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Episode Date: November 21, 2023

Biden’s standing hits new lows amid Israel-Hamas war, and it gives Trump his first-ever lead in NBC poll. CNN’s Oren Liebermann explores Gaza hospital tunnel claims by IDF: "The credibility of Israel is at stake here." Israeli president Isaac Herzog claims people protesting the IDF's attacks on Gaza are accomplishes of Hamas. HOSTS: Ana Kasparian (@AnaKasparian) and Cenk Uygur (@cenkuygur) SUBSCRIBE on YOUTUBE: ☞ https://www.youtube.com/user/theyoungturks FACEBOOK: ☞ https://www.facebook.com/theyoungturks TWITTER: ☞ https://www.twitter.com/theyoungturks INSTAGRAM: ☞ https://www.instagram.com/theyoungturks TIKTOK: ☞ https://www.tiktok.com/@theyoungturks 👕 Merch: https://shoptyt.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Of course, there are many updates. In the ongoing war on Gaza, we are going to cover that story from many different angles a little later in the first hour of the show, including some of the more unbelievably transparent, candid statements coming from former Israeli intelligence officials who do not believe that there is a single non-combatant in the Gaza Strip. What do you think that translates to? So we'll get to that later again in the first hour of the show. We're going to start the show with a discussion about the growing number of Democrats within the Democratic establishment who are definitely concerned about Biden's chances of getting reelected. I can't wait to share the details of that with you. Later in the second hour of the show, we will discuss some of Trump's insane comments

during a recent rally. Cardi B, the lyrical artist, the rapper if you will, Speaking out against Mayor Eric Adams of New York City, calling for massive cuts to various programs in the city. Apparently, there is an issue with the budget gap and where do you get a load of what he is blaming that budget gap on? So stick around for that. That'll be in the second hour of the show. Jank Uger will be joining me in the second segment. But since we're gonna start the show by discussing the election and how Biden world is kind of freaking out and panicking over his low polling, his low approval ratings. We decided that I'll cover that story solo since Jenk is running for president,

and we don't want to sacrifice or have anyone question the credibility of the show. We want to make sure that we cover everything fairly and kind of put the political aspirations aside when we cover these types of topics. So without further ado, let's get to Biden. And NBC News poll shows President Biden's approval rating has dropped to its lowest level since he took office nearly three years ago. Yeah, the results reveal that only 40% of voters approve of how the president is running the country down 6% since January. The Democratic Party, meaning members of the Democratic establishment, are absolutely freaking out. They're panicking over Biden's low approval rating, how he's been performing in polling.

As we have shared with you, the New York Times-Syana College poll shows that Biden is trailing Donald Trump, the likely Republican nominee in key battleground states. And now we're also hearing that one of those Democrats, Democratic establishment strategist, David Axelrod, is in a bit of a tiff with Biden. Biden has called him a prick over Axelrod, basically raising the alarm over how Biden is performing in the poll. So we're going to get to that in just a moment.

But before we do, I think it's worth discussing recent reporting. coming out of both Politico and the Washington Post, showing that the Biden campaign is in fact struggling on how to deal with voters' concerns that Biden is simply too old to run for a second term. And what they did is they interviewed in Politico more than a dozen Biden donors, fundraisers, Democratic establishment, party officials, and strategists as well. And I think it's important to know that these are the individuals that reporters are talking to. These are not Bernie bros, these are not, you know, leftists or progressives who have been sour on Biden from the beginning. These are people who have literally donated money to Biden's campaign, who have

supported Biden, but are now kind of taking a step back, taking stock of the situation and realizing, look, poll after poll indicates that things are not looking good for Joe Biden. And the way he is messaging about his age is also not working out well. But what's really interesting is the disagreements within the Democratic establishment in regard to how Biden should message about his age. Now, as political reports, many donors are directly urging top campaign aides to go on offense, leaning even harder into Biden's age as proof of his wisdom in turbulent times. They're also pushing for more humor about Grandpa Joe. And apparently Joe Biden's camp has taken that advice because he's been engaging in more and more self-deprecating humor,

if you will, about his age. I don't know if that's really going to carry him through and help him beat Trump in the 2024 presidential election. But others fret that not enough has been done to place a similarly harsh spotlight on his political opponent's age. Now Biden's birthday is today. He just turned 81 years old. He is downplaying his birthday. There aren't really any public celebrations about it, and it's probably because he doesn't want to draw attention to the fact that he's 81 years old and running for a second term. Trump himself is up there in age. He's 77 years old, but there is a noticeable difference in how they carry themselves, how they carry out their speeches. You look at Trump, and yes, he definitely has moments

where you're like, man, that guy's old, but he's still energetic relative to Biden. He seems He's more charismatic, he's not squinting into the camera as he's giving his speeches. So the idea that attacking Trump on his age is somehow going to work, I think is unfounded, to say the least. Biden seems to get on a continuing basis knocked for his age while Trump does not, said Alan Kessler, a Democratic donor and Biden Bundler. No one brings up the age thing with Trump, that double standard is troubling. And guess what?

