The Young Turks - Fight And Flight - September 30, 2026

Episode Date: October 1, 2026

The Senate voted 47–51 against requiring the State Department to report on the deaths of nine Americans killed by Israeli settlers or security forces in the occupied West Bank, including journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, Omar Assad, and Ayşenur Ezgi Eygi. Meanwhile, a FlyDubai flight traveling from Dubai to Tel Aviv plunged more than 17,000 feet before making an emergency landing in Saudi Arabia after a violent cockpit incident involving the pilots. Elsewhere, new polling examines Americans’ support for populist policies that cross traditional ideological lines. Thanks to today's sponsors: Get 40% OFF the Ground News Vantage Plan when you sign up at ground.news/tyt Stay informed without the media spin at ground.news/tyt Visit www.sleep.me/tyt to get up to $255 off your Chilipad 2.0 with code TYT Use Code TYT for 20% OFF at TruDiagnostic.com Posting a job is easy at upwork.com Use less data, get paid by switching to Noble Mobile: https://go.tyt.com/getnoble For a limited time, save 20% on your first subscription order of AG1 Next Gen or AG1 Pro at drinkag1.com/tyt Hosts: Ana Kasparian SUBSCRIBE on⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YOUTUBE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ☞ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@TheYoungTurks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW US ON: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠FACEBOOK⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ☞  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/theyoungturks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TWITTER⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ☞      ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://twitter.com/TheYoungTurks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠INSTAGRAM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ☞ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/theyoungturks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TIKTOK⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ☞ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠         https://www.tiktok.com/@theyoungturks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 👕⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MERCH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ☞⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠      https:/www.shoptyt.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Me like, me, like me like. I'm so upset. Oh my God. So much going on today. Some of the news, I don't know what to make of. And you'll know which stories I'm talking about later on in the rundown. Yes, we're going to talk about that fly Dubai flight. that the Israelis want us to already believe was a hijacking incident based on jihadi terrorism.

We shouldn't jump to conclusions yet. We don't know all the details. In fact, we have no idea what the motivations were of a co-pilot who got violent against the captain of that flight. And we'll tell you all the details later in this hour. We are going to start off with a pretty big story that broke last night after we did the show. And of course, it has to do with the fact that our government hates us and they never miss an opportunity to tell us how much they hate us. Even if a foreign country is killing us, they will literally go out of their way to vote down an amendment that would call for the State Department to just release a report. Release a report. Look into it maybe. You know, Americans getting killed. Maybe we need to look into that.

No, no. The vast majority of Republican senators, not interested, not interested because they're bought and they're disgusting. But anyway, we'll get to that in just a bit. Second hour, I'll do an interview with an expert who just wrote a book, actually, on artificial intelligence. We'll dive into the economics of it, the impact it's going to have on our economy. But more importantly, what are the real safety risks associated with artificial intelligence? And I will, of course, ask him to speak to me as if I'm a toddler because these concepts, you know, while it might seem simple to understand on the surface, there's a lot that we don't know. And I love talking to people who are knowledgeable about this. So I'm looking forward to that. Anyway, in our member's only bonus episode, Amber Duke, who happens to be the editor-in-chief

over at the Daily Caller will be joining us to talk about the report that they put out on Emily Schrader, where Trump administration officials argued that she's a foreign agent. But more importantly, we're going to talk about a broader, we're going to have a broader discussion about foreign influence here in the United States. And I think it goes deeper than just Israel, although Israel, of course, has the most undue influence over our political system. All right. Well, without further ado, let's get to our first story. In just over four years, nine American citizens had been killed

on the West Bank by violent Israeli settlers or members of the Israeli security forces. And there has been zero, zero accountability. No justice for their families, no one held accountable. It's long past time that we shine a light on these killings and all of the human rights abuses taking place in the West Bank to get answers. The yeas are 47. The nays are 51. The motion is not agreed to. Scott Horton likes to say that we, the people, should hate the government as much, at least as much as the government hates us. And no story communicates to me that our government hates us, then what I'm about to share with you.

The man you just heard from is Democratic Senator Chris Van Hollen. He proposed an amendment to a piece of legislation that would call for the United States State Department. to investigate and put out a report on the nine American citizens who have been killed in the West Bank by either IDF or Israeli terrorists. There's been absolutely no consequences for these individuals. There's been no real investigation into any of it. Not a single politician really seemed to care about it until suddenly Senator Van Hollen comes out with this proposal. And it turns out that nearly every single Republican senator voted against it. Voted against, in my opinion, the bare minimum. Okay, what I believe is honestly a pretty milk toast proposal because it's just calling for

the State Department to investigate this and put out a report. But the vast majority of Republicans, except for one, Senator Rand Paul, not in favor of that. They're in favor of picking your pockets for Israel. They're in favor of you bankrolling Israel's war. They're in favor of American service members fighting Israel's wars. But when it comes to Israelis killing American citizens in the West Bank, have at it, Ha, that it, Ha, that it. Why not?

No consequences, no investigation. These lawmakers couldn't care less because they're bought. Because they're bought. So let's get to the details on what happened here. Now, I would love to say that every Democrat voted in favor of this proposal by Senator Van Hollen. One Democrat in particular voted against it, and wow, I'm sure you'll all be shocked to find that it was Senator John Federman, who's an absolute disgrace. Now, as you saw in our reporting on the Village of Jalud yesterday, that's in the West Bank, over 1,122 Palestinians in the West Bank have been killed by either the or these Israeli terrorists that are referred to euphemistically as settlers.

We don't do that here at TYT. We're going to call them what they are, which is terrorists. Now, at least 246 of those killed happen to be children, which is nearly 25% of the total victims killed by Israelis in the West Bank since October 7th. And roughly 76 to 79 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank since the beginning of this year alone since 2026. So the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs recorded more than 1,330 settler terrorist related attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank from January to late July, averaging six a day and representing the fastest pace in about 20 years. So that's the backdrop. If you're wondering, if you haven't been paying attention to what's been going down in the West Bank and you're wondering how are Americans getting killed, well, there is a culture of violence among these Israeli terrorists and that culture of violence has been victimizing people in the West Bank for a long time now, even well before October 7th, of course. But there are people in the West Bank, some of them are university students, for instance. They're American citizens. Maybe they went to go visit their family members. Maybe, you know, they went to partake in various humanitarian

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the morning, you might as well wake up ready for them. But the point here is we're talking about American citizens. We pay money to fund the salaries of the low-sum politicians who just voted against investigating the slaughter of Americans in the West Bank. So just keep that in mind. So since 2022, honestly, since the beginning of this Gaza genocide, okay, so After October 7th, look, at least nine U.S. citizens, and I think the number is actually a little higher than that, but based on official reports, nine U.S. citizens were killed by Israeli terrorists in the West Bank. Okay, great. I want to show you who some of these individuals are. Right? So you have really, really young people. We're talking about individuals who are 19 years old. The one in the middle is 40. You see him with his daughter, 20-year-old, 14-year-old, 17-year-old. I remember doing the story about. the Turkish-American Igu, who you see there on the right-hand side, only 26 years old. And I also want to just remind you all that there were American citizens in the West, not just the West Bank,

but also in Gaza who were killed, including the American Palestinian journalist, Shereen Abu-Aklai, who was gunned down by an Israeli sniper. investigation carried out by CNN confirmