The Young Turks - Answer To Autism! - September 22, 2025

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Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/TYT and use code TYT and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Trump pressures Pam Bondi to target his political enemies. At Charlie Kirk��s memorial, Trump suggests they may have “found the answer” to autism and Stephen Miller rails against “our enemies.” Chuck Schumer “hopes and prays” Trump will negotiate with Democrats. Pete Buttigieg rebukes Kamala Harris for passing him over as VP. Tom Homan was investigated for accepting $50,000 from undercover FBI agents. Hosts: Sharon Reed & Mark Thompson SUBSCRIBE on YOUTUBE ☞  https://www.youtube.com/@TheYoungTurks FOLLOW US ON: FACEBOOK  ☞   https://www.facebook.com/theyoungturks TWITTER  ☞       https://twitter.com/TheYoungTurks INSTAGRAM  ☞  https://www.instagram.com/theyoungturks TIKTOK  ☞          https://www.tiktok.com/@theyoungturks 👕MERCH  ☞      https:/www.shoptyt.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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the Mark Thompson show thrilled to be on with you. Hi. I watch you all the time. I've never been on with you before. It's very exciting for me. And you still said, okay, if she's doing it, I'll come on with her after watching all the time. I'm all over the place. It's that charming self-deprecation. That's one of the things I love about you. Okay, that I think I am good at, if I could take just a little bit of credit. Mark, we got a big show. So what do you say we get after it? And there's nothing like beginning another show with targeting enemies. In that private moment on his dying day, we find everything we need to know about who Charlie Kirk truly was. He was a missionary with a noble spirit and a great, great purpose.

He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent. And I don't want the best for them. I'm sorry. If we could have just cut off maybe the last 10 seconds, it would have been fine for a memorial service. But, you know, that's the Donald, aka President Donald Trump.

On making things about himself during Charlie Kirk's memorial yesterday, President Donald Trump made his hatred for his political opponents crystal clear. And now he's once again vowing to go after them. As a refresher, Trump has recently been up in arms over the fact that Eric Siebert, U.S. attorney for the Eastern District. District of Virginia hasn't been able to bring criminal charges against New York AG, Letitia James. Siebert was investigating James and Comey. Also, for similar reasons, couldn't find a viable way he said to bring charges against them. So you would think that would be case closed, but it's not. Trump was threatening to fire Siebert, but it was reported that following the threats, he officially resigned from his position. So that takes us to Saturday.

Trump penned an open letter to his attorney general, Pam Bondi. Here's what it said. And I think this is his version of a love letter. We know how he rolls. Pam, I've reviewed over 30 statements in post saying that essentially same old story. At last time, all talk, no action, nothing's being done. What about Comey? Adam Shifty shit.

Leticia. They're all guilty as hell, but nothing is going to be done. Then we almost put in a Democrat-supported U.S. attorney in Virginia with a really bad Republican past, a woke rhino, who was never going to do his job, the president on truth social. So he went further. That's why two of the worst, Dem senators pushed him so hard, even lied to the media and said he quit. and that we had no case. No, I fired him. And there is a great case. And many lawyers and legal pundits say so. Lindsay Halligan is a really good lawyer and likes you a lot. We can't delay any longer it's killing our reputation and credibility. They impeached me twice and indicted me

five times over nothing. Justice must be served now. President D.J.T. Now he didn't end it with thank you for your attention to this matter, but you get the point. Democratic Senators Mark Warner, Tim Kaine, did approve his nomination. Trump told reporters, when I saw that he got two senators, two gentlemen that are bad news as far as I'm concerned, when I saw that he got approved by those two men, I said, pull it because he can't be any good, Trump said. The president did not mention that he nominated Siebert, only after the two senators,

Mark Warner and Tim Kane, had already written Trump praising him. So why is the president directing his ire at Attorney General Pam Bondi? And why now? Well, Attorney General Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche, the Deputy Attorney General, who runs the day-to-day operations of the Justice Department had privately defended Siever against officials, including William J. Pulte, the director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency,

who had urged that he'd be fired and replaced with a prosecutor who would push the cases forward, according to a senior law enforcement official. Well, it seems Trump is not a fan of that attitude. No, I just want people to act. They have to act, and we want to act fast. You know, they were ruthless and vicious. I was impeached twice.

I was indicted five times. It turned out to be a fake deal. And we have to act fast. One way or the other. One way or the other. They're guilty. They're not guilty. We have to act fast.

If they're not guilty, that's fine. If they are guilty or if they should be charged, They should be judged, and we have to do it now. President and formal attire, same rhetoric. Finally, some experience, right? Who's he going to nominate? Well, the top White House aide Tiffany Halligan to be Siebert's replacement to work with Bondi and figure out some way to charge Trump's political enemies.

