman are gone. He's like the, he's the one amigo holding down the fort.

War with everyone. He says, Hezbollah for everyone. Everyone's Hezbollah. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. We've heard this a billion times. What a giant liar. So Maga, you're going to go back to the giant lying neocon establishment jerks who got us into every war that you hated?

He's telling you're right there. We're going on land. We're going to invade Venezuela. Is that what you voted for? I thought you voted for anti-war. You voted to invade Venezuela for oil companies? Now to back to Lindsey Graham, we gave you over a million dollars you taken from defense contracts at a bare minimum.

That's stuff that's public. A lot of times super PACs funnel money to these guys that isn't necessarily the public. In fact, we had a spectacular case that we showed you a couple of weeks ago where Larry Ellison, we found out through his emails that were leaked, had given Marco Ruby a five million dollars to kiss Israel's ass. Nobody even knew about it because it was done through a super pack. And then there's dark money. All that is, Lindsay Graham has been loaded up with every conceivable legalized bribe there is. And that's before we get to the oil companies who are also bribing Lindsey Graham and almost all the corporate Republicans. And you know, the corporate Democrats also take money from these figures. But at least to be fair

to them, they're not driving for a rando insane war in Venezuela. So look, more great comments by our viewers and our members. On YouTube, the Linux, yes, is a member, wrote in questions. What does it take Americans who buy these drugs? What does that make the Americans who buy these drugs and provide a market for the so-called narco terrorists? But first of all, that's a great point. I love doing this show with our paying members.

Hit the join button below, become part of the show. If you're on YouTube, if not t.com slash join. But let's talk about what he's saying. So forget the guys buying the drugs. There's tons of drug dealers here in America. And they're the ones directly selling to the guy. And then the guy dies if he has a fentanyl overdose, et cetera, et cetera. So is that guy now a narco terrorist?

And by these precedents that they're setting, do we not have to have a trial for them? Do we not even have to arrest them? Can cops just go up to them and shoot them in the head and kill him dead in the street and as a narco terrorist. Wait, that was an American citizen. We didn't even do a trial. We don't even know how he got there.

Shut up, who cares? Boom, boom, boom. Let's just kill everybody. They're all narco terrorists. Well, how do we know they're narco terrorists? I just said it. No, that's not how America works. The president just declaring someone an enemy of the state and murdering them is not how

America works. It's also not how the world works. It is wildly illegal under international law. More importantly, it's wildly illegal under U.S. law. That's why she asked that question to Lindsay Graham. And Lindsey Graham knows that, but he's like, yeah, but so what? Are my donors going to get paid yet? They're going to make billions, maybe even trillions if you start a war this large.

Who's going to pay them? Well, the U.S. taxpayers are going to funnel all of your money over to the my donor class so that your anti-war candidate can start another giant disastrous war. So, and by the way, Jordan, they're not, we keep talking about Venezuela. Lindsey Graham in that same interview also threatened Colombia and said we might be starting a land war there too. Columbia was our top ally in Central America and in Latin America and in South America. Now all of a sudden we're gonna invade them to, how many countries are we're gonna invade with the anti-war president? Yeah, that's what I find so rich about all this.

I mean, the Trump administration, the Trump family, their whole team pointed to how he was the no new wars president in his first term. Now obviously we know that's bogus when you were just continuing forever wars around the world and inching closer to a potential new cold war. God forbid a hot war with places like China. But what's this? You're just bombing fishing boats. You're killing random people and saying we're going to do a land invasion. They've already threatened Mexico. Now you're saying Venezuela and Colombia, but I think what's really dangerous here is this rhetorical slight of hand the administration and top Republican allies are using to justify these strikes. Now, of course, we know, and thankfully Margaret Brennan pointed out

this is illegal. But what they're trying to do here is use the designated terrorist organization label and this threat that, oh my God, if they were coming over with the drugs, they're going to kill us, they're going to harm us. It's all in self-defense and that in their eyes allows Trump to act unilaterally without approval from Congress, without the traditional methods that presidents typically ignore. They're saying it's an even more streamlined process of power consolidation. Nick Turst at the Intercept has done some tremendous reporting on this front. Talk to experts, legal experts, people in the government who warned what this looks like if this continues unchecked, which it seems it will, but also at the same time, this same exact labeling,

being used to describe domestic groups, organizations, or people. And it's, again, God forbid this happen, but it's not hard to imagine what the consequences might be if they continue to use the same labeling, the same fearmongering over the threat, and the same self-defense justification. Yeah, my last two comments go to the members. One is from Twitch, Shee 70 wrote in. They had two survivors from the boat strikes and they let them go because of lack of evidence and they don't want the reality to undermine their narrative. Nice job, Shea 70th.