Polling indicates that American voters for the most part aren't buying the argument that we should be as concerned about Donald Trump's age. This isn't me saying it, this is what the American voters are saying. So 70% of likely voters in six battleground states said Biden is too old to be an effective president, according to the New York Times, Siena College poll released earlier this month. Only 39% of those battleground voters said Trump was too old. That's virtually unchanged from April when Reuters, Ipsos poll found that. that 73% of adults believe that Biden is too old to be in office.

And I want to provide some evidence. I want to provide an example for why this is the case. So we're going to go to the next video. This is literally from today. And it gives you a sense of the mishaps that typically occur when Biden is out there in the public, giving public speeches. There's an annual tradition having to do with Thanksgiving. the president pardons a turkey, so that is what this event is.

And so with that context in mind, let's take a look at him kind of bumbling and fumbling through this lighthearted speech. Live pictures from the White House as the two turkeys appear to be a little bit reticent to get on the stage there, but they will be pardoned, which is, let's listen in just if we could, just for a few seconds. Honey, crisp apples. Not bad, huh? Ice hockey, I sure and I would like to see them play ice hockey, a thousand lakes,

and the mall on America. Now, just to get here, Liberty and Bell had to beat some tough odds, the competition. They had to work hard to show patience and be willing to travel over 1,000 miles. You could say even this harder than getting a ticket to the Renaissance tour or, or, or, or, or for Britney's tour, she's down and it's kind of warm in Brazil right now. What? I don't, he was trying to make a joke about Britney Spears and Taylor Swift and something about Brazil. It made no sense. He obviously lost his train of thought. And if this was a one-off, that would be one thing. Okay, sometimes when you're in the middle of saying something publicly,

you're speaking off the cuff, you might lose your train of thought. It's happened to me. But this happens regularly with Joe Biden. There are videos of him looking confused on stage, not knowing where he's supposed to go. There are videos of him falling. He looks frail. And I think it's undeniable that that is the case. And now that you're hearing more and more Democratic donors, more and more Democratic establishment figures speaking out about this, tells you that this isn't just some, you know, made up issue that the far left is concerned about.

This is an issue that Democratic voters, along with the Democratic establishment, are concerned about. But there is also a deep-seated denial within the Democratic National Committee in regard to the reality of this whole situation. As political reports, another Biden donor said they recently raised concerns about the president's age with DNC officials, but they just refused to even acknowledge it was a problem. Okay, so on one hand, I really want to reiterate and emphasize this point, because it's important. Biden and the Democratic Party right now is hanging its hat on the idea that if they fearmonger about Donald Trump enough, well, easy path to victory for Joe Biden. And so the messaging from the Democratic Party incessantly has

has been, Donald Trump poses a threat to our democracy. He poses a threat to our democratic process. He is a giant threat, and we must, we absolutely must be concerned about that and fight back against that and elect a Democrat to ensure that Trump doesn't get a second term. That is the argument that they make. And if they were sincere about that concern, they would want to run the best possible candidate to beat Donald Trump. Instead, the Democratic establishment, the DNC,

is far more concerned about Joe Biden's narcissism, selfishness, and ego. Joe Biden's desire to be a two-term president. Joe Biden's desire to allegedly have a better legacy by being a two-term president. Now, obviously that is not only incredibly selfish, but it risks Biden's legacy, because there's a good chance that he might not get reelected.

So he's willing to take that risk because to Joe Biden serving a second term and having a better legacy, I guess, as a two-term president is more important than, you know, risking a second Trump term. You can't, you can't say two things at once. You can't on one hand say Trump is a threat. And then on the other hand say, no, but we insist that we're going to run the worst possible candidate to beat Donald Trump. And it's not based on nothing, it's based on polling, it's based on Biden's approval rating.

And even David Axelrod has been speaking out against this, okay? So I want to talk about that a little bit, because apparently, according to recent reporting, after David Axelrod, long-time Democratic strategist who has defended Biden time and time again, after Axelrod floated the idea earlier this month that Democrats might need the president to consider whether he's the best nominee for the party next year, Biden was reportedly so angered that he referred to Axelrod as a prick. In fact, that topic even came up during a recent episode of Bill Maher's show where Marr declared that Biden cannot win. And then in a new New York Times column by Maureen Dowd, doubt decides, no, this is unacceptable. I'm going to go ahead and defend

Axelrod, especially given Axelrod's history of looking out for Joe Biden. She writes that David Axelrod is not a prick. Truly, I've known him since 2007. And if I had to pick a noun to describe him, it would be mensch. Now, I personally wouldn't go so far. But Dowd then goes on to provide examples of how Axelrod has been incredibly kind to Biden, incredibly supportive toward Biden. She mentioned that Axelrod, for instance, helped elevate him onto the ticket with Barack Obama back in 2008, and that Axelrod also says that Biden was a great vice president and has done a lot of wonderful things as president. She continues to write in this column, quote, when some in the Obama camp chattered in 2011 about switching

Biden out for Hillary Clinton, Axelrod said he protested. That would be an incredible act of disloyalty to a guy who has done a great job for us. So time and Again, Axelrod looking out for Biden, but the facts are the facts. He's now looking at the polling. He's looking at Biden's approval rating, and he's raising alarm over these issues. So what does Axelrod have to say about Biden calling him a prick? He said this, quote, I don't care about them thinking I'm a prick, that's fine. I hope they don't think the polls are wrong because they're not.

