The Young Turks - Cults & Corruption

Episode Date: October 7, 2023

Hillary Clinton: MAGA "cult members" need "deprogramming." Morning Joe sounds alarm on an "unbelievable" poll showing voters trusting Trump over Biden on key issues: "Big warning signs." "This is going to f*ck Trump": RFK Jr. campaign insider says Independent run will help Biden. During an online fundraiser, Matt Gaetz denounced the Biden impeachment effort as unserious. Greg Gutfeld calls for a civil war because "elections don’t work" in a bizarre rant. HOSTS: Cenk Uygur (@CenkUygur), Michael Shure (@michaelshure) and Trae Crowder (@Traecrowder) SUBSCRIBE on YOUTUBE: ☞ https://www.youtube.com/user/theyoungturks FACEBOOK: ☞ https://www.facebook.com/theyoungturks TWITTER: ☞ https://www.twitter.com/theyoungturks INSTAGRAM: ☞ https://www.instagram.com/theyoungturks TIKTOK: ☞ https://www.tiktok.com/@theyoungturks 👕 Merch: https://shoptyt.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. Woo! Thank you, Friday! Drop it like it, 3x5D, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd,000, Drop it like it's Biden's

Biden's poll numbers. All right, power power panel, Jane Cougar, Michael Scherer is with us. Hey, Trey, how are you doing? Hey, I'm good, thanks for having me, glad to be back. No problem, happy to have you. We are going to talk about those aforementioned dropping Biden poll numbers in a minute. So everybody hang in there for that. And there's plenty of fire in this show, there's no question about that.

But speaking of which, we go to Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, an old flame, if you will. Michael, take it away. So many of those extremists, those mega extremists, take their marching orders from Donald Trump, who has no credibility left by any measure. He's only in it for himself. He's now defending himself in civil actions and criminal actions. And when do they break with him? You know, because at some point, you know, maybe there needs to be a formal deprogramming of the cult members.

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, as we said, was calling for the deprogramming of Trump's Maga base. But is that possible? Can it be done? And what plan does she have in mind to make it happen? Well, her strategy was not detail filled in a conversation she had with Christian Amunpur of CNN. And it involves a man who, as we sit here, and as Jank teased a little bit at the top of the show, is not beating Trump right now, at least according to some of the polls we've seen. Here we go. You said you have to defeat them by defeating their leader.

Their leader is Donald Trump. Even you have said that you expect him to be the Republican nominee. How does this change at all? At this point, I think sadly he will still let me be the nominee and we have to defeat him. And we have to defeat those who are the election deniers, as we did in 2020 and 2022. And we have to, you know, just be smarter about how we are trying to empower the right people inside the Republican Party. So it is like a cult. And somebody has to break that momentum. And that's why I believe Joe Biden will defeat him.

And hopefully then that will be the end. And the fever will break. And then Republicans can try to get back to. you know, fighting about issues among themselves and electing people who are at least, you know, responsible and accountable. The question remains, though, whether the former secretary understands what motivates these voters, these MAGA voters. And I'll leave that to you, I guess, to decide. Here is a little more from Hillary Clinton.

The base of the Republican Party for whatever combination of reasons, and it is emotional and psychological, sees in him someone who speaks for them. And they are determined that they will continue to vote for him, attend his rallies, where his merchandise. Because for whatever reason, he and his very negative, nasty form of politics resonates with them. Maybe they don't like migrants. Maybe they don't like gay people or black people or the woman who got the promotion at work they didn't get. Whatever the reason, you know, make America great again was a bid for nostalgia to return to a place where, you know, people could be in charge of their lives, feel empowered, say what they want, insult whoever came in their way. And that was really

attractive. And so, you know, you hear how Clinton sums it up. And she sums it up by talking about the negative parts of the people that support MAGA, the racism, the bigotry, the sexism, the anti-migrant part. But there are also lots of, you know, real racists out there who don't get the support that Trump gets. It's a bigger umbrella that he thinks that he has over these people. And he actually responded to this. He heard this, apparently, he saw the interview, he responded to it. And then, you know, Trump and his people, his MAGA people, sent out an email blast today saying essentially this. President Trump has said countless times that they're only coming after him because he stands in their way from coming after you.

And Hillary Clinton just confirmed that to be true. Tens of millions of Americans will reject the Democrat Party's reeducation camp agenda in November of 2024 when we make Donald Trump. Trump, the 47th president of the United States, that's Caroline Levin, a spokesman for Make America Great Again, Incorporated. So you do, Jank, see the Trump people jumping on this, because when Hillary Clinton said things like deplorables in 2015 and 2016, they jumped on that to great success. She's not the candidate, but do you think it's important? Yeah, so So look, I feel that this is 50-50 again, just like the deplorable's comment. I think it's complicated and nuanced.

In a minute, we're going to show you a video where Trump supporters basically answered this question that Michael was talking to them at a campaign event, and they actually talked about whether they're in a cult. We're going to get to that. But so I thought, oh, Long and I even wrote it in my book, Justice's coming, that the deplorable comment was half right. So half of Trump's guys are deplorables. Thank you, Michael. I appreciate that. Take a shot of Michael. So, yeah, there you go. Nice plug there. T.Y.T.com justice. Okay, seriously. So, yeah, there are there some folks that are feel displaced.

They're rightful places at the top. And now it's not at the top. Now they have to be equal to everyone. and that really bothers them. Is it conscious for most of them? No, I don't, probably even for the deplorable half. It's not conscious for most of them. It's mostly they have this uneasy feeling about how America is not the same anymore. And it doesn't look the same. Their neighborhood doesn't look the same.

And they can't say the same things, et cetera. But the other half is the half that Hillary Clinton never dresses. So here, she makes the same exact mistake, but then add in a disastrous cherry on top. So she thinks, look, it's partly emotional, psychological for these folks. Okay, yeah, I think it is for some of them. But for a lot of them, they just hate the establishment. And Donald Trump was the first mega star in politics to come along and give a middle finger to the establishment. And that quarter of the country, half of the Republicans, went nuts.