That's right. Thank you for reminding me of that. We captured two of the people from the boats. Oh, crazy, narco-terrorists, they have to be murdered right away. We let them go. Why do we let them go? Because we had no evidence on them. And if we try to try them, which is what the next step should be, you would all realize we've never had evidence on any of these guys.

We're murdering nearly random people in international waters. And it's not my actions or words that prove it, it's the administration's actions. If they were the such dastardly narco-terrorists that they were about to kill 25,000 people in America with the drugs they were bringing in, and you murdered the other people on the boat, why aren't you going to try them? Let me, shouldn't you bring them to justice? No, no, no, no, no, let him go right away, let him go. Please disappear, please don't let anybody find out you're innocent. Come on, man.

And then lastly, t.yt.com member, Rob 3 Chasaro said, I wonder what a ground war in Venezuela would do to the flow of immigrants to the U.S. So just another terrific point, man. I love smartest audience in the world. So if you're right wing, you voted for Trump or you're an independent, you voted for Trump. You voted for him why? You said anti-war was one of your top positions, definitely top to me, maybe number one. Maybe the economy is number one, immigration is number two, but anti-war was definitely top three.

Oh, right, the other one was immigration. And if you do a land war in Venezuela, let alone Venezuela and Colombia, do you have any idea how many immigrants will pour into this country, legal or otherwise? And that's what you think you voted for? No, the neocons are back, the establishment's back, the war mongers are back. And so no matter who you vote for, Democrat or Republican, you get Lindsey Graham and you get Benjamin Netanyahu. Those are the two constants, the two vile creatures that we are constantly having to deal with no matter who you elect. All right, we gotta take a break here.

When we come back, the mess inside the Democratic Party. two big things exactly the new iPhone 17 pro on tellus's five-year rate plan price lock yep it's the most powerful iPhone ever plus more peace of mind with your bill over five years this is big get the new iPhone 17 pro at tellus dot com slash iPhone 17 pro on select plans conditions and exclusions apply All right, back on TYT, Jay and join with you guys more news. Take a look at this. We have to go back and take a look at the tens of millions of people who have immigrated, quote, unquote, legally over the past 30 years, the Elon Omar's, the Medi Hassans, the Mamdamis of the world, who clearly came here with an intent to destroy the country, not to swear allegiance to it. And if we can find immigration fraud, something we know is wide. spread, then we need to denaturalize and deport these people.

That's Republican Congressman Randy Fine, a notorious bigot, and loyalist of Israel, calling for the deportation of New York mayoral candidate Zoran Mundani. And according to new reporting, he and his colleagues are taking actual steps to strip Mumdani of his citizenship. And before we get to that and their plan, Jack, what is your initial take here? I think Randy Fine is loyal to Israel above America. And I think Randy Fine is a terrorist sympathizer. I think Randy Fine should definitely be kicked out of Congress.

And we've got a question up on t.com about whether he should be kicked out of Congress. And I think that there's an argument to be made that traitors like him should be kicked out of the country. So I look forward to making that case after you hear the racist bigoted garbage that Randy Fine and Ogles are going to tell you. Yeah, now for context, Mamdani became a U.S. citizen in 2018 after immigrating to the United States as a child from Uganda. Randy Fine, along with his colleagues Andy Ogles, are pushing Trump's Justice Department to investigate Mamdani's path to naturalized citizenship. Rep Fine last week demanded the feds review every naturalization of the past 30 years, starting. with Mamdani. He told the New York Post, I think we need to take a hard look at how these folks become citizens. And if there is any fraud or any violation of the rules, we need to

denaturalize and deport. I know that there's a lot of us that are very, very concerned about the enemy within people who have come to this country to become citizens to destroy it. Now, here he is on the conservative What's Right show on Friday, arguing that Mumdani is a threat to the nation. Take a look. Why should every American, whether they live in Florida or they live in Nevada or any state outside of New York, outside of New York City, be concerned with Mr. Mamdami's what seems to be his meteoric political rise? and his likely assent to the mayor's mansion there in New York. Well, people should be concerned because he is a communist jihadist who seeks the destruction of the United States. And people should be concerned because that will start with our greatest city, New York.