And then get a load of this, Axelrod also says, I think he has a 50-50 shot here, but no better than that. Maybe a little worse. He thinks he can cheat nature here and it's really risky. They've got a real problem if they're counting on Trump to win it for them. I remember Hillary doing that too, making reference to the 2016 presidential election where, as we all know, Hillary Clinton got real cocky, thought she was going to beat Trump handily and fail to do so. And that is exactly where Joe Biden currently is. The DNC is providing cover for his delusions.

And he is essentially putting the future of the country at jeopardy. Because to him, the possibility of serving two terms is far more important. His ego is far more important than the future of this country. It is one of the most selfish acts I have seen in politics. And that's saying something because our political system is littered with self-interested selfish individuals. But again, if the core campaign message coming from the Biden camp is you must elect us, you must elect Joe Biden because Trump is a giant threat to the future of this country,

they really have no like to stand on when they know how Biden's performing in the polls and they know that there's a very good chance that Trump could, in fact, beat Biden. So we'll see how this plays out. Again, there are growing calls for Biden to reconsider to essentially allow for a more robust democratic primary. So far, the DNC is in cahoots with Biden and they're refusing to do so. But I don't want to hear a damn word from the Democratic establishment about how it's the progressives fault if Biden doesn't get reelected. And if Trump gets to serve a second term, you have again, long time democratic strategy. Fans of the Democratic establishment like David Axelrod, people like Bill Maher, raising

alarm with absolutely no legitimate response from the Biden camp. And I think it's incredibly pathetic to see this. So we'll fill you in as we learn more, but it's not looking good for Biden so far. And despite those growing calls for him to reconsider, doesn't seem like he's into that. Seems like he's dead set to run for reelection. All right, we gotta take a break when we come back. Jank Uguer will be joining me for updates on the war in Gaza, a lot to get to. Don't miss it.

We'll be right back. You guys, you think I don't see the comments during the break? You think I don't see it? Anyway, Anna has commandeered the iPad for me. I have commandeered it. So she'll be reading. We got to keep it tight. There's a lot of dues to get to today.

All right. Speaking of which, devastating news is what we start with. Yes, let's get to our updates in Gaza. The IDF's ability to continue its operation in Gaza and the credibility of Israel are at stake here as the number killed in the fighting surpasses 12,000. according to the Hamas-run Ministry of Health. The IDF says one of its missions is to destroy Hamas. But with international criticism mounting,

Israel has to show the terror organization is using Gaza's civilians and infrastructure as cover to justify an ongoing war. Well, it's a brand new week, and the Israeli defense forces have yet to provide solid evidence that justifies their attack of the al-Shifa hospital in Gaza. Now, a tunnel shaft is the latest alleged discovery that the IDF is pointing to, as some evidence, we'll get to that in a moment. But before we get to any of this, I think it's really important to keep in mind that the

movements and reporting of journalists in the Gaza Strip are severely restricted, so much so that even CNN has to disclose how much of their content is being controlled and censored by the IDF. If you don't believe me, here's what I'm talking about. under Israel Defense Forces escort at all times. As a condition for journalists to join this embed with the IDF, media outlets must submit footage filmed in Gaza to the Israeli military sensors for review. That's a bit of an issue. You are not supposed to have one side of the war essentially determine what you can and cannot report,

which footage you can and cannot use. So it's important to know about that inherent bias in the reporting because of the fact that it's controlled by one side of this war. But with that said, I do want to now go to some of the footage that has been debunked. Now, the BBC has, in my opinion, done a better job in sussing out whether or not the IDF is providing legitimate evidence. And the evidence that they have provided so far of Hamas militants operating out of al-Shefa has been flimsy to say the least. Even if this evidence were confirmed as legitimate, it is still not enough evidence to basically justify attacking a hospital like al-Shifa, the largest hospital in the Gaza Strip. With that said, I want to go to the next two videos, because in these videos, you'll see the BBC pouring cold water on the flimsy evidence that has already been provided by the IDF. Let's watch.

Israel also released its own seven-minute video, which BBC verify is analyzed. A watch visible in that video suggests it was filmed a few hours before the BBC arrived. And this IDF video was posted, then deleted, then reposted. This time, without a section referring to an Israeli soldier who'd been held hostage. I don't know when this was used the last time. Also in the video, we see a room with an MRI machine. And if you zoom in and we get it. some light over here. What you'll be able to see are is military equipment.

The BBC was shown the same room. And what we see in the two videos doesn't precisely match. For example, there's one gun in the IDF video, two by the time of the BBC footage. Israel has told BBC verify this is because more weaponry and terrorist assets were discovered throughout the day. Now remember, the argument by the IDF was that the Al-Shefa hospital was being used as a Hamas headquarters, if you will, like a command center. They have now changed their rhetoric a little bit. The United States has changed its rhetoric and how they refer to how the El Shifa Hospital has been utilized by Hamas.

