The Young Turks - Death of MAGA?

Episode Date: November 27, 2025

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I'm at you have your host Anna Kasparendi, I'm your host Anna Kasparian, and well today, the GOP, Civil War rages on We're gonna get into that. And there are some new revelations that don't look so great for Alan Dershowitz in the released Epstein files. We have some emails, some files that we're gonna get into, and we're learning about, well, just how close Alan Dershowitz's relationship with Epstein really happened to be. So I can't wait to share the details of that story. Also, remember how the Trump administration was buying, you know, basically parts of very various corporations with U.S. taxpayer money and the whole argument was, well, if these

companies grow, well, the American taxpayers get to benefit, which I agree with. Turns out there's also something in it for him as well. So we'll talk a little bit about essentially inflating the bonds, the bond market and benefiting from inflating it by getting the government to essentially buy debt belonging to various corporations that have been struggling. So we'll get to that as well, but I just want to say it is Thanksgiving Eve and more than anything, I want to thank my team. I want to thank Kate Bettino, Taylor Ellis, Alyssa Salmons. These are three individuals who work really, really hard on this show, on the production of this show. And of course, on top of that, we have an incredible graphics team, video editors.

I would not be able to do this show without all of the people who work so hard on it, day in, day out, without any complaints. So while I sometimes get all sorts of praise from our wonderful, beautiful audience members, and I do always appreciate that, and I do appreciate the constructive feedback as well. I just want to make sure that I'm giving a shout out to the people who also make this show happen. I wouldn't be able to do it without them. I also want to thank one other person today, and that's the loving, wonderful gentleman who watches the show regularly and sends me stuff like this. Art guy sent me another beautiful painting of my baby boy Charlie.

So thank you. This is again from the art guy. He's so talented and I just feel incredibly fortunate to have the kind of audience we have and to be able to work in the kind of environment I work in. All right, without further ado, let's get into our first story. Recently unveiled Epstein files now prove that Steve Bannon was working on a document to essentially paint Jeffrey Epstein in a positive light up until the exact day the pedophile was arrested in 2019. Not a good look. Now remember, we've talked about the fact that Steve Bannon

had hours and hours of interview footage with Epstein, that for whatever reason, he hasn't released. And it appears that the interviews he was doing with Epstein really had to do with a Netflix documentary that was again supposed to paint Epstein in a very positive light. So let me give you some more details on that. This revelation, by the way, has led to members of Bannon's audience expressing absolute rage over his relationship with Epstein. And so we're going to get to their comments and their concerns in just a moment. I think it's important to hear from them. But first, let's talk about the Epstein documentary itself. So in late 2018, Netflix began producing their own documentary about Jeffrey Epstein.

Now around that same time, the Miami Herald, if you can remember, was working on publishing exposés on Epstein's crimes and more importantly, how he was protected by our institutions, or at least members within our institutions. Remember, he got that sweetheart deal in the early aughts, which allowed him to leave prison and essentially get like a slap on the wrist, especially when you take into consideration the predatory, disgusting, abusive behavior that he was engaging in. Now Epstein and Bannon started to put together a PR counter offensive to the Netflix documentary. Okay, so per the Guardian, by April, the two were apparently planning a film production that

would redeem Epstein's reputation on April 30th, Epstein wrote, the Christians I met will feel the media portraying me as beyond redemption is deeply troubling and offensive. I'm gonna venture to say that we have plenty of Christians watching this show right now. You guys write in and tell me. Is Epstein the kind of guy who should be considered beyond redemption, considering the fact that he sexually abused, I mean, many, many young girls and got away with it for a very long time. I mean, it's interesting how he was planning to use religion as a way to manipulate

the American people in order to see him in some sort of positive light when make no mistake about it. This guy was a predator. So there's more. Bannon responded to that saying, yes, yes, yes, of course, but we must counter rapist who traffics in female children to be raped by world's most powerful richest men. That can't be redeemed. Well, at least Bannon was right about that. Now, there's more. Can't redeem unredeemable. You are a lot of things, which we will show, but you are not that. So basically, Steve Bannon here is trying to make a point about, look, if we allow the actual reality to set in about who you really are, that's a problem. So we need to kind of manipulate the situation so you are not presented,

or people question the fact that you are presented as this, you know, person who preys on female children. And so Bannon reportedly filmed 15 hours of interview footage featuring Jeffrey Epstein for this documentary that never came out, and he and Bannon were communicating on the very day that Jeffrey Epstein was arrested in 2019. Bannon wrote, if we arrange it, can we film on the island? And of course he was referring to little St. James, Epstein agreed, by the way. Later, Bannon asked the following, can we do late morning, say, 11 a.m.? Epstein replied, all canceled.

Minutes later, Epstein was arrested. So the real question is, when is Banning going to release all that footage, the interview that he was essentially coordinating with Epstein on specifically to help him counter the narrative that he was in fact a pedophile who was essentially abusing countless young girls and getting away with it. I mean, I think the release of the Epstein files obviously is incredibly important. And from what we've already seen released, I mean, there have been some massive revelations, many of which, by the way, our corporate media has decided to completely ignore.

