The Young Turks - Call Me Maybe - July 10, 2025

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You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. Oh, beautiful. That's what I do. The girl! Welcome to the Young Turks, Jane Hugo, Jordan Yule with you guys. Jordan's of course, I'm Rebel HQ, and he's the host of Insurgents podcast.

We have an amazing show for you guys today. Israel says we didn't get all the uranium in Iran. Oh, for God's sake, come on, man. But much more interesting story. That was kind of predictable in a sense is how do they target? How does Israel target its critics inside the US? Well, we found out a lot about that today in court hearings. So super interesting story.

The Mago Rebellion on Epstein Files continues. It's now at an 11. So everyone's enraged, it's spread to Fox News, it spread to all the podcasters, spread to Steve Bannon, et cetera. We'll get to that in a little bit. And then we've nominated the equivalent of Borat for an ambassador position. A guy who's a full blown clown, okay? Like he might even do the makeup in his ambassador position.

So that's later in the show, it's unbelievable. I mean, it's that's it peak idiocry. So that's a little bit later in the program too. All right, Jordan, let's get started. The Trump administration's attempt to end birthright citizenship has once again been thwarted by a judge. Last month, the Supreme Court prevented federal judges from issuing nationwide injunctions. Those were used to limit executive power. But the ACLU has found a way around the Supreme Court's ruling.

And we'll explain all of the details in just a second. But, Jank, what do you make of this new development and how do you think it'll end? Yeah, so it was kind of inevitable. I'm very curious to see how the Supreme Court's going to react to it. But there's a twist in this ruling that I'm a little bit worried about. It seems like a really good ruling. It's by a judge that was appointed by George W. Bush, but hold for the twist. Okay, well, let's get into those details.

Hours after the Supreme Court's ruling on nationwide injunctions, the ACLU, filed a new lawsuit in an attempt to save birthright citizenship. The ACLU's lawsuit had proposed that all children born in the United States after February 20th and their parents constituted a class. It warned that under the terms of Trump's order, people born to parents in the country unlawfully risked being rendered effectively stateless. Federal Judge Joseph L. LaPlante certified that as a class action lawsuit. However, Laplante did limit the class to newborns specifically, not their parents. But all the same, Laplant described the preliminary injunction as not a close call to the court from the bench, noting that the deprivation of U.S. citizenship and abrupt policy

change pose irreparable harm. Laplant has stayed his order for seven days, which leaves time for an appeal. Jank, this seems somewhat clever. I think Reddit is in order for the ACLU. What do you make of this? Yeah, so ACLU, great work. And it's obvious because it's, Bruce says it right in the 14th amendment. If you're born in America, you're a U.S. citizen. So it's, this is not really a case. And a lot of legal experts are saying the court could just rule on the face of this suit. It's absurd. So there is a way that they could just get rid of it entirely, but it's still going to have to get appealed and work through the court system, et cetera. So the one thing that the twist that I'm a little bit worried about, Jordan, is that it might apply to the unborn children.

It's a conservative judge. And so I don't know if it'll be taken as precedents to treat the unborn as if they're human and have constitutional rights. I hope it doesn't get interpreted in that way and is strictly about newborns, but you'd really, with the law, you really got to get into the nitty gritty and depending on how other judges take it in a different direction, et cetera, whether that that could be an issue, but I'm not positive about that in this ruling. But I am positive that it was absolutely necessary because remember, guys, as we talked about last time, if somebody gets, if a baby's born here and you don't have

birthright citizenship, then it's on the hospital to try to figure out the citizenship status of the parents. All right, do you have a green card or a U.S. citizen? How do I confirm your U.S. citizen? How do I know you're a legal resident? You have to bring in court proceedings saying that you got refugee status. Because there's a lot of different status. And so the doctors or the hospitals have to figure that out as tons of babies are getting born. And then if you can't figure that out while it's going through the court system, yes, all those children become effectively stateless, as the court said. And that's absurd.

I mean, what does it even mean to be stateless? Actually, it is a thing. The reason is the Palestinians are stateless. So they have no rights in any country they go to. It's just, it's the worst possible scenario. So you would have all of these kids that are born, that are presumably American citizens, but we wouldn't know, and they'd be treated like Palestinian. So God help them, right?

