The Young Turks - AOC V. Stein

Episode Date: September 14, 2024

Trump changes course again, says he won't hold another debate with Harris. Fox News’ 2024 ""power rankings"" put Harris in the lead over Trump for the first time. ""He doesn’t take this election seriously"": Trump allies fear Laura Loomer will tank his campaign. Jill Stein gets smacked down after AOC criticism on The Breakfast Club: ""The one thing AOC has done that you haven't is win some elections.""" HOST: John Iadarola (@johniadarola), Cenk Uygur (@cenkuygur), Francesca Fiorentini (@franifio) SUBSCRIBE on YOUTUBE: ☞ https://www.youtube.com/user/theyoungturks FACEBOOK: ☞ https://www.facebook.com/theyoungturks TWITTER: ☞ https://www.twitter.com/theyoungturks INSTAGRAM: ☞ https://www.instagram.com/theyoungturks TIKTOK: ☞ https://www.tiktok.com/@theyoungturks 👕 Merch: https://shoptyt.com ❤ Donate: http://www.tyt.com/go 🔗 Website: https://www.tyt.com 📱App: http://www.tyt.com/app 📬 Newsletters: https://www.tyt.com/newsletters/ If you want to watch more videos from TYT, consider subscribing to other channels in our network: The Watchlist https://www.youtube.com/watchlisttyt Indisputable with Dr. Rashad Richey https://www.youtube.com/indisputabletyt The Damage Report ▶ https://www.youtube.com/thedamagereport TYT Sports ▶ https://www.youtube.com/tytsports The Conversation ▶ https://www.youtube.com/tytconversation Rebel HQ ▶ https://www.youtube.com/rebelhq TYT Investigates ▶ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwNJt9PYyN1uyw2XhNIQMMA Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Drop it like it's raining cats and dogs. Power Power Power Panel. Jane Huger, John Iderola, Francesca Furentini, live from the Polymarket Studio, at least two out of the three of us are. Okay, and... You all guess who? All right. John, of course, the host of Damage Report. Everybody check that out.

Just cost a million subscribers on YouTube, not a big deal. although kind of a big deal and Francesca's podcast is the bituation room, a saucy title. It's in the TYAT network for podcasts. Check that out wherever you get podcasts. All right. So guys, a little bit later in this program, Donald Trump says they're coming for the geese. Okay, so apparently the geese are also in danger and that the Haitians should be deported, but he doesn't know where they're coming from and thinks that maybe they should be deported back to Venezuela.

Okay, those are quotes. We'll show you later in the show. Okay, so fun for everybody. John, speaking of crazy, let's go to the first story. All of this as a follow-up to a failed debate performance is such a weird set of choices, including our first topic. Far right conspiracy theorist and all-around loon, Laura Lumer, is apparently behind the scenes, a closer and closer relationship with that guy, Donald Trump and Laura Lumer, big buds for some reason, who saw that mashup coming? But many in the even the Trump circle are worried

about this and think that this is a strange thing to do to bring in independence, convince people to support you. And Donald Trump was asked questions about these new reports earlier today and this is what he had to say about it. You're just saying your Republican colleagues or your allies who are concerned about your close relationship with Laura Lumer. Well, I don't know what they would say. Laura's been a supporter of mine, just like a lot of people are supporters. And she's been a supporter of mine. She speaks very positively of the campaign.

I'm not sure why you asked that question. But Laura is a supporter. I don't control Laura. Laura has to say what she wants. She's a free spirit. She made racist remarks about your opponent. She also espoused conspiracy theories about 9-11. Do you disavow those remarks?

Well, I have to see what the remarks are. You're telling me for the first time we're here about, we're here discussing the destruction of San Francisco and California by a person that's running for president. So I don't even know what you're talking about. I do know that she may have said something based on what you're telling me, but I don't know what she said. But I'll go take a look and I'll put out a statement. statement later on, but I really don't know, please.

I can't wait for the statement. Let's check truth social. I bet it's out by now. It's been a few hours. Obviously, that's never going to come. By the way, note to all reporters, when you're going to ask a question like that, which you should, and you're going to say this person said something, you have the quote, okay? Because he's going to say, I don't know what you're talking about, I don't know the quote,

so you read it to him. That's what you do. He still will pretend he doesn't have to answer the questions. the questions, but that was what I would do. By the way, that presser that you just saw there with the world's shakiest podium was one in which he brushed off the fact that there have been bomb threats in Springfield, apparently tied to the conspiracy theories that he's spreading there. He ignored a fact check of the eating the dugs thing and just pressed on with his life. He accused the FBI defrauding America by making up crime data. And he also said that David

Mure's hair isn't as good as it was five years ago. All of that from the man who would be president, but obviously the big topic there, he doesn't know why he's being asked about Laura Lumer, but I think we all understand. If you're new to politics, maybe this is your first election, really paying attention to this, you might not be that familiar with Laura Lumer, and I wish more Americans could join you in that, but she's one of the craziest people in this whole thing, like one of the craziest, one of the dumbest, we call Matt Gates stupid, we call Marjorie Green conspiratorial. she makes them look relatively reputable.

She's just a legitimate crazy person. You listen to one sentence out of her mouth, you take a look at her face and it's very clear. And she has the track record to prove that. It is truly strange for a guy who wants to be president, fresh off a whoopin at a debate, to be gallivanting around the country with her for some reason now. I have theories as to why he might be doing this now more than before. But what do you all make of this and his answers there? One of our members just wrote in with a very saucy theory on it.

All right, we'll get to that in a minute. So first of all, I just, for those of you who don't know, not only as Laura Lumer has said, like the most outrageously racist things against Muslims, but again, in America, especially in the right wing, that's Tuesday. But she says, yeah, I'm a white nationalist. and she has said that America is a white Judeo-Christian ethno state. So forget democracy. It should be a state based on white Christian and Jewish identity only.

And not only it should be, it is, she says. And that's, so look, if you're Donald Trump and you just ran into her, let's say you even took a picture with her. I'm not going to get on you for it. I get it. There's a lot of people with a lot of crazy thoughts. You didn't know, or you just, but wait a minute, you've been spending a long time with her. She's on the plane.

