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Episode Date: May 25, 2024

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Jake Uger, John Idol of Brian Unger, the Ungertankers here. So thrilled. We're gonna have a great hour for you guys. We've got another blast from the past a contributor that we love going to in the second hour as well, and I'm not even talking about Jordan Ewell, no one cares. I'm just kidding, I'm kidding, I love putting digs on you guys. I don't know why I do that. Anyways, Brian, it's great to have you here. John is also here. See, I can't stop. So we got an amazing show for you guys. Obviously we've got serious topics like what's happening with Israel and Gaza, but we also have some amazing lighter topics in the second hour and in the first hour, you're gonna love.

So just stay right here. John's got the news for you. I do. And we've got some fun stuff that we're going to be talking about in the middle and latter half of the hour. But we're going to start off with something quite serious beginning with this. The court considers that in conformity with obligations under the genocide convention is a must immediately hold its military offense. And any other action in the Raffa governor, which may inflict on the Palestinian group in Gaza, conditions of life, of life that could bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.

That was video right there from earlier today where the International Court of Justice has ordered Israel to immediately halt their military offensive on Rafa, where it has already begun and far more than a million Palestinians have fled to that area trying to dodge the chaos that has occupied so much of Gaza following months of the war. This core order from the Court of Justice is connected to a story we talked about just a couple of months ago involving South Africa and accusations of genocide against Israel. That criminal that criminal inquiry is going to take a very long time to finalize. We don't know when we're going to have a final word on that. But in the meantime, South Africa has pressured the court to do something while the court

proceeds. And this announcement by the ICJ has sort of three main components. So the first is, as we said, ordering an halt to the military offensive in Rafa. The second part is access to Gaza for war crimes investigators. And also a big and immediate increase of humanitarian aid to the region, parts of which are enduring famine, as most of you probably know and have been for a number of months. Top UN court cited an immediate risk to Palestinians, noting that more than 800,000 people have been forced to flee Rafa since Israeli forces began ground operations in the area. It had once been declared a safe zone. And if you recall sort of the main thrust of the conflict, you had it sort of sweeping from north to south throughout

Gaza. And at every step along the way, people were told, go south, go south, go south. It'll be safe. There's a safe zone. And then the safe zone becomes the war zone a few weeks or a month later. And then you're told to go south again. Well, that reached, I guess, it's apex when sort of the last holdout in the south became the hottest point of the war. And now many, you're having to flee back into areas where half or more of the structures have been destroyed. The critical infrastructure is gone. Access to clean water, medication, electricity, and certainly food is at an all-time low. So that's the situation the ICJ is pushing to try to provide a little bit of relief from that situation. We're going to have a debate in just a little bit

or a discussion about what effect do we think this ruling will actually have. But, Jank, I want to toss to you, what do you make of the ICJ's ruling? So honestly it's kind of obvious. So it's obvious the world. That's part of the reason why they're doing this ruling. The only place on planet Earth where it's not obvious are two places. Well, let's say three to be a little bit more accurate. One is Israel itself, where they think like they're so blinded by their rage and the different cultural context that Israel is in right now that they think that they're the victims and doing 30 times what happened on. October 7th is not enough. It has to be 50 or 60. And they believe this mythology that Netanyahu is actually trying to get Hamas. And God, golly, gee, if they just get Hamas, they'll stop and, et cetera. So in Israel itself, they believe that madness that isn't remotely true. They believe the second place is Washington, D.C., where almost everyone there at least pretends to believe this nonsense. And the third place is cable news. But outside of those three tiny pockets,

which are of course incredibly influential, everyone else on planet Earth knows. You gotta stop. And it's not just for the Palestinian's sake, it's for Israel's sake. I mean, even allies of Israel are looking around going, are you guys serious? You're gonna keep killing more, thousands of more innocent civilians? You don't think you've destroyed Gaza enough. Like no one on earth can think that unless they're totally blinded by bias. Right, and that's part of why we've had the three European countries, Spain, Norway, and was it France, I think.

The recognition? Yeah, no, I'm sorry, Ireland, Spain, Oregon, Ireland now saying, enough, we recognize Palestine. And I think that's exactly right. I think what the International Criminal Court of Justice is doing is exactly right. Whether it will have an effect is, of course, a different question. And one we'll talk about in a second. But, Brian, what do you think? You know, I am each morning driven to tears watching this and reading about it.

Each morning, it is like a just absolute, like, you know, dark black hole of just sadness. And I wonder why we can't essentially put some sort of United Nations peacekeeping force or some kind of, some kind of global presence in place now to stop all of this. Because there are two crusades happening and they're, they're unending. And it is, the result is, is annihilation. And it's just horrific to watch. I mean, I watched this morning a first person account that was sort of a video. testimonial in New York Times about a family trying to get across the border into Egypt. Now they're paying essentially coyotes to take people across the border because the border

entrance is closed. And so they're paying these exorbitant fees now. They're leaving behind family members. People are basically just trying to get their kids to safety. We're watching this just horrific thing day by day unfold. And we lack so much. sense of of justice in our world that we can't pull together some kind of force through this through united nations nato i don't care just something to just stop it why i mean you guys are smarter than i am so i you know i but i'm just horrified by it every day yeah on behalf of john agree to disagree on us being smarter but yes your point is indisputable and but yet uh america does nothing uh you know they built a peer