They should be concerned because we can see how this movie ends. We can look at what is now the United Islamic Kingdom, an amazing country that had created so much culture and so much beauty that has now fallen to Islam and is no longer the country that it once was. We're only a few years behind. And frankly, there are not many places left where the conquest has not taken place. Now what about Representative Andy Ogles? For his part, he issued a call to, quote, deport Mamdani and branded him an anti-Semitic socialist communist who will destroy the great city of New York. On June 26th, he sent a letter to Attorney General Pam Bondi, pushing for a probe into whether Mamdani should be subject to denaturalization proceedings on grounds.

He may have procured U.S. citizenship through willful representation or concealment of material support for terrorism. Now here is the airtight evidence that he gave Newsmax back in June. In 2018, when he was naturalized, he failed to disclose some of the things that he had been doing, one of which was joining the Democratic Socialists of America. That's a communist organization, which, quite frankly, at the time, would have disqualified him from becoming a U.S. citizen. Now, you may have noticed that as Ogles himself stated there, the organization is called the Democratic Socialists of America, not the Democratic Communists of America, but Mumdani isn't sitting quietly amid fine and Ogle's

attempts to get him thrown out of the country. Here's how he responded on Saturday. Take a look. In a moment when Americans across the country are deeply fearful of whether they can afford the basic dignities of life, be it health care, be it groceries, be it their rent, the focus of the Republican Party is to try and denaturalize the Muslim guy that won the New York City Democratic primary with the most votes in our city's history. It just speaks to the fact that for the Republican Party, the only agenda they really have on offer is that of cruelty and punishment. Jack, what do you make of what they're trying to do here? Okay, so to what Mamdani said at the end there.

So he gets the most amount of votes in the primary in New York. The New Yorkers get to decide who their mayor is. He also gets the most amount of Jewish votes out of any of the candidates. But does that stop Randy Fein from calling him an anti-Semite anyway or Andy Ogles? No, of course not, because they don't care about what's true. All they care about is protecting Israel, especially Randy Fine. Randy Fine is a monster, he's not just a terrorist sympathizer. He's trying to get America to become terrorists.

He betrays our founding principles. He betrays every American principle. He's loathsome in every way. Okay, so let me prove it to you guys. So first off, he tweeted this about Gaza, released the hostages, until then, starve away. So collective punishment, starve all of the civilians and the children and the grandmothers in Gaza. Then, of course, he adds, this is all a lie.

Anyway, it amazed me that media continues to regurgitate Muslim terror propaganda. Yeah, it makes sure media, oh, they hate Israel. They love Muslim terrorism. That's why they're always pro-Muslim terrorism in mainstream media. Do you understand what kind of a lunatic Randy find is? How he's so detached from reality. He's like, this mainstream media is not pro-Israel enough. They love Muslim terrorists.

So he's, and as you saw there, he said that Mamdani is not only communist will come back to that. He's a jihadist, which is a very heavy charge. It's someone who's a terrorist looking to kill people here in America. He's running for a New York mayor. He calls him a jihadi. He says his ultimate goal is the destruction of the United States. Wait, when you have pro-Israel radicals like Randy Fine, every accusation is a confession.

So that makes me wonder, whoa, I thought Israel was just trying to rob us and get them to us to pay for all their genocides and all their war crimes and all their land acquisition, are they trying to destroy us too? Because I don't think that's true. But Randy Fine always accuses, and other pro-zero radicals always accuse others of what they themselves are actually doing. So here's another quote from Randy Fine. He said, we nuke the Japanese twice in order to get unconditional surrender.

That needs to be the same here. So he's saying, let's set off a nuclear bomb. Gaza and murder as many civilians as we can. Well, what is that? That's a terrorist. Randy Fine is advocating for America to become a terrorist country and to kill civilians in mass and not even for our benefit, but for the benefit of his, the country that he actually serves, which is Israel. So if you're gonna fly the Israeli flag higher than the American flag, you're gonna say we should murder innocent civilians and become terrorist. terrorists so that we could serve Israel more loyally.

