The Young Turks - F Off

Episode Date: April 20, 2021

A photo of a sangria-sipping Kyrsten Sinema, wearing a quirky hat and an obscenity-laden ring, goes viral and is drawing blowback from progressives. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. We're going to be able to be. Yeah, welcome to the Young Turks. Jake, you're out of experience in the studio. What the hell's going on? We're in the studio, everybody.

We're back. Should I be screaming when we're back in the same room? You're doing it. But it's happening. Things are happening. There's nothing that anybody can do about it. The game is afoot. It's great to be back in the studio for the second time.

I just feel like it's been decades since I've been here. You know what I feel like in here? Bit of a newsman. Oh, my God. Just a bit of a newsman. I mean, look, we're in a studio. We've been in this studio of many years. But yet when we come back to it, a bit of a newsman feel.

Okay, so tonight at 6 o'clock Eastern, we're live with Atticus Bair and a lot of the news. In fact, most of the news, and everything's going to be great. Some of the news is disastrous, of course. So it's good that we start on an upbeat note as things can be a roller coaster around here. We're at the same desk. We are. We are. Would a newsman waste time on a news show by not talking about the news?

Probably not. No, that'd be called vamp and there's no need to vamp. There's no need to vamp. We're already doing, we've got to do the news. All right, so. I'm extra salty today. So brace for impact, as you like to say. Okay, brace for impact.

Okay, last time that happened, I lost $400. I am not an insulting move. So you never know what's going to happen. Anyways, guys, seriously, I'm fully vaccinated. We're back in the studio. We're about a million miles from each other, but that's okay. That's great, okay? They're probably preferable, to be honest.

But you know what we're going to do now? The news. We're going to do the news. Let's start off with something that's gotten quite a few progressives in a tizzy. And of course it has to do with a photo that went viral. A photo featuring Senator Kirsten Cinema has gone viral. Not only does it point to her quirky sense of humor and her unique sense of style, but she's wearing in that photo a ring that has a very specific message on it.

As Melanie Zanona writes on Twitter, Kirsten Cinema, the Senate's most colorful member, posts a pick of herself on Instagram, rocking an F-off ring and sipping what looks like sangria. Oh, how cute. Now, look, we don't know for sure whether or not the ring is meant to signal any type of message to any specific group of people, but progressives saw this as cinema essentially sending a message to any opponents who criticized her for voting down a $15 an hour minimum wage. I'm sure many of you guys can remember that moment. Let's take a look at what that was like. Miss Cinema, Miss Cinema.

No. So Jank already has a comment on this. Go ahead. I do, I do. So listen, we're gonna do a poll on it at t.com slash polls on whether she meant it or not. Do I think that it's necessarily something about $15 minimum wage? No, I don't think it's that specific. That's my guess, right?

But is it meant as a political message? That's the question we're going to ask you guys. But my jury's in on it. Yeah, she's a United States senator, and so she's not going to have an F-offering on accidentally. She didn't match those glasses and that hat accidentally. She didn't put that on Instagram accidentally. No, that's a message. Now, I'd like to note for the record, as Anna is about to explain to you in detail, that pretty sure she didn't wear that ring when she went to go see her corporate donors.

She wouldn't say that to them, but would she say to you since you're the voters? Oh, hell yeah, she just did. Now, before I get to the details about her corporate donors, what I want you guys to take away from this story is how little she cares. She really doesn't care. She doesn't care about the backlash she received after she voted against a $15 an hour minimum wage on the Senate floor. She doesn't care about what the potential ramifications or consequences could be. Because to be quite honest with you, she's not expecting consequences. And given how lawmakers have behaved, not just in like the last election cycle, not just in the last five years, but for a while now, it's clear that there won't be consequences.

Because when you got to choose between corporate donors or doing right by your base or right by your voters or right by your constituents, the majority of whom want a $15 an hour minimum wage in the state of Arizona, she's going to go with their corporate donors. Okay, so let me give you these details. This was reported by David Serota's outlet known as the Daily Poster. They also post over at Jacobin. And they write that Senators Kirsten Cinema and Joe Manchin will headline the National. conference of the restaurant lobbying group, the National Restaurant Association, that led the battle to block the wage increase, and that is fighting a separate democratic measure to make it easier for workers to form unions, meaning the pro act. Now, there's been a lot of attention

on Senator Joe Manchin and how he did pay lip service to constituents who do want to pass the pro act. But it's good. It's good that the DSA is organizing and phone banking, is applying enough pressure to get someone like Manchin to at least say that he'll co-sponsor the pro act. But I also want to be clear that whatever members of the Senate say right now, you still have that legislative filibuster in place. So I have this feeling, and I think it's with good reason, that Manchin just wants the DSA and progresses off his back. And he's like, whatever, it's not going to pass in the Senate anyway. Sure, I'll co-sponsor it. Unless he's willing to get rid of that filibuster, or in the very least, reform the filibuster, it doesn't matter

what he says he's going to co-sponsor. That doesn't mean we don't continue applying pressure, but understand that a lot of the pressure needs to be focused on getting rid of the filibuster or reforming it to actually pave the way to get laws or bills like the Pro Act passed. Yeah, so first of all, the other part of the theatrics of Chris in Cinema is that he wants to do what we've talked a lot about on the show, which is change on the outside, continuity on the inside, right? And so she does these theatrics, the theatrical way that she voted down minimum wage, the theater of that particular picture on Instagram. And by the way,

let's note for the record, the irony or perhaps the appropriateness of a senator named Cinema obsessed with theatrics. So now, when they go to meet with the restaurant association, and then they immediately get checks from people from the restaurant association. And the restaurant association is not only against the pro act, I think the pro acts a little more complicated, but clearly billion percent against $15 minimum wage. And then coincidentally, Manchin and Sinema will vote against the minimum wage and make a big show of A voting against it.

Manchin proudly brags about killing things like that. Cinema did the hip swirl as she voted against it. Then she sends a message to you guys saying, F off, you guys aren't important to me at all. She would never dare wear that ring when she goes to meet with the restaurant association. Okay? And that boy, she'd be, oh, please, please. Now, there's not a single reporter in the country, apparently, among the national media. David Serota covers this, he does a great job.

Washington Post, New York Times, do you guys exist? Do you think that maybe the corporate donations they get from the Restaurant Association and the Chamber of Commerce and the business, Roundtable, et cetera, might be relevant to their vote on the minimum wage, might be relevant to their vote on the Pro Act. Yet you never put that in any of the articles. The national media is embarrassing, embarrassing, okay? So, and the reason why Chris and Cinema can tell her own voters to F off is because she knows you said no consequences.