They've been waiting for that for so long. and hence it made them feel like he was being he was the only one that was honest and now that's of course the most ironic thing in the world because he's a legendary con man and a pathological liar but he finally said something honest that no other politician says that's why by the way Bernie was popular because he said something similar but he doesn't say it as harshly and that's why progressives in Congress drive me crazy the way that they are so damn polite to the establishment when in reality, if you had one progressive say the anti-establishment things that Trump says, they'd run away with this thing, right?

And so you don't need the racism, you don't need any of that stuff. So again, I think Hillary Clinton's half right, but half wrong. And when she says things like, the fever will break. No, come on, come on, that's preposterous, same thing. Biden says they're not getting it because they think, oh, the establishment is definitely right. And the great majority of the country totally agrees, we're just going through a temporary fever. And once we're done with the fever, then everybody will go back to the status quo being great. All my friends in the cocktail circuit think it's great, I don't understand, right?

And so, and then she says the, you know, the re-education thing, which she didn't quite say it like that. But you don't know enough about Republican politics to know that they're going to run with that like crazy. and they're going to pretend you're going to set up actual re-education camps, et cetera. So I wouldn't have started that fire. We'll get into that debate in a second, too. But before we go to that debate and we go to the Trump supporters countering, let me go to Trey and get his initial thoughts on this. Yeah, I agree with most of what you guys are saying.

First of all, the whole thing about how, like, you know, there's a bunch of racists. They don't have to support Trump does. I've always said that, like, I think the racism and bigotry is kind of just the icing on the F-U cake that he baked for these people to hurl in the face of the establishment or the elitist left as they perceive it. So like there's definitely a lot more to it going on. And like you said, she had to know, I mean, she literally had to know what the response to this would be. But it's kind of like back when she made the deplorables comment, and now, you know, I see it and part of me,

he's like, I mean, you know, I hear your sister, I remember you're coming from, but like, this is really going to rile them up. You know what I mean? Like the only thing that could rile them up more than this would be like if Barack Obama called him a bunch of stupid trailer trash or something. It's all right. I'm allowed to say it. But like, there's very few things that could get them more hot and bothered than Hillary making these kind of statements. It's giving them bullets and board material, you know, in the Trump campaign feeding right into, you know, exactly what they thrive on, which is feeling very, very strongly that, you know, the establishment, the left, that they look down their nose at them, think they're inherently better than them and, you know,

have no place for them in American society. So yeah, they're going to take that ball and run with it. But at the same time, you know, I mean, she ain't entirely wrong, in my opinion. Well, first of all, I think it's great that Clay has that Clay County, Tennessee background, because without it, you wouldn't know that he was from Clay County, Tennessee. So that's super helpful. You know, one of the things that Hillary Clinton did in 2015, 2016, with deplorables, was that it was right and it was politically just tone deaf and stupid to have said it. And that bore out.

And I think that's what Trey is saying as well. And I think in this case, it's the same thing to a degree, but it doesn't matter because she's not the nominee. And the people that don't like Hillary Clinton that are Donald Trump supporters are not going to be moved, but they're already motivated by Hillary Clinton in the recesses of their minds. I don't think this is that big a deal. And I do think that there is an agreement that once Trump is off the stage, and I think that was the context of what you were saying. Maybe I'm wrong. But once Trump is off the stage, that the fever pitch will will lower. I think that once he is not part of it, the cult of personality.

And that's what I think this is to a degree. And I think a lot of politics is a cult of personality. I think that's what happens. But I think that once he is gone, I've talked about this before. I think with you, Jank, where I think it's like, you know, people who come out to watch Donald Trump are like people who watch a golf tournament when Tiger Woods is playing. If Tiger Woods isn't playing, there are a lot of people who aren't watching golf. I think a lot of these people who came because of Donald Trump are going to leave when he does.

So that's what I mean. And that's why I think she is right to a degree about the. fever pitch. While he's there and he is there now and he's there in a major way, that's not just going to go away. It's definitely not going to go away. It's not naive to think that the moderates within the House. As a matter of fact, with no leadership in the House right now, Donald Trump has a bigger hold on the Republican Party than he had three days ago. So for now, it's not going to happen. Okay, so we can continue to disagree about the fever breaking. There's no chance that it breaks, in my opinion. None, zero, zero. You think it's going to stay? Wait, excuse me,

You think it's going to stay when Donald Trump has gone? So, Michael, your point about Tiger Woods, a good one. And so a lot of his voters will stay home. They'll get disgruntled with politics, et cetera. But if you think that the Republican Party is then going to go back to the party of Bob Dole, Mitt Romney, but I think that they will. If he loses, if he loses, I think that they will start to revert to a degree to some of that. But I don't think it's going to go away at all.

But I also don't think that these are people that will get disgruntled with politics. I think these are people who are not gruntled with politics. I think that they are interested in Donald Trump, and they're there for that party, a lot of them, not all of them. They'll just find Marjorie Taylor Green, Matt Gates, whoever else. Because of the cult of personality, those people won't be taken seriously nationally in the way Trump has. He had a platform before he got there.

They have a platform, but it's very different than what his was. Michael, look, the Republican voters despise the establishment. And they're never going to have that fever break and go, ah, they're okay. It's just not going to happen. So we can disagree about it. Trey, get your thoughts real quick before we go to those. Yeah. I mean, I tend to, I think there's something about Trump that like you just can't coach.

I don't know that I believe that anyone, like Tiger Woods. I think that's a good analogy. I don't know that anyone's really going to fill those shoes. I mean, famous last words, but I kind of don't, I just don't see it. You know what I mean? I don't think the fever is going to completely break. Those people will remain there. But the Republican parties, if he loses especially, they'll have to change.

some way, right? It won't be like sustainable anymore, I feel like. I mean, they keep, they have this like strategy of like antagonizing more and more demographics of Americans and more narrowly defining the people they're appealing to. And I just don't see how that's going to be successful in the long term. So they'll either, I don't know, they're going to have to change or just die out eventually, hopefully. Maybe that's too optimistic. But I mean, yeah, I don't think that Trump can be replicated exactly. He's just too different. Okay, let's, well, of course, we'll see how that develops.