By the world, because they'd be stateless. And then we'd have to go back and try to figure out through endless litigation, endless, endless litigation, whether they're citizens or not citizens, what their parent status is, et cetera. So in order to avoid a bureaucratic nightmare of epic proportions, the judge had to rule this way. the doctors or the nurses, the medical staff in that position to determine citizenship. That's not something that would lead to responsible or thorough or the best possible outcome for a kid. And as we've seen in other aspects, other areas of our society that have been a target for the right, for instance, child care or gender affirming care for trans people, it's not just that

the right has gone after trans people. They've also gone after the doctors administering that care. And as the fervor intensifies over this type of stuff, if we do find ourselves in that scenario, God forbid, I wouldn't put it past the right to start zeroing in and singling out doctors for misapplying nationality or place of origin of their parents. I just, I think it's going to create a monster headache and potential consequences for these medical professionals who shouldn't be in that position to begin with. And this is a problem the right has created. This is like you say, explicitly laid out in the 14th Amendment. We shouldn't be here. This shouldn't be a question. And while I again, I applaud the ACLU for this legal maneuvering to try to protect birthright citizenship.

It's ludicrous that they even need to reach to this, that we have reached this extent that you need to file a class action lawsuit to preserve a constitutional right. I don't know what to make sense of it. Jake, anything else before we go to our next story? Real quick, last things here. There's a couple of things that are patently obvious from this. So why did this come up in the first place? Definitely a radical right idea.

There's no dispute about it. It's not like the left is asking for it or the middle is asking for. It was a radical right idea that, hey, maybe if you're born in America, we should ignore the 14th Amendment and not let you become an American citizen. Okay, so that's indisputable that it was their bad idea. So now the good news is a country united in a sense because that's the ACLU, largely on the left, although sometimes they actually agree with the right in some bizarre ways that drives me crazy. But anyways, but very much considered on the left. And a conservative judge going, yeah, the 14th Amendment is not unclear. So great, that's the court's holding.

And then the last thing that's clear from this is guys, remember, even if you're in the radical right and you're like, American citizens, absolutely. And if you're not an American citizen, I don't care if you have a green card, I don't care if you're a day from being naturalized as a citizen. You have no rights, I hate you, etc. Okay, all good and fine, but when the hospital asks you, okay, yes, but are you U.S. citizens?

Because we've got to figure out where your kid is. And you say yes, then they say, well, how do I know? Well, how do I know? The last guy said yes, too, and the guy before him said yes. Everybody said yes. So now I have to go and try to figure out if you're a U.S. citizen or not, and I got to investigate you. What is this? It's crazy. And it's definitely not America. So all of that is clear. Well, let's get into our next story. Jang teased it at the top. A senior Homeland Security official admitted in court yesterday, what we already

suspected that his department had relied on shadowy pro-Israel groups to target foreign students who participated in pro-Palestinian activism. The admission came from Peter Hatch, the assistant director of Homeland Security Investigations Department within ICE. Jenk, they're relying on groups that we've known about as shadowy and targeting these kids for years, and now they're influencing government operations. This is a scary, It's a scary development. What do you think? So first of all, this is an anonymous group.

We don't even know if it's being run out of Israel. And it is definitely on behalf of a foreign government, Israel. And as you'll see in the story, the whole idea of anti-Semitism, et cetera, is just a ruse. They're tracking anyone who criticize Israel. In fact, if they consider you pro-Palestinian, you'll be put on a list that the American government is now using to kidnap people and take away their rights. So this is as bad as anyone imagine. And it turns out these groups have been operating in America since the 1980s, making lists of students and professors who they consider to be too pro-Palestinian

and trying to ruin their lives, including making sure that they never get a job again in America if they dare to criticize Israel. So there is something terrible and nefarious going out in this country. And it's definitely coming from Israel. I mean, here's the overwhelming proof you're about. to see, including in court hearings that just happened. Right. Well, Hatch was testifying during the third day of trial proceedings in a case brought by academic associations against the Trump administration for their efforts to deport

foreign students like Mahmoud Khalil and Ramesia Azturk. The academic groups called Hatch as a witness and he delivered. The judge asked him, many of the names of the student protesters provided to you for the Office of Intelligence to produce reports of analysis on came from the website Canary Mission, referring to an anonymously run group that dockses people, let's be clear, and who have engaged in pro-Palestinian activism on their online database. Hatch responded, it's true. Many of the names, or even most of the names, came from that website. But we were getting names and leads from many different sources. The Other sources included Batar, another pro-Israel group.

In total, he had a list of over 5,000 names to investigate. In March, Hatch testified he formed a tiger team or a specialized task force to respond to abrupt orders that he rush analysis on thousands of people whose names and identities had been published by Canary Mission. Hatch testified that after the team's review between 100 and 200 reports on non-citizen protesters were submitted to the State Department, which would determine whether to detain them. He claimed that the government doesn't have any formal relationship with Canary Mission and doesn't even know who runs the website. Nonetheless, one of the likely victims of this informal collaboration was Ramesia Azturk, the Tufts student who was abducted by federal. agents for writing an op-ed critical of Israel. Canary Mission had identified her on their website, accusing her of anti-Semitism and anti-Israel activism. When Ozturk was detained,

Canary Mission claimed credit, asserting that her profile was the primary cause of her arrest. A Department of Homeland Security memo justifying her detention reportedly used language nearly identical to that of her Canary Mission page, like Canary Mission, DHS cited her op-ed. Jank, the fact that shadowy anonymous doxing websites are now providing lists to DHS for potential deportations. It's a dark new day in America. Yeah, so these type of websites have been around since 1983. And so there's a guy who was a NYU professor, Zachary Lachman. He got listed on one of these sites back in the 1980s.