Well, then you should get the F out of our Congress. And if you love Israel so much and you want to go nuke and starve Palestinians to show how much you love Israel, why do you get the F out of our country and go to the country you actually want to serve? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You don't want to do that because that would be too honest. Instead, you want to burrow your way into our Congress. I mean, why is APEC even giving him money?

This guy is a terrorist sympathizer who would do it for the sheer glee of murdering Muslims and Arabs. But nevertheless, they bothered to bribe him, $458,000 from APEC and other Israeli lobby to Randy Fine. Locals, on the other hand, is a cheap bitch and was bought for $40,000, but that doesn't tell you if he's got super PAC money and dark money, dark money flowing to him from radical Israeli supporters. But either way, they apparently don't understand the point of this country.

Everybody's allowed to think what they think. We're all free here. I know you don't want us to be free. I know you want to treat us like we're the Palestinians and occupy America. And like Larry Ellison said, we're going to make sure all the citizens behave. Okay, we're going to monitor all you guys. Okay, and Randy finds us, you oppose Israel. You're a jihadi.

You should be driven from the country. He says, oh, he's not loyal to America. He's got zero evidence on that. Of course, he's that fat ass doesn't need any evidence. He ate it already, okay? And yeah, I called him fat. That's how fat he is. Okay, and then he comes back around and he's like, well, do we should ban anyone from criticizing Israel?

We should ban anyone from being Muslim. We should ban, ban, ban, no, no, brother, it's called a First Amendment. Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, free to think whatever we want to think, even if your beloved terrorist government of Israel does not approve. Sorry. You want, oh, my might not like the Muslim. Cry about it, bitch. Oh, he says, oh, he's a united Islamic kingdom. that England and the UK and Great Britain, they've fallen.

The Muslims now control it, there's Sharia law. I mean, look, they get some really sad folks here in America. It's a small number, but they exist. There's a percentage on the right who believes that stuff. And they get all worried and, oh my God, the Muslims are gonna take over Tulsa, Oklahoma. We need to panic. Oh, I just wet myself.

Oh, the Muslims are gonna take over. Israel runs 90% of Congress and you're worried that the Muslims are going to take over? We've obliterated several Muslim countries on behalf of Israel. And you heard the Muslims are going to take over? Brother Israel already took over. Look at how cheap they buy bitches like Andy Ogles, let alone Randy Ford, murder them all for Israel, he says. America's last with Randy Fine. So apparently, forget to other people who support Israel. You should never put, like, Randy Fein's disgusting pro-terrorist propaganda on anyone else. No one deserves that, okay? I mean, there's pro-Israel radicals,

and then there's Randy Fine. Okay, but Randy Fine apparently wants to destroy this country on behalf of another country. He doesn't belong anywhere near prison. Go ahead, tell me dual loyalty trope. I beg you, I beg you to tell me dual loyalty trope. Because here they are, go, no, Mamdani and every Muslim is actually the actual real loyalties to the terrorists and the jihadis. They don't care about America at all, right? Okay, that's why is that not dual loyalty? Why is that not a trope? Oh, it's only a trope if you're talking about Israel.

Well, isn't that super convenient? You can say one of our members wrote in like, wait, I don't get here. Let me read it. Michael Prestano, member on t.com, said, I just never understand why it's socially acceptable in the year 2025 to be so openly and blatantly racist against Muslims. This is so strange. If Mamdani was any other race, these comments would be cancel worthy. Of course. But mainstream media in America are a bunch of racist, bigots who despise Muslims who work for Israel, who are like, oh, you're going to say you want to murder millions of Muslims? I'm perfectly fine. No one has even debated censuring Randy

fine. They censured Ilhan Omar over saying that for lobbyists, it's all about the Benjamins. The most accurate statement ever made. They were like, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, right? There's other guy's like, oh, dual loyalty. We should, he's a terrorist. All Muslims are guilty. And they're like, I don't see it. No problem.

Bravo, Randy Fine. Bravo, Bravo, Randy Fine. And what's the century? Where's the congressional hearings? Nothing. Because the mainstream media has poisoned American minds against Muslims. On behalf of Israel, my entire life, oh, Muslims are savages, terrorist, jihadis.

