The Young Turks - Epstein Files Backpedal - July 7, 2025

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month Shopify trial and start selling today at ⁠shopify.com/tyt The DOJ and FBI conclude Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide and that no “client list” exists—prompting furious pushback from Elon Musk, who blasts the Trump-era DOJ over the claim. Joe Rogan calls Israeli treatment of Gazans “f***ing insane." Hosts: Jordan Uhl & Cenk Uygur SUBSCRIBE on YOUTUBE ☞  https://www.youtube.com/@TheYoungTurks FOLLOW US ON: FACEBOOK  ☞   https://www.facebook.com/theyoungturks TWITTER  ☞       https://twitter.com/TheYoungTurks INSTAGRAM  ☞  https://www.instagram.com/theyoungturks TIKTOK  ☞          https://www.tiktok.com/@theyoungturks 👕MERCH  ☞      https:/www.shoptyt.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. Horrible, awful, terrible, terrible, terrible. Baga! All right. All right, well, young church, Jake Uy, Jordan Yule, with you guys. Jordans, of course, I'm Rebel Age Q,

Make sure you're checking that YouTube channel out or where we get Rebel HQ and also host of the Insurgents podcast. We got an amazing show for you guys today. Elon started a third party. We get to that in the second hour because there's so much news. We're asking you on t.com whether you think about joining that party, hold, wait till you see the options. Check out the website for that. But overall today, a show could be called as the world turns because everyone is turning on everything. So Maga's turning on Trump on the Epstein files. Trump and his team are turning on themselves on the Epstein files.

Elon Musk has turned on Trump. Joe Rogan has turned on Israel. Israeli soldiers have turned on Israel's practices in Gaza. So there is nothing but flip-flops in this show and people turn it on one another in fascinating ways. O'Donnell Trump reversed himself on the tariffs. Of course, of course. But which direction is to go this time. So much news to catch up on. So Jordan, let's get started. Take a look at this. The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen? It's sitting on my desk right now to review. We have flight logs, we have information names that will come out. But perhaps the biggest bombshell, investigators say they found no incriminating client list of Epstein's, no credible evidence that

that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals and no evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties. That's right. After months of promising to deliver the goods on the Jeffrey Epstein case, Trump's Justice Department and the FBI have miraculously concluded there is no evidence that Epstein blackmailed powerful figures kept a client list or was murdered. Jenk, before we get into the details and all of the fall, are you buying it? Of course now. Literally no one sane could buy this.

And so we'll get into the people not buying it a little bit later in the this segment in the show from all the different sides. And we'll get into who is powerful enough to cover this up. But guys, I want you to understand what Jordan just said. The people who said they definitely were the Epstein files and they were and they were definitely going to reveal them and release them, are now saying, not only is there no Epstein files, even though they were on her desk and there was truckloads of them, there were no Epstein clients.

Hundreds of victims, the FBI once said it could get up into the thousands, thousands of videotapes, well, those videotapes were for no reason at all, and it doesn't even matter because there was no clients, no one to be prosecuted. Hundreds of victims, did they victimize themselves? What we're gonna find out apparently. No, actually, we're never going to find out. Isn't it an interesting, Democrats and Republicans? And yet, both of the parties say, oh no, no, there's nothing to see there.

It's definitely not us or our intelligence agencies or any of our allies. Definitely not. Well, it doesn't matter, because there's no client settled. Then why is Gisland Maxwell in prison? Why did that Prince Andrew give a giant settlement? Why, why did any of these things happen? Why did all of these people say there was and then they get in? They go, oh, I sweat, sweat, sweat as we're about to get into in a second.

Oh, dude, there is no files, there are no clients. We are, yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. So let Jordan explain to you guys, show you the truth and the lies. And but if you believe that there were no EFstein clients, you might be the dumbest person in America. Let's get into the details. According to a DOJ and FBI memo detailing the findings of their investigation, this systematic review revealed no incriminating client list. There was also no credible evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions. We did not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties. They also conclude that Epstein committed suicide in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York City on August 10th, 2019, which they argue is consistent with previous autopsy findings and video footage. As part of this memo, the DOJ released 11 hours of alleged surveillance camera footage from the common area of the special housing unit, or S-HU, where Epstein was held between. And they write in their report as DOJ's inspector general explained in 2023,

anyone entering or attempting to enter the tier where Epstein's cell was located from the SAU common area would have been captured by this footage. The FBI's independent review of this footage confirmed that from the time Epstein was locked in his cell at around 10.40 p.m. on August 9th, 2019, until around 6.30 a.m. the next morning, nobody entered any of the tiers in the SHU. But as you might remember, that DOJ Inspector General report, they cited, also revealed very suspicious technical issues with cameras inside the prison. Recorded video evidence for August 9th and 10th for the SHU area where Epstein was

housed was only available from one prison security camera due to a malfunction of MCC, New York's digital video recorder system that occurred on July 29th, 2019. While the prison cameras continued to provide live video feeds, recordings were made for only about half the cameras. MCC New York personnel discovered this failure on August 8th, 2019. But it was not repaired until after Epstein's death. The available recorded video footage from the one SHU camera captured a large part of the common area of the SHU and portions of the stairways leading to. to the different SHU tiers, including Epstein's cell tier. Epstein's cell door, however, was not in the camera's field of view. The two guards assigned to check Epstein's cell