And they provided college guides, meaning for colleges to, for professors to never hire, because they criticized Israel in one way, shape, or form. And by the way, it didn't have to be, first of all, none of it had anything to do with anti-Semitism. It was just either criticism of Israel or anything that was considered pro-Palestinian. And so they would put people on a list. Now how do you say it doesn't have to do with anti-Semitism? There was Jewish professors on the list.

And there was, Noam Chomsky was on the list, right? So it didn't matter at all if you were Jewish, not Jewish. The only thing that mattered is, will you bow your head to Israel? In fact, Mother Jones is a terrific story about this. You should read it in its entirety because it's shocking, it's amazing. They would say, okay, this is, to the outside world, this is anti-discrimination, right? But they then put pressure on the universities, do not admit any Arab students. Because if you admit Arab students, they have anti-Israel positions, and that's unacceptable.

Don't let any Arabs into the country. They're supposed to be fighting discrimination. No, they were literally perpetuating discrimination. And in this latest version of it, and Canary starts in 2014, the Canary Mission does, they start putting up the pictures. I mean, you want to talk about doxing and the address and the, and everything about the people going, and by the way, they say in that on the website too, making sure that we're basically ruining the job prospects of any of these people.

This is before, and remember, it starts in 2014, before 2023, before all this, you know, They got more and more brazen before they basically captured the entire US government to the Trump administration and said, oh yeah, anyone you want to arrest on behalf of Israel, America's here to serve you, loyally, right? But back then, they were mainly trying to make sure that they would ruin your life and that no one would ever hire you if you criticized this room. Candy keeps the fun going. Keep the fun going. Twizzlers, keep the fun going.

So when it comes to Osterk and the others, Well, what got you on the list for Canary Mission these days? Mother Jones explains, attending an anti-war protest, for example, becomes quote, participation in a pro-Hamas rally. And criticism of Israeli policies is framed as, quote, demonizing Israel. So that gets you on the list. And as Jordan just explained to you, the US government took their list directly. And by the way, saying throughout the court proceedings, I go, we didn't have time to look into

We assembled a tiger team to like look through it quickly. But basically, if these guys say that we should eliminate them on behalf of Israel from existing in this country and get deport them, arrest them, et cetera, that's it. We're just going to do it. We're going to do it. And who are these people? I don't know, they're anonymous. They could be Israelis. They could be government agents of Israel.

Or they could just be some people inside the country who are like, no, I love Israel. And if it means destroying America's constitution and freedom of speech, And discriminating against all Arabs and Muslims, yeah, of course, of course, on behalf of Israel, we must do all this. Now it's in court, now it's in court, U.S. government officials saying, yes, we took their list and arrested people based on it. So don't tell me that Israel doesn't have unbelievable, epic, record-breaking influence in America. You'd have to, you just, the only way to say that is if you're a full-fledged liar and you just say, I just say, I'm You just say, I don't care. I find it offensive. How dare you? I, you know, did you go to a peace protest?

If you want to do a peace protest, I don't care if you're Jewish. I don't care if you're a Holocaust survivor. I don't care about anything. You go to a peace protest. You're a pro-Palestinian, the worst thing you could be. And you see how I'm against discrimination? No, you're not. No, all of this is a massive discrimination. And not just against Arabs and Muslims, but I guess people who are trying to stop a genocide of all races and religions. And yes, Americans, Americans go on these lists. They just happen to take the guys who are legally here, but not citizens first. Okay, and I guess we're next for all the U.S. citizens because God help you, if you cross Israel,

you're going to go on a list and they're going to try to ruin your life. Yeah, I want to be clear about, they're talking about from Asia. Oz Turk who wrote an op-ed, and while they say it's anti-Semitic and anti-Israel activism, you could read the op-ed for yourself, and I have, and I would encourage people to check it out, just so you see how fast and loose they're playing with these terms. While in the first paragraph, it briefly summarizes what Israel is doing in Gaza, links to validation and sources backing up her claims, the Guardian Amnesty International and the International Court of Justice,

it then goes on for the remainder of the op-ed to call on Tufts University to divest from Israel. That's what they're saying is anti-Semitic. It doesn't say anything about Jewish people. And I want to be clear, those are two separate things. Well, Israel is an ethno state, and they are an apartheid state, and it is a home for Jewish people, that's not one and the same. It's not anti-Semitism to criticize Israel and the Israeli government's actions. She's calling on Tufts University to divest from Israel and Israeli companies.

