The Young Turks - Crony Leaves Congress

Episode Date: December 8, 2021

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You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. Welcome to the Young Church, Jake Eugger, John Iderlo with you guys. John with another awesome, cool bomber jacket. Look at John, look at this thing, man. Is that on shop, t-y-t.com?

I guess. When I'm not on the air, I'm just making bombers. That's what I do. I did not have anything to do with this. Actually, but the team did. Yeah, someone I'm related to does. But anyway, yes, it is on Shot 2.I. It's insane.

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Oh, no. No, we just made a Johnny Pie t-shirt finally. It'll take 20 years for the Patches T-shirt. All right, anyways, look, in today's show, we have super important stories and super hilarious stories, okay? So I think you're gonna love today's show, and I'm doing a second hour solo. Ooh, that's kicking it old school. What year is it?

I know, right? You guys are gonna like that, I think, I hope. All right, so without further ado, Mr. Patch. Like, what percentage of the audience even remembers that you did that for years? For the great majority of TiT is history, but probably a job. giant percentage of the audience has never seen it. Yeah, and they, and regardless of which part of the audience you're in, it's been a while, so it could be a disaster.

Do you even remember how? Okay, I'm going to come at some people. I'm going to come at some people, so it's going to be a disaster for somebody, that's for sure. Okay, well, if it's aggressively going out someone, I feel like you'll figure out a way. Yeah, I think that's my first thing. Okay, well, let's start off by going out through this guy. Yep. Devin Nunes has apparently accomplished everything he intended to when nearly 20 years ago he entered the Congress because he is now choosing to move on.

He said this recently. Recently, I was presented with a new opportunity to fight for the most important issues I believe in. I'm writing to let you know I've decided to pursue this opportunity and therefore I will be leaving the House of Representatives at the end of 2021, which is in like weeks. Rest assured, I have not by any means given up on our collective fight. I'll just be pursuing it through other means. I haven't given up. It's just like I got a job offer and some leaving like in like a week. Like I'm done. I know I just ran and you elected me rather than someone else who's going to stay the whole time

and actually cared about serving you. But I was looking for the way out and I found it so I'm gone. And Trump is happy about this because he's going to be working for Trump as we'll describe. Trump had this to say about it. Congressman Devin Nunes is a fighter and a leader. He will make excellency of TMTG, the Trump social media site. Devin understands that we must stop the liberal media and big tech from destroying the freedoms that make America great. America is ready for truth, social, and the end of censorship and political discrimination.

And so he's going to be the CEO for this nonsensical, already under investigation, soon to blow up social media site. And that is the ostensible reason for leaving. He's going to become the CEO of TMTG. There are other potential explanations that we'll get into, but down goes Nunes. Not really. Out goes Nunes? Yes, that's true. Okay.

So we're gonna show you a clip from mainstream news that actually did a decent job of talking about one of the reasons why Nunes might be leaving, but there's two other giant ones that I'm gonna tell you right now. Number one, he's redistricted, okay? And so after the census, at the top of each decade, they redistrict all the states. And so he's in California, and Democrats control California. They could redistrict any way that they like. And it looks like Nunes is largely Republican district, and there aren't that many of those in California, is going to get redistricted to, from what I hear, a slight majority Democratic district.

So could he win that election? He could. Could he lose that election? Yes, he could lose that election. So it was Biden plus eight, I think. Yeah, then that's not even slight. He probably would lose that election. Maybe.

So that's actually a fairly logical move, which Devin Nunez not known for. Okay, but the other side of the equation is also super important, which is that this SPAC of Trump's, this new venture that he's doing, spec is the technical term for how they're taking it public and raising money for it. It has run into some issues that you might have heard about with the SEC and they're investigating, et cetera. But what you probably haven't heard that much is because of the, and this would take a whole other story to explain, but because of the way that that is structured financially, Trump could make several billion dollars from it. And the CEO would certainly make a lot of money. So now, and remember, why are politicians

in politics in the first place? Well, 90% of them are in politics to get rich, famous, and powerful, right? So if you're the head of the House of Ways and Means Committee, That's one of the most powerful positions in all of Washington. But you do that, a lot of them do, the majority of them do, so that they could one day retire and become lobbyists and make millions of dollars. Well, a CEO at a media company worth billions of dollars is probably going to make way more than he would as a lobbyist, years later, decades later, et cetera. So he's going, you know, he's going straight to go without stopping at jail, right?

Or without stopping at the committee chairmanship. And so given that he was probably going to get redistricted out, and hence he wouldn't even be in Congress to get that powerful seat. And given that he's probably going to make a ton of money here, it makes a lot of sense. But there's two other big picture of things that I want to talk about. Sure. Okay, I have things I want to talk about after that. But yes, let's get into some of the explanations, including what you'll see in this video.

The power in being a conservative Republican today, many people think, and the former president thinks, is in the media. It's in how do you galvanize an audience? How do you lead a movement? And also, if you pull the frame back a little bit, is there, is this a breakaway moment for conservative media to just create a completely parallel audience outside of Twitter and Facebook and, you know, cable news and network news? I think what you're saying is really important here, which is that in the Republican world right now, being close to Donald Trump, carrying his water, and whichever

way is more important, you are more powerful than being chair of the tax writing and financial committee in Congress, which has enormous power with billions of dollars here. Being Trump's friend is more important. Yeah, potentially. So they're going to create this shadow media world, which I feel like they already have. I understand they're focusing more on the social aspect of it. They certainly have it in terms of news. They're not consuming anything anymore.