overnight fell asleep and shopped online at their desk for about three hours and later falsified related records. Nonetheless, the government insists there was no foul play. And now they're trying to say that what they really care about is protecting Epstein's thousands of victims. One of our highest priorities is combating child exploitation and bringing justice to victims, perpetuating unfounded theories about Epstein serves neither of those ends. To that end, while we have labored to provide the public with maximum information regarding Epstein and ensured examination of any evidence in the government's possession, it is the determination of the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation

that no further disclosure would be appropriate or warranted. That's a departure from the Trump administration's attitude at the beginning of his term. One day after telling Fox News, she had Epstein's client list on her desk, Pam Boddy, distributed binders, marked declassified, to far right influencers at the White House. But it quickly became clear that the information inside was already public. So jank, despite these stunts, you might say, and all of these previous claims from the administration and many figures throughout the Trump camp, now suddenly they want everyone to believe that there's nothing to see here. It's all good. We're moving on. So there are two things to talk about it right now.

One is the video cameras, the other is the series of spectacular coincidences. So first on the video cameras. So there was a mysterious video camera recorder malfunction at the exact time that Epstein hung himself. But don't worry, they have one useless camera trained on a rando door in a rando common area. But wait, that doesn't show a cell at all. It shows a common area. It proves absolutely nothing. And it appears there's one minute missing from the video.

Oh, come on guys. I mean, this is the most incompetent cover up in the history of humanity. It's done so incompetently. We're going to tell you later in the show about how MAGA is like, oh, come on. We'll believe anything from Trump by this. This is the most unbelievable thing that anyone has ever. There's no clients and the video cameras were magically off and the guards were magically asleep and shopping. All of this magic happened, but don't worry, there's nothing to see here.

Okay, look, I don't know that a single Democrat believes that. I don't know that a single Republican believes that. I, you know, some weird defense of it from from folks to support Israel. I don't know why they're doing that. That's an interesting defense. It's not all of them, but some of them, and I find that super curious. Okay, so look, obviously the cameras, I mean, look, I just, if you can't understand that the camera's not working at the time and this junk video that they put out being

totally irrelevant since it doesn't show his cell, I mean, again, they're assuming, maybe they're assuming their voters are super dumb, and they're thinking, it doesn't matter what the Democrats think. It doesn't matter what independence thing. We just have to trick MAGA. And those guys will listen to anything Trump says. So if Trump says, no, don't believe you're lying eyes and ears, it is the command of the party that you listen to us instead of the truth. Okay, but as you're going to see, that's not even working because no one can. Okay, so now there's spectacular coincidences. And there's a lot of these. So did you know this? I did not know this until today. So parts of this I found out with a great interview we did with

Tara Palm Mary. You should check that out on our YouTube channel. Okay, she's a reporter's covered Epstein a lot. So Epstein was not a finance guy. He was a math teacher. But I didn't know until today who had hired him to be a math teacher when he had no college degree. Wait, what? Epstein didn't even have a college degree, okay? But he got hired anyway to a private school by the father of former attorney general Bill Barr. What? Okay, he was let off in 2000s with a very light slap on the wrist by a guy named Acosta, who later wound up being Donald Trump's labor secretary. Wait, what? He was a prosecutor. What does he have to do with labor secretary?

Did you know the top groomer that was helping Epstein, his number one, co-conspirated Gislai Maxwell, who's apparently unjustly in prison right now, if you believe the Trump administration. Because how could she have been a groomer and helped bring hundreds of victims to Epstein if there were no clients? And no one ever got abused. And no one's ever going to be prosecuted for it. Anyway, so she's there. Trump, by the way, said she's a very fine person twice after she was arrested and he knew that she was the top groomer in the country. Of course, Trump is also that said that Epstein was, quote, a terrific guy and he knew that he liked him young.

Okay, so not released under Democrats, not released under Trump. One last amazing coincidence. So that same Gislai Maxwell, her dad was an Israeli spy. Things that make you go, hmm, but hey, they, there's nothing to see here. Everyone should move along and the government isn't lying to you. This doesn't look like it's some sort of inside job by some sort of government at all. No, no, no, no, no. Now that Biden and Trump have told you that there's nothing, I'm sure nothing happened.

All those hundreds of victims, what, lied? They're all fictional. No one actually abused them. They weren't rich and powerful. They're not on tape. But we know they're on tape. And now you're not going to release any of the tapes and you're not going to charge any of the people. Okay, I mean, this is this, and then they wonder how people lose faith in government.