Halligan has been part of Trump's legal orbit for the last several years, including serving as one of his attorneys in the early days of the FBI's investigation in Detroit. Trump's retention of classified documents at his Marilago estate in Florida. She's more recently been enlisted in a White House effort to remove what the administration contends is improper ideology from Smithsonian properties. This is far, far reach it is from Trump, obviously, and even his most dedicated supporters like Senator. Mark Wayne Mullen, they're struggling hard to defend him. He's asking his attorney general in a public way to go after his political enemies. Very open about it.

You're okay with that? Well, I think what we know is President Trump is very open and transparent with the American people, and he speaks his mind. And that's what his supporters love about him, and that's what America loves about him. I don't think there's any question that Comey should be looked at. I mean, we just got to look at the 86 comment that he made. And when we start looking at the lies that he chose that he chose to continue with Russian Gate, Adam Schiff went out while he was the chairman of Intel every single meeting and said that we had the smoking gun.

And he said that for how many weeks straight. And you're going, where was the smoking gun? At some point, what their actions need to be looked into. And if they did something, I don't know, This is a country that should look into it if they did something illegal, if they were leaking classified information, if they use their position of power for corruption, then they 100% should be held accountable. And what President Trump is saying here is it's time to look into them and hold them accountable for what they said. Okay, so if you listen carefully, he's not prejudging anyone, not at all. He's just saying, look, let these. investigations come forward. He called the president transparent. That's false. Speaking of his mind, sure, beautiful mind, however you want to define it. Mark, what gives here? We had the open letter, which may maybe he meant to send as a DM and then the cleanup

in the formal attire where he says, you know, if they're guilty, maybe if they're not, nothing to see here. I just want justice to move forward. What do you make of all? of this? And what do Pam and Todd do next? Yeah, well, you know, first of all, I wish for all of us the kind of love that clearly Mark Warren Mullen has for Donald Trump or that the MAGA supporters have for Donald Trump. And we should all receive that kind of adulation, love and support to our lives from anyone, you know. My other half I've been with for 11 years, she doesn't support me the way these MAGA people support Trump. It's amazing. Congratulations. But there is a sense that they default to this, well, you know, he's right out front. And this might even happen

in sort of a subliminal way for many. Somehow, if he is so out front about it, if he's so, you know, posting and requesting quite openly, declaring people full of hate and maybe worthy of investigation, as he did with Jonathan Carl the other day, at that gaggle in the United Kingdom, or as he has done on social media, that it must be okay, that it must not be illegal or unconstitutional, even though it offends all of our sensibilities and our general sense of what legality in the Constitution is. So Bondi finds herself in a little bit of a tough spot because essentially those who she's dispatched this Trump work to, that is to say, find stuff on these people. I mean, it goes back to even the creative way they found maybe mortgage

irregularities with the governor on the Fed board. They look for all. of these different ways. I mean, this crew that's in power now of finding something that might be the beginnings of a government investigation. And remember, you know, a government investigation, and once you've been targeted by a government investigation, it can be an expensive undertaking to defend yourself, even if nothing comes of it. So there's a quality of destroying your life that they can do just based on the fact that they are marshalling forces legally of the government and going against you. So back to Bondi, she finds herself in a little bit of a bind, I suppose, because she is such a loyalist to Trump. I mean, she is, she speaks Trump, she dances Trump,

she walks Trump, and yet it may not be Trump enough. He wants real decision-making around Schiff and Comey and these expressed enemies. I've built the list for you, I've dropped it on your desk, Now, damn it, I want charges. And what's happening is there's no evidence of criminality here. And so they're going, dude, we want to help you, but there's nothing here. And so Bondi finds herself in a bit of a bind, as does the Justice Department. And literally, they may just replace all of these people with loyalists who will concoct charges and it'll likely end up with charges being thrown out unless it ends up in a Trump-friendly court

in which it'll be indulged in some twisted way. I mean, we are in a little bit of through the looking glass here. I couldn't agree more with everything that you said there. It is not enough to be loyal. And I don't know why these, whether we agree with them or not, and whether they're making fools of themselves or not, you know, thinking that this will last forever, this authoritarian on its way, full-blown rule.

But I don't know why they think that they can be loyal enough. What he's looking for is blind loyalty. It's like the heaven's gate cult, right, and hit your ride on the hail bob. It made no sense and ended up being very tragic. Blind loyalty though. Folks followed it with blind loyalty and that's, they didn't question it. And that's really what he wants. He's giving orders and sure, sometimes the orders this way and that way and he's multitasking,

but he wants you to just do what he told you to do. what he told you to do, like Pence on January 6th. And if not, you are going to find yourself out of there, you know, by first nominating and then saying, oh, I don't want this guy. It is your guy. And haven't we seen that more often than not, Mark, but what I really want to ask you before we move on is, look, isn't it, and I don't want to prejudge these cases like Trump is seemingly doing. But I was always taught that if the feds want you, they can get you.

