The Young Turks - Epstein Survivor Interview - September 9, 2025

Episode Date: September 10, 2025

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Anushka DiGiorgio. Oh, to Georgia. Yeah, she was the first survivor to come public in the UK about what Epstein had done. And she's incredible, so we're gonna interview her today. So she's on the program in a little bit. Israel strikes Qatar, which is an epic disaster. We'll explain to you why it is in a second. Donald Trump seems to be in favor of domestic violence.

We'll get to that. But here's your quick breaking news. Marjorie Taylor Green was on the show yesterday. She was pushing for two amendments to cut funding to Israel. The Rules Committee today did not allow for a vote on those amendments. So you're not even allowed to vote against Israel. Like even if you wanted to, which almost know what in Congress does, because it's only a, they're only in the middle of a genocide and one of the worst ethnic cleansing, you know,

war crimes in our, in the history of our, or in our lifetimes. But we're all being forced to pay for it. We're not allowed to question it. And they're not even allowed to vote on it. They're not allowed to vote on it in the U.S. Congress. You must give money to Israel, no matter what, they could slaughter, they could holocaust, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Israel gets everything.

But if you say that, you'll be fired from mainstream media. Okay, last thing, but an amendment that is likely to pass, hasn't passed yet, is Bobert reintroduced a bill to say that if you boycott Israel, all your contracts will be canceled with the Defense Department and you, you can criticize America all you want, you can boycott America all you want, but if you boycott Israel, your First Amendment rights will be stripped away from you and and so will your contracts and you will not be able to put food on on the table for your family because you have defied the great state of Israel. Anyone who thinks that Israel doesn't control America is an idiot or a liar.

Those are your only two options, okay? So just to be clear, let's let's just call it like it is, Congresswoman Lauren Bobert, a Republican lawmaker, but it really wouldn't make a difference if she were a Democratic lawmaker because Congress is chock full of them. Doesn't believe in the constitutional rights of the American people, does not believe that the American people should have the right to criticize a foreign government, specifically one foreign government. And of course, that's the government of Israel. And she believes that our federal government should be able to essentially punish or retaliate against Americans or the American people in the form of denying them or

canceling them government contracts if they criticize a foreign government. That's, that's exactly what this is. Let's just be clear about that. 90% of our Congress is controlled by the Israeli lobby. They get, give them money, they've given them hundreds of millions of dollars. APEC was the number one donor in this election cycle to members of Congress. Mainstream media's job is to lie to you to be thugs who protect Israel at all costs. And if anyone brings up, not only will they not share those facts with you, but if anyone does,

share those facts. The job of the media is not to back up facts and truth. The job of the media is to lie and smear anyone who does bring up facts, call them names and try to ruin their lives on behalf of Israel. So mainstream media, you disgust me, you don't do news at all, you're a bunch of low-level marketing executives for Israel, and you don't even know it. And of course, our politicians do know how corrupt they are. They sicken me, none of them represent, almost none of them represent America, they work for a different country, they literally get paid by that country, and we've legalized those bribes. So if you're wondering why we're obsessed about this issue, well, it's because we don't have a sovereign country. We don't have a democracy.

We don't have a democracy. Oh my God, Trump's going to take away our democracy. Too late, Israel already took it away. That's true. All right. Yeah, that is true. So constitutional rights be damned. If it offends the sensibilities of the far right genocidal Israeli government, well,

you're not allowed to have those constitutional rights. It's pretty disgusting, but that's where we are. Speaking of that terrorist regime, let's talk about what just happened in Qatar. Yeah, we see multiple images emerging, Diane, of smoke rising over the horizon in Doha, the capital of Qatar. The Israeli defense forces releasing a statement saying that they have targeted the senior leadership of Hamas, if indeed it is the case that they've targeted and killed senior members of Hamas, a mass leadership who are involved in negotiations, it effectively cancels

any talk of a ceasefire, any talk of hostage release, any talk of ending the war. This would be a major development and very serious one too. Well, that analysis is absolutely correct. Today, Israel, the Israeli government just definitively proved without a shadow of a doubt that they have absolutely no interest in a ceasefire deal with Hamas, they have no interest in a hostage deal, and make no mistake about it, the family members of the hostages are absolutely furious about this. Now after months of alleged diplomatic talks in Doha, Qatar, the IDF targeted Hamas's leadership and negotiating team, more importantly, in an unprecedented airstrike.

So let me be clear, this is yet another country, another sovereign country that Israel has carried out air strikes in. Now loud explosions were heard in Doha and smoke was seen over an area that's both residential and home to a number of foreign embassies. Here you can see CCTV footage of the moment the airstrike hit in Doha. And Israel immediately took full credit for the strike. Israeli defense forces and Shinbet intelligence agency said shortly after the bombings that they had carried out a precise strike targeting the senior leadership of the Hamas terrorist organization.

Let me just say, as far as the targets go, it doesn't appear that Israel succeeded. Now we're waiting on additional confirmation about that. that, but think about how disastrous this is. They just torpedoed any possibility of peace talks with Qatar essentially mediating those peace talks. And on top of that, they essentially have communicated to every country in the region. We will bomb you, we don't care about your sovereignty, we will do as we please. Now a joint statement from Netanyahu's office and Israeli defense minister, Israel Katz, described the attack on Hamas as a retaliation for murderous attacks in Jerusalem and Gaza.