By the way, it costs us half a billion dollars to build a pier to get the Palestinian's food because Israel is effectively blocking all other entrances by slowing things down so much that that's what's led to the starvation. So our so-called ally says, why don't you go spend half a billion dollars to try to feed these guys that we're trying to starve? Okay, but we're not going to let things go into the point where they could just eat like normal human beings. Gee, I wonder if the National Court of Justice should do so. something about it. Of course, of course they should do something. In fact, if they don't do something about this, they might as well pack up and say, yeah, this is just a political body and we're useless. So it would be maniacal if they didn't do what they did today. And another thing I don't mean to interrupt John, but I mean, just from a pure sort of PR perspective, there, the President Biden is so unable to articulate a consistent American policy And echo it and repeat it daily, it's being filled by a vacuum of like other people, like Donald Trump. And it's turning into now this completely confusing madness where it's turned

into now just a political thing in the United States as opposed to this humanitarian crisis. And I lament that, that someone can't be bold enough and big enough who actually works in the federal government of the United States and represents the country to articulate a strategy to end it. Yeah. Yeah, it's really devastating. Like the human mind has it like a remarkable capacity to take two things that are the same and to think of them in two very different ways. Like you can see the death of a civilian and you can see the death of another civilian and based on, you know, where they were born, one has value in the other doesn't. It's just that's that's how people see it. People I would never admit it, many wouldn't even

I didn't even think that it applies to them, but it clearly does. If if hostility broke out, full hostility, war between Iran and Israel, and Iran invaded and took control of a section of Israel and did a blockade like this and was starving people there, it would be utterly unacceptable. I'm saying that both as a hypothetical and also as a statement of my values. It would be unacceptable and everyone would agree that it was unacceptable. But in this case, some people agree a little bit. Let me ask you guys this, what do you think the way cable news is treating this story that is a 24-7 unfolding unmitigated catastrophe and what we get on our menu of cable television in terms of what stories we hear, when we hear them, duration of those stories, and the depth of those stories. What do you think? Yeah, so that's a great question, Brian. I think that I got used to, speaking of blockades, an entire mainstream media blockade.

of anything positive about Palestinians, treating them as human beings, viewing them as human, thinking that they might have a decent point when they shouldn't be occupied, et cetera. Israel's 100% right about everything, no matter how absurd, right? That was the state of affairs before this particular siege of Gaza. And so I'm encouraged to see that that blockade has been broken. New York Times has had some great pieces. CNN has some great pieces. pieces every once in a while MSNBC allows a Muslim commentator on one of their own

reporters or anchors to say the truth. So Fox News has no truth, but that's Tuesday. They don't have any truth on anything, right? But that being said, we're thrilled that we got an exception to the rule. But the overall rule, especially when it came to the campus protest, and that's part of why I was so upset about the campus protests, because they went back to the bad old days of 100% propaganda. The peace protesters are the violent ones. You know, it was 100% Orwellian. Peace is war, war is peace. The protesters aren't good people trying to prevent the deaths of innocent women and children. They're horrible anti-Semites. They might have tails and horns. They should all be arrested and locked up. So still, I would say,

90% of American media is awful and pretty much pure propaganda on this. But the 10% has been a boon, a wonderful surprise that it's actually made it on air, that is somewhat accurate coverage. And of course, when that 10% breaks out, the propagandist side loses their mind. And they're like, how dare you treat them as human beings? How dare you report things that are true? Well, every news organization, every human rights organization totally utterly agrees. No, they're all anti-Semites. So to me, I don't know what your guy's perspective is.

That propaganda is still 85 to 90% of American media, but at least thank God there's a little bit array of truth coming in. And I think that the reason that's happening, Brian, is because social media, social media has the actual truth and they're trying to compete. And in their competition, they're getting a little embarrassed at how wall to wall to wall, the propaganda was in favor of Israel. So now and younger reporters, younger people in all these organizations. And again, irrespective of religion or ethnic background, they're all saying, no, guys, we're supposed to be in the news business. That's the load of crap you guys sold us in journalism school.

And you're obviously not doing news. That's why I think we're having 15% reality if I'm being generous. John, I'm curious what you're taking on this. Yeah, I think that, especially in regard to the massive death of civilians, I think that the number became such that the media could not address it in the exact same way that they would in prior incursions, you know, where you have, you know, 500 dead Palestinians, a thousand dead Palestinians. In this case, it was like, okay, we got to do something. This is clearly unacceptable. I do agree that the beginning of the campus protests allowed them to pivot to what they're

more comfortable with, which is pitching all of this is the only the province of extremists. And in particular, they did their trick where they take the protests and they listen to what the protesters say they're protesting for. And then they say no, that's not actually it. The protesters say we want to end of the war, we want to ceasefire. Some of them just say, we want to be able to protest without being utterly crushed by the police state. And the media's like, okay, you love Hamas, got it. They're pro-terrorism. And it's one of the most utterly condescending things that the media does. They do it in most protest movements. And they've done it very effectively in this one. And they've been aided, by the way, by a lot of notable

celebrities that have been perfectly willing to step up and, you know, smear and tar these students, none of which they will ever speak to or have any interest in speaking to. So that part of it, I have not enjoyed. Brian, what's your take out? I mean, you touched on something, you touched on this phrase from news in my old news days too. We used to call wall to wall coverage. And, you know, cable news has nothing but time. I'm always amused by it. You did it, you did it at MSNBC. I did it in MSNBC too. And there was always this rush to finish a story so we could get to a commercial one of the most popular. We're running out of time. Thank you so much for being here. And I just don't understand why anyone is running out of time on cable news because it's on