She went with you to commemorate 9-11. Later we'll tell you she's a 9-11 conspiracy theorist. Of course, right? You're taking advice from her, a couple of the lunatic conspiracy theories like the cats and dogs getting eaten are from Laura Lumer. And I didn't know this, I found this out today. It turns out Kamel just turned black also from Laura Lumer. So you're spending all this time with her getting your thoughts from. From her, and Trump, first of all, let me clarify the main reason why Trump's hanging out with her.

Because Trump is Laura Lumer. It's not like there's a credible presidential candidate and they happen to get hoodwinked and they had no idea about what she believed. No, Trump believes the same exact hateful thing she does and the same lunatic conspiracy theories she does. You can't name one ridiculous conspiracy theory that Laura Lumer's come up with that Trump doesn't believe. It doesn't exist. So they're the same person.

And then there's the interesting theories otherwise. But the bottom line is, yeah, when she says, like, of course it should be a white nationalist ethno state, that's not that biggest surprise to Donald Trump. And the fact is, if you take about his word and you're MAGA and he's that demigodding, he never lies. Okay, well, in that case, you've got a thermonuclear political person next to you that is going to burn tons of votes, maybe millions of votes, because I'm not. I know, Maga, you think that everybody should be as hateful and ignorant as you are,

but sorry, the rest of the country isn't. So if you want to win, doing this is so stupid. So thank you very much for being this dumb. But how about your candidate? How about he's a strategic genius? Why is he walking around carrying a toxic person around who's going to burn all those votes for him? Because at a bare minimum, he's a dumbass. He never checks anything.

He's just, oh yeah, they're eating cats and dogs. By the way, she didn't even say dogs. He added in dogs. So of course, look, I, this is starting to, this is starting to become gaslighting. I mean, it's been for a long, long time. But I'm, Donald Trump is not just, oh, he's slightly worse. Oh, I'm slightly worried about him. The guy is mentally unstable, period, period.

It's totally mentally unstable. If you're not, if you don't acknowledge that, you're not a serious person. You're just a goofball who doesn't understand anything about politics, doesn't understand the words that are spoken, or you think mainstream media hate Donald Trump, no way. They're scared to death of him in a lot of ways. Yes, they attack him from time to time. No question about it. I'm not denying that they attack him by doing things like fact checks.

And they're like, oh, what an attack that's so unfair, they should just let them lie all the time. But do they truly understand? They don't, you know why? Because they believe in great man miss. And so they think Donald Trump was president, he's a great man, he must have strategy behind this Laura Lumer thing, he can't possibly believe the conspiracy theories she does. Of course he does, he's not a great man, he's a tiny, tiny man who is very mentally unstable. So much more on Laura Lumer and her attacks against Kamala Harris's ethnicity, which could

prove problematic for J.D. Vance. That coming up, Frannie. Yeah, there's so much to say about Laura Lumer, but if I were Kamala Harris, I would absolutely start running ads with all of the things that Laura Lumer has said and say, yeah, this is who he's hanging out with, see for yourself. And I agree with you that sometimes mainstream media just goes way too high with this. They feel like they don't need to talk about, you know, these characters in the subterranean MAGA movement like Lumer or like Nick Fuentes, but they should.

And sadly, we know their names, but we should know their names because this is. Nazi stuff? Like the other thing that even Kamala Harris doesn't go hard enough. I mean, she rarely even talks about being a black woman and being a woman, you know, which I think a lot of people are excited about and for many different strategic reasons. But let's be clear, dude is a Nazi. This week, he's been spinning and regurgitating Nazi talking points out of Springfield from a guy who was in a group called Blood Pride. How is he not a Nazi? Let's take it from his wife Ivana, that he had Mine Kampf on his bedside table. This is time and again. So the other thing we all are pretending, other than he should be running for president,

that all of his criminality shouldn't bar him becoming president, that he could somehow be president while in prison, is that he's not an out and out white nationalist, just like Laura Lumer said, he's a white nationalist. And I will just say, Jank, to correct you, it's not a white nationalist ethno state. It's a white nationalist ethno state of filler. And so don't forget the role that Botox and filler play in this future perfect race world country that we will live in. Francesca, really fast, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe a fact check. It wasn't Mind Kampf. It was a book of Hitler's speeches, which I think is worse because it's

a deeper cut. It's like you could say mine camp is a famous book, I should be familiar with this, but like you're studying his speeches. Okay, interesting. But anyway, um, I just, it's so straight. Oh, by the way, I got fact checked. Well, not fact check, I didn't assert anything, but I asked the question. I said, you know, I wonder if he's given his, he's put out a statement. So he did actually, 10 minutes before we went live. He says Laura Lumer doesn't work for the campaign.

Dude, she's on your private jet. Many people work for the campaign that you're not literally hugging by your side at memorial events. So it's way worse than working for the campaign. She's a private citizen and long time supporter. What does that have to do with any of this? I disagree with the statements she made, but like many millions of people, blah, blah, blah, they're being mean to me. Okay, well, now to the media, he says he disagrees in general.

He's not going to acknowledge any specific thing that she said. Any of the wildly Islamophobic, homophobic, racist comments. Wild conspiracy theories beyond the wildest fantasies of anyone from the Daily Wire of Fox News or O-E-N. And so now get those specific comments and at his next presser, start to read the things she said. The insanely racist comments about Kamala Harris, she has years of this going back, bizarre stunts and all that. He is now saying it's not a problem. I don't have a problem with it. I'm going to keep her by me.

So now is your turn to step up and ask some necessary follow-ups there. But for now, I do want to move on to another aspect of this. Since earlier this week, we've been noticing more and more right wingers sort of pushing back against Laura Lumer becoming Donald Trump's like, I guess, assistant or surrogate something, I don't know. And Marjorie Green was, to her credit, one of the first to really make a big stink about the fact that Laura Lumer has, I guess, replaced her by Donald Trump's side. And so she put out some tweets calling Laura Luma a racist, which she is. Laura Lumer responded by calling Marjorie Green an anti-Semite, which also she is.