Why no consequence, Anna? Because the media sucks. So the media would report it, I mean, it's not like this is a secret, yeah, they're corrupt, They're all corrupt. And then what? Like, that's my point. And then what? And then what?

No, but Anna, okay. And then what? No, I would love to get the and then what. And I will tell you then what. So right now, the media reports Manchin and Cinema as moderates and centrist, which makes them look reasonable. Oh, they're between the Republicans or the Democrats, which makes them look reasonable. If they kept talking about, oh, they voted against minimum wage, and here are their

corporate donors that agreed with that policy. And here's the checks that they sent to Mansion and Cinema, right? Well, that would get through to people. We are in news. We have it up to here with political information, okay? So we all know how corrupt mansion and cinema are. You think people in their state? No, no, especially among Democratic voters.

Republican voters know about corruption, and they've gone to crazy conspiracy theories to fight it, but at least they're aware of it. When you go talk to Democratic voters, they're like, no, I read the New York Times and I listen to NPR. All of our Democratic senators are angels, angels sent it from above. And the ones that are the most right wing are the most moderate and centrist and reasonable. That's what the New York Times and Washington Post tell me. So it must be true. I think one of the mistakes you make, though, is assuming that Democratic voters, and I'm not talking about potential Democratic voters or working people who actually don't vote at all because they don't think that lawmakers are going to do anything for them. Most Democratic voters at this point represent the managerial class.

These are people who are college educated. These are people who are well-to-do. These are people who are not concerned about a $15 an hour minimum wage to the extent that we are. And that's also a problem. Yes. So that's a big chunk of the Democratic voters, I agree. But that is not, that I'd be shocked if that was the majority. But look, guys, what does the Democratic Party stand for? If it turns out we stand for the management class, well, then we're going to flip, we're going to lose all of our advantages and we're going to win no elections going forward. So look, Anna, but the bottom line is, the bottom line is the rest of the, the elect. does not know what we know and what our viewers know, because we cover it every day, right? But the rest of the media, in their absolute protection of the corporate Democrat Democrats in the Senate and the House,

AIDS and abets their corruption. So, like, last example here, Ted Cruz, when he went to Cancun, everybody covered it wall to wall. Oh, look at the hypocrisy, et cetera. If they gave that same coverage to Manchin's donors or Cinema's donors, their approval ratings would plus. like cruises did, and then all of a sudden, then they're like, oh, no, no, like Cruz did. All of a sudden, there's tough guy Cruz, right? Apologetic, I didn't mean to go to Cancun. I was doing it for the kids, but I didn't mean it, et cetera, right?

And then all of a sudden, mentioned the cinema or dancing into a different tune. But they, there's, it's like the cops. There's no consequences. There's no accountability. So they get to do whatever they want because the media will not report on their corruption at all costs. If people knew how corrupt they were, their poll numbers would be disastrous. And then they turn around and have rings of, oh, I love you. I'm sorry, I'm an $18 minimum wage.

So I guarantee it. That's definitely how politics is. Anyway, one last thing. Look, guys, I'm going to gratuitously say, I don't love the pro act here. There's parts of the pro act I don't agree with. But whether I agree with it or not, when somebody like Mark Warner, to add to the list of people who are against the pro act, says that he, doesn't agree with certain provisions. Even me, agreeing with some of what he's saying policy-wise,

goes, I don't believe you. Why? After Warner goes and does some of the things that he does in favor of corporate America, like Amazon sends them huge checks, right? And after all the Amazon executive send them checks, I no longer believe a word he says. I don't know that it's based on principle or that they bribed them. And yes, Mark Warner, I don't care about your feelings.

when you take tens of thousands of dollars from Amazon executives right after a vote, even if you're not the most corrupt man in America, you look like the most corrupt man in America. So either change the system or don't cry about us calling you corrupt, because these look like obvious bribes. All right, well, let's move on to our next story. And it has to do with how Senate Democrats are kind of navigating this corporate tax hike in order to pay for Biden's infrastructure bills. So looks like Senate Democrats have already settled on only increasing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 25%.

The Biden administration has proposed increasing the corporate tax rate to 28%, even though it was 35% before Trump cut taxes on corporations and the wealthy. Now, we're learning through reporting by Axios that Democrats who've privately hinted they may be uncomfortable with going to 28%. And that includes senators Tim Kane, Mark Warner of Virginia, Kirsten Cinema of Arizona, and John Tester of Montana. So we're talking about conservative Democrats here who have been bought off by the very corporations who have a vested interest in keeping their corporate tax rate low. Increasing the rate from 21% to 25%, which is what they're proposing here, would raise about $600 billion over 15 years. It would leave President Joe Biden well short of paying for his proposed $2.25 trillion $8 year infrastructure package. And before I go to you, Jank, I think it's important to take a look at how Senator Chris

Coons, a conservative Democrat, is messaging on this bill because it's not just about keeping the corporate tax rate low. We now see a growing number of corporate Democrats calling for essentially cutting more of the popular provisions in Biden's infrastructure plan. Take a look at what he had to say. The question I have for you, Senator Coons, is what's in it for Republicans to agree to a plan in which Democrats can act bipartisan to pass part of the bill, but then they ram the rest of it through on a party line reconciliation vote?

Well, Chris, the broader question you're really asking is what's in it for our country and what's in it for the people we represent from our states if Republicans and Democrats work together to solve problems? I think that if we come together in a bipartisan way to pass that $800 billion hard infrastructure bill that you were talking about that I've been urging, then we show our people that we can solve their problems. We've all agreed for a long time that we need to invest more in American infrastructure. We just disagree about how to pay for it.

So Coons is essentially repeating what you hear from a lot of Republicans on Fox News. Oh, you know, this bill, it just has too much in it. We need to focus on infrastructure, and Kuhn seems to be in agreement with them. And obviously, this is in an effort to keep the costs down in order to prevent any tax hikes on the wealthy and on corporations. That's what this is really about. Okay, guys, this is an epic disaster. So, and how progressives react to this will be, well, it'll be everything.

So let me explain. So, you know, Trump cut the corporate taxes from 35% to 21. So Biden said, we're going to move it back up to 28. That's not back up. That's halfway to 35%. So already Biden was, I think, literally terrible on the issue, okay? 28% is not back up to 35%. So it's basically Biden saying, yeah, I want to give a giant tax cut to the wealthiest corporations in America by not undoing Trump sex.