That's, in my mind, totally fun. That is a peaceful form of protest. That is a peaceful form of activism. But they have fought so hard to limit and demonize any attempts at activism or activism. around this issue, as we've shown and talked about for years, even boycotting divestment and sanctions in some states is now illegal. Where's the love of free speech that we hear so much about? Nobody cares. And now if you even talk about it, if you write an op-ed, quintessential free expression in this country, if you call for a boycott or a divestment

in an op-ed, that gets you put on a list and the government's going to arrest you. It is horrifying stuff, Jen. All right, I'm going to tell you three more amazing facts. So back in the 2000s, there was a very similar group called Masada 2000. And they created a list of what they considered, quote, self-hating and or Israel-threatening Jew. And by the way, if you spell that as out, it's S-H-I-T Jew, okay? And so they compiled a list of over 8,000 Jewish Americans, who are not sufficiently loyal to Israel. I mean, what is this? I mean, this is, so, I mean, that is picture perfect proof that all of these groups

since the 1980s have nothing to do with anti-Semitism. In fact, they actively target Jewish professors and Jewish students if they think that they are not sufficiently loyal to a different country. They're like, how dare you be loyal to America? How dare you be fair and honest? That's it. Put the Jews on the list. Are you insane? Are you insane? And this is a pro-Israel group doing this. And then you find out that guess who wrote this giant report targeting about 117 professors and university staff members and students back in 2001. It was called defending civilization, how our universities are failing America and what could be done about it. So how did the professors and students get? on that list if they opposed any of our wars. And the person who wrote it was Lynn Cheney, Dick Cheney's wife, who at the time was Secretary of Defense and in the middle of trying

to start a war in Afghanistan and Iraq. So same old trick, go to the universities. If anyone dares oppose Israel's wars, that's it, they get put on a blacklist, right? And if you're thinking again, if you're right wing and you're like, look, I don't like any of this, but It's just okay, I'm an American citizen, it's not gonna affect me, they can't deport me. Well, first of all, sometimes they do, okay? Sometimes they do arrest the wrong people, et cetera, but hold, it's not just about that. So on Canary Mission's website, it says about the people that they have targeted, American or otherwise.

It is to quote, ensure that today's radicals are not tomorrow's employees. So you wanna talk about cancel culture, since the 1980s, Israel has been running a cancel culture program in America for anyone who dares oppose Israel even in the slightest. And it doesn't matter if you're Muslim, Christian, or Jewish, they're going to target you and try to ruin you on behalf of a foreign government. And so now that the U.S. has confirmed in a court proceeding that yes, we're basically following this anonymous group's orders to eliminate Israel's enemies inside America, are we going to get to find out who's right? it anonymously or is it okay and can Qatar then set up a website like this in

Saudi Arabia and Malaysia and whoever else and or by the way just random companies oil companies etc and just smear people in anyway or go call them racist call them this call them that right it's okay you're gonna ruin your chance of getting employed or or doing anything positive don't tell me that We're not, you know, being influenced in a massive, massive way from Israel. It has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. It definitely is the opposite of protecting against discrimination. It is incredibly in favor of discrimination.

So I'm done with all the massive propaganda. And yes, mainly by mainstream media, that if you ever question Israel, that's it, put him on a list. Okay, yeah, anti-Semi, ruin his life, ruin his life. Get them off there, get them out there, not allowed. Yeah, I mean, in a lot of ways CNN might as well be Canary Mission. Who are they kidding? This has been my life the entire time that I've been in the US. If you ever question Israel, the world comes crashing down on you,

because it turns out there's a giant infrastructure meant to destroy anyone who opposes Israel in America. But we can't find out who it is because they're all anonymous. These guys are anonymous, Apex donors are anonymous, everybody's anonymous, but they get to buy our government, government to get to buy our politicians and here Trump is put up a four sales sign go yeah I'll take canary missions list who cares and I'll eliminate anybody's that's an enemy or critic of Israel or even pro-Palestinean or even

went to a peace protest this is not what America's supposed to look like this is another country trying to destroy our Constitution All right on TYT, Jank, Jordan with you guys. Jordan, what do you got next? Jank, questions are swirling around 88-year-old representative Eleanor Holmes Norton's political future, in part because she's saying something totally different than her staff. In June, she told NBC Sahil Kapoor that she plans to run for re-election. Just hours later, however, Norton's office published a statement clarifying that Norton was in conversations with her family, friends, and closest advisors to decide what's best.