So Michael was in South Carolina recently talked to those Trump supporters and actually asked them like, why they feel about being in a, you know, whether they think they're in a cult. And so let's see what their answers. All the economists are saying the economy is on the rebound, historic lows in unemployment right now. Does that impact you? As a matter of fact, I don't believe. any of that. It's not what I witness, so I don't believe it. And did you believe, I guess, pre-pandemic, because that's kind of a blip, but pre-pandemic when President Trump was in office,

did you believe the metrics then? Not from the mainstream media, but anything that he said, generally in his administration, I believed. So if it was coming from him, it was gospel. Because there are a lot of people that say, well, that's turning a blind eye to things if you're only trusting the person who's saying it almost, it's cult-like. Does this feel cult-like at all to you? No, not at all. In fact, what's called like to me is watching the mainstream media and listen to the existing administration. Well, you know, look, guys, again here, I think half wrong, half right. So half wrong is the obvious part. No, Michael's right.

Those are the same numbers from the same organizations. They're putting it out during Trump. They're putting it out during Biden. Trump numbers pre-pandemic were pretty good on some of the things like unemployment, et cetera. And when Trump quoted those numbers, those guys were like, yeah, of course, these numbers are the greatest things. God bless those institutions. when they say it's even better under Biden, they're like, no, God damn those institutions and goddamn those numbers, I'm not going to believe anything other than the cult leader, right?

On the other hand, well, you know, that guy said, I don't believe anything from the mainstream media, and I can make an argument for mainstream media being a cult and telling you that the politicians are honest people that are having real debates and have a certain ideology. I think that people, including some Trump supporters who say, no, that's total nonsense. They do exactly what their donors tell them to do, have an excellent case to make. In fact, I agree with that case 100%. And so it's a cult of a different sort. And if you challenge a mainstream media follower, hey, do you really believe that these millions of dollars that they're getting?

What Mitch McConnell is getting is evil. They'll say, oh, of course, Mitch McConnell is a terrible guy getting money from those corporations. Nancy Pelosi, the same money comes into her. Do you think she's evil and bad and corrupt? They'll say, oh, no way. Nancy Pelosi's an angel. Tell me you're not an occult. You sure you're not in a cult?

So curious what you guys think, Trey, I'll start with you this time. I mean, yeah, definitely. There's, you know, some, like, people see things the way they want to. I mean, that's why it was so dangerous about them establishing, you know, the whole fake news, and anything they don't like they can just dismiss is not being real. And that's, you know, chapter one of their playbook now. And that's extremely frustrating because you can't use facts to reason your way out of a dynamic like that. And everybody now lives in a bubble on both sides.

And I agree with you. You're right. But I do think that like it's, I feel like the leftist version of that to me, like they're not making, you know, the equivalent of Trump or death flags or like festooning their entire vehicle with his face. or painting portraits of him with six pack abs and like doing the Heisman at the goal line, stiff arm in Joe Biden and stuff like that. So like it feels a little different and a little cultier to me. But yeah, I mean, you definitely have a point. Yeah, but Trey, I'll just say this before I kick it over to Michael. So you're right about that, but that's 50-52. When it dips into violence, it's a disaster. It's not anything like Nancy Pelosi supporters. I don't know any Nancy Pelosi

supporters who are like, oh my God, let's go leave the cocktail party and attack someone. Okay, so that's not going to happen. At the same time, part of the reason why the Democrats don't have that cult of personality around them is because they don't really have a leader that fights for them. None of their leaders fight for them. So it's hard to rally around the base and make rocky pictures of what, Biden or Pelosi, Schumer? Is that right? Come on, right. So go ahead.

But you don't have to have that, right, to have it be honest and successful. And what Trey called it a bubble, right, which is better than calling it a cult. There's a difference when you have people who will blindly support somebody who will go to their rallies when he wasn't a candidate and is now, are now going when he is a candidate, and just agreeing with every single thing he says and dismissing fact. I mean, that's a little bit different. That is almost, you know, you're entranced by somebody rather than, yes, the mainstream media, you can criticize them. I'm not as critical of them as you are, Jank. But there's a little bit of a difference, actually a great big difference between following one person the way these people do in politics. It doesn't happen a lot.

It didn't happen even, I wouldn't liken the Bernie stuff to that either. I wouldn't liken, you know, maybe George Wallace is the last time we've had anything like that. And so it's, and even Wallace didn't have a hold, he lost the nomination. But so, again, I like, I don't think you can make the. the same, I think it's a false equivalency to call what you're saying with great merit about money and politics and the media, the same as what they're saying about Donald Trump and what we're seeing on the trail. Well, Bernie had a different kind of cult, right?

I know what the Hillary Clinton people and Joe Biden people will say, oh, yeah, there's a Bernie bros, they're terrible and stuff. Bernie's cult was. It wasn't a cult, Jenks. No, no, I know, I know. It definitely wasn't a cult. First of all, they don't even exist anymore. They're not blindly following Bernie.

They're not giving him praise for no reason out of nowhere. We've criticized them a number of times in how he's handled himself in the last couple of years. But in a lighthearted way, the followers of Bernie, they love the hymn with the mittens, remember, at the inauguration. And they love when the little bird lands. It's like the most pleasant followers you can imagine. Yeah, I mean, it's a Mimi thing. It's not really. And one thing on that, when Bernie Sanders went to Charlottesville, Virginia,

shout out for Charlottesville, Virginia, and he spoke at the University of Virginia. A student asked him, you know, what are you supposed to do if you're really progressive and you're getting Democrats? I don't know who to vote for, et cetera. This was during the 2020 election. And Bernie Sanders said, suck it up and make that vote because it's going to make a difference. And that's different. Donald Trump would never say that about any other Republican. And if he were to lose the nomination, which doesn't appear he will, at least not without imprisonment.

