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Momentous day, man, we had it.
We had nothing but good news for the first time in a long time.
And then, of course, they had to go and ruin it with the Anthony Kennedy News.
So we'll have some good news for you and we'll have some bad news for you.
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But unfortunately, we're going to have to start with bad news.
Yes.
Turns out that Justice Anthony Kennedy has decided to retire, which is disastrous, considering
the fact that even though he identifies as a conservative Supreme Court justice, he was the
swing vote in a number of incredibly important cases over the last several decades.
Now, this will open a seat in the Supreme Court and allow Donald Trump to nominate whoever
he chooses, and that could be a complete and utter disaster.
We'll get to the possibilities in just a minute, but let me give you the details on this
retirement announcement.
The 81-year-old Anthony Kennedy said in a statement, he was stepping down after more than 30
years, a Republican appointee, he has held the key vote on such high profile issues as abortion,
affirmative action, gay rights, guns, campaign finance, and voting rights. So even though he is
a conservative justice, he was not so tied to his political identity that he would essentially
allow that to seep into the decisions that he would make. And that's why it was incredibly
important, well, maybe in some cases, but when it comes to incredibly important cases,
like gay marriage, for instance, and abortion, for instance, he made the right decisions.
Okay, so let me just say one quick thing before you give the rest of summary.
Anthony Kennedy is a very complicated guy, and it's not easy to pinhole him.
I think he was refreshingly moderate when San Jose de O'Connor was in the court, but he still
had plenty of moderate decisions afterwards, to be fair.
And San Josei O'Connor was a moderating influence on him.
She was also a Republican, also conservative, but they would often vote in tandem, and they would
vote to moderate the rest of the extremeness of people like Clarence Thomas and Scalia famously.
And then it must be noted, though, that he has done a couple of disastrous things.
And that by and large, he was, the reason we know him as a swing vote is he would, he would
would sometimes vote with progressives, but that was the exception, not the rule.
You have to remember that the rule was he voted with conservatives overwhelmingly.
Now, a couple of super important cases where he didn't vote with them and made a big difference,
but do not forget that Kennedy was the deciding vote and wrote the majority opinion for
the worst, well, you can't say the worst because there's Plessy out there, but certainly among
the worst Supreme Court decisions in United States history, which is,
Citizens United.
So this isn't as terrible as it would be if Ruth Bader Ginsburg, for instance, announced
her retirement today.
If that were the case, then we're in a lot of trouble.
But I believe that we're still in a lot of trouble because he wasn't an extremist.
And I feel as though someone like Donald Trump is going to go out of his way to nominate
someone who will vote along with, you know, the conservative members of the Supreme Court
And the conservative- Every time.
Every single time, exactly.
There will be no exceptions.
That is the fear, and I believe that is a legitimate fear.
It's a fear that I have.
And some of the names that have come out as possible replacements are very much against abortion
rights.
And that concerns me, especially when you have someone like Neil Gorsuch also in the Supreme
Court at the moment.
Now let's talk about specific, you know, potential Supreme Court justices.
Now, reporters are saying all sorts of things on Twitter, mainly that Donald Trump is planning
to go back to a list that he had developed in consultation with conservative legal scholars.
So that also gives you a sense of what he's looking at.
I mean, he worked with conservative legal scholars in order to craft this list.
It's been reported that president says he will select someone as outstanding as Justice
Kennedy for the Supreme Court and confirms he will stick to his preselected list of judges.
His quote was, it will be somebody from that list.
And that list mainly includes people who do have experiences working in the courts with the
exception of Mike Lee, who is not a judge at all.
He is in Congress.
I don't think Mike Lee is going to be selected, but who knows?
No, you never know.
So Mike Lee is a very hard right winger, and he says, oh, I would definitely take it if it
was given to me.
So at least he's honest about that.
And you don't have to be a judge to be on the Supreme Court.
And so it could be him, but it doesn't matter.
It's a murderer's row of despicable right-wingers.
You're not going to get any moderation from any of them.
And like Gorsuch, their main defining trait is going to be how pro-corporate they are.
So Gorsuch, as you remember, was the one justice in the whole country or the judge at the time
who said, yeah, yeah, if a corporation orders you to freeze the death and you, if you,
and you don't listen to that order, you should be fired, okay?