On Monday, two gunmen opened fire at a Jerusalem bus stop killing six people, which leads me to ask a question that no one else seems to have the courage to ask, I guess, considering the high number of civilian deaths, slaughters that have taken place in Gaza, does that mean that the Houthis have the right to defend the Ghazans, or that Hamas has the right to defend the Ghazans, or that some new militia within the Palestinian populace has the right to defend themselves? I mean, really think about this, Jank. Can Qatar, considering the fact that their country has just been attacked by Israel have the right to retaliate? No, like not only Israel, but our deeply corrupt politicians and our deeply corrupt media in America

say that only Israel has the right to defend themselves. And their right to defense includes bombing all of their neighbors. They could obliterate all their neighbors and they have infinite rights. You on the other hand have no rights. If you're an American taxpayer, shut up and pay for Israel's wars. If you're a Palestinian, shut up and die and you have no right to defend yourself. If you raise your hand against mighty Israel, we will call you a terrorist murder, you and your family. That's a sick, actual terrorist that are the Israeli government.

Israel is a terrorist state. Let me tell you why this strike against Qatar is a disaster for everyone, including Israel, and most importantly, including America. So number one, Qatar was holding talks for the peace process, as Anna explained, and now they obviously won't. So the peace process is gone. And this is them trying to kill the negotiators for Hamas. They've already, they already killed the negotiator for Iran when we were in the middle of a peace process with Iran.

So you know someone doesn't want peace when they murder the peace negotiators. Those are the terrorists inside the Israeli government. The entire Israeli government is nothing but terrorists. Now I'm using technical words here. Killing civilians on purpose, Israel has murdered, the 80. 3% civilian rate in Gaza, 64,000 people at a bare minimum. There is no question they're targeting terrorists and civilians. Hamas only has a 67% civilian kill ratio.

So if Hamas is terrible, disgusting terrorists, then Israel is worse, disgusting terrorists. There's no question about it. The only people who will say no are people who are racist against Palestinians and Arabs and Muslims. And the racist in our media and our politicians say killing Arabs and attacking Arab countries is irrelevant because their lives are worthless, and the only lives that matter are precious Israeli lives because they bribe members of our Congress. And that is what they do when they give campaign contributions, that is a legalized bribe. So now, more disasters.

Israel's attacked now six neighboring countries, all in self-defense. Self-defense, my ass, they're a rogue pariah state. Now think about it, guys. If now for problems for Israel, no one will ever engage in peace negotiations with Israel because they literally murder anyone who tries to bring peace. So you can say, oh, Hamas, oh, we technically call them terrorists. It doesn't matter what you call them. And they're dumbasses here in America, whether they're Republicans or Democrats,

but mainly stupid people in media pretending to be journalists. Oh, the Arabs are all terrorists. You can't call Israel terrorists. But they killed so much more. They killed 60 times the number of civilians in Hamas, that 500 times. No, it doesn't matter. Palestinian children are worth nothing, Qatar is worth nothing. But you morons, that leads to another problem.

We have a giant American base in Qatar. So now Qatar is gonna say, wait, the whole point of having an American base is so that we feel safe. We're giving you a thousand things, you know, lower prices on natural gas, on it, and we're giving you security, we're giving you our country to have a basin, we're giving you everything. And now because of these terrorists, you buy. our own country after we gave you a goddamn base. Now, you know what that does that endangers American troops? But Israel endangers American troops for a living. That's all they ever do.

Go to Iraq, go to Iran, go die in Qatar. Israel has to do more terrorism. They're these goddamn terrorists in Israel. They're driving up war all across the world, and they're doing it. Why? I don't feel safe until everyone around me is murdered. Okay, no, the real terrorist, Unquestionably, unless you're a sick, racist, biased person is Israel. Don't tell me they're not terrorists because Arab lives and Muslim's lives don't matter. And that is what every supporter of Israel says. Who cares about them? Who cares?

Oh my God, six Israelis died the other day. Those are real human beings. You guys have to cover it. You have to cover out those six humans. Not the 64,000 non-humans. Qatar, who cares about them? Well, now Israel, you morons, you turn the entire gull. with their infinite amount of money against Israel.

Before they were going to know, no, no, Anna, they were doing the Abraham Accords. They were playing patty cakes. No, no, no. I'm sorry, but these Gulf countries have been, they're atrocities. And I'm not talking about the people in those countries. I'm talking about the governments who have sat by, okay, watching the mass slaughter of the Palestinian people in Gaza, in the West Bank. They haven't done anything.

They haven't done anything. And so I don't have any faith in the governments of these Gulf countries at all. Because they've already been castrated to being Israel's bitches. I know, but Anna, so this is what changes the dynamic here. Why it's not good for Israel, but they never listen because the people running their government is 100% terrorists. Terrorists don't listen to rationale and reason. So Anna, they had the Gulf countries totally neutered. They couldn't wait to make a deal.

In round two of Trump, they were going to make a deal that expanded the Abraham Accords, and they were going to sell out the Palestinian people. They were. They're still going to do it. Okay, no, but now they've been attacked. And you know what's going to happen right now? I guarantee you today, officials from Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia, and others are meeting right now going, none of us are safe.