And even then, who knows, you see the difference there. He would never say anything like that because it's about Trump, not about the big picture. All right, super last thing you've heard of all of our points on this. It was a little bit of a Grant Williams moment. I don't think you get Jimmy Butler's face in the middle of the playoffs. So like, and I'm not trying to compare Donald Trump to Jimmy Butler, who I really like. But her saying they need to be deprogrammed, she should know. way better than that, because it's going to allow Trump to say, when they come after me,

it isn't because I'm a lifelong criminal and con man, and I actually broke all these laws. It's because they're coming after you, which is actually not at all true. They're not coming after you at all, but now they get to pretend that that's what's happening because they're right wingers, let's keep it real. And if you're a right winger, don't tell me this isn't true. They are a lot more conspiratorial. I mean, you mention any kind of camp, they're like, wait, no, we're all. going to be put into Hobbit homes and FEMA camps. Never happened, never going to happen,

but they believe it with 2,000 percent intensity. So, but at the same time, you can't worry too much about what psychotic people think. No, the Obama never did FEMA camps. You guys never learned that lesson that maybe, maybe, just maybe your leaders, yes, our leaders often lie, we point that out. Your leaders lie 24-7 and you still can't seem to see it. So that part is cult like for sure. Can you put that in NHL parlance instead of NBA parlance? Only if I could use a Wayne Gretzky reference. Sure. Okay. Anyways, that's for another day. I remember when Messi is a messy. Messier. That's right. Got in the face of Gratsky. Did he? Who knows? Okay. So the only two guys are an effort. Now you. It was a valionaire. Tray's right. That was a valiant effort.

When Lemieux did it to Gratsky. Well, that was a thing with the penguins. I'll tell you. Look at you with the team too. Okay. Anyways, we got to take a break. When we come back, now Biden's trouble. We'll talk about that when we return. All right. Back on TYT, Jake Michael Trey with you guys, but also Lord. God is my witness. They just became a young Turks member. So that's it. We got powerful forces on our side, let alone Jen Kenobi, 018, brother of OB1, obviously. And Camille Terry upgraded membership. That allows us to keep the lowest level at five bucks a month. So we appreciate you. You could do the upgrades to the joint button as well. And last one, no more report for you.

Gifted five young tourist memberships. Way to look out for others. Michael. Pay it forward. Exactly. And let's move on to our sitting president and take a look at this. There's been one poll after another poll after another poll this week that has shown that the Republicans are just absolutely bashing Democrats when it comes to issues. Look at this. Republicans or Democrats on issues like inflation, the economy, immigration, these are 25, nearly 30 point margins creating jobs. It's unbelievable. huge, huge numbers. So despite the best efforts of the Biden administration, Bidenomics is not really resonating with people.

You know, you see these voters overwhelmingly favoring Republicans on issues related to the economy, and it begs a crucial question, are the Democrats guys failing on, is it on messaging, is it on policy, or is it both of those things? The three of us are going to try and figure that out. But first, let's talk a little bit more about the poll that Joe Scarborough was just discussing. A new Marquette Law School poll is, it's a national survey finds a close presidential race. Former President Donald Trump receives 51% President Joe Biden gets 48% among registered voters, while Biden has a 51% advantage over Trump's 49% among likely voters,

those who say they are certain they will vote in the presidential election. So you look at that and then look at this. I mean, we can see it broken down right here. Go line item. Inflation, 23 points to the Republicans favor. The economy, 24 points. Immigration and border, 24 points. 19 on creating jobs.

Foreign relations, five points. Medicare and Social Security, we start going to the other side of the seesaw. Two points to the Democrats. Nine points to the Democrats on abortion policy and climate change, 20 points. And, you know, I will say that when I'm out in the field talking to these voters and talking to just about any voter, people are talking about gas prices constantly. The inflation number is the one that is, I wouldn't say dumbed down, but reduced down. The lowest common is gas prices. How much do we have to put in, to fill our tank? How much

we have to spend to fill our tank? Respondents were asked who would handle these issues better. But the question about creating jobs is especially interesting because even Fox News was flabbergasted by the number of new jobs that were created under the Biden administration in September. Numbers released today. Listen here. The September jobs report just released. It shows the U.S. adding 336,000 jobs. That is a big number. That's 166,000 more than economists were expecting. I want to start with a very hot number. non-farm payrolls, 336,000. That is a big jump. That is bigger than the range that I was even looking at. Wow, whoa. We don't hear that on Fox when it's a favorable number for the Democrats in the White House very often. According to data from the Labor Department's Bureau of Labor

Statistics, the U.S. economy created roughly 6.4 million jobs during Trump's first three years in office. Meanwhile, in the first 32 months of Biden's term, the U.S. economy has created nearly 1.4, I'm sorry, 14 million jobs. And, you know, in those numbers, Trump's last year was excluded because it's not fair, really, to put all of that during COVID, all those job losses on Biden, even though it seems voters still trust Trump more than they do Biden on the issues pertain to the economy, Jane? Yeah.

So some of this is substantive. and so Democrats, I think, should deliver better for the American people, their voters, et cetera. But for these numbers in particular, that's a minority. These are, these, you have to break them down in two different ways, policy and politics. In terms of policy, this is grossly unfair. The American people have it totally wrong. So look, I'll give you two examples here on the policy front. First of all, Medicare and Social Security, only a two-point difference for the Democrats.

Are you kidding me? The Democrats have always protected Medicare and Social Security. The Republicans propose to cut it every time they get power. Every time, well, you know, you said we're worried about the deficit, blah, blah, blah. They don't like it. Rich people they think have to pay for it to some degree. So they're like, screw the elderly. We don't want it.

We don't want it. They want to raise the retirement age. they want to, you know, cap the amount of money you're getting from Social Security and Medicare. For the Democrats, someone who will have only a two-point advantage on that is a crime against the truth, okay? And then on the creating jobs number, it's the exact opposite of what's true. So Trump has a 49 to 30 lead against Biden, and a stunning 19-point lead when Biden has created twice as many jobs. Michael just read you the actual numbers. And even Fox News of CNBC, the two most conservative stations in America are like,

holy cow, look at all these jobs. We're literally record unemployment. I'm considering running against Biden, and I'm still telling you, are you crazy? The jobs numbers are Biden's best asset. Like he's done really well with that. You've got to be fair, right? Nope. losing by 19 points on that, 19 points.

