The Young Turks - Charlamagne Joins TYT

Episode Date: June 25, 2024

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You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. Live from the Polymarker Studio is the Young Turks, Jake Huger and Anna Kisperin with you guys. Giant show today. At 8 o'clock Eastern, we're going to have hostmates. We do that rarely, but it's an awesome fun game. The hosts play against each other. You guys are going to get to play along. Go to t.com slash hostmates to start playing along with us as soon as possible. We have two giant stories about Israel later in the program that are important that you really got to know, huge stories, but also a god on the show.

So Anna, take it away. All right, well, joining us now is Leonard Larry McKelvey, who's actually better known for his role on the widely, wildly popular breakfast club show. And he's known as Charlemagne the God. Charlemagne, thank you so much for joining us today. Peace, peace. How are y'all? We're doing well, we're doing well. I look big on that screen. Lean back, there you go.

There we go. So Charlemagne, you just put out a new book, and I read it in a day. I thought it was fantastic. Get honest or die lying. Why small talk sucks, which I honestly cannot relate to more. I can't stand small talk. And what I loved about your book was that you are encouraging people to engage in substantive conversations that might make the two parties uncomfortable due to differences in political

views, or maybe they're discussing something controversial. But the idea is to embrace discourse. And I love the message that you have in that book. And so with that said, I want to embrace some discourse right now by starting off with a question about something that stood out to me on the view. when you made an appearance on the show. So I want to go to this video. It's an exchange between you and Sunny Hosten, and then I'll ask my question.

Take a look. You endorsed your Biden back in 2020, but this time around you say you're not going to endorse anybody. Charlemagne now is not the time, in my opinion, to sit this one out. Yeah, I didn't say that. I never said I was sending it out. What are you going to do? I'm definitely voting in November board.

I like to focus on issues, not individuals. Like, you know, when you have- But why not endorse? Huh? Why not endorse Biden? Because if I'm sitting here telling my listeners that, you know, you have somebody out there who is a threat to democracy. You have somebody out there who said they want to, you know, suspend the Constitution, to overthrow the results of an election. You saw this person, you know, try to lead an attempted coup of this country.

And I'm telling people that this guy is a threat to democracy. Have you ever read Project 25? There's only two candidates out there. So if I'm saying that about this individual, the choice is clear, right? So you're clearly unhappy with the Biden administration considering the fact that you're kind of making this distinction between, you know, doing an endorsement as you did in 2020, versus what you're planning on doing this time around. You're not endorsing Biden, but clearly you're going to vote for Biden. Do you feel that constantly voting for the lesser of two evils, election after election, is going to get Democratic voters to where they want to be in this country with a party that actually represents their best interests, as opposed to the best interests of, you know, lobbyists, corporations, a foreign government like Israel, which the Biden administration very clearly seems to prioritize over the best interests of his own constituents. I'm curious if you think your tactic here is going to yield positive results. Well, I want to say in 2020, I didn't endorse President Biden either.

In 2020, I was on record saying that I am, you know, voting for this administration because of, you know, his vice presidential pick, you know, Kamala Harris. Like I said that in 2020. So I don't even know where the rhetoric came from that, you know, I'm endorsing, you know, President Biden. And, you know, you use some language just now that I think is so interesting. And when you see statistics like, you know, one and four Americans have unfavorable views of, you know, both Trump and Biden. When you hear my man Tim Ryan, you know, talk about the exhausted majority, how people are just tired of politics. At some point, people got to get tired of choosing between the lesser or two evils, right? Like, I wonder what when we even say that, do we even understand what we're saying?

Like, if you walked in a room and somebody put two. evil's on the table. I want you to think of the most evilest things you can possibly think of. And they put them on the table and say, hey, you have to choose between one of these two things. Wouldn't that be a very difficult choice for anybody? Would that be something that you would want to tell people? Oh, man, you know, well, since I got to choose the lesser one, I guess I will endorse this one. It's like we use this language. that's kind of like just it's discouraging it's kind of like literally it's very discouraging you know to the American people and that's why I say I would rather talk

about issues than individuals especially in an election like this when an election like this where you know neither one of the candidates are people that you know folks really truly enjoy well I'm not going to say that because they definitely have their bases but But people like me can't really get into, I would rather just talk about the issues as opposed to talking about the individuals. Yeah, I just want to respond to that because, you know, for every election cycle, I've caved into that framing, lesser of two evils, lesser of two evils. At this point, it's the only rallying cry that the Democratic Party has.

Vote for us because the other guy is worse. It's been election cycle after election cycle, the same nonsense. And this time around, I'm not going for it. I'm not gonna fall for it because the one same thing, saving grace for the Democratic Party previously was this idea that they're the decent ones. They're the ones who care about people of color. They're the ones who care about brown Americans. And then you see the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians with the Biden administration green lighting it. And I just don't think they have a leg to stand on

on that issue. So that's where I stand on it. But I totally hear what you're saying. I mean, focusing on the issues is important. It's just that I don't think the Democratic Party has been focusing on the issues. Yeah. To your point, people are just, people are tired of voting out of fear because, you know, I first voted for president, you know, Barack Obama. That was the first time I ever voted period, you know, locally, you know, on a national level.

