The Young Turks - EXCLUSIVE: Ken Klippenstein Explains Why He Published JD Vance Dossier

Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. Why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a space that does it all for you, no matter the size. Whether you're taking over your parents' basement or moving to campus, IKEA has hundreds of design ideas and affordable options to complement any budget. After all, you're in your small space era. to own it shop now at ikea.ca all right back on the bonus episode t yank franny and yaz with you guys i'm gonna read a couple of quick comments then we'll do some more stories mocha funk wrote in on super chat

Starting point is 00:00:48 the right calls the left communists meanwhile the leader of the right worships the leader of a communist country as well as his followers it's so ironic that alonis can write a song about it It's actually way more ironic than anything in the Alanis Morissette song. That is the second time that songs come up for me today. So that's fun. Yeah. And actually, I read it a little bit wrong. Mokofung is right.

Starting point is 00:01:12 He said plural communist countries. And it's true. I mean, China's technically common. It's not really communists, but they're technically, right? So North Korea and China. And he's like, I love both those communist dictators. Right? And I thought we were supposed to hate China.

Starting point is 00:01:27 Isn't he supposed to hate China? We're going to punish China, but I love Xi. And Victor Urban, don't forget about him. Yeah, but Frannie makes a really good point. And it's because he's conflicted. He's like, I hate China and I want to drive hatred towards the Chinese, but I love dictators. What do I do?

Starting point is 00:01:47 You know, drive the hatred or love for dictators. It's a tough one for him. You know, my heart goes out to him on that tough decision. So we're having a conversation whether this guy should be. be the president and it's nearly 50-50. I mean, that is super depressing. Anyways, teacher Lori G. says in the member section, I love watching Jenka on Pierce Morgan, even when I don't agree with him. And Jen and Anna were great with Dr. Phil yesterday. I could actually stand to watch the whole thing. Good job. That's funny.

Starting point is 00:02:17 Thanks for saying that. And look, Pierce Morgan, Candice Owens, and Eric Prince. you had a rough panel dude yeah but as it turned out i wasn't entrapped in the room with them they were trapped in the room with me hey wow so if you want go ahead and watch it i i i you know people say oh you were yelling too much mm this is a argument i wasn't yelling enough i think the scale was relative like yelling too much or like too much for jank you know yeah yeah true you your own scale and so and i if you're one last thing about it then we'll go to the stories that i love the oh actually that was shout out to gerard dumet who just became a member in chapel and fred who gifted five members of you guys we love you guys anyway the last irony

Starting point is 00:03:10 of the pierce morgan thing is we're talking about hey is jenks rhetoric too violent and that's is that causing the violence when people like jank and and people on the left say mean things about don't trump and then eric prince is like yeah definitely and then eric prince later in the show is like, I challenge you to a duel where we murder each other. Oh my God. Like they don't even, I think there's, man, I don't know how they exist in the world. Eric Prince is a true psychopath. Like next, they're just going to exume the body of like Augusto Pinochet and try to like reanimate him to go on Pierce Morgan. He has the ghouls. He has

Starting point is 00:03:49 the most war criminal. They're going to exhume Rumsfeld. They're going to get like, Truly, it's like, where do they find these guys? And then you have Eric Prince showing his face. Isn't that guy like toppling governments and, you know, deploying child soldiers in some third world country right now? So we're just asking questions. These are our opinions about Eric Prince. So last thing I'll say about him is he also said, well, you know, the violence against Paul Pelosi. That was just a gay love affair.

Starting point is 00:04:20 Wow. Oh, have you done a breakdown video of this, Jank? I think I can't watch the whole thing. You need to do a breakdown so I don't have to watch it. I do breakdowns every time I'm on. So you might have to do that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a little complicated thing about that.

