The Young Turks - Coconut Takeover

Episode Date: July 24, 2024

AP survey shows Kamala Harris backed by enough delegates to become Democratic nominee. Trump crushes Harris in series of polls as new general election matchup takes shape. Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle resigns. Illinois State Police release footage of deputy fatally shooting woman. Here's a shortlist of who Kamala Harris could choose as vice president. HOSTS: David Shuster (@DavidShuster), Cenk Uygur (@cenkuygur) SUBSCRIBE on YOUTUBE: ☞ https://www.youtube.com/user/theyoungturks FACEBOOK: ☞ https://www.facebook.com/theyoungturks TWITTER: ☞ https://www.twitter.com/theyoungturks INSTAGRAM: ☞ https://www.instagram.com/theyoungturks TIKTOK: ☞ https://www.tiktok.com/@theyoungturks 👕 Merch: https://shoptyt.com ❤ Donate: http://www.tyt.com/go 🔗 Website: https://www.tyt.com 📱App: http://www.tyt.com/app 📬 Newsletters: https://www.tyt.com/newsletters/ If you want to watch more videos from TYT, consider subscribing to other channels in our network: The Watchlist https://www.youtube.com/watchlisttyt Indisputable with Dr. Rashad Richey https://www.youtube.com/indisputabletyt The Damage Report ▶ https://www.youtube.com/thedamagereport TYT Sports ▶ https://www.youtube.com/tytsports The Conversation ▶ https://www.youtube.com/tytconversation Rebel HQ ▶ https://www.youtube.com/rebelhq TYT Investigates ▶ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwNJt9PYyN1uyw2XhNIQMMA Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. Live from the volleyball market studios in LA, Jane Guger Davis Schuster, David, of course, not in the Polymarket Studios, but happy to have him here with us for this historic day. So Joe Biden's still out, don't worry, he didn't come back in. And we've got a ton of stories for you guys. Who's going to be Kamala Harris's VP? You're wondering?

I'm wondering the American country, the American country. Everyone in the country is wondering, yes, that country is America. All right, and Republicans on the attack, we attack back. So, and is Kamala the actual nominee? Well, I'm going to get to that in one second. So today, guys, we're also going to do Operation Joy like we always do on Tuesdays. It'll be slightly today, this week is a lot of politics, obviously. So more politics than even usual.

So a little bit of celebration of us getting caught trying in the Operation Joy bonus episode for the members tonight. So make sure you're checking that out if you're a member. And then later for members, old school. And we will talk a little bit of politics that we usually try to avoid an old school. But Michael and I will talk about our favorite politicians of all time and why we love politics. And so I think that's going to be an interesting conversation. So members, you got a lot to look forward to.

If you're not a member, you know where it is, that big, beautiful join button right underneath the video. You know it. And if you're not watching on YouTube, t.yt.com slash team, you know it. All right, so let me get started. Ladies gentlemen, we have a new nominee, Kamala Harris. Kind of largely, we're gonna explain to you right now. David Schuster, take it away. And, Jack, even the mainstream broadcast networks are now willing to make the call.

Kamala Harris campaign kicking off and a quick start in this presidential race. At least 27 states have now pledged their delegate. CBS News estimates that the vice president already now has the support that she needs to officially become the Democratic presidential nominee next month. And that was the official declaration on CBS News. This morning, Vice President Harris has now clinched the Democratic presidential nomination, and even the wire services agree. AP survey shows Kamala Harris backed by enough delegates to become Democratic nominee.

Several state delegators met late Monday to confirm their support for Harris, including Texas and our home state of California. By Monday night, Harris had the support of well more than 1,976 delegates she'll need to win on a first ballot, according to the AP tally. No other candidate was named by a delegate contacted by the AP. Harris has now begun a string of campaign rallies. She started Monday night at a crowded Biden Harris campaign headquarters in Delaware, where she announced that the staff and leadership from that organization will remain. The Wi-Fi seemed to glitch a bit, and President Biden actually joined the call as Harris was speaking to the staff there. Harris began by paying homage to President Biden, who endorsed her literally moments on Sunday after officially pulling out of it.

of the race. And it is my great honor to have Joe's endorsement in this race. And it is my intention to go out and earn this nomination and to win. And the pathway to the Democratic nomination seems to be clear in part because there are no challengers. Nobody has even given a hint that they want to challenge Kamala Harris before the convention are at the roll call. And this includes some people that have been talked about, including California Governor Gavin Newsom, Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro.

Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, who ran a hell of a campaign back in 2020. And in fact, beat Biden and Harris. Harris didn't even enter the race in 2020. Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders has not endorsed Kamala Harris, but he's not given any indication that this has anything to do with him actually launching a campaign against her now, more that Sanders essentially holding out and trying to extract from Harris some promises. about progressive policies should she win.

Meanwhile, as the Associated Press reports, the Democratic Party plans to push forward with a virtual roll call in which delegates to its convention can choose a presidential nominee before they gather next month in Chicago, despite Vice President Kamala Harris being overwhelmingly favor to replace President Joe Biden at the top of the ticket.

The convention rules committee will meet Wednesday to approve how the virtual roll call will work. But a draft of the plan was obtained by the Associated Press on Monday night. It does not list a date for when virtual voting would begin, but Democratic National Committee Chair, Jamie Harrison, said the process will be completed by August 7th or 12 days before the party's convention begins. Technically, the delegates, regardless of their pledges now, can still change right up until that virtual roll call in August the 7th. So in that sense, this is Jenkin open roll call and open convention, but it doesn't really matter since Kamala Harris has already closed the deal.

She is the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee for 2024. Ken? Yep, that's why I said kind of. And so I want to build upon what David just said. So a lot of our members are writing in like Dawn the Farmer just wrote in saying, hey, hashtag open convention. And you know that I was very much in favor of that. And I think that's the direction they should have gone. I think that this was a mistake to immediately go with Kamala Harris.

Not because Kamala Harris is necessarily a bad candidate. Actually, I think that she's done pretty spectacular so far and in the ways that I'm about to explain, but because I think the process helps to make the party stronger. So it's kind of that she's the nominee because, as David pointed out, those delegates haven't voted yet. It's only official when they vote. And a lot of them are pledged to Kamala Harris, but there's something that the media is not quite filling you in on, and simply because they might not know it.

or have a good enough grasp of it. So I've talked to a lot of delegates because I ran in the primary myself. I know some of the delegates and what they're saying, first of all, is that is correct. We're gonna vote by August 7th and they told me that, you know, several days ago. And but the second thing is that Kamala Harris, this is both good news and bad news, has gone to the state delegations and made quick appearances asking for their votes, you know, in which Joe Biden didn't do. And so she's being active, she's going to all the state delegations that's good.