And you'll know exactly what I'm talking about in this next clip. And then we'll go to you, Jank. Let's watch. Israel also says its video is a single shot with no edits. But this appears to be an edit. We don't know the reasons for that edit, nor how significant it is. The IDF, though, says suggestions it's manipulating the media are incorrect. The IDF video also shows military equipment in other locations,

that we can't verify how it came to be there. And what we see in this IDF video doesn't equate to Israel's description of al-Sheifer as an operational command center for Hamas. The US is using a different phrase, saying, Shifa was used as a command and control node. That implies a much smaller facility. Israel is adamant. This hospital was a command center, but for now at least, it's either not found

supporting evidence or it's not sharing it. So, Jank, you now have the IDF, not the IDF, the United States changing its rhetoric from Hamas command center to Hamas node. And you also have the IDF say, well, it appears that Hamas militants. have now fled to the southern region of the Gaza Strip, and we're going to intensify our bombardment there. So by the way, where are Palestinian civilians supposed to go? They know that there's nowhere for Palestinian civilians to go. They don't care, they're going to do the bombardments anyway. So what do you make of what the IDF has provided in terms of evidence so far?

Yeah, it's miserable, and it's embarrassing. It's humiliating, actually. So you got two guns by the time the BBC showed up instead of the one gun you found originally where you say you found and a pair of boots and a couple of flat jackets. Wow, it seems like a real command center over there. I mean, how did they even put out that video? That's embarrassing. It proves that there is no command center. Even the IDF's video does.

The command center only had two weapons. Preposterous, right? And one flag jacket or a couple or something and they pair, come on, come on. It's humiliating. So now it's a node, according to America. Eventually it'll be a molehill. And eventually it'll be like, well, and in fact, this is exactly where they're going now. There are tunnels.

Yeah, but we already knew there were tunnels all across Gaza underneath Gaza. That proves literally absolutely nothing. And that leads to the most important point. The shaft that the IDF showed CNN is not in the hospital. Like they make the whole story sound like, oh, what would? We've got the shaft that leads to a tunnel in the hospital. Well, by the kind of by the hospital. No, it's in the street, it's not in the hospital law.

In fact, during the taping, they go, well, they could go to the hospital over there. You're like, what? So it's not even anywhere near the hospital. So, Jank, I actually want to go to the discovery of the tunnel shaft next. CNN, who of course was embedded with IDF, soldiers reported on that. And even they had to admit that this wasn't solid evidence to justify the bombardment and the absolute destruction of the Al Shifa Hospital, where, of course, you have innocent civilian sheltering for safety. So with that said, let's take a look at that reporting. Now at the hospital compound, we wait inside a structure to make sure the area is secure before moving the short distance to the exposed tunnel shaft.

And here's the entrance. You can see what looks like a ladder accessing to it. And as I step over here, it's very difficult to see how far down it goes. But it looks like there's almost a central shaft for a staircase. And then the shaft of it disappears then down into the darkness. We move around the opening for a better look at the shaft itself. What's clear from here is this is meant to go deep underground. We weren't allowed to enter the shaft. But the Israeli military sent special gear down to see where this leads.

Inside, the video shows a spiral staircase, and as the camera orients itself, it moves forward into a tunnel. The tunnel makes a sharp left turn, and at the end of another path with concrete walls and an arched concrete top, a metal door they say they have not yet opened because they fear it's booby-trapped. This is not proof of a Hamas command center or headquarters underneath the hospital, but Israel continues trying to build its case that Hamas uses the sanctuary of the hospital for cover, which Hamas and hospital officials have denied. So even CNN has to admit that this is not evidence that al-Shifa hospital was being utilized as a Hamas command center.

And I mean, how many days have passed now? I mean, it was last week that they made this claim prior to attacking the hospital. And they have yet to turn up any evidence. And in fact, they are now attacking other hospitals, which we'll get to in just a moment, while simultaneously claiming, well, it looks like Hamas fled to the south, and now we need to increase our bombardment of the south, where we told Palestinian civilians to flee to for safety. Yeah. So this is comical. When I first saw the video, I'm like, wait, how come there's sky above them? There's no roof above them because I thought it was in the hospital, right?

That's what they made it seem like. And you're like, oh, it's not in the hospital. And then at another portion of that CNN interview, even the IDF spokesperson says, well, the tunnel could go under the hospital, that's the best you got. But like by the way, guys, like I said, there's tunnels all across Gaza. Everyone acknowledges that. So it would be surprising if a tunnel didn't go under some buildings. How would they avoid all the buildings? It's a tiny little area, right?

That's not a question. The question is, was there a command center inside the hospital? But the IDF now controls the hospital completely. They took the hospital. So where's the goddamn command center? Oh, right, you were lying the whole time. And now you're pointing to a tunnel not inside the hospital and pretending that it's a leads to a command structure slash node slash moleil that might go to the hospital.

Get out of here. Nothing, zero, total, utter propaganda. And even if it was true that the tunnel leads underneath the hospital, how did bombing the hospital and killing the babies that were on the incubators help you get anyone inside the tunnel? But you see from the tunnel how far, how deep it goes, and it is 0% affected by the bombing. That great irony here is the one thing that the idea proved is that the bombing has no effect on the tunnels. Such a great point. That's such a great point and that's demonstrably true. It is. And so, you know, what's really interesting is the commentary from the doctors who work at these hospitals, many of whom are volunteer doctors from other parts of the world, right?