We thought being with America meant we were safe. it turns out America will betray us in one second flat to help Israel do terrorism against us. So do not trust America. Do not trust their troops. So let's make sure that we fight like hell against America, not because of anything America did, but because, oh, we have to support the terrorists in Israel. We have to. All of you Americans, you don't have a choice, take money out of your paycheck, go back to work. Go get two jobs. You haven't given Israel enough. And when we question, should we be giving money to terrorists? Should we be giving money to a country committing genocide as we speak?

They say, how dare you? You owe Israel. I don't owe Israel a goddamn thing. Israel owes America a ton, a ton. But they're the most ungrateful country I have ever seen in my life. They're not an ally. All they ever do is get us in trouble, get us in wars, get the whole world to hate us. They're disgusting.

Cut Israel off. Cut them off. They hate America. They make fun of us behind our back. They're laughing at us now. Are you kidding me? They talk about slaughtering Americans who disagree with doing whatever and everything they want publicly. I would know I've experienced it. And I put up a post on X today. I mean, this is so common that we normally don't share it with you. But I said, look, this is going to destroy the peace process for anyone who cares about peace. And it can hurt our troops. First comment, of course, is from an Israeli botter troll, and he says, you're next.

100%. They regularly threaten the lives of American citizens who dare to criticize Israel. Okay. So that's what terrorists do, because that's what the government of Israel and their supporters here. Oh, go Israel, go kill more Palestinians. You ever murdered enough babies? That's who you are if you support Israel. Right now, you're supporting a genocide.

governmental government, filled with terrorists, and you're a deep racist if you do that. Okay, don't tell me about anti-semitism. You lost all rights to talk about anti-semitism when you say that Palestinian lives are worthless. You sicken me. Stop supporting terrorism and war and stop making us pay for your beloved Israel. If you love Israel that much, get the hell out of our country. Go back to Israel. Okay, go to Israel if you love it so much.

Stop buying our politicians. stop bullying the American people and stop murdering everyone around you. So it has nothing to do with self-defense, an aggressive imperial colonial empire looking to destroy everyone around them so they can set up their beloved greater Israel. They're loathsome. Well, we have an interview coming up next. We'll revisit this story and give you some more details, including the White House's response to it. Stick around.

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out and be public about what you've gone through and how important you find it to release the Epstein files, because I know it's not easy. Yeah, thank you so much. Thank you for having me here and thank you for acknowledging that. And it was a decision that was made after much consideration. And I really had to weigh what, you know, the cost of coming out publicly, which is great cost, really, to my own mental health and also to bad of my family. what this really meant, not only to the other survivors, but on a bigger scale to

survivors in general and to people being incentivized to come forward. Because at this point, there's really no incentive for any survivor of this type of abuse, especially at the hands of such high end situation. There's no incentive for them to come forward and every incentive for them to remain silenced. Absolutely, I agree with you on that. And so it does take a tremendous amount of courage. And you know, let me just kind of start at the beginning. I don't really want to get into the details of the abuse itself. I kind of want to understand, you know, how old were you when you were approached and groomed? I want to know how they basically sought you out, basically.

Right. So I was, I was around 16 when I met Gillen Maxwell through some mutual friends, sort of apparently it seemed randomly that we had met and it was immediately apparent that she was this incredible like older woman who was very charismatic very sophisticated and so I was really excited to meet her and she seemed so interested in me and and you know as a 16 17 year old you want to feel special you want to feel important you want to feel seen heard recognized validated right so at that point she took an interest in me said she'd love to meet with me, we happened to have, I was, I was ready to go to Oxford University and I had a place waiting for me contingent on my grades. So we arranged to meet up in London for tea after

meeting in Paris. And then after that, she reached out to me, invited me over, and then the grooming began or the grooming continued, because really the grooming by perpetrators of this kind is right from the onset. And it's subliminal and it's covert and it's insidious. So it's these little tiny reinforcing of, you know, reinforcing of, you know, how important you are to them and how special you are and what kind of special relationship you can have with this person. And I believe you were a model at the time, right? I had done some modeling. I mean, I was living with my mother because I was 16 years old. So I was in school. So why, how did she reach out to you? Like what was the reason for her

to reach out to you and show interest in you? Well, because we'd been introduced by mutual friends, it was already, there was already a connection and I already felt a level of safety because A, she was a woman, B, she was closer to the age of my mother or my parents than, you know, than any of my other contemporaries. So I also had this deference, right, of thinking, oh, I, you know, I have to respect this person. And really, it was just, she was so interested. She was like, tell me about you. You're so amazing. I really want to learn more about you. Wow, you're going to Oxford. I went to Oxford. Finding points of connection. And that's where it sort of began. And then the invitation to come and spend time with her, I felt very flattered. I felt,

oh my goodness, she's choosing me and she knows all these important people. And so then when I had tea with her, this reinforcement continued. And she mentioned very casually about her boyfriend, Jeffrey, you know, who I then realized or subsequently I've realized was Jeffrey. And about how is a philanthropist, he really loves to just help people and, you know, I'll meet him at some point. Interesting. Did you want to? Yeah. So the government ridiculously claims that there are no clients at all, that it was just Epstein and Maxwell. They say they will not prosecute anyone. They literally put out a statement saying no prosecutions at all. So were there actual clients outside of Maxwell and Epstein.