Starting point is 00:04:37 Don't drive any more views to him. Don't click. Don't give him clicks. You already give him clicks. Anyway, we got we got stories to do right now. All right. All right. Well, in news from the self-owned department, Republican congressman,

Starting point is 00:04:51 of Wisconsin, Glenn Groffman was on C-SPAN's Washington Journal, decrying Democrats for voting against a Republican plan to require proof of citizenship to vote, namely because it's already illegal and does not happen. But more on that later. In fact, no one makes the case clearly that there is no evidence that non-citizens are voting. Then Glenn Groffman himself. Take a look. You have to ask yourself, why did all but three Democrats vote against a provision yesterday that you have to prove that you're a citizen before you vote? Isn't that a bizarre vote to take?

Starting point is 00:05:28 But that is sadly where the Democrat Party is right now. What's the evidence that it's happening? Where have you seen that? Well, I haven't seen it, but we know it's happening, right? I don't know. But Santi Claus, someone leaves the case. gifts under the tree every, every Christmas. I don't know. I hear the footsteps. So there he is being put on the spot and he doesn't seem to have any problems with the fact that he just said,

Starting point is 00:05:55 well, I don't know, but it exists. Before I kick it to you guys, you have to know that he's not the only one who said, well, I don't really know if there's evidence, but I feel it in my bones. Mike Johnson, the one who's led this charge to add what is called the Save Act to this funding bill that again was voted down with 14 Republicans and all but three Democrats opposing the bill. He said, quote, we all know intuitively that lots of illegals, this is graphic two, are voting in federal elections, but it's not something that is easily provable. Okay, so again, this is like we're supposed to have blind faith. Like we don't all believe in your God, my guy, but if your God is illegals are voting, we definitely don't believe in that.

Starting point is 00:06:38 And in fact, interestingly, there has been some research into whether or not non-citizens are voting. The Heritage Foundation of All Places did an analysis of legal actions regarding election conduct found only 24 instances of non-citizens voting between 2003 and 2023. 20 years, 24 instances. A study conducted by the Brennan Center of Justice, so arguably the other side of the political aisle, analyzed 23.5 million votes across 42 jurisdictions in the 2016 general election concluded there were 30 instances of non-citizens casting votes. 30, 23.5 million. Again, just for everyone to know, states have their way of verifying whether you are, in fact,

Starting point is 00:07:26 a citizen. They verify voter identification information using state and or federal databases, such as the Social Security Administration or State Departments of Motor Vehicles. They cross-reference information that the voter provides against information provided by these entities. Election administrators can ensure that identifying information submitted on voter registration forms is accurate and legitimate that way. This hinders those who maybe it's attempting to register to vote using fraudulent or false information. And in fact, later in this Washington Journal interview, a caller calls in and says just that, says, yeah, you have to register. You can't just roll up because he's arguing you just roll up, but no, you have to actually register.

Starting point is 00:08:09 But guys, do we have to play it back or is that just the most hilarious immediate self-owned we have seen? Yeah, you know, like they love to say that these things are so easily provable while they never actually prove these things, right? This has been going on since Trump gloss in 2020, right? He was going around saying that there's all this evidence, there's all these different examples of voter fraud happening around the country. Yeah, we have it. Yeah, we'll send it over to you. I think he said that on his call with

Starting point is 00:08:37 Raffensberg in Georgia with Rudy Giuliani. And then like he never got the memo. He was never emailed any kind of evidence. Like there was nothing presented to him. They didn't have it. But his supporters, right? As long as he said that we have it, trust me. They're like, cool, we trust you. And that's it. And this is sort of like what we were just talking about before he started the story about how Trump somehow manages to juggle his love for a Chinese dictator with his hatred for communist China. And I got to say, I think we're overthinking it a little bit. I, you know, we have plenty of questions as to how he can say two very different things and promote two very incongruent ideas to his supporters. His supporters who align with both of those

Starting point is 00:09:18 very misaligned ideas are not asking those questions. They just aren't. There's no way that they could possibly be asking those questions. So all you have to do whenever, you know, one of them talks to you about something like this, just ask him for the proof and they don't have it, right? And they'll tell you something crazy and they'll say, oh, well, you know, Trump has never lied to me. And then you're just like, all right, that's the end of that conversation. Then they'll call you a communist because you're a leftist. The next person to call you a communist, ask them if they can define communism and then tell them whether or not you're that, you know, like they can't do it. Yeah. So let me tell you how this works. There's a cycle