And ever since then, I've just heard the rhetoric, right? The rhetoric is always the Republican candidate is going to end democracy. The Republican candidate doesn't care about democracy. It's just like, damn, y'all been using the same language for all these different presidential Republican candidates to the point where you actually now have a real threat to democracy out there. And you're kind of like the party who cried wolf. And it's like you can't even get, you know, you can't even get the sense of urgency up in America. Because people are like, oh, I heard that before. You told me that about the last guy.

Yeah. So Charlotte, I mean, for people who are unfamiliar with this, because a lot of folks watch cable news and they think the Democratic Party is amazing and that Joe Biden has accomplished more things than any president since FDR. And he's just God's gift to humanity. but especially God's gift to African Americans. And so when they see you saying, look, I'm not going to bother endorsing the guy. I'm, you know, they might be shocking it. It appears on television, they are shocked. Wherever you go on television, they seem to be yelling at you.

How dare you not full, you know, do a full support of Joe Biden? So can you explain to the people at home that don't know, why are you dissatisfied with the Democratic Party? Oh, man, it's a lot of reasons, you know. I mean, the main reason for me is because I'm always. thinking about the least of us. And when I'm, you know, in home and most corner South Carolina or just in South Carolina period, you know, I come from a rural area in South Carolina. When I'm, you know, in Newark, New Jersey, you know, doing community service, like, you know, you see that a lot of people's conditions have not changed. Like, it's really, you know, just that

simple. Like, you know, especially, you know, in the community that I come from, you know, amongst black people. And it's just like, man, we've been voting for change. And, you know, President Obama told us about the audacity of hope. And he told us that it was changed, you know, we could believe in. And it's just like, man, when I look at the least of us in our societies, things have not changed for them, you know, in any way, shape or form. So I mean, that's one of the main reasons that, you know, I get frustrated because whenever it's election time, it's like clockwork, you know, they start coming around and they start selling the dream. And, you know, they're telling us that things aren't going to change unless, you know, they have control of, you know, the White House and the city and Congress and all of these different things. And we go out there and we make these things happen and things still don't change.

And the biggest problem I have with the Democratic Party is like they really have a sense of cowardice when it comes to calling out people in their own party who are holding up progress. We watched them for four years, let, you know, Joe Manchin, Kristen Cinema, just hold up progress. And nobody was calling them out. If people go back and they watch the, you know, the conversation I had with Vice President Harris when she was on my, you know, talk show on Comedy Central. That's what I was pressing, pressing her on because we know if that was the Republican Party that Trump would have had a million nickniveness with Joe Manchin. You know, he'd have had a million nicknames for Christmas cinema. They'd have been putting pressure on them, you know, to do the, to do the thing. that they need done so, you know, they can move their agenda forward.

And it's just like, yo, if I don't see people fighting, it's like, why am I going to fight harder than they seem to be? Yeah, I mean, look, you're making a really great point. And one example that really stands out to me were the Senate runoff elections in the state of Georgia. And you have black voters getting super organized and doing what it took to ensure that the two Democratic candidates in those races won Senate seats. And they delivered, they delivered on the promise from Biden that should Democrats take control of the Senate, he's gonna fight for a voting

rights bill. What happened to that voting rights bill? And so my question to you is, Charlemagne, do you think this is what explains Trump increasing his support among black voters, particularly black males. A recent Pew survey found that Trump increased his support among black voters to the tune of 18%. So 18% of black voters, according to that poll, plan on backing Trump. Just to give you comparative analysis here, back in 2020, only 8% of black voters said that they planned on backing Trump.

And so do you think that the failures of the Democratic Party in delivering real benefits to the black community has translated to this increase? support for Trump? Well, I do think that number is overstated. I just can't see, you know, 22% of black people voting for Trump. But to answer the question, yes, I do think that is, you know, one of the reasons, you know. And I'm glad that you gave that reason as opposed to, you know, that narrative out there that people are saying because, you know, he's a convicted felon, you know, it's a bunch of

black people gravitating towards them. Like, that's just nonsense. You know, I do think that there are people who are, you know, fed up. up with just, you know, the Democratic Party in general and they are looking to try something new. And you know, Trump is is another option that's out there. But I do believe that number is overstated because I be, I mean, I don't, I've never met a black person that's been polled. And I've been having this conversation over the last couple of weeks because I keep seeing that number. And I'm like, have you ever been polled? Have you ever been pulled?

And folks is like, I've never been polled in, and in my life. So I think that that number is very, very overstated. And I hate how they're trying to push Trump on us. Like, white women are the reason that Donald Trump, you know, got into the White House. Like, when you look at Trump support right now, you know, it's a, it's probably majority white male. So it's like, I don't know why all of a sudden they're trying to push it on, you know, black people and black males in particular. And, you know, saying that, you know, our support for Trump has gone up. I do think it'll probably be an uptick, but I can't see 22%. If it's, if it's 22 percent, the Democratic Party need to really do some soul searching. Yeah. Okay.