They argue, first of all, no, Hamas is not using the hospital as a command center. In fact, we as doctors who want to save lives would not agree to operate or work out of hospitals that are being utilized by Hamas militants for these purposes, because it defeats the purpose of what we're trying to do. They know that the IDF doesn't care about civilians in the hospital. They know that the human shields are not justification in the eyes of the IDF to avoid bombing the hospital, schools, UN centers, refugee camps. They know that. So they're not going to risk the lives of their patients by agreeing to work out of hospitals that are being utilized as these command centers by Hamas.

That's the kind of commentary you'll hear from them if you're watching media outside of the U.S. corporate press. which has for the most part been in lockstep with the IDF and the Israeli government. With that said though, I want to go to one other piece of evidence that the IDF has been pointing to, which proves absolutely nothing. They argue that they now have footage demonstrating that Hamas militants took some of the hostages who were kidnapped on October 7th to the hospital, to Al Shifa. So let's take a look at that. The Israeli military released this footage, claiming to show the desperate moments terrorists took two hostages

into al-Shefa hospital, one by stretcher, the other dragged in. On the morning of the October 7th attacks, what happened next, we don't know. The World Health Organization says that same hospital is now a death zone, having been surrounded and cut off by Israeli forces for nearly two weeks. They evacuated 31 premature babies, once given days to live in al-Shefa, now being treated down south, though some of the babies didn't survive the trip. So I want to be clear that the identities and the timestamps of the footage that the IDF shared of the alleged hostages have not been verified. But even if they do end up getting verified, Hamas militants rushing hostages to a hospital is not proof or evidence of them using that hospital as a command center.

It's proof that they were trying to keep them alive. And for leverage, not because they're good guys or anything like that, but the first person was had. blood all over them. Where would you bring them if you wanted them to stay alive? You'd bring him to a hospital? You think that proves that it's a command center? Come on, guys. I mean, this is really the biggest propaganda failure I've seen in my lifetime of covering politics. I mean, the propaganda is so poorly executed. Usually Israel's really good at this, and America's usually really good at this. And when you have both of them working together, they're usually the best in the world, but they're not even trying. I mean, this is comically bad propaganda.

But hold on, Jank. Usually Israel is really good at this. I disagree. Israel has never really needed to prove its case before. This is the first time I've experienced in my career where people are actually questioning the actions of the Israeli government and the IDF. For the first time, I see this international pressure campaign, including people in the United States, engaging in that pressure to see the evidence. And I just think they're rusty because they've never really felt that pressure before. No, that's a great point because how it's worked over the last quarter century, at least, is Israel says something. America repeats it. And everyone in media says, if you dare question it, you're associated with terrorists and anti-Semitic, et cetera.

And if you think that's not true, you're just lying. That's just everybody in America has seen that for the last quarter century. So, but now that remember though, remember the irony of that, and this is really important, but now that blockade is broken and we're having the media report things halfway accurately here in America. And so give credit to American media. So they are not controlled by anyone. They are now independent.

And by the way, a lot of those reporters bring in the good reporting disproving the IDF are Jewish. A lot of the toughest questions asked is by Jewish American anchors to, is it. Israeli ambassadors and spokespeople, et cetera. So I love to see those old anti-Semitic tropes being disproven right now. And so if you're wondering, well, why did it happen in the last quarter century? Yeah, there's different political forces at play, including defense contractors and a lot of different and evangelical Christian community that was a giant block that prevented us

questioning Israel, et cetera, in the past. But now the minute, to Anna's point, the minute you start questioning their propaganda, It becomes super obvious, and yeah, they've gotten soft apparently, at least their propaganda units have, because this is, this can't stand up to any scrutiny. they have failed to provide any legitimate evidence, which would allow for them to attack al-Shifa hospital the way they have, they've decided, you know what, it's all right, we're gonna move on to the next hospital. And that's exactly what's happening now. Specifically, they are surrounding the Indonesian hospital. And I want to give you the details on that.

At another hospital funded by Indonesia, Gaza's health ministry said at least 12 Palestinians were killed and dozens wounded by firing into the competition. encircled by Israeli tanks. There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military about the situation at the hospital where health officials said 700 patients along with staff were under fire from Israeli forces. In fact, the Palestinian news agency Wafa said that the facility in the northeast Gaza town of Bitt Lahia had been hit by artillery fire. Palestinian health officials said that there were frantic efforts to evaluate.

evacuate civilians out of harm's way. So they've moved on. They've moved on to the next hospital where people are sheltering for safety. It doesn't matter. You're in a hospital, they're going to go after it. You're in a UN building for protection. They're going to go after it. They're going to bombard that as well. That's happened multiple times already. Hospital staff denied there was any armed militants on the premises. Israel says its forces in Gaza are attacking terror infrastructure. Come on. And accuse Hamas of waging war behind human shields, including in hospitals. I mean, they just repeat and regurgitate the same tired talking points over and over again, despite having failed to provide evidence of the previous hospital that they attacked, okay?

And there's Nahid Abu Taima, who is a doctor of the Nasser hospital in the southern Gaza city of Khan Yunus. He told Reuters that he's actually worried about. about the fate of his colleagues who have been wounded and the wounded in this hospital, the Indonesian hospital. He said, quote, we had information earlier that tanks were besieging the Indonesian hospital. Unfortunately, communications there are almost cut. We are very concerned about the fate of our colleagues and the fate of wounded and patients, as well as displaced people who may have still been sheltering there. No ambulances can reach them. And we're We're afraid the wounded will die.