So this is something that I'm really happy to clarify because, first of all, I was involved and perpetrated upon by them for over 10 years. So I had a lot of experience, and Lane was quite close to the beginning of their romantic relationship. So I was exposed for many years to a lot of what was going on. What's happening in the media and where the confusion comes in is they talk about a client list. So that kind of infers or insinuates that the whole setup was.

designed for to be like a pedophile ring with clients so that they could blackmail them or that that was the goal right that was not the goal the goal this whole system was set up for Jeffrey for for young girls to be provided to Jeffrey and Gillen was the one who was setting that whole thing up and often it was her idea because she so wanted to please Jeffrey that she was going out and finding these girls. Now that doesn't mean that as a byproduct, and as the girls aged out, they weren't then passed off to other perhaps significant friends or business connections of both Jeffrey and Gillen.

So were there other men? There were other men, yes. That wasn't the main setup. So the idea of a client list is not actually a physical thing where somewhere we're going to find this list and it's sort of, you know, you unroll the scroll and it goes all the way down to the floor. There are a few people, I think the main thing to think about here is, is not so much a client list, although yes, we would love for those men to be held accountable, but it's more

the people who enabled this. And this is like if you look at following the money, because there's a bunch of money out there. Right. Okay? There's a bunch of people who facilitated this. Look at the people who were closest to Jeffrey, closest to Gilen, the people who enabled this, not the lower, you know, sort of the staff on a lower level, because really you can

see them as kind of being victimized also by fear, by intimidation, but look at the people who helped him run his operation and then look for where his money went. Right, but none of those men have been prosecuted. Has the government ever given you a reason why none of them have ever been prosecuted? No, we've had a few excuses and sort of dismissive kind of explanations. that really don't explain anything and, and you know, many of the other women with whom I'm in touch are very keen to see these other people held accountable. And every time we meet, like we just had a meeting, a private meeting with Congress, with Speaker Johnson, and lots of other congressmen,

and, you know, they, it appeared as though they were receiving this information for the first time, which is so frustrating for us, because we have told law enforcement, we have told FBI, We have testified in court. You know, we've been in so many situations where we're like, here's the information. Brad Edwards and Brittany Henderson of the crime victim law firm, they've, I mean, he started this whole thing, you know, he's been working on this for years and years. He's been saying, here you go, here you go. And now at that meeting with Congress, which was a private meeting, they said, please

hold us accountable. We want to help you get this thing done. Can you please give us a roadmap? And Brad Edwards and Brittany Henderson said, Brittany Henderson said we absolutely will do that. We will be in touch with you. We will show you what to look. So who said hold us accountable? Members of Congress? Yes. Really? Which members of Congress? Are we talking about like Thomas Massey, Marjorie Taylor Green, the usual suspects who seem to actually care about this issue? Yes. Okay, okay, that's good to know. Now, I am very curious what the properties were like. Now there's been some reporting, the New York Times just republished some details about one of Epstein's properties in Manhattan.

And what really stands out to me are the cameras. And so did you notice the documentation of these crimes happening? Were there cameras in the rooms, like were Galane Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein essentially recording proof of what was going on in these rooms? I believe so and I believe there's evidence that to support that it wasn't something that I was aware of and you have to remember you know I'm 48 now right so when this was happening between you know 16 and then right up to when I was almost 30 especially in the early days this was not a thing that I didn't know about cameras or hidden cameras I also when you're in a situation where you feel where you've already been groomed where you've already been victimized

The only thing you're thinking about is how do I keep myself safe in this moment and how do I get through this? Right, right, right. So at what point did you realize that you were in danger and what kind of tactics did Epstein and Maxwell use to essentially keep a survivor like you quiet as this abuse was going on? So I think there was sort of very, very obvious ways. And I think this is part of the grooming thing, which is right from day one, there's this assertion of constantly reinforcing that we are very powerful people, we're very important people. Look how the staff around us are so deferential to us. Look how they're frightened of us. And in truth, the staff were far more frightened of Ghilin than they were of Jeffrey,

Because she could be this very charming, you know, elegant woman who is soft spoken and then she would turn around if there were not enough blueberries in, you know, Jeffrey's muffin, God help that poor, you know, member of staff. And so as a young girl, and I'm talking about like an 85 pound 17 year old, I'm watching this and this is how we, I mean, this is how we navigate socially, right? This is how we learn as children, we watch and we're like, what is the dynamic, what is safe. So there were these little sort of micro signals all the time, but then there were the the more significant and direct threats where, for example, Jeffrey met with a significant

person in Palm Beach with me and I'm not going to get myself sued by saying who it is, but you know, they're having a conversation about a, about somebody getting away with something, right? And I'm sitting there taking it in, being like, okay. Okay, and then directed at me, Jeffrey's like, you see Anushka, if you know the right people and you have enough money, you can do whatever you want. Yeah, it's haunting. So I want to get into your interactions with the government in a second. But so a lot of the victims obviously don't say the names of the people that are involved

because they're worried about the lawsuits and all the different forms of intimidation. But has the government asked you what their names are? And have you ever seen them take any action in regards to those names? And I don't even know if they asked you. I mean, I can tell you what I've personally communicated, you know, to the government within testifying at the trial, etc. I've seen a lot of notes be taken. I haven't seen specific action regarding prosecuting anyone else. I also have a deeper understanding now of how the legal system works and how it has to work

and the fact that you can't prosecute somebody who's involved in a case until the former prosecution that's connected is completely done and dusted, right? So when Gillen Maxwell was arrested, a lot of people are like, why are all the other people not being arrested? And you can't just go around arresting people who are all connected because the cases affect each other, right? I don't know about that. So maybe that's an excuse they gave you, but I think you could arrest co-conspirators together all the time.