Muslims evil, evil, evil. We have to kill them on behalf of Israel. We have to kill them on behalf of Israel. No, we don't. The press is lying to you. These sold out politicians are lying to you. They're trying to make America last and make Israel first. That's what all of this is about.

Because Mamdani wouldn't bow his head to Israel. He wouldn't say that he was going to go kiss the wall and he was going to go and grovel to the Israelis. They asked them like 18 times in a debate, why won't you grovel to Israel? He's like, I'm running for New York. I want lower housing prices. Everybody in New York wants lower housing prices. They're like, shut up and serve Israel. All right, you racist, I see you.

We all see you. All these pro-Israel radicals, not just, Randy finds the worst of them. But there's so many pro-Israel radicals in this country who are so deeply racist against Muslims. You can't be racist against the religion. You have to call me a bigot. Fine, you're a bigot. Tons of these bigots running around betraying us for the country that they love, which is rule. Now that you are speaking for yourself, Corrine, do you have any regrets at all for anything that you said while you were speaking on behalf of this administration?

It's a simple yes or no, no, no, no, because you're asking for a yes or no question. I want to put some context to it, too. I woke up every day. I woke up every day, very proud to be the White House press secretary. I woke up every day as a black woman who is queer, who had never, no one had ever seen someone like me at that podium standing behind that lectern. It was an honor and a privilege to have that job. Former White House press secretary Karene Jean-Pierre's book launch landed with a thud, John Pierre's book, Independent, a look inside a broken White House outside the party lines released

on Tuesday, October 21st to less than stellar reviews. Now we'll get to what people are saying in a second, but her White House pivot, her post-White House pivot has been to leave the Democratic party and her establish herself as an independent, which is an interesting personal branding exercise for someone who spent the last few years defending everything the president did. More confusingly, her publicity tour for this book on her independence doesn't seem to involve any direct criticism of Joe Biden, namely Joe Biden's stance on Gaza. Take a look. I just wanted to talk to you a little bit about foreign policy. You didn't mention Afghanistan. You haven't mentioned Gaza, and you certainly didn't mention Gaza much in your book. I wanted to get

your thoughts out that. You stood at the White House podium speaking on behalf of the administration. You defended U.S. policy in Gaza at a time where there were mass civilian casualties, journalists being killed, whole families being wiped out, hospitals being bombed. And the international community was calling it what it was at the time, saying it was a violation, it was war crimes, and you defended the administration's policy. When you look back at that moment, do you regret any of the positions that you advocated for on behalf of the administration, the positions you take? Do you feel that you are complicit in advocating a narrative that turned out to be wrong? No, I appreciate the question because one thing that I really want to make clear is that I was speaking on behalf of the president.

That is the job of the White House press secretary. I'm not speaking for Corrine Jean-Pierre. I was speaking for Joe Biden. That's every White House press secretary. That is their job. You said now you speak for yourself, so. Hold on, hold on. Wait, I'm going to let me finish. No, no, I know. I just want to, because we're almost out of time.

I just like, go ahead. I'm going to get to it. Obviously, what's happening is heartbreaking. If she's unwilling to directly criticize Biden over foreign policy while speaking for herself, what, why is she leaving the party? Now, Becca Rothfield of the Washington Post in her review of Crane Jean-Pierre's book summarized it perfectly. Imagine parting ways with the Democratic Party not because of its unwavering support of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as he violated international law and waged a bloody campaign against civilians in Gaza, not because of its humiliating failure to mount meaningful opposition to the Trump administration's assault on just about everything of value in the country.

Not because it continues to run candidates in their 70s and 80s, one of whom opted to die in office at 90 rather than cede her seat to someone younger. Not because of its inability to expand access to health care or protect immigrants or tax the wealthy or really get anything done at all. Not because of its politely noncommittal effect and rhetoric of facile uplift or its member's tendency to address the public as if they are delivering the key. keynote at a corporate retreat, not because the Democrats have no political vision, something of a liability for a political party, but rather because of the single sensible, if very belated thing they have done in recent memory, which was to usher a daughtering Joe Biden out of the 2024 presidential race. And that's her issue here. It's that they pushed Joe Biden out, and perhaps the most damning press hit from her press tour came today in the form of a

a Q&A from the New Yorkers, Isaac Chottner, who is the absolute best at this. In response to Jean-Pierre lamenting this coordinated campaign within the Democratic Party to oust Biden from the ticket, Chotner asks, sure, but why were they doing that? She replied, because they believed he needed to step aside. There's more to this than just that period of time. This is very layered, right? There's a period of time that I questioned what was happening and how. How do we treat our own?