It's nearly unrecoverable, which leads me to the next part of it, which is politics. On the politics, you have to confess, Biden has been awful. The economy is always the number one issue in a campaign. And this year, there's no giant foreign policy thing. Yeah, you think Ukraine's big, no, we hate China, that's big. Not really, I mean, the Iraq war was gigantic, made it all the difference. in the 2004 election. So you don't have an enormous, all-consuming issue like that in foreign policy at this

point. So that means the economy is even more important. And there, Biden is down by 24. Do you think Biden has enough charisma to overcome a 24-point deficit on the economy? The fact that he has no charisma, no marketing, no optics, no nothing, can't argue for himself for his own party, if his life depended on it, is why he's in this hole in the first. first place. He's never, he's not going to like all of a sudden turn dark Brandon in the laser eyes. He's not going to go into a phone booth and turn from Clark Kennan to Superman.

He's going to say in every speech, I love my Republican friends with these guys are a little too much. They got a lot too much malarkey. And he's going to be down by 36. If we think democracy's on the line, this ain't going to get it done. Trey. Yeah, I mean, part of this I'm kind of sympathetic to a little bit. I mean, it's like Michael said earlier, he talks to people. they talk about gas prices, inflation, that type of thing. Like, everybody talks about how, like, the economy's booming. It's doing great. But, I mean, like, everything is so expensive.

Cost of living is that insane. Housing crisis, health care costs. I had a buddy, him and his wife this week, had a baby. They had some unexpected complications. It's going to financially cripple them for, like, ever, you know. And, I mean, so people look around these things like jobs reports or whatever here, these numbers. And they're like, I don't know.

It don't seem great. Have you seen how much eggs cost or whatever? So I kind of get that, the basic element of it, but I don't, it is maddening that those people, like, think that Donald Trump or the Republicans are the answer to it, that they, that I can understand being upset and frustrated about it, you know, it's a Democratic administration and things are the way they are. But I don't understand thinking that Trump is going to actually help or do anything. And it's like you said, the Medicare numbers and the jobs numbers is like you said, that's the exact opposite of the actual truth. I feel like those two kind of let you know that it really wouldn't. even matter. They wouldn't be getting credit for it regardless of if things were better. But yeah, these people think that like Joe Biden just like opens a secret door in his wall and then turns up the gas prices knob or something. Like they don't understand how it all actually works. But at the end of the day, you know, it kind of doesn't matter. They're not going to get credit for it regardless. And I don't really know what you do about that. The Republicans have just long

been, however unfairly it may be, they've long been the, you know, the party of like fiscal concerns, fiscal conservatism, that type of thing. They're the money people and people buy into that. regardless of how untrue it is, you know, and the problems, a lot of them come back to, you know, corporate greed and Republican obstructionism and things like that, but, you know, they don't know. They think Republicans, they're good with money. I don't like how much things cost. Maybe we should vote for them. And it drives me crazy. But, you know, I don't really know what to do about it because I agree also with what you said about Biden, his charisma and overcoming it. I don't see that happening either. But it's maddening. Yeah, and they're going to, the charisma numbers

are going to really hurt Biden if it is, in fact, Biden and Trump. And, you know, to what Tray's saying is that, you know, the inflation and the economy is never a wedge issue. It's a major issue. But the Republicans are very crafty about turning it into an eggs and gas issue, which makes it in and of itself a wedge issue, a issue, an issue that people can talk about in everybody in almost a universal way around the country. You look at these numbers too, which is bad news for the Democrats, is that presumably in

these very lopsided polls, there are a lot of Democrats being polled here. It's not just clearly Republicans who are saying these things. It would be far more lopsided as only Republicans. That's what the Democrats have to be wary of, is that many of their own are seeing these problems in Biden's messaging. One thing to keep in mind, I always remind you this, is that there's still a billion dollars to be spent. There are questions about why it has any, none of it's been spent already, which has a lot of the people who think Biden may not run interested. But, But when a billion dollars are spent and the messaging really kicks in, even though the Democrats are not great messengers in this generation, this message is going to be a little bit louder and a little bit clearer. But like Jenks said, it's a long way to come back from.

Yeah, look, let's now, we're in the keeping it real portion of our programming, which is, by the way, all of our programming. But in terms of of this specific issue, can Biden make a comeback? So remember, let me just break it down for you guys as usual. Four and a half point win last time in 2020, and he only won by 44,000 votes in the electoral college. So that means any Democrat, not just Biden, any Democrat has to win by about five to make sure we have even a little bit of cushion, right? And remember, they say democracy's on the line. I'm not sure they believe it. I believe it.

I know Trump. Trump is never going to let go of power. Last time was a dry run. They tried a coup last time. He's never going to let go. Never. I'm super worried about Trump winning. So we've got to beat him by five. Biden is now down by two. And the average of polls around one to two. So he's got to make up six to seven there. And election day he was at 52 back in 2020. In favorability, he's now down to 39. That's he's got to make up 13 points in that case. In the economy, you see in this poll, he's down by 24. He's going to make that up. Okay, first question is why? Why are we going with a candidate who's on a 24 point home? Or a 13 point hole or a 7 point hole, right? And do we think this is a candidate who has so much charisma that he's going to turn the marketing around and he's going to convince everyone that they actually, there are a lot of jobs and that the economy's doing great? I think that we're, we risk being in a MAGA-like cult if we can't recognize how devastating those numbers are.

And Jake, I mean, it's not just you who is recognizing the devastation of those numbers per a Politico report. It's Democrats themselves who think that this messaging, and listen, what's the presidential campaign? It's messaging. So Democrats in Washington are concerned about this. This is from Politico, and more than a dozen interviews across the party, Democrats offered various defenses and diagnoses of the administration's messaging strategy and what may need to change. But nearly all acknowledged that the Bidenomics message blitz has failed to brighten voters' view of the economy to date. Now, it doesn't take a genius to see that because of these numbers. But one of the theories as to why it's not is because people are still, and voters are still feeling the sting of inflation.