So first of all, Charleney, I do want to correct you, Joe Biden did have a nickname for Joe Manchin. As he was signing the bill that Joe Manchin absolutely destroyed, he handed him the pen he signed it with and called him Jojo, his affectionate name for Joe Manchin. I'm not kidding, by the way, that actually happened. So it's pathetic. Now, look, Charlene, after the election, are they, you mentioned, I don't know why they're talking about young African Americans who might or might not be supporting Trump. Now, I'll tell you why, because they're going to blame you guys afterwards. And they're going to blame you in specific as they do to us all the time. Oh, Biden would have won if it wasn't for rascally Charlemagne the God who misled people and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

So, but to me, the actual misleading is happening by mainstream media who keeps selling African Americans, especially in critical primary states like South Carolina. Oh, the establishment Democrats, the corporate Democrats, the conservative Democrats, have your best interest. in my don't vote for progressives like Bernie Sanders or Nina Turner in primaries. Oh no, no, no, no, no. It seems like they agree with you on all the policy and will actually fight for you. But remember, they hate the Democratic Party and boo, they're terrible. Don't vote for progressives.

So instead of picking conservative Democrats like Joe Biden or going to Republicans or monsters and clowns like Donald Trump, what do you think about the idea of trying to redirect folks, especially African Americans within the Democratic Party towards progressives like Nina Turner? So they actually have a fighter on their side who actually agrees with them on policy. Well, you know, I love Nina Turner. I support Nina Turner and any and everything that she does. I think that she is just, you know, incredible. And she has a way of messaging to people that they understand.

And, you know, one of my favorite quotes of hers is that, you know, you may not do politics, but politics will do you. And I totally agree. Like, you know, those are the people that I would love to see, you know, Democrats putting a lot of energy behind. But, you know, they discourage people. from the Bernie Sanders of the world and the Nina Turner's, you know, and are even, you know, and I'm just throwing this in there, like third party candidates, they just discourage people

from them because they'll say things like they just simply can't win. Like they'll say that. Like that is the rhetoric that they will use. Voting for them is a waste of time. Supporting them, you know, is a waste of time. And I think that discourages people from, you know, actual, you know, candidates who care about people. That's, that's literally the biggest issue that is going on right now in America. You have all of these elected officials who are always putting their party over the needs of the people. They put, they put, you know, they care more about the needs of their party that they do the needs of the people. And that's the problem with American politics. You can

listen to Nina Turner. You can look at her, you know, track record and see that she cares about people more so than anything. And I think that, you know, a person like that, you know, running for office will never truly have the support, you know, that they need. Because to, to, to your point earlier, like, man, these corporations are all in these elected officials' pockets. And if they can't put their, they put their hands and, you know, you know, people's pockets, they don't want to support them. So somebody like Nina Turner, sadly, you know, unless, you know, we take back our power and realize that the power is truly in the people, she'll never get the shot or the opportunity that she, that she deserves. Yeah. And I feel like they keep yelling

at you guys. You know, they do to all minorities, including me, et cetera. But, it's especially to African Americans, like how dare you not support the establishment Democrat or the Democratic incumbent? But then when it's Jamal Bowman, all of a sudden, nobody's supporting him. Hillary Clinton pulls her, says that he endorses his opponent, Josh Gottheimer, who started a pack to support Democratic incumbents. Now is against the Democratic incumbent when it's Jamal Bowman. So how do we get an actual rebellion within the African American community and wake them up to

the fact that the corporate Democrats are not at all on their side and that they actually have an alternative within the Democratic Party? You know, I think eventually at some point the Democratic Party is going to fall flat on their face. I think at some point the scare tactics aren't going to work. I think at some point, you know, people aren't going to vote out of fear. I hate that it has to be. And I don't even know if it will be this year. I don't know, I don't, I don't know. But I hope, in a way, I hope that it's not this year just because I don't think, I think America's democracy is too fragile, you know, to handle, you know, Trump in office again. But eventually that is going

to have to happen. Eventually, the Democrats are going to have to fall flat on their face, you know, in one of these presidential elections. And they're going to have to see, you know, support from the African American community either go elsewhere or just not show up at all. Because, you know, that's the other thing. Just because people aren't supporting, you know, this administration at the moment doesn't mean that they're running the Trump either. It just means that voter apathy might win. I've been saying that, you know, for the past year. Like this election is about the Republicans who are the crooks, the Democrats who are the cowards and the couch, which is voter apathy. And a lot of people might just choose to sit this one out, you know, just because they are that discouraged, you know, about both candidates. And it's not even just, you know, the base of the Democratic Party. There's probably a lot of Republicans. There's probably a lot of, you know, independents who are just like, eh, I'm cool this year, which is, which is scary. Because then it's just going to come down to the bases. And when it comes down to the basis, it seems to me like, you know, Donald Trump's base is way more energized than, you know,

the President Biden's base. That's definitely true. I mean, you see it in the rallies that Trump holds and you see it in, you know, just the the voters being much more galvanized on the, you know, right versus what we're seeing among Democratic voters. But I want to stay on the topic of democracy for a moment, because you said a lot of really interesting things, especially as it pertains to third party candidates and the, you know, the propaganda and the campaigning to essentially convince voters that supporting

a third party candidate is a bad idea. And I'm curious if you have ever considered whether the Democratic establishment values democracy as much as they claim they do. Because the Democratic establishment did not allow for a primary on the left this time around at all. Remember, Biden said he wouldn't run for reelection, he was only going to serve a term and then bow out, but then he decides to run for reelection. If they're genuinely terrified that Trump could win and dismantle our democracy, do you genuinely think that the Democratic Party would be okay with running a feeble, frail-looking man who is incredibly unpopular with the electorate?