And look, you attack 22 of the hospitals in the Gaza Strip, as the IDF has been doing. Where are people supposed to go to get the treatment they need to stay alive after heavy aerial bombardments? How are these hospitals supposed to function without the necessary fuel to operate and run the various machines within the hospital? I just, I think what's happening is so clear that the starvation, the desperation, the desperation, the The bombardments, the artillery fire, the inoperable hospitals where now people can't even get treatment that they need to stay alive. It's unlivable, literally unlivable conditions made so by the IDF on purpose. And we're all supposed to sit here and pretend like they're not targeting civilians. Yeah. So first of all, if you said to me there are militants inside that hospital, go ahead and move the tank over and we're going to fire into the hospital.

hospital, I would say no. I don't care how many militants are in the hospital. As long as there's patients in that hospital, I'm not going to fire into the hospital building. You can call it terrorist infrastructure all you like. It's still a hospital. So you're just using Orwellian language in order to justify the war crimes. So now they, as Anna explained earlier in the show, now they're bombing the south. And their excuse for bombing the south is, well, it looks like some Hamas fighters have moved to the south. And what did you think? think was going to happen. And this is literally on day one, Anna and I got on here and said, they're starting to drop

thousands of bombs in northern Gaza. And they're saying they're doing this because they're going to clear out, they're going to go and attack Hamas there. And I said, why would Hamas stay there? Are they going to go out in the open and be like, hey, here we are. Use your bombs on us right here. No, they're going to use the tunnels to move. And they're obviously going to move to the south.

And then you're going to bomb the south. And that's exactly what's happening now. Now you think that Netanyahu couldn't figure that out? He's like, oh, I bet they stay exactly where they're. Oh, God, gee, they moved a couple of weeks later, huh? No, he knew all along. He knew he was gonna bomb the South. And they had started bombing the South earlier, now there's bombing it a lot more.

Because they're squeezing the population into a tiny little area. And now they started to plant Israeli flags all over the rubble. And so they're saying, basically rubbing it in, going, we killed people here, we buried them, and then we put an Israeli flag over them. And then they can't figure out why Palestinians hate Israel. Like, golly, gee, I don't know. We killed your family members that were civilians. And then we put an Israeli flag to mock them on top of that.

And we told them we're going to occupy you forever. Now they're all, the almost entire Israeli government is talking openly, including their president, about how they're going to keep Gaza. Well, we have to have a security force in there and reoccupy, et cetera. So now there's Israeli flags all across the rubble. and they're now bombing the south and going, ha ha, ha, we're going to keep your land after we killed your civilians, now over 12,000 dead.

Now over 5,000 kids, look, this can't stand. I don't know how it ends, but it doesn't end with Israel squeezing 2.3 million Palestinians into a tiny tract of land, stealing most of Gaza. It doesn't end that way, because it doesn't have anything new with what we say here. They will accidentally unite Shia and Sunni Muslims that have been at war for about 1,500 years.

They will accidentally unite Iran and Saudi Arabia, and they are inviting a wrath that is untold. I hope it doesn't come, but Netanyahu is playing with massive amounts of fire, and he's greatly endangering the Israeli citizens as well as the Palestinians. Absolutely. Well, when we come back from the break, we're going to get into some of these statements coming from Israeli officials, arguments that there is no such thing as non-combatants in the Gaza Strip. Believe it or not, multiple Israeli officials have made such comments publicly, openly, even on national television here in the United States.

So we'll get into all of that and more when we come back from the break. Stick around. All right, back on TYT, Jank, Anna, Anastasia, and E.C.L. They just joined by hitting the join button. Michael Malbon, as an American hero, he upgraded through the join button as well. And Benjamin Memorial gifted a young first membership and Moon Dragon gifted 5 on YouTube. You guys are amazing, we love you, and we do the show with you guys. Anna.

Well, there's another angle of the ongoing war in Gaza that's worth covering. and that is the, well, continued bombardment in the south, but more importantly, what the future holds for the increase of bombardment. So let's talk about that. Early on in the IDF's war in Gaza, they would say that the Israeli, you know, forces are not in any way trying to target Palestinian civilians. In fact, they have been urging them to evacuate and flee norther

Gaza to southern Gaza where they will be relatively safe. But what we do know is that aerial bombardments of the southern region of the Gaza Strip had continued, despite the allegations that these evacuations would lead to safer conditions for Palestinian civilians. Now we're learning that they are planning to basically increase aerial bombardments of the southern part of the Gaza Strip, where many have fled for safety, but many have dealt with bombardments anyway. Those are about to intensify.