And prosecute them simultaneously. But okay, so let's talk about the first time they reached out to you, right? Because they prosecuted kind of halfway prosecuted FC back in 2008. At that point, people begin to find out that this started to happen. Did they approach you at that point earlier or later than that? No, they didn't approach me at all. I was never approached. And I never came forward until I reached out to Brad Edwards because, I mean, as a survivor

of this, I was always looking, you know, I would check the internet. I would look things up and say, is anything happening? What's this person doing? Because these people, I felt threatened by these people. So I wanted to know what was going on. And I discovered a civil case that was being initiated by Virginia, Jufre Roberts, and it was being handled by Brett Edwards. So I reached out to Brett Edwards, and I said, listen, I don't want to bring my own case forth

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So that was around 10 years ago. So 2015 or so? 2014, probably. Yeah. So at what point do you talk to the government? So I didn't talk to the government until after Epstein died. And I say, and I say died, right? Right.

Because I think we all have, you know, plenty of information to, to suggest that that was not a suicide. In fact, Gillen firmly believes that and has stated that. And, you know, it's one of the things she and I agree on. Yeah. So, yeah. So at that point, I went to, and bear in mind, like, this happening was this huge, like, bombshell. For me and many of the other survivors, suddenly this perpetrator that we'd lived in fear of for so many years was gone. And so it's this inner conflict of like, okay, I was terrified

and now there's kind of less fear, but there's no opportunity to have that reconciled that situation. So then there was the dismissal hearing because you cannot charge a dead man. So they had, Judge Berman had a dismissal hearing. And we were invited to come and speak. And this was pretty incredible on the part of Judge Berman. So I decided to go. There was almost no notice. It's like, do you want to come tomorrow to go do this? Okay, do I? I don't know, you know. So I went and I flew in and then, I mean, you know, we had a wall of press, no cameras, but a wall of press in the courtroom. And we had about 23 survivors and we stood arm in in front, Epstein's attorneys in front, Judge Berman and all the press.

And we were given this opportunity to speak our experience or say anything we wanted to say. You know, I'm, I would like to shed some light on a question that gets asked quite a bit in regard to what appears to be an orchestrated cover up of the Epstein files, right? So you know, the Trump administration seems to be kind of, you know, digging itself into a deeper hole, making it appear clearer and clearer that they do not want the release of these files. And so would you argue that some of the powerful people that would be implicated as a result of the release of these files really fall all across the political aisle, left, right? conservative Republican, I want to know because, you know, an argument that you often hear from the right, individuals who want to defend Donald Trump is, well, if Democrats had the dirt,

they would definitely release the files. A common rebuttal to that, and it's a common rebuttal I use, is, well, I don't think that this is a partisan issue. I think there are powerful people from both sides of the aisle implicated. Can you confirm that? I can say that I also believe that. And I also believe it's not exclusive to this country. We're talking about, I mean, both Jeffrey and Gillen made it their business to know the most important and influential people across the board, across the world. Why do you think that is? Because that's how you control everything. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. So you go and testify with the women interlocking the arms. Did any prosecutors from the government then come to you after that,

go, okay, now we know. Yes, so immediately after that. And of course, that was like this emotional kind of like deluge. And then I was, you know, I was asked, oh, the FBI would like to have a few words with you. I go off, speak to the FBI for what seemed like hours, like at least two or three hours. And, and they, you know, they asked me a bunch of rapid fire questions. I told them whatever I could. And, and they said at some point in that, If anybody else would be prosecuted, would you be willing to test? I was like, yeah, okay, you know. And little did I know that the following summer, I would get a call at 6 o'clock in the morning

and from my attorney saying Gillen Maxwell has been arrested and you're in the indictment. And I was like, what does that even mean? What does that mean from me? because people often talk about like, oh, you know, you were involved in this case. Like, this wasn't my case. This was a federal case. I was called as a witness. I was given no information even about the evidence that they had on me.

So the evidence they had pictures of me. Wow. I wasn't shown those things. So were you shown those things as soon as you got involved in the case? Like did they present those images? Not until right before. Interesting. Wow.

So do they have video? of you as well? I don't know if they had video of me, they didn't show me video. But they had pictures of you from inside the rooms. So like that means they they have the pictures, they have the videos. They have, I mean, you know, to put to put together a federal case at this level, this isn't like, oh, some people said some stuff, so we decided to just like arrest people. This is, this is context, this is testimony, this is evidence.

And it's not a little bit of evidence, it's lots and lots and lots of evidence. So did you give them names other than Maxwell and Epstein? Not of people, I was not trafficked to anybody outside of Jeffrey Epstein. I see, okay. But I gave them other names of other powerful people. Interesting. And you gave them powerful people that you had seen there or that you knew from other girls had partaken?

Both. I see, okay. And how close were you to the other survivors? I wasn't close to any of the survivors until after the dismissal hearing. Was there an effort at all by Jeffrey Epstein or Galane Maxwell or both to keep the various survivors kind of separate from one another so they don't communicate with each other or potentially work together to push for prosecution? A hundred percent. I mean, if you look at any kind of grooming pedophile set up, the divide and rule is, is. is the way that you make sure that your operation can continue and does continue. And you also, as you know, in that scenario, you wouldn't know who you could trust.