And it's a serious question, because seeing that they are gung-ho about Biden really makes me question whether they believe that Trump is a threat to democracy? You know, I've been saying this, you, I promise you, I go in and out of that so much. Because I'm like, well, if he's really such a threat, why aren't they acting like it? I've been saying since last year, I'm like Biden's not getting no younger. He's not going to get a new running mate. So if you look at the polls and it's looking like, you know, this true threat to democracy, you know, even can still win in November. But why are you taking the chance of even running a President Biden?

I got, they got mad at me for simply asking, is the Biden Harris ticket still a winnable ticket? That's a great question. They got mad at me saying they got mad at me when President Biden said, I forgot who asked him. They asked him, they said, you know, who else do you think can beat Donald Trump? He said out of his own mouth, like 50, it's like 50 other Democrats that could. Well, I'm like, line them up then. If you believe 50 other Democrats can beat Donald Trump, won't you do us the biggest favor? and step aside and give somebody else an opportunity because it's not that President Biden,

you know, have been a terrible president over the last four years. It's the fact that the person he's up against. When you look at all, you know, you look at the conviction that he just went through. You look at all of the criminal charges. You look at the fact he led an attempted coup of this country. He says things like he wants to terminate the Constitution to overthrow the results of an election. We've seen what he is capable of doing and willing to do. That guy is who it's too close to call it?

It's like, come on. And listen, all of these elections are close, but come on, man. Like, it shouldn't even be an option. Like, it should be a whole different conversation happening in America. And I think it would be if you know there was another candidate up against President Trump. And he's still sucking all of the air out of the room in regards to the media. I say it all of the time. Everybody spends so much time talking about how terrible Donald Trump is and the terrible things that he does.

But the left, especially left media, they don't spend enough time, you know, talking about the things President Biden is actually accomplished. They don't talk about the things that this administration is actually accomplished. And then you wonder why people say things, well, well, what are they doing? What have they done? I don't know. It's your job to tell us, but you don't because you're too busy focused on Trump because, you know, Trump actually brings numbers and ratings. Yeah, I know what he's been doing.

He's been funneling our precious resources and hard-earned taxpayer money to a foreign government, Israel, so they can continue on with the slaughter of innocent Palestinians in Gaza. That's what he's been up to over the last, you know, several months. And to your point, Charlemagne, if he has some great accomplishments that he wants to tout, who's stopping you? Yeah. Like, why don't you get out there and say it? Say it strongly, forcefully.

That's because he can't. So that leads me into my question here. They're about to have a debate in a couple of days. If Biden falls flat on his face and now the bar is so low that if he just doesn't melt on stage, everyone in media is going to declare him a champion, a dynamo, greatest thing ever because, oh my God, he didn't pass out in the middle of the debate. But if he does flop so hard that it's even the media can't deny it, should they pull him? I would I would say yes.

The reason I would say yes is because you know the base is going to show up and but it's about like those independence and those hypothetical swing voters, those people who, you know, maybe undecided, you know, it's about them. Like those are the ones that I think are really going, you know, change the time of the election, you know, come November. But I would also say the youth vote, because when you look at the last election, I think like they said, over 50% of all, you know, young voters showed up. I think that, you know, you would want to rally them to show up in November 2, but it's going to be hard because of, you know, what's happening in Gaza. Like, you know, like what was going on on those college campuses was a real issue that I feel like, you know, Democrats dropped the ball on in regards to, you know, how they were messaging, you know, to those young people. And I don't know how you flip that switch come November. Like when I see that, you know, throughout the country, you know, especially in Michigan,

people voting, you know, non-committed for Biden, I don't know how that mentality changes in November. I don't know what rhetoric or what narrative you push the people that's going to have people say, well, you know what, we did this then. But come November, you know, we're going to be gunhole, you know, the show. show up for you. So I think that you would probably have no choice, you know, but to what to pull them if you really truly care about, you know, democracy. And I'll give them a tip for Thursday too. You know, it's all of this talk going around about, you know, Biden needing to be drug tested. And, you know, they want to check them for PEDs. If they got PEDs to give them, give it to them. I'm all for the drugs. Drug them up. Like, give him the same. super serum. They gave Steve Rogers to make them Captain America, expose them to the same gamma radiation. Bruce Banner got exposed to to become an incredible Hulk. I want him to join a long

list of incredible athletes who were better when they were on PEDs. The Mark McGuire, the Barry Bonds of the world, if they got something that can make him look more energetic on Thursday, that can make him look like he's not in cognitive decline, they need to give it to him. And by the way, Trump might need, Trump definitely needs to take some too. So I'm like, yo man, everybody need to stop trying to, you know, call each other out for possibly using performance enhancing drugs. And both of them need to get on performance enhancing drugs and made a best prescription win on Thursday. That's the sorry state of America right now. And that's sad, right?

It's sad that we're here. But it's true. It's like, I mean, if they got something to give them, give it to them. So we're gonna come back and talk about policy. But as you say that, Charlemagne, look, I think like, imagine somebody like Nina Turner on that debate stage and how she could bust Trump up. But here we are rooting for the Biden team to load him up with drugs so he could, like, not pass out during the debate. Why? Why did we pick such a feeble, old, ridiculously stale candidate that no one is interested in? It's madness. I don't know if we picked him as much as circumstances picked him. And what I mean by that is like when you go. back and you look at 2020, you just look at everything that was going on in the world.