So in the south were hundreds of thousands of Ghazans who fled the north of the enclave or sheltering. At least 14 Palestinians were killed in two Israeli strikes on houses, on houses, on homes. Let me just reiterate that in Rafa, according to Gaza health authorities. There was no immediate Israeli comment on the incident. I'd like to also note that at least 50% of the homes in Gaza have been, destroyed, thanks to the airstrikes conducted by the IDF. And I say that because what exactly is supposed to happen when all of this bombing and all

of this shelling ends? Where are Gazans who are already living in a densely populated strip of land supposed to go? And as you know, since so many of them have fled to the southern region of the Gaza Strip, The densely populated region is now even more densely populated, meaning that aerial bombardments are going to kill far more Palestinian civilians. The IDF knows that. The American government knows that. And so at least 1,300 Palestinians have been killed so far, including at least 5,500 children

by unrelenting Israeli bombardment. The United Nations says two-thirds of Gaza's 2.3 million people have been made. homeless. And some 900,000 displaced people are now in UN shelters, which also get bombed, by the way. The UN humanitarian office said in an update on Monday, thousands more displaced people were sleeping against the walls of shelters in the south, out in the open, with an average of one shower for 700 people and one toilet for 150, according to the UN. Okay, so those are the conditions on the ground right now. And it is just torturous. There's death everywhere. And the high civilian death toll will give you a sense of just how careful the IDF has been

with their aerial bombardments. And they'll use the excuse of, well, these poor civilians were used as human shields by Hamas militants. They have failed to provide any evidence that they have killed a, you know, voluminous number of Hamas militants. You know that there are thousands of children who have died as a result of this war. You know that this is the kind of targeting of civilians that tends to lead to more extremism that in the long run does not keep Israeli civilians safe. But the Israeli government continues to do this. The United States government continues to provide cover for it.

And just so we are absolutely certain of what the intentions are here, I want to go to some of the insane statements that you are likely to hear from various Israeli officials, including the president of Israel. His name is Isaac Herzog. He argues that anyone who has engaged in protests against the IDF's actions and in favor of Palestinian civilians should really be looked at closely.

Let's watch. We are faced between a coalition of hate, coalition of I call it darkness, which is a jihadist coalition, which emanates from Tehran, Tehran with its proxies in Lebanon, in Gaza, of course, by Hamas, in Yemen with the Houthis, and of course spreading Islamic fundamentals jihadism all over the world, which wants to erase

all of them, for all of us. If Israel weren't there, then Europe will be next. And the United States, it's for sure next because they call the United States the big Satan. And that is why I think those protesters who are supporting Hamas, they're actually accomplices to the whole notion that you can butcher young children, that you can chop heads of women, that you can rape women and pregnant women, that you can abduct old age Holocaust survivors, and you can do a whole bunch of atrocities because you basically support Hamas. That's what they've done. There is no indication that these protesters are in any way in support of Hamas.

What he's doing there is attempting to silence, protesters who are concerned about the IDF slaughtering children in Gaza, which they have been doing. The high civilian death toll of children in Gaza apparently doesn't matter. The slaughter of those children, not that important. And it's unsurprising that he has that kind of frame of mind, Jenk, considering the statements that came out of Herzog in October, about a week after Hamas' atrocities and terrorist attacks, he said this. It is an entire nation out there that is responsible. It is not true this rhetoric about civilians being aware, not involved. It's absolutely not true.

They could have risen up. They could have fought against the evil regime which took over Gaza in Akutatah. So what he's arguing there is, oh, there's no such thing as Palestinian civilians. They didn't oust Hamas. And so the idea that their non-combatants is ridiculous. That's what he's arguing there. Congratulations, Isaac Herzog, you now agree with Hamas. No ends of surbuts about it, that is the exact logic that Hamas uses.

They say, well, Israeli citizens voted for Netanyahu and voted for these right-wing governments that occupy us and kill us and imprison us unfairly. They have all these hostages that they take all the time, women and children, so we had to kill the Israeli civilians. And that's what we condemn. And we all condemn it together. together, say that's, you should not, you know, kill civilians because of how they voted. Now the president of Israel says, yes, you should. Yes, you should. Not only voting, because he knows now that the great majority of Palestinians in Gaza weren't even alive when that vote happened decades ago, right? So now he says, they had an active responsibility as civilians to

rise up against armed Hamas militants and somehow defeat them with their bare hands. And if they didn't, they deserve to be murdered by us. Congratulations, you agree with Hamas 100%. But we don't. We don't agree with the monstrous actions of Hamas or the monstrous actions of the Israeli president. But now on top of that, he's got a new standard. American civilians. American protesters are now, he said it, you heard it on the tape, accomplices to Hamas. So are you going to murder us too? Because you say, we just quoted you, you think it's okay to murder civilians because we didn't actively fight back against your perceived enemies. So are we, first of all, the American protesters, a lot of more Jewish, by the way.

But you're going to, you think it's their accomplices to Hamas and that according to your standards, it presumably you can kill them. And we didn't rise up against those protesters. So can you kill us too? Who? But most importantly, guys, Israel's not going to bomb us, obviously, right? But most importantly, look at this guy, leader of a foreign country, come in here telling us what to do with our rights and our citizens.

You shouldn't allow your citizens to be opposed to me in my country. I order your country to cancel anyone and to call them terrorists and drive them from the public sphere. Hey, brother, you don't live here. You're not our president. You got nothing to do with us. You pretend to be our ally, all you ever do is get us in trouble, and now you got us dropping bombs on innocent civilians, and now you're bragging about it, driving the whole world to hate us as well as you, and now you're going to order us around and call us accomplices? Nah, take that crap somewhere else.

This is the thing that really gets to me. The arrogance, the underlying arrogance in the messaging there, which essentially tells the American people who are nickel and dime by our own government when it comes to our needs. But when it comes to the needs of the Israeli government, and when it comes to what weaponry they need to carry out their atrocities against the Palestinian people, Americans just need to, Jake, we should shut up, give them the aid that they demand, and just take it. We're not allowed to exercise our freedom of expression within the borders of our own country, according to Isaac Herzog.