The fact that a loyalist to Trump is saying, I mean, I looked at everything. I can't get her. Isn't that like proof like move on? There's nothing there. I don't think he's got a lot of move on in him, you know, Sharon. And so I think this is a jihad and there's no convincing him otherwise. So, as I say, if there's no evidence of criminality, yeah, those people who are there to do the work on behalf of Trump from the standpoint of prosecuting his enemies may have tough sledding. Now, but as you sort of said, they can concoct something or begin an investigation or announce an investigation and maybe that will be enough to get things started.

But the real moving on, I don't see it. Trump just, you know, has this like a dog with a bone. Yeah, unless it's Epstein. Unless it's Epstein, terrible. The white chocolate macadamia cream cold brew from Starbucks is made just the way you like it. Handcrafted cold foam topped with toasted cookie crumble. It's a sweet summer twist on iced coffee. Your cold brew is ready at Starbucks.

This next one, there's so many good people out there, parents, desperate for a cure, an answer. Is there finally an answer to autism? Effective immediately, the FDA will be, notifying physicians at the use of acetyl, well, let's see how we say that. Acidaminophen. Acetaminophen. Is that okay?

Which is basically commonly known as Tylenol during pregnancy can be associated with a very increased risk of autism. So taking Tylenol, is not good. I'll say it. It's not good. When someone writes something for you and you're a public speaker, you want them to write it in your voice.

These big words, I'm not making fun of anyone for mispronouncing things. I do it all the time, mostly laziness. Trump, just go with Tylenol, not good. Today, the Trump administration officially claimed that taking Tylenol during pregnancy can lead to a higher risk of the child developing autism, despite serious concerns from medical professionals. Here's more of what Mr. Trump had to say with Dr. Oz and RFK Jr. standing by his side. Taking Tylenol is not good. I'll say it. It's not good. For this reason, they are strongly recommending that women limit Tylenol use during pregnancy unless medically necessary.

That's, for instance, in cases of extremely high fever, that you feel you can't tough it out, you can't do it. I guess there's that. It's a small number of cases, I think. And somehow, as he was getting into all that, I couldn't help but think about all the women out there whose partners make them sick. And I can think of one who's chosen to live in New York. New guidance has alarmed people in the medical community, many of whom say it's far too early to declare that there's a link between Tylenol and autism. Here's Dr. Scott Gottlie, Trump's former

FDA commissioner, explaining, does Tylenol cause autism? Well, this has been extensively studied. There was a study in JAMMA in 2024 with 2.48 million siblings showed no correlation. There's been some smallest studies suggesting that there could be a correlation. Again, worthy of further study, but there is no clear evidence that it causes autism for women who take it during pregnancy. And if you look at utilization rates in pregnancy of Tylenol over the last 20 years, it's gone down. So there was about 70% utilization of Tylenol and pregnancy, any administration. So people who might have only used it a few times. Now it's about 60%. And over that time period, autism rates have gone up, not down.

So it doesn't suggest there's a correlation. So there's another one of Trump's, well, former guys, his guy. So many medical organizations, including the Society of Obstetricians and Gynecologists of Canada, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the Autism Science Foundation, They endorse the safety of using Tylenol during pregnancy, the Autism Science Foundation. See the charts there? Over the weekend, even Trump seemed to acknowledge that his administration might be wrong about this. I don't want to wait any longer.

We don't need anything more. And if it's wrong, it's not going to be wrong. But if it is wrong, it's fine that we have to do it. because we're going to have an announcement on autism. Just push full steam ahead. No, it's not fine if you're wrong because there are serious consequences to the federal government making declarations about people's health. Pregnant women already have very few options when it comes to pain relief.

Putting out unsubstantiated information about the dangers of Tylenol is sure to impact. Many of those women leave them with even fewer options for dealing with pain. And during today's press conference, Mr. Trump didn't stop at Tylenol. He also fearmongered about vaccines to the point that even RFK Jr., I mean, this is rich, had to temper his claims. And by the way, I think I can say that there are certain groups of people that don't take vaccines and don't take any pills that have no autism, that have no autism. Does that tell you something? That's currently. Is that a correct statement, by the way? There are some studies that suggest that, yeah, with the Amish, for example.

The Amish, yeah, virtually. I heard no, I heard none. See, Bobby wants to be very careful with what he says and he should, but I'm not so careful with what I say. You know, you're less careful than Bobby, and so we're all in a lot of trouble. So that's an inaccurate claim autism is present within the Amish. communities, albeit at lower rates. Mark, I don't know what to do with this. It was like mumbo-jumbo. It was just like a fiesta of nonsense that he was spewing again and again, looking around, is that right? You know, struggling with the only word he probably should have known, even though, again, people mispronounce things, even though he's the president

speaks all the time. What do we do with this? There's people out there. And I worked with a guy who really grifted a long time ago, he would go to the autism community. He would say, I've got a big announcement. This is going to cure things. This is going to be the game changer. And these were people who loved their children and just wanted an answer and wanted some hell. It's the worst. And I think that the consequences are very serious for people who would not know any better. Well, it's a, it's, I'm glad to give that example. because I think it's sad. I think there's an exploitation associated with it.