Norton celebrated her 88th birthday days later. Two weeks later, it happened again. In another report from Kapoor published June 25th, Norton reaffirmed her intention to run for office. And again, her office scrambled to notify the media that a firm decision on her future had not yet been made. Jank, there's a related story on Biden. I want to get to momentarily, but first, what do you make of this? How do you make sense of this? Yeah, I mean, look, greed is infinite, including for power, but also these politicians are just widgets. The donors are going to dictate their vote no matter who's in place.

So I've explained this phenomenon before I'll, you know, get into it a little bit after you find out how horrific all the details are with not just Eleanor Holmes Norton, but with Joe Biden and how his staffers, as you're going to find out, new for a fact, he can't answer simple questions. His brain has already melted. And they're like, oh no, four more years, four more years. Because they're like, what difference does it make? He's not going to make any stupid decisions anyway. Israel will make the decisions on foreign policy. Big farm will make the decisions about health care. Big oil will make the decisions about energy. It doesn't matter. They're just widgets. But okay, let's tell you about which widgets are trying to stay in place.

Yeah, well, also it's one other thing on Eleanor Holmes Norton. I think that that thinking applies to everyone else in Congress, but she's a non-voting member of Congress because she represents DC. So it's like what exactly is she holding on to if not just like the pomp and circumstance and the quality of life? It's a very bizarre scenario. I think because she keeps saying she's running and her staff's like, let's wait on that. That coupled with her poor driving record, which has been chronicled for over a decade, makes me worry there's something else going on there. But relatedly, we have more details on the great lengths that Biden's team went to in order to shield the former president even after he left office. On Tuesday, New York Times, New York Times

White House correspondent Tyler Pager published an excerpt from his book, 2024, how Trump retook the White House and Democrats lost America, which illustrates some of those efforts. Pager was originally told by Biden's aides that he wasn't interested in speaking for the book. Yet when I reached Mr. Biden on his cell phone in late March, he answered and agreed to talk. He broke his silence on his successor to criticize the early weeks of Mr. Trump's second term. I don't see anything he's done that's been productive, the former president said. When I asked if he had any regrets about dropping out of the presidential race, Mr. Biden said in a detached tone, no, not now. I don't spend a lot of time on regrets.

And then he hung up because he was boarding an Amtrak train. My brief conversation with Mr. Biden prompted a cascade of concern among his top aides. One screamed at me for calling the former president directly. Others texted furiously, trying to figure out how I had obtained Mr. Biden's phone number. Repeated attempts to contact Biden after their initial conversation went straight to voicemail, which simply said, Joe. But then, two days later, that greeting was replaced by a message from Verizon Wireless. The number you dialed has been changed, disconnected, or is no longer in service.

It's also worth noting that yesterday, Biden's former White House physician, Dr. Kevin O'Connor, refused to answer House Republicans' questions on Biden's health while in office. He was subpoenaed by the House Oversight Committee last month. David Shirtler, one of O'Connor's lawyers, said the doctor had no choice but to invoke his Fifth Amendment rights in testimony before the committee. Schertler cited both O'Connor's responsibilities to protect patient privacy as a doctor and the Justice Department's ongoing investigation into Biden's use of the autopen. Republican Representative James Comer, the chair of the Oversight Committee,

stated that O'Connor's refusal to testify was evidence of a cover-up. I mean, Jank, they changed his phone number? This seems ridiculous. Yeah, so there's a lot of things to go through there. First of all, the Republicans start a slew of nonsense investigations, right? It's annoying, it's political. And they often were so brazen, they'll just say it. Like, oh, yeah, we started to Hillary Clinton, Benghazi investigations,

and the email investigations to ruin her chance of winning. I'm like, oh, okay, so we're just saying it on air now. Okay. So, and those are like, at least people died in Benghazi, you get it, the emails, etc. But then they'll be like just absolute garbage investigations that make no sense at all. But the auto pen one, I kind of get, right? Like who did sign the bills? Are we sure Biden signed all the bills? Are we sure Biden was of the right mind when he signed all the bills? And I liked some of those bills, but it's a fair question to ask. And so, I mean, and guys, remember, We now have doctors from both sides saying ludicrous things.

At least O'Connor is saying like, I'm not a lot to say how bad off Biden is. Like, come on. So, I mean, there's two different things, right? His obvious, like, dementia, well, it's not just obvious to us. It's obviously obvious to his staffers, which I'll come back to in one second, right? So, but then there's also the issue of the cancer that he has and when did they know it and what medication did they give him? and did that contribute to the fogginess in his brain, right? Those are real questions, and that medication that treats that kind of cancer does cause foggy brain.

So on the Democratic side, we're like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, our doctors can't tell you how terrible and old and ancient and ridiculous are, not just candidates, the president was, right? On the other hand, on the Republican side, it's comical. They say now doctors say, Donald Trump's the fittest man in America. The most fit president we've ever had, he's 215 pounds. Come on guys. I mean, I don't know that there's anything as ridiculous with Biden as the idea of Donald Trump being 215 pounds.