Like, you know, from COVID to people out in the streets protesting, you know, for the death, the murder of George Floyd. Like it was a lot going on in 2020 plus four years of, you know, constant Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. I don't know if President Biden, you know, wins in 2020 or even becomes the nominee if it wasn't for, you know, all those, you know, that series of unfortunate events. Yeah, and plus the all the corporate Democrats panicked when Bernie won the first three states. So they were like, no, we can't be a progressive. He would actually deliver.

No, we have to put in a guy who's not going to deliver, but then yell at everybody to vote for it. Super pro-domic democracy. Yeah, so the book is get honest or die lying. We're gonna come back in one second, so everybody stay here. Charlemagne and us, we're gonna talk about policy. Okay, you wanna talk about policy, we're gonna talk about it when we return. Stay right here.

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We appreciate it. It makes shows and interviews like this possible, Anna's got more. All right, so we're gonna discuss some of the news of the day with Charlemagne, starting with this. What I wanna do and what I will do is you graduate from a college. I think you should get automatically as part of your diploma, a green card, to be able to stay in this country. And that includes junior colleges too. Anybody graduates from a college. You go in there for two years or four years.

If you graduate or you get a doctorate degree from a college, you should be able to stay in this country. Donald Trump seemed to soften his stance on immigration while speaking to some of his Silicon Valley donors. This was on David Sacks's All In podcast. Now Silicon Valley execs, like Sacks, by the way, want to expand these visa programs in order to to bring in skilled labor that they can take full advantage of here in the United States. Trump even said he supported the idea of giving these undocumented immigrants. Well, they would come here on a visa. Green cards after they graduate from college, which you'll soon see didn't sit too well with

his base. We're gonna get to his base in just a moment. But before we do, let's get to more context in this conversation. So Trump was responding to a comment from one of the hosts, Jason Cali-Cannon. who said the following, we need high-skilled workers in this country. I mean, I don't know why Americans can't be considered high-skilled workers. We could train them, but Americans might actually have higher demands when it comes to salaries. Let's just keep that in mind.

But he noted that three of the four hosts on the podcast are immigrants. And then he asked Trump, can you please promise us you will give us more ability to import the best and brightest around the world to America, which prompted Trump's green card response. Let's hear more. You know more stories than I do, but I know of stories where people graduated from a top college or from a college, and they desperately wanted to stay here.

They had a plan for a company, a concept, and they can't. They go back to India, they go back to China. They do the same basic company in those places, and they become multi-billionaires employing thousands and thousands of people, and it could have been done here. And a bigger example is you need a pool of people to work for your companies. You have great companies and they have to be smart people.

Not everybody can be less than smart. You need brilliant people. And we force the brilliant people, the people that graduate from college, the people that are number one in their class from the best colleges, you have to be able to recruit these people and keep the people. It was such a big deal. Somebody graduates at the top of the class. They can't even make a deal with the company

because they don't think they're going to be able to stay in the country. That is going to end on day one. That's fantastic. Now make no mistake about it, Donald Trump softening his messaging on immigration has to do with the fact that he is willing to be anything to anyone as long as the check clears. And to be sure, he was sitting there having a conversation with his Silicon Valley donors, including David Sachs, who recently held a fundraiser for Trump in San Francisco. This took place earlier this month with the goal of raising $12 million.

The tickets that cost $50,000 or $30,000 had sold out. So I'm gonna go ahead and assume that they hit their fundraising goal. But this is just, I mean, this is what politics is. You know, Donald Trump at least understood that Americans are sick of corruption. So in 2016, he declared that he's gonna drain the swamp. And that message resonated with people who believed him. But maybe reconsider believing him when you take a look at what he's willing to say, depending on who he's in front of and depending on how much money they gave his campaign.

So, Charlemagne, complicated issue, Trump, you know, now all of a sudden saying he's in favor of immigrants, as long as they graduate from Harvard or something along those lines. The Republican governors started busing them to blue cities, and then it started in terms of immigrants in general. And then that started creating some issues in the inner cities. So this was a tough issue to deal with. What's your take on how Trump is dealing with it and how Biden is dealing with it? Well, you know, you made a good point just now about how Donald Trump will say whatever he needs to say, depending on who he's in front of and why that works so well is because if you're in a debate,

if you're arguing about what Trump said or what he didn't say, you can Google anything and it could come up. You could say you could Google Trump being against immigrants and you could Google Trump being for immigrants for him calling for, you know, calling to give them green cards, you know, the immigrant graduate. So it's actually a interesting tactic in this world that we live in now because you, like I said, you can literally Google, you know, something to reinforce whatever point it is you're trying to make. But as far as the immigration thing is, man, the immigration, it's interesting, right? Because I feel like, you know, we're in dream selling season, you know, because it's a presidential election year, so I really don't listen to any of these things that they're saying

because the immigration issue to me is just another example of how America does not know how to solve problems because we politicize everything. Democrats are willing to, you know, work with Republicans, but Republicans don't want to do it because they don't want Democrats to get the credit. You know, Donald Trump even told Republican, you know, for the border, you know, wait until I get back in office. if he gets back in back in office and then you know Democrats for the longest time trying to weaponize the border, you know, against Republicans. And I would say kind of downplayed the crisis at the border. You know, now it's an even bigger issue. And who gets hurt by this the most is the American people, you know, because like I said earlier, elected officials