Starting point is 00:09:53 that's involved here. And it's really interesting. And it's not just about this lie. It's about almost every lie that the Republican politicians say. So what they'll say in the beginning is, well, there's no evidence, but intuitively, everyone knows that it's happening, right? So then everyone in MAGA will believe it instantly. Because remember, they have an internal bias. They think, oh, we can't possibly be losing elections. We're the real America. You know, we have always been in charge, so we must be America. We can't possibly lose to Democrats or to minorities or to anyone else. So the minute a Republican official says, well, it must be happening, they're like,

Starting point is 00:10:36 that's it, I knew it. And it confirms their bias. So then they know it forever. And then the Republican politician comes back on and goes, well, a lot of people think this. So this is a very important issue. This is a real concern because a lot of people in this country are concerned about it. Yes. And you'll see, by the way, guys, you'll see this exact pattern happening in future stories.

Starting point is 00:10:59 This is a playbook that they have. They do it each time. The people believe it. And it's important to the people because you put it in their heads. You're the one who told them that this is an important issue that they need to care about. It's very transparent. It's so easy to see through. And it kind of blows my mind how more people just don't see through it.

Starting point is 00:11:16 And, you know, like you were saying, it's all patterns, you know? Like nothing they do is original anymore. We've been dealing with this same type of stuff for a long, long time. But specifically, since Trump entered the political arena. He has a playbook. that's why people are calling him boring right now. I'm calling, I've been calling him boring. I've been bored with this guy for a long time, but he has nothing new up his sleeve.

Starting point is 00:11:36 Everything he does is so predictable now. And I think that's why people are leaving his rallies. It's because they've heard it all before. He's got nothing new. Yeah. So it's frustrating, though, that they believe all these things. The one time, the reason that this one time is a little bit different is because we've got at least two Republican congressmen, including the one we showed you on tape.

Starting point is 00:11:57 saying, oh no, of course we don't have evidence, right? And you have the Heritage Foundation. That's the project 2025 guys saying over the course of two decades. It happens about once a year, there's 330 million people in the country. How could one person swing an election? And the other thing you have to remember is that they imply, oh, the Democrats are bringing into illegal immigrants so that they could vote for them and that's what's happening. That's why you're winning elections, right?

Starting point is 00:12:28 And you're like, wait, if it's one a year, what kind of plan is this? One person can't possibly swing an election. So obviously there is no such plan. The Democrats are not doing that. It's rando non-citizens that try to vote. And guess what happens? They get caught. That's why we know about it.

Starting point is 00:12:48 And it's tiny. It's won a year out of 330 million people. You know what? Magga will hear this and go, I had it, I got you. There's one person who did it per year. That means it exists. That's a two Democrats are joking. They're bringing the mental asylum and the criminals and they're making them vote.

Starting point is 00:13:05 No, there are no non-citizens voting. But you'll never get Maggot a believer for the rest of their lives. They'll think, we didn't lose. We didn't lose. It was the undocumented, African Joe Biden brought her. They all illegally voted. Well, it isn't true. You believed a bunch of liars who wanted to manipulate you into,

Starting point is 00:13:24 And hating immigrants. Yeah. And then just lastly, I mean, what they then do, the final set piece, right, is that they legislate around the lie that they've just fabricated. So states around this country are passing laws that make it a lot harder to vote. Like you got to show up with your passport or with, you know, whatever, your ID. When you don't actually need an ID to vote, if you're registered, you do not. And so it is just a way to suppress the vote because they can't win anymore without cheating, even though. they're spinning lies that like the other side, well, the other side's cheating so we can cheat, right? And so again, it's also the, you know, the anti-transferver follows the same pattern, you know, or the drag queen. Oh, drag queens are grooming our children. Oh, no, they're not. Well, that's okay. We're going to pass all these anti-drag laws anyway, even though all of this is based on a lie. It is to create a way to legislate themselves into having more power. And in this case, yeah, making sure that never again, the people's voice is actually heard democratically. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:26 And you're in Texas also, like we're always seeing different ways that they're trying to suppress the vote in Texas. That's why I'd say this all the time, but I feel like it doesn't get through as much as it should. It is very hard to vote these Republicans out of Texas office. They control our entire Texas government, our state government. They interfere in local elections all the time. The only way that they know how to win these elections is by,