Okay, so and constantly with like the greatest health that anybody has ever seen. Now look, I hope that some of the Trump voters are beginning to see with the Epstein files and many other things. Donald Trump doesn't often tell you the truth. So when he, now when you look back at his doctor's notes, you see how absurd they are. And look, I don't know, I trying to break the fog of the commentators on the right and the left. And so, or in the, in the case of the online left, I think they were overall pretty good on Biden. It was MSNBC, that was a problem on Biden. No, young and dynamic.

Yeah, of course. Yeah, he's the best Democrat in the country. Sharp as attack. Well, we've seen him. Oh, we've seen him off here. He's incredible off here. Come on, come on, right? So okay, then you get to his own staffers about Biden's.

So don't call him, don't call him, how dare you call him? Now like guys, I always think about it like, okay, what if it was me, right? And my staffers are flipping out that I might talk to a reporter because I'm brain dead and I'm gonna say something stupid and wrong. I'm like, what do you guys think I am? You think I don't know what the hell I'm doing at all and you know way better and you you're really in charge and not me. Well, then why am I doing anything? Why did you tell me to run for re-election? What were we going to do with the rest of the three and a half years if we had

one? No, his, the people closest to Joe Biden, no, he cannot be trusted to have a single conversation. And they re-ran him for president. It's just, it's every time you think about it, it makes you physically ill. So screw all of the politics. politicians and all of the leadership and all of the consultants, all the crooks in Washington. And then finally, back to Eleanor Holmes Norton for a second. So Jordan's right. Like she's, A, she doesn't really have a vote. So it's not that relevant, right, since she's representing D.C. And B, she's not that bad a legislator overall in her career, right? But what are we doing here? So there's a, there's a second phenomenon that I alluded to in the

beginning. And if you don't know any politicians and you are not in D.C., which I imagine is most of you, right? Normal people aren't involved with these insiders, right? I have the misfortune of dealing with folks like that on a pretty regular basis. The culture in D.C. is supernova toxic. And part of that is, once someone's in Congress, they become a demigod. And so like the reporters are like, oh, Congress person, Senator, what would you like me to write on your behalf? I write it right away. You're amazing. You're so powerful.

I have access to you. I have access. But it's not just that. It's just everyone in Washington. Like if you said, oh, let's go get a meeting with Rashida Tilibe or something. I'm just saying like one of the most personable, relatable Congress people, you might agree or disagree with her. But she's kind of an outsider, right? So I think everybody can acknowledge that.

I'm picking like the most outside of person I can think of in Washington. Meeting with Rashida Tilly. She's a congresswoman. She's like, and again, I don't mean to pick on her and it's a hypothetical, okay? So like, but fill in the blank minus Rokana. Like almost everyone in Congress. And so now if you're the head of a nonprofit special interest organization or a think tank or you're a donor up right away, then you're also a demigod, right?

But otherwise, they really, they view, and I've seen, I saw somebody from one of the Gulf nations, I've talked about this before, was very high up in an organization. And he treated people in a binary way. If he thought you were an important person, then he would be very gracious, right? But everyone else was a flat zero, didn't care about you at all, you weren't really a person. So those Gulf nations run by dictators, very similar culture to Washington, D.C. Either a one or a zero.

Congress people are a ones. So she's 88 and she's her, obviously she's a, she can't keep doing this, doesn't matter. Congresswoman, we all bow, we all. So that's what guys, the most important part of this, Eleanor Holmes Norton is nearly irrelevant in this. The reason why she comes up is because they did it with Feinstein. They did it with Biden. They do all the day they did it with Mitch McConnell. No, no, no, he's not freezing.

I saw him freeze. He wouldn't move for 30 seconds. What do you mean he's okay? Of course he's not okay. And the next day, Mitch McConnell comes like bruised face, bruised arm and stuff. Like, no, no, no, no, no, he's totally fine. Report that he's totally fine. Okay, he's totally fine.

So just these guys are a joke. They don't represent it at all. They're just sitting there collecting checks and getting more and more famous. status. It's it's it's the hunger games. They're in the capital and we're in the districts. Yeah. And there have been multiple votes on razor thin margins in the House that, you know, we're speculating because the votes could have been slightly different if Republican holdouts or flips went the other way, given that three of these Democrats who have died this year were still in the House and voting. But I don't know how Democrats can look at that and think,

Yeah, okay, let's just let 88-year-olds run for reelection. Let's be granted that Eleanor, again, Eleanor Holmes and Norton can't vote, but she's not alone in being older, at greater risk of a health complication or an adverse outcome. But when you have somebody like David Hogg who suggests, hey, let's, as the DNC, push for younger, newer people to get into the fold, he's run out. The consequence is, who knows, if Chip Roy would have remained a hold out on that bill and three more Democrats were present to vote, we might have seen that the big, beautiful bill die in the House.