Now, he then has signaled a willingness to concede on even the 28%. And now Axios openly, all the senators in Washington openly talking about 25%. So it's gone, 10% from 35 to 25. That is gigantic, gigantic. That is the Democrats doing what they always do. You take the Republicans gifts to the rich and to the corporations, and then you shave a little off the top and then make them permanent. That's the same thing Obama and Biden did with the tax cuts for the rich that Bush passed, but couldn't make permanent. So no, this is total good cop, bad cop.

I want no part of it. Second of all the infrastructure bill, Coons. Now Coons is really important. One, he's one of the most conservative Democrats, right? But two, he's from Delaware and one of Biden's top allies, he was almost going to go in the administration. One of his top advisors in his campaign was one of the top surrogates, okay? Why do I tell you that? Because Coons is Biden.

Yes, exactly. So Biden is sending Coons out to say, go ahead and tell everybody we're going to cut the living crap out of my infrastructure. structure bill. Yep. So because he never meant it. He never meant it. So this is the proof in the pudding. If the progressives in Congress still can't muster up how to oppose them for their

hopeless. All right. So now, let me give you more details. Kuhn says, well, maybe we do, instead of $2.2.000, which is Biden's proposal, maybe we do $800 billion. Oh, that's it. This bill's gone. This bill's gone.

Then Collins comes in. Susan Collins is a Republican, but part of the group of 20, so-called bipartisan Republicans as Democrats, you know what that is? That's a corporate group. Those that corporate 20 will control every piece of legislation and Biden will secretly cheerlead for it, okay? So they're saying, and you know why they're saying 800 million and specifically Coons is saying it? So that when Biden settles on around 1.1 trillion, they'll say, what do you mean? We got the Republicans up from 800 million. But it wasn't the Republicans. It was Coons, who's Biden's guy. So Biden is undercutting himself so he can brag about getting only half of his number.

Now, back to Susan Collins. I brought her up because she says, well, we should only keep the parts that are about infrastructure. In other words, anything relating to Green New Deal we're going to kill. Now, if they kill the parts that are about the Green New Deal, they cut it to half, they make tax cuts for corporations permanent at a deep, deep level, and they don't include $15 minimum wage, which is the track that we're on right now. That's the track we're on right now. If they do all that, that is a miserable bill.

And then, of course, all of Washington media and all of the Washington Democrats and all their fanboys and girls would come in and go, oh, Jake, that's the best we could do. There was nothing else we could do. There was nothing else we could do. It was the best we could do.

That's why we screwed everybody, and now you need to cheerily in for the Democrats. And my answer to that, all of yours answers to that should be, hell no, okay? So let's see what you got, Biden. But I guarantee you right now, devoid these, we are voices in the wilderness,

all of us progressives. I mean, Bernie barely fights for us at this point. So you think we're going to win on this stuff? No, we're going to get slaughtered on this stuff. And then, but the progressives better not sit back and go, I don't know. Is there anything we can do politically? Because then you're no different than Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden.

And then we're in a lot of trouble. I mean, what happened to no excuses? They have the slim majority in Congress. get it. There's a legislative filibuster in the Senate. But we're not talking about unpopular provisions in this infrastructure bill. We're not only talking about the environmental components of it, but remember, there's also a component that provides income for individuals who have to essentially stay home from work in order to provide elder care. Like, there are parts of this provision that are popular all around. And if Democrats are willing to fold this easily on the infrastructure

bill? I mean, what happened to making the child tax credits permanent, right? That's not even included in the infrastructure bill. That's supposedly going to happen in a subsequent proposal from the Biden administration. And like, really, they're going to use all their political capital on getting this infrastructure bill passed. And if they're this week on the infrastructure bill, I think it would be incredibly naive to think that they're going to fight in order to keep those child tax credits permanent. No, no, look, I'm done. trying to get progressive legislators to listen to reason. So we have to somehow burst their bubble.

And the bubble is Washington, D.C. Everyone in there is telling them, well, don't fight. Next bill, next bill, next bill. No, Anna's 100% right. There is no next bill. There is no next bill. There's HR1. There's the infrastructure bill.

There ain't nothing else. You think they're going to go back to a $15 minimum wage and fight for that? They're not going to do that. Honestly, if you're a progressive in Congress and you believe that, they're playing you for a fool. Ask them, give them concrete example and date of when they're going to release a bill that has $15 minimum wage in it and fight for it. And how are they going to fight for it? They won't give you that answer. Nobody will give you that answer because that answer doesn't exist.

They're going to completely drop it. They're going to go back to the daycare thing and make it permanent? No. Hey, hey, you know what? Any so-called progressive in Congress, I'm just directing this to them. Name a number. I'll bet you any amount of money. You think Biden and Pelosi and Schumer are going to help you pass $15 million weights, and then you're going to go make that daycare thing permanent instead of one year? Name a number. Name any number.

You don't even know you're getting played, let alone the fact that you're going to somehow rally, fight back when you've shown no fight at all, and derail what is about to screw us permanently in the corporate tax rate, let alone the fact that they're not even talking about it in which. You guys, all right, good luck to you, good luck to you, because you guys are all geniuses and you have it all figured out, okay? So good luck. We got to take a break, but when we come back, the Biden administration is shutting down one of their child migrant detention centers, and we'll show you why. We need to talk about a relatively new show called Un-F-The-Republic, or UNFTR.

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Thank you. All right. during the break, English teacher in 1984 in our member section says, I'm uncomfortable with a corporate tax rate at 25%. It should be 38% with no loopholes. Here, here, brother. Irene says it's good cop, bad cop, but the good cop's not even doing a great acting job. Totally, except everybody in Washington is like, ooh, Biden really wants to file. Oh, he's like FDR and LBJ. At this point, that's just a sad joke. You'll see, you'll see. If I'd love to be wrong, you know when I'm wrong, I come out and tell you, I ain't going to be wrong. He ain't no FDR. He's

going to fold on everything. He's not going to fold. He doesn't even want any of this stuff. Effectos writes, since student loan debt cancellation, gone. $15 minute wage, gone, raising the corporate tax rate, gone. How's Biden start his campaign? Quote, nothing will fundamentally change. Well, that's what he promised, and that's where we are. So you're online on that front, at least. A new YouTube member that hit the join button below, Pamela Twining. Pamela, you're kind of awesome.