That means you've got a strong, vibrant campaign that's engaged and is actually talking to the delegates and not taking any chances. So that I view that as a positive for what kind of candidate she's going to be. But that also shows you that a lot of the pledge delegates were like, okay, we're out of a Zoom call, yeah, everybody agree, yep, all right, Connecticut agrees, here we go. So is it real? Only kinda. And so am I in favor of a virtual roll call 12 days before the convention?

Of course not. It's never happened before. There's no need for it. It's just to move the process along. So, and the Democratic leadership is always panic. We need a leader. We need a leader. We need a leader.

Just calm down. And so at this point, though, you know, whether they have it on August 7th or at the convention, it appears it's not going to matter too much. On principle, they should have it at the convention. And on principle, they definitely should have done an open convention. But having said that, look, here are the factors. Number one, she has at least the pledged delegates. Number two, as we're about to get into, she raised about a quarter of a billion dollars from grassroots and large donor pledges combined. And that, in this day and age, I hate that that puts it away.

But for the purposes of the other Democratic candidates who would be intimidated by going up against that money, it kind of puts it away. But that's one of only a couple of factors here, or several factors. Then the third factor is, and the most important one, honestly, is the press. Because once the press says she's the nominee based on, and they're not going to explain in this level of detail that the pledge delegates aren't actually, haven't actually voted yet. And remember, there's the same trick they did with super delegates in the 2016 election where they all said, oh, all those superdelegates are Hillary Clinton. She has a 98% lead.

Why is Bernie even bothering when none of those delegates had ever voted? And so that was that was a very much an actual trick by the Hillary Clinton campaign in the DNC. And the press loved that trick and went along with it. This one is way more understandable. There is no return here. And the final, the fourth reason is the one that David mentioned. There's no one running against her. So it's kind of academic.

So guys, we fight for the right things and then we're practical. So we fought for getting Joe Biden out of the race. And everybody said, oh, that's impossible. And I told you on one of the first interviews that I did about it, I said, look guys, by the time we're done, they're going to say it was inevitable. So here we are. Just like I told you went from impossible to inevitable. But there are things that actually are impossible. You have to know what the difference between the two. So when other people tell you it's impossible, don't believe them. That means nine out of ten times they don't want you to try. But in this case, we're going to somehow unseat Kamala Harris. with all those pledged delegates and no one running against her, right? It doesn't make sense, it's not doable for all the reasons that I just explained. Okay, now by the way, if something goes wrong before August 7th, you still have that option, and that's why you should keep that option to the convention, but you're not going to be able

to talk sense into Democratic leadership. So, and but the good news is so far Kamala Harris is doing pretty well. She's being strong, she is giving speeches without any word salads. I know it's a low bar, but she's going way above the low bar, guys. She's not just clearing the low bar. She's giving good, fiery speeches. We'll get to some of that in a little bit. But on top of that, she showed strength by saying, okay, here's my VP possibilities.

And thereby kind of eliminated those folks as contenders because they immediately scrambled to get on her team and they endorsed her. And that was a very effective way of pushing out her top contenders. Then she went and met with all those delegations. That's also good. She did the hard work within a span of about 24 to 36 hours to lock this up. And final piece of credit is, look, the bottom line of the open convention was I want a candidate that can prove that they're strong enough to win those delegates. And in a sense, she did just quicker than we expected.

So credit to her and excited about the new nominee. David. I can't get over, though, that's sort of the whiplash in the sense that, you know, Democrats always wear their emotions on their sleeve. and the emotions that Democrats had when Joe Biden seemed to be digging in. And yes, you've been saying for weeks they needed to get, you've been saying for a year, Joe Biden needed to get out. The Democrats, though, seemed to be in such panic and couldn't fathom the idea that Joe Biden was not going to get out. And so likewise, it almost seems like the raw emotions of the Democratic Party being in turmoil have now swung wildly the other way

so that now it's the Democratic Party has to march in lockstep in order to compensate for all the turmoil they had. And it gets to what I've heard from a couple of political analysts who I respect on the Democratic side who said, you know, if Joe Biden had gotten out right after the debate, as a lot of people were pushing him, or if it had even gotten out, say, a week and a half ago, maybe not right after the debate, but it took a week, then you would have seen a more likely scenario where some of these challenges, potential challengers to Kamala Harris would have materialized because there was so much chatter a few weeks ago about, well, how can we do this? We can have sort of an open mini primary. We can have debates. We can rotate to university campuses.

But as the calendar continued to tick off and as Joe Biden continued to dig in by staying in as long as he did, most political analysts would say he essentially did Kamala Harris a favor. Because she knew the inevitable. She had time to prepare, as you point out, and she's gotten off to a fast start. But also because the window of opportunity for a challenger has shrunk, there are no challenges. And I wonder what you make of that argument that Joe Biden, by digging as he did, essentially gifted the nomination Kamala Harris without any opposition. Well, he did that. And plus, he endorsed her out of the gate. So that gifted her in a couple of different ways. Even though we know behind the scenes, he's not excited about Kamala Harris. I don't know if he viewed that as like a parting shot at the Democratic Party. Like, oh, yeah, here you go, Kamala Harris. See how you like that? Because from all reports and from what I have seen myself as well, for what it's worth, it appears that the Biden team is not a believer in Kamala Harris. So it wasn't like kumbaya as much as a little bit of ha ha potentially.