They're never being exposed to anything that challenges anything they already. believe. So I guess they'll have that for social media. Is it going to be like a mass market play, though, because there are limited controls on how these absolute monsters act in social media. When they have their own, they're going to, regardless of whatever they say about censorship and cancel culture, they're going to weed out any lib, any lefty who tries to post on there. So when a regular person signs on to this thing, is it just going to be blatant anti-Semitism, racism, racism, misogyny, and that sort of thing, and they hate those sorts of controls. I'm feeling it's going to be absolutely disgusting. But in addition, they've chosen

Devinanunas, and I don't even necessarily agree that individually he'll have more power, influence over the right doing this than being in Congress. But, and, you know, forget any sort of obligation to your constituents to serve out the rest of your term, even if you think you can't reelected. Or if you think you might end up losing, you leaving earlier actually gives the Democrats an additional seat earlier, which seems like that's not good from the point of view of her party. But wouldn't being the CEO of a company like this actually be a position that matters? I mean, he's been in Congress for 20 years. Is he in any way qualified to be the CEO of a major media company?

So that's a great question, John. So that's one of the things I was going to get to. So there's two other major things here. Number one, did Trump make the right decision by picking Devin Nunes for the CEO position? And the unequivocal answer is no, it was a disastrous decision, and it's a kind of decision Trump always makes. And so let me explain why. From a business perspective, there are plenty of right wingers who are actually really

good businessmen, okay? And I hate to say that, but it's true. And so if he had picked a real business person to be the CEO, this company could be worth billions upon billions and actually what it could do because of the way that it's getting finance, it could then consolidate right wing media and it could bring in the bright parts and the daily wires and the telegrams because it has so much money that it's that it can raise. And then it could become a bit of a giant and then compete with the other platforms. And I heard a podcast of right wingers in Silicon Valley salivating over this, right? Because

it was both because it serves their ideological purpose and everybody there would get rich off of it, right? And most especially Donald Trump. But instead of picking a savvy right wing business person and there are millions, Silicon Valley, not millions is a couple, but in Silicon Valley, Peter Thiel, for example, is

like right wing evil, right? Like really bad person and, but a really good business person. And in Silicon Valley, oh, he's like, God. They're like, they don't care at all how despicable a person he is. They, like Elon Musk, etc. They like,

Yes, yes. In Silicon Valley, the rest of them pretend to be liberal, but they look up to these right-wing monsters, but they are decent business people. But they're also independent thinkers, potentially. Yes, exactly, John. So Trump went with the old mob boss mentality. You don't pick the most competent, you pick the most loyal. Because Trump is going to try to take as much money out of that company and put it into

his pocket. He doesn't have to. He's such a schmuck. The way it's structured, he could actually get the money funnel to him. perfectly legally and in hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions, right? And he's already a billionaire. Right, but he can't help himself. He's a natural crook.

So instead he puts in a patsy idiot to be the CEO because what he values most is loyalty because he's going to go to Nunes and say, give me the goddamn money. And by the way, if Nunes doesn't break the law and giving him the money, he's going to be CEO for a couple of months. And then he's going to be like, oops, what did I do? right? Because Trump will demand that you ruin yourself for his benefit. Well, but then he will repay your loyalty, right? Well, ask Grimucci, ask Michael Cohen, ask all those guys.

No, no one. As Rudy Giuliani, who's now begging in the streets, right? Sidney Powell might lose their legal license too. What's Giuliani doing, cameo? He's humiliating himself like for like 50 bucks a pop. They're pretty good. They're pretty good. I bought several. One a month. I try ration it.

So, so Devin Nunes, like in five years, he's going to be out of Congress. Yeah. Maybe the company will still be around, but he'll have been thrown under the bus because of some, I don't know, cancel culture thing or like some scandal that they need a scapegoat for. Why do this? Are they all just this stupid that they really think they'll be the last person? Or does he think he's going to extract enough money beforehand to make it worthwhile? No, that goes back to the original things we were discussing in this last part of the big picture. So yeah, he's likely going to lose the race, so he's not actually losing anything, right?

So number two is if it works out, and he, of course, thinks it's going to work out, he could make a lot of money as the CEO of that company. And that is going to be very alluring to a corrupt politician. Sure. Right, that's the main reason they're in this line of work is to sell out. And this is the perfect opportunity to sell out. Now, what's going to happen in reality, I put the over under at six months and you should really take the under. Okay, like within six months, Trump is going to ask him to like put a sword through his ear or something and give, like take just like literally go and rob a bank and give it to him, right? And he's not going to be able to do it.

And then Trump's going to throw him under the bus. Five years, you're crazy. There's no way he lasts five years. You could write that down in stone. So then he's out of a job. But then how much money was he able to extract in that six months is the question. But the last part of it is really important on what they were alluding to on CNN. Look, they missed a ton of nuance in that story.

And then John Berman misdirected it by saying being Trump's friend is more important than being a politician. But the Axios reporter was onto the right track. Media is more important than politics. And so Trump's use of media is what got him elected president in the first place. Democrats don't understand the power media at all. They're used to mainstream media doing exactly what they are told, but they don't actually use messaging. They don't push out their message.

They don't understand that. The reality is for decades in this country, the most powerful man in the country easily was Roger Ailes, who ran Fox News. And he would set the agenda, and every Republican politician would follow that agenda. He even rigged the 2,000 elections so that Bush would win. You remember that story.

He put Bush's cousin as the election counter encounter at Fox News, they called it first, everybody else panicked because they didn't want to lose to Fox News. And so even though Bush had not won, it's just, so Roger, the media is massively important. And even the right wing was like Roger Ales and Murdoch had figured it out, right? But the rest of the right wing politicians were kind of slow to figure it out. The Democrats are the worst, they haven't figured it out at all, right? In terms of how to get their message out, how to do a narrative, how to set the message.

right? How to set the framing? So media is more important than politics. This is an example of that. This is almost a symbol of that. But at the end of the day, it is inconceivable that Trump will run that company in a way where it will actually be competitive with Facebook and the other platforms. Both him and his lackeys have nowhere near the competence to be able to do that. But don't get too excited, guys. The SEC's looking into it, but you know, No one ever holds Trump accountable, right? He just cries louder and louder until they go, okay, get you, fine, fine, we won't do anything. So the idea that he'll be held accountable is at a near 0%.