How do we treat people who are decent people? And then you also have to think about how I'm thinking about this as a black woman who is part of the LGBTQ community and living in this time where I also don't think Democrats right now, Democrats' leadership is protecting vulnerable people in the way it should. And Chautner says, sorry, I'm not trying to be dense. I'm a little unclear about what this has to do with Democratic leaders and many Democrats in this country thinking that Joe Biden was going to lose Donald Trump. Trump, which was what the polls all showed and therefore thinking that he should be replaced. She replies, okay, wait a minute, hold on a second. Nobody knows anything. Nobody knows what would have happened. People also thought that if you replaced Joe Biden, we were going to win or have a better chance of winning. Millions of people who showed up in 2020 didn't show up in

2024. We can't forget that there was an incumbency issue as well. This is real. There are like several G10 countries with incumbents who did not get reelected. There was an incumbency issue as well. John replies, I'm not sure what you're saying. Then later in the conversation, Jean-Pierre tried to make the case that polling has been wrong in prior elections and that polling showing Trump ahead couldn't be relied on. He says the polling was pretty accurate in 2020, but go on. Well, Okay, but remember, it was reported that there would be a red wave. You're right, there was a lot of talk of a red wave. She says, so there was no red wave. He was an incumbent, and he was the only person to have beaten Donald Trump. Those were the things that were true and in front of him,

and he was being encouraged by Democrats and leadership to run. So you have no concern, even to this day, that Joe Biden could serve as president through January 2029, he asks. She says, I did not see anything that would have given me concern. And Chottner says, but you watched TV like the rest of us, right? Jank, I can't wrap my head around what the core premise of this book is and why people should believe it. Because on the one hand, she's saying we need to be independent, we need to make her own choices, and I don't fit in either party.

But at the same time, she's saying that Joe Biden should have continued and stayed in the race. He would have been perfect. And there's nothing at all whatsoever that she saw. that would have dissuaded her from that point. What do you make of it? Yeah, I think she's vacuous, to be honest. I don't think she has any idea what she's talking about. She just keeps going back to the same old talking points.

I'm a black woman, now I'm queer, so what? So I'm a lot, that's it, you gotta listen to me. I'm a black woman, I'm queer. What does that have anything to do with what the hell we're talking about? Okay, I'm a Muslim man, that's it, you have to listen to me. Why, why? There's tons of millions of Muslim men who make no sense. Well, I don't know why you keep saying that.

What, what's, okay, so you left the Democratic Party. So what I remember when she said it, oh, that's it, I'm an independent. I was like, I was really curious. Okay, because I love independence. What is, what made you an independent? They were mean to Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. That's your reason? That's your reason.

And you're gonna rally people around that? Oh, I want to start a third party of independents who thought that the people in power were just too mean to Joe Biden. Biden, they should have covered up his dementia for much longer. And they should have, just like we did with flying side and just roll him around in a wheelchair and go, this is how he votes, shut up. They say, I'm a black queer woman. I'm telling you how he votes, shut up, don't question me.

That's your premise for an independent, please. Look, Becca Rothfeld that you quoted earlier, I can't believe they allowed this in the Washington Post. It must be a new day. Anyway, brilliant, scathing article about the book. I'm gonna read you two more quotes because I love it so much. She wrote, calls for an open primary were an insult to Harris. Jean-Pierre exclaims, never mind whether the vice president's coronation was an insult to voters who might have preferred to be consulted. Thank you, Becca.

Exactly right. Okay. So she's like, oh, they insulted Kamala Harris. Do they not know? She has the most important qualification. She checks off both woman and black and wait a minute and Asian. I won the, she won the gender identity. I mean, racial identity prize.

That's it. We win. That's not how it works, sister. It's just not. So last one here, because I can quote the entire thing for you. Check it out. Becker Rothfeld at Washington Post. Great job.