Anything that ties Jeffrey Epstein to the Israeli government or prominent members of the Israeli government is completely ignored, neglected by our corporate media. Now, this has to do with Steve Bannon. So suddenly there seems to be a little more interest in what the revolution. of these files happen to be. You know, if you frame it in a partisan political perspective, all of a sudden, corporate media is interested. And I want to make clear, as I have previously,

I don't care about the partisan angle to this, because there are bad actors on both sides, as our, you know, coverage of this has made pretty clear. Now, let's talk a little bit about Bannon's audience, because as we learn more about Steve Bannon's relationship with Epstein, members of Bannon's own audience to their credit, are turning on him, they're being incredibly critical of him, and it shows that these are individuals who actually are motivated by their own principles, their own values, they're not

an occult. And again, I commend them for that. So Media Matters for America compiled an enormous list of commenters giving ban in a piece of their mind, and I want to give you a few examples of that with their names redacted. So Steve advising Epstein how to sugarcoat his depravities. I've been watching Steve for six hours per day since 2020. I'm so done with the MAGA whisper, hypocrisy is not only Democrats disease. So now that the mask is off, I hope that those who supported Bannon, even as he stole money allegedly, from individuals who were donating to a phony fundraising effort that he put together to build the border wall, realized that he realized, No, we weren't lying to you.

Okay, the charges that he was facing are serious charges. He stole from the very people who believed in him, who trusted in him, who actually thought he was serious about building that border wall. He took that money and according to the allegations, just put it in his pocket. He stole from his own supporters. And there's nothing more scummy than that. Well, there is actually helping a predator who, you know, rapes young girls to clean up his image and launch a counter-narrative to an upcoming Netflix documentary that paints him in a more accurate light. Let's go to some more of the comments from Steve Bannon's, I guess, former supporters. So one other person writes, release your Epstein footage, Bannon.

I'm disappointed in you, man, I feel like you lied to us. I was a fan and follower, and now I don't think I can trust you anymore. There is nothing more valuable than trust, knowing that your audience trusts you. And to just brazenly lie to people or to present yourself in a way that is so deceptive, especially in regard to your own moral character, you're eventually going to get caught. All things dark come to light. But there's more. One other person writes, Republican Party is dead thanks to Trump.

WTF has he accomplished for the people. He's Israel first, not America first. The economy is no better than Biden's economy. I'm done with voting because it's not for the people, just the corrupt Israel bought neocons. Bannon, you're a piece of, you know what? He was Epstein's PR guy. What a liar, no different than Trump, sad how this country has been soul to Israel.

So when you have a ground swell of support from American voters on the right, independence, I mean, when you think about the broad coalition that allowed President Donald Trump to win in 2024 with a popular vote, well, obviously that coalition is fragile. And what appealed to these individuals was this claim that, no, no, no, we really need to put America first. But what is now kind of coming out in regard to what the real agenda is for the Trump administration and what the real priorities have been for various individuals in Trump circle, it's just obvious that it's not about taking care of the American people first. Why would you feel this need to sign up to help Epstein launch a counter narrative

to a documentary that's coming out. And look, the other thing is, I don't believe Bannon when he's critical of Israel. I just don't. I think he sees that there's a sizable portion of Republican voters, conservative voters, especially when it comes to younger conservative voters. He sees how they feel about Israel, and he talks the talk. But behind the scenes, make no mistake about it. I mean, Bannon has been and always will be a hardcore Zionist.

I mean, what happened that made him change his mind? And if he's really America first, why would he allegedly steal the money that was donated to his fundraising campaign to build the southern wall, which as we all know, MAGA cares about deeply? So one of the comments that I read was from a, I guess now former Bannon supporter who says, I don't even want to vote anymore. Don't do that. That's exactly what people want.

That's what people in positions of power want. The real question is, moving forward, are American voters going to do a better job identifying the con men? Because make no mistake, there are tons of con men and women who want power. They want to accumulate power, not to make this country better, but to enrich themselves. And so don't fall prey to the way corporate media covers the horse race, the nonsense, you know, partisan framing oftentimes. will blind you to the real vulnerabilities of these politicians and what their actual agendas happen to be. And when you kind of see things outside of a partisan lens and you're able to judge the candidates on a case by case basis, look at their records, see whether or not you can

confirm the claims they're making about themselves and their records. That's going to lead you to the right direction, in my opinion. At least it did with me when it came to Tulsi Gabbard. Right, Tulsi Gabbard, if you guys can remember, presented herself as like this hardcore progressive. I just looked at a record and her record did not bear that out at all. And so I got a lot of hate for, you know, being one of the first who pointed to her record and said, hey, you know what, just be a little careful about how she's presenting herself. I don't really think this is the identity that you can see from her past and what she's voted on, how she's voted and how she's commented on things like torture, for instance, which prior to.

to running for president, she was on the record defending torture. So pay close attention because these people want to lie to you because they want positions of power. Unfortunately, the way our political system works, it does not incentivize truth tellers. It incentivizes basically telling the American people exactly what they want to hear and then pulling the rug out from underneath them as soon as they are able to win these positions of power. So we'll see how this develops, but we can kind of understand now why so many powerful people didn't want the Epstein files to be released.