You wouldn't know if one of the other women who appeared to be a victim actually would turn because the truth is these people could make you do almost anything. It's just absolutely terrifying. And so, you know, you hear about these like wild parties that Epstein would have with, you know, these young girls who would, you know, be victim. by these powerful men, you know, to your comfort level, I don't want to, you know, make you think about things that are difficult to think about given what you went through, but can you describe what those scenes were like?

So I wasn't involved in any of these parties, and but my understanding is, I know that like, neither Jeffrey nor Gillen really liked alcohol or drugs, so when you, like, when you describe it as like wild parties, it's more about he would have these very lavish parties and very sort of intimidating parties. And my understanding is at some of these parties, some of the girls were present. And then there was, you know, some kind of opportunity for the other people to have, you know, sexual experiences with these girls. And were there drugs readily available or alcohol readily available for others, even though Epstein and Maxwell didn't partake in that particular type of party?

Jeffrey hated drugs. Interesting, okay. So obviously sort of, you know, socially alcohol, yes, he didn't drink, he didn't like anything to do with drugs, and he also wanted the girls to be fully present for the abuse. Wow. Oh, that's super interesting. Okay, so. I mean, it's sick to drug. I mean, the whole thing is But the fact that he like made it known that he wanted, you know, these girls to be fully cognizant of what was happening is just, there's like something really twisted about that. Yeah. So I don't know if you're allowed to talk about it. But in all those interactions over the 10 years, did you ever see Trump at any of these parties? I didn't see Trump at any of the parties. I was introduced to Trump by Gillen Maxwell at a party in Manhattan when I was about 20 years old. And this is something that's been documented, in fact, by the mirror, which ironically used to,

well, or maybe not ironically, was owned by Robert Maxwell previously. Right. The mirror wrote a story about Gilen introducing me to Trump at a New York Manhattan event. And the article describes incorrectly a bunch of things that happen subsequently. And I mean, for clarity, I'm interested in the truth. Whether or not the truth suits my narrative, I'm here for the truth. Right. And there was a lot of misinformation within that article.

And in that situation, I was very much brought to Trump as some kind of offering by Gillen Maxwell, like setting up like a date, right? Trump did not behave in any way inappropriately with me. Okay. And you know, that's the truth. That doesn't mean that there weren't other inappropriate things that were done, but That was my experience, right? So you got the sense that you were given as an offering, but Trump was at that point in time,

for whatever reason, was not interested. That's right. Okay. How about Bill Clinton? Any interaction with him? I didn't have interaction with him, but I did have on multiple occasions I was told of that he was coming, whether it was like he's coming to Palm Beach or he's coming to stay at the island. In fact, when I was on the island, Jeffrey and Gillen both.

told me like, oh, you're staying in the room that Bill likes. So if he comes, you might have to move from that room because that's the room he likes. No, well, at least they said move. Right. Yes. So, all right, the island, I've always been curious about that. Now, again, you're guessing here because you didn't have interactions with everyone involved, right? But like, I thought, well, maybe you could go to his New York apartment, you know, because you're in Manhattan, you had a business meeting or whatever. But going to the island feels like almost everyone who went there knew what was going to happen. Do you think that assumption is correct or incorrect? I think that assumption is correct. I also can tell you that because of the way

that all the properties were decorated, all the pictures of young naked women, and this was across the board. It didn't matter whether you were on the island or you were in Paris. There there was this like in your face kind of exposure to basically artistic pedophilia. And so you couldn't be at any of these properties and you'd have to be walking around with your eyes closed to not know. And to get on a plane to go to the island knowing this about Epstein, you know that you're very likely going to be offered a girl. Is that fair? I mean, this is obviously this is not my experience. This is a speculation.

But I would say that, you know, I stick to what I said. I don't think anybody could go to any of these properties and not have an understanding of what might be going on there. I'm Chris Hadfield. I'm an astronaut, an author, a citizen of planet Earth. Join me for a six-part journey into the systems that power the world. Real conversations with real people who are shaping the future of energy, no politics, no empty talk, just solutions-focused conversations on the challenges we must overcome and the possibilities that lie ahead. This is on energy. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. Final question for me, you know, you initially, I was watching an interview of you on BBC back in June.

And initially, you were not necessarily in favor of the release of the Epstein files, but you have changed your mind. So I wanted to kind of ask you, what made you change your mind and what are you hoping would be accomplished by the release of the Epstein files? So it's not so much that I've changed my mind. It's just the differentiation between a list and the files. And I think, you know, we have to keep coming back to that, whereas, you know, we want everything. And this bill that's been put forward by Rokhanna and Thomas Massey, this is everything. Like, let's get it all out. Can we get it all out now?

Can we stop messing around and get it all out? I agree with you on that because just releasing a list of names doesn't really tell you anything, right? But releasing the files would, I mean, that implies that it's going to include evidence. It's going to kind of put those names in a certain context that will help the public understand what was really going on. Right. Yeah. And, you know, now, after this meeting, the private meeting with Congress and then the press conference outside, you know, we have this opportunity, this window of opportunity. And thank goodness for those like the three Republican congresswomen who came forward.