But having said that, none of that matters. A lot of what people are asking me is, okay, so what is your stance on Kamala Harris? I don't really have a stance. And the reason I don't have a stance, David, is because she's on both sides of each issue. And so, and by the way, then there's two sides of that as well. That means she's a good politician, Barack Obama was such a great politician that everybody he thought he was on their side, no matter which part of the political spectrum they were in. Every time he spoke, he was speaking in a way that was so eloquent, but honestly, purposely

vague that made you feel like, oh, he's on my side. And the guy that is totally opposed to you would think the same exact thing. So the reason Kamala Harris is like that is not because she's as great an order as Barack Obama was, but because she will do things like hold the banks accountable when she's attorney general, and I go, all right, and get $18 billion back for the citizens of California. That's terrific. And then she'll let Steve Mnuchin slide on massive bank fraud that affected home foreclosures in a significant way. And then he winds up becoming Treasury Secretary under Trump because she let him off the hook. And so, and on almost every issue, I could show you Kamala Harris

going one way, and then Kamala Harris going a different way. So the upside of that is that that might help you politically, the downside of that is, I don't really know who Kamala Harris is. So if you're asking me, okay, tell me exactly who she is now, I don't know. She's going to have to show us. And remember, she's not been around that long. She's only a senator for a couple of years. Then she lost the primary pretty badly in 2020, then became vice president, and then didn't do much as vice president.

So, like, I think the reason that everybody is constantly asking is, one, is on understandable, I'm a pundit, people ask, right? But the second reason is because people assume that you're on a side and that that side is already predetermined, irrespective of the facts. But in this case, I'm actually looking forward to the facts. Is she a good campaigner? Is she strong? Is she likely to win? That's one side. The other side is, how is she on policy? Is she going to do anything that's positive? Look, you're asking for huge change from a largely establishment Democrat. I don't want you to get your hopes up because I don't believe in false hope, right? She's not going to deliver some sort of dramatic, massive change that, oh my God,

the average America is empowered. She would not be a fascist like Donald Trump. And maybe, if we're lucky, she'll be marginally better than Joe Biden, but it'll be marginal. Now, having said that, I think, don't get me wrong, I think you should definitely celebrate today, Because Joe Biden had a 0% chance of beating Donald Trump. Trump was guaranteed to be president of Joe Biden stayed in the race. And like I told you yesterday, now all the pundits on MSNBC that were lying to you have now turned around and said, yeah, it was a 0% chance. All of Biden's advisors say, yeah, it was a 0% chance.

We were right all along, okay? And so now we have at least a 50% chance of beating Donald Trump. And that was because of a lot of hard work that people in this audience did. So you guys are amazing and you made a difference. You got caught trying and it worked. So you should be incredibly happy today. And then we'll hold Kamala Harris as accountable as humanly possible while we go forward. Well, let's take a look at some of the numbers, Jenk.

Watch this. If Harris is a nominee, it's still going to be a very tight race. Look, this is going to be a close race no matter what. And this is what you have to look at in the polling. It's very early, and this is all hypothetical so far. But keep in mind that Harris is running a little bit better than Joe Biden, at least preliminarily. There was a poll out that we did about a month ago that had her up three points over Donald Trump, a poll that came out, though, in the wake of that assassination attempt, had it a dead tie,

44, 44. There does seem to be a wave of new energy for the Democratic Party now that Kamala Harris has risen to essentially become the presidential nominee. There's been so much energy, in fact, that the Harris campaign has raised a record amount of money, more than that in a second. And again, you know, does the money necessarily translate into polling? Well, that's not clear yet. But let's start about by talking about the fundraising.

The Harris campaign has already raised $100 million. That's the largest one day hall in presidential history. The 100 million hall came from more than 1.1 million unique donors, including 62% first time donors, according to the campaign. And this is from Melissa Quinn and CBS News. A super pack backing the Harris run. Future Forward has also raised $150 million. since she announced her candidacy on Sunday.

58,000 people have also signed up to volunteer for the Harris campaign. So do those numbers actually predict how well she's going to do against Trump? Well, across recent polls, Harris still trails Donald Trump by three percentage points nationally, 46% to 49% according to the New York Times polling average. Some more recent polls look even worse for Kamala Harris and a Harris X Forbes poll conducted between July 19th and 21st, 2024, Donald Trump led Harris among registered voters 50% to 41%. Plus, Harris's popularity ratings are not great with 51.4% disapproving and 38.3% approval

according to the 538 survey, Trump has a higher disapproval rating at 53%, but 39% of Americans approve of him. However, keep in mind that most of the polls we have now are likely to change as the news from the weekend starts to settle in. And there is a recent poll that just came out from Reuters Ipsos that has Kamala Harris beating Donald Trump, 44% to 42%, but that 2% difference is within the margin of air. Jack, what do you make of it? Yeah, so I have a clear opinion on this one, which is that don't worry about the polling right now, because it's so up in the air. I mean, my God, we have had so much news recently. It hasn't settled down at all. So that's why you're seeing this variability in the polls, and you'll see it for at least another week.

But there are other reasons why the current polling is, I'm not looking at it much at all. So I see one, you know, as David just showed you, one that worry, oh, Trump's got a big lead. Oh, another one where she's died. Oh, my God, one where she has a two point lead. No, no, no, no. It's none of that, in my opinion, based on experience, is relevant at this point. It becomes relevant in a couple of weeks when things settle in, right? Then you begin to get a sense of the race.

And so in the beginning, Kamala Harris is going to start out weaker. Why? Number one, you'd be surprised at how many real Americans don't know anything about politics, don't care about politics, don't like politics. And hence, you'd be shocked at how many people don't even know Kamala Harris. So that name recognition, but now that she's a Democratic nominee and everybody, a lot more people have heard her, heard of her, right? And actually heard her speak instead of being characterized in a certain way by Fox News,

her numbers are going to go up and the only things that they did hear about Kamala Harris is some of those awkward interviews that she did you know whether it's you know the right wing or justifiably daily show and others going what is this right so those are the snippets that some people have seen and then finally the one thing you heard she was in charge of was the border and the border's a mess so all of the things about Kamala Harris have been negative so far but But people don't know any of the positives. Like I just mentioned a little bit earlier in the show that she got $18 billion back from the bankers when she was attorney general in California.

Did they know that? She was tough on crime, which hurt her in 2020, but in 2024, in the Democratic primary had hurt her, but in 2024, that's gonna be a big asset, right? And there's a, she was tough on the drug companies. Again, there's both sides to both of these, because she also takes huge money from these folks and sometimes lets them off the hook, but that's all going to be adjudicated. But so far, very few people in America, real voters, not people that are enmeshed in politics and new politics for a living, right?