Well, as the Trump administration spends billions in taxpayer dollars to buy ownership stakes in private companies, like Intel, for instance. The president is also making sure that he personally profits from this. So I have mixed feelings about this story, mainly because Trump is getting a lot of flack from members of the left and right in regard to his administration's tactic here, in which the federal government, you know, buys ownership stakes in various private companies. I like that. I don't think he deserves flag for that because I think it makes a lot more sense to stop forcing Americans to provide their taxpayer dollars for grants for these corporations,

which they never benefit from, of course. We never benefit when our government just hands over money to various corporations or subsidies to various corporations. How about if we're giving you money, we should own some of the stakes here, right? And so I like that Trump is doing this. But what I I always wondered about was, what's in it for him? What is in it for him? Because everything else Trump has done as president, both in his first term and second term, has made clear to me that he doesn't do anything

unless he himself is going to personally benefit from it. And now we have our answer, thanks to this pretty incredible expose written by the New York Times. So let's get to the nitty gritty. So this revelation was reported in a new piece in the New York Times, which highlights the Trump administration's somewhat unusual snapping up of ownership shares in private companies.

So more than $10 billion in taxpayer funds have already been spent buying stakes in firms. The government has deemed important to national security. I think semiconductor chips is a perfect example of that. So the government's growing portfolio of corporate ownership involves minority stakes or the option to take them in the future in at least nine companies involved in steel, minerals, nuclear energy, and semiconductors. So to me, that makes sense. And that, in my opinion, goes along with the narrative that the president is trying to sell to us, that these are items that are important to America and our national security. And they should be manufactured here

in the United States. So Intel was really struggling. And when the government, under Trump, came in and essentially started buying shares of Intel. Yes, he helped to save Intel, but I thought that was an important thing to do because we do want to manufacture semiconductor chips here rather than abroad, right? So as the Times explains, some officials are hopeful the equity stakes will generate a windfall for taxpayers. But the likelihood of that is unclear. Many of the companies are facing financial headwinds, and some could take years to become profitable. So three months ago, we did talk about the largest deal to date, and that was when the federal government took a 10% stake in Intel in exchange for $8.9 billion

in taxpayer money. Now, Intel is a chipmaker, and it's been struggling to keep up with competitors. I should note, one of the things that annoyed me about the Intel situation here is that rather Other than investing in innovation, they did spend quite a bit of money on corporate stock buybacks to artificially inflate the value of their shares. But nonetheless, Trump comes in and he offers $8.9 billion in taxpayer money. So we as a country now have a 10% stake in Intel. Now again, I'd rather do that than just hand over the money and not have any ownership of Intel at all.

So we'll see how Intel performs moving forward. But that was the thinking, at least that's what Trump said his thinking was when it came to this decision. Now the government argued that funding Intel in exchange for equity was necessary for national security since chips, of course, are used in many industries including telecommunications, the automotive industry, even medicine, and they hope that propping up Intel would help bring the manufacturing of semiconductor chips back to the United States. Now, the decision, as I mentioned earlier, was met with a lot of backlash on both sides

of the political aisle, and they're essentially accusing President Donald Trump of engaging in socialist policy, because of course they are. But so far, I have no problem with what the Trump administration is doing. The problem comes in when it becomes clear that this isn't really about ensuring that American taxpayers own shares of these companies that need help in order to survive. looks like it's a little bit of a pumping and enriching yourself type situation when it comes to the value of these shares. So let's get to the details on that. What we didn't know, at the time at least, was that Trump was angling to profit himself. So a public filing from

the Office of Government Ethics shows that shortly after that agreement was made, President Trump personally purchased between $1 million and $5 million worth of Intel's corporate debt. So here we're talking about bonds, okay? In other words, Trump is parlaying his own public policy into a payday for himself. So he'll receive interest payments from Intel until the corporate bond he bought, meaning the debt that he bought, matures and the principal is repaid. And while the taxpayer-funded infusion of cash, and in the meantime, that taxpayer-funded infusion of cash is going to essentially help Intel boost its profits. So on August 25th, he posted on truth social, quote, I love seeing there's, he loves to tell on himself, doesn't he?

I love seeing their stock price go up, making the USA richer and richer. He's making himself richer, let's be clear about that. Then he purchased the Intel, then he purchased the Intel bonds on August 29th. So he makes that post August 25th, then he purchases the bonds August 29th. So while that was the most direct evidence of, let's just keep it real, a corrupt act in these ownership deals, there are some subtle examples I can give you as well, and they are outlined in the New York Times piece. So for instance, in early November, the government announced an equity deal with Vulcan Elements, which is a North Carolina-based startup making

rare earth magnets. They call them magnets. No one's ever used that word before, magnets. So the company offered the government equity and warrants in return for $50 million from the Commerce Department and $620 million from the Defense Department. The company has received investment from several venture funds, including 1789 capital, where the president's son, Donald Trump Jr. is a partner. Seems like a little bit of a conflict of interest, no? Maybe a little bit. But anyway, Trump is profiting off companies that are receiving government contracts. That's basically what the heart of this story is. So according to new financial disclosures, Trump bought up to $6 million worth of corporate bonds in Boeing. And according to the documents, Trump bought between $1 million and $5 million worth of Boeing bonds on August 28th.