There's an exploitation even if it's not a grift per se. It's an attention grift. There is always on the part of Trump wanting to make the announcement. You know, he has, we have a big announcement about autism. We're gonna, you know, we're gonna, we've got a big one. And then he makes the announcement and you realize he's jumped to a conclusion. And it's interesting to hear him say, you know, a lot may we want to wait and get more information. I think we've waited long enough on this. We need to move ahead from a crew that

is completely populated by people who feel as though the data on, for example, the MMR vaccine or the polio vaccine is still not sufficient to say, okay. I mean, you know, these people want to wait even longer on that and has a proven track record. So I understand that there can be legitimate debates around many medications and many vaccines, but this is completely irresponsible. And it's sad for the reasons that Sharon says. I mean, it's the way in which so many who are parents to autistic children desperately want to find answers. They want to find treatments, and we'll get to that in a second, and then they want to find causes. But I also just feel as though there is a huge, huge clapback waiting to happen. I mean, you can't say irresponsibly,

as we've kind of noted, that acetaminophen or Tylenol is responsible in any way for autism. and not end up possibly in a court case over that. I mean, you better be able to show your math. You can't just say something like that as president of the United States or as head of the FDA. So I think there's a lot here. And it's way, way irresponsible. And as I say, there may be some civil liability. Yeah.

Well, the makers of Thailand, I'll put out a statement today saying, whoa, pump the brakes. We couldn't disagree more. This is not scientific, paraphrasing. they push back hard. I just wonder though, Mark, if in pushing back hard, we've seen how this administration rolls if they will then face consequences if you will. I'll give you the last word. No, that's exactly right.

I mean, that's why Tylenol, even in that statement, they have to walk very softly because they're worried about clap back from the Trump administration. They can end up really getting destroyed by government. So you're right. The whole thing has to reach a kind of balance. and yet the record does have to be corrected. Yeah. Long way from that, we're going to take our first break. Sharon Reed alongside Mark Thompson. We're right back.

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Conditions apply. You know, and just to follow up on that, Mark, I, I texted one of my Republican friends, who's a really smart guy, spent a lot of time with universities. He's, you know, I don't necessarily think his choice in politics is that smart, but that's just me. That doesn't make him, you know, unintelligent. And I texted him and I said, hey, did you see this Holman report? You know, the borders are who reporting shows was caught on video, taking $50,000 in bribes, according to the FBI sources. And he wrote me back and said, nothing to see there.

Biden should have arrested him. I mean, I just told you what is there. Okay, we can have a conversation about Biden, but can we talk about what I said? I set it up nice. I teeted, I made it nice. He's on video, something about $50,000, brown paper bag, and his response was nothing to see here.

Yeah, you know, I think you get the full range of responses, and it can be, hey, you know what, there's corruption on all sides. Yeah, some guys are putting it into a brown paper bag in an FBI sting, and some are putting into a brown paper bag and we don't see it. And plenty of Democrats do it and Republicans do it. That's the kind of default, you know what I mean? Yeah, they're all corrupt. I get it.

You know, that's the problem. So on some level, you just don't break through, but even as loathsome as it is, you know? Yeah. Well, it gets me pretty upset. I hang up on at least three or four times a week. I mean, I just can't take it. So I just say, no, we're done. We're not doing this.

But we remain cordial most. To be fair to you, you always feel as though this will be the thing. Like, you see this, right? I mean, this is a guy who literally took $50,000 as a bribe to give contracts if he went into power. We've got it on video. You surely, you know, let's at least agree that that's total corruption. And when you can't punch through on that, you go, all right, I'm done. Nope, we're done.

So I did time out again. This next one, is it fair to call him Chuck the chump? I hope and pray that Trump will sit down with us and negotiate a bipartisan bill. That's how it's always been done in the past. That's how shutdowns have been avoided in the past. And if he doesn't, I'm just confirming here, you will vote no. Is that correct? we are hoping damn we are hoping that he will negotiate with us so it's fair it's a fair

title because he just said he just said we're hoping and praying that trump will sit down with us the way that it's always been done although since he's come on the map politically nothing's the way it used to be done so we're facing yet another government shutdown with federal funding set to expire September 30th, but luckily we have strong leaders like Chuck Schumer. Well, by the way, Sharon, he does have some cool new glasses that I think do. Do you notice those? I think like, I don't want to say anything nice about Chuck Schumer because I'm kind of in the same camp, but they do give him a little bit of a sharper feel. Yeah, okay. Sharper feel, but not necessarily a sharper sound. He's banking on hopes and prayers