Starting point is 00:14:50 cheating and by suppressing voters, they took out, you know, voting poll boots at colleges, just all kinds of things that they're doing. I won't go too much into it. But this is their MO. This is what they're, what they do. First, they have to generate all this public support for an issue that doesn't exist. And then they say, well, they're justified in doing it because this is a big deal to the people. It wasn't before he started making it a big deal to the people. Yeah. And last thing is, Franie said, you don't need voter ID. And you, you say like, oh, or photo ID, 25% of African Americans in this country don't have a driver's license because they live in the cities or they're too poor to have it. It also applies some white folks too that live in cities and are too poor to have a driver's license because they don't have a car, right?

Starting point is 00:15:34 So disenfranchising all those people is a terrible idea. That affects millions of people, not one person, millions of people. And if you're wondering, well, then how do you know they're actually citizens? Because you have to give your social security number. And that's what the callers told Congressman Grothman. And they're like, I'm not a Democrat, but you're lying, brother. I know. I just registered my mom.

Starting point is 00:15:54 You definitely need a Social Security number. So that's the reality. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Should we get to this fun one? Yes, please. Not a sex party, but a little horny. Let's just open with this.

Starting point is 00:16:11 I would like to also enter into the record, a screenshot of a text message. I received from the esteemed professor from Vanderbilt, Michael Eric Dyson, after my CNN interview, begged me for photos. In this text, he says, after calling me a racist on CNN, don't tell anybody, we look good together, and sent me a kissy emoji. Then the guy, the guy says, I'm gorgeous in all these photos. I don't think he's that been out of shape on how anyone pronounces Kamala. And if we're going to have that standard, you got to hold it to both sides, not just one. one or the other. Okay, so ignore the text on screen there because we're not talking about a CNN anchor, but that was Representative Nancy Mace during a House Oversight and Accountability Committee

Starting point is 00:16:56 hearing on the Biden administration and its policies. Representative Nancy Mace clearly was ready to have a discussion when a discussion came up about the pronunciation of Kamel Harris's name and was ready to enter flirty text messages that she received from Professor Michael Eric Dyson, who is a professor of African American Studies at Vanderbilt University, as proof that mispronouncing Kamala Harris's name isn't racist. But let's back up a little bit, because this is all seemingly like confusing and multi-layered. Where it began was that Representative Mace of South Carolina was on a CNN panel with Michael Eric Dyson back in August. And things got heated when Nancy May said that she can pronounce Kamala Harris's name any way she wants. Take a look.

Starting point is 00:17:44 Talk about rerun, Kamala's, uh, you almost got it. I will say Kamala's name anyway that I want to. No, but Kamala. But you mispronouncing her name. You're just did and I'll do it again. That's why you're supposed to acknowledge. And if I purpose. One of the time, guys.

Starting point is 00:18:01 If I purposely mispronounce your name, that would not be appropriate. So she almost forgot the wrong way to pronounce it, which is what the right is doing now. So that was that moment. And then Michael Eric Dyson takes a moment to sort of. scold and explain why pronouncing Kamala Harris's name wrong is offensive. Take a look. This Congresswoman is a wonderful human being, but when you disrespect Kamala Harris by saying you will call her whatever you want, I know you don't intend it to be that way.

Starting point is 00:18:28 That's the history and legacy of white disregard for the humanity of black people. So now you're calling me racist. I didn't say, I just said you weren't racist. That is complete yes. You don't have to intend racism to accomplish it. No, no, you are intending that I'm racist. And that is part and vice. So there you have it.

Starting point is 00:18:44 got testy, whether you agree with one or the other, doesn't matter. Things got a little bit testy. But according to Nancy Mace, it seems like the two exchanged text messages after that exchange that were a lot less testy. In fact, they were a little, there we say, flirty. So let's look at the text messages here. It is a photo shared by Michael Eric Dyson with the bubble on the right, is Nancy Mace, a photo of them together that seems like it's taken in the CNN lobby. And it says, don't tell anybody, we look good together. Laffy face, kissy face. Then she responds, ha, ha, ha, ha.