But now Green has got some help, okay? One of those spinny, sparkly portals opened up and Lindsay Graham has come out, I Bombay, and here is what he has to say. He says Marjorie Taylor Green is right. I don't say that a lot. Neither do I. We have policy disagreements, but the history of this person, Laura Lumer, is just really toxic. I mean, she actually called for Kelly and Conway's daughter to hang herself. I don't know how all this happened, but no, I don't think it's helpful. I don't think it's helpful at all. And look, he's obviously has an issue with Laura Lumer, but she responded in a very serious and restrained way, saying Lindsey Graham got wasted after the debate the other night and

est all over Donald Trump and his advisors because he was drunk and flapping his gums to the media. Lindsay Graham was drunk as a skunk and started blabbing, trying to impress the first gay reporter he could come across in the spin room, and then blah, blah, blah, I don't have time to deal with petty bull-esque from jealous women in closet cases. there's only one thing I care about getting Donald Trump elected. And of course, she for some reason thinks that her presence or her advice will help him in that. By the way, like if Laura Lumer comes across this, we're criticizing you because you deserve it. I don't want you to stop hanging out with Donald Trump.

You understand that, right? The issue with ignorance is that you can be ignorance of your own, ignorant of your own ignorance. You don't know how much damage your mere presence, let alone every word out of your mouth will do, to Donald Trump and to the Republicans, so flame on, stay by his side. Like, we're going to criticize you because you're crazy and you're terrible. You're one of the worst people in America, but you're also materially hurting Donald Trump's chances. So have fun. I hope, you know, they've got some great appetizers on this private jets. I think it's great what you're doing for Donald Trump.

Yep. So I have a question for her, which I already asked the social media. I also have a question for JD Vance. See how this works at. Because Laura Louer, just said, if Kamala Harris wins, the White House will smell like curry, and White House speeches will be facilitated via call center and the American people will only be able to convey their feedback through a customer satisfaction survey at the end of the call that nobody will understand. So an obvious reference to Kamala Harris's South Asian background. So how is the vice president's residence going to smell if J.D. Vance wins? because J.D. Vance's wife is also Indian.

So is J.D. Vance cool with it? These kind of comments about Indian people? Yes. But somebody should ask him. And I'd like to, I'd love to ask Ushah Vance. If you say, oh, no, you're not allowed to, why? This is apparently one of the top advisors of the president. He's bringing her everywhere.

He's using all over conspiracy theories on the national debate stage. I don't know that he took as much advice from J.D. Vance as he did from Laura Lumer. before the debate. So I think we got a right to know how does J.D. Vance and his wife feel about Laura Lumer's overt racism against Indians in this country. Rani. I mean, I think once you clerk for enough people involved in the Brooks Brothers riot, you become an honorary white. So I think Ushah, Usha's hung her South Asian descent at the door. She knows what the role is, and it is to be the wife of the biggest cuck. in the country right now, and that right now, although the son of Cuck has smiled upon

people like Ted Cruz is really now smiling on J.D. Vance. I mean, what's crazy about Lumer is we all saw her response to Marjorie Green's tweet about like, why are you saying this? This sounds racist, which again, pot calling kettle black, they're just, you know, in insane amounts of hypocrisy there. But she's like, no, actually, I say call center, because Because she'll never answer the phone if president. Therefore, she's so unaccountable. She'll need a call center. Like, what are we doing? This is the same like, it was a joke. I was kidding. Lighten up. And John, I'm actually kind of struck by Trump even saying, I disagree with her statements. Because when have we ever known him to disassociate himself from someone who was a Nazi? Like, he hasn't. He never, he never disassociates himself from former statements that he made. He never says, he misspoke about Charlottesville people, you know, protesters being good people on both sides. Like, so it's, I don't know what's going on, but it's interesting that he was like, okay, I don't agree with everything she said. Yeah, I guess he could have done nothing. I suppose that's

true. When he makes these sort of like minor concessions to sanity, I think it says much less about him, although feel free to read it that way, if you want to give him credit, than it does about his read of the situation. I think it's just an indication that he is maybe being. beginning to think, maybe I shouldn't have it wrong, maybe this is actually pretty bad because this has become a really bad news cycle. Now maybe on some level, he likes this news cycle better than the news cycle of him having his clock cleaned by Kamala Harris at the debate. I don't know.

But yeah, you mentioned the call center thing. When she said the White House is going to smell like curry, she said later, well, I was just saying because she's going to make cooking videos. I'm like, again, it's the issue, really, really stupid people don't know how stupid they are. And they wildly overestimate their ability to manipulate people. It's like a child trying to tell their first lie to an adult. And the adult is like, but I literally saw you do it. You know, that's not how deception works, right?

It's like that. She's mentally at the level of a toddler. And yet is, you know, advisor to perhaps the next president of the United States. And so former Trump campaign staffers are talking about how she's a complete grifter. She has no filter. There's a lot of people beyond just Marjorie Green and Lindsay Graham that are trying to put some distance between them. But they acknowledge that he likes her content, again, conspiracies, just whatever she reads on, you know, Facebook posts and 4chan or whatever, and that she's a great warrior who goes to battle for him,

I guess. And I think, I think that's, look, Donald Trump is having a bad year. The court cases, his wife doesn't want to be seen within 20 miles of him. And now he's trailing, he's not going up against Biden, it's been a really bad year. And Donald Trump is a simple guy and he wants someone who's gonna compliment him and tell him that he's awesome and just stroke his ego and all that. And that's what he's getting. And that's why he flies around with people that, there's no reason why she should be there.

Why was he flying around with Alina Haba for months? He puts people around him who are going to puff him up and make him feel better about his situation, even if in so doing, he makes his situation actually worse for himself. Yeah. Maybe he's confusing them. Do we ever think that maybe he thinks Lumer is Haba? Because Lumer does look like Haba, like left out in the sun, you know, just like gotten a look. Lomers is good of a lawyer. Yeah, look, I'll get into a theory in a second.