care more about, you know, the needs of their party and they do the needs of the people. And that's the problem with American politics. They got mad at me, you know, and when I say they, I'm talking about left media in January because I was doing an interview with a Fox News digital and you know the guy Joseph over there he asked me do I think the border is going to be an issue and I said yeah and the reason I said yeah because the first time for the first time in my life I saw people you know from my community the black community complaining about the border you know whether it was you know activists in Chicago who were complaining about you know immigrants coming over and getting more resources than homeless people are getting more resources than

porn disenfranchised people on the south side whether it was New York City city when Mayor Eric Adams, you know, made kids stay home for a day to do remote learning because he housed, you know, the immigrants, whether it's a parking attendant. This is a true story, a parking attendant coming up to me in tears, wanting me to come to his neighborhood to see what is going on in his community because of gangs that have come over from the border. So when I started talking about this, these are conversations that I'm hearing from the people. There's people that I'm meeting in the street,

people calling the radio station complaining. When I started having these conversations and saying these things, and when I said that in that interview, man, MSNBC ran a headline that says, Shalameh, the God, is spreading MAGA messaging. This was in January. It's ridiculous. I'm like you saying no damn MAGA messaging.

This is black activists in Chicago and a brown parking attendant. And people, black people calling, you know, the complaint about, you know, their kids having to stay home for the day to do remote learning because of the, because they put immigrants in the school. So I'm like, how is that MAGA messaging? Now you fast forward, it's June and the border is like one of the biggest issues. You know, you know, if I think when I last looking po, the voter said it was like a top two, top three issue, you know, for them. So it's just like you got to stop looking at these things as you know,

you know, put put, we got to stop politicizing these things and just start listening to the people. If you listen, If you listen to actual everyday working class people, you will see what they care about. And you know, the border is definitely an issue. Thank you for saying that. And look, the allegations, the smears alleging that you're just trying to spread MAGA talking points is meant to put, is meant to silence you. So you stop criticizing or critiquing the failures of the Democratic Party and make no mistake about it. The Biden administration has ignored that issue, you're completely right about that. And I love the fact that you say listen to the people because that's what I do in my research.

So I watched the city council meetings where the local community in Chicago is speaking out, and they're talking about the unjust nature of them being nickeled and dined by their local government and by the federal government, let's keep it real, while all these resources, at this point to the tune of $400 million in local resources goes toward an issue that the federal government has essentially neglected until it became a political liability for them. And so that's why I respect what you do because you tell the truth and don't let them, you know, try to censor you with their ridiculous smears. I don't think you're, you know, pro maga at all. I think you're just telling the truth.

That's nuts. It's totally not. I watch those Chicago council meetings all the time. I have a good friend. Her name is Zoe. Zoe and she, she goes to those meetings all the time and raises hell in Chicago. I repost her in everything. And that's what I, I've even told, people in the Democratic Party, go to Chicago. You know, go to Boston. Like when you see these people complaining, these people are your constituents. Don't just chalk it up to, you know, noise on social media. Like, no, these are people that are really in the street, really going to these city council meetings, you know, raising hell about what's going on. So why not go talk to them? Go on the front lines with these people. Because one thing that I hate that politicians do,

you know, they talk about the people they should be talking to. Yes. Yeah, and you look, this is how mainstream media loses all credibility. When they take someone like Charlemagne or us and they claim that we're pro-Trump or pro-Maga, all of our audiences, not insignificant audiences, know exactly who we are. So then they're, that's just mainstream media saying, oh, we're lying. And now you could just tell that you're, we're lying. Because look at what we made up about Charlemagne or Jan, or Anna, et cetera. So all right, we're almost out of time.

So Sean, man, I want to ask you one last super quick question about your book. The book is get honest or die lying. So you talk in the beginning about people having to unlearn things and how important that is. So if you had one thing that the African American community is specific could unlearn, what would it be? Oh man, wow, that's a fantastic question. One thing that I would want us to unlearn, we are, and I think a lot of us know this, but we are not what, you know, propaganda has made us seem to be, you know, to the world. Like, you know, I guess since we're talking about politics, I'll keep it on politics.

I think that we should be able to criticize the Democratic Party, right, without, you know, people labeling us, you know, anything else. If we are the people who vote for them at the high number that we vote for them, we should be able to criticize them and know what is in our best interest to do for the country, you know, come November. But, you know, we will not get any real change. We will not get the things that we want if we don't push them and if we don't criticize them. So I want us to unlearn, you know, just going along to get along, you know, with with the Democratic Party, or any party for that matter. Because I don't feel like black people in particular should be beholden to any particular party. I think that we should only be voting

our interests. And we should be voting for issues that directly impact us as a community. So So to answer the question, I want us to unlearn being afraid to criticize, you know, the Democratic Party. Because if we have supported them the way that we've supported them all of these years, we should absolutely positively be able to criticize them. And they should listen and move how we want them to move. Yeah, and relearn the phrase good trouble from the civil rights era. On Lewis. Yep. That's right.

Let's create some good trouble to get back on the path we should be on. All right, thank you for joining us, Charlemagne. Really appreciate it. Everybody check out Charlemagne the God, of course, on his breakfast club. And now, most importantly, get honest or die lying, why small talk sucks, which is also a funny part of the book. Charlemagne the God, thanks so much for joining us. Really appreciate it. Thank you for having me.