Barely know any of the positives of Kamala Harris. So my guess is that, and then I'll add one more thing, David. So that's all about the uncertainty, but what do I think is going to happen going forward? Number one, they're going to get to know Kamala Harris, that's going to increase her numbers a little bit in and of itself. Number two, they're gonna get to hear for the first time some of the positives of Kamala Harris. That's gonna increase the numbers. But the two big ones are, when they see her on the campaign trail for a couple of weeks,

they're going to see someone dramatically younger than the politicians they normally see on TV. And remember, it's not just Biden and Trump, Mitch McConnell, Diane Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, they're all ancient. So when they see a non-dinosaur who's the leader, of one of the major parties, I think that that is going to be a difference maker. And you might say, hey, that's not fair, it shouldn't, that's not policy. And you'd be right about that. But nevertheless, these things definitely affect elections.

And so that's going to be huge. And then finally, the biggest one, in my opinion, has nothing new with Kamala Harris. Two weeks from now, people are going to remember that Donald Trump is still Donald Trump. So he had the halo around the assassination attempt, and he looked heroic on that day. And he got a big bump. I totally get it. That's normal politics, but it's not going to last because the guy's a maniac. So he's back to, they were trying to control him, his campaign manager, very tightly

controlled convention where they're like, oh, after the assassination attempt, he's a new man. He's totally sane and very reasonable and very kind behind the scenes. And he's already right back at it. The Democrats are stolen, crazy witch, Pelosi. Carmel of Harris is black, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And two weeks from now they're going to be like, oh yeah, that schmuck. And so he's, and by the way, at his height, he's in the low 40s. I told you to many you get rid of Biden, you become favorites. So I would be very surprised

if she didn't take the lead. Holding the lead is a different matter. That's the next four months. So don't, nothing is anywhere near guaranteed in either direction. But I think Kamala Harris is very likely to take the lead. I'm with you. And I think that's also been the connection between the money she's raised in polling because she's essentially, as you point, She's a blank canvas for a lot of the American people. And even if Americans are not able to get much more than a 15 second sound by an occasion on the evening news, and it's the only the diehards that are sort of paying attention

to these speeches, there's still an opportunity now for the Harris campaign to dump some of this $150, $200 billion into advertising that gets to people that shows Kamala Harris a little bit more in depth and paints the picture of who she is. And that's also a challenge for Republicans to try to paint the negative picture and and use their advertising to diminish her. It does seem like Republicans are a little bit afraid of Kamala Harris. I mean, Donald Trump has now floated the idea of dodging the next presidential debate in September. He accused ABC News, which is the host of covering up for Joe Biden and wrote, ABC, the home of George Slopidopoulos,

is not worthy of holding a debate of which I hope there will be many. And then in addition to, and that was sort of backpedaled by Lara Trump, who then said, no, no, no, he's going to participate. But in addition to sort of being afraid of Kamala Harris, There's the effort, of course, now to dog whistle things in terms of racism. And we talked about the idea of trying to paint this picture of Kamala Harris. Well, the Republicans are trying to paint the picture of her being some sort of DEI sort of candidate who's not qualified. Here's Congressman, Republican Congressman Timbershatt. Watch. Biden said, first off, he said he's going to hire a black female for vice president.

And that he just skipped over. What about white females? What about any other group? Just when you go down that route, you take mediocrity. And that's what they have right now as a vice president. 100%. She was a DEI hired. Her record is, is abysmal at best. No record.

Mediocrity. Well, it's a pretty low bar for Democrats in my view, junk, to get past. And it's not going to take a ton of advertising for them to do that, I think. Yeah, we talked about their charges of DEI. yesterday. I'll just quickly say this. I think it's going to backfire. You know, you got a legitimate critique of, hey, picking based on demographics for your vice president, which remember, Barack Obama did that. He picked an old white man, Joe Biden, to reassure American voters. And nobody screamed DEI or affirmative action or anything like that. And he was definitely picked based on demographics.

So I get the critique of demographics, but the way they're saying it makes them look racist. It Because even if you don't think so, if you're a minority out there or you're a woman out there and you hear, the only reason she was picked was DEI, that makes you mad. Like, no, wait a minute, we earned what we had. So don't tell me that everything I got was because of DEI. So I think it's a very poor strategy for the Republicans and will backfire. But we'll see if I'm right. Now, look, here's another thing that is unfortunate.

Donald Trump is funny. Slopidopoulos is one of the funnier things I've ever seen a politician say. And I'm sorry, and I wish he wasn't a politician, and he was just an insult comic, but Slopadobulus is hilarious. Okay, I know I'm a child, but so is he. And it does work. People like you if you're lighthearted, et cetera. But that's not the relevant part.

The relevant part is, oh, now all of a sudden you're afraid of a debate, Donald Trump. Because just a minute ago, he was saying, come on Joe Biden, let's do it again. I'm so good at debating, Kamala Harris gets in the contest. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I didn't say debate. I didn't say debate with you, okay? It's not you, it's not you, I'm worried about Slopidopoulos. Sure you are. Well, why did you agree to Slopadopoulos earlier when it was Joe Biden who we were going to debate?

And now here's another great mystery about Kamala Harris that we're going to find out soon enough. So the in the 2020 primaries, she was terrific in the first debate and won it. She won that first debate out of all of those like 280 candidates back in the day. And remember in the first debate, they had like, I don't know, 20 or something, 10, 50. I don't remember how many it was. It was a gigantic number. And Kamala Harris, I thought, and remember she, I wanted Bernie to win. I didn't want Kamala Harris to win.

But we were objective and fair at all times. We came out of the debate. And I was like, Kamala Harris definitely won it. Out of all those people. And she roasted Joe Biden. And Biden held that grudge forever, right? If that Kamala Harris shows up to the debates, 90 night, Donnie, okay? But after the first debate, Kamala Harris politically jumped off a cliff, and we never heard

from her again. She was terrible in other debates, and she meandered and then just lost and got out before the primaries. So which Kamala Harris is going to show up? I don't know. But if the one from the first debate shows up, Donald Trump is at a lot of trouble. I agree 100%. And that, you know, it makes the stakes of the September.

debate, even more intriguing. Yeah. And by the way, she was a prosecutor. So, and he is a criminal. So it's kind of a perfect little cross-examination set up. And she's now already used a similar line on the campaign trail, which is a good line. But the last part of it is if you remember, there's one other factor with Kamala Harris. The other reason we were excited about her when she was a senator and what we gave her praise for was in the hearings, she would pick apart the corporate executives testifying. She was really good at that.