But first, you know, the excuses that Trump is making or the Trump's handlers are making for him is, well, you know, he probably doesn't know all of her conspiracy theories. And, you know, and so, but we haven't been able to tell him yet because he, you know, he gets upset and stuff. They're treating him like he's a baby because he is a baby. Like, so he, you can't tell a guy who's been president of the United States before and is running for president, hey, maybe one of your associates is not that helpful to the campaign. That's like campaign 101. That's a conversation that has to happen with the principle of the campaign from time to time. But they can't talk to him because he's so thin skin that he won't listen to anyone. And Mr. President, it's a bad idea to say people are eating cats and dogs,

especially when she made it up out of nothing. And everyone says it's not true. Huh? What? What? And we're having a conversation. Come on, guys. It's not a debate. It's not a debate. He's just imbecile of the highest order.

All right, now, if Fannie said, called him a Nazi, right? I don't say Nazi, I say fascist. I'm fair. Fair is show in America. And that's because he did a coup against America with this fake elector plot. Every fascist, you know, foreign leaders, he's like, oh, they're so great. I love those guys, right? And on and on and on it goes.

But if you say, well, Laura Luma, are you sure she's a fascist? Well, let's go to C2 here. It's a video that happened in 2022, as she was, I think it was right after she ran for Congress. Let's see what kind of company she keeps. This is far right activist Laura Lumer and white nationalist Nick Fuentes, cheering to. To the hostile takeover of the Republican Party. Absolutely. And now Donald Trump has had dinner with Nick Fuentes and now is palling around with Laura Lumer.

hostile takeer of the Republican Party complete, so buyer beware. Now again, as John pointed out, there's a lot of good people that are saying this is a bad idea, yes, even within the Republican Party, and that are conservatives, Bhakia Unger Sargon is a conservative I've debated with on the issue of Israel, and we've had a lot of, and other topics too. And she's conservative, she says she likes Trump's policies, and she's like, what are we doing here. We can't, she's like, I might not support him if he's backing people like Laura Lumer. There's Laura Lumer hanging out and toasting to take over the Republican Party with a

guy who thinks that Adolf Hitler was a pretty good guy. That's Nick Fuentes. So this is utter madness, let alone, okay, so everybody's asking why, why, why, why? I think the 90% of the reason is because Donald Trump agrees with Laura Lumer on everything. And I don't think it's complicated at all. But there are rumors and Boomer Dragon Cat, one of our, members here said, I think there may be something going on with Luma besides politics, if you know what I mean. Now, the reason why I read that is because that's getting some buzz now, because they're touching each other. Let's put it this way, a lot more than a Melania's touching him, okay, in public. So now, do I know that? Absolutely not. I'm not. I'm not. Like,

the right wing would say, that's it. It's official. It's definite. That's happening. And then they throw in details and stuff. No, I have no idea. And nor do I care. I don't care at all. The only thing I care about is that he agrees with 100% of what she says. So you don't have to go in that direction and you don't have to worry about that. And in fact, I think that's almost like a defense, like an excuse for Donald Trump. Oh, he, like, oh, maybe he's in a relationship with. No, he agrees with her.

Well, if they're in love, it's okay. If they're in love, it's fine. No, no, franny, like, it's an excuse. The white ethno state is fine as so long as there's love between him. Yeah, look, again, we have no idea. no idea, okay? But my, the reason why I say it's like maybe they're using it as an excuse or, and I don't, I have no idea. But it is because otherwise, the only other reason he's hanging out with her is because he agrees with all of her hateful statements and all of her

conspiracy theories. So you pick, you know, so which reason you think it is. I think it's that he agrees with her completely. And that's a disaster for the Republicans. So look, if he wins, is a disaster for the country. But final thing for me on this is, here's what MAGA does get. Maga's making the same exact mistake as the establishment is. They're in their own bubble, and they think that everybody thinks like they do. They don't. The rest of the country does not want a white Judeo-Christian ethno state. They don't want to be, as she declared herself, a proud Islamophore. Yeah, they might have issues with Muslims and Sarah, but they don't say the awful, terrible things that Loomer says about Muslims, Indian people, black people, you name

me, there isn't a group, they don't hang out with people who love Hitler, okay? That's not a thing that the country's interested in, but Magna thinks, what do you mean? Her and Nick Fuentes, yes, yes, the whole country agrees with us, right? We're going to win 100% of the vote. You sound like the establishment who's like, oh, I love the status quo. Everybody loves corporate rule, don't they? Oh, they think everyone, all the politicians are honest, wonderful, venerable people, don't they? No, no, they don't.

No, only you think that if you're in the establishment or in mainstream media. Only MAGA thinks that people, Haitian immigrants are eating cats and dogs and Democrats are executing babies and Laura Lumer's a wonderful person. So go ahead and lose the election because you can't see straight. All right, we got to go. So we got a lot more stories. That was a huge one. It's getting a ton of buzz, but we got way more things related to the campaign, including

has Kamala Harris officially taking the lead when we return. All right back on TYT, Jank, John Frannie, with you guys also, Seb. I hope it's not Gorka. I'm playing with you, Seb, I know it's not. Causeari, not sorry, Faluda 87, and shower curtain sleeper. That's a fun handle. 1 Love 83, thank you for gifting a young curse membership and on t.com slash debate, where we're still trying to raise money for the debates to make the next vice presidential

debate happen, et cetera. Nebethit, thank you for the donation. Appreciate it. While you're checking out things that we're up to, we launched Trump brackets last night. So that's the 64, the worst things that Donald Trump has ever said or done. If you play the prediction brackets, It's good, just go to tramp brackets.com. Fill out your prediction brackets and you could win a thousand dollars in the entire Walls Harris collection at shop t-y-t.com. So, but a thousand bucks to whoever wins. So several hundred people have already entered, go and do it. Later we're gonna play the game, like the one seed versus a 16 seed, etc.

You're gonna absolutely love the game. And if you didn't fill out a prediction bracket, you're gonna kick yourself because one, it's fun and two, you're gonna win a good amount of money. All right, John. I got to fill that out later today. That's going to be a lot of fun. Oh, you guys are going to love it. Okay, well, earlier this week, the debate went pretty well, I think. I don't know about you.