Every other judge that looked at that case said, no, that's insanity.
And Gorsuch was like, no, no, you don't get it.
I'll do anything a corporation tells me to do.
And Trump and the Republicans were like, that's our guy.
So down the next person who's going to raise their hand and say corporate power over actual citizens, yes.
I mean, I mentioned Plessy v. Ferguson a second ago.
Think about the absurdity of Kennedy's ruling.
And by the way, I did not remember this until reading up on him again today.
that he used to be a lobbyist.
And I was like, oh, yeah, okay, that explains it.
So the absurdity was, in Plessy, the court decided that human beings that were African-Americans
were not human beings.
Later, the Supreme Court decided in Citizens United that things that are not human beings,
corporations are human beings.
What?
That's insanity.
But Kennedy said, not only do corporations.
giving millions upon millions of dollars, and in aggregate billions of dollars to politicians
not corruption, but it doesn't even give it the appearance of corruption.
Like, who would think that, oh, if you give somebody millions of dollars, they might do something
that you ask them to do?
He's like, that's preposterous, of course they're not going to do that.
What?
And Bill Moyers is a great line about this.
He's like, can you imagine if a batter before he steps up to the plate hands the umpire
a couple thousand dollars?
But no, no, no, you call him as you see him, okay?
Would anybody think that that was anything but a bribe?
So I mean, look, and now give Kennedy is due, three really important decisions.
In the 92, they upheld Roe versus Wade and Planned Parenthood versus Casey.
And he was the deciding vote, among the deciding votes there in 2008, deciding vote
on giving Guantanamo prisoners, habeas corpus rights.
Now, it's not about the Guantanamo guys, it's about do we have rule of law in this country.
And habeas corpus is one of the oldest Western values there is.
That you must present a person to a court, that there must be rule of law.
I can't believe that decision was five, four.
But there are monsters on the other side.
And they say, who cares?
They're not really people.
Corporations are people, but detainees are not people, and they don't have rights.
We're back to Plessy.
And so now when you take Kennedy off the court and you get another Gorsuch and another conservative,
they go, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no. Corporations are our gods, but people are not people.
And then finally, of course, as Anna pointed out in 2015, Obergefell versus Hodges.
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Anyway, so Kennedy definitely complicated, definitely some of the worst decisions ever made.
And the person who will replace him will almost definitely be worse than him.
But at least he won't be complicated.
At least we'll know exactly what kind of person he is.
That's right.
And so look, the other thing that's going around online that's not true is people say, oh,
it's going to be 6'3.
It's not 6'3.
Kennedy is a conservative.
It's still going to be 5'4, but it's going to be a hard, immovable 5.
Yes, and also there is a lot of concern about Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Is there a possibility that she could announce her retirement?
Nothing's been mentioned by Justice Ginsburg yet, but we'll see how this all plays out.
It is definitely concerning in the very least.
Now let me give you some of the top contenders because it is important to kind of look into
their backgrounds and what could potentially happen if they do get selected.
So prominent on the list of potential successors are Judge Thomas Hardiman of Pennsylvania
and-
Hardiman is in his name.
Yeah.
He said hard right, and he's like hard eye man.
And Trump's like, I like that, that makes sense, that, okay, let's go with that guy.
And William Pryor of Alabama, who was seriously considered for the seat eventually filled
by Gorsuch, and then there's Judge Brett Kavanaugh who serves on the federal appeals court
in Washington.
So I'm not entirely sure why it is that everyone thinks that Kavanaugh is the most likely to
be appointed by Donald Trump.
But he is terrible when it comes to reproductive rights.
He has been very clear about how he does not believe in the Roe v. Wade ruling.
And should he be nominated and confirmed by our Senate?
And he likely will be confirmed by the Senate because all they need is a simple majority to
confirm Donald Trump's nomination.
A simple majority, remember, Republicans change the rules.
Yeah, so a couple of things here.
Number one, there are so many lies that the right wing says that the media doesn't correct,
it drives me crazy.
They say, oh, conservative justices are for precedent.
They don't like to change the previous decisions.
Not true, not at all true.
In fact, Kennedy was a swing vote because he said, I actually do agree with precedent.
That's why he upheld Roe v. Wade in 92.
And other conservatives were like, who cares about precedent?