for 24 hours a day. And there's really no reason to rush off ever for anything. But what gets wall-to-wall coverage is the Trump trial in New York. But what's going on and it's an unfolding humanitarian crisis catastrophe moment by moment gets an update. So it's like an update in the morning and an update at night. Kind of reminds me of the old evening news programs where you actually sat around and waited till like 530 or 6 o'clock for Walter Cronkite or I think they still do it. Nora O'Donnell does it on one of those channels. I think it's called CBS. But they give you like two and a half tape packages are never longer than two minutes and 15 seconds. Anything longer than that network news is sacrilege. I worked in network news. I know your trackage is too long. Can we

cut this? Can we cut this? I just don't understand why we just never have enough time. And I think real time, real wall-to-wall coverage of the crisis would actually be informative and more nuanced and allow people to really, really connect with what is a crisis, as opposed to it's that thing again for two minutes on Morning Joe, or that, you know, four minutes. on PBS or wherever it's airing. We're just, we're just treating it again like it's becoming like the Vietnam War. It's like here's your dose of it. Here's what happened today.

We're moving on now. I think I can partially explain it. Generally content about it doesn't draw much attention. Yeah. I know that in my own experience, I know I was just recently looking at, I don't generally watch like MSVC on YouTube, but I was going over the stuff they do and I was noticing like they'll they'll do something about the trial or whatever and it'll get 75,000 views 150,000 views and then there will be a thing about Gaza and it's like literally like

4,000 and you can see that peppered throughout and like they see that they know that people aren't paying as much attention and that's going to affect them after a while but I think it's a little bit more complicated in that John because our our videos on Gaza get plenty of views I think that the reason their views on Gaza coverage is getting 4,000 in other words really really small is because nobody wants to watch NBC's propaganda about Gaza. Like they're gonna tell you that Israel is 100% right, et cetera, et cetera. So like what's the point of watching that video? Like if you had an expectation that they're gonna give honest coverage like we do, right?

We give you, here's what Hamas is 100% wrong about. Here's the BS that that side says and here's what Israel is wrong about. I mean, here's what Israel is definitely wrong about is a sentence that has never been spoken on cable news. unless I said it once while I was on MSFBC. Okay, so look, last thing here is, is this ICJ, you know, order going to affect Israel at all? You know, I'm going to quote two members here, and by the way, get involved in the show, be a member, we read your comments, you're part of the show. We'll put the link down below, as we always do in the description box, t.yt.com slash team. Bunkin for Fun Road in history will ask, what did you do to try to stop it? And that's,

Brian mentioned earlier how he wakes up every morning. That's how I wake up every morning, thinking what did I do to try to stop this? And how much more can I try? You know, and because every day, more people die. Tons of more innocent civilians die. And then lastly, our guy wrote in, even if Israel were to stop now, their international reputation is completely ruined for years to come. Yeah, I agree with that. But you know what's going to make it way worse, not years to come, but decades to come is if they obliterate Rafa. And at which point I think it's going to be unrecoverable. So I can say 2,000 times over afterwards, why if they get to a peace deal, for example, why the Jewish state is great and no problem,

and we should all go into tourism and yeah, and it's a beautiful country, etc. But if they obliterate Rafa and this is the most important, and they try to drive out the Palestinians into the desert as Ben Gavir and Smotrich want to do, it's going to be totally unrecoverable. And so I don't want that for Israel, let alone the poor, poor Palestinians. Look, I see some of the statements that maybe we can briefly discuss this. I know I know to echo what Brian was saying, we don't have much time, but I'm going to set up a few of things that we could talk about it. With the ICJ ruling coming out, people are wondering, is this actually going to stop the offensive on Rafa? It seems unlikely to immediately force

Israeli compliance. I don't think that's going to happen. Theoretically, it's going to draw more international attention. The U.S. might choose to respect it. As of right now, the response from leaders in Israel has been furious. They're not happy about this. Benjamin Nanyahu's office put out a statement saying, the charges of genocide brought by South Africa against Israel, the ICJ and the Hague are false, outrageous and morally repugnant. Israel has not and will not conduct military actions in the ruffa area, which may inflict on the Palestinian civilian population in Gaza, conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. That's not even going to be untrue. That's already untrue. They rebutted the

charges of genocide, by the way, when we talked about it a month or two ago. I would ask everyone how many thousands of civilians have died in Gaza since the last time Benjamin Nettio's office said that they were being super respectful of civilian life. Anyway, you mentioned the national security minister, Jank, Ben-Kavir, who says there should only be one answer to the irrelevant order of the anti-Semitic court in the Hague, the occupation of Rafa, the increase of military pressure, and the complete defeat of Hamas. There's a lot of other components of that, that he's not stating outright, that we will kill thousands of civilians if that's what it takes to get the three things I just listed. But those are obviously true. And my favorite response is from