Again, I don't know which one is going to show up. But if that Kamala Harris shows up, then it won't take long for me to say that this race at that point. If, if that happens, then the race would be over. Because Donald Trump does not have the intellectual firepower to match that. But let's see who Kamala Harris is these days. And I have no idea why she took like a four or five year. hiatus from like being competent. And so it's like don't get overconfident. I don't know what happened there and I don't know if that'll come back up. But if it doesn't, and it's old Kamala

Harris, yeah, like I said, Trump's in a world of trouble. And Democrats are in, I mean, just infinitely better shape than when Biden was the candidate. Okay, all right, we got to take a break. You crazy? All right, when we come back, ladies and gentlemen, we got someone else. Who's that? We'll share that with you. And then who's going to be the VP? Oh, that's an exciting conversation.

What would a unity ticket look like? Hmm, we'll be back. All right, back on TYT, Jank and David Schuster with you guys. David's also, of course, on Rebel Headquarters, so make sure you're checking that out. And Box, thank you for giving a membership. David, what's next? Jenk, watch this. Was there a conspiracy to kill President Trump?

Absolutely not. Then how did this happen? And why are you still sitting here, not turning in your letter of resignation. Last question, but please answer, and then I'll recognize Mr. Presley, please answer the question. That is what we're investigating to determine. We're waiting for your letter. We're waiting for your letter of resignation, and you really need to consider doing that before you leave today. After a brutal hearing yesterday at the House Oversight Committee, the director of the Secret Service, Kimberly Cheadle, has now resigned. This is related to her failure, the agency's failure, to prevent

the assassination attempt against Donald Trump in Pennsylvania. Members during the hearing from both sides of the aisle called either for her resignation or for her firing. Watch. It is my firm belief, Director Cheedle, that you should resign. Not only should you resign if you refuse to do so, President Biden needs to fire you. Because his life, Donald Trump's life, and all the other people which you protect are at risk because you have no concept of the aspect that the security footprint needs to be correlated to the threat. Look, I'm not questioning your judgment. I just don't think this is partisan.

If you have an assassination attempt on a president, a former president, or a candidate, you need to resign. I call upon you to resign today. Today, you do need to resign. This is bipartisan. You need to be fired. You do not need to hold this position. You are not the best for this job. I don't want to add to the director's terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. But I will be joining the chairman in calling for the resignation of the director just because I think that this relationship is irretrievable at this point. And I think that the director has lost the confidence of Congress. That was ranking Democrat on the committee, Jamie Raskin of Maryland.

joined James Comer, the Republican chairman from Kentucky in even sending an official letter calling for Cheadle's resignation. This morning, Cheadle announced her resignation in an email to Secret Service Employees. She wrote the Secret Service. A solemn mission is to protect our nation's leaders and financial infrastructure. On July 13th, we fell short on that mission. The scrutiny of the last week has been intense and will continue to remain as our operational tempo increases. As your director, I take full responsibility for the security lapse. This is according to ABC News, is in light of recent events, it is with a heavy heart that I've made the difficult decision to step down as your director. This incident does not define us.

I do not want my calls for resignation to be a distraction from the great work each and every one of you do towards our vital mission. That's from the Washington Post. As previous reported, many lawmakers believe that Cheadle was not cooperating with the congressional investigations in the shooting. She was skirting around some of the basic questions about what went wrong and why. And she seemed to be taking far too long to deliver a report nine days after the shooting. She said she needed, well, another 60 days in order to deliver a full report. Well, Representative Alexandria Ocaster-C Cortez gained respect, even from the Republican social media crowd who said, hell is freezing over when they agreed with the OC.

AOC ripped into Cdle over the lengthy time to prepare this report. Director Cheadle, respectfully, what you had just laid out about 60 days. We are currently in the midst of an especially concentrated presidential campaign in the moment. That is also paired with, of course, elections happening across the country. They're happening in about 100 days. So the notion of a report coming out in 60 days, when the threat environment, is so high in the United States, irrespective of party, is not acceptable. And so we have one thing now that Democrats and Republicans have agreed on,

and that is that the Secret Service Director should be fired or resigned. And in fact, now she has done just that she has resigned. Thoughts, Jane? Yeah, so this is the biggest no-brainer of all time. Of course, she should have either been fired or resigned. But of those two options, I would have definitely gone with fired. And I would have gone with that within two days. I would not have taken this long.

And so I think that leads to a different issue. But first, let me just say, hey, bipartisanship. Thank God. What was the last time you saw that happen? So finally, a little bit of agreement. I mean, this is such an easy one, but I'll take it. But in terms of the issue that this brings up, that isn't related to the actual attempt, is who's in charge?

And so look, I know the administrative state is in charge largely both under Republican and Democratic presidents. And I get that, hey, when, like I run a company, but that doesn't mean I make every single decision. No, I delegate and people do their jobs, and they're very good at doing their jobs, and I don't interfere with it, right? But having said that, the buck stops with the person in charge, right?

So Joe Biden, this is not a small thing. not, hey, you know what, the under secretary to Norway can handle our relationship on XYZ. This is, somebody took a shot at the president, came with, former president came within an inch of killing him. This is a massive issue. I need to get on this. And Biden is just nowhere to be found. I mean, I get it that he had COVID, COVID and obviously he's thinking about his own presidential race and his career and his legacy and he's obsessed with that. I understand all of that, but you still have to be president, and it should not have taken this long, and he should have taken action earlier.

So let's be honest about that. So this, her stepping down was absolutely inevitable, but it took too long, and in doing so kind of revealed that there, we need a more steady hand on the wheel. Joe Biden's got to get back to being in charge of running the country. And I know, I know his mental state, I've talked about it more than anybody else. And I know he couldn't do the campaign and be president at the same time. But if he says he can be president still, okay, there's only a couple of months left here, about four to six months left.

And the administrative state runs a lot of things. But still, let's get some hands on the wheel here because that was unacceptable. I agree. I just think it's ironic that because Joe Biden, at least in the first 24 hours after this, I thought he handled this well in terms of his media appearances, his statements, his speech to the nation. The person who totally dropped the ball in terms of the media narrative and getting out in front of all these questions was Kimberly Cheatel. We never heard from her. I mean, she could have come out a day later and said, this was terrible, this was a mistake.