bringing Donald Trump to the negotiating table. Last week, the Senate rejected both Republican and Democratic proposals to keep the government funded, at least temporarily, raising the likelihood of a potential shutdown. Democrats are demanding that funding legislation include an extension of the Affordable Care Act's enhanced tax credits, which are currently set to expire at the end of 2025. They also want a reversal of the Medicaid cuts included in Trump's so-called big. beautiful bill earlier this year. They have some leverage since any legislation will need 60 votes to pass. That means some Democrats would need to vote with Republicans to clear that

threshold and keep the government funded. Schumer and Jeffries sent a strongly worded letter to Trump over the weekend in which they wrote. And before you put up, I just quickly, do you think he read it? Do you think he read it, Mark? Of course not. Of course not. I said this guy a letter. Come on, stop. If you can't get, if they can't get on Fox News channel, then he's not knowing about it. He doesn't, he didn't read it. It was probably not even delivered to him, okay? Here's what they wrote.

We write to demand a meeting in connection with your decision to shut down the federal government because of the Republican desire to continue to gut the health care of the American people. Democrats are ready to work toward a bipartisan spending agreement that improves the lives of American families and addresses the Republican health care crisis. Well, this is not a letter written for Donald Trump. Stop it. It's a letter written to be talked about on TYT and Repulished in the New York Times. Yeah, and I hope they didn't waste one of those forever stamps or a messenger.

You know, you can, through Uber Eats, I message things to my daughter at school. It's a different button. It's a package button. I hope they didn't waste $1 on this. Stop. But Republicans haven't signaled any willingness to negotiate in an exchange with reporters on Saturday. Trump suggested that he was open to a meeting, but said nothing was likely to come from it. Listen. Well, you meet with Democratic leaders to talk about how to avert a shutdown. Well, I will, but they don't care about crime. They want to keep men and women's force.

They want all this stuff. They don't change. You haven't learned from the biggest meeting they've ever taken just about. I'd love to meet with them, but I don't think it's going to have any impact. Hey, guys, let's just cancel the meeting. Just cancel the meeting. Now there are fears that Schumer will once again buckle under the pressure like he did back in March despite outrage from his own caucus. He bolstered those fears in this interview with CNN's Denabash, in which he repeatedly refused to say whether or not he would vote to prevent the shutdown.

Nothing changes. Are you going to vote no and urge your Democratic? colleagues to vote no, which will end with the shutdown? Look, we hope it doesn't come to that. But what if it does? Because everyone knows. The American people, the American people are on our side, Dana. By almost two to one, they believe if there's a shutdown, it's going to be caused by Trump

because they know how much they want relief in the health care issue. And they know he's not negotiating. So it's up to them. And if he doesn't, I'm just confirming here, you will vote no. Is that correct? We are hoping, damn, we are hoping that he will negotiate with us. And if he doesn't. So far he hasn't and we've had two bills in the House and Senate and neither of them

have passed. Our Democrats are firm. We need to get something done to relieve the distress the American people are in. Now see, I've gotten a better look at the glasses. You're absolutely right, Mark. But again, she doesn't even comment on them, shame on her. Come on, he looks more like a leader, but he sounds like the same old guy. The same old guy.

How confident are you that Schumer will be able to get any concessions out of Trump, like even one? I think there'll be maybe some superficial concessions if there are any. I don't think he's confident of something that he said in there. And that is that, well, the American people, it's shown are two to one blaming Trump, if there is a shutdown, if he really thought that were true, I think there would be less aversion to a shutdown. I mean, I think Democrats are always about trying to keep the government open. Just in general, they just believe in government and the power of what government can do, the good that government can do, if you will. I mean, that's always sort of been a democratic thing.

And the GOP is sort of the overreach of government. I mean, again, those are sort of the broad strokes. And my point is simply, I think they want to keep it open. But if they really believe that the American people would cleanly rest, blame at Trump's feet, I think they'd let it rip, man. I really do. And I think they're not sure about that because people aren't sure. I mean, nobody's sure. Nobody's sure. And their messaging has proven ineffective. I mean, it's just not been something that's been persuasive. Even when the American people see doom and gloom, they can't pay their bills, Jimmy Kimmel's off the air, this latest nonsense, the political rhetoric. are dying and yet you can't break through with a little bit of messaging that says

yeah we're on your side I'll give you the last word I think the the frustrating thing for us looking in and for all of us watching what's going on is that it is sort of the same old dance we have the same old political figures who seem to be ineffective sort of tepid in their responses hope and pray I mean he's always going going to default to that verbiage, but that's just not the new America. The media landscape demands much, much stronger stuff. And you may have to lean in even harder. I mean, you can make an argument for shutting the government down if you're the Democrats, for letting it happen. I'd hate to see it because I think a lot of innocence are swept under in that.