Let's just destroy it.
And over and over again, again, a union case,
just today that they announced, destroyed precedent, decades and decades of precedent, where
they said we, the Supreme Court says, this is the law of the land.
And the conservatives are like, I don't care, all I care about is politics.
I don't like unions, so I'm going to light that precedent on fire.
So when this guy comes in, you think he'll be like, oh, wait, it is theoretically a conservative
principle that we care about precedent.
No, all they care about is power.
So once they seize that power, yes, Roe v. Wade will be insignificant.
significant danger.
And Kennedy, that is the last part of his legacy, that he decided to leave during Trump,
knowing that they would get a super extreme right winger under Trump.
And I guess Kennedy doesn't mind.
So all that legacy of occasional moderation, only occasional moderation, that's also up in flames,
knowing that he's just going to hand it off to someone who is going to overturn any moderate
decisions he might have ever made.
So yesterday, there were a number of cases that finally made it to the Supreme Court.
Supreme Court hands down rulings in those cases.
And so, of course, we were talking about those stories yesterday.
But since we were talking about them and through researching for those stories, I came across
a lot of reporting about Justice Anthony Kennedy and how the Trump administration has been
doing its best to persuade him to retire as soon as possible.
And I thought to myself, I know that that pressure.
might be difficult to bear, but I don't think he's going to do it. I think he understands the
importance of sitting tight and waiting, at least until the midterms. And no, it doesn't
seem like he really cared much about that at all. I actually want to talk about one other thing
in this, in regards to this. Okay. So today, Justice Anthony Kennedy announces that he's
going to retire, which means Trump is going to get to pick another Supreme Court nominee.
Mitch McConnell is beside himself with happiness over it. And instead of calling him, instead of
calling what Mr. McConnell did obstruction, the press is literally applauding him.
In article after article, they're like his bold gambit to block the Merrick Garland from the
court for over a year when Obama was president paid off, and now it's paying off in spades.
Now, if Democrats did it, they're so uncivil, this obstruction, I can't believe it, right?
You're so right. They're referring to it. They're framing it as a bold risk that McConnell
took, but a bold risk that ultimately paid off.
Now, it's true that it ultimately paid off, but it was obstruction.
And it's, look, that type of framing matters.
And instead of calling it what it really was, the press has decided to applaud and celebrate
with what McConnell did.
Now, I'll give you more context, and I'll give you something ahead of time like we like
to do, okay?
So now, on the other hand, and when the Republicans got in charge, they're like, oh, who cares
about the rules?
I don't care about the rules at all before we pretend to care about the Senate rules.
rules because we wanted to block your nominee, you idiots.
So now we're gonna just lift the rules so we can just confirm Gorsuch, and the next guy
that comes in.
So ha ha, you stupid Democrats, forever thinking that we ever cared about the rules, right?
And the press too, and I write down how great I am and bold I am, right?
Now on the other hand, when Obama was trying to pass the Affordable Care Act, they're like,
oh, should we use reconciliation?
Well then, you know, we could pass it with a simple majority, but we have to be really careful
about all the Senate rules and procedures.
And the filibusters, oh my God, don't be careful about the filibusters, et cetera.
And then, so they made the Affordable Care Act much weaker than it had to be because of those,
because they were so obsessed with the rules.
And the press yelled at them nonstop.
You're hey, Senate has traditions.
And then Reid, of course, in his infinite stupidity, if you ask me, right before the Democrats
were about to lose control, it was like, oh, let's get rid of some of the filibuster rules.
So that when the Republicans get in here, it'll be easier for them.
Why didn't you do it earlier, right?
And then Reid and Obama, everybody lets them block Garland and they're like, oh, it's okay,
Hillary's gonna win anyway.
Yes, the Democrats are incompetent, that is definitely true and there's a track record
of it.
But the press aids and abets the Republicans by saying, yelling at the Democrats every time
that they even consider violating any kind of tradition or anything along those lines.
And when the Republicans do it, they light fireworks.
And they're like, wow, amazing, what courage, right?
So here's my prediction ahead of time.
Republicans should do everything in their power, use every rule there is, and to make sure
that they block this appointment before the midterms.
At a minimum, the midterms are right around the corner.
They blocked Merrick Garland for well over a year.