Every year, Gallup asks Americans how they feel about the economy and then compiles a list of what they call the economic confidence index. Here's how the economic confidence index has evolved from January of 2000 to September of 2023. You can see the index's highest measurement is plus 56 in January of 2000, and the lowest measurement is minus 72 in October of 2008. We're sitting now at minus 39. Now, the economic, you know, that feeling that is pervading in America right now is something that the Biden administration and the Biden, campaign is going to have to address in some way. And the question is whether they can do that. You can see that the graph has gone up and down since then. But, you know, the Americans still felt worse about the economy than they did in April of 2020. And you know what was going on then.

So this is a situation. And, Trey, I'll go to you on this. Is there anything that you could see just in terms of around the country people talking about this? I mean, you know, Biden and the Democrats have to do their part too. I just will say trying to find some kind of optimism. There is another side of this equation, too, when the campaign kicks into high gear, like, you know, what's going to happen with Trump? He's only going to be in court more. He's only going to have more trials, more opportunities to continue to screw up.

He hasn't grown any less unhinged in recent years when he's on like the main stage in front of the whole American electorate up there talking about boats hitting whales, sharks getting electrocuted and whatever else he's been doing lately and that type of thing. Like, you know, that also I hope will be a. Now again, we started off the show talking about how entrenched his people already are. But I think that, you know, that still could move the needle a little bit like giving Trump enough, you know, rope to hang himself with. But Biden's going to have to do, you know, his part as well. But I just think that the polls right now, it's like, it is a little early. We're,

we haven't even really like getting into it yet. And there's a lot of ball game left. You know what I mean, on both sides. Yeah, I would prefer not to start with the team that's down 24, though. I'm sure, you know, hey, don't worry, we're only in the fourth inning. We'll make up those 24 runs in the last five innings. You get a good line, though. I mean, on that bet, you'd make a lot. Yeah, well, you would, but for a good reason, because it's very, very unlikely. Look, last couple things here.

First, binomics. Come on, guys, who thought that was going to be a good thing? Oh, my God, the country will be electrified by the term binomics. Well, electrified is different. I'm going to say that I actually did think of it. It was a good idea. You have to put something good in terms of this administration if you are the administration and the people around it. I think it was definitely a good risk.

And like you said, Jank, all the numbers refute what these poll numbers show. So if you are in the administration, you're trying to sell your accomplishments on the economy, fine. That's pretty great to do it. You don't think that the people are going to vote or are going to be polled in this way and see this crazy number. of jobs that have been created and think that you're losing by 19 points on jobs. So I don't even think it was risky to say that. I think it was let's own something good rather than let them define who we are. Yeah, I got you, but it didn't work. And that's also consistent with how you talk about the Democrats, too. So let me show the difference, though. Okay,

so I like to be constructive in the critique, right? So if you go with Bynomics, go with Joe Anomics, I don't care, right? Do you like Joe economy? Do you like Joe? Oh, go. That's economy as Joe Mentem. No, don't do that. Okay, so, okay, so you do that label and then you come out. And so here's what Biden says about Bidenomics. Right now here's what I would say. Best job numbers ever, ever, period, period. George Washington, where are you at?

Where you at, bro, okay? Literally ever, fact check it right now, lowest unemployment we've ever had. Jobs, jobs, jobs, what did I do? I created millions of American jobs. Donald Trump, kiss my left cheek and my right cheek. I doubled your ass. Kiss both cheeks. I doubled your ass.

What are you going to do? What are you going to do? I create jobs and you cry. So cry some more. Now, what's everybody going to do? Everyone in the world is going to cover that speech. Everyone in America is going to see that. And then they're going to go, no way, man.

He really twice as many as Trump? All the local news, they're not going to listen to MS, NBC and CNN. I get it. But all the local news is also going to cover that. And they're going to go, yeah, yeah, I mean, it is true. it is record low unemployment, and it is true that he did double Trump's numbers on jobs. Oh, that was so hard. That was so hard. But no, Biden, oh, no, that would be not classy. He wants to lose in a super classy way. And so when the fascists take over, the good news is we'll be super classy.

All right. All right, Trey last word. Yeah, well, Jack, I just think you might be on to something there, because I feel like we all know that American politics has long since morphed into like pro wrestling essentially, and what you're basically pitching there is that Biden cut a promo on Trump on the subject of the economy. And so, you know, I think that idea has some serious legs. I don't know that he's got the, you know, again, the gumption to pull that off. But yeah, it's a nice thought. You'd have to recast it. But yeah, well, now we might get to that too, but first, yeah, first, t.yt.com slash drop out. TYT.com slash drop out. Joe Biden, Stop being so selfish.

It's incredibly selfish to risk democracy because you'd like a second term. Gretchen Whitmer, Josh Shapiro, Andy Beshear, other governors, where are you? Get in the goddamn race already. We're going to lose to the fascist. We'll be back. All right, back on TYT, Jank, Michael, and Trey with you guys. Michael's got a couple more stories. Third parties, take a listen to this.

Kennedy's independent run will devastate Biden's shot at re-election. Kennedy's polling at 15% with Democrats. If Biden's the nominee, 15% of American Democrats will have Kennedy as an option. melon scooping a critical piece of the base away from Joe. Well, that's what Jesse Waters thinks. RFK Jr. running, he thinks will hurt Joe Biden. Some polling now out says the opposite. But Kennedy is not just your run-of-the-mill Democrat.

His issues are very Republican on some things like vaccine, like Ukraine funding. And so a Kennedy campaign insider put it to media. MAGA folks are upset over this news. Data guru Nate Silver noted on Twitter, the available numbers indicate a Kennedy third party run is trouble for Trump. Not being remotely sarcastic when I say this is good news for Biden, Silver said. If Kennedy runs, I will say more than just anecdotally, all of my interviews with people at Trump rallies asking him about Kennedy,

they love him when I say if Trump isn't on the ballot, who would you vote for? Many of them say that it's Kennedy. A poll done by John Zogby Strategies and commissioned by the American Values 2024 PAC found the following. The poll shows that in a general election between Trump Biden and a generic independent candidate, the result is Trump, 40, Biden 38 and the independent candidate at 17. In a matchup between Trump, Biden, and RFK Jr. as the independent candidate, the result is Trump and Biden tied at 38 with Kennedy at 19. The survey did not include Cornell West running as the Green Party candidate.