And then on some level, Trump can get away with a lot more with a government that's closed down than he can with the government that is powered up as it is with even sort of the minimal watchdogs in effect, if you want to think of it that way. It's a tough spot that Schumer finds himself in, but as usual, he's not rising to the occasion. Yeah, and it's a throwback. It's nothing new. I get why people are sick of the same old. They're like stuck in the 80s. Exactly. I literally was thinking it feels like a couple of decades ago. Yeah, that's exactly. They're stuck. Do something different. Show me.

what you got. Instead, nothing. We have much more to come. More of your comments are coming right up. commute. This September, Lisa, 2026 XE90 plug-in hybrid from $599 biweekly at 3.99% during the Volvo fall experience event. Condition supply, visit your local Volvo retailer or go to explorevolvo.com. as we were ending the social break there and I left you with no time. I just feel like we can't, I just want the truth in America, like everywhere. I just, isn't the truth enough? Well, obviously the truth is being twisted on the Charlie Kirk thing. Here's the thing that bounces out of me, especially watching a lot of the comments and

a lot of these speeches during his memorial service, which was a rally and a memorial service and a lot of things. And I get it because, you know, a turning point is a, huge organization and they were so, I think they delivered more in the way of support to Trump than the Joe Rogan Manosphere did even, you know, and they will continue to GOP causes. But the idea somehow that Charlie Kirk's death was celebrated in any way or they, or I didn't see any of that. I mean, we all decried the political violence in Charlie Kirk's death and it was a horror and we all said it in every single lib outpost that you could possibly identify said

the same thing. I don't know any of them, not one that celebrated the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So to hear that constantly referred to, and Trump talked about it and how they could celebrate the murder of this man. I mean, I'm thinking they celebrated who? Who? Who celebrated? Nobody. People go, yeah, that is awful. And that's one of the big lies that I felt is really obscuring an awful lot and only in reality feeding the flames of not only discontent, but a real battle between the right and the left. I mean, again, the forum of ideas has no chance, as you say, if we're not even going to agree on some basic facts. And so I thought that was a real perversion that I was offended by it, since I am on the left. And I, it's a horror show what happened to Charlie Kirk.

It's awful. Political violence is a terrible, terrible thing. See that? And I heard that over and over again. Jimmy Kimmel, before they yanked him off the air, and I know he's coming back apparently Tuesday tomorrow. Before any of that happened on his personal social media, he's posting about how horrific this is, thoughts, love to the Kirk family.

You want to fight with somebody. So no matter what, you're going to fight. And that's kind of what it boils down to. Let's get to this next one, Dem Drama. You were, of course, on the short list to be Vice President Harris's running mate. I want to read a little bit about what she writes about you. She writes that in your meeting you seemed more focused on defining your role than helping her, that you even asked about artwork for the residents.

And she worried that you would, quote, be unable to set. for a role as number two. Is that an accurate account? I mean, look, I haven't read her book. The only thing I was focused on was working my tail off to deny Donald Trump a second term. Art views more interested in the art, Governor Pennsylvania. Former Vice President Kamala Harris took some shots at members of her own party in her upcoming book, 107 days. Just heard what she wrote about Pennsylvania, Governor Josh Shapiro. She also ticked off Pete Buttigieg and Gavin Newsom. More on them later, but first, let's tune into a different interview with Governor Shapiro. Stephen A. Smith also asked him about

Harris's book. And Shapiro had a warning for the former vice president. There's an excerpt in there where she says, quote, it's Joe and Jill's decision. We all said that like a mantra as if we'd all been to hypnotize. Was it grace or was it recklessness? And In retrospect, I think it was recklessness. The stakes were simply too high. This wasn't a choice that should have been left to an individual's ego and individual's ambition. It should have been more than a personal decision. We hear something like that. The question some folks will want me to ask you is, is she right? My question would be, why did you say that before? Right. I haven't read the former vice president's book. And she's going to have to answer to how she was in the room and yet never said anything publicly. Can you react to that quickly, Mark, before we get into Pete Buttigieg? Well, I mean, two things. First of all, the whole thing is sort of what Democrats love to do to each other, which is just, you know, and maybe in this case, you know, a failed presidential campaign, it's even more to that pastime, which is just run each other down. So she has a meeting with Josh Shapiro. He seems like, you know, pretty close to the perfect date. And I get it. He might have been asking about the art.