On September 19th, he bought more Boeing bonds worth between half a million and a million dollars. And while he's been investing in Boeing, the Defense Department has been doling out multi-billion dollar contracts to them. In March, Trump announced that Boeing would receive a $20 billion development contract for the F-47 fighter jets. I mean, because poor Boeing. Well, I mean, what else would Boeing be able to do without the help of government chief? right, without the help of these investors. And look, private investors, retail investors, you want to invest in Boeing, there's no law against that.

But what I'm having issue with here is that it seems as though Trump is using taxpayer money to help increase the value of the shares for these corporations that he is also investing in simultaneously. You get what I'm saying? It's it's a scheme to enrich himself and to increase his own return on investment. And Trump isn't stopping at Intel and Boeing, of course. So he's bought bonds for META, Home Depot, CVS Health, J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, United Health Group. In the meantime, unemployment is increasing pretty rapidly.

There's some new reporting out about tens of thousands of people losing their jobs every month. at the same time, you know, cutting interest rates in response to growing unemployment is supposed to help, but it's not helping, meaning that we are entering, you know, stagflation, which is pretty disastrous for our economy. So a lot of Americans are feeling the pain in their pocketbooks, especially as the holidays are happening already. I mean, the Thanksgiving is tomorrow. So like my heart breaks for what's happening in the country and in the meantime, you know, these deals are kind of being sold to the American people as a big win for U.S. taxpayers, but the real motive here isn't

about doing what's best for American taxpayers, it's about inflating the value of the shares for these companies, which again, Trump is simultaneously investing in. All firms, by the way, all the firms that I listed earlier do stand to gain from government handouts and deregulation. So in total, Trump appears to have bought at least 185 million dollars worth of corporate and municipal bonds since the start of his presidency. Fun. So that's what we're dealing with here folks. And I think as these stories come out, they're starting to pack more of a punch than they had in Trump's first term. Because you can't present yourself as America first when you're using the office of the presidency to enrich yourself

as the American people struggle economically. You can't claim to be America first when you're priorities seem to be on other foreign countries as opposed to doing what's best to represent the American people and alleviate some of the economic pain that they are struggling with at the moment. So we'll see. We'll see what the reaction or response would be to a story like this from Trump's own base, but make no mistake about it. If this were any other administration, any other president, this is a massive scandal. But when it's Trump, it's barely a blip on the radar. All right, let's take a break when we come back. We'll talk a little bit about the ongoing civil war within the Republican Party.

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all right let's get to our next story if he invades if he invades venezuela or gives more money to Ukraine, his movement will dissolve. The American dream will officially be dead and millions of voters will forever associate MAGA with its decline. Welcome to the midterms. Welcome to 2028. This is the barrel of the gun that we are looking down. I was done with MAGA at the moment he looked us in the face and he said what files, right? What, what are we still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? Pam Bondi said it was a Democrat hoax. No, I think the entire nation has been hoaxed by Republicans and Democrats. MAGA is dead. Now we're in the America first debate. Soon it's going to be the America only debate.

Does voting matter anymore? I don't know. This, I'm just, I don't know whether voting matters so much. Like, looking back, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I mean, we didn't really have much of a option here, but I mean, we still we thought, but he's, nothing I voted for happened. Listen, regardless of where you land on the political spectrum, I think we could all admit, Sean Ryan is all of us in what he said in that clip, because I think most Americans feel disappointed with the politicians they support, vote in favor of, and then they, again, like to pull the rug from underneath you, and they don't live up to their promises. But that is ripping the GOP base, the Republican base apart at this moment, and it really has to do with the performance of the Trump administration in relation to the various promises that were made by President Trump on the campaign trail. And I really do want to give the various people that we're about to hear from credit for just doing an honest analysis of the job President Trump is doing in his second term.

because I can't stand partisan shillery, okay? And there's a lot of that going on where people are so blinded by their, you know, loyalty to their tribe that they are unable to see how their own favored politicians are either screwing them over or not living up to expectations. I think the only way things will get better in this country is if we are willing to see these politicians for who they are and judge them based on the job that they're doing. And it's not gonna matter if a Democrat is critical of the Trump administration. It matters way more when members of the Republican Party, the Republican base,

specifically voters are willing to hold their politicians feet to the fire. And the same is true of Democrats in regard to Democratic politicians. So let's talk a little bit about what's going on because this Republican Civil War continues to ripple through the party as the result of President Donald Trump, in their words, betraying the America first crowd. And as you just saw, conservatives are noticing that foreign countries and corporate donors are the only ones becoming great again. But ordinary Americans are still struggling to get by.