So I don't know how they can walk away from that and think, yeah, let's just preserve the status quo. Let's not push for newer, younger representation in the House. That's a lesson I think we're going to pay, we're going to pay the price for that for a very long time. And you would think a savvier, more nimble party would be able to adapt, but I guess not. Yeah, Jordan, last thing is, that's why Biden was allowed to run for so long and got to the point where he handed off to Kamala Harrison at a moment where it was nearly unwinnable. because in Washington challenging a politician is as big a heresy and considered like almost immoral. Like it's unthinkable. So when Biden or Jill Biden or his auto pen says, I'm running

again, all the Democrats universally bow their heads minus Dean Phillips, right? They were all like, yes, sir, of course, sir. Who cares that you can't finish a sentence, sir? Who cares that none of you have None of us have talked to you in months and months, sometimes years. Who cares that you can't make public appearances and do a simple interview? And it's obvious that you're definitely, definitely going to lose, right? We don't care. We bow our head to power. And that's what's ruining this country.

No, we need to get our democracy back. And we need to have leaders that represent us and are not just widgets that represent the donor class. All right, we got to take a break here, guys. When we come back, there's a judge or a person nominated to be a judge who believes that you shouldn't listen to judges. Of course. All right, we'll tell you about it. Newly released emails and text messages from a whistleblower further validate claims that one of Trump's top DOJ officials knowingly and deliberately violated a court order around deporting

Kilmar-Abrego Garcia and other immigrants earlier this year. The messages show increasing alarm among Justice Department lawyers that the administration had, in fact, defied court orders and that some officials, including a prominent DOJ lawyer brought on by the Trump administration, could face sanctions for misleading the courts. That top DOJ official is Emil Bove, who is currently a nominee to be a federal appeals court judge. Before we get exactly into what exactly was in those emails and text messages. Jank, do you think this could impact his nomination? I don't know that the Republicans will vote no on anything, right?

So here's a guy who you're about to see basically told his staff to ignore judge's orders. He would now like to be a judge. And the Republicans will almost certainly unanimously say yes. Wild. It is, it is wild. But let's get into the specifics here. Emails and text messages sent to Congress by former DOJ lawyer Arez Reuveni, who in June filed a complaint against Bov, shed new details and allegations that Bov had floated, giving U.S. courts a big FU during a Justice Department meeting discussing the then-planned deportations. Now, for context, Ruveni represented the DOJ in three cases related to the Trump administration's crackdown on undocumented.

immigration and was fired after admitting in court where he is required to tell the truth under questioning from a judge that in April, the administration illegally deported Kilmar Abrago Garcia, a Salvadoran man residing in Maryland who had a protective court order barring his removal to El Salvador. According to a whistleblower complaint filed by Rivenny and obtained by the New York Times last month, both stated during a March meeting that the DOJ might just need to tell the courts to F off if they attempted to interfere with plans to transfer migrants to a foreign prison in El Salvador, known for its human rights abuses. On Thursday, the Senate Judiciary Committee released text messages and emails from earlier this year between Rivenny and a colleague.

In text messages with the Justice Department Deputy Director, August Flente, written the day the deportations took place, Reveni wrote that it was time to find out about the FU. Flente jokingly reply that it had been good working with him and that they were likely saved for today by the fact that Judge James Boseberg is on vacation. In another text exchange made four days after the government was accused of deporting the migrants in violation of a court order, Rveni wrote that at this point, why don't we just submit an emoji of a middle finger as our filing to the court? So stupid, replied Flente. But when Bov was asked about this during his nomination hearing just a couple weeks ago, this is what he said. I don't want to disparage that whistleblower in this proceeding, but I also have to address to some extent the allegations. As you noted at the outset, I'm also bound by privileges

that the whistleblower did not consider himself bound with in leaking that report to this committee just yesterday. But there are a few things I'd like to say and confirm. I will reiterate, I did not advise any Justice Department attorney to violate court orders. The Deputy Attorney General, as you made clear in your opening remarks, Chairman, has confirmed that the account in that whistleblower complaint is not accurate. So telling staff to violate court orders, violating court orders, potentially now, Jank, was this lying to Congress? Of course it is.

But to be fair to that brother, almost everybody lies to Congress when they're getting nominated. Like all the justs are like politics, political opinions. What name so? Never heard of him. Roe v. Wake. What do you mean, Roe v. Wade? Never heard of it. Okay, so they all lie, but anyway, so it is technically a crime.

So in this case though, this is, I don't know if I could continue to be amazed, but all right, first let me give a slight defense here. So Pam Bondi made an interesting point, to be fair, she's, I know, first one, first one for everything. Anyway, she said, I can't find the Epstein files, even though they were right here on my desk. No, okay, she said, look, we were appealing the case. So how can he be in violation of a court order or encourage people to be in violation of a court order if we're appealing the case?