Here's what we know so far about the motive of the shooter. Here's what we know so far about why the Secret Service somehow missed this particular rooftop and the shooter was able to get up. But by not saying anything, it just seemed gent to sort of feed the conspiracy theories and the questions. And it seemed like, well, the Secret Service is hiding something. And it turns out they were hiding something. This was an even greater failure, a blunder by the Secret Service and the local police. And we initially thought the day this happened. And I think at that point with the Secret Service director not getting out in front of the story as it was emerging, she was doomed.

And rightfully so. Yeah, I mean, look, if I was ahead of the Secret Service and somebody missed by an inch, I'd think, oh, I'm already fired, right? Or I would know that I wouldn't wait to get fired. I would resign. I would just try to find out exactly what happened as quickly as I could. And then I would do the right thing and say, obviously, I tender my resignation. As she put it in her own testimony, the worst operational failure in decades. Well, you can't not resign if you did the worst job in decades. It was absurd. I can't believe she said that and didn't resign immediately.

So, yeah, it was more than a long time coming. And somebody in the government's got to take personal responsibility for something. And at a bare minimum, that was huge incompetence and negligence. And that's exactly why you should be relieved of duty. All right, guys, we got two giant stories for you coming up. Who's going to be the vice president? And then an horrific shooting. One of the worst shootings in a long time, unfortunately happened recently.

And we have that story for you guys as well. We'll be right back. All right, back on TYT, Jank and David with you guys. David, what's next? Thank you. We're about to show some police body camera footage from Springfield, Illinois. It was recorded on July the 6th. I want to warn everybody that this is extremely graphic video and some viewers may find it very disturbing.

Here it is. What? Away from your hot steam and water. Oh, I would rebuke you in the name of Jesus. I'll juke you in a name of Jesus. You better f*** or not. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Drop the fop. The f*** drop the fop! The f*** drop the poth! Burt! Burt the f***! Shots fire! Jump fire! Jump fire!

Drop the fire! Drop the f*** pop! Brompe the effing pot. That was Springfield, Illinois Sheriff's Deputy Sean Grayson after shooting an unarmed African American woman, 36 year old Sonia Massey. Massey had been holding a pot of boiling water and she moved it off of the stove after the police asked her to move it. When they then backed away, and she said, you're moving away because of this?

And they said, yeah, it's steaming water, it's boiling water. She then said, well, she was a bit sort of surprised and flustered that they would do this. He then said, may Jesus, may I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. Well, that triggered Deputy Grayson or woke up the demon inside of him after shooting Massey in the head. The other officer then radioed for an ambulance. Three minutes now. We're going to headshot wounded of female.

Headshot women of the female 1078. I was all. I was on. I'm going to go get my kit. I'm going to get a head shot. Dude, you're done. You can go get it, but that's a headshot. God damn it. God, that's a headshot, said Deputy Grayson. This incident happened on July the 6th at 1 in the morning. It began when Massey called emergency dispatch to report a possible burglar near her home. Two deputies

from the Sangamon County Sheriff's Office then responded and entered Massey's home. Within a few minutes, the police seemed frustrated and asked Massey for some sort of name and identification. Watch. You have an ID that makes me so much easier. I just drive his license will do, and now I'll get out of your hair. I want to show you all my paperwork. I what paperwork. What paperwork?

Well, just get your idea. Well, let's get your ID first, and then one task at a time. Okay. Here, grab your ID for me. Uh-huh. Okay. Your ID, one task at time. So let's do an ID, and then you can dig around for your paperwork.

I don't know where my ID is. Do you stand that stack right there, maybe? One second. Just check on her. We don't need a fire while we're here. All right. Okay. Okay.

Oh, see. Okay. Are you doing what? Huh? Where are you going on? Away from your hot steam and water. Away from a hot steam of water? Yeah.

Oh, I would repute you in the name of Jesus. I'll accuse you in a name of the same. But not. I'm sorry. I'll shoot you're your face. The family of Sonia Massey says that they were initially misled as to how she was killed. Massey's father, James Wilburn, told CBS Mornings the family was initially not told that their loved one shooting death involved law enforcement. We were under the impression that she was killed by the intruder or some other person from the street.

And they just went in there and found her dead body, Wilburn said, adding that rumors began to circulate that Massey's killing was self-inflicted. Eventually, the sheriff's department in Springfield in this county admitted that a deputy had killed Massey. The sheriff then asked the state police to conduct an independent investigation. The state police took literally just hours of watching the body camera before they were able to report back the truth. And at that point, the sheriff's department fired Sean Grayson and a local prosecutor. charged Grayson with three counts of first-degree murder, aggravated battery of the firearm, and official misconduct. Grayson has pleaded not guilty to the charges, but he's being held without bond in a local jail. In the meantime, authorities have now released over 30 minutes of

body camera footage. Most of it comes from the deputy who did not fire the shots, and that's because Sean Grayson apparently did not turn on his body camera until after he had fired the fatal shots. Civil rights attorney Benjamin Crook now represents the Massey family. He says the police shooting is one of the worst he has ever seen and that the video footage is shocking. Yeah, it is. And so a lot of times in these stories, I read the story before I watch the video because I want to get a sense of it. And then when you watch the video, you get super important details. So when I was reading the story, what I was wondering is, how close is she to the cop? So if you're standing right here, okay, you throw hot water, okay, hard to react quickly, right?

The second thing I was wondering is how threatening was she? Did it sound like, you know, I read in the story, she said, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. I'm like, yeah, that could be said in a couple of different ways and how threatening was it. The third thing I was wondering is what was the context? What was it really hostile earlier or not? Because remember, she called for help. She said, can you please help me? I think there might be an intruder. So it's not like she comes in hostile into the situation. So when you watch the video, as you just did, you see, I mean, before the shooting seemed like perfectly normal situation. They're having a conversation. She can't find her ID. Maybe both sides are a little frustrated. Maybe she didn't

like the way that, you know, that they're talking to her or they didn't like the way she was talking. But I mean, very normal. And then you see the pot of water is all the way across the room. Even if she threw it, she'd maybe get one or two drops on one of the guys. You're going to kill someone over that? No. Nobody's that big a coward, are they? that what if she throws a pot of water that she's in the middle of putting down, which I told her to go grab, she didn't go grab it, you told her to go get it. And she's in the middle of putting it, and you think, well, there's a 0.000% chance that she might not put it down, as she's doing right now,

and she might throw it at me and throw it all the way across the room and get a couple of drops on me. And so I think my life is in danger. No, no. Guys like that are dangerous. A guy like that, you can tell from the video, can't wait to shoot. And then he's bragging about the headshot afterwards. He literally prevented his partner from going outside and treating her wounds.