Bit of an American hero. Is that too fudge? Nah, just enough. All right, Pamela, American hero. All right, hit the join button, join her. Michael Goldman on YouTube super chat. Always happy to give to TYT, please do more coverage of progressive candidates like Odessa Kelly and Ron Abd al-Hamid.

Even if our allies in Congress have fallen short, we must give them strength because they're all we've got. I hear you in Odessa Kelly is a wonderful candidate. She's a great Justice Democrat. She was released. That news was released recently. We're having on her on our programming. Having said all that,

outside of Nina Turner, it's hard to get excited until we see just one, one thing that the just Democrats do in Congress to fight back. I'm the guy who founded and named Justice Democrats. And so if I wanted to just have it be about my ego, I tell you all, they're doing an amazing job. Oh, amazing. You see that $20 minimum wage they got? No, my job is to be honest with you.

So let's go. Let's see some action. Otherwise, it doesn't matter what I think. I could have Odessa Kelly on the show a million times. You guys aren't going to give her five bucks because you think what's the point? But the people that are already in there, they think, well, I'm already in here. So, okay, that's very nice. Really teamwork there.

Jacob Torres, right, said, yay, I love to see the OG duo Jank and Anna in the studio. The last news and salt are all appreciated. Thanks for all you do, TYT. Jacob, we appreciate you, brother. Serena Butterfly Dragon, beautiful. says, did you see the size put up in Arizona? They play the video over a curtsey and point out all over no votes on things voters want. I retweeted them so great.

I, of course, have not seen that, but that sounds awesome. Peter Hamby says, mansion is cinema giving the GOP fuel to regain the Senate. It makes me wonder how much right-wing media is covering their acts. I bet a lot. Yes, I agree as well. Grandma Dragon, says it's so good to see you back in the studio. Much love. Grandma, Dragon right back at your sister, much love,

and Trisha Brakes, Jen Kananda, back in the studio. Best Monday ever, thank you. And best Monday is being with you guys. We'll be right back. All right, back on Young Church, Jake and Anna, with you guys back in the studio, feels great. Like, I got so used to the home studio, I'm like, is this okay? Am I allowed to do this?

So it just, but I'm warming back up, as you can tell. I'm such an random collection of like good feelings, optimist, positive guy, gets so mad about the stories. Anyways, all right, let's get mad again. Come on. All right. Well, Biden, of course, has been getting a lot of backlash over the conditions in the migrant detention centers, so he's shutting one of them down.

The Biden administration is shutting down one of the migrant detention centers that houses, or I should say detains migrant girls. So these are minors and the conditions are so awful that they had no choice but to shut it down. Now, how awful are the conditions at this facility in Houston? Well, ABC News reports that sources familiar with the facility's operation said the girls housed there, ages 13 to 17, were at times instructed to use plastic bags for toilets because there were not enough staff members to accompany them to restrooms, which I think is all fine and dandy in this country where we have massive corporations that literally force their employees to

urinate in bottles because they're not allowed to take bathroom breaks. So we're just training them for the workforce here in the United States. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with that guys? Obviously, I'm being sarcastic. But we also learned that there's a lack of outdoor space meant, and that meant that girls spent most of the day on makeshift caught surrounded by boxes intended to offer some semblance of privacy. The facility also suffered from overcrowding and failed to comply with pandemic-related distancing measures. There were about 500 girls in that detention center. They're now being moved out into other detention centers, and this ABC News video has some more details on what those centers look like.

They were more treated like merchandise rather than treated as human beings. This migrant rights advocate toured the warehouse two weeks ago and was troubled by what he saw. The girls were not allowed to get up unless it was to shower or to use the restroom. Even their meals were delivered to their cots. The administration contracted the National Association of Christian Churches to run the site. They specialize in disaster relief, not caring for migrant kids. And this morning, there are serious questions about how this group was awarded a $4 million government contract in the first place.

A lawyer for the church group tells ABC News the administration, including Health and Human Services Secretary Javier Bacera, personally requested their services and that they did what they could do to help under the direction of HHS. As for the girls, many now relocated to other shelters like this one in Carrizo Springs, Texas. Others reunited with their family. Now, this is a growing issue at the border where unaccompanied minors are, essentially being forced to remain in these detention facilities when in reality, many of them arrive with information about family members or sponsors within the country that they can go to.

But that would require resources. It would require more manpower in order to go through the necessary checks before placing these children with these sponsors or with these family members. And we have a broken government that refuses to do it. So instead, we play musical chairs and put these children in one awful detention facility to the next. That's what's happening at the border. That's it. That's what's happening. Yeah. So this, there's one part of this story that you should know the full context for. So that Christian Church organization, their denials about them asking for this contract

was pretty convincing to me. It sounded like they really meant it when they were, because they gave specific details that were credible about how the Biden administration asked them to do it. They even said, look, we didn't have any experience on this. This just landed on our footstep. We didn't want it, right? And so, and so it sounded credible to me. So it seems like it's more of a screw up of the Biden administration than that particular organization. So I just wanted everybody to have that full context. Now, in terms of what they should do, look, it's, I don't want people thinking this is an easy issue.

I always remember Trump coming out and saying healthcare, no one knew it was this complicated. And look, when unaccompanied minors show up in America, it is complicated. There are a couple of different factors, you've got to follow the law, and you don't want them coming by themselves. On the other hand, when they do, you can't just send them back, et cetera, right? Now, and there's still relatively young administration, right? It hasn't even been 100 days yet. So I understand all of that. But to me, it seems like I always want to be constructive.

And one thing that makes sense to me is get them to the sponsors as quickly as possible. And we've got to have a better sponsor system. So the right wing says, oh, well, you know, if you give them the family members or sponsors, you never see them again. First of all, that's not true. We shouldn't have the stats. I think it's about 83% come back for their court proceedings. But we could be have a system that's a, you know, has more checks and balances on the sponsors so that we can get that 83% up to 95% or just a number we're all more comfortable with. Like there should be some degree of consequences if they, if the kids don't come back for hearings that they're supposed to have, et cetera.