This is exactly how they lose faith in government, but a lot more. Go ahead, Jordan. Yeah, it just, this is so interesting to me because I think the right does a lot of things well on a, you know, movement and base wide level. They're really good at building up narratives. They're really good at message discipline, but it's really interesting to see here how figures in the Trump administration have backed themselves into a Warner rhetorically, you pointed out, we've talked about. They've said, oh, the list is on my desk and you have people like Cash Patel and J.D. Vance over the past several months or a year, a couple years talking about how the reason that you are dear beloved MAGA, the reason you're not

seeing these files is because corrupt co-conspirators and the Democratic Party and the government are hiding it from you. That's a lot to answer for when you're in power and you're saying, well, there's nothing to see here. And it is interesting to see how on some things, When the Trump administration betrays their base, I would argue, the, you know, the big, beautiful bill is a massive betrayal of their base. In some instances like that, they'll just accept it, they'll justify it. But here, they're so conditioned to expect transparency and feel entitled to, and I would argue there's, that's, there's truth to that, entitled to transparency in this, that they are freaking out. There's massive backlash against this administration. We'll get

into it more in the next segment, but I think the administration really poorly handled this and miscalculated how their own supporters would react. Yeah, and you know, I gotta say wait till Epstein finds out. He killed himself for nothing. Turns out there were no clients and there was no tape. Again, I challenge one person to raise their hand and say, I'm dumb enough to to believe this. So the conspiracy theory now is not that Epstein was murdered and he was working with some sort of intelligence agencies and blackmailed all those people. That is not the conspiracy theory. The conspiracy theory now is that the government is right and there were no clients and there was no file and there is no tape of the hallway and the guards

were just were vigilant but didn't happen to see what happened and that and we're all supposed to believe that all those powerful people didn't exist, didn't sleep with those people, didn't go to Lolita, you know, get on the Lolita Express and go on the Epsons Island. When we all know they did, we all know it. This is amazing. This is the US government under both parties saying we think our citizens are fooled. We'll treat them like fools and you are not allowed to lose faith in government. The politicians are honest and wonderful and they are not affected by money and Jeffrey Epstein was an upstanding individual who didn't have any clients at all and

just randomly killed himself for no reason and by the way we randomly arrested his co-conspirator and she's spending 20 years in prison but no powerful person actually slept with those young girls my ass says the entire country United for the first time on this issue. I don't see any dissent at all unless you're mentally challenged. Like you literally have mental problems and can't figure out that one plus one equals two. So you'd have to be, again, the most establishment loving, naive fool in the world to think that there were no clients and there was no list and there were no tapes.

They definitely were. Trump is definitely lying. So was Biden. So was every president that covered up this Epstein drama. Why? There's only one thing that could keep governments from revealing what happened under both parties and that some intelligence agency was involved. Either ours or an allies or both. I don't really even see a second theory. I mean, Here, Jordan, one last quick question for you for here. Do you see a second theory? What's the second theory that he just did it all on his own? But yet the government is somehow covering it for Epstein anyway because both Democrats

and Republicans, politicians and government officials all just randomly love Jeffrey Epstein and just wanted to cover it up because they're definitely covering it up. So why in the world would they cover it up if it wasn't for one of our intelligence agencies? I mean, it could be. You know, I think the simplest explanation, not necessarily the right one would just be, yeah, sure, he did it to blackmail people because he, you know, if he was some financier and he wanted their money and that would, you know, sustain his lifestyle, whatever. I think for me, the explanation is, yeah, Trump's in it. Trump's allies, his friends are in it. Just get rid of everything.

don't, don't leave any potential link out there, don't try to, you know, classify it or censored or omit documents, just get rid of everything, throw it all out, and that's how you avoid anyone getting caught up in it. Sure, you get, you know, you cover for some Democrats, but there's loyalty among the ultra wealthy and the powerful, even though they might pretend to hate each other publicly. I mean, sure, we know Bill Clinton has some sort of relationship with Jeffrey But you know, Trump is Clinton have gone back years. He was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. So there it's a big club and we're not in it. And I think despite their political differences and all of the rhetoric about how Democrats are ruining society, they still recognize, hey,

we can we run things here. And we're not gonna, we're not gonna break up this little club because then that just sets on, that sets out a new back and forth that I don't think anybody wants because then you started getting into other personal issues and you get other dirty laundry aired out there. And I don't think that's something they wanted to invite. That's the simplest explanation. Yeah, sure, it could be. We just don't know for sure on the intelligence agency stuff. No, Jordan's right. That's the second explanation, which is yeah, of course there's a client list, of course there were clients, of course there were tapes, but since very high-powered Republicans and Democrats were implicated, both parties are never going to let you know.

It wasn't involved in the intelligence agencies. They just happened. Epstein just stumbled upon all these super powerful people, got them all on tape with underage girls, but never used it or did use it just to get rich. And then both the Democrats or Republicans know it, but they won't ever tell you because they're both on the list. Plausible. That's a plausible second explanation. But there is no explanation where there were no clients, and there were, and there is no file and there are no tapes. That's not possible at all. So my guess is, of the two possibilities,

the one where he's connected to the intelligence agencies is far, far, far more likely. Not that that doesn't, by the way, preclude Jordan's theory. There seem to be very prominent Democrats and Republicans on that list, so it could be both. All right, we're going to take a quick break. When we come back, what does MAGA think of all? this? Are they saying, well, if Trump says it, then there must have been no Epstein files, or are they in open rebellion? Let's find out when we return. and Jordan with you guys. I'm amused by this YouTube member, so I'm going to read this.