I would be down for a second, but will there be a sequel? They're rebooting everything these days. Well, let's see if we can figure it out. What we need to change for you to agree to a second debate. Would you want different rules? Would you want it different format? Well, you know, when you don't win, it's like a fighter. When a fighter is a bad fight gets knocked out or loses the fight, the first thing he says

is we want a rematch. So we won the debate according to every poll, every single poll, I think that are we going to do a rematch? I just don't know. We'll think about it. Would you still do the one on NBC on September 25th? You proposed that. Are you still?

I would do NBC. I'd do Fox too. Oh, so that was Wednesday. And Donald Trump, at that point, he's less than 20. 24 hours out from being absolutely destroyed in epic fashion by Kamala Harris. Wednesday, he's saying, okay, NBC, yeah, sure, Fox News, yeah, sure. So he started to talk about like, you know, Harris only wants another one because she lost or whatever, but sure, I'd maybe be down for two additional debates, okay?

He talked to Sean Hannity and had said, if you won the debate, I sort of think maybe I shouldn't do it, why should I do another debate? So depending on who he's talking to, there's a little bit. of mixed messaging about whether he would do another. But then he gave a speech just yesterday in Arizona, and the topic of a possible follow-up debate came up. And this seemed a little bit more definitive. And that's what she said. I want to rematch. Polls slowly show that I won the debate against Comrade Kamala Harris. I had a debate with Crooked Joe Biden, right? And I had another debate with her. She and Crooked Joe have destroyed our country with millions of criminals

and mentally deranged people pouring into the USA, totally unchecked, unvetted, and with inflation bankrupting our middle class, it has gotten bad. Everyone knows this and all of the other problems caused by Kamala and Joe. It was discussed in great detail during the first debate with Joe in the second debate with Comrade Harris. She was a no show at the Fox debate. You know, Fox invited her. She was a no show. I sat with the great Sean Hannity. Does anybody know Sean? Kamala should focus on what she should have done during the last almost four-year period.

She kept complaining, well, you know, when I'm in, I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that. And at the end of the debate, I said, why don't you just do it? You could leave right now. Why don't you do it? So because we've done two debates and because they were successful, there will be no third debate. There's a lot in that video I think to enjoy. There's a guy who is claiming to have won all of these debates saying no more, I'm not doing anymore. And the crowd of people that love him and think that he wins debates when he does them, cheer. Why are they cheering?

Why don't they want him to win a third debate and a fourth debate? I mean, he's such a good debater, right, Maga crowd? So that's a little bit weird. I also love him consoling himself in the week of his loss by repeatedly mispronouncing your name, as if that's going to improve his standing in the polls or something. And so a lot of that is weird. Now you should bear in mind, after he actually won the first debate against Joe Biden. He'd had a poor performance himself, but he beat Joe Biden because Joe Biden was barely there.

He called at a rally for another debate against Joe Biden to finish him off. He was so enthusiastic and pumped up by the fact that he'd actually won that he wanted another debate. Now, if you're calling for debate, it means that you lost. I don't know who to trust. I mean, I know that it's not him. But anyway, I'll give him a little bit of credit. I've been critical of him saying the lines about the countries being flooded by, you know, deranged, mentally deranged people who were unchecked and unvetted.

And I think that it's still largely exaggerated, but at least one of them has been popping up on his private jet. So there's something to what he's saying. But anyway, it really doesn't look like we're gonna have one. He posted on true social, there will be no third debate. I mean, this guy, he got beat. When a prize fighter. He got beat so bad, but he's just done with debates.

But it could still happen. This could be negotiating or he could end up, we're going to talk about the polls later. He'd be down in the polls so much that like he just has to swing, you know, for the fences or whatever with a debate. But as of right now, it looks like he doesn't want to try again. Yeah, well, except for the fact that don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. And so especially on debates, he's constantly like, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm doing it, and so, and I'm doing it with a Fox host, but not the other Fox host.

I'm not doing it at all, but I'm doing it. So, by the way, since he put out the statement that you just saw there that he's not doing it, he has wavered and said he might. But of course, of course. This is in his ridiculous mind, this is him negotiating publicly. And if you remember how the last negotiation went, he said, you know what? I'm not doing the debate on ABC. It's got to be on Fox here.

I'm not doing it. And he thought he could bully Kamala Harris. She's like, nope, ABC. We said ABC. I'm sticking with ABC. See, if you want, show up, if not, that's up to you. And he's like, yeah, I'm not gotten it. Yeah, ha, ha, no, no, okay, fine, I'll come.

Oops, apparently you suck at the art of the deal. Of course, a book he didn't write. His ghostwriter did, and his ghostwriter now hates him and thinks he's a danger to the country and the world. And he won the debate, according to all the polls. First of all, every poll shows two to one victory for Kamala Harris. And that one is so obvious. bag of guys go, no, no, no, they are eating cats of dogs, they are executing babies.

I loved it. I thought he did great. I thought he did great. Okay, so he got slaughtered. And guys, same polls had Trump winning two to one against Biden in the debate before. So what, did they rig the polls halfway through? And why did they rig them in favor of Donald Trump before? None of it makes any sense. But the reason I brought up is he said, one of the polls, I'd be winning 928. Yeah, all the Democrats, too. They're like, no, maybe they're They are executing babies and then eating their cats. So, okay, I'll say we're all voting for Trump. Woo-hoo, hoo-hoo.

Yeah. I think he's already pivoting to chaos. I mean, he's been at chaos levels, but I think he's pivoting to, look, he's not going to get himself up, dust himself off and say, okay, I did poorly. Even all these right-wingers online are, you know, with different varying size podcasts are saying, that I didn't do so well. Maybe I should dust myself off and have a rematch and actually come up with a plan and actually find out what tariffs mean. That'd be cool.

Then I could explain him. But no, he's now pivoting to just chaos to probably, I mean, we're within 54 days of the election or something. Like, he is now pivoting to election result denialism, very important for the MAGA movement. Voter suppression, also very important for the MAGA movement. And then inspiring violence, if and when he loses. So that's, I mean, because there's other things to do, guys, other than campaign and actually try to provide any sort of plan for the American people. Or maybe he's working on his concepts.