Naftali Bennett, who was the 13th Prime Minister of Israel, who tweeted that, the ICJJ, just provided every terror organization on earth with the perfect method to get away with murder. And I think that Bennett has a good point. All you have to do is you conduct a horrendous terror attack. Then over the course of months, most of the buildings in your entire territory that you live in are destroyed. Tens of thousands of civilians are killed. The vast majority of your membership as a terrorist organization are killed. And then many months later, the ICJ will put non-binding statement out about Israel, thus the perfect method to get away with murder. It's a reminder that politicians the world over absolute chuckleheads. They are mediocre

individuals, not particularly sharp. That's a nonsensical statement. And again, there's barely even like an acknowledgement of the actual stakes in the invasion of Rafa, the possibility of large scale loss of civilian life. They'll occasionally throw out a thing about, you know, we're not going to do it in whole or in part. But again, it's happening right now. really as we're recording this, people are dying. So that's what I think, Jenk. What do you think? Look, there is only a sliver of hope in some Israeli politicians like Yerlipid, who's in opposition to this government, and Benny Gantz, who is part of the government,

but everyone's who slightly disagrees with that in Yahoo. But most of the Israeli cabinet has lost their minds. And they're on a vengeance kick, if not a thing that's worse, which is a purposeful ethnic cleansing of Gaza to just take Gaza. And to take either a part of Gaza, a so-called buffer zone. And that's Benny Gantz's solution. And he's one of the theoretical, rational ones, non-insane ones on the cabinet, or take all of Gaza, which is what Smotrich and Ben-Gavir seem to want to do. If they take Gaza, they've lost their goddamn minds. And so then we're in a race between how quickly, you know, America and Israel can bully, destroy, defeat, humiliate, kill, crush the Palestinians,

and the rest of the world saying we object so deeply to this, one of the most immoral acts of our lifetime that we're gonna stop doing business with America, let alone Israel. Because this is just too much to bear. So that's the race we're in. And I fear that usually America and Israel win that race, that the world doesn't care enough to have consequences come down on America. And if consequences don't come down on America, we're just gonna keep taking that APAC money and give Israel 100% of what they want, which doesn't help Israel at all. We're just because of the right wing APAC money, we are greatly hurting our ally Israel, because none of our politicians will be honest about what they should actually do to rescue their country.

Instead, we're aiding and abetting the very worst impulses that the most maniacal people inside of the Israeli cabinet have. And so this movie is very unlikely to end well. It's likely to end an complete and utter disaster. I think we should probably take our first break. Lots more to get to after this. All right back on TYT, Jank John, I'm Brian with you guys. Also, Bruce Salazar and Nikitaku, thank you for joining. Oscar Estrada, thank you for upgrading brother, really appreciate that. And Vicky R, thank you for gifting your membership. this all on YouTube. The join button is right below the video on YouTube. And of course,

we really encourage you guys to go to t-y-t.com slash team to help out. John, what's next? Okay, so sort of related to something you were talking about in the social break, about the insane language that Donald Trump uses when talking about crises abroad. Let's take a look at this. Yeah, I see a lot of flags. A lot of flags from it right out of Israel, right? That's right out of Israel. But remember I said it, I said it a month ago, and it's a terrible thing to say, but I believe it, many of the hostages that you're waiting for, and everybody's waiting for, those hostages, many of them are dead, many of them are dead, and it's a horrible thing. It would have never happened if the election weren't rigged. It would have never happened if I were your president. They would have never done it. Again, just to be clear, the election was not rigged. Donald Trump lost fair and square and he

makes no effort to explain how if he'd been able to successfully steal the presidency in 2020, how the attack of October 7th wouldn't happen. He simply states it and his cultists accept it. If you think that that's crazy, wait until you hear what he has to say about the border wall. And we will get to that shortly. But first, as he alluded to in that video, he has previously talked about the situation with the hostages and the conflict in Gaza. This is back in March. He has a little bit more of an explanation as to why he thinks that theoretically he would have been able to help. Take a look at this.

Are you on board with the way the IDF is taking the fight in Gaza? You've got to finish the problem. You had a horrible invasion. It took place. It would have never happened if I was president, by the way. As you know, Iran was broke, Brian. They were broke. They had no money for Hamas, for Hezbollah.

They were broke. this would have never happened. And for another reason, they wouldn't have done it to me. I guarantee you that. They did this because they have no respect for Biden. And frankly, they got soft. So look, he's he's delusional. It's dementia. He's out of his mind or just lying or a combination of the two. But in extended comments that he had on this topic, an interview with time, he actually blamed it not just on Joe Biden or Iran having money. He actually seemed to pretty clearly put the blame on Benjamin Netanyahu, where he said they have the most sophisticated equipment appearing to me in the IDF or the Israelis. They had everything was there to stop that.

And a lot of people knew about it, you know, thousands and thousands of people knew about it, but Israel didn't know about it. And I think Netanyahu's being blamed for that very strongly being blamed. So the way that he invokes that thousands and thousands of people knew about it, Like he could explain that he thinks that there was an intelligence failing or something like that, that they got a report like in, you know, before 9-11 and they didn't prioritize it or something. The way that he is pitching that seems to be very clearly, I think that he thinks that they allowed it to happen. You cannot state that you think thousands of people knew and then yahoo's being blamed without implying that someone allowed it to happen. That's a bit of speculation on my part,

But I don't know reasonably how you read that, you know, and don't come away with that. He also had another subject that he had critical words for Benjamin Netanyahu on. He was talking about back in January of 2020, when he launched the operation to assassinate Iranian general Qasem Soleimani, he said that originally was supposed to be a joint attack until Netanyahu withdrew at the last second saying, I had a bad experience with baby. That was something I never forgot. And so I guess he was angry. at the leader of Israel for not wanting to be a party to the assassination of a foreign official. Chank, what do you think about this? His theory. Yeah, so look, Democrats catch feelings when I

say obvious things about Biden, like he's super old and sometimes he gets very confused as to what he's saying. And now Republicans also catch feelings when I say things like this. Trump is also very old and says things that you're not sure if he's saying it because he's senile or just regular old insane because he's both old and nuts. Okay, so it would have never happened if I was in charge. He says that about every bad thing, right? Come on, Maga, guys. Really, you think that nothing bad would have ever happened. That's why COVID didn't happen. Oh, wait, COVID did happen on his watch. It would have never happened. I know, I know, right? So we would never lost 13 million jobs. Except we did and it was on your watch.