J.T. Drum Shop said, my dog ate the client list, sorry. That'll be next. All right, Jordan, tell us about MAGA and Epstein. The Trump administration's attempt to scuttle all concern and speculation over the Epstein files has unsurprisingly upset the MAGA base and even provoked ally turned enemy Elon Musk. Musk posted this on X early this morning. What's the time? Oh, look, it's no one has been arrested o'clock again with the official Jeffrey Epstein pedophile arrest counter set at zero. And he also added, this is the final straw in response to somebody who said, what happened to the client list is on my desk? What happened to the Epstein files part two? What happened to those magical binders. What a farce. Musk spent the last day making his disappointment clear

and amplifying right wing figures who, for the last several years, have demanded transparency in the Epstein case. And this reignited a recent line of attack against Trump. Musk's skepticism comes just weeks after he accused former ally President Donald Trump of being in the Epstein files during an online spat before deleting the claim and admitting he went too far. Musk wasn't alone either. Right-wing agitator Mike Cernovich posted, no one is believing in the Epstein cover-up, Donald Trump. This will be part of your legacy. There's still time to change it. Right-wing influencer, Jack Posobic, tweeted, I want answers on Epstein, as many as possible, not press releases, answers.

But what many people have pointed out is conservative influencers like Pesovic were brought to the White House in February for exclusive access to the Epstein files. He posted this selfie on February 27th, holding the binder. Epstein files phase one. Another influencer who received one of those binders, Chad Prather, posted, where is the Epstein info the American people were promised? You handed us a notebook and promised more was on the way. He told us it existed, and now you say it doesn't, America deserves answers. But those binders weren't actually revealing. They contained no new information, and the administration promised more would be on the way. On the day of the binder stunt, Rolling Stone summarized it this way.

Conspiracy theorists, amateur investigators, and online cranks of all sorts were livid today as they came to realize that documents related to the late pedophile Jeffrey Epstein released by the Trump administration in a highly publicized spectacle contained zero new information despite promises of bombshell revelations. Their shock resembled nothing so much as Charlie Brown's surprise when Lucy pulls the football out from under him yet again. And now it seems like nothing never will be coming. No bombshells, no revelatory information, nothing. Now even Fox News's Peter Ducey is offering rare pushback to White House press secretary Caroline Levitt over this move from the administration. Take a look.

The FBI looks at the circumstances surrounding the death of Jeffrey Epstein. According to the report, this systematic review revealed no incriminating client list. So what happened to the Epstein client list that the attorney general said she had on her desk? Well, I think if you go back and look at what the attorney general said, that interview, which was on your network on Fox News. Go ahead. John Roberts said, DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen?

And she said, it's sitting on my desk right now to review. Yes, she was saying the entirety of all of the paperwork, all of the paper in relation to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. That's what the Attorney General was referring to, and I'll let her speak for that. But again, when it comes to the FBI and the Department of Justice, they are more than committed to ensuring that bad people are put behind bars. Okay, the client list must have just disappeared. But perhaps the funniest summary was from this ex-user who posted, I can't believe Epstein killed himself right before he was about to be acquitted

due to a complete lack of evidence. Now, Jank, this is interesting to me. You're seeing some of the most loyal Trump supporters publicly bashing him. What do you make of this? Yeah, because this is a bridge too far. And so look, the other, phenomenon is, as we've talked about a lot on TYT. Excuse me. So in the past, they got almost all their information from Fox News and it was a talking point machine. Now they're getting it from different shows. And all those shows have a number of disadvantages to them.

But the one thing that they were, and they have some disagreements between them, that's using, forcing people to use their independent judgment and look for evidence, for evidence, instead of the all lot is positive. And the one thing they all shared was that they thought, yeah, the Epstein files were disastrous. And remember all the talk the right wing had about, you know, pedophilia and petos and groomers and all that was connected to Epstein. So for them to now walk back and say that Epstein files were no big deal,

they'll have a revolt from their own followers and their own viewers. So it just goes to almost every show. Patrick Bet David's show was going, what the hell is going on? Vincent Oshano was livid over it on that show. Adam Sussnick, who supports Israel, was trying to say it's no big deal. But if we found out the list, America would be so badly damaged. How would he know? I don't know.

So other than some random Israeli supporters, no one is defending this that I've seen. And now I want to show you guys some of the people who were really angry about. And wait until we get to Alex Jones. That's coming up, him crying and vomiting in a second. But there's two of the biggest people who were living about the Epstein files were Cash Patel and Dan Bongino. Let's take a little look at how it was and how it's going. Why is the FBI protecting the greatest pederist, the largest scale pederist in human history? Simple because of who's on that list.

Put on your big boy pants and let us know who the pedophiles are. We have an election coming up and we need to adjudicate this matter at the polls. God knows the FBI and DOJ aren't going to do anything. That Jeffrey Epstein story is a big deal. Please do not let that story go. Keep your eye on this. Catherine Rumler, I want you, we need to keep the heat on this case, folks. There are a lot of people who are knee deep in the Washington swamp who are not telling you the truth.

You said Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. People don't believe it. Well, I mean, listen, they have a right to their opinion, but as someone who has worked, as a public defender, as a prosecutor who's been in that prison system, who's been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing, you know a suicide when you see one, and that's what that was. He killed himself. Again, you want me to get, I've seen the whole file. He killed himself. Oops. Oh, yeah, this is the biggest problem, man.