I mean, Marjorie Taylor Green was amazing. You know, her coming out and supporting us like that, if anyone can redeem this. themselves. I have to say, you know, she has been incredibly good on both the Epstein files and also her quest to get foreign money out of our politics, which I think is incredibly important. Right. But you know, you mentioned the other Republicans, but have you been approached by any Democratic lawmakers who are looking to help, who are looking for the release of the Epstein files as well? I mean, I haven't been approached directly other than obviously like Rokana. But certainly within the press conference,

sorry, within the private meeting with Congress that we were able to do, every single member who was present was like, we are in this with you. Please hold us accountable. Please follow up. We want to support you. And so what we really need to do now is because we need three more votes, right? And we're talking about the end of the month. So what we need to do is really bring out the support for these Republican congressmen and women. And because, They are taking a big risk. They are, yes. I don't think they're taking a risk.

I think they're taking a risk by not voting yes. Okay, if they vote no, they means they are betraying American women and siding with predators. There's no answers or nuts. I agree, but there's a divide in this country between ordinary people who want justice and the elite. And the elite very clearly are engaging in a cover up of these upsteen files. So that goes to my question. So if, so right now all the Democrats are on board. for the vote to release the abscine files.

Now I get it, the Democrats are not in charge conveniently, right? So, but you've got these four congressmen that are Republicans that are, so you need three more Republicans, period, out of over 200 Republicans. So if three don't come forward, look, I'm not into this for the partisanship. And if you told me Bill Clinton will did it, I believe it in a second, et cetera. We talked about both sides of the aisle, et cetera. But if Republicans don't come forward and they don't, at least three of them don't vote for you, aren't they betraying all the victims? Oh, 100%.

I mean, then they're not only betraying all the victims, they're betraying themselves. They're betraying their daughters, their wives, their, you know, everybody, their mothers. I mean, this is a betrayal that goes beyond a bill. This is an ethical issue. Absolutely. You know? And so if you don't come forward, you know, It's not just the next three years.

Hopefully these congressmen and women will have long lives and long political careers. So I would invite them to consider what might happen after this administration cycles out. Yeah, and look, they should affect their careers, it should affect their souls. They're literally protecting predators and they can never explain why. They always hide behind you guys. They use you as human shields, they go, oh, we're trying to protect the victims. That's a lie, isn't it? It is 100% a lie, and you know what?

The problem is, now that we've come out and started speaking, we're not going away. And I can't speak for all the other survivors, but I can speak for myself. The more I am ignored, I will get louder and louder and louder. You're my type of lady. You're my type of lady. I love it. Yes, I love it. Last quick question.

So Galane Maxwell said, I don't think that he committed suicide. I think he was killed. And then curiously, they didn't ask her, who do you think killed them? I mean, what a strange, strange omission, right? If someone told me, oh, Charles Mason was killed, Osama bin Laden was killed. First thing I'd ask is, who killed him, right? You're talking about when she was interviewed by Todd Blanche.

That's right. So that was an interesting setup, right? Yeah. And the main thing, and you know, we can like, I don't really have an opinion about Todd Blanche particularly, other than the fact that he doesn't have enough experience in history in this case to be qualified to be questioning her. So it appeared to me that that was all

about getting some clarity, if you want to call it out from Galane Maxwell, that Donald Trump didn't do anything bad. She gets rewarded with, you know, club fed, you know, with this fancier nicer prison, which by the way, I do want to ask you what you think about the fact that Galane Maxwell was moved from, you know, a more high security type prison, a prison where she belongs, if you ask me, to a more comfortable facility. I'm horrified. So are most of the other survivors. I mean, it's a betrayal of everything that I did, everything I sacrificed to testify, the 30 years that I've lived with surviving this abuse. But really now, we have to look forward to what can we do. We need to get this

bill passed. One other thing that I think is important is, you know, I think you have to think about, we all can see that this is political suicide for, for Trump to be engaged in a cover up, to be, to be vetoing or trying to pressure people to not vote for this bill and have these files released. So if, if that's what he's willing to do, why? Why? Why? Right? So that goes to who killed Epstein as well. Now we're in the guessing territory because you don't have personal experience. And neither do we. But so I mean, I would eat as powerful as those particular predators were. It's hard for me to imagine that they have enough power to kill someone inside a U.S. prison and get away with it, right? Really? But an intelligence agency would have enough power to kill someone inside a U.S. prison and get away with it. So that's me guessing. Do you have a guess? You know, I don't really have a guess, I have questions, you know, I have questions. I can see that, my main question is, you know, if the fear, if the fear is not political

suicide, what's worse than that? And who is, and you know, everyone seems to think that, oh, you know, Trump is maybe controlling Gillian and manipulating. No, I think it's the other way around. Yeah, I do. In fact, ever since Galane was moved to that more comfortable facility, I noticed that the Epstein leaks stops. That's notable.

I mean, I could be proven wrong, there could be more leaks soon, who knows? But I have noticed that those leaks stopped after she was moved to. Leaks about Trump. Leaks about Trump specifically, yes. Yeah, interesting. I suppose intelligence agencies could do leaks and they could decide to stop doing leaks if So one of their assets got favorable treatment, but. I mean, I, you know, I knew Trump a little.