Right? That's the right way to do. Trying to hold them in government facilities for any period of time is almost never going to work. It's going to create situations where you're worried that the girls are going to move around, in which case it's harder to track them. And what if there's sexual assault? Oh, my God, that's a nightmare. But if you don't have them move around, then you have them cooped up in a box, right? There's a lot of no wins there. Let's get them to the sponsors as quickly as we can. Well, I also think it's a problem when you're communicating that unaccompanied minors will be allowed into the country and go through the proceedings, but families arriving to the border will be turned back. So if you're a parent in one of these Latin American countries who's incredibly desperate to get your children to safety as a result of, by the way, U.S. foreign policy that is completely destroyed and ravage those countries, well, then you're going to take that risk. You're going to send your child to safety unaccompanied. Wouldn't it be better to actually have a policy in place? Like the half measures with the Biden administration, and we saw this with the Obama administration as well, do not work. Stop trying to straddle the desires of the GOP and then what progressives want. You've got to commit to one or the other.

And so what he's trying to do here is say, no, I'm a hardliner when it comes to families arriving at the border. Okay, well then people are going to send unaccompanied minors because they're desperate. No parent does that because they're bad people. No parent does that because they enjoy doing that. They do it because they're desperate. At TYT, we frequently talk about all the ways that big tech companies are taking control of our online lives, constantly monitoring us and storing and selling our data. But that doesn't mean we have to let them.

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The solution is turn back to kids too. Let them go back through the desert and through that perilous journey with coyotes. At that point, coyotes can't get paid, so they wouldn't even have any guidance. Good luck walking back to Guatemala, okay? That's the Republican solution. Our solution is, no, except the families as well. Well, that doesn't mean they get to stay. That's why I talk about having a great sponsor program that if folks are releasing

to the country and they don't come back for their hearings, there should be some significant consequences. But in return, we can treat people humanely when they arrive here. So there is a better way to do this, but Biden is trying to split the baby and, you know, almost literally at this point. And you're not going to win any Republican votes. I don't, how many times can we say this? It's not the 1990s.

There are no Republicans to win over. They're gone. So middle ground approach, all it does is cost you more of your base voters. And I was going to say, if the only thing you care about is politics. But of course, the only thing they care about is politics. Because if you cared about it in terms of policy, obviously you would accept the families, not permanently, but so that they can get a hearing. And last thing that Anna mentioned, look, I got kids. A lot of you out there have kids, how desperate would you have to be to send your kids on a journey of hundreds and hundreds of miles?

And sometimes with coyotes who are like really bad guys, how desperate would you have to be? You think anybody does that out of, who cares? Indifference? No, they love their kids just like we do. And you got to be incredibly desperate to do that. That's how bad the situation is. That's what we got to wake up to. You know, it's interesting because I was curious, what was different about Cuban amnesty, right? Because Cubans, after the Cuban Revolution, were granted amnesty in the United States.

And everything just goes back to foreign policy, guys. It's kind of incredible. They were hoping that they could, the U.S. government was hoping that they could use Cubans to fight Fidel Castro in Cuba. Like, go to war and reverse the revolution. That's what it was about. But the government doesn't see a use for migrant families seeking asylum. So that's really the cold, hard truth of what's happening at the border. And it's really frustrating to see the Biden administration get so concerned about what Republicans have to say about him, what the corporate media has to say about him. He's not winning any favors either from the left or the right on this issue by trying to straddle that line. And he's failing pretty tremendously on this issue.

Yeah, and he's giving in a Republican talking points like calling it a crisis, et cetera. There's just no strength there. There's nonstop triangulation. And it's not going to work. All it's going to do is get him in trouble. It's not good policy. It's not good politics. And I don't know that Biden's got it in him to turn around.

So expect more of this trying to muddle through with half measures, especially that refugee cap that we covered last week. adopting Trump's brutal refugee cap, what, to get zero Republican voters? Nah, it's in Biden's DNA to go wherever the Republicans are, to meet him halfway, no matter how draconian the Republicans are. And it's not smart politics. And it just, it puts all of us in grave danger because that makes it more likely that a very right wing and I'm worried fascist Republican will win the next time around because all we're doing is appeasement. Definitely. We should take a break. But when we come back, if you're concerned about

scams and fraud in regard to these coronavirus vaccination documents and cards, you'd be right in being worried because we're already seeing it happening. I want to give you the details on that and more when we come back. I'm going to be able to be. So, I'm going to be able to be. We've got a lot of green things going on. We've got a green sale. You're gearing up for 420.

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oh my God, we got members-only coverage coming at 1030. It starts at 8.30 p.m. for everybody, but at 10.30, we switch to members only, so make sure you catch all of it. All right. Now, speaking of members, I'm going to our member section. Hermpes wrote in, the media portraying Biden as FDR or as swayable by the left, reminds me when the media was saying Trump was going to change his tune and start acting more presidential. Nothing will fundamentally change indeed. So here we go. Tina says, today basically sums up why I didn't like or want Biden. Biden's a serial liar, always was and always will be. but as much as I love and I do, and I do, just not as much, and wanted Bernie to win, given his silence and complicity with Biden, I'm not sure he would have fought if he had become

president, hashtag disappointed. Look, Tina, unfortunately, I agree with you. Well, this thing I'm starting to think now is if Bernie had won, would he have been able to effectively fight back against all these guys? I don't know. Anyway, ironically next I go to handle someone who likes Bernie Sanders. All right, there's, so they're going to close down this facility, but where are the kids going? If they're being moved to other facilities, aren't those already also overwhelmed?

Yes, yes, they are. Yes. Yeah, so they're doing nothing, essentially. Like, this changes nothing. It changes nothing. It's not even a Band-Aid. I'll tell you why they're moving them. They're moving them because of the peeing in the backs.

That's an optic that they can't stomach unless Amazon's paying them a lot of money, in which case they stomach it right away. All right, anyway, let's go to Jay Hufford wrote in Cuban immigrants who are worthy victims. They were wronged by our official enemy. Migrants now are victims and therefore unworthy. And so look, I want to make one point about what Anna said. Partly was it was like, oh, Cuba, oh, it's because they're suffering so much under communism. What, they're not suffering in Latin America now? The only people that are suffering are people under communism?