And the way that those specs are set up, he could extract a couple of billion dollars and then have the company do nothing and get no profits and or even any revenue in sync. And then the people who are the suckers at the table are as usual, the right wing audience that believed them and invested into that vehicle, especially the regular investors, the guys that are all over the internet that are on their subredits, et cetera, they're already ready to rush in and they're going to give all their money to Trump. He's going to take it, put it in his pocket, and then he's going to say, oh, gee, this thing was really hard, man, I had this thing figured out, but next of you know, I went bankrupt, which is what he did six different times. So you already know he's

going to do it. And he'll blame the investigators and people try to take him down. Of course, and he'll blame the left wing and he'll blame all the, and he'll blame New York. Okay? Likely, yes. Right? And the right wingers who gave them all that billions of dollars, they'll believe it in a second. And I'm like, oh, well, there's nothing we can do, I guess.

Big man took our money. And that's how this story is going to add. Yeah, we'll just see how long it takes. Want to take your first break? Yeah, sure, let's do it. When we come back, lots more drama, we are going to, there's, oh, you're going to love the admission of a right winger. Oh, he's such an in-so.

Oh, he's such a racist. But his admission today was hilarious. Okay, trust me. Come back. All right, back on TYT, Jank and John with you guys. I'm back to, during the break, I was reading some of the air, the comments. I love how smart you guys are. We're the smartest audience in the world.

We were giving credit to Little Mac for coming up with a point we hadn't thought of and wish we had. So anyways, a lot more where that came from. Let's do it, John. Okay, let's do it. Mark Meadows has a book, and he wrote it, I'm sure, hoping that it would have many fans. But he only really needed it to have one on the right. And that would be Donald Trump. And he made a mistake in some of the content in that. Of course, you already know by now that he has revealed Donald Trump's positive COVID test.

happening earlier than had previously been admitted, maybe even more fatally, he revealed the actual extent to which Donald Trump was sick when he got COVID, and as a result of that, Trump is not happy at all. And this is apparently a bit of a surprise to Mark Meadows. In the weeks leading up to the book being rolled out, he was privately telling others how much Trump would enjoy it, which I just think is hilarious. Like, maybe he'd enjoy that it exists in theory, But did he think that Donald Trump was going to like sit down, put on the readers and read his book? Does any right winger actually think that? Anyway, apparently he told an anonymous source told The Daily Beast, he thought Trump was going to love it.

Okay. And at one point, Trump was actually pretending that he did. This is back in October. He called Meadows a book a fantastic book about politics, truth, our great administration, and exciting achievements that took place in government, adding that it would make an incredible Christmas present. But if you don't believe me that he doesn't read books, well, he was promoting it until a little bit from it came out, and now he's not so happy. So let's, just in case you hadn't seen, catch you up on a few of the most interesting

claims in the book. The former top Trump staffer wrote that the president tested positive for COVID-19 shortly before his October 2020 debate with Joe Biden, and then nonetheless went ahead with an appearance on the debate stage because Trump interpreted a subsequent negative test to be correct rather than his initial positive one. He also, of course, met with Gold Star families. He apparently had close contact with about 500 people, according to what analysis I read. And Meadows and Trump kept the positive test a secret, not just from the public, but also from another number of other prominent officials and senior aides in the administration.

So right after that came out, Trump, who apparently had already read the book several months earlier, he would have you believe, called it fake news. And as a result of that, perhaps to get back to the good graces of Trump, Meadows decided to do the same thing, as you'll see here. I want to start off with the COVID story. The media is going nuts with the story. I believe the president says it's fake news. What is the story here? Well, the president is right. It's fake news. If you actually read the book, the context of it, that story outlined a false positive. literally he had had a test, had two other tests after that that showed that he didn't have COVID during the debate.

And yet, you know, the way that the media wants to spin it is certainly to be as negative about Donald Trump as they possibly can while giving Joe Biden a pass. Yeah, yeah, it's all fake. And I only put it in there, you know, to sell books. But now I'm going to back off because Trump is probably getting mad. And he totally didn't have COVID, even though he was in the hospital. you know, like a hair away from death like four days later. But anyway, despite that, this apology tour that he went on to write his own book.

According to two sources of knowledge of the matter and another person close to Trump, the ex-president has spent an inordinate amount of the past few days privately railing against Meadows, the revelation in the memoir, and of course, the extensive media coverage of the matter, apparently saying that he hates the stupid book, which, to be clear, he still has not read. Okay, so let me tell you why it happened in the order that it happens. So when someone writes a book, they usually send it out to other people to get quotes. And they'll send it out to famous people that you might recognize. If you're Mark Meadows, obviously you're going to send to Trump.

And that person is supposed to read the book and then give you a genuine quote. Now, it's very likely to be a positive quote. You have a relationship with that person. That's why you ask them for it. But they're supposed to go through at least some sort of process where they read something, let alone the whole book and then go, oh, my God, it was an amazing book. really liked it, okay? Do you think Trump did that? Of course, he didn't read the book. And he didn't write the quote either. He had some Schlepp over there, write the quote,

and send it in. So now, when it comes out, as John pointed out, of course, he still didn't read the book, and he didn't see all the positive things in the book. What is the only thing that Trump saw? The negative things that the press picked out. Because when you read Mark Meadow's book, what is news from Trump's chief of staff? That he, for 80% of the book, 90% of the book, he kisses Trump's ass. That's not news. That's what you would expect. Interesting.