Starting point is 00:19:27 And then he responds, well, your gorgeousness makes the photos. So there's that. Winky face. A little dusty, owie, professor. And then finally, Nancy Mace just had to sort of go completely, you know, finish the guy on X and put a, put this, publish this video of him actually asking for yet another photo with Nancy Mace before the CNN panel began. She tweeted this out. Michael Eric Dyson caught in 4K. And then here is the video.

Starting point is 00:20:09 So they're chummy, they're taking photos. Look, when I first saw this, I was viscerally disturbed. It shows you what sort of, you know, glad hand, fake by part. I mean, fake antagonism happens on CNN panels. They call each other, you know, racist, but then behind the scenes, they're like taking photos together. But then I just, you know, guys, I feel like he's just barking up the wrong tree. And now it is part of official congressional record. Anyone jump in.

Starting point is 00:20:41 Yeah. It's like what kind of like sleeping with the enemy drama is this? I feel like she just wanted to know that someone thinks she's gorgeous out there. Her gorgeousness, that's a weird word. Maybe this could be the start of something new and fun for the two of them. You know, a lot of sexual attention can be born from dissent. It's a plot in many a rom-com and many a political intrigue show. Who knows?

Starting point is 00:21:03 Who knows what's going on behind the scenes? Who knows what kind of conversations they had after that interaction on CNN? then maybe they came to a place of understanding and maybe they're both growing from their friendship. I'm gonna go with that. Okay. That's a happy read. So yeah. So first, Michael Eric Dice is a CNN contributor, not anchor. Secondly, look, I think that pronouncing the name wrong is, I don't think it's racist. But if you do it on purpose, are you doing it for racial reasons or just the disrespector. And I would say, I wouldn't assume that it was on purpose.

Starting point is 00:21:41 A lot of people mispronounced that, except for the fact that on tape, Nancy Pace knows how to pronounce it. She pronounced it correctly the first time and then it was like, oh, right, right, right. I forgot I'm supposed to pronounce it the other way. So it sounds more foreign or African or whatever they think in their crazy minds, right? And so that was kind of a little bit funny. One of the things I get out of this is never trust the right. winger and also never trust the politician. Also really don't trust anyone. So like Michael

Starting point is 00:22:14 Eric Dennis, are you nuts like sending flirty texts to like a Republican politician who's constantly thirsty for the spotlight? She's going to use that for the spotlight. Of course, of course. I mean, that is super naive to do that. I can't believe you did that. Now, finally, you get to the really interesting question. If you think someone is racist, is this still okay to try to hook up with them? Oh, no. Depends on what your kink is. I mean, we're talking about kinks now. Who has a racist kink? I don't know. Like, when I was single, I was dating in Texas. And so that was weird for me. And you just end up on dates with a lot of Republican guys because, you know, they all work in oil and gas and then they see like, you know, a brown woman and they have a thing

Starting point is 00:23:06 for it. This is a weird thing to talk about, to be honest. But what I realized, that's real though. That's real. It is real, you know, and it's awkward and it's very uncomfortable. But, you know, there's always a line. You know, you're like, you know, I can't like hang out with you anymore because, like, you know, you have these weird beliefs that I maybe wasn't aware of at first. But I was talking to some people, Gen Z people, younger than me, right? And they're, you know, college and they're dating and they're meeting all these new people. And one of them just kind of mentioned, oh, yeah, I was dating this one guy, but you know, he's kind of racist, but like it was fine. I didn't know how to respond to that. I was like, I don't think that that's like a thing that you

Starting point is 00:23:46 just kind of deal with, you know, and she was, you know, the person she was referring to as white and the person I was talking to was not white. And it was like, I don't think that's the thing that is just like, oh, you know, I really don't like the way he cuts his toenails or something. You know what I mean? It's not in the same level. I feel like there should be a boundary. And racism probably is where that boundary should be. Yeah, we know, I just realized my hypocrisy in the middle of this conversation. So, or my double standard. Because the minute you guys started talking about your perspective, I was like, oh, yeah, ew, no, why would you have, you know, hook up with a racist guy? That doesn't make sense. But I hooked up with someone who was racist and didn't care at all. And so they were