That makes no sense at all. So it's just politics and ideology and horse crap. That's the reality. We'll be back. All right, back on TYT, Jankana with you guys. People who just joined on YouTube by hitting the click button below, Brendan Ray, Serena Butterfly Dragon, there she is again, Ashley D, Ashley Serena, all of you folks, Brandon. to have you with us. It's wonderful to have you guys as Young Turks members. You are going to make

change possible. That's what we're fighting for. That's what we're going to get, even if we got to shake some of our own to do it. All right. I appreciate your courage. And I hear that there's some sort of hype train. I hear that it's loaded. I hear it might be able to be soon be leaving the station if it hasn't already. That's what happening on Twitch and you all know it. Let's just keep it real. All right, Casper. What's next? All right. Fraudulent vaccination cards are popping up all over the internet, mostly because whether you got a vaccine or not is not basically kept, like no one keeps track of it digitally. What you get is some sort of paper document indicating that you've been vaccinated. Well, if you are a fraudster and you're looking to make some

money, you can just sell copies of that document, blank copies, for people to fill out for themselves, and that's literally happening right now. So one account on eBay with the username Asian Jackson, was shut down after investigators found that that particular account was selling blank vaccine cards. Asian Jackson, the eBay account maintained by a man who works at a Chicago area location of a national pharmacy chain, sold at least 110 blank vaccination cards through eBay, including 50 cards alone on April 11th. And I want to be clear about something that pharmacy worker says that he is not the person who's, you know, someone basically hack into his eBay account and is using it to sell these fraudulent documents.

Of course, of course, I don't know how true that is. That's what he's claiming. That's why his name hasn't really been revealed here. But this is a real problem as, you know, some schools, workplaces, even public venues restrict access to people who have not gotten their coronavirus vaccine yet. Yeah. He's like, oh, to my account, I've been mean to tell eBay a couple weeks ago, it's a hack and a different email. And I happen to work at a pharmacy. I haven't to have access to these things, but obviously the hacking. And so I don't know, I don't know, let them investigate and find out what happened. But look, the real problem is not the fact that these are paper. I get that that's a problem. That's a huge problem. That's the heart of the

problem. No, look, so number one, let's be fair, they had to get those vaccines out. So they didn't want to go to the paper version, they want to do the digital version, apparently they ran into issues there and they had to go, go, go. I totally get that. I likely would have made the same decision. Of course, I don't know all the details of the problems that they ran into because they're not sharing them. By the way, if we'd gotten digital, then the right wing would have had, and some portions of the left wing would have had other problems with the digital. Like, oh, they're tracking me, it's Bill Gates, it's Fauci, Tom Hanks, whatever, right? Don't they already digitally track the kind of vaccinations you've gotten, like, outside of coronavirus?

Paris, pretty sure they do. So I, you know, probably, but it doesn't matter. It's all about optics and politics, right? So would I mind in digital tracking? Of course, I don't mind, right? It just said, you know what they're tracking? They're tracking that you got vaccinated. Okay, great.

I mean, they're tracking everything you do, let's just keep it real. Come on, guys. You have a tracking device in your pocket all day, every day. Yeah, if you don't know already, I mean, this is now, almost everybody knows. But like, my wife and I have a conversation in the car about someplace we might go on vacation. I go home and on my desktop. that an ad for that place pops up. No, it's just a coincidence.

Yeah, you're worried about Tom Hanks and Fauci and Bill Gates dragging you? Dude, you already tracked in a thousand different ways. Anyways, so, and are normally in a country, people faking getting a vaccination would be a tiny problem. Like in Taiwan, how often is this going to happen? 0.01%. No one's going to care because it's not a big deal. That's not the heart of the problem. The heart of the problem is that about 30% of this country doesn't want vaccinations. If we had a normal rate of people who don't want to get vaccinated, just a couple of points, it wouldn't matter.

We'd have herd immunity anyway, who cares what they're doing with their paper, you know, vaccination cards? But the problem is a lot of people are going, no, I don't believe in science. And the Republican Party's like, yes, we hate science too, that's right. Let's come up with a conspiracy theory. And 30% of the country instantly believes it. I know, but what do you do about that, Jank? about that, Jank? Like, what do you do about? You can't change that. You can't force people to get vaccines. Yeah, the only thing you can do as- Is avoid them. As an employer, as a, you know, person who owns a

specific venue, the only thing you can do is take control of that space and ask for documentation indicating that you've been vaccinated or people have been vaccinated so you can actually protect other patrons, other people, other workers, other students, right? That's the only thing you can do. You can't force people to get the vaccine. The only thing that will persuade them to get the vaccine is if there are limits to what they can and can't do as a result of refusing to get the vaccine. So in order to do that, you need to track it effectively and they haven't been tracking it effectively. Using paper documents, of course, is going to lead to a bunch of fraud. Yeah, of course it is.

I agree with that part. I actually want to give a shout out to one of our viewers who made a really interesting point. Deb Wicks using YouTube super chat. We love doing the show with you guys. and Deb, thanks for writing in, wrote in, found out today that only five of my 19 employees have gotten the vaccine or even intend to. How are we ever going to achieve any level of herd immunity? I am seriously depressed about this ever ending. Okay, so, so Deb backs up what Anna is saying perfectly. Now Deb has to go into work with 14 out of 19 people not vaccinated

and potentially not giving a damn. Now, the good news is guys from science, And you can't look, everybody should be cautious, everybody's got a different risk, you know, metric for which amount of risk they'll be able to withstand. Let's put it that way, even though it's very clunky. Anyway, but once you're vaccinated, the viral load that you receive, even if you get sick. So I got J&J. I got a, so about two-thirds chance that I'm not going to get sick. But let's say that I get the virus in that one-third. It's possible, right?

But even then, the viral load that you have is much reduced. That's why there's almost no hospitalizations and no deaths. Then it becomes a normal virus, like a cold, right? So I'm not saying don't worry about it, et cetera. I'm saying go get vaccinated. Because you don't want to, I always remember, like, who, nobody wants to be the last man to die for a mistake, right? We usually say that about the wars, Vietnam, World War I, et cetera, right?

But in the case of not getting the vaccine, that's what happened. There's no need to die now. Go get the vaccine. And if it turns out you have it and others don't, yes, you have a slightly elevated risk because of that, right? But it's actually only slightly elevated. It is a low viral load even if you get it. And so I also don't want you to panic. We got to go on with our lives because these guys live with us.