I really love what y'all do on the Young Turks, man. And it's just, it's just, it's a very refreshing, you know, voice. You know, y'all don't lean the one side. Y'all are very, I tell people all the time, if this is a, if you want to go really hear what's going on, honestly, and in our society, you should tune in to the young Turks. Thank you, Charlemagne. We appreciate that. That's awesome. Really appreciate it, brother. All right, thank you. Talk to you soon.

All right, guys, we've got to take another quick break. When we come back, we've got more news for you guys. Really important updates, including on Israel potentially annexing the West Bank. We'll be back. All right, back on TYT, Jank and I'm going to. members and donate through t yt.com slash team and boy did you. F106 Delta, Lady Fukin T, DB 1210, Mama 222, Frigal 213, Queli, Brown Eye Dragon, bring back hostmates, GRS, search cloud, roses in August, drink your OJ, Ed Boko, all donated.

We love all you guys. And today's a great day to do it. You can also donate through t.y.t.com slash hostmates today. But while you're there, make sure you're checking out the trivia question. and making sure you register so you could win some prizes won't play hostmates at 8 o'clock Eastern. Anna. All right, well, Israel is planning to annex the West Bank. I mean, they've been allowing the construction of illegal settlements in the West Bank. They've been occupying the West Bank. They've been breaking international laws and committing all these violations.

But now there's a plan in place to officially annex the West Bank. Nothing makes that clear than the plan being laid out specifically by Israel's finance minister, Basilel Smotrich, in a recording that was reviewed by the New York Times. Now, let's get into those details. Now, to understand how this all works or how they plan on doing this, we need to give you some brief context. So Israel has described its occupation of the West Bank or its control of the West Bank as a temporary military occupation.

So they've been claiming, no, no, no, we're not annexing parts of the West Bank at all. We're just doing a temporary military occupation. Okay, and they argue that a permanent annexation would mean that the West Bank would be controlled by Israeli civilian authorities instead of the military. Well, Baselow Smotrich plans on allowing Israeli civilian authorities to take control of the West Bank. So Smotrich is not the only, is not only the Israeli finance minister, but he's also a minister in the defense ministry. And that oversees the civil administration in the West Bank. So he stated that Israel has taken the following actions in order to seize control of the territory. Given civilians greater control over settlement construction plans, as well as oversight over the

lawyers who decide legal issues in the settlements, stripped the army's top commander in the West Bank of the ability to block settlement construction plans. And by the way, look, the IDF, for the most part, was providing protection for the illegal settlements. So it's not like you have the IDF, you know, really interfering and preventing these illegal settlements from being built or it's not like they stepped in to prevent the annexation of the West Bank. But nonetheless, the idea, here is whatever safeguards were in place for the Palestinian people in the West Bank, let's do away with it. There's more. Secured nearly $270 million from Israel's defense budget to guard settlements in 2024 to 2025. Oh, look at that. They've got quite a bit of

money. I don't know why American citizens are funding the weapons they're using to slaughter innocence in Gaza, but let me continue. Moved closer to establishing a new security squad that could more speedily demolish Palestinian buildings in the West Bank that have been built without Israeli permission. Finally, in particular, Smotrich pointed to one change under which military officers no longer oversee most of the process by which Israeli settlements are expanded, land is expropriated, and roads are built in the West Bank. Those roles are now overseen by a civilian working under the defense ministry, who does not

work for military commanders, he said, but in a new directorate that Smotrich supervises, Jank. Yeah, so I want to be clear, first of all, Israel's not officially said, yes, we're in annexing the West Bank. But when asked, hey, did you say that Israel should annex the West Bank? And these are tangible steps they are already taking to annex it, as Anna pointed out. Smotrich acknowledged to the New York Times, yes, I did say those those things and I do mean those things. And yes, they are taking those tangible steps today already. It's not theoretical. So understand why Israel has not really participated in peace negotiations and the occupation

for about the last 20 years. Some of the peace offers they made were within the bounds of acceptable. Talk about how Aheadaul-Amer actually offered a pretty decent deal. Not a great deal, but a deal that was barely good enough to take, in my opinion. But outside of that, most of their offers have been junk. And they say things like, well, we're giving you back some of your land. I can't believe they didn't take it. They're no good terrorists won't take our offer of giving some small portion of their land back, right?

Now, the reason why Israel has been disingenuous or just not even participating in peace negotiations anymore is because they want to take more land. So the longer this stretches out, the more settlements they put in, the more Palestinian land they steal in the West Bank, the more they destroy Gaza. And of course in Gaza, now there are portions of the government, including so-called moderates like Benny Gantz, talking about taking a corridor within Gaza. So just grabbing more and more and more of the land. And they know they have ultimate power. America backs them 100%. Not only do we back them in terms of stopping anything that could actually put leverage to use to get to. peace deal, but on top of that, we send them endless amount of money to help them with the

settlements and set it. Now we all, in America, they claim, oh, we're not in favor of the settlements, but then why are we funding Israel that is doing these settlements? And that is now in the middle of annexing the West Bank, which is one of the most illegal things that'll ever happen in my lifetime on the international scale. So, and if you do that, by the way, what you're going to do is create a giant powder keg because I know in America, Generally speaking, both politicians and media think that Muslim lives are useless, worthless, irrelevant. And they don't care how many Muslims are slaughtered in Iraq, Afghanistan, our endless drone strikes all across the world. Gaza, West Bank, they don't care about us.