And he all day, he was the worst of the worst. Who was Jeffrey Anderson? I don't even know him. Oh, he killed himself. No, don't look, don't look. He doesn't even have any clients. There's no files at all. I, it's impossible not to be super curious

about what happened to Dan Bongino and Catch Mattel. I mean, we're a little curious from the left. On the right, they are, now it's just a giant, It's just a giant factory of what the F, right? And they're, because they, we never believed in cash Patel and Dan Bojino. But the right wing, the MAGA voters, et cetera, they believed in those guys completely. And they believed that they were on the Epstein file, you know, case, and they were gonna reveal it. So when they come in and betray MAGA like this and say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you're all conspiracy theorists, you're all imagining it, there are no clients, there is no files.

oh my god they're livid living speaking of livid let's go to alex jones for a sec i just got to the office i'm going to go throw up actually and i this only happens every few years when something really really bad happens or something i mean i'm physically going to pute probably right now my mouth is watering right now because i because i have integrity and uh you know i just really need the trump administration to secure and to save this country and they're doing so much good and then for them to do something like this tears my guts up. Alex Jones's guts out. All right, one last one, Benny Johnson. I mean, if anyone is reliable

in kissing Trump's ring, it's Benny Johnson, right? But no, no, in this case, he says to say there are thousands of victims in a convicted sex trafficking ring, and then to say there were no customers when the operation happened right before our very eyes insults our intelligence. He went on to say trafficking women to no one, I don't buy it. There are other dark forces at play here. And then he quotes Orwell, which I agree with. And I actually had the same quote in one of my tweets. The party told you to reject evidence of your eyes and ears.

It was their final most essential command, right? And the party in this case is the Republican Party and Trump. So that is almost all of Trump supporters going, yeah. Not buying it. Not buying it at all. And I'm sure some of them will come up with kooky conspiracy theories. Oh, Trump actually wants to protect the Democrats because he's such a nice guy. I don't know. I haven't seen it yet. I'm sure some portion of them will come up with that. But as you can see, the overwhelming majority here going, no, the government is lying. I don't care that Trump is president. Of course there were clients. So Jordan,

what do you make of it? Yeah, I just, how do you have potential? thousands of victims and nobody, nobody else. It's just him. The math doesn't add up. It just doesn't, it defies all logic and reason. So it's so obvious that even these people can't pretend to tow the line. There are many other instances where Trump will obviously lie and the tariffs and the economy, the beginning of his term. Markets were not doing well generously, will say they were unstable and they were defying the question of up or market growth or stability. Like they were questioning basic math. This is so obvious. So they won't even do that.

No, they know this is this is not true. They know there are other materials, documents, evidence, figures involved that are being protected for whatever reason. It is, it's just interesting to see this is where they break from him. And I think it speaks to how effective the right has used this as a cudgel over the years, because they tried to make this into a partisan issue. I think there are plenty of people on the left who also thought that transparency was sorely needed, and they expected many Democrats to be involved.

I don't think that prevented them from caring or forced them to ignore people like Bill Clinton who had connections to this guy. Some, sure, but the more prominent ones, I don't think so. But it's interesting to see this is the issue, this is the hill they will die on. That's fascinating to me. Because at the end of the day, sure, we'll get more transparency. You want, I guess, to some extent, I don't know if more transparency leads to justice for the victims, but I guess an argument could be made that it does. But it's not something that's going to like materially change people's quality of life.

And that's what's so, this is the hill they chose to die on. Something that is more about a narrative and scandal versus something that will, you know, address the cost of living for people or, you know, affect the costs of groceries or housing or whatever. It just, it's fascinating to me. You saw some people break out on Iran and war and foreign policy, and that's great. But nothing like what we're seeing here, a unified front on the right, all criticizing Trump. And that's just, it's wild. Yeah. So, you know, that's a great point. So I wanna break you down to three different categories here. There's the categories where, you know, Trump's voters were betrayed in a lot of ways,

but they refused to acknowledge it. So for example, in the budget bill, they said that they hated the dead and they didn't want to add a dollar to the dead and they wanted to cut, cut, cut. They added $3.3 trillion to the debt. But in that one, they're gonna make excuses. Oh, no, magically, the ritual trickle on us and it'll bloom flowers that'll get us $3.4 trillion. The magic works, right? So they lie to themselves to get themselves to believe that they didn't just massively add to the debt when they absolutely did, right?

And then there's other ones like the tariffs. Oh, yeah, it seems to be increasing prices and leading to volatility and hurts the consumer and is a regressive tax selling consumer. But, no, in the future, you will see the genius of Donald Trump as the tariffs magically bloom and create lots of revenue. and it doesn't cause inflation at all, et cetera, right? So I can understand why, because there's easier pathways to lie to yourself, right? And it's so much easier to say, no, no, no, in the future, right? But here, there's a couple of problems they have. One, they're shutting the door on the future.

They're saying, we're never going to release any names. Okay, so you can't say, oh, no, no, no, but magically Trump will later, right before he goes out of office, we'll release all the names. No, because he's saying, no, I'm not going to. I mean, he might as well scream, I'm on the list, I'm on the list, right? I mean, he says he, him and Epstein were best friends for 15 years. He said he knew that Epstein liked him young. He wished Galane Maxwell well after she was caught and was going to trial, etc.