And there's nothing we can do about them. So you go protect yourself. And if they want to do reckless, weird things, it is a free country. And so we can't make them do it. It just sucks that we lost a whole wing of America to a faction that just doesn't believe in science, doesn't care, and would rather believe their own mythologies and conspiracy theories than anything closely related to facts. Well, let me try to give you guys a little bit of a silver lining to the story, because there are some statistics indicating that a pretty good chunk of Americans have at least

gotten their first dose. So at least 129.5 million Americans have gotten at least one or both doses of a coronavirus vaccine and have received a free proof of vaccination card with the logo of the CDC as officials push to inoculate the nation. Now, again, you know, that documentation is a little sketchy because of the fact that it's very easily, people can basically photocopy a version of it and fill it out themselves. But nonetheless, this is good news that the majority of Americans appear to be interested in getting the vaccine. Half of Americans have already gotten at least one shot. I do worry about people who aren't able to get the vaccine because of underlying health issues. Those are the people we need to worry about when

it comes to these anti-vaxers. But overall, based on what you said, Jank, you're right. The research that I've read about this indicates that if you do get the vaccine, the odds of you getting incredibly sick and hospitalized is greatly reduced, nearly non-existent. But obviously, read that research for yourself. Don't take my advice or Jank's advice. We're not medical professionals here. That's definitely true. One last fun thing. Texas and Tennessee accidentally made the fraud case is much worse, accidentally. I don't know. They put out blank versions of it on their website. Why? Why did they do that? But why did they do it? So people just started printing them out. But why would they do that? And saying that I got vaccinated. So at a minimum, it's a knucklehead move

to do that because it's inviting fraud. I don't know what it is at a maximum. Are the, are there Republican officials in Tennessee and Texas that might have done that out of bad faith? Because like, guys, go get out. Let's endanger everybody else. They're just faking. I don't know. I don't know. Would I put it past them?

No. But either way, you have to worry about crazy right wingers we all live with less if you go get vaccinated. So do it as quickly as you can. All right. Let's move on to one of the most disturbing stories we've covered in a long time because it has to do with cops committing elder abuse out in the open. So police in Loveland, Colorado used excessive force and were incredibly brutal toward a 73-year-old woman named Karen Gardner, someone who has dementia and who apparently forgot to pay, a whopping $13.88 worth of merchandise at Walmart. So she has dementia, she walks out of Walmart, forgetting to pay for it, and that's when the cops are involved. The videos that we're about to show you are incredibly disturbing, so I want to give you that warning.

But this is how cops in Loveland, Colorado, responded to this elderly 73-year-old woman. Police, stop. You don't want to stop the lights on, siren, stop. You just left Walmart. Do you need to be arrested right now? No, no, no. Okay, let's stop. Come on, come on.

I'm going home. Don't do these. Nope, no, no, on the ground. Stay on the ground. I'm going home. I'm going home. On the ground. On the ground.

On the ground. On the ground. Roblo, 242. Don't do that. After a short struggle, she's now detained. Come on. I am code four. Do that.

Why did you do that? I told you to stop. You don't get to act this way. Come on the ground. All right. Let's stand up. Why are you doing this, ma'am? All right.

Stand up here. I'm not doing anything. Right now you're resisting, which is not going to fly with me. And before that, you try to steal from Walmart. Wow, what a tough guy. Really doing a great job there, roughing up a 73-year-old woman with dementia. The police department is now facing a federal lawsuit.

I'll give you the details on that. But, Jank, why don't you jump in? So we've got a couple more videos on this, and I want to talk about police procedure. I think that's the most important thing here. But I wanted to comment on that video, because you saw the beginning there. Don't lose track of the beginning.

I mean, my God, he didn't try to get in front of her and talk to her and say, hey, where are you going? What happened? Talk to me, et cetera. He went to the arrest instantly. He went to throwing down a 73-year-old woman who weighs 80 pounds. Like what, you saw it there.

One second, two seconds. How long did it take for him to immediately go to put handcuffs on her? Hold on. Do you guys saw her? Did she look well? I don't know. I thought she didn't look well. Right, I mean, but I only got to see her for a second before she's on the ground.

Like, I would have, the way she said she looked kind of dazed, I would have wanted to talk to her for, I don't know, five whole seconds, 10, 15 seconds, a minute before I ascertained, is she confused? She's 73, you could tell. Is she confused or is she a thief that I should throw on the ground? But as I'll talk about more later, we don't train our cops that way. everything, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like nails. So they see a frail old woman who might have dementia and they see a nail. Look, let's just keep it real. This is what policing mostly focuses on.

Like, yes, there's a racial component to it. There's no question. But at the end of the day, cops are not really there to protect and serve. Cops are there to protect business interests. We saw it with Occupy. We saw it in this story because, oh my God, this woman forgot to pay Walmart. for $13.88 worth of merchandise. Wow, wow.

I think Walmart's going to be okay, right? But you're right, Jank. It's just this sense of, how dare you not listen to my commands? I'm going to rough you up now. And it's totally justified because whatever a cop says goes, does it matter if it's a 73-year-old woman with dementia? Does it matter if she looks dazed and confused? I know people with dementia.

I mean, just watching this video, there are moments where they're childlike and defenseless, you know, and you watch the way he's roughing her up and proudly doing so. In this lengthy body cam footage, by the way, on multiple occasions, the cop says to other cops, oh, you know, she's probably around 80 pounds. Oh, she's frail. He knows, he knows, but he's still roughing her up anyway. And by the way, the video goes on. Let's watch.

I'm not going in. Why are you fighting with me? Why are you trying to slip the cuffs off? I'm going home. Stop. I'm going home. No, you're not. Are you finished?

Are you finished? We don't play this game. You understand me? And if you try to kick me, oh, this is going to be bad. I'm gone home. Stop. I'm going home. I'm going home.

I'm going home. I'm going home. Wait. Oh, dear. Are you finished? I'm going home. Oh. Hey, stand up.

We're not going to hold you. I just go to the ground. On the ground. I'm going home. On the ground. Why are you doing this? Let me see if she is. I'm going home.

I'm so worried you for. Yeah, I know. I'm just trying to search her real quick. Oh, I don't know. No, we should wrestle for a minute. So there's now a federal lawsuit against the Loveland Colorado Police Department because in the video that you just watched, it is alleged that the cops dislocated her shoulder, which is pretty easy to believe because you can see. how they're roughing her up. Garner allegedly again, left Walmart without paying a $13,

without paying $13.88 worth of merchandise. Employees stopped her, took back the items, and then refused to let her pay when she offered her credit card. She was unable to communicate with them or understand what was happening. Gardner, by the way, according to the lawsuit, lives with dementia. This is characterized by the impairment

of at least two brain functions, the lawsuit states. On top of that, she has sensory aphasia, which they describe as an inability to understand spoken, written, or tactile speech symbols that result from damage to the area of the brain concerned with language. Austin Hop is the name of the cop who was roughing her up there. And we do have one more video jank

because the situation was so brutal and violent that a bystander had to come up and confront the cops about how they were roughing up an elderly person who, by the way, the bystander thought was literally a child. because of how tiny she is. But, Jenk, go ahead. Yeah, before we get to that video, so look, you notice in almost all these videos, cop videos, that they blame the victim. So they keep saying, why are you making me do this to you?