So this is a story about priorities, about the current economic situation in the United States and more. Meanwhile, the vast majority of congressional Republicans are essentially following Trump's orders, bowing their heads. There are a few exceptions, but those are the individual. you know, people like Thomas Massey, for instance, who have to deal with the viciousness of Donald Trump over, you know, Massey's unwillingness to be blindly loyal to him, even when he doesn't agree with what Trump is doing. So there are, again, a select few congressional

Republicans who are trying to do the right thing here, like Senator Rand Paul, who I disagree with politically on pretty much everything, with the exception of foreign policy. I think the more libertarian-leaning politicians are better on foreign policy than Republicans and honestly these days even Democrats. So why don't we get to the next clip and hear what Rampal has to say? Lindsay Graham has not changed his positions, but he's clever and he's become very close to the president and influences the president. Same with Marco Rubio. So the pending invasion or regime change war in Venezuela is is hatched by those people. Actually think Trump is the one who is least likely to want to do these things, but he's surrounded by people

who believe in regime change and are goading him on. I do think, though, that if he invades Venezuela or if he approves significant arms sales, which are really gifts to Ukraine or more welfare to Ukraine, if he does either of those, the rift with Marjorie Green will pale in comparison to what happens to his movement. If he invades, if he invades Venezuela or gives more money to Ukraine, his movement will dissolve. So if you're spending a lot of time on X, chances are you're seeing a lot of posts from people who purport to be on Team Trump, totally supporting the idea of military action against Maduro in Venezuela. However, that's not reality. Because if you When look at the polling, upward of 70% of Americans are against the US military going

into Venezuela to do a regime change war, only 30% are in favor. And so a sizable portion of Republican voters don't want this. Remember, they voted for Trump because he was the guy who's like, I will not start any new wars. Well, now it looks like he's poised to start a new war that is totally avoidable. Now, Nicholas Maduro, I don't have love for him, okay? But I don't I don't care to go in, risk the lives of our soldiers and expend resources we do not have as a country that's currently drowning in tens of trillions of dollars in debt.

I just don't think it's a smart move to invade, especially when Maduro is like, what do you want, Trump, I'll do whatever you need me to do. What do you want? You want the oil, let's make a deal. So there are opportunities to solve whatever Trump thinks he needs to solve through diplomacy, but he doesn't want to do that, which I think is incredibly strange. So again, he does appear poised to go to war with Venezuela. Hopefully he'll pull back, but we don't know yet. thing from being a left winger is even calling Trump out on this.

Let's take a look at what he has to say. You don't have to be a genius to understand what's happening. So I'll make it simple for you. A few weeks ago, he had a dinner in the White House for the tech titans, Microsoft, Facebook, Google. They all had dinner with Trump. They all hated him during the election. Then they all turned around and loved him and paid for the ballroom. And in return, they got H-1B visas for lower paid workers in plain English.

When you make promises and you repeat those promises over and over and over again on the campaign trail, you can't then turn around and break every single one of those promises and expect your base to continue supporting you. Now, Trump got away with a lot more in the first term. But to be fair, I think that he actually did provide some cookies to his base in the first term. This time around, I've seen him enrich himself quite a bit. I've seen the Trump administration focus on, you know, sending more and more military aid abroad. The war in Ukraine rages on. I thought it was going to be over in 24 hours once Trump is in office, once he's inaugurated.

Obviously, that didn't happen. Obviously, he wasn't serious in saying that it was going to end in 24 hours. But obviously the foreign policy issues that he treated as if they were just like simple things that he can just manage immediately are way more complex, way more complicated than he made them out to be. And so again, when you break all these promises, there will be political, you know, ramifications to that. I want to skip ahead to Rahim Qasem, who is the former editor-in-chief of Breitbart London. He wrote the following. President Trump must quickly return to his own populist roots and campaign pledges, rather than entertaining the big

pharma or big bank bosses and floating non-starter ideas like 50 year mortgages. I mean, obviously, I agree with him on that. 50-year mortgages are slap in the face for Americans who are struggling to buy homes in the tightest housing market, I mean, probably ever. We are having a crisis because of the lack of inventory. And what has Trump done in regard to private equity buying up homes? Nothing. What has Trump done in terms of spurring the development of new homes?

Nothing. He has focused on foreign policy quite a bit. He has focused on, you know, manipulating various federal government deals with corporations so he can enrich himself, which was an incredible expose that was reported by the New York Times just this week. But in regard to bettering the quality of life for the American people and his base in particular, well, they're just not seeing it. And they're right in calling him out on this. There's more.