If I was, if I was a Democrat, I'd block this nominee all the way till the Republicans
are out of office, right?
But if they go to move in that direction, here's my prediction, one, the press will be vicious
to them. They will say, oh, the Democrats, they're blocking things. It's obstruction. It's
obstruction. I can't believe they're doing tit for tat. And it's just not right. When they go low,
you should surrender, okay? And they will, they'll say it, and they'll be furious in their
rage, and they will equate everything. That, whatever maneuvered Democrats do, they will equate
it to the worst things that Donald Trump has ever done, right? And the second part of the
prediction is, as usual, the Democrats will go, okay, oh no, oh no, New York Times criticized me.
Otherwise, you're supposed to say something.
Okay, I give up.
I give up.
Okay, go ahead.
That's what's going to happen.
You mark my words.
Yeah.
I was going to try to debate you on that, but I think you're right.
The only thing that I will disagree with you on is that Democrats acted the way that they did during the debates over the Affordable Care Act because they were afraid of the Republicans because they were, you know, because they wanted to uphold the rules, that they cared about the rules.
No, look, we all know that the Democrats didn't want a public option.
The Democrats didn't want real health care reform.
And that's the reason why Democrats are now paying the price for their behavior in the past.
So I don't think they were, yes, I do think they are afraid of the press.
I do think that they're incredibly weak.
But I also think that they are influenced by the same corporate interests that we accuse the
Republicans of being influenced by.
And that was certainly the case with the Affordable Care Act.
No, totally agree.
That's a great counterpoint, Anna, but I'll just end on this, which is that even though
that's fair, what I'm concerned about in that context is the press reaction.
And so because they frame the issues.
And in that case, they framed it as the Democrats would be doing something terrible and unprecedented
if they put too many things through reconciliation.
Later, the Republicans, when they gained office under Trump, did the giant tax cuts through
reconciliation, and the press didn't say a peep.
There was no giant debate like there was during the Affordable Care Act about reconciliation.
All of a sudden, it was entirely irrelevant.
So the press, every time, it looks like they were born yesterday.
They're like, oh, reconciliation.
What's that?
Oh, I guess this is the maneuver, no big deal.
You were the same guys who wrote the articles back in 2008 and 09, or 09 mainly,
talking about, oh, my God, ooh, the Democrats better not mess with reconciliation.
Make sure you do the right ones, but not the other kinds of bills through reconciliation.
And we're watching you.
Why? Republicans, rebels, we hate the Democrats.
We'll tell you how terrible the Democrats are.
Oh, you're Republicans, you're so good, you're so good.
And so that's generally the mainstream press.
They do it less with Trump.
I know that.
I can see that, right?
But when it comes to establishment Republicans, especially people like Mitch McConnell,
they cannot wait to bow down to them.
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Satellite images indicate that North Korea has continued upgrading its nuclear research.
Now, this is evidence that's been provided by an organization known as 38 North, and it
is an organization that's very much in favor of diplomatic talks with North Korea in order
to convince them to denuclearize.
But they have been using satellite imaging to see whether or not they are planning to uphold
their side of the deal with Trump and begin denuclearizing.
Recent evidence proves that that is not likely the case.
So let me give you the details.
The satellite images from last week, June 21st, to be exact, show that North Korea is making
numerous improvements to the infrastructure at a nuclear research facility.
This research facility is referred to as the Yongbeon research facility.
So if you want to do a little more research in that to see what's going on, you can.
The improvements do include a new cooling water pump house, multiple new buildings, completed
construction on a cooling water reservoir, and an apparently active radiochemical laboratory.
It is unclear whether the reactor is still in operation.
Now again, they're relying on these satellite images, and because they're,
of issues with resolution, they don't have as much detail as they would like.
But the North Korean nuclear officials are expected to proceed with business as usual until
Kim Jong-un orders official changes to the procedure.
It appears that he has not ordered official changes to the procedure.
In fact, if you pay close attention or did pay close attention to state-run media in North
Korea, it was very clear that the way they were discussing.
the agreement was very different from how it was being portrayed by the Trump administration.
They thought, hey, the U.S. is going to concede and do all these great things for us, and then
we will respond by denuclearizing. Trump administration is not making it seem like that's the
case. Anyway, long story short, that negotiation was vague. That statement that they both signed
was vague, and it did not specify a timeline or verification. But it did give Trump a nice little
photo op, and at least he's approaching it from a diplomatic angle.