And if we do, then that means that we are accomplices to Hamas. We've been very clear. in how we feel about what Hamas did, we did not at all even pause when it came to condemning the atrocities committed by Hamas. But the notion that American citizens, okay, who have been shelling out tax dollars in the form of military aid for Israel need to sit down and shut up and just provide that aid and never criticize what the Israeli government is carrying out against Palestinian civilians in Gaza is ridiculous, and we don't comply. We don't comply. We don't comply. But by the way, some people love to just undermine, you know, these very public statements by saying it's just one Israeli official. It's just one right-wing lunatic within

Netanyahu's government. Come on, don't make too much of this. Okay, well, let's go to one other video. This happened a few days ago on Anderson Cooper show. Let me just preface this by saying Anderson Cooper did not in any way challenge what you're about to hear from a former Israeli intelligence official. His name is Rami Igra. Let's watch what he had to say. The non-combatant population in the Gaza Strip is really a non-existent term because all of the Gazans have voted for the Hamas. And as we have seen on the 7th of October, most of the population in the Gaza Strip are Hamas. Nonetheless, we are treating them as non-combatant. We are treating them as regular civilians and they are spared from the fighting.

No, you are not treating them as civilians, they are not spared in the fighting. You have over 5,000 children who have been slaughtered as a result of the IDF's war in Gaza. And look, he just clearly said it. He doesn't see any of these Gaza civilians, any of these Palestinian civilians, including those babies that we've shown you footage of, as non-combatants. He thinks that they're all, those babies that were just taken off the incubators, at al-Shifa hospital, those are enemy combatants, according to this guy. Because they voted for Hamas back in 2006, more than half of the population in Gaza

wasn't even born in 2006 when Hamas was elected. Yeah, I don't think that American media should have these terrorists. No, I disagree. I think they should have them on. I think they should have them, because they can't help themselves, Jank. They can't help themselves. They tell on themselves all the time. And I am very happy that they are this candid and transparent about what they think about innocent

civilians in Gaza. Because if we say it, if we show you the death tolls, there's always this plausible deniability among defenders of Israel's far right government. But you can't really defend it when members of the far right government are just out and out saying that they don't value the lives of those innocent Palestinian civilians. Then let's be very clear. Those Israeli officials that are advocating for that, that you just saw with your own eyes, are terrorists. Don't tell me that they're not terrorists and tell me the definition of terrorism is advocating for killing civilians.

You just saw them advocate for killing civilians. And they say they're all collectively guilty, just like Hamas says about innocent Israelis. So those guys, including Isaac Herzeg, the president of Israel, is a terrorist. And he brags about being a terrorist. Oh, yeah, I'm going to kill their civilians because they didn't somehow do an armed uprising against Hamas. They had it coming. And by the way, it's not theoretical. He is actually killing their civilians.

It's not one percent hypothetical. You know, there's this thing of like, oh, well, if Hamas could, they drive Israel into the sea. And I'm deeply concerned about that. But that's theoretical. Israel is actually driving Gaza into the sea, actually doing it. And then bragging about it. And then these terrorists come on here and tell us how to conduct our business and how we shouldn't have freedom of speech. And that anyone who disagrees with them should be called a terrorist, even though they're openly advocating in the same exact segment for murdering civilians.

Yep. And then he has the nerve, President Herzog has, the nerve to talk about dead babies. I can talk about how Hamas was brutal and killed those poor babies that didn't deserve it in Israel. I can talk about that because I didn't sanction the killing of other babies. But you come on here and after having killed over 5,000 Palestinian children. And you now have released videos, IDF has released videos of tunnels, completely unaffected by the bombing. All of the bombing didn't, wasn't targeted to Hamas, Hamas is in the tunnels. The only people killed are civilians, the overwhelming majority of the people killed are civilians.

Civilians, and IDF knows that. They know that. So Herzog and the other guy and now many other cabinet members have come out and said, yeah, why don't we just take the land, kill them, and say that they had it coming because they're violent. Because they're violent. No, brother, you're violent. They're also violent, but there's no excuse for it.

But they are rising up against your oppression. They're not occupying you. You're occupying them. You're the one that has broken every international law. You're the one committing war crimes right now. So if I could get rid of Hamas today, I would love to do that. They are Muslim fundamentalists. They've caused nothing but grief for the Palestinian citizens.

But I can't do anything about Hamas. But the good people of Israel can kick out these monsters from their own government, Total utter monsters going around the world bragging about how they kill civilians. And if you don't do that, please don't come and tell us about how you're worried about how American protesters are terrorists. Please, you literally meet the definition. All right, we got to take a break. When we come back, we'll talk about what delivery workers across the country are dealing with, as they are now being targeted by robbers seeking to steal their packages.

And it's just an awful story all around. We've got that and more coming up. Don't miss it. Thanks for listening to the full episode of the Young Turks. Support our work, listen ad-free, access members-only bonus content, and more by subscribing to Apple Podcasts at apple.com slash t-y-t. I'm your host, Shank Huger, and I'll see you soon. Thank you.