Anyway, so on the, how he's going to scare everybody else and that's why they're not going to attack us. Hamas knew that Israel was going to obliterate Gaza. They of course they knew, right? What could Trump have done more than what Netanyahu has already done? Instead of killing 35,000, he would have helped them kill 45,000, 55,000. He would have nuked Gaza. Is that a thing we should be looking forward to? And they're like, I would have been even more vicious than then how.

That's why they would have, Hamas would have been scared of. Whatever, dude, you sound like the dumb ass bully in junior high. And literally, I had a bully in my school who used to claim that his dad was ahead of the CIA and his uncle was ahead of the mob. And if anybody questioned him, he'd be like, oh, yeah, you want to fight. And the minute I said, yeah, I do. He was like, oh, never mind, right? And that's Trump. He's that dumb-ass bully.

He says stupid things. And if you're Maga, I hope you at least realize that those things he's saying are incredibly dumb. And of course Hamas would have done it anyway. And he's not for peace. All he ever does is say, I would have done more war. I would have bombed them more. I would have killed him more.

That's not a pro-peace position. So make up your goddamn mind. What do you think, Brian? Well, I think Maga and the constituency is too dumb to notice any of those nuances. But Trump was like an isolationist, was an isolationist. He was always in the kitchen eating banana pudding or something when they tried to reach him about any military like a conflict in the world. He has no appetite for any of that stuff. And so that's ridiculous to like presume he would have like done something. I just find that kind of laughable. And secondly, I'm more disturbed by the fact that he's kind of combining rhetorically like two lies and one. The thing that bugs me the most about that is this wouldn't have happened if not for the rigged election. The situation would not have turned into this. They would never have tested me like this. So he's kind of like weaving two things into his appeal. So you get the rigged election part lie and then the I would have like really settled this like the global parent I think I might

be. And it bugs me. That really annoys me because I think only people hear the rigged part. Yeah. Yeah. They hadn't, if Biden hadn't stolen the election, I don't, maybe tied detergent would work better on grass stains too. Like I haven't. What else could have been different? You know, I mean, like I just, it's so masterfully stupid. 100%. Look, and I would say the flip side of that is when, so he's, he's very comfortable making claims that if it hadn't been stolen, then Ukraine wouldn't have invaded or Russia wouldn't have been created Ukraine and obviously Gaza, that whole thing would happen. But then he'll also flip it. And as we've reported on, he takes credit for good things that are happening now

when he has no ability or position to affect them. So when the stock market hits 4,000 or whatever, he's like, that's because of me. It's because I'm going to be president. Like if you believe these things, if you're a Maga person, you believe the two sides of this insane coin, then you've totally lost any relationship with the actual world. I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry that you got sucked into this cult. And if it is possible, I want us to help you, to help recover you. I know that we wanted to talk about the border wall.

Do we want to move on to the VPs, though? I think that's a little bit fun. What do you think? Okay, John, your call. Okay, I think that that's bigger, more consequential. We can always return to the border. Why don't we jump right into this? Speaking of the former president, Donald Trump is just hours away from hosting an event in Florida that will play a major factor in helping him decide who his next vice presidential nominee will be.

At least six contenders are attending the Republican donor retreat with names such as senators like Tim Scott, J.D. Vance, Marco Rubio, Congresswoman Elise Stefonic, and governors Doug Bergam and Christy Noam, who's been in the news a lot in the past few days. Yeah, remember that? That was just two weeks ago. And the fascinating thing about that is Donald Trump gathers in Mar-a-Lago all these people that are apparently on the shortlist to be VP, and he subjects them to a brutal roast, mocking them. implying that he barely knows who some of them like Doug Bergam actually are. And they go through all that because they have to have any chance of becoming VP, but they should know by now that just because they made it through that round doesn't mean that he's even going to remember them a couple weeks later. And I say that because he apparently has a new shiny thing that he's interested in, someone who wasn't even on that list, and that is Senator Tom Cotton,

who apparently is now considered a top contender. He said privately that he views Cotton as a reliable and effective communicator in cable news interviews. He praised Cotton's army service. I like that he appreciates that Cotton was in the army, whereas generally when he talks about soldiers, he considers him suckers and losers. I guess this is the exception. He likes the fact that he was a fellow Ivy League graduate. Trump, of course, went to the University of Pennsylvania. Cotton attended Harvard for both undergraduate and law degrees. And he also shares an affinity for conservative populism, the conservative populism that often denigrates attendance in higher education,