We get it, we get it. American officials hate Muslims across the world. And they think we're totally and utterly worthless. And our lives are worthless. We understand that, right? But on top of that, now they're saying, oh, yeah, we're going to let Israel take the West Bank. And we think those 1.6 billion Muslims should know their role. They should shut up and know when their land is stolen.

And if they ever fight back in any way, including diplomacy, and go to the United Nations that asked for a state, we're going to hit them harder, we're going to bomb them, we're going to steal more land, and America's awesome with it. And then they say they're surprises why Muslims across the world might not love America. They can't figure it out. Well, if you're saying that, come on, you're a liar. It's so obvious. Anyone who says that is lying to you on purpose, they know why Muslims are agitated at America.

It's because we're backing Israel 100%. And those Palestinians, it isn't just because they're Muslim. It's because we're slapping them across the face. We're humiliating them daily. And now we're saying, we're just going to steal all of your land in the West Bank. And there's not a goddamn thing you can do about it. And then when they react, we'll attack them and say they're violent savages who only understand violence. Well, let me give you another example outside of the annexation of the West Bank, which will be enabled by the United States government,

regardless of which administration is in power. Let's be real about that. But currently, the Israeli government is considering going to an all-out war. with Hezbollah in Lebanon. Okay? The US, the State Department, hasn't even declared that they will not support Israel in that effort. Okay, they've advised Israel that maybe it's not a good idea. So to me that communicates, the US is going to back Israel as they invade another sovereign country and go to war with Hezbollah.

But here's the other twist to the story. The Taliban in Afghanistan, complete with American weapons because of the Twitter, 20 year war, we waged in Afghanistan, we left those weapons, now the Taliban has those weapons. They're planning on backing Hezbollah in that war. Yeah, yeah, a giant Middle Eastern war helps who? It helps oil contractors, it helps defense contractors, and I guess the right wing of Israel thinks that it helps them. Not Israel, Israel will be one of the worst things people affected, the Israeli citizens, right? But the Israeli right wing thinks, yeah, that leads us to more power.

Who cares about the Israeli citizens? And obviously they don't care about Palestinians. And obviously they think America's a laughing stock. They lead us around by the nose. Hey, here you go, here you go, here's some AIPAC money. And if you don't believe that, you're being ridiculous. There's a bunch of idiots on television going, no, I think that Jamal Bowman's being offensive for complaining about the $14.5 million that APAC is spending on his election. I think that's anti-Semitic to complain.

He should just lose and he should know his role. His role is he's an American. His opinion is worthless. You support Israel, otherwise we spend unlimited money to defeat you, and then go, what corruption? What do you mean Israel's controlling the politicians through APEC? Oh my God, that is so weird and offensive for you to say. Now, we all have eyes, we all have ears. So there is no end to this.

I guarantee you right now that if we do not stop this, and if Trump wins or Biden wins or RFK Jr. none of them are going to stop it, they're all 100% on the side of the Israeli right wing. Well, it's going to blow up on America. We're going to have to go to war there. We're going to have to spend American kids are going to die there. We're going to spend trillions of dollars because once Israel starts the war by annexing the West Bank, attacking Lebanon or all the other wars that Netanyahu would like to start, they're going to say, oh, that's it, it's over.

The war started. You have to support our special ally, special ally that gets us a nonstop wars, makes the entire world despise us. What the hell kind of allies this? With allies like this, you don't need enemies. That's exactly right. Finally, I leave you with a statement from Basel Smotrich. He was quoted as saying, we created a separate civilian system referring to the annexation of the West Bank. It will be easier to swallow in the international and legal context. So they, so that they won't say that we are doing annexation here. And then he acknowledges it. Yeah, like yeah, we're going to lie to you. And we're going to tell you it's not an annexation when it's an annexation.

Then the New York Times asked him, did you say that? He's like, yeah, I did. What are he going to do about it, huh? So what, a bunch of suckers in America? Yeah, we own. We'll get him to do anything we want, okay? Who cares? Somebody disagrees with us, 10%?

That's at 14 and a half million. Oh, I didn't do it. APEC did it. It says American Israel political action committee. But, golly, gee, don't say it has anything to do with Israel. That would be anti-Semitic. We're going to spend $100 million dollars buying the entire. the entire United States Congress, but don't say it.

Don't ever report the truth because the truth is anti-Semitic. So I'm tired of these games. This world is going to explode if they annexed the West Bank fully. It's going to totally explode and half the known world is going to despise America. And Israel, if you think this is helping you, how in the world is this going to turn Israel into a safe haven? It's going to create an endless war that you guys are going to fight. And I know in your incredible arrogance, you think we have Iron Dome, we have America will fund

us no matter what, they've already given us $300 billion, they'll give us anything we want. We'll make them do it. At some point, Americans are going to go, well, we've had enough of this crap. No, you're not our ally, and all you've ever done is be unbelievably unfair to these people. And we're sick of it, and you did it with our money, and you're starting all these wars with our money, and we're not going to take it anymore. But I know right now in your unbelievable arrogance, you think it'll never happen. Well, okay, let's see how it turns out.

But there's no way this story ends well with Netanyahu Smotrich and Ben-Gavir in charge. And that's who's in charge of Israel right now. Well, we come back from the break. We'll talk a little bit about some of the pro-Palestinian protesters in Los Angeles. It's a huge story from over the weekend. But there's an important element to that story that's been left out. So come right back and we'll tell you exactly what that element. minutes.