That's the only thing that we can really say about it.
As usual, I feel like the TYT network, and it's not just the Young Turks, it's, again,
people like secular talk and humanist report and so many others in the network, are the only
ones that are covering it with rationality.
So on the one hand, there's the people who oppose Trump on everything because he's Trump.
MSMSC.
And so, oh my God, don't do talks with the North Koreans that only encourages them.
But you guys were the ones saying that when Obama did talks with Iran, it was great.
And because, you know why, it is great.
So it's always been preposterous to say, don't talk to your enemies, it gives them credibility.
You can talk to your friends all day long, but it's not going to help you to get to peace.
Because you're already at peace with your allies.
Of course, with the obvious exception of when Trump is president.
And all you do is attack your allies, right?
But in some topsy intervie world, Trump thinks, well, I want to talk to all the dictators,
but I want to attack all of our allies.
It's insanity.
Anyway, Putin's like, now that part, not everybody in the network agrees to.
Anyways, so, but I like, and we all like, that he's talking to North Korea and trying for peace.
That's not a bad thing.
Don't let the establishment tell you anything otherwise.
On the other hand, we would like something to come out of the talks.
Now, they say, oh my God, you validated him.
Kim Jong-un has a picture of him himself and the president up in his office.
Actually, Trump has one in his office, too.
Yes, he does.
He replaced photos of Macron with photos of Kim Jong-un.
I'm not kidding.
In the White House.
Yeah.
And okay, but as long as you got a peace deal, I'm super happy with it.
Have all the pictures you want with dictators.
No problem at all, right?
But we got nothing, we got nothing.
And for the right wing to be like, oh, you see, that's how you negotiate, you get a diplomat like that.
We get a Nobel Peace Prize up in there, okay?
But what did you get?
If you actually denuclearize them, great.
I'd give you all the credit in the world.
And I've done that in the past.
When Bush said a deal with the North Koreans, I know it wasn't a great deal.
But at least we got something in return, and it delayed them being more monstrous.
And it delayed him a little bit.
I was like, it's not perfect, but I'll take it.
And it was one of the better things that Bush did.
Obama, I think, made a lot of mistakes in foreign policy as well as domestic.
But his deal with Iran was fantastic.
We actually did take away their nuclear program.
And all we did was give them their own money back.
Now, of course, Trump screwed that up.
In this case, we told you he got nothing.
And so they're still humming along on their nuclear program.
So we haven't solved a damn thing.
And all that Trump has done is put the country back to sleep.
It's okay.
That's so true, yes.
I got a deal, it's okay, don't bother looking at North Korea.
Oh, they're still making nukes.
Well, it would be embarrassing for me to point out that I got nothing.
So I'm not even going to let you know or do anything about the fact that they're still
developing nukes.
So one of the things that really stood out to me about reaction from people that we tend
to agree with, right?
People on the left that we tend to agree with was, don't, you can't criticize what's going
on right now. This is great. This summit is great. I mean, we were on the verge of a nuclear disaster
and Trump managed to calm the situation down. No, but we were on the verge of a nuclear disaster
because of Trump. I mean, this is standard operating procedure for Donald Trump. Create a crisis
yourself, unilaterally, and then as soon as you do something entirely mediocre to calm things
down a little bit, demand cookies. And it drove me crazy. No, look, yes. Yes.
I love diplomatic talks.
I prefer the diplomatic approach, right?
I don't want to go to war.
But I also want to ensure that we hold Trump's feet to the fire and not allow him to take
all this credit for doing something amazing when in reality you dig a little deeper and you
realize he hasn't really done anything at all.
Can we all agree that Anna's digging is super cute?
Dig a little deeper.
Is that how we dig?
Okay.
Like a little squirrel.
We didn't think a little bit.
We didn't even get any nuts except Trump.
Yeah, it's true, biggest nut of all.
Oh, that's right.
Okay, so, oh, you made Edwin laugh.
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Okay, I think we're done with that story.
Yeah, we are.
All right, we're gonna take a break.
When we come back, Harley Davidson, more madness.
That story appropriately has twists and turns.
TURRs.
Lots of twists and turns.
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