Jean-Pierre's true concern, her only real subject is the Democrats' lack of decorum. Instead of endeavoring to convince us that Harris was the best presidential candidate because of her platform or her popularity, Jean-Pierre's gestures, meekly at demographics and invokes tired dynastic norms. Harris was Biden's logical successor and she was clearly next in line and quote, bypassing her would have been disrespectful to black women overall. Never mind the rather central question or whether she was actually electable. Thank you, Becca Rothfeld, exactly right. And Karin, Jean-Pierre shows no interest in whether Biden and Harris are electable.

All she cares about it was black woman, black woman, to be respected. Powerful Democrat, Democratic leader, bow, everybody bow. No, we didn't bow, Corrine. We didn't bow. And if that makes you want to be an independent and be the only person in your political category, the one person obsessed with you, Kamala Harris, and Joe Biden's feelings, have at it, Haas. Try to start a movement around it.

But leave the rest of us alone, this is garbage. This is, I mean, it makes no sense. at all. So look, guys, the reason why I obsessed about all that, you know, identity politics garbage is because that is what has lost Democrats' elections time and timing. And not because they defend Muslims like me or transgender people or black people or women or queer people. No, that would be a winning strategy when we say we represent all Americans and we serve all Americans equally. No, Korean-Jean PR and some of the most corrupted Democrats, Don't say that. They say our identity should win. I'm a queer black woman. So who cares about the Palestinians? Yeah, we murdered the Palestinians. Yeah, Biden did that. I love Biden. You're being impolite to Biden. Yeah, that led to the massacre of 70,000 Palestinians at a bare minimum. 20,000 of their kids were destroyed, killed because we funded it. But who cares about the stupid Palestinians? I win on identity politics because I'm black. I'm a woman and I'm queer and you must listen to me. That's not.

how it works. And the last thing that Becker Rothfeld said that was so on point. Yes, but you're supposed to actually deliver for those categories of people. Not just say because I'm in one of those categories or multiple of those categories. I don't have to do anything. I don't have to deliver for black people, queer people, women. I don't have to deliver for anyone. And Biden didn't and Kamala didn't. But you're being impolite by questioning our leadership.

You should bow your head. Yeah, no absolutely no one is going to do that. So go and enjoy this non-political movement of someone who is so obsessed with themselves and their beloved bosses. The three of you can go have a party somewhere. Kamaharan says she's going to run again. Come on, can't wait to see you in the primary. No, no, no more Mr. Nice guy.

Okay, you run on that garbage and you'll find out. Okay, and you know what? good news. You could have Corrine Jean-Pierrez, your communications director. She'll be amazing at it. She'll do nothing but kiss your ass and not care about the actual Democratic voters, American voters, American citizens, Palestinians, or anyone else. Okay, lastly, Anna Kisperi and my co-host is going to be a CNN tonight. They're going to discuss the same thing. What is the state of the Democratic Party? One of the other panelists is going to be Mera Tandon, establishment 101, Washington, D.C. figure.

So that could be explosive. I don't know how it's going to go. CNN tonight at 10 o'clock Eastern. I don't often tell you to watch CNN. But Anna versus an establishment Democrat, that could be interesting. Just want to add one piece of context from, like what you were saying. She routinely in interviews and publicity events for this book has pointed to her identity. And look, to be clear, and I don't think anyone's interpreting this way, we have no problem. We celebrate more diversity, more inclusion, the further advancement of people who are in underrepresented or marginalized groups in this country. I think we're all on board with that.

What we don't like is the cynical deployment of that in spaces or conversations that are rooted in different substantive policy issues. And what was so interesting in that Chottner interview in the New Yorker was the cynical deployment of her identity on seven different occasions. He was asking her questions about things she wrote or things she claimed or the maneuvering. of the Democrats to oust Biden from the ticket because they knew it was going to be bad and lead to Trump's re-election. And on seven different occasions, she talked about her experience. No, like, I understand you have a different life and a different background, but in no way does that shape a national conversation on who should be the president. And she did it in the MSNBC interview. she continues to try to bring this up, when we're talking about something that is rooted in

millions of voters' perspectives and polling data that showed that Biden was not the guy. So on the one hand, yes, we want a more inclusive society. On the other hand, I reject the cynical deployment of identity politics in these conversations. Exactly. All right, we got to go. Jordan, thank you, brother. Appreciate it. Sharon's going to come up next.

We got a lot more stories for you guys, including Donald Trump, deciding that we're going to level devastating tariffs on our country because they hurt his feelings. Of course. We'll be right back.