He, the guy eventually did. The partner throughout the tape is trying to mitigate everything. Like not in a bad way in a good way. Like, oh, okay, let me at least try to help her. And he does, I eventually try to help her. And of course, it's too late. But this guy, did you, and David, this guy apparently has been in six different police departments over the last four years. So what in the world was going on with this guy that led him here?

And that, it was one of the most unjustifiable shootings I have ever seen. Look, Jen, we have, as you know, we've done a lot of police body camera videos in Rebel HQ. And this one, this one is the worst for all the reasons you listed. But also, it underscores two things. First, we've been talking repeatedly about why isn't there a national database that identifies cops who get fired from one department or the so called bad apples so the bad apples can't end up taking somebody's life. And the other part about it is police continue to be trained in dominating a situation. If you perceive a threat, the police officers,

regardless of whether the threat is justified for some cops, it's, oh, this person looks different than me, then they must be a threat. Well, what cops perceive a threat, they are told to dominate a situation to take control. Well, you can just as easily train police on de-escalation techniques as escalation techniques. In other words, okay, maybe I perceive that this woman saying something about Jesus, maybe she's about to do something to me. I don't understand what she's saying. There are things that cops can be trained to do to say, okay, hold on a second, I don't

understand, let's lower the temperature here, let's slow down, what do you mean? Are you saying I rebuke you because you, you're saying something sarcastic about me backing away? Or are you saying I rebuke you and I'm up, I'm about to pour boiling. I mean, there are things that cops can do in the moment to pause if they are trained that way. But they're not trained that way. And that's why policing in America is still fundamentally flawed. Yeah. And so I want to build on that because I'm so frustrated.

We've been covering this now for a long time. Benjamin Crump, who's a lawyer here, was here at the Young Turks and said something really touching. He said, if it wasn't for you guys, Trayvon Martin wouldn't have gotten the national attention that he did, and we wouldn't be talking about these issues. And I appreciate that so much. And as part of the reason we cover this, it's in a sense a new civil rights movement to make sure that African Americans in this country are not abused, as they have been unfortunately for a long, long time by the authorities. Now, when we went to go fix those problems, we constantly talked about, and anybody who watches the Young Turks will remember me saying this dozens of times.

The number one problem is the police training. They train them to, as David explained there, number one, if anything's a threat, better to be judged by 12 than carried out by six. That's their big saying that they love to say, right? meaning like you don't want to be carried out by the pallbearers. So just shoot him and kill him. Who cares? Don't worry, you'll win the jury trial. Better to be judged by 12, right?

And so we teach cops all across this country, don't take any risk. Don't take any risk, just shoot, shoot, shoot. That's why Tamir Rice, 12 year old boy in a park shot dead in two seconds. We've covered endless stories where the police come in and shoot in two seconds, because they've been trained to be cowards. And then the other part of the training that is a bit, Abysmal is, if anyone disrespects you, you have to dominate them. And here, I think the actual problem wasn't the threat of the water going across the room.

I think that he was bothered that she disrespected him by saying, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. And as I've told you a million times on this show, the biggest crime in America, even though it isn't in a single law book, is disrespecting a police officer. But she took a bullet for that or took several bullets for that here, which is just above and beyond. But instead, what's the reform we got? In a bunch of states, they moved some serious felonies like domestic assault to misdemeanors. I don't remember anybody asking for that. I know I never asked for it. And it doesn't address this problem at all.

So why did we do reform that missed the target by about 100 yards? No, and now those so-called reforms are very unpopular. So when you go to say, hey, can we fix the police training? They go, oh, yeah, yeah, you guys are the defund the police. No way, man, no way. We're going to hire more cops. We're going to do this. We're going to double down.

We're going to quadruple down. No, don't double down on terrible training. I don't know why we went in that direction. The proper direction is, for God's sake, stop shooting the citizens. It's not too much to ask for. And look, we're always fair and honest. In this case, at least the department acted really quickly, which they almost never do. Usually they spend months and years doing CYA, covering the ass of the officer and the person who hired him and all of that.

But here, at least they got to justice quickly. And not only is he fired, but he's arrested as he should be. Yeah, and it's, I mean, look, it also underscores that to be an African American in the United States means that when police show, up at your door, you're literally on your hands and he's hoping and praying that this is not one of the bad racist apples that exist in police. And that's not a problem that most white people have to confront. And I think it's just, this is just yet another reminder. There is institutional racism in America and it plays out in deadly consequences, particularly when you're talking about racists who have a badge and a gun. Absolutely.

All right, I know we're over time, but we've got to do the Veepsteak story. So David, take it away. Kamala Harris has all but been coronated as the Democratic presidential nominee, which means that she needs to find a running mate and anonymous sources have told CNN there about 10 people who have been asked to submit materials for the vetting process. This has not been confirmed since it's CNN taken with a grain of salt. However, here are the 10 names that are being talked about based on the reports. Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear, North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper, Arizona Senator Mark Kelly,

Illinois Governor J.B Pritzker, Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, Minnesota Governor Tim Walts. Cooper, Bashir, and Pritzker have all addressed the speculation on air. Here's what they had to say. Well, I appreciate people talking about me, but I think the focus right now needs to be on her this week. And she needs to concentrate on making sure that she secures this nomination and gets the campaign ready to go. Would you be open to the conversation if vice president and the Harris campaign asked? So I think it's really important that we do keep the focus on her this week.

the vice presidential conversation needs to occur later. Would you then be open to the possibility of being a running mate to Vice President Harris? Well, let me first say I love my job. I love serving the people of Kentucky. The only way I would consider something other than this current job is if I believed I could further help my people and to help this country. Have you received any vetting materials from her campaign about possibly being her running mate? No. And if you do, would you be interested in the job? Look, I love being the governor of the state of Illinois, and I've been out on the campaign trail fighting hard for Democrats to win.