So on the topic of 50 year mortgages, Savannah Hernandez, who's lovely. I disagree with her politically, but we've had her on her take. And she's just, she's a reporter. She's a conservative reporter, but she's also, you know, interested in the facts. this case, she's calling out the 50 year mortgages. She says, we voted for home affordability, and we were given 50 year mortgages and debt slavery. Americans voted to feel safe, prioritized, and protected. And every time we try to voice our concerns, we are labeled as anti-Maga, anti-Israel, or anti-Trump for bringing forth substantial criticism of the direction

of the party. And again, everyone we've cited so far is a conservatives. These are not leftists. These are not Democrats. These are not liberals. And there's more. If they're clearly furious with Trump, by the way, they should keep doing what they're doing. Because the only way to ensure that your party's representatives and your president is carrying out the promises that were made on the campaign trail is if you as conservatives are willing to hold his feet to the fire. Because Trump's not going to care what liberals think or what Democrats think obviously. The only people that he does seem to care about at least a little bit is his own base. So let's get to some other examples. Look, Tucker Carlson hasn't really

been, you know, like a little wilting flower when it comes to being critical of the Trump administration. So he explained how the Republican Party has been hijacked by its donors. And that is absolutely true. That's not novel in our political system. The same is true of the Democratic Party. But nonetheless, let's take a look at what he had to say. Does the Republican Party exist to help its voters, every voter actually, every citizen? Or does it exist for some other boutique corrupt reason, like serving a foreign government, serving your donors? And I do think that's the argument. I think that's the argument that Trump started when he ran in 2015. It was not about make America great again, which everyone is for who wouldn't be for that. It's about America first,

the idea behind Macca, America first. Just put your country first. If you're its leader, you don't have to put America first. You're just a citizen. But if you're running the country, you have a moral obligation to put its citizens before all others. It's not a controversial idea. It's the only idea. By the way, that's the Fentist. That's the actual Fentz message. I'm not an expert of Fuentes. Okay, I interviewed him. But from what I could tell, he is angry because he feels that the conservative establishment, you know, Ben Shapiro all the way up to some idiot Republican senator. All of them are telling the same lie.

We're on your side, but they're not. And in 2016, when Bernie voters, a sizable portion of Bernie Sanders' supporters and voters on the Democratic side, switch sides and ended up voting for Donald Trump, it wasn't because they were enamored with, you know, a funny looking man who presents himself as a tremendously successful billionaire. No, no, they voted for him because of the populist messaging. And you can't continue to pretend as though you're an economic populist as Americans are getting absolutely crushed by our economy. And as they're being crushed by our economy, Trump turns around and does what the Biden

administration did. Gaslight voters, tell voters, no, this is the greatest economy that's ever, that's ever occurred in the United States. Now, to be fair to Biden, he didn't say that. But I do remember the endless commentary from supporters of the Democratic Party, from members of Biden's administration, just chiding anyone who complained about the economy. No, no, what are you talking about? GDP's doing great. Yeah, but inflation was crushing Americans. And, you know, acknowledging corporate price gouging after the fact, isn't really going to help anyone, is it? So nothing wakes people up faster. Nothing makes Americans more clear-eyed about our current political situation

than a bad economy. Because you can't lie about a bad economy. People feel it in their personal lives. They feel it every single day. And so I'm really happy to see that there are people on the right who are willing to stand up and say to Trump and the Trump administration overall, you aren't delivering for us. Again, the only thing that makes our political system better is if voters are willing to call out members of their own party. Because again, Trump is only going to care about his base. Democrats are only going to care about their base. If they're getting negative feedback from voters on the other side of the aisle, well, you're not going to vote for me anyway, who cares? But when your own base is furious with the job you're doing,

you're more likely to listen. And honestly, Trump's priorities in this term have been all over the place. It's all about him. And it's all about, you know, his donors, the tech industry. I mean, he is fighting tooth and nail right now to ensure that states will not be able to regulate artificial intelligence within their own state borders. Why is he doing that? Could it be because the tech industry heavily funded his campaign? Yeah, that's what it's about. Is AI data centers something that voters, Trump voters were thinking they were signing up for? AI data centers in their own neighborhoods, their own communities, which will jack up energy prices in their own neighborhoods, their own communities. Is that what they signed up for when they cast their ballots for Donald Trump?

I doubt it. So yeah, people are getting increasingly angry and I don't blame them. And while I didn't vote for Trump and I know for a fact, Trump would never care what I have to say, I'm living in this economy as well. And I see the pain. I see the suffering and running on making America great again and then leading the country in this way, it's going to lead to backlash. And I'm happy to see it.

All right, let's take a break when we come back for our last segment. God, there's so much to get into, including what Alan Dershowitz was up to in smearing some of my favorite academics. We'll be right back. I just love you. I don't want to waste any time. Let's get right to our next story. What the right needs to actually say, and again, it's politically unpopular. letter. But they do need to say this, listen, if you're failing in life, if you're failing in

life, yes, we can get the obstacles out of your way, but kind of, it's a little of your fault. It's a little of your fault. You should actually pick your ass up and go out and do something useful. And this notion that you as a Gen Z male are facing these obstacles that no other human has faced for all of human history, like read a book for ones. Like, seriously, like go talk to your grandfather. But there are people who will say, we shouldn't give aid to Ukraine and we shouldn't give aid to Israel and we shouldn't give aid to Egypt and we shouldn't give a to out of your, fine. Okay, I think that's stupid. I think that's, I mean, that's poorly thought out. No aid to Americans in regard to U.S. taxpayer money, but aid to foreign countries, you got to do it,

of course. Now, while Ben Shapiro makes the case that young and disaffected Americans should essentially stop whining and pick themselves up by the bootstraps, he also manages to argue in favor of U.S. military aid for Israel. And as you just heard from that clip, other foreign countries as well. And he makes these points hilariously in the context of the exact same panel discussion. So let's get into it because this is pretty incredible. So what prompted a bit of a crash out that you're about to witness really centered on the topic, of course, of Nick Fuentes, because of course, I feel like that's the only topic that's being discussed right now in these circles at these conferences.