Starting point is 00:24:26 racist against Muslims. And she was like, I don't, you're Muslim. I don't get it. Why don't you have like a beard and she had like every stereotype you've ever imagined and she believed this. She's like, I don't understand why you're none of those things. I'm like, because they're freaking stereotypes. Anyways, let's go back to your place. Anyway, let's talk. Well, it's also just weird to be like fetishized, you know, but who, you know, I want to just say we don't have this graphic, but Michael Eric Dyson responded. He had a longer thing on Instagram, but he said this in his defense. He said the ridiculous lies told by Nancy Mason, the effort to smear my name because of her angered being checked for her in sensitive disregard for the VP. I had no intent with her

Starting point is 00:25:09 to do anything but be nice. And her white women's tears and mendacity are all in the service of lies and distortion. I was wrong about one thing. She is a bigot and a racist. So mendacity. Don't hear that word very often. No, but that one feels truer to me. Here's my thing about this. I had no intent with her to do anything but be nice. Come on. No, not buying it. Come on. Okay. First of all, there's just no way.

Starting point is 00:25:36 Like that text, okay, wanting to take two photos with her, then calling her, like, I think you're a very nice woman and kind of almost touching her in that panel. I don't know if you, I've seen it a lot of times now. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know, almost touching her. Yeah. And then saying, you know, we look good together, kissy emoji. And then your gorgeousness helps winky face. Bro, you are clearly trying to spit games.

Starting point is 00:26:04 Clearly. Yeah, everybody's see. Every woman had seen that before. Maybe not even women. Like people have seen, we know what that is. We know what that language is. We know what you wanted. And it's very easy to send those messages and be like, that's not what I meant.

Starting point is 00:26:17 Okay. If you say so. Yeah, but it's just so embarrassing also be put on blast. Like if someone you just called basically a racist, they're like, yeah, but she could get it. Like, come on. So look, I probably agree ideologically 95% with Michael Eric Dyson. You know, I don't know what the number is, but it's a high number. But I think he's wrong on a couple accounts here.

Starting point is 00:26:41 So first of all, you want to say somebody looks great today. You've been friends with them for a long time. There's nothing wrong with that, right? But you just met them and you just, you know, are having a debate. And the next thing you know, you take the picture. Next year you know, you're talking about how gorgeous they are. And the naked rocket scientist to figure that one out, right? And then I don't know if you guys agree with this, but I don't like that tweet he did

Starting point is 00:27:05 at that. I mean, I know he's embarrassed and she shouldn't have called him out like that publicly. I think that's totally wrong. But that the white women's tears, what are you getting into her race for? You're the one who's hitting on her. Now all of a sudden she's back to a racist and a bigot, et cetera. So I didn't like that tweet at all. Yeah, it's also weird because it's like, what if she was receptive to your advances,

Starting point is 00:27:26 then what? Then what? You know what I mean? Like, I mean, if she was receptive, we wouldn't be having this conversation. 100%. She wouldn't have leaked anything. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And like he wouldn't have been like, well, you are a big ant and a racist. But if she was, it's just, it's just you don't know. I'm no one's siding with Nancy Mays. Jank said it. I think that is the analysis. What are you doing, doing this to a like rat effing Republican who wanted to stage herself getting hit by a Jan Sixer so she could be look she could be a hero like this woman will do anything for the limelight yeah that is very poorly played on all fronts by Michael Eric Dyson otherwise a smart guy but you know guys who are smart otherwise can get awfully dumb when it gets the woman so

Starting point is 00:28:12 we've seen that happen many times all right guys we are out of time all right uh franny you guys are amazing check out yes on rebel headquarters check out franny on the bituation room That's a podcast and this is when we say bye bye.

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The Young Turks - EXCLUSIVE: Ken Klippenstein Explains Why He Published JD Vance Dossier

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