Right? What's interesting is the times that he disagrees with Trump or points out something that might be damaging to Trump. So those are the ones that get big press attention. So then big child, big baby Trump sees it on Fox News. He's like, what is this? Me no likey. Me no likey.

Stupid book. Stupid. And they're like, well, Donald, you actually wrote a really nice quote about it. Who wrote that? Well, you gave it the bomb to write, right? Fire Bob, Bob's stupid. Like, Mark Stupid, okay? Me so on Fox News.

He said not good thing, okay? So, look, the guy literally can't, he can't read, he can't write. He did it, you know, have presidents do libraries afterwards, and they write these big books. Obama got like $20 million for his book or whatever. Trump put out a picture book. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. publicizing the interview we showed you last night. And so, no, that's why he's

a outrage. And that's why Meadows is a clown. If you put one sentence that Trump doesn't like in the book, he'll hate you forever. And he'll throw you under the bus. And he'll tell everybody, I'm very disappointed in my former chief of staff. Very disappointed. Okay. So you schmuck. How long did you stay with him? You still didn't figure that out? So now he's got a backpedal and call his own book fake news. Which is just hilarious. Yeah. I mean, John, I don't know if you remember this.

And I think it was Terrell Owens. But a football player wrote an autobiography. But a lot of times those are ghost writers, right? So when a reporter asked him about a quote from his book, he said he was misquoted. They're like, but you wrote the book. So you misquoted yourself? And he's like, yep. So that's what this is Mark Meadows, the book, the book,

I wrote fake news. Guys, I understand the nuance he's trying to do in that clip saying, I'm not the fake news. The way that the book has been reported is fake news, no, it's in the book. Yeah, and why is that whole thing in the book at all? To sell the book, because that's interesting and that's news. And he knows exactly what it reveals about Donald Trump, but the whole thing is so fake from top to bottom. Trump didn't read it, as you point out, he has someone else write a positive thing.

That toadie doesn't even bother to look through. the book either, because that toady and Trump and Meadows rightly understand that no one is reading these books. Some reporter or an intern at NBC is going to have to look through it to see if there's anything newsworthy. Right-wing think tanks will buy up 30,000 copies, so it's a bestseller. They hand it out to people who don't actually read it. No one really reads it. Mark Meadows might not have written it. Like he's marginally more likely than some random athlete, I guess, to have been involved in the process, but do we believe he sat down at a keyboard for a year and really typed out the whole thing?

It's just so fake. I hate everything about other than yours, political books that are written because they don't actually care. You've seen, it's been destroying him for years. He's really writing his. And when you said it to me, I'll really read it before I give you a quote. Yeah, but I'll tell you, look, I'm going to disagree though a little bit because I really want to defend books from the left and not because I'm writing one.

Justice's Comingbook.com. pre-order. Okay, look, some of Sarota's books are great. Ryan Grimm's book, we got people is great. That's true, yeah. By the way, Tom Hartman writes tons of good books. Tom Hartman is. I've had him on like five times on my show. Me too, me too. You should read Tom Hartman's books. They're incredibly educational. We got people, by the way, by the Ryan Grimm is at shop t-y-t.com, but it's not just the plugs. In all seriousness, Thomas Frank, by the way, wrote a great book. What's the matter with Kansas? It was a critique of the Republican Party. Then he wrote a brilliant book that was a critique of the Democratic Party. Then I had him on the show. I said,

You know, Tommy used to be on MSNBC and cable news all the time, what happened? He's like, when I wrote the book against the Democratic Party, they immediately stopped inviting me on television. So that's a super interesting. And so there's some great left-wing books you never got to read because the press basically. And it almost de facto censors it, right? And so now, but back to the right wing, the entire right-wing book thing is a scam. I believe that some of Bill O'Reilly's books were actually read by real people. He's a big audience and he writes very simplistically, which I don't mind at all.

Hey, to each his own, right? He's like, who killed JFK? Obviously the lizard, people are like, oh, they're farming through that thing and they like it, right? And so, but every other book they write is total horse crap. No one reads it. Those giant think tanks funded by billionaires put it on, by enough in bulk to put it on the best seller list so that it gets extra hype so that other people, so that the media will talk about it and it will influence the national conversation.

So, right, like, and it gives them the title. They get to say when they go on the news, they're not just random blowhard, their New York Times bestselling author. They'll keep it in their Twitter bio for the rest of their life, even if they never write anything else. It buys them supposed credibility. Yeah, and what it does, guys, is it, number one, it makes the right wing guy look more credible, so it makes the press more likely to quote them.

I mean, that is Mark Meadows, New York Times best sell. We got to quote that guy, right? So that allows them to push their message and their propaganda more. And it makes the media take it more, the message in the book more seriously. Oh, well, I mean, he said, yeah, we should give tax cuts for the rich. And it's a New York Times best seller. Americans love tax cuts for the rich. And the media actually wants to say that BS.

It gives them an excuse to say. Now, how do we know for sure? And a great example just happened. Chris Christie put out his book, but apparently didn't have enough juice in the in the billionaire circles and the think tanks, et cetera, and it certainly didn't have enough juice in the Trump circles because he's now criticizing Trump, and it's sold like three copies.

And it was humiliating. And Chris Christie is one of the biggest Republican politicians in the country. So when they don't cheat, no one reads their books. No one. And so other than the interns at NBC and watch their post to pick it apart like this. And so that's why now they got this fight. But Meadows, can you recover? Well, he's got to spend the next six months kissing Trump's ass on the right, on the left, in the middle.