By the way, a line that a lot of people who've been abused will be familiar with, unfortunately. Yep. Always abusers tell their victims, why are you making me do this to you? And so I feel like the citizenry is the people who are being abused. The cops are the ones that are in power situation. And they keep saying, you're resisting. We don't play this game. Now, that line right there is the epitome of what they are taught.

So some of you might look at that and go, that particular cop is terrible. I can't believe we did this to this poor woman. And I don't know how I feel about that. I do know. No, he's terrible. He should be fired immediately. Look, I think that's an interesting question because there's no way in the world that they didn't teach him to do that. They might have.

They taught him to do that. But I also know that the police force, local police departments are infiltrated with all sorts of scum, including that guy. So look, I don't know about any of that. I don't know any of his personal proclivities or his politics. But guys, but most important, the reason I'm telling you that is not to defend that particular cop is to tell you, you're not going to solve the problem by firing that cop. They train every cop that way. So if anyone dares to resist, even 1% you break them. It doesn't matter if they're 73 years old.

The only thing that matters is, my God, they can't be rich. If they're rich, then we're in a lot of trouble. So don't do it to rich people. But outside of that, okay, if anybody disrespects you a tiny bit, they don't follow your orders. And don't give them any time. Don't give them five seconds. You either shoot them dead in two seconds like they did the Tamir Rice in Cleveland, 12-year-old boy in a park, right?

Or like this woman, you tackle her in two minutes. And sure, who's boss? You tell me, I don't care. You're any cop. Even if you're the best cop in the world. They didn't teach you that in training? Yeah, they taught you that. Don't ever let them disrespect your orders, break them.

You know it. Every cop in the country thinks that. They take sometimes good people, oftentimes I hope, good people, and they train them to be monsters. You think, okay, here's how I can prove it. Is every cop in the country go, I can't believe this bad apple. I can't believe how outrageous he treated that woman. Guaranteed every cop, nearly every cop in the country looks at that video and goes, that's what they taught us to do.

I think every cop looks at that video and anyone who might have a problem with it will refuse to speak out because if you do speak out, you'll be retaliated against. We've seen story after story of cops being retaliated against. Do they explicitly train them to do that? I don't know, but what I do know, by the way, what I know, based on what an oathkeeper just told 60 minutes over the weekend, cops are like training oathkeepers and other right wing militias. Okay, there's scum within the police departments. I think it's too simplistic to say it's the training. There's a culture of violence. There's a culture of protecting business interests over the lives of people, even when it comes down to $13.88. And by the way, that guy

thinking he's a tough guy, that guy thinking he's good at his job, thinking he's some sort of hero for wrestling and brutalizing an elderly person, which by the way, it's amazing to me that he's out of breath while he's doing it. Man. So look. Like maybe maybe maybe maybe training people to be like physically healthy if they're going to be police officers. But anyway, I want to go to one more video jank before we go to your last comment. So let's take a look at what a bystander had to say, when he witnessed the cops roughing up this elderly woman. Where's your sergeant?

Who's my sergeant? Yeah. Okay, well, first, I can tell you that. Sergeant Metzler, he's at the police department. You can go talk to him if you have an issue. Yeah, give me your car so I can put a report. Okay. I see you there how you throw that little kid.

A little kid? Well, I don't know. He's not a little kid. He was just walking, and I see. She just stole from Walmart and refused to stop, refuse to listen to lawful orders, and to fight me. This is what happens when you fight the police. I have to use force to faith safely detain her. That's what this is.

This isn't just some random act of aggression. So the reason why he thought that it was a little kid is because she's tiny and frail. The lawsuit describes Garner as just five feet tall, weighing just 80 pounds, hop himself, that's the cop, later on estimates that she's between four. 4, 10, and 5 feet tall and weighs maybe 100 pounds. He then told the other cop, Jolali, that Garner was like 20 pounds. Elsewhere, he also says that she was a frail little thing. So why did you need to rough her up like that?

Yeah, so two things. On how he roughed her up. One, he probably thinks he didn't. And that's because he was trained. And so you say it's not just the training, it's the culture. But that's my point. Where do they get the culture? They got the culture from the training.

And so, like, but to your point, Anna, about how they protect business interests, and that's the main point of the cops. Well, I totally agree with that. So the oathkeepers go in and they have cops that are apparently training them across the country. And is there a big drive to get to find those cops and get them out of the police departments? No. On the other hand, if there was a news story about how a couple of cops in the country were training left-wing protesters on how to oppose oil pipe. lines. They'd be found like this. They'd be taken out of the police department. It'd be a national investigation. And why? Because you got to protect property rights, more than you have to

protect human rights. And that's also part of the training and the culture of policing. So, by the way, that bystandard, incredibly brave. I know. I know. Yeah. You're going to go up as a brown man with an accent to a cop and tell him what he's doing wrong. Man, you got guts, brother, so we appreciate you. Okay. Now, think about defund the police. This is the second point. One of the things they were trying to say is let's take some of the money from the police departments and use it towards social services because we're sending in hammers to deal with things that aren't nails. And so apparently either he sucks at his job or the training was awful, but likely both on the issue of spotting someone with dementia. No one told you

that if it's a senior citizen, that they might have an Alzheimer's issue or a dementia issue or some cognitive issue, that never occurred to you. Man, why are you making me do this? She said a thousand times in the longer video, I'm just trying to go home. I'm just trying to go home. And she's, I'm going home. She didn't try. I'm going home. I'm going home. When does it occur to you that she might have a cognitive issue? It occurred to me in the first second and you say, okay, that's hindsight. But guys, after you're watching 20 minutes of her saying, I'm going home in a way that clearly indicates she doesn't understand what's happening, it's apparent that none of the cops got trained on any of this. Instead of saying, hey, here's somebody

that needs a social worker, they were taught, here's someone who needs an ass kicking. Think about how insane that is. We've got to stop teaching them that. all right we got to take a break we'll come back for hour two with more police brutality and that oathkeeper story that i teased earlier in the show come right back thanks for listening to the full episode of the young turks support our work listen ad-free access members only bonus content and more by subscribing to apple podcast at apple dot co slash t yt i'm your host jank huger and i'll see you soon