It's important to me that we win across the board and all across the United States. So I'm going to continue to do that, and I'm very interested in making sure that Kamala Harris becomes the next president of the United States. I got to read for you what Tim Walts from Minnesota, the governor said, which is pretty interesting. He was asked if he was in the running. And he said, I do not know that. I spoke to the vice president on Sunday shortly after the announcement by President Biden. And she just made it clear that she wants to earn the endorsement. When asked if he wants to be in the running, Walt said, look, I think anybody who wants to do that, I'd be a little nervous about. It seems a little bit surreal. Well, it may be especially surreal for two Democrats who are being talked about the most it seems in terms of the Veep Stakes. You're looking at Josh Shapiro, governor of Pennsylvania, who is an attorney general and has that similar background as Kamala Harris. And then there's also, Jack, apparently a lot of talk within the Biden-Harris circle about Mark Kelly,

Senator from Arizona, married to Gabby Giffords, former astronaut, the theory being that either one of these two could help Kamala Harris in terms of the electoral map. Thoughts? Yeah, I have some strong thoughts here. So first of all, politicians just can't help themselves. If they ask you, do you want to be vice president? The correct answer is, of course, of course you all want to be vice president. Who are you kidding? So please spare us to BS.

It's insults our intelligence, okay? And I like Tim Walts a lot. And but he's like, oh, the, you know, the ego of wanting to be VP, brother, you're a governor. That also takes some ego, okay, so, and there's no, it's perfectly logical to have a governor become the VP. So now having said all that, there's four names that I like only, and two of them have not been mentioned in any of those beach stakes, but I'm a mesh of anyway. So one is Josh Spiro. He's an interesting mix. Establishment is perfectly comfortable with him because he's a moderate Democrat, but he has a populist streak to him. And that populist streak is really interesting. So I've got a lot more homework to do on all this.

And by the way, on t.com in our Operation Hope discussion boards, there's a section called New Candidates, and that's where people are vetting all these candidates and having discussions about their upsides and downsides. You should check that out. We'll try to put a link in the description box below. So Shapiro is interesting. I think Tim Walts is interesting. And I'm sorry that I haven't mentioned him much before.

I should have been throwing that name out there because the Democratic Party, it's not exactly the Democratic Party in Minnesota, but they have a different name for it, but has done some really interesting things and actually economic populist things that we should all take note of. So Tim Walts is very interesting and I'd definitely be, we're gonna do a lot more homework on that and I'd be interested in that direction. The two that people aren't mentioning is, hey, listen, if you want a unity ticket, Bernie Sanders would bring you unity. And guys, establishment, don't panic. He's older, he's only the VP. He's not gonna run for president later, and it would certainly bring all the progressives back in.

Think about it, okay, they'll never think about it. So since they won't consider that, Jamie Raskin as a, as my compromise candidate, also unity ticket and beloved by every part of the party. The thing, the person I'm strongest against, and it has nothing new with his personality or who he is. I don't know the guy from Adam, but it's Mark Kelly, super boring, vanilla. he's he's got Tim Cain written all over him. Tim Cain at the time Virginia was a swing state. He was picked, oh, generic white guy, boring, won't do anything. It'll help marginally in a swing state.

No. That is a, in my opinion, that's a losing attitude. And that's exactly what I said when they, when Hillary Clinton picked Tim Cain, said, I'm more worried about the attitude than the pick. The VP pick doesn't matter altogether that much. But it shows you what kind of attitude. they have an aggressive one or a weak and conciliatory one. So, and Mark Kelly's also fairly well known for doing whatever donors ask him to do.

So that's two giant strikes against him in my opinion. One last thing, David, the minute that it became clear that Kamala Harris was going to get the nomination, everybody stopped talking about Reverend Warnock and West Moore. We're too obsessed with demographics. Governor Westmore in Maryland is a really, is an example, is it really, is it really, exciting young governor for the Democrats. But since he's black and Kamala Harris is black, people just stop talking about it. Don't do that. Give everybody a fair chance. I don't give a damn what their race is in either direction. So they should definitely be considering some young

successful governors like Westmore too. Well, and one thing that I would hope that Kamala Harris might at least consider, they probably won't because it's the Democratic Party, but maybe take a page out of Donald Trump's playbook in 2020 or even 2016. And that is at the convention, some of the people who are going to be in your cabinet. I mean, by the convention, we're going to know who the VP is, but I think Democrats would be super excited if you said, okay, Bernie Sanders is now going to be in charge of the Department of Labor or Treasury Secretary,

and you're going to have Wes Moore who's going to be in the cabinet. And you sort of go through and say, hear all the people that are going to surround Kamala Harris. To me, that's what gets everybody super excited, as well as, yes, for all of us who love Bernie Sanders and Jamie Raskin to envision them having the ear of Kamala Harris, not just as a member of Congress, but as a member of her cabinet, her inner circle, if you will, I think that's a way to build

up even more democratic enthusiasm without having to put them on the ticket. And if you do feel like, well, I've got to go with Josh Shapiro because I really need Pennsylvania. And I know I'm from when he was attorney general and it's sort of me, it's a good match. Great, but let's not forget there are ways you can excite Democrats beyond just the vice presidential pick. I couldn't agree more. I've been saying this for at least three cycles. Name your cabinet, People think, oh, no, that'll give the other side more targets. No, it gives you more air time. And it gets people excited.

They might figure out what Tim Walts has done in Minnesota and get super jazzed about it. And it gives people a reason to say, hey, you know what? Maybe I'm lukewarm on Kamala Harris, but, oh, Jamie Raskin is going to be in her cabinet. I love Jamie Raskin. So I think that is definitely the right way to go. But I'd be surprised because the Democrats are usually. very, very cautious. And so, and you'll know what kind of campaign Kamala Harris is going to run, and maybe even whether she could win or not, based on who she picks, because it'll tell

you her attitude towards this race. Jenk, always a pleasure being on with you. Thanks for having me. Thank you, David. Appreciate it. Everybody check out Rebel Headquarters. David Schuster is absolutely amazing there. So that's our channel, of course, on YouTube and everywhere else that we broadcast. Make sure you check that out. Now when we come back, the Republicans, now all of a sudden in a tailspin, saying crazy things again, saying things that aren't working and starting to spin out of control. Love to see it. We'll be back.