And so what's behind Nick Fuentes' popularity? Why is this happening? Like, that's the real question that keeps coming up in the context of these conferences. And while I think there's a legitimate argument to be made about, you know, young, disaffected men who feel left behind by both American culture and especially by the economy, looks like Ben Shapiro has a different argument. So look, there's no question that Nick Fuentes says both incredibly offensive, terrible things. But on top of that, he tends to speak to the frustrations that young American males are currently experiencing.

And that needs to be addressed. But instead of addressing it, the name calling an ad hominem attacks happen. What also doesn't help is what you're about to see from Ben Shapiro. The Androtate thing is, is a great comp for what's happening with Fuentes. Fentz is the political version of Advertate. It's just to burn it all down. We hate all of this. All the institutions have been thoroughly destroyed.

And so now we just have to get rid of whatever superstructure remains, just tear down the facade. What about the 20-year-olds who are trying to find their way in this movement and in this country? What young men really want to do is actually go build things. They actually want to go out and forge into the world and be useful and be productive. And this is why you'll hear complaints. Oh, I can't get married anymore. I can't buy a house. I mean, you can.

But that's a thing that you're being told over and over. You can't get married. Why can't you get married? Right, I can't have... Yes, you certainly can have kids. I can't buy a house. No, you actually can. You just have to move out of New York...

I got so much crap for this last week. You just might have to move out of New York City and, like, go check out Texas. One of the things that I would love to see the right do with young men is actually do a little bit more tough talk with them. I think that the right is actually weirdly feminizing young men by giving them a victimology to buy into. If you're failing in life,

If you're failing in life, yes, we can get the obstacles out of your way. But kind of, it's a little your fault. It's a little your fault. You should actually pick your ass up and go out and do something useful. And this notion that you as a Gen Z male are facing these obstacles that no other human has faced for all of human history, like read a book for one. Like, seriously. The reason why it's offensive to tell young Americans that if they can't afford the neighborhoods they grew up in and, have roots in is because those roots include their family members, their friends.

Getting priced out of the community that you grew up in is infuriating, especially when you have no solutions at all from the very people that are supposed to represent Americans in their best interests, and that's these politicians who are pretty much useless. And it's offensive when there aren't any solutions at all, period. I don't want to move to Texas, right? I want to stay here where my family is. And that's why you have more and more young Americans. I'm talking about when I say young, I'm talking about the Americans in their late 20s, early 30s.

They want to stay close to their families. They can't afford the housing. So they move in with their grandmas. Okay, or they move in with their parents. And it is incredibly frustrating to see how much more difficult it is for younger generations to just reach the typical. milestones in life that previous generations were able to get to much earlier than younger generations are able to today. So that's not a solution, essentially telling Americans in a

rigged economic system where more and more wealth is getting concentrated at the very top, it is not a solution to tell them to shut up, buck up, and stop whining. And you can't on one hand, you know, chide Americans for their victim mentality while aiding and abetting the victim mentality that we hear incessantly from the government of Israel. We're going to get to that in just a minute. But first, a little more of the crash out. Judaism values the idea that you're supposed to forge force into the world and you have moral duties that you're supposed to do every single day. These are things that you're required to do every single day. And that you're a loser if you don't. Really, you're a loser and you're making your life worse. Okay, we shouldn't be shy about

this. I think that we're all too shy about this sort of stuff with the young men, particularly. We say, oh, well, you know, well, if you choose not to, that's why if you should, no, no, no, your life will be worse and you will be a loser if you don't do these things that are going to make your life better. If you listen to Nick Flintes, you're likely to be a loser. He is a loser. He is a basement dwelling, ridiculous loser who spends his days ranting on the internet to a bunch of other basement dwellers. Don't be one of those people. You have to dismantle the actual substance of the arguments that Nick Fuentes is making. Calling him a loser and then addressing his audience as a group of losers is only going to make the very issue you care deeply about Ben a lot worse.

How does he not see this? And this is the thing, Ben is doing okay financially, as we can all imagine. And sometimes what ends up happening when you're doing real well, economically, financially, you become disconnected from the reality on the ground for the vast majority of Americans. So rather than telling these young men to go read a book because they're losers in their mom's basements, how about you step outside your studio and have conversations with real people and talk to them about what they're going through? And if you don't want to, that's okay. I mean, I can help you out. Because I have specific examples of specific Americans and what they've been going through.