Lots of concepts of a plan. Conceptually, concepts are quite a difficult concept. So it takes a while to first conceptualize it. So that's it. You know, this is him throwing in the towel and going from here on out. It's just them cheating and us, you know, hey, get your guns. You know, we're going to see more and more violent rhetoric, I think, from MAGA folks. Yeah, I saw a video of a helicopter, military helicopter getting ready for potential riots in D.C.

So things are getting real. And but by the way, he was leading like a minute ago. And he got to 50-50 and he panicked. And he went to a giant spiral. He had no reason to go into a spiral. The Democrats have to win the popular vote by about five points. So as we're about to tell you, Kamala Harris has just got there. But why is he spiraling when he was tied or winning?

He's such a dumb, dumb. If he hadn't done the spiral, he might have won this thing. Obviously, we still have a lot of time to go. But right now, not because of Kamala Harris, but because of how insane Donald Trump is, he's now finally losing. Yeah. And I just want to remind everyone, regardless of what happens with that, we do have in like two and a half weeks, you know, we'll see whether we'll be covering it. But the vice presidential debate is going to happen.

And that should be a little bit more even. I mean, Tim Walls is great, but obviously J.D. Vance disagree with them on the policy, but you can't deny the dude's got charisma. And so that one's going to be a little bit more even. I was wondering where you were going on. Yeah. Also, really, can I just say, and this, like, you know how I was like giving Laura Lumer advice? Right wingers, turn off, turn off your screen. I don't want you to hear this, especially Trump. He should do another debate because how could he help but do better than in the last one?

Like now you know for sure, and I know you were already told, but you know for sure she's going to try to trigger you. So you should be at least a little bit better prepared to not be triggered. And you definitely cannot scream about the meaning dogs, right? I mean, you can stop yourself from saying that. I mean, literally, you just do that. And the narrative, by definition, has to be, he improved since the last one. What's so funny, though, John, is that he was restrained during the debate. You have to understand, you know, that was Donald Trump restrained.

Because he still withheld calling her nasty, talking about, like, saying this woman, doing any sort of misogynistic. He said, well, I heard, I read she was black. He did that, but he very much tried to not keep it personal. You think he's going to survive another 90 minutes without a personal attack? I don't think so. I just want to see him try. It would be so great. Yeah, why don't we take our break?

Then we'll come back and we'll do the polls and see what's happened since that. So power rankings are out. You guys are going to enjoy this. And then AOC versus Jill Stein, Jorms. We'll be back. Back on TYT, Jank, John and Frannie with you guys. John's got more news? I do, and it is dramatic news.

Hmm. It appears that the debate has had an effect on the election, and Harris, who was already leading in most polls, appears to have. gained even more coming out of it. In fact, for the first time Fox News's power rankings have put her in the lead over Donald Trump. That is mostly due to them now classifying Georgia and North Carolina as toss-ups in their model.

So they are giving her more expected or projected electoral college votes than Donald Trump's. But in addition to that, we have some new polls, actually several. So the first is a Reuters poll. This is coming after the debate again. And it said that in the debate, they think 53% Harris win, 24% Trump won, just in case Trump is watching. I just want to make sure he knows what a real poll says. But it also has her now up five points over her rival now. Last month, she was up by four.

So gaining at least a point. And as I talked about on the damage report, that doesn't necessarily mean she went from plus four points to plus five. There's reason to believe from the polling over the last week, two weeks that it might have narrowed and now it's even bigger than it was in August. So that's my estimation of the effect. It's more than one point compared to where she was a week ago. There was no bump for Harris in a morning consult poll though. That had her at 50 to 45, although Trump was down one point from 46% in their poll before

the debate. So she didn't get a positive bump to her level of support, but he might have driven some of his voters away. So potato potato, it didn't help him in any event. And we have some other information coming out of these polls, new evaluations of some of the personality characteristics of the candidates, and we have a little bit of policy-based information. But what do you make overall of the change in the national and swing state picture? So a couple of days ago I wrote on Twitter and I said right here on the show, that's it, Kamala Harris is the favorite. And now these polls are bad.

backing that up. And by the way, it doesn't think a rocket science to figure it out. They were in the ballpark of tide. Kamala had about a one and a half point lead going into the debate. And she crushed in the debate. But not only did she crushed, Trump said so many things that were bound to go viral. There was no other thing that could possibly happen than the entire country talking about our Haitians eating cats and dogs. Because that's such a ridiculous insane thing to say in the debate. That's all anybody's going to talk. talk about. And once a huge number of Americans have heard him saying crazy things. And now if you can't go on the internet without hearing some mashup of Trump saying one lunatic thing

after another, to the voice of the Simpsons, to this, to that, et cetera, right? Of course I see he's going to take a beating in the polls. So this is not rocket science. There's two polls in a row, as John just explained, where she's up five points. You've heard me say a billion times over the last year, the Democrat has to win by five. There it is. She's winning by five. So if the election were held today, she would likely win. And so it sucks that it's only likely win when you're up by five, which is a nice size win in a normal election. But in our country, we don't really have a democracy. We have the electoral college, which is absurd. So the Democrat has to win by a lot more. But she's there now. And hence, the smell of panic in the morning for Republicans.

But I will take a quick editorial note here when one of the last polls before Biden dropped down, he was down eight. So for the people who wanted him to stay in, that's a 13 point difference, brothers and sisters. Biden had a 0% chance of winning. You're welcome. Brandy. Yeah, huge. I was just talking on the bituation room today with Tom Bonnier of Target Smart that does a lot of polling data, but specifically registration data. And absolutely, Absolutely Harris crushed, but also, and I hate to be this person, they're talking about the Swift effect, you know, and the fact that actually hourly after Taylor Swift posted what she posted, calling herself a childless cat lady and saying that she urges everyone to register to vote and more specifically to vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walls, they got 10,000 clicks on voter registration, an hour, an hour, and it keeps on going up every single day. The registration is specifically in swing states, but it's broad and concentrated within women and women of color. And that was, there was a bump after Biden dropped out.