I know Gilan really, really well. And she is extremely smart. She is and very manipulative. Yes, and she would not leave this to chance. And there is a reason that she is doing well and Epstein is not. That's amazing. Interesting, yeah. And of course, she had a powerful father too, who wrote about you in the Daily Mirror,

who was a legendary Israeli spy, stole America's nuclear. secrets, but yet was allowed to own newspapers and publishing companies in Britain, in the US, things that make you go, hmm, that is super strange that a super spy for Israel is allowed to own all those things in the UK and the US. Publishing houses that published our history books, our social studies books in public schools. Anyway, we're now well down that rabbit hole. But Anushka, unfortunately, we're out of time. I want to thank you for speaking with us, but But more importantly, I wanna thank you for being willing to, you know, for lack of a better phrase, put your ass on the line to ensure that there's justice for the survivors.

I want justice for the survivors. I think the majority of the American people want justice for the survivors. And to your point, Jenk, this is not a partisan issue. There are Republican voters who are demanding the release of the Epstein files, Democratic voters who want it. The real question is, do the people in positions of power who actually have the ability to make a difference here? Are they gonna do the right thing?

And I guess we're gonna have to wait and see. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I mean, the support we need is to reach out to these Congresswomen, these Republican congresswomen, let them know that we're supporting them. Let them know they're doing the right thing. They're on the right side of history, because if we support them enough, I think they'll have the courage to do the right thing. I agree.

I think politicians on both sides, whenever they've been in charge, have been abysmal and have betrayed you and the American people. But the voters on both sides have been terrific. And so Republican voters who've asked for accountability on this over and over again, you're absolutely right. This is your time. Call your congressman, your congresswoman, and say, why are you on the side of the predators instead of the victims?

And that is a super fair question to ask your representative. They're supposed to represent you, not foreign countries, not intelligence agencies, and not predators. All right, Anushka, thank you again. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Anna. Thank you, chance. Thank you. We have to take a brief break, but we'll be back in just a few minutes. the show. And then we've got such important stories coming up for you, including American reaction to the terrorist bombing in Qatar by Israel. Michael Napan on that account says,

just a matter of time until they bombed Jordan in Egypt too. And in fact, they're also targeting Turkey now. Turkey has cut off economic ties with Israel and their airspace. And the minute they did that, boom, there was U.S. congressman, we showed it to you on the show talking about, Oh, Turks are all terrorists. They're gonna reconstitute the Ottoman Empire. We have to kill all the Turks. The Turks are Muslim Brotherhood. Kill the Turks, the Turks are terrorists.

Because our congressmen, they're not just paid shills to vote for Israel. They actually have to actively do propaganda and marketing for the terrorists that run the Israeli government. So yeah, any country could be next. Israel believes they're totally above the law, and so far they're right. And they can murder anyone in any country. any country and so far they've gotten away with it completely. So everybody be careful at any moment, Israel can do anything. I've never seen a country this lawless and this powerful. Kelly Kay says they must be getting close to a bombshell on Epstein. Seems like every time they

do, Israel does a distraction bombing in a random country to create chaos. Well, those things might not be related because Israel attacks their neighbors all the time. They've done that very consistently since 1948 they're the most aggressive militaristic colonial country in the Middle East by far they start almost all the wars and and they've attacked all their neighbors it has nothing to do with self-defense it's all aggressive military action to take more land from Arabs kill more Arabs steal more land that's what the government of Israel is all about right now if this was your dream I mean if you're someone who loved the idea of Israel

as a safe haven for Jews and the kibbutz dream and all that mythology, right? You have to be 10,000 times angrier than I am. I mean, they took that dream and turned it into a terrorist state, one that the entire world despises, that's murdered tens of thousands of children right in front of your eyes and gotten the whole world to hate everyone who are associated with Israel. I mean, if you love Israel, you should be so much angrier than me about what they've done. But instead, we have people here going, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No, as long as Israel does it, murder and terrorism and war are awesome. And if you don't sign on for that, you hate Jews. No, no, we don't hate Jews. But you obviously hate Arabs and Muslims. And I'm going to say it a thousand times, 2,000 times from now on. Anyone still supporting the genocide in Gaza is a racist. Racist. They should all be called out as racist.

And by the way, fire with fire. I don't want to work with a racist like that. So if they're going around and trying to fire everyone who doesn't support Israel's genocide, maybe we should consider firing people who do support Israel's genocide because they're over the top racist. So, okay, you want to keep going, Israel? You want to keep going?

Of course you do, right? And so they're, anyway, you get it, they're disgusting people, the government of Israel. Steph SoCal, YouTube member says, my stomach just dropped hearing her say that Jeffrey I've seen one of the girls to be totally present for the abuse. Holy hell. I know, it's just so disgusting. Guys, this is what I'm talking about. Like the very core of all this, Israel Epstein, et cetera, is not about Israel.

It's about our government. do we control our own government or is our government run by a bunch of sick disgusting predators who are like oh the terrorists in Israel have murdered 64,000 Palestinians they've murdered 20,000 children let's give them more money what kind of sick person says that and then oh Epstein raped American children oh yes let's protect the predators that is this disgusting sick grotesque people who run our government, but they're a bunch of servants for the donor class. They're just like, oh, Israel, big loyal, it's just super rich dude, what would you like me to do? I'll do anything disgusting and despicable for you. That is 95% of our politicians.

They're the worst people in the country. When you see a politician, you should have nothing but disgust for them, unless they've proven themselves like Rokana and shockingly, Tom Massey, Marjorie Taylor Green, and some others. But there is a a big list. There's about a dozen of them. And the rest of them are the lowest forms of human beings in the country. And we've elevated them to running our government. This is not a democracy. This is sick. We'll be back.