And to be fair, don't you want to know what the art's going to be? in your residence. No, but I just do think that you're beginning to, you know, great, I'll take her at her word that she felt he was not enough into supporting her. I think the reality of Kamala Harris is she was a flawed candidate in so many ways, sadly for America. I am downcast as I say that because I think she had a lot of things about her that are superficial that Americans are really not ready for. I think maybe being a woman is one of them. It's so sucks. I mean, this country is so effed up with that, you know. But in any case, writing this book and kind of raking these people over the coals for likely things that they had, really any difference it was around the margins, I just think it's, again, it falls into kind of that category of what Democrats like to do, which is, you know, it's the purity test. No one is, is quite the perfect date for me. Yeah, and I'm going to take her at her word too, But when you look at who she's taking a little jab at, these are all perhaps they could be leading candidates.

You got Gavin Newsom, Shapiro, and now Pete Buttigieg. Harris also wrote about him. In her book, Harris states that Buttigieg would have been her first choice for running mate. But here's why she didn't pick him. We were already asking a lot of America to accept a woman, a black woman, a black woman married to a Jewish man. And part of me wanted to say, screw it. Let's just do it. But knowing what was at stake, it was too big of a risk.

Harris believed Buttigieg, who his father to twins with his husband, Chastin, also knew that to our mutual sadness. But that is not what really happened, according to Mayor Pete. But had just said Harris's concerns were not something that we ever talked about. Here's more from the former Transportation Secretary. Well, I was surprised when I read that. I just believe in giving Americans more credit than that. You know, my experience in politics has been that the way that you earn trust with voters is based mostly on what they think you're going to do for their lives, not on categories.

And I wouldn't have run for president if I didn't believe that. You know, I was right here in Indiana when this state turned blue for the first time since LBJ. And it wasn't Bill Clinton who did it. It wasn't John Kerry who did it. That happened in 2008 when Barack Obama was leading the ticket. And just again and again, my personal experience getting reelected in South Bend, and a lot of those things have just shown me that you just have to go to voters with what you think you can do for them. That's why I'm here in Indiana right now.

We did this big rally on redistricting, trying to make sure that we can make the case for politics that's about the results we can get for people and not about all these other things. So for anyone who wanted to believe that these leading Democrats all rallied behind the soon-to-be candidate who was looking for their endorsements, will you be wrong? So we're going to end with the bad blood between Harris and her fellow California politician Gavin Newsom. And 107 days, Harris Wright said after Biden dropped out of the presidential race, she frantically called other Democrats to get their endorsement. Newsom was one of them. Hiking will call back the former vice president wrote in her notes from her calls that day, which are recounted in her campaign memoir, 107 days.

She pointedly noted in parentheses, he never did. In response, Newsom stated this, look, man. And I added the look man. There was an unknown number. I was on a text chain trying to get in touch with the Biden administration because I was completely surprised that the president dropped out. That exact same moment, I was working with my team to draft a statement. Newsom said, I assume that's in the book as well. Harris did not mention Newsom's endorsement in the book. So the governor with the, do you believe the governor with the perfect hair hikes? Maybe. I mean, it's beautiful. He was hiking, unreachable. We'll pull back. But why is she doing this? Why do you think that she's doing this and singling out these three? Well, first of all, I Newsom wanted to be president himself and he would want to fill the void if Biden were falling out. That arithmetic is easy. Secondly, on the Buttigieg stuff, I just really just want to quickly say, you know, he's so good. He almost can.

convinces me that what I know to be the case, which is that they would have filleted a gay man on the ticket. Look what they did to the trans community. They made a big thing out of it. They're still making it. They're still doing it. They're making political hay out of the trans community. It's crazy. These cultural wedge issues. But Buttigieg is so smart, so good that he almost convinces me just in that small soundbite that that's not the case. That this, you know, when he says he has faith in the American people, I don't. I don't. I've seen the American people. I mean, I have faith in some of them, but I know that there are a whole ton of them that go on these superficial crazy notions that they have and they react and recoil from stuff that shouldn't bother them at all. But anyway, now to your point, which or the question, which is, hey, why is she doing this? Is this to clean up a reputation? Maybe.

Is it to set up another political run? Maybe. What do you think, Sharon? I mean, it's, it's an odd. thing that she is taking out like the major pins in the bowling alley, you know, in this run of hers. If I can't have it, nobody can. Look, there's so many other things that we kind of learned afterwards, after the fact, was Obama really? And he does seem like he's early, early with Gavin. They weren't for her. And I'll use Obama again. The reporting is that he didn't believe that she could, she could pull it off. So I don't know, but I just think whatever her reasoning is, there needed to be more strategy. And I do think it makes me very angry that this allegation, that it was damn near weekend at Bernie's towards the last year there. And you're standing there

talking about loyalty to a president. I, damn it, you'd be loyal to me and the American people. And I know that's easier said than done. I've never run. By the way, I've never run. By the way, I've never been vetted as a vice presidential candidate. So I don't know, but I just don't like the way this is smelling to me. It smells a little sour. It's past its expiration date. Oh, the whole thing has a total cover your A feel to it. I mean, the idea somehow on the question that you raised, which is, you know, why didn't you say something?