She's the biggest groomer, et cetera. So look, but there's plenty of probably plenty of Democrats on the list too. That's why they didn't release it either. Now, or they have other reasons that are, you know, aligned with the Democratic Party or are government in some way, why the Democrats didn't release it. Okay, but then there's a second bucket where folks like Rogan are going, you know what? I said, you know, deport the criminals, close the border. I didn't mean deport all undocumented immigrants from the middle of the country and take them

away from their jobs and their families, et cetera. That's kind of a, well, maybe you did and maybe you didn't, but I'm glad that you're saying you didn't now, I'll take it as, you know, a sign that you realized that you went for a guy who was too extreme, right? And so that's kind of the middle ground. And then there's the third category, which interestingly enough almost all relate to Israel. It could be that it's a coincidence. So here's what I mean by that. So one is on Gaza, when Israel and America, including Trump are like, no, Gaza's fine. The Palestinians are the terrorists.

The Israelis are a moral army and they weren't trying to kill any civilians. But now, Rogan, almost all the independent podcasters, and even some portion of Magar are like, guys, we have eyes and ears. Gaza is totally leveled. Pierce Morgan is flipped. She totally leveled. You guys are insulting our intelligence. The whole thing's a freaking parking lot.

You've killed at least minimum 56,000 people, minimum 30,000 women and children. And you're pretending you're not doing it on purpose, that it was always a mistake and that you'd only meant to kill Hamas. No one believes you because we have eyes and ears. And now this is the second thing that goes into that bucket. You're telling us that there were no clients. Thousands of hours of tape of molestation and pedophilia, but golly, gee, you can't find one guilty person there other than I've seen and Maxwell.

No one believes you. We all have eyes and ears. So why are both the Democrats and the Republicans in the United States government lying to us on purpose about both of those things? And they're not going to be able to cover up. I don't, you'd have to be the deepest MAGA in the world to think, oh yeah, I believe Donald Trump on this. I honestly they haven't seen one person online say that yet. I'm sure there are. I'm sure there are, right? But even the major MAGA influencers are too embarrassed to defend this because it is indefensible. So whatever was foul play regarding Epstein, it's now obvious the Trump administration is in on it. And even his own voters and supporters are painfully aware of it.

All right. So let's take a quick break here. Speaking of Israel, we have more disaster from Israel, including that Rogan piece that I just mentioned. We'll be right back. All right, back on T.I.T. Jenkins, Jordan, with you guys. I'll read one YouTube member comment. Allison Macklin said, is there anything that's not corrupt? No, unfortunately, as I've been telling you for 23 straight years. No, all of Washington is corrupt. The idea that it's a few bad apples is nonsense. They're institutional, institutionally and systematically and systemically corrupt. The money is the corruption. They're all, almost all of them are bought.

Although today, we have one of the very rare candidates in the country who is not bought. He is taking the no corporate PAC pledge. That's why he's joined the rebellion. So at 8 o'clock Eastern tonight, the new rebellion Senate candidate. You guys are going to love him. So stay right here for that. Jordan, what's next though? Take a look at this.

Yeah, October 7th. was awful. Absolutely. Terrible attack. But also, what they've done to Gaza is fucking insane. It's insane. And if you can't see that, if you can't say that, and your response is, Israel has the right to defend itself. Like, what are you talking about? Against what?

Children? Against women and children that are getting blown apart, against aid workers that are getting killed? It's insane. And no one wants to talk about it. And if you do talk about it, you're anti-Semitic, which is so strange. I don't know how they wrangled that. They wrangled that. Joe Rogan is making some of his strongest comments thus far against Israel's genocide in Gaza,

arguing that what they've done is, quote, effing insane. Rogan's guest on this episode of his podcast was Majad, a tech CEO whose father is a Palestinian refugee. He tells Rogan the story of his grandparents getting forced out of Palestine during the 1948 Nakba, And here's how Joe responded. Take a look. That whole thing we're kicking people out of Palestine is such an inconvenient story today. When people are talking about Israel and Palestine and the conflict, they do not like talking about what happened in 1948. Now, Rogan isn't the only conservative Manosphere podcaster, speaking out against the atrocities in Gaza.

We're hearing very similar takes from people like Tim Dillon and Theo Vine. Take a look. Are the people that are starving in Gaza now, is it better? Do they have food? Or is it, or what is happening over there? Israel tanks kill 59 people in Gaza crowd trying to get food. Well, not ideal. Not ideal.

And this is from that Hamas rag, Reuters. Israel military kills 23 Palestinians near aid site in Gaza. Witnesses and medics say, what is the argument for killing the people trying to get food? Does it make sense for the United States to fund that behavior? You see all these photos of people, just children, women, people, body parts, just people like putting their kids back together. And I just can't believe that we're watching that.

And that more isn't said about it. I think we're watching probably like, you know, one of the sickest things that's ever happened. It just, it feels to me like it's a genocide that's happening. Now we're gonna hear from someone who is totally fine with thousands of innocent civilians being killed. But first, Jank, what do you make of Joe Rogan's comments? Yeah, so look, these independent broadcasters are actually independent.