He's got to do whatever he's got to do and go out on television anywhere where Trump might be watching and humiliate himself over and over again. I'm fake news. I'm the worst. Maybe he'll bring those Opus Day things, be like, you know. Flog himself? Flog himself, like, oh, I'm so sorry. And his mantra is like, oh, I'm sorry, Trump, I'm sorry Trump, I'm sorry Trump. And so you're going to see that a couple more times in the news before Trump then says, okay, maybe I forgive you, you know, a little bit later, okay?

So that's what you're seeing right now. What a sad existence. Oh, God. Okay. You want to move on? Oh, I'll say one super last thing about that. The reason why there's a little bit of truth in that book and the damaging stuff is because the publisher is like, dude, we've got to sell this book, okay?

So you have to give me at least two to three things that are true because the rest of it is obvious nonsense. Oh, Trump's a hero or whatever. He's like, okay, right. That'll help sell it to Trump fans, right? And to the think tanks, right? But give me a couple of things that will get in the news so that they'll get a lot of publicity. Yeah. And so that's the, left his own devices, he wouldn't have put anything true in the book. More interesting. Yes, exactly. Like, try to imagine a right winger, like sitting down in a nice, nice comfy chair and reading Mark Meadows' book. You can't do it. It's impossible. Who would do that? Anyway, you want to mix it up a little bit, have a little bit of fun.

Okay, let's do this. If you're familiar with Nick Fuentes, you probably already know that he's a white supremacist and anti-semi, a misogynist. He's actually on the no-fly list, a lot of bad stuff. You might think that there is nothing big still to be revealed, but in a recent appearance on a right-wing podcast on The Blaze, they found one more thing. Take a look at this. You also promote, like, the way of interacting with women, and I go, have you been in a relationship? with a woman? No. So how are you telling other people how to behave towards women, will you yourself have not had any actual physical, you know, interaction with them in a romantic

capacity? Or, in fact, in any capacity, if you are looking to some other regimes around the world that do think that women are half the value of a man, I have to question what kind of a person who's had no experience with women is in a position to, to, you know, basically promote these ideas. Well, I'm having an experience with a woman right now. And I've had lots of experiences with women in my life, not romantically per se, but I've talked to enough women. I've been, you know, I've known enough women to know sort of what's going on. Just laugh through, buddy. So no relationships of any kind.

Good fault questions from Sidney Watson, the host there. The second I saw this video, I thought, Jank is going to get a kick out of this. Yeah, so I have indeed. First of all, let's just have fun, okay? We, how many times did we tell you? These are all like these insult clowns, these right wings, anti-Semitic racist clowns. They can't get laid. That's the number one source of their frustration.

And when I say that, they're going to be even more mad. But guys, you're not like, you think you're so special and you have some special problem. No, we all couldn't get laid when we were younger. But we didn't go weirdo and be like, oh, God, did I hate black people? Women shouldn't have rights. No, that's not the solution to your problem. You're not helping yourself, by the way. Yes, that's not going to help at all.

Okay, it's not, but my favorite part was like, have you ever been in relation with a woman? No. Indeed, indeed. Well, do you give him credit for admitting it so readily? That's interesting. He could have just lied. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. He probably didn't think to lie.

Like he, you know what I'm saying? And I don't know if he's told his other insult fascist buddies that he couldn't get laid. And they were like, oh, hi-five, I couldn't either, right? And et cetera. Maybe it's already been out there something. Yeah, and guys, it's not like we're the paragon's of masculinity and we're talking down to them like, oh, let me tell you guys something about women, okay? Kind of.

No, but what we're saying is you schmucks, being hateful towards women does not help your cause, right? And so it definitely hurts your cause. And looking like a clown going out there, like, you know, the real why I can't get laid, the Jews. Yeah, that's not going to help. If you say so, brother, if you say so. Yeah, and there is, as I said on the show this morning, there's absolutely nothing wrong with not having relationship experience, either because you're not interested in it or because you haven't been able to. But you also shouldn't then use that as like the launching off point for a nationwide campaign of saying that women literally shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Okay, that makes you the bad guy. Not having a relationship doesn't make you a bad guy. You might get empathy if that's something that you want. But when you're openly anti-Semitic, as he was in that. By the way, I watched a good portion of that interview, just openly anti-Semitic, not just misogynistic and all that, but also anti-Semitic. And you saw him there, he was talking about, well, we'll get to a little bit more on the Taliban, but why don't we move to sort of a follow-up about how supposedly alpha he is if he wanted

to be in terms of relationships? We could go back to people that have been in relationships. Like a perfect example is like the pickup artists. You know, have you ever noticed a pickup artist who have the most relationships with women and the most sex, they, what they say is that really with women, it's the same bag of tricks to seduce a woman or whatever. And I think that kind of tells you something about the nature of women, that, you know, you go from woman to woman.

And it's the same kind of like little tricks, little things you could say or whatever to kind of hack them and whatever. And I think that kind of says it all about their nature. So, you know, what does it say about our nature, Nick? Well, it says that, you know, they're not fully rational. I don't believe that like men, they possess a sort of full rationality. I think that... Rationality towards what, specifically?

Rationality entirely sort of objective. Yeah, I don't think they're capable of that. I think that, you know, a male has a real impersonal sense of rationality and reason. I think that a female sense is far more personal. And that derives from the fact that women are made to bear children. Jesus. Okay, so if he wanted to, super simple, every woman can... be seduced in the same way, whereas obviously we all know every man is a different puzzle

interlocking pieces. You can never figure out one or two easy ways to get a guy interested in you. It's so stupid. I don't know, Nick, maybe I'm biased by the fact that I've been involved in actual relationships and think that women are actually different and complex in the same way that guys are. But what would I know? I'm only married. I mean, so I.