even though all the people that they choose for these positions went to Ivy League schools. Super weird how that works. In any event, Trump has previously said that he is not going to announce his final pick for VP until the RNC, but he particularly wants someone who is not going to create distractions, not going to start up a scandal or say something insane. He wants to be the only one doing all of that. And Tom Cotton potentially can avoid that. Tom Cotton is not a carry lake. He's not a Marjorie Green. He's not necessarily going to say things that lead to, you know, negative news cycles. Although notably, he has formerly endorsed a national ban on abortions after 20 weeks, which in this election in particular probably won't be all that popular, especially coupled with Donald Trump's own statements, implying that he would be supportive of federal bans on this. He also, many people will recall back in 2020, wrote an op-ed calling for Trump to deploy the U.S. military. against social justice protesters. And I would also like to remind people that just a couple of weeks ago, he went on Fox News and he told people that if protesters block the street, you should

murder them. You should literally take matters into your own hands and throw them off the Golden Gate Bridge into the ocean. If they glue their hands to your car, you should rip their skin off. This is the guy who is comparatively less likely to generate scandal in Tom Cotton. I personally think an additional thing that makes him an appealing VP pick for Trump is that while, and I said this on TDR this morning, many of these people, the Tim Scots, the Marco Rubio, Elise Stefanic, they're toadies. If Donald Trump wants to do anything no matter how crazy, no matter how fascistic, they're not going to stop him. Tom Cotton will be encouraging him to do those things. He wrote that op-ed. He wants martial law. And so I think Trump is going to find that very appealing, someone who is

going to, you know, sort of provoke him to follow his worst impulses. But, Jane, what do you think? John, I think you're exactly right. I think that all of a sudden I got Tom Cotton in the lead. So I want to build on that in a second, but I just want to give it an important caveat to the audience. Brian Hughes is a senior advisor to Trump, and he actually said something that's true. So that's breaking news when a Trump advocate says something true. He said, only President Trump will rule a contender for vice president in or out. And anyone claiming to know who he will choose is lying. That is true because Trump will probably make the decision five minutes before he has to. And he'll probably do it based on whoever talked to him last. So that's how idiots

make decisions. And that's usually how Trump makes decisions. And we've seen it in the past. Now, having said that, I see why Tom Cotton is surging, right? So first of all, Trump plays this game and I found the name of it. The other day, I was referring to it as chasing sausage. But it's actually bore on the floor. It's from a scene in succession where Logan Roy, the Rupert Murdoch character, puts sausages on the ground and makes people grovel and try to grab the sausages with their mouth while oinking like pigs. And that's what Trump does to VP potential candidates.

So they so thoroughly debased themselves, but he does it in public, right? And so that's the rigmarole he's going through now with the Tim Scots and etc. But as I read this story about Tom Cotton, I thought and Nikki Haley, because Nikki Haley now all of a sudden back in, she says she's voting for Trump. Trump says maybe she could be part of the administration somehow. And I remember thinking, really, because he definitely hates Nikki Haley. She has been disloyal. But yet he is not ruling her out and he's not including her in the bore on the floor yet, right? So it made me realize, oh, of course, there's a whole bunch of establishment donors who are saying to them, you must pick an establishment VP.

So don't pick Marjorie Taylor Green or Christy Nome or any of these loons. Pick a neocon like Nikki Haley or Elise Stefanik or Tom Cotton. And so when you think about it from the one thing that usually tells you how, which direction things are going to actually go, the donors, then it all starts to fall in place. Why are all these establishment guys who MAGA actually kind of hates, even in contention, right? And Tom Cotton is in a sense the perfect pick because he checks off the establishment box, he's a neocon, but he's also militaristic in the way that John described that Trump loves. and also has no bounds in the way that Trump loves.

If Trump goes to Tom Cotton says, hey, Tom, I decided we're not going to win the next election. So we're just going to end democracy. We're going to roll out the tanks. And we're going to still call it America. It'll be funny. And, you know, I'll be president for life. And then when I die, you'll probably be vice president, but you guys will knife each other. Are you in?

And Tom Cotton would be like, oh, I thought you'd never ask. Yes. So where is Nikki Haley might pause and others might pause? Doug Berger might pause. Tom Codd is like, yes, yes, yes, yes. So fascism combined with establishment, combined with neocon, combined with subservient to the boss. And all of a sudden, Trump might be picking Codd. Very nicely done, Chang.

Very nice. I like that. Or yeah, and he's not going bad bleach, bad bod or big bleach or bad. Definitely not. I'm not sure Trump and Cotton in the same television frame could actually occur. It might be so toxic that the electromagnetic spectrum would actually repel it. Can you imagine those two side by side? They're both so caustic and toxic.

The venom that comes out of them, they might cancel each other out. I don't know. Pence was this kind of like, you know, you had contempt. He was so boring and so just empty. And and but cotton actually, it sounds more extreme and better articulated. And as an attorney and someone who's like Ivy League educated, the guy is, he believes, he's so in belief of his own, his convictions are, it's it's very disturbing. the dynamic duo of those two knuckleheads. Yeah, yeah, no, you're just swinging me.

I'm almost, so one of our sponsors is a Polly Market, and they have a prediction market basically where, you know, people vote with their dollars. And that Tom Cotton bet now all of a sudden it's growing up, because the article mentioned what Brian was mentioning, the New York Times did, about how Tom Cotton's Ivy League educated, he's a Harvard fascist. And so you might think like what is what Trump's MAGA, why would he care?

Manga doesn't care about Ivy League credit. They'd probably dislike Ivy League credentials. Now remember Trump's an elitist. And so he's like, he's right at Central casting, went to Harvard, you know, and Trump thinks he went to Penn. So he thinks, oh, okay, two Ivy League guys. What he doesn't know is his dad set up an elaborate ruse where he pretty, right, where pays off the percent of professors and he's like, oh, pretend he got a D. Just keep moving. Okay. So anyway, so that's another reason why it might be cut.