And that doesn't mean that they're gonna agree with you. It doesn't mean that they're gonna agree with you on most of the things. And I don't know if you're on the right or the left, if you're watching or if you're in the middle. But they have no obligation to agree with you. But they also have no obligation to agree with Fox News. So in the old days you had MSNBC and Fox News and they were talking point machines. And they both spit out talking points for the Republican Party and Democratic Party. So since a lot of these podcasters voted for Trump, there was a belief that, oh, well, then they must be just like

the old days, so they're gonna back what Trump says 100% just like every anchor on Fox News did in his first term, right? Unquestioningly, and every right wing media hosted in his first term. Well, you know, I said that they wouldn't. And here they are, they're not doing it. And so the important part of that guy isn't, you know, who's right and who's wrong. What the important part is they are actually using their eyes and ears. They are actually using their independent judgment. And we might get super frustrated that their judgment doesn't agree with us even most of the time. But they're not robots. They're real people and they're looking at Gaza and going, it makes me sick. And I don't want to fund that. And I don't know

why we're funding that. Because in the old days, if you were on cable news, it didn't matter if you're right, left, middle, nothing mattered. If you said that about Israel, you were going to get fired and you were going to get called an anti-Semite and your career was going to to be over. This is why I prefer the populist woods, because here are three of the top podcasters that voted for Trump, all saying this is nonsense what Israel is doing in Gaza. It's disgusting and it is indefensible. By the way, in Israeli soldiers now join them. We're going to share those comments in a second with you, right? And so the fact that truth is breaking out in American media is amazing to the point Jordan where Rogan started

questioning 1948 I mean that is a different level of third rail that you can't touch because there's the mythology around 1948 that they came in and there was no people there at all and and and then when the when the Israelis declared a state the Palestinians decided to go on a picnic and never came back no they were driven from their homes they that's that's what happened it might make you uncomfortable and you might not want to hear I hear that, but that's definitely what happened. The Israelis drove the Palestinians out.

That's why it's called the Nakba. And yes, they murdered a lot of them. It wasn't like they were having a picnic and had a slight disagreement and moved their families' houses, moved where they had lived for hundreds, some of them thousands of years. No, they were driven from there.

So that doesn't mean that Israel shouldn't exist today. Many, many things have happened since that, right? But the idea that Israel is the victim, the victim and then the Muslims are the terrorists and the dirty savages and the violent ones. That mythology is finally breaking on the left and the right. So that's why I think it's a beautiful day in America that these guys did turn out to be independent. Yeah, what's been interesting over the past couple of years is in addition to just the growing base of support for Palestinians and potentially a Palestinian state or some sort of solution where everyone has equal rights there. You see a deeper understanding across the board of the history.

I think what was so effective, especially early, was the pro-Israel camps framing of this as starting on October 7th. And this isn't to dismiss innocent civilians being killed on October 7th, certainly not. We never want to see innocent civilians killed anywhere. But there is decades and decades of context that help people understand why an event, like that might occur. And you're seeing like this, do you ever, I don't know if I ever would have expected Joe Rogan to talk about the knockba in, you know, sympathetic terms. But here, but here we are. So as this war has raged on and more and more people see it as just disgusting and something that they can't tolerate or remain silent for, there has been a deeper level

of education and understanding, which has been interesting to watch. But, you know, while more and more independent podcasters and people with eyes and ears are condemning this war, people who support Benjamin Netanyahu, like Alan Dershowitz, are continuing to defend the slaughter of civilians. Take a look. They hide behind children and babies. They use them as human shields. And that's why Israel has to go in in order to dismantle Hamas. They tragically, Israel, benefits from killing a civilian. Why would any Israeli ever want to kill a civilian? So why does it keep doing that? They lose in your court of public opinion. They lose on your television show if they kill a civilian. They don't want to kill civilians. Hamas makes them

kill someone. But if you want to destroy Hamas, you have to kill the civilians who are being used as human shields. It's a tragic choice. I wish Israel didn't have to make it. slaughtering civilians is exactly what they're doing. Not according to us, but according to an IDF soldier who blew the whistle. An Israeli reservist who served three tours of duty in Gaza has told Sky News that his unit was often ordered to shoot anyone entering areas, soldiers defined as no-go zones, regardless of whether they posed a threat. A practice, he says, left civilians dead where they fell. We have a territory that we are in, and the commands are, everyone that comes inside needs to die. If they're inside, they're dangerous, and you need to kill them, no matter

who it is. He said troops killed civilians arbitrarily, and that the criteria for whether or not to open fire on civilians varied depending on the commander. They might be shot, they might be captured. It really depends on the day, the mood of the commander. Every commander, can choose for himself what he does, so it's kind of like the Wild West. So some commanders can really decide to do war crimes and bad things and don't face the consequences of that. The soldier described a prevailing belief among troops that all Gossans were terrorists, even when they were clearly unarmed civilians. This perception, he said, was not challenged and was often endorsed by commanders.