He doesn't, she's not fully rational. He's fully rational, even though he doesn't understand that not only she is thinking about how little interest you would ever have in a guy like him, but literally any woman stupid enough to be watching this podcast is thinking, I never want to be anywhere near this guy or anyone who believes the things that he does. But he thinks he's nailing it. He's got that creepy grin on his face the entire time, and it might start to remind you of the Joker from the movie The Joker. And it reminded him of it, too, because he refers to himself as The Joker from that movie The Joker in that interview. He thought that was an aspirational thing to be. He's looking for a vat of acid to fall into.

Okay, so guys, I mean, there's so many hilarious things here. So first off, he's like, women are easily hacked. You could seduce them really easy. Then why haven't you? Prove it. No, no, no. But it's an actual literal question. Why haven't you?

If it's so easy, are you not interested? And I'm okay with that. Everybody's okay with that. But I would imagine that his own followers would ask him, hey, Nick, if it's so easy to trick these simple-minded women, are you not interested? Or can you not even manage to do the bare minimum to hack into these simple women's minds? Right?

So because you haven't, that's empirical. You said it, right? That's an interesting question as to why apparently he's chosen not to do it, right? If you believe anything, he's saying, of course we don't believe that. He can't do it if his life depended on it. He went to this life of misery and failure after he probably tried to talk to women and was humiliated over and over again. And he couldn't manage it if his life depended on it. John made probably the best point, though, like, oh, guys are really complicated.

Like, show us one attractive woman. We're like, boy, it's so hard to hack into a guy's mind. Oh, God, she's cracked my code. No. And he's like, now, look, you have to understand that the women are not rational. That's why I know the Jews are on everything. Oh, that seems really rational. And, you know, he's appealing to, like, to the worst nature of people in America.

And so there's the old anti-Semitic tropes about, oh, the Jews controlled the media. Like, oh, I'm not successful in media. That's because the Jews control the media. I don't have a lot of money. That's because the Jews control the money, right? I'm not good at bagels, that's because the Jews make the bagels, right? And is that serious? I'm kidding around, Ben and I joke about it.

Okay, so in this case, though, he goes one extra step beyond our joke about the bagels, right? He's like, oh, yeah, look, I'd be great with women, but the Jews control the women. You're the rational one. Yeah. The Jews controlled it. I mean, I don't know how much is insane 80s, how deep it runs, right? And so, by the way, don't give the Blaze credit. So we're showing you a pushback she had on one question and like a tiny bit of an eye roll and another question.

But she didn't actually in the podcast say anything against that comment. And I have more because Kate listened to almost the whole thing. Oh, yeah. No, much of my commentary this morning was trying to get through to her about how little interest literally any guy in her movement has in her or her contributions. Because she's trying over and over to get through to this guy and convince him, like, I'm for men's rights and all that. Like, why do you have to push women to the corner? And he just, he pushes her into the corner.

And all of the other guys in the room push her into the corner. And I just, I don't understand it. The reason that I wanted to make sure that we talked about this, though, was he is the most explicit in these things. He literally says, I wish we lived under the Taliban for women in terms of rights. He thinks Saudi Arabia was a little bit too brutal. But the Taliban in Afghanistan, that's good. Women shouldn't be allowed to vote.

He went off about how Seth Rogan and Sarah Silverman made a special that's so Jewish. It bothered him. He didn't like it. So he's lost his mind. So he's more explicit about it. But how much of a gap is there on these questions between him and Tucker Carlson at this point? You sit them down to have a conversation about immigration. How much do you think they're really going to disagree?

Tucker Carlson has done multiple full shows about how it's literally embarrassing to the country that we have pregnant female soldiers. He'll go off to the same in-cell audience that Nick Fuentes done. Now, Nick Fuentes is openly a white supremacist, so he's on the fringe. But Tucker Carlson is on Fox News, he's considered more reputable. They're appealing to the same interests. They understand the same people. And so I want to make clear to people that while he's a little bit more obvious about

it, I think that Tucker Carlson in the same way that he's integrated lessons from people like Alex Jones, I think he gets all of these more fringe people, and he's just putting it on prime time. No, what Tucker's doing is he's harvesting from white supremacist and conspiracy theorists, and then taking tiny bit of the edge off and putting it on TV, right? They say, oh, these brown people are going to replace us white people, and Tucker says the immigrants are going to replace us, and he takes out the brown on the white, but it's the same exact thought.

Same message, yeah. We just, we broke down recently how he's taking the same exact Alex Jones message on conspiracy theories about false flags, and he's just taking a shade off of it on the edges, right? So, and on the Taliban message that Fuentes has, this white supremacist, Taliban's not so bad. We showed you a segment where Tucker did almost the same exact thing. He's like, he talked about how the Taliban were at least still manly, right? And they didn't believe in toxic masculinity. And so did it a segment praising the Taliban to no end.

So it is the same exact idea. Yeah. So, and by the way, the blaze, it's just the whole, the thing was despicable. So they let him run on and on about how women are insufferable and. Nagy, shrill. Yeah. And by the way, it's not just women. He thinks not only should women not be allowed to work, but retail workers should not be allowed to vote.

To vote, okay. Why? Like what? Because you're so more, you're so much more brilliant than someone who works at Walmart or at the gap. You're one of the dumbest people in the country. And you're sitting there insulting all those Americans. All the retail workers are too stupid to vote. You insufferable. It's disgusting. It's, I mean, you want to talk about it. All right. And then, and then he also said non-property owners should not be allowed to vote because, because, you know, you're, you know, you're not rich enough. And so that's apparently the standard. And he said, I'm the source. of real inheritor to the legacy of the great geniuses and philosophers. If you say so, you're also the great ladies man who's never had a lady. So you have a lot of credibility there.