Now there's a bump after this debate. And of course, the Taylor Swift endorsement. Like, this is where we are. This is the general. Sometimes celebrity endorsements really make a difference. And I've said this before and I'll say it again. Taylor Swift is not a political figure. You know what she is?

She's a woman who like sings about being a person, like a full human. being like a like a citizen like like like a full with full rights you know like with bodily autonomy rights and the right to like start a family if and when she wants to or never like that's who she is and the fact that our country is so skewed right and the Republicans are so off their stuff that they've made Taylor Swift into a bum not in their favor but in the in the Democrats favor because they are the party that believes that no women should go in the kitchen because all jobs will come back once they are stuck in a kitchen with five babies hanging off of them. Their jobs will come back and their you know what's will grow by half an inch, maybe an inch.

Well, it depends. Like that. And so again, like we are in this home stretch of a celebrity endorsement will absolutely crush you. And the voter registration is huge. And that is definitely exciting. Although, as Jenk mentioned, I think she's winning the popular vote. But we don't do popular vote, do we? So there is still a huge fight ahead.

As we transition our next time, I'm just going to leave people with one other fact. So there was a question to those who watched the debate, who do you think out of the two would be more likely to listen to you and understand your concerns, which is not like do you think they won the debate, will you vote for them? It's just, does this seem like a person that would actually care about what you're going through? 49% said Harris, only 18% said Trump, which is lower than the percentage. who said he won the debate overall, even some of the hardcore MAGA people who lied to

themselves and said that he won, don't think he looked like the sort of person that would listen to them or understand what they're going through. That's amazing. It is amazing, but you have to remember some of them are masochists, so they're like, he wouldn't listen to a person like me, of course not, he shouldn't listen to a person like me, you should only be talking to the elites. That's why I'm such a populist. Okay, well, why don't we mix things up to close out this first hour and get into a little bit of a feud that's been developing throughout the week, starting with this.

Dr. Stein, in 2002, you ran for governor of Massachusetts and you lost. In 2004, you ran for state representative in Massachusetts. You lost. In 2006, you ran for Secretary of the Commonwealth. You also lost. In 2010, you ran for governor again, this time against the first black governor in Massachusetts, Deval Patrick. You lost. This is not DNC talking points. This is my research. And sadly, for you, the research says you have never won an election. One thing that AOC has done that you haven't is win some elections. Yauza. That was Angela Rye, the Breakfast Club, with tough words, or as she would describe, just the facts, that's the electoral record for Jill Stein right there. And, you know, that's a lot when you put it in a short period of time like that. So Jill Stein probably not going to enjoy

that presentation of material. But understand that the question of Jill Stein's strategy, what races she's run in over the last decade or so, it's got a lot more attention over the last week because Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was asked a question about that and responded to it on Instagram. So she was asked by a user, how do I tell my friends, who are Jill Stein voters, they are wasting their time and effort, which is a provocative question, admittedly. But this is what AOC had to say. What I have a problem with is the fact that if you are running for president, you are the de facto leader of your party. I've been on record that about my criticisms of a two-party system.

So this is not about that. But you are the leader of your party. And if you run for years and years and years and years and a row and your party is not grown and you don't add city council seats, and you don't add down valley candidates and you don't add state electives. That's bad leadership. To me, it does not read as authentic. It reads as predatory. What does this person do to grow power? So she's not buying it. And that's some of the harshest criticism that you likely heard of Jill Stein coming from AOC, who's taken a very different path. And that was alluded to by Angela Rye on the Breakfast Club. But we want to be fair and give Jill Stein a chance to respond to

respond. Here is what she had to say following that video by AOC. I just wanted to thank AOC Pelosi so very much for her very authentic concern about growing green power. Clearly, AOC is the attack dog, DeJure, and the Democrats are running scared, and they should be because who wants to support a genocide? AOC, who's supposed to be in leadership of the Democratic Party, it's amazing if she doesn't know about the anti-democratic tactics and strategies that the Democratic Party uses to crush and silence political opposition. Okay, so bit of a fact check, unless I'm wrong, I don't believe the AOC is part of the leadership of the Democratic Party, and I think that AOC having successfully primaried

one of the most powerful Democrats in Joe Crowley, I think that she does understand the way Democrats do things she's seen what the Democratic Party and APEC have done to a number of other members of the squad, that just doesn't mean that she comes out of that experience believing that Jill Stein's particular political strategy is the right one. And so we've got some more that we can get to, but I'm curious what you think about this feud. Yeah, I agree and disagree with all of them. So let me break it down. Number one, so Angela Rye, there's one thing she said that I didn't love, where she was like, you ran against the first black governor of Massachusetts. Why? Was no one supposed to run against him? Because he's the first black

governor. And then she pointed out that Jill Stein ran against Obama. Yeah, he was the president at the time. And now against Harris, she's the Democratic nominee. Like, you don't need to make it racial. Jill Stein's not racist. That's crazy. Okay. So, but on other hand, did she lose all those elections? Yes, she lost all those elections. And has she built power over in those four-year periods between losing the presidential ones to AOC's point, unfortunately they haven't. They've stalled. And so my main issue with the third party runs, the Green Party, et cetera, is, and I've said this a billion times.

Guys, if you get it up to 20, 30 points, you're in the ball game. Shoot, if you even got it to 10 points. And I know they're going to do what they did to RFK Jr. And be totally unfair to you, et cetera, right? And you can say, hey, you can hate RFK Jr., but the brother got up to 12 points in a general election, that gets you into a debate, etc. The green party's never gotten there. So, you know, I like a lot of their policies. I want them. But if you're not building power and you're not getting to a point where you give us a reason to be able to support you to push it further. And at the end,

you're always at two points. And then you say, all right, now give me the two points in a super close election. I don't love that. And that's why I always give people an opportunity. We've interviewed Jill Stein many times, even when mainstream media reporters yell at us for it. I'm like, wait, I thought you guys were reporters. What do you care, right? We did a town hall for her. Yeah, we did a town hall for her. I interview every third party candidate.