Cenk, how do you feel when you hear that? Yeah, so I'm actually heartened to see now a number of IDF soldiers talking to the press, mainly in Israel, this one happens to be outside of Israel, and saying, my conscience can't bear this. We've become the bad guys and I can't stand it anymore. And it's not just IDF soldiers, it's two former Israeli prime ministers saying, saying the same thing is by the way, powerful movie from Brave New Films, Gaza journalist under fire. Check it out on brave newfilms.org. Holocaust survivors saying no, no, no, no, no, no, no, stop, please stop, please stop. We're not supposed to be doing this. We're

supposed to be fighting against this. So, okay, of course, the die-hard Israeli supporters remain, like Alan Dershowitz. And now, full-blown terrorist ideology. That's what we're Dershowitz just said. He said, we had to kill the civilians. You know Hamas says the same exact thing. They say the Israeli civilians are hiding behind their democracy and they're the ones who are occupying the Palestinians. They're the ones voting to occupy us. They're the ones selecting these leaders to kill us and to take our land. So we didn't have a choice. We had to kill the Israeli civilians. And now Dershowitz is saying the mirror image. He's saying, Well, Hamas is hiding behind their civilians, so we had to murder their civilians.

That is terrorist ideology. And it's not that surprising because Israel's now become a terrorist state. And so they've now killed 500 times the number of children that Hamas has killed in this same conflict. Hamas killed 36 Israeli kids. It's a, it's a crime, it's terrible, it's awful. those poor kids, they didn't do anything wrong, they were just kids. Now Israel has killed well over 17,000 kids. And as you see from the soldiers, and this is not the first story.

This is one of many, many, many. You should read into Operation Salted Fish where they're basically playing red light green light with Palestinians trying to get food. Squid games level horrors, the Where's Daddy program where the AI pick someone to kill, They wait till he gets home so they murder his children and his family with him. These are decisions that Israeli commanders are making kill the civilians. That's because they're terrorists. Either the word terrorism means something and applies to both sides if they both go to kill

civilians on purpose, or it doesn't mean anything, and it's just a racist term that people like Dershowitz use, because they don't want to say, oh, I want you to all hate Muslims so Israel can get more of their land. So they have to say like, oh, they're not, they're terrorists, terrorists. And then when you say, well, aren't you killing civilians? Of course, of course Israel has to kill civilians. No, Israel does not have to kill civilians. They choose to, that's what makes them a terrorist state.

And yes, when you kill 500 times the number of children that the terrorist group Hamas has, then you're 500 times the terrorist. So I love that the independent broadcasters and podcasters have broken from the Muslim and the war crimes of the current government of Israel. I commend them for that. I wish they got there earlier, but I'll take the win as it is. And obviously for the, and isn't that amazing? Actually, one last thing real quick, Jordan.

Those guys, the podcasters I heard were never going to break from Trump, broke from Trump on this quicker than mainstream media. Because right now mainstream media is still pretending that Israel's innocent and they're not a terrorist state and that they're not killing, is on purpose. I don't see any cable news anchors doing that. Do you see a single cable news anchor that said what Joe Rogan, Tim Dillon, or Theo Vaughn said? I don't know. I think they will try everything they can to spin this. Like what I've been thinking a lot about is how they have try to dispel any factual reporting or estimates of civilian deaths and say, well, trying to

discredit all of it as, well, these numbers, these are Hamas numbers, or no, these people weren't civilians. And I think it is, it is encouraging that now soldiers are speaking up, but what they saw, sure, we're seeing aid groups and intergovernmental bodies and nonprofits. They've been sounding alarm for years. Maybe I'm completely off base and maybe I'm too optimistic. My hope here is that people within those ranks, when you actually have IDF soldiers saying, no, no, they're doing this, they're encouraging it. We know what we're doing and it's wrong. Hopefully that is what could be a catalyst for, you know, an undeniable groundswell of opposition within Israel and the Israeli government. I mean, this gets into larger conversations around Netanyahu trying to

preserve power, of course. But hopefully that becomes impossible to ignore. And maybe that is the avenue. Maybe I'm being optimistic. Maybe I'm being way too wildly optimistic. But it does seem like a source like that and more people like that could be the catalyst for change. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, last thing I'll say on it is that the one thing I'm sure of is the very last people on earth who will break from Israel is American mainstream media and American politicians. The overwhelming majority of Congress will be the last ones on that hill. And they'll, to the end, to the bitter end, as they see Israel commit one horrific act of terrorism after another, after another, and on a mass scale that creates a genocide, we're all seeing

it. Starving the Palestinians to death, we're all seeing it. The people are the most corrupt people on earth are our congressmen and senators who go, no, the APAC money tells me they did not do that. They are an innocent, wonderful moral army, and all the no good Muslims are the savage terrorist. That's the absolute scum of the earth that are politicians. They'll be the last 535 people in this country to stand with Israel's genocide. To be fair, there's wonderful about a couple of dozen or so that are not in that group. So about last 500 to stand with Israel's genocide. Great people like Bernie Sanders, Rokana, and others have already broken from it and can't stand that we're funding this all right um god damn we're out of time you know what let's

i i got the interview coming up all right we're gonna have to save the last story for another day we would have been a good conversation all right jordan thank you brother we appreciate it check out rebel hq everybody uh and we'll be right back I don't know.