I think one downside is that in terms of the branding, like you have to imagine the yard signs and there's just something about Trump cotton that sounds like a business that went bankrupt back in 2007. Like it doesn't seem like a winning thing. But anyway, we're going to take a short break. I will say here in Georgia, I know you're trying to go to break, but I already have started to to see the Trump signs now more and more, but the Trump cotton sign is horrific to me here, for some reason, yeah. Yeah, 100%.

Okay, we're gonna take a short break. We'll be right back. All right, back on T.Y.T. Jank Yugar, John Adderola, Brian Unger with you guys, and Bruce Salser, thank you for gifting a membership. John. Okay, we've got a, it's actually the second time in this week. I think that the view had kind of a fascinating discussion. Take a look at this. I think ground zero for what ails America is that for the first time on our nation's history, a 30-year-old man or woman isn't doing as well as his or her parents at the age of 30. That's the first time it's a, that creates rage and shame in every household. The average seven-year-old, the 72% wealthier than they were 40 years ago, the average person under the age of 40 is 24% less wealthy. Young people aren't entitled, they're entitled to be enraged. We are transferring

money from the young to the old. It is the least American thing we could do. That is author and businessman Scott Galloway on The View talking about how the young in America have a right to feel like they are being screwed over economically. Here's more. What's the result? People are opting out of America. It used to be 63% of 30 to 34 year old able-bodied people had kids. Now it's 27%. And I don't think it's because they've decided they don't want kids. I think it's because they've decided, well, we haven't raised minimum wage in 40 years, all the tax cuts. Go to older people. The largest capital transfer in history happens every year. Young people transfer a trillion and a half dollars to the wealthiest generation in history in that seniors. Young people aren't

entitled, they're entitled to be enraged. We are transferring money from the young to the old. It is the least American thing we could do. Okay, all of that is fascinating. And in his extended remarks, let alone in podcasting and books and all that, he identifies a lot of reasons that we've ended up in the situation. As you saw in there, he's talking about government policy, the way that, you know, the way that taxes are done, the tax cuts that we have, all of that. But as a result of a question from Sonny, he does get into one area that the view is going to love that perhaps Some people who are so far on board might not like as much. Take a look at this.

We can acknowledge, I think, that many economic factors may not be in their favor, right? But is there also something to be said about the work ethic of kids today? We hear that a lot. This generation seems to prioritize work-life balance, flexibility to work remotely, job hopping. Does that factor in? Because I think work-life balance is very important. Yeah. So one of my tips to young people, I ask my kids, when I say my kids, my students,

where they expect to be economically by the time of the 35. And the majority of them expect to be in the top 10% or 1%. And then they go on to talk about balance. Let me dispel a bit, a myth. If you want to have influence or economic security, stop using the word balance. Unless you're frequently remarkable, which most of us aren't, or you're smart enough to have rich parents. And if you want to be really successful and influential, expect to do nothing but pretty much work for 10 or 20 years. That's called capitalism. It's a cruel truth, but look, at the end of the day, you can have it all. You just can't have it all at once. Yes, yes. Yes. Well, I want to ask you for-

Okay, they obviously love that. Whoopi loves that. It actually mirrors something that Whoopi has said recently, which we'll talk about. And I like a lot of his diagnosis of the problem, but telling people fresh out of college, you need to do nothing but work for 20 years to be successful is definitely rough advice. I'm curious, Jake, what you make of all Scott Galloway's appearances there. Yeah, I totally agree with them. So let me explain, because I'm not, so the view is at this point among the top two most establishment shows on television. Morning Joe in the view, okay? And so if you go in there and you tell them that the young people are getting screwed, they're going to hate it, right? But the reason why Scott Galloway is a really good messenger of this

is because he's otherwise kind of establishmenty. And so if you heard some of his other opinions, other opinions you might not love them. He's awful on Israel, etc. But that makes him a good ambassador for television. He did the same thing on Morning Joe. And so normally if I said the same exact things that Scott Galloway is saying, they'd be like, boom, get them off, get them out there, get them out there, no way. There's no way the young people are screwed in any way, they're all spoiled little brats, etc. And now why do they always say that, as I've told you many times, it's because their own children are spoiled. So they only have experience with super rich children, so they don't have experience with millennials growing up in

Nebraska who are happy that they moved up to assistant manager at Burger King, right? So they're totally detached from reality. So Galloway almost has to do a little dig at young people in order to get whoopee and everybody else. It's okay, all right, we'll listen now, we'll listen now, as long as you hate them as much as we hate them, right? And so now, but he's not wrong on that work issue either. So if you want to have a good living in the old days, You had to show up to work, do your job, and you know, you take care, do your job and the company takes care. Those days are so long gone. People who believe them are like, if they're not 98 years old, they're 98 years old in mentality, right? So like there's no corporation is going to look out for you,

blah, blah, blah. Come on, everybody knows this already except people on television, right? And so, but at the same time, if you want to, so in this new modern world, if you want to be in the top 10, one, et cetera, yeah, you got to work your ass off. And then it's still going to be super hard, right? It's not anywhere near guaranteed. But if you want a life work balance, you should be able to do that and be middle class in America, but we've destroyed that. So there's a difference in what you're trying to get to. But the most important thing he's saying is about how the rules have been rigged against the young. And it's done through the tax system, it's done through the laws. And that is a very important message for him to deliver to the most,

establishment show in the country or the two most establishment shows and their audience. So he can snap them out of hating young people for no reason and understanding. As he explained later in that segment, now housing prices are four times what they used to be. And education prices are twice what they used to be. So no, the young do not have it easier. They have it much harder than the older generation. Brian, what do you think? I mean, two things occurred to me that I believe that, well, first of all, this notion of balance grew out of, and you guys correct me in, and or wait here, but this notice of work balance really became popular after COVID. It's not as if we all chose to work from home or wanted to do like remote work. I wasn't even in my vernacular until it became imposed upon me by the work, by work, by the economy.