Why didn't you do something? You know, that's a legit question that she's still dealing with and it's never really going to go away. And so, yeah, I think she's just trying to clean up her rep anyway. she can. And it's a pretty ugly business. I think the whole thing just smells bad. Yeah, I do too. to this earlier, Homan corruption. So what's going on here? The man who would lead Trump's mass deportation plans,

his handpicked orders are Tom Homan, under federal criminal investigation. And then the case was suddenly shut down after Trump won back the presidency. Homan is still in place, of course, today. He's facing new scrutiny though. After a report by MSNBC exposed never before reported DOJ documents detailing allegations of corrupt

involving undercover FBI agents, private money, and political intervention. The case dates back to the summer of 2024, Holman, then a private consultant, was allegedly paid $50,000 in cash by undercover FBI agents who were posing as business execs. The probe was launched after a subject and a separate investigation claimed

Holman was soliciting payments in exchange for awarding contracts, should Trump, win the election. I mean, this is mafioso-like in some of the details. Not saying he's part of organized crime. Federal prosecutors and FBI agents believe they had a strong criminal case against Homan for conspiracy to commit

bribery based on the recording of him accepting the cash and is promised to assist with contracts. Quid pro quo is what I believe they would call it. But according to multiple sources and internal DOJ memos after President Trump took office in January 2025. Trump White House intervened. The Justice Department appointee called the case a, quote, deep state probe, and the investigation was shut down. The public never knew until now.

What about the FBI director Cash Patel, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche? Well, they released a statement saying that the investigation had been closed after finding, quote, no credible evidence of any criminal wrongdoing. Now a press conference today, Caroline Leavitt, got very testy. When a reporter asked her, she could be so nasty. Listen to Ms. Levitt when a reporter asked about these confrontations. To the president asked the Justice Department to close the case and does Holman have to return the $50,000? Well, Mr. Holman never took the $50,000 that you're referring to.

So you should get your facts straight number one. Number two, this was another example. the weaponization of the Biden Department of Justice against one of President Trump's strongest and most vocal supporters in the midst of a presidential campaign. You had FBI agents going undercover to try and trap one of the president's top allies and supporters, someone who they knew very well would be taking a government position months later. Mr. Homan did absolutely nothing wrong. The White House and the president stand by Tom Homan 100%. She just, she learned from the best.

So today, Tom Holman remains, of course, Trump's immigration enforcement point person, the border czar, central figure, and the geopolitics plan for mass deportations. And if you think right when media cares, here's what Megan Kelly posted on X. We do not care. Don't bother at real Tom Homan.

He's a national treasure. We do not care. Kelly defended her statement in a subsequent post saying she doesn't trust the FBI or DOJ and adding, we only care about defeating you. Listen, what Caroline Levitt said in fairness, Mark, some of that could be true, okay? But did he take the money or not? And what happened? And who decides what credible evidence is? Sure, that can be partially opinion based on experience in law enforcement. But what went down here? I mean, I don't know how anything that she said could even be partially true.

You tell me how you can entrap a homin who was already reported by another person. This is the reason the investigation was going on because he had solicited bribes from somebody else. And so the FBI got involved and they said, hey, can you get us this maybe contracting work. You know, here's $50,000. They gave it to him in a, I think it's a CAVA bag. You know, if you've eaten in a CAVA or whatever, it's in that one of those bags. And so when you, and when so when she says, there is no $50,000 and you better get your facts straight. And he doesn't have $50,000 to give back to anybody. B.S. He doesn't. I just saw it. It's right there on the video. Now, we haven't seen the video. Obviously, literally, it's not public yet. But multiple sources

within the FBI say that it is there. So the guy did take the money and I don't know how you look the other way on that unless you're so devoted to mega ideology you know I guess you know to homans plan to deport everyone who is in this country regardless of status and stamp them a criminal which is apparently what Megan Kelly is saying I'm not being hyperbolic here I mean this is literally what she's saying I don't care that he took 50,000 dollars the guy took 50k in a bag We saw it, and it was in return to put these people into the game as contractors when the new administration came in. Sorry, to me, it's indefensible.

And at some point, you lose credibility as an objective observer if you're defending that. Yeah, it's indefensible, the money, all of it. Did you pay taxes on that? They would be all over it, okay? Did he pay taxes on that? He's busy disappearing guys with a weed whacker, okay? A mom who needs medicine. And yet where's the money in the Kava bag?

My daughter says that's not, she doesn't like it very much. Maybe some people do. It's just, it's just ridiculous. The bags are nice. They're perfect for money. You're right. You're right. Well, we've got a big hour coming up next and we hope you'll stay with us.

See you late. I don't know.