So the Kennedy campaign advisor who spoke with mediaite agreed with the fact that many of these in conservative media who are saying that an independent candidate is damaging to Trump. This is going to F Trump. Bobby's values are much more in line with patriots. He's against Big Pharma. He's pro-Bitcoin, decentralized so the government can control it. And that's where you have it. So the discussion really is whether or not. not a prominent run by someone who just became an independent from being a Democrat with one of

the most iconic Democratic names in American history, Robert Kennedy Jr. will, what kind of impact he would have on the race? So there's a couple of layers to this. First layer was when Kennedy first came out and started running yes, Biden, he got up to near 20 points in the Democratic primary, which is a bit stunning. And then he got a lot of press for that, which he should, that's a big, big number. But I called people inside the Marianne Williamson campaign and not Marianne herself, but others. And I asked, what do you think?

Is it the name recognition just because it's Kennedy? Or did the Democratic base all of a sudden turn into anti-vaxer's? And they're like, no, purely name recognition. They have no idea what he stands for. That was a while back, okay? And so that put to out to be correct. Because as he went and did a lot of media, Democrats found out who he is. And they're like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, we don't want that.

No, that's, we were thinking of another Kennedy, not that one, okay? And so his numbers plummeted and he got mad at the Democratic Party. I don't, like, they're not holding debates. Should they hold debates? Absolutely right, okay. Are they going to cheat in favor of Biden? You really didn't know that they were going to? Like, of course, of course they're going to support the incumbent president.

I'm not in favor of that. I'm, you know, oftentimes I get as angry as he does. But like, he's like, as if he's heartbroken, has the wrong. run independent, right? No, all this was enormously predictable. Now, when you get to that issue at hand today, who is you going to hurt more? I don't think it's close. I gave you that context because whatever momentum he had on the Democratic side was ephemeral. It was based on his name and a misunderstanding of who he was. So when you get into what is Kennedy known for today, by far and away, number one is anti-vax. And then you get into the Bitcoins and the anti-Ukraine

war funding position, etc. Now, he's actually really good on the environment. He does come from the left initially, right? But nobody knows that. Nobody's paying attention to that. And nobody's talking about that. They're talking about those conspiracy theory, right wing talking points. Is that going to take more from Trump than Biden? Of course. Of course it is. Which Democrats going around going, man, I wish I just had. Now, I like the jobs numbers. And I like that he's, you know, a choice, Biden is, I just wish she was more anti-vax. I just don't think that's a big number, and it has proven to be not a big number. So that's, and then I will say one last thing. I think that the misconception is also because people in D.C., they don't know what progressives

are at all. So they're like, I don't know, Bernie, RFK Jr., they're probably the same thing, right? Is Bernie antivax? I don't, I don't, they're all crazy radicals, right? So I know, no. The Bernie supporters are not going to support RFK Jr. He's nothing like us. So, Trey, go ahead. Yeah, I mean, you know, like when RFK Jr. first became a thing, his campaign, everything you hear, he's got the last name. Kennedy's running as a Democrat and immediately think like, well, this is not going to be good for Biden, you know. And the one thing most people knew if they knew anything about him was the anti-vax stuff.

And so part of you guys like, well, you know, the OG anti-Baxers were like, you know, coastal hippie-dippy crystals and candles crowd. You know what I mean? So like if he draws those people away, we might be in trouble. But like you said, and then the early polling numbers all seemed, you know, worrisome. Like you said, as it went along and he talked more and more. And it's like, you know, people started, Democrats started to notice like, oh, this guy says some kind of crazy sounding stuff. In addition to the already crazy stuff, we knew about him. And then people on the right or right to Jason were like, hey, do you guys hear this guy saying some crazy sounding stuff?

This is great. You know what I mean? Because like you said, Jake, like they definitely have a higher number of the conspiracy types and those types of people. And that's who I think he would pull from. So it might seem kind of counterintuitive at first that it would work this way. But I feel like really when you think about it for all the reasons you've already outlined, you know, I mean, it totally makes sense. So, you know, more power to him, I guess. I hope that's how it plays out.

And there's also a faction of, you know, Republicans who will never vote for a Democrat. So Kennedy changing to an independent makes it a more palatable thing for a Republican who doesn't want to vote for Trump to vote for that third party candidate. because they're not a Democrat. And that's, I think that's an important thing to point out here. There's more to discuss on this, but we've got to move on. But basically, there are people, though, who within the constructs of third parties right now, people like at third base, third way, which is a centrist organization at, what is it, the no labels that wants to prop up Joe Manchin, that they're saying that third party candidates

can't win, basically. Some of them are saying it, that no labels is not, but third way is saying it, that you can't go in here thinking that because that may hand it to somebody else because a third party candidate can't win that. But when there's more time to discuss that, we'll get into it a little bit more deeply. But for now, it seems that the Kennedy thing is going to swing in Biden's favor if it swings at all and if he actually does enter the race for the long haul as an independent. Matt Gates made a lot of news earlier this week when he basically took out the speaker of the house.

He's continuing to make news now, according to a huge scoop from NBC Newts. Gates trashed the House Republicans impeachment inquiry into Biden during a private online fundraiser with big, big, GOP donors. You might be confused, and I guess we can see that Matt Gates and fundraiser appearing in the same sentence. You'd be right to feel that way. It's because Matt Gates loves to brag about the fact that he gets all this small dollar donations and not checks from corporations and fat cats, but we'll revisit that. quotes from that fundraiser, that online fundraiser that took place September 26th. This is Matt Gates speaking. I don't believe that we are endeavoring upon a legitimate impeachment

of Joe Biden. They're trying to engage in a like forever war of impeachment. And like many of our forever wars, it will drag on forever. And in a bloody draw, I just don't get the sense that it is for the sake of impeachment. I think it's for the sake of having another bad thing to say about Joe Biden. And from that same report, Gates told the attendees he meant no offense to representatives Jim Jordan and James Comer, who are overseeing the closely watched probes. But he added, according to the recording, if this was serious, we would have sent a subpoena to Hunter Biden, which is ironic because just last month, Matt Gates took to Twitter and said term limits vote, balance budget vote, single subject spending bills, released J6 tape, subpoena Hunter, impeach Biden.