And then when COVID did sort of dissipate all of the commercial real estate empty, there were no offices to go back to. They'd cut those budgets. They saved hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars corporations by letting people work from home at least part of the week. So there's that. So I'm not really sure young people woke up one day and went, you know, I want to work from home in this bedroom that I'm in. I'd rather do that. That just feels better to me. Second, I think you can't, you have to talk about wages. Wages just, it's not minimum wage. Everyone's wages suck. Everyone's wages have basically returned to 1980s levels and are going to stay there. So is it inflation? Is it that everything

is expensive or is it that we're making half as much as we made like 10 years ago? or we haven't kept pace with inflation. So I'm not really sure that the rage is warranted. I get it. People are pissed off. But essentially, the transference isn't so much to like our senior citizens. The transference of wealth is to people like David Zasloff who run Warner Brothers or to overly compensated CEOs of companies who underperform, even from the perspective of shareholders

who own their stocks, and yet have these enormous. salaries and pay packages and bonuses. So I'm not sure we should blame senior citizens. I think we should blame this out of control, as you touched on it, tax structure. But wages, we are, we have just, it's slipped away from us. I was talking to a TV executive, a very high ranking TV executive last weekend in Atlanta. And I said, is the, you know, I was said, is the business ever coming back? And I met the media business.

And before I could even finish the sentence, he went, no, no, it's never coming back, it's dead, it's never coming back. The wages are never coming back. I mean, he said, in fact, I'm retiring in a couple of years. I'm done. And I, and I just was like, I don't know, I already knew that, but hearing it from someone who's a part of that structure, they know it. The transference is happening right in front of us, not to old people, but to the folks who are causing this stock market to run away like this train it is and are benefiting wildly from part of this economy that the rest most, all of us aren't benefiting from. It's just incredible. That's what scares me about things. Where's this all headed? Yeah. So I think Brian is 100% right. Galloway made

a couple of good points in that direction in the rest of the appearance as well. So for example, you mentioned raising the minimum wages. We haven't raised it in decades, right? And so the reason is because if you went, that's why one of the reasons why I'm obsessed with the issue, you raise the minimum wage, it raises the wages above it, right? We really, really need the middle class to be able to get back to a lifestyle where they're not struggling 24-7 and living under intense pressure. And the reality is that corporations are squeezing us in a vice, vice grip, and we're all getting squeezed here. And Galway made another good point. He's like, it's not even the, what he calls the super earners, which are people who are wealthy, doctors,

lawyers, et cetera, et cetera. He's like, no, they're also getting squeezed. All of it is getting squeezed to the very, very top. And that's the point Brian's making. Like Zazlov will make a quarter of a billion dollars one year when their stock price goes down. It's not attached to reality at all. It's just a highway robbery where the people at the very top are taking from all of the rest of us. And it's unsustainable. And he pointed out the top 25 wealthiest people in America, pay on average, 8% in taxes. So come on. No, at some point, people are going to get super mad about this robbery and in fact this already happened the right wing is super mad about this robbery that's why they're talking about political violence they just have no idea what the proper target

is first of all the methodology of violence is totally wrong but they don't realize no you schmucks it's the CEOs it's the guys the donors the lobbyists etc instead they think oh it's the mexican immigrant it's the palestinian it's to whoever fox news told me to hate today because fox news is trying to protect the guys who are robbing us blind. You're so, I could not have articulated that better. I mean, that's just it. It's just there is rage and the target is the wrong target. And you know, and you also see it in media accounts of like how independent voters are

starting to lean. You'll see like there's a lot of talk in Atlanta about how Biden is losing the black vote in Atlanta and they're leaning into Trump. And I think it's like there's anger and rage and there's this sense that Trump will bring about an alternative that might be better than where we are. But it's again, you know, they're picking the wrong favorites and they're bashing the wrong targets. And I don't know what the solution is for that. Yeah. It's a political rebellion slash revolution where you begin to understand. who's actually causing your problems and have a healthy, constructive political and rhetorical

fight against those people. Not a violent one, not a physical one, not a crazy one, and not one where you hit the people with the least power and leave the people with the most power alone. That's not going to ever solve your problems. The person without power, by definition, has no power. They didn't do this to you. The people with the power did this to you. Come on, guys. It's not that hard to figure out. So, all right, we gotta go unfortunately. We're way past the hour. We have an amazing second hour for you guys.

But thank you, John. Everybody check out Damage Report. We're doing great work. And Brian, it's always a pleasure to have you on, brother. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you. Thank you, guys. All right.

When we come back, more outrageous Trump stories, whether we like it or not, okay, and we'll try to have some fun in the hour as well. We'll be right back. I don't know.