And finally, like, I just want to give you a sense of the host, too. Elijah Schaefer, who you didn't see in those clips, was also part of the podcast for the blaze. And he said, quote, people are very ugly today. Women have gotten very fat and they've lost a lot of their attractiveness. So they're not, most of that podcast was not. disagreeing with him. It was agreeing with him. So the blaze brings on a white supremacist, and outside of one little tiny thing, they're like, atta boy, tell us about a stupid women are and how the poor are the worst and people who work in retailers, scum. By the way, they're the

populace. Yep. Populous, yeah. I don't give a damn about the average American. Yeah, she was regularly pushing back against the anti-woman stuff, not generally the other stuff. The other two guy hosts were totally on it. Both of them, Tavarian degrees, were against voting. One guy was even more radical. He felt that literally almost nobody should be able to vote. Nick, when Nick Fuentes is like, we should have right wing authoritarianism, the guys were totally on. And they all piled on the woman in terms of the woman stuff. And by the way, she seems, she comes off as pretty reasonable there. She's also like a rabid transphobe. And she, she made news today for congratulating Kyle Rittenhouse on that program for killing those people. And even

Kyle Rittenhouse said that's nothing to congratulate someone for. Yeah, but she felt it was. She's the best of the lot and she thought it was awesome that Rittenhouse killed people, right? She went she went farther than Rittenhouse on vigilante violence. Yeah, and look, the only reason she pushed back a tiny bit on women's issues is because she's a woman. And so the conservative mind, the conservative mind only cares about itself, doesn't care about anything outside of itself. So that's why the other guys are like, I'm not a woman, I hate women. So God, boy, Nick, right? And she's like, me, woman, me not like that part. Let's go attack all the others. Let's attack the Muslims, blacks, et cetera.

Who did you kill? Let's talk about the good fun stuff, because that doesn't have to do with me, so I don't mind at all. And at the end, they asked about Trump and what if he grabbed power illegally, right? And Frances said he'd love it. Yeah, that's honest. And if Trump became a dictator, he would be happy. So what do you see on Tucker Carlson and all those folks? We're not a democracy, we're a republic. And really do we need, if democracy is leading to the wrong results, isn't Judeo-Christian Western civilization more important than democracy?

That talk is now rampant along with, hey, maybe Second Amendment rights and we take down government tyranny. And Flynn is talking about martial law and military rule. So what you're seeing out of these fascist, white supremacists is very much getting mainstreamed by Tucker Carlson, Fox News, and it has taken hold in the Republican voters' minds. And now a huge percentage of Republicans, 40% say it might be time for violence in one poll. And others are now giant chunks, around a third, are saying, democracy, do we really need it? So it goes from Fuentes, through the blaze, through Fox News, all the way into a substantial portion of the Republican voters.

And this is exactly how fascists take hold. Second break? Yeah, we've got to take a break. We'll come right back. We have more amazing stories for you guys, including insurrectionist Karen. You're going to love that video. We'll be back. All right, back on T.O.T.

Oh, by the way, it's Noam Chomsky's 93rd birthday. So, happy birthday, Professor Chomsky. Also, Nina Turner's birthday. Is that right? Happy birthday, Senator Newser? Oh, I forgot. And the same birthday? That's amazing.

I know. The most bizarre thing. And several members of our audience. So, yes. Oh, that's awesome. Okay. What a progressive day. What a wonderful day.

It's a crazy progressive day. Go back by plugging in our own books and stuff. Go back and read. manufacturing consent. The guy had her figured out decades ago. It's exactly as he wrote it and you're seeing it with your own eyes now. Yeah, 100%. Absolutely brilliant. All right, John. Okay, let's have a little bit of what passes for fun in modern America with this video. Okay, so here's the deal. I am going to prison in three weeks at the first weekend, January. I have to report to prison. And the only thing that I can see that's good about having to go to

prison is that I'm going to be able to work out a lot and do a lot of yoga and detox. I appreciate the positivity. That was Jenna Ryan, admittedly finding the one positive. That's realistic. Jenna Ryan is the insurrectionist who is now making plans for prison and using it as an opportunity for some personal influencing, I guess. If you don't remember her, she had previously stood out from the pack of insurrectionists with this tweet from March 26 of this year saying definitely not going to jail.

Sorry, I have blonde hair, white skin, a great job, a great future, and I'm not going to jail. Sorry to rain on your hater parade. I did nothing wrong. Well, she is going to jail. All the stuff with the hair and skin, totally true. We fact checked it. But despite that, she is going to jail. And now she believes she's going to get to do a little bit of yoga, maybe lose a little bit of weight, focus on herself.

Wellness is important during the pandemic, you know? Yeah, so I like how she went from. There's no way I'm going to jail to. Don't worry about it. I'm going to do some good yoga in jail. So it's all good, right? And this video reeks of entitlement through and through even as she's going to jail. But I'm amused by insurrectionist Karen because she feels like she's discovered.

things for the first time like so in this case she's like did you know that you could actually get a good workout in it in jail yeah yeah everybody knows a lot of people work out yeah yeah did you know they have communal showers yeah Karen Karen we know all those things you know every prison movie where they're working out because that's the only thing they have left to do okay yeah yeah and Look, maybe this will be a period of growth, not just in terms of like flexibility or squat strength or whatever, but of respect for the rights of prisoners that, you know, just because they have transgressed and are being punished for it, that they shouldn't be treated like animals. She's now looking forward to yoga classes and healthy food and shakes and stuff like that. Okay, well, when you leave jail, could you bring that back to your community, please?

because we can actually treat these people like people. They still do deserve rights, but we'll see if any of that lasts. Anyway, we do have a little bit more of her plans for prison. Let's take a look. Also, I can't eat because the food is awful, and there's just no food. So hopefully they have like some protein shakes and some protein bars, I think, because you don't want to eat like green bologna. That's what they have to eat.