So keep in mind, our economy currently has a problem with inflation, rising unemployment, a housing shortage, severe housing shortage, private equity snatching up homes, despite the fact that we have limited inventory of homes to buy, which is making the situation worse. And our government is sending foreign countries hundreds of billions of dollars as our people are suffering. So like I don't watch Nick Fuentes, but I'm angry. How could I not be angry? How can you see what's happening on the ground in this country? Okay, people living in squalor on the streets.

Close to 100,000 Americans dying of drug overdoses every year. every year, how do you look at those statistics and think to yourself, you know what? The people who are struggling right now, they're the problem. And look, I get it, I get, you know, there's definitely some people who love to wallow in self-pity don't think they have any agency and just think that things should be handed to them. But is that the real problem right now? No, that's not the real problem right now.

It's not. When you have people who are coming into college because they think I need to get this college degree, otherwise I'm not going to get hired anywhere, and they leave with hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, because yeah, at this point, higher education has become quite a bit of a scam. How do you not speak out against that system? How do you think that it's okay for so many Americans to, I mean, like the average age of home ownership in this country is now 38 and the solution from the federal government so far has been, hey, maybe we consider legalizing 50 year mortgages. Okay, so you buy a house at 40

with a 50 year mortgage. I mean, do the math, do the math. Let's give you some specific examples because the Financial Times just published a piece about the residents of Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, hardly Los Angeles, California, hardly New York City, you know, it's the kind of place where Ben would like to think Americans struggling in these big cities can move to, you know, for affordability. But let's check in with the residents of Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Let's see how they're doing. Anisa Camacho, a 26-year-old florist who can no longer afford rent, so she moved in with her grandparents. It feels like everything is just closing in around us. honestly, I work two jobs, my partner works two jobs, and it just feels like we are,

we are like scraping for crumbs here. So you have a dual income household in which both members of said household are working two jobs. And she needs to move in with her grandmother because they can't afford rent. Demetri Nash, 32 years old. He works as a yard driver for a local warehouse, sometimes up to 72 hours a week, it's not optional. It's mandatory for me to work the hours that I work because of the rise in cost of living. He has cut back meals to save money. Quote, it shouldn't be that way, especially for food. I mean, you got to eat, he said. So I'm sure it's his fault. Some way, somehow it's his fault. He doesn't have, he doesn't realize that he has agency, that he can pick himself up by the bootstraps and maybe work, I don't know,

80 hours a week instead of 72. Mark Riddle, the executive director of a food pantry in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, stated, quote, we see a lot of people who have been evicted because they couldn't pay their rent, because they had a car accident and then couldn't pay their medical bills. I think that's the sort of homelessness that we'll start to see a lot more of. But I don't want to hear anything about their victimhood, says Ben Shapiro. Because all of his patience for victimhood apparently is reserved for a specific country. And we know what that country is.

So let's hear what he has to say about struggling Americans who pay their taxes. And then watch their tax revenue get sent abroad to a country committing atrocities in Gaza, in the West Bank, in Lebanon, in other Middle Eastern countries. Let's take a look. The MOU, I think, again, it provides a convenient talking point for people who don't understand geopolitics in any significant way. The reality is that in many ways the MOU is significantly better for the United States than it is for Israel. It allows the United States to yank Israel's chain on matters of security. It allows America to hamper Israel's military industrial complex in fairly significant ways.

And so I think there's actually a fairly solid case to be made that the MOU is more beneficial to the United States government than it is to the Israel. government, I think for both governments, it would be better if they negotiated toward the end of an MOU. And I think that the prime minister would like to do that actually at some point in the very, very near future. Ben is a liar. The Israeli government has proposed that the United States sign a 20-year MOU. So MOU is basically the agreement for the U.S. to funnel military aid to Israel, okay? They're usually a decade long. That was the last MOU that was agreed upon during the Obama administration. Netanyahu and the Israeli government sees the writing on the wall. They see how unpopular Israel is and how unpopular it is for the American people to send

their resources to a country that's committing atrocities. And so in response to that, the Israeli government's like, oh, we better lock this in for 20 years instead of 10. So do not talk to me about how like, oh yeah, yeah, the current prime minister is totally like finding a way to wean off the, I can't use that word, so I'm just going to move off of it, but they wean themselves off of dependency of US taxpayer money. No, they're not, they're not. So I just don't understand how he thinks making these two conflicting points in the third In the context of the same panel discussion is going to work out well for him. Calling people who watch Nick Fuentes' show losers, you're not going to win your argument by doing that.

He knows that better than anyone, but he keeps doing it anyway. How is it that our resources are not well suited to use on our people, but it somehow makes sense to feed into the victim mentality of the Israeli government and funnel our resources over to them. Government handouts totally okay when it comes to Israel, not okay when it comes to helping Americans at a time when our economy is falling apart. This is why you're losing, Ben. Wake up, read a book. We got to go.

I'm really upset because I really wanted to talk about the Alan Dershowitz-Epstein story. Maybe they'll cover it in the second hour without me. Please cover it, Jank. Anyway, love you guys. for me but stick around jank huger and jordan yule will be here for the second hour