We must do these things. The American people have waited long enough. A little bit of change of heart from the maybe gubernatorial candidate for the Republican nomination in Florida one day, Matt Gates. Yeah, the only part I'll disagree with is not a change of heart. It's a change of, you know, language depending on the audience and message based on the audience. So look, there's two different issues here. One is the fundraiser and the other is what he said in the fundraiser. I'm actually okay with the fundraiser.

That might surprise you guys, but he said he's not taking corporate pack money. And unless he violated that pledge and there were, you know, folks who were sending in corporate super PAC money to him there. If he violates that pledge, then I'm done with him. He has no redeeming qualities left at that point, et cetera. But if it's just people who are wealthy that are giving him money, that's still allowed. And you can see in Matt Gates's proposals for anti-corruption bills. I don't think he's getting corporate pack money. The corporate packs despise anti-corruption.

They are the corruption. So we'll see. We'll see if any of those guys were linked to those super PACs, or we might not see. But if they're just wealthy Republicans, that's old school and that's not great, but it's okay. So now in terms of the impeachment stuff, now, ironically, he's totally right when he's behind closed doors. They have no evidence. It's just the impeachment wars back and forth, back and forth, except for the fact that there was plenty of evidence on Donald Trump,

and there's no evidence on Joe Biden, and even Matt Gates knows it. And Rosenthal knows it. They all know it. Even the most extreme Republicans know it. So he's right about that too. So what's he wrong about? Lying in public that he's in favor of impeachment and that, oh boy, they got this, right? So you tell me Matt Gates changed his mind between that tweet and that closed door meeting with the fundraiser.

get out of here. He didn't change his mind. He lies to you on a regular basis when he's in public. And he does to rile you guys up, oh yeah, we got by, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we can do impeachment. In reality, of course, and they don't want to break the spell. Every right wing host, every right wing politician tells you they got plenty of evidence on Biden when they don't have a single piece of evidence. If a bunch of them came out and were like half the Fox news hosts were like, okay, fine, we'll admit it. We have no evidence at all. We just don't like Joe Biden, and we just want to smear him and impeach him because you guys correctly impeached Donald Trump. No, they're never going to say that. So Matt Gates has to lie because his voters

demand that lie. They want Biden to be guilty, whether he's actually guilty or not. So that's why he lies to them. Trey. Yeah, I mean, look, first of all, obviously, I can't stand Matt Gates, you know, hope he has an allergic reaction to his new hair product or something like that. Like, I'm not a fan, but I am here for this, for him, you know, giving the Democrat sound bites, after the other Republicans. I may be misremembering, but I feel like, like, generally speaking in the pre-Trump area, you didn't have a lot of infighting on the right. That was always my thing with them is like, man, they stick together generally. No matter what your crimes are, if you got the R by your name, they'll line up and circle the wagons. But so nowadays, I'm, you know, kind of digging

it watching them be at each other's throats like this and the fall out of the McCarthy thing and all that and Matt Gates is right at the forefront of it. Again, I'm no fan, but like you said, he is right about this impeachment stuff. And like earlier in the week, when he stands up and Congress and starts to talk. At first, I see that. I'm like, oh, God, this guy don't want to hear this guy talk. But he stands up there and he's like, you know, McCarthy and his ilk, they're not going to be able to keep calling Biden a senile old man as long as he keeps wrecking them in every single negotiation they have. And all of a sudden, I'm like, I hear him out. Let's let him finish. Let's see where he goes with this. Because as long as they're sniping at each other like this, I'm kind of just sitting in the corner eating my popcorn. You know what I mean? So it's the only thing Matt Gates has done that I've been in favor of. Yeah, well, look, I'll add two quick things to that. One is that, no, you There was the second thing he said in that speech, that was even better. He said he referenced all the lobbyist money and the corporate PAC money that the other Republicans are taken. Yeah. Okay, that is some good stuff right there.

That is true. And even progressives haven't really had the courage to call that out. I don't know why. I don't know what they're waiting for. But so give credit to Matt Case on that. And then the last thing is I think that there's a lot of value in fighting within a party. You're not supposed to just go bow your head to whoever the leader is. And no, I don't have any opinion.

No, you're not doing the right things. You're doing what the donors want. Okay, no, I bow my head. We have unity. No, I'm not in favor of that at all. That's not the problem with the Freedom Caucus. The problem is that their ass, at least half of them, are mental. Like, shut down the Department of Justice because they're investigating our daddy.

Come on, come on. If they weren't lunatics, then it would be an interesting fight, right? defund the FBI. I mean, that's basically what they want to do as well, which has the same roots as what Jenks talking about. You know, this infighting has gone on a little longer than Kevin McCarthy. It forced John Boehner out. It forced Paul Ryan to throw his hands up.

So this Freedom Caucus has caused a lot of problems for the Republican caucus in the House. And I think it's going to be a difficult couple of years for them, you know, personally. because of this. And Matt Gates is now liberated, not that he's ever been silent, liberated to say whatever the hell he's thinking about, which is what he's doing now, talking about the impeachment, what he did on the House floor the other day. He's going to be a force that's just going to speak his mind in ways that he hasn't before, and he's got Trump behind. Okay, so everybody check out Michael's videos on YouTube.com slash the Young Turks,

because he interviewed so many Trump supporters and the things they say are amazing. You guys are going to love those videos. We don't cover all of them on this show. Make sure you're watching those videos because they're going to blow your mind. And Trey's got a book out. Trey Crowder.com. You can also see dates where he's going to go and do stand-up, et cetera. Make sure you're checking them out.

Trey, you're wonderful. Thanks for joining us. We appreciate your brother. Shout out to Clay County. And when we come back. Thanks, guys. When we come back, we have more amazing stories, including the government has started taking Giuliani's property. So we'll be back.

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