I give them every opportunity in the world. Andrew Yang got one of his first interviews here on and on it goes. But at some point, you got to push past your two and a half points. Now, having said that, now let me turn to AOC. Predatory, that's a weird word. Why is that predatory? What a weird word to use of that context? Were you predatory when you were in against Joe Crowley?

I just don't get it. It's very off-putting to put it like that. And then she says, well, look, of course I agree with a two-party criticism of the two-party system. This is not about that. No, I think this is about that. And no, I'm not that familiar with your criticism of the two-party system. She says, oh, I was on the working family's party ballot and I liked Democratic socialists, though they've had a falling out now because of Israel, Palestine issues, etc.

Yeah, but you're in New York. New York your family's party has a ballot line in New York, is very powerful or powerful enough in New York, et cetera. So no, you're now, the part that Jill Stein is right about is AOC is being, is serving the role of the attack dog. So she's the one that goes out there as the assignment of, make sure you're attack a third party people and drive them out of the race. She's been doing that now for a couple of months.

And so the establishment, the leadership gives you that role. So she's not in leadership, John is right, but she's obviously working with leadership. And her role is attack anyone that might look like you, not in terms of appearance, but in terms of progressive, et cetera, because we need a progressive to attack other progressives. I wouldn't have taken that role, to be honest with you. You know the role I want is to attack Trump. But okay, if you want to nip at Jill Steinsheels, enjoy, I'm sure that you're, you know, you fit into the system, et cetera.

Last thing I'll say. She criticizes Trump, to be fair. Okay, great. Happy to see it here. So I know that, you know, just Democrats is the main organization that helped get her elected. And then afterwards, Justice Democrat asked her to help other people run against incumbents, just like she did. Why?

Because you have to build power in those four years. And in fact, in Congress, obviously, every two years. And if you're not constantly primary incumbents, you're not going to be able to build up enough power in the building to swing votes and make a difference. And as soon as she became an incumbent, I'm not saying that she didn't support any more primaries. She did. But she became so much more hesitant to support anyone running against an incumbent because

they became her colleagues. So the part about building up power, I don't know, let me see it because I haven't seen it yet. All right, Frannie, what are you? Yeah, she, I agree with you on a lot of points. I think she definitely did the call out rather than call in. She was, you know, on her couch doing an Instagram live and she decided to not be diplomatic. And it came off really bad. It came off.

I don't think she is the dubbed attack dog by the Democrats. I'd push back on that. but I definitely think that it came off like she was punching left. And I think that when you are a leftist and when you know, you're a progressive, like we are who do want a parliamentarian system, a more democratic system in this country, rank choice voting, amazing reforms that would make this country far more representative. You cannot gloss over the, I've been critical of the two-party system because that rings a little bit Nancy Pelosi saying, I've been for Medicare for all back in my day. We always have to keep on stating the case why we live in this two-party corporate duopoly, and it's awful, and we need to fight against it. Well, simultaneously, and I agree, be strategic with our vote. And I've said this on my show.

People can check it out, but I dug deep around this. And specifically, I want to talk about really quickly the angle around ceasefire and Gaza, because I think one thing that does feel slightly predatory to me, although it is a harsh word, is that Jill Stein is, swallowing up a lot of the people who cannot stomach voting for Kamala Harris because she will not break from Joe Biden's policies in Gaza. And I understand that. However, one of those people who is being hounded to support Jill Stein's candidacy is Rua Roman. Rua Roman is the Palestinian Georgia elected official who was slated possibly to speak at the DNC but was never, of course, given the opportunity to, as we now know. Well, Roman had a much better lie than AOC and spoke exactly about why she's not jumping ship on the Democratic Party. Why? It's because she sees progress

on the issue of Palestine within the Democratic Party. She's not talking about Kamalares and what's in her heart and what a da-da-da-da. She's talking about within the Georgia State Legislature. She's talking about at the DNC with people wearing pins and Kaffa's and all kinds of supportive statements and the massive applause that anytime anyone mentioned ceasefire or the dignity of Palestinians, that she sees that this issue and all the people that have been in the streets, All the students that have crushed it, you know, despite being crushed themselves, they are having an impact. And so Rua Roman's like, why would I just bounce and leave this ship to make this sort of, again, kind of protest vote stand that truly will be and is, it's a spoiler vote. I'm sorry, y'all, you can vote Jill Stein.

That's totally within your right. But you have to acknowledge it's a protest vote that is also a spoil vote. But you acknowledge that, and that's okay. I'm not saying not to do it, but that's what it is. It is not a strategic vote. And certainly, again, in the words of Palestinian-American rule of Roman, not a strategic vote when it comes to the liberation of the Palestinian people. Yeah.

All right, I'm going to say one last thing. Look, progressives are never going to get into power. And I don't mean in terms of personal power, the presidency or anything along those lines. I mean in terms of passing bills until they learn how to challenge the establishment. This whole idea of, oh, I'm going to work within the establishment. And here, I'll attack Jill Stein. So I'll get some brownie points from the establishment. And I wonder if they'll give me another inch in the next bill.

I wonder if they'll give me two more percent in the next bill. That is a terrible strategy. It will never work. It's incrementalism. It's everything that we've been fighting against. You have to actually challenge power. And it doesn't look like AOC has any interest in challenging power anymore. That's my honest read of it.

So maybe Jill Stein's doing it in a way that's not very productive, but, you know, no one disputes that she's at least earnest about it and authentic about it, whether you agree or disagree with not just her politics, but the strategy of constantly running for president. So at the end of the day, I'm going to vote for whoever is going to beat whoever has the best chance of beating Donald Trump. And right now, with less than two months ago in the election, that is not close. It is not at all close. and I want to beat Donald Trump and I will beat Donald Trump and we will live to fight another day. But when we live through this election and we don't let the fascist win, you do have to fight another day. If your plan is to not fight another day and to go back on your couch and say, oh, now I'm part of the establishment. Yay, oh, let mansion write all the bills and, oh, I won't fight back at all.

But hey, you know what, I got a tiny little sliver here. Yay, incrementalism. That was not the point. That is not how you build power. That is not how you use power. That's just you being a celebrity. So enjoy. Okay, we got to go.

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