Okay, that's not that bad a point. But then the problem is in the internal documents, which we now see, he's, they're alluding to him saying, tell the courts, F you, we're not following your order. So that seems to defeat your earlier point. Okay, so what I'm curious about Jordan is, so if this brother gets on the court, court, which he almost certainly will. I mean, what Republicans are going to grow a conscious? And when I say Republicans in this context, I mean they're politicians. I don't mean they're voters because you guys don't get to vote on it, no matter what party you're in, the politicians

do. So are they going to grow a conscious? Oh, you're right. You know, well, the Trump team really has been ignoring a lot of court orders, and that is dangerous. Maybe we should stop them. I mean, I would, it's not impossible, but I would be shocked, right? But if he wins, then he, like, What if lawyers come to him and go, sir, I'm going to go with your presidents, F you. I'm not going to listen to any of your orders. Why? You're a judge. And you said earlier that we shouldn't listen to judges.

I mean, this is nuts. This is where we are now. I mean, later in the show, we're going to tell you that Donald Trump appointed a professional troll, an alpha male, to be an ambassador for the country, to a real country. Like it's full idiocry. So what do you do if you go in this guy's court and he doesn't even believe in the court system? We're listening to the judges. It's mental. Yeah, it is, I mean, this is a scenario where the only people who are going to be able to violate court orders or the only people who are going to be able to, in this case, you know, blatantly lie and tell staff to do this type of stuff without repercussion are going to be the Republicans.

If anybody on the left, any Democrat did this, it would be a major scandal. Democrats, I assume, will try to turn this into one. But like you're saying, Republicans will probably confirm him. And I think what they'll do is they'll justify they're doing so with these new trumped-up charges on Kilmar-Abrego-Garcia that they unveiled after it was impossible to ignore. They had to bring him back to the states. So that Pam Bondi press conference, all of these charges, all of the witness statements, all of these people who, I mean, it was everything under the sun that they are accusing him of. You know, human trafficking across state lines, all these different trips, just, it's so ridiculous.

It feels entirely fabricated, but we'll see as the court process plays out. I think they'll just use that. Well, oh, this is a gang member and he's doing X, Y, and Z and all these heinous things. We had no choice. He was acting on his conscience, and they'll find some way to avoid addressing this claim directly. But as we're seeing here in these emails and texts, this is something that people inside the DOJ knew was wrong when it was happening. It's not about what this person allegedly did before, after, or later, what they charged him with later down the line. it's how you act and uphold the constitution and respect for our institutions in that moment.

And like you're saying, it's ludicrous. This is somebody who is now going to be potentially a judge, but he doesn't have respect for the position to begin with. But as it plays out time and time again, Republicans aren't going to care when it's someone on their side doing it. Yeah, last two quick things on it. When you look at the internal documents, it's a clown show through and through. They're like, okay, let's prove that he is an MS-13 member or leader.

So wait, is he a member or a leader? And what do you mean, let's prove it? Do you have evidence? Because if you have evidence, what you say is, oh, here's evidence that he's a member of MS-13. Not let's go try to find out if he's a member of MS-13 or a leader of MS-13, things we just invented. And then other guy's like, yeah, Trenda, Aragua, right? No, no, no, that's a Venezueling gang.

Remember we're trying to make up that he's in the gang from El Salvador. Oh, right. Sorry, I forgot which thing we were making up. Okay, and what is it all in service of? Donald Trump's thin skin. Because if he just said, oh, okay, that guy shouldn't have been deported, but the rest of them should have or whatever he says, right, that's not really true either. But anyway, and here we're going to go get the right guys, and we'll return the guys we did it wrong.

Who cares, right? No, can't. No wait, Donald Trump is a God. He's never wrong. And that's so they have to make sure they bury this guy and make up that he's in some gang, Photoshop things. And that idiot Trump. He's like, no, I saw it. I saw it. Do you not understand the concept of Photoshop? Everybody keeps telling you that stupid picture you looked at with the MS-13 on his knuckles is Photoshop. He's like, no, I saw it. It could be Photoshopped and you could still see it. Photoshop is not invisible. Okay, so it's a clown car, total clown car. All right, we are going to miraculously end on time. Okay, hey, don't say it never happened. All right, Jordan, check him out on Rebel headquarters. We appreciate you. We appreciate the glow up.

And I'm like, sorry you didn't get to use your popcorn. Maybe next time. Okay, guys, when we come back, lots of devastating stories, it turns out they're They really did wait before they help people in Texas. It's a disaster, literally, and the Epstein rebellion is raging, raging. So we've got updates on that coming up.