So I'm going to end up losing weight in prison. Everyone's telling me that I'll lose weight. So hopefully I'll finally get down to my ideal weight because I won't be able to drink. I won't be able to eat. I won't be able to eat like stupid stuff like chips and all the stuff I eat sometimes. So I just wanted to go ahead. Don't look at my toes because I'm too freaked out to have a pedicure lately. But this is how much I wait today.

And I'm thinking that I can get down to, you know, 140, so 30 pounds in two months. If I do that, then it will be worth going to prison for 60 days. It'll be worth it? Like what? The ticket price? What do you mean it'll be worth it? You have to go to prison. You're being ordered to go to prison.

Look, if you want to get some silver lining out of it, great. I think that that's great. I think the whole making it a video for followers is super weird. Like, people talk about how, like, young kids are being brought up and everyone wants to be an influencer and they're all being corrupted by social media. But that is a full grown woman who apparently thinks everything is a joke. Everything is for a vlog or whatever. I don't know. Yeah.

Like, what do you think of her finding the silver lining? Yeah, the first thing I thought is she's going to a rich person's jail. Maybe. Yeah. She is rich? Yeah. If she was, yeah, remember she took the private jet to the insurrection. I mean, you want to talk about insurrectionist care.

She's a Texas real estate agent. Yeah. Yeah. Now, if she was going to Rikers, she wouldn't be like, oh my God, I'm sorry, I didn't get a pedicure, but I hope the guys that the people at Rikers don't mind, right? Like, she'd be a little nervous, right? It's like she's probably going, it's the rich people prison is like a retreat. And I'm not just saying that, like flippantly, Tommy Chung has been on the show,

friend of the show, Tommy went to prison totally unjustly, when the federal government targeted him because they wanted to make an example of him because he likes marijuana, but they didn't have any evidence on him. Anyway, he winds up going to prison to save his son and he was actually in the same cell as the Wolf of Wall Street. And so they're actually really good friends.

And so it's the weirdest pairing ever. I know, totally, right? And I said, Tommy, how was it in prison? He's like, oh, no, I went to Rich Man's prison. It was great. We played tennis. We had the time of our lives. I want to go to prison.

I want to drop a few pounds and play some tennis. I know, right? No stress. Jill Pike and I talked about it on Young Turks like 15 years ago. Like Ben was saying, oh, you guys are ridiculous. We're like, if you go to Rich Man's prison, though, it's kind of like a relief, right? You don't have to worry about work. Like rehab or something. Yeah, I get to read finally.

So anyways, that's what she's doing. Get to catch up on your reading. Yeah, maybe I can finish my book. Like a rock climbing wall. Ooh. To the point of one of our members made, maybe I could finish my book before George Martin finishes his, justice is coming book.com, you could pre-order. All right, anyway, but look at her sense of entitlement.

I hear the food is awful. I hope they have protein bars. Like, I need some protein bars. And I'm going to do some yoga and I don't get to drink. I'm going to miss the Chardonnay. Okay. And I'm going to prison, so I didn't do a manny-petti. So don't look at my toes.

Don't look at my toes, okay. She was part of a riot where they were chanting, hang Mike Pence. hang Mike Pence. And I'm not saying she did it, although she obviously did things bad enough to go to prison, right? But there were people in that crowd that were looking to murder the vice president and Nancy Pelosi. And she's like, oh my God, I didn't get a petty before going to prison. And by the way, she does this if like three people watch, I guess she wouldn't do it anymore.

She probably has right wing fans. Yes, it's possible. Yeah, and by the way, you're being super fair by saying we don't know that she did it, which is true, we don't. But it happened, lots of terrible stuff happened, and does she strike you as a person who has spent the time from the end of the riot to now distancing herself from all of that and saying, I just wanted to have my voice be heard, but oh my God, there was so much violence and those people were awful. No, she's aloof. She's floating above it all. She doesn't appear to regret anything. Yeah, that's a great point. And I want to be clear, she was definitely part of the riot. That's why she got convicted and she's going to jail, right? The question I don't know is, does she chant hanging like pens? Did she beat a cop?

Yeah, I have no idea. But John's point is excellent because think about it, guys, if you went to a left-wing protest or I went to a left-wing protest and madness broke out, and some portion of the protest had a noose and gallows and started chanting Hank Kamala Harris, hang Kamala Harris. We'd be like, oh, my God, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, right? And we're like, oh my God, we were not part of that's mental, mental, right? She knows all that now. And she's like, but my God, we had such a fun riot.

Had Chardonnay afterwards, can't have it in prison, though, okay? Like, she thinks it's like the most normal thing in the world. Or we were going to murder politicians, maybe it wasn't me, but it was Bob next to me. Yeah. And so now I'm going to do yoga in prison. The entitlement is unbelievable. The callousness is unbelievable. And the most important thing, though, is the implicit consent to violence is the, is the

worst part, right? Because, oh, we were going to go kill people, what's the big deal? Sure. No, that's a giant deal. That's a terrible deal. Yeah, it's just, it's everything, everything's a joke. I look forward to her jailhouse podcast, no rehabilitation, just vibes. Yeah.

All right, we're out of time in the first half. Second hour, I'm doing solo, so that should be fun of it's old school way of doing it. I'm going to rip into a politician. You will enjoy that. And then we got another example of Steve Bannon's extreme racism. So a lot more in the second hour. We'll be right back. Thanks for listening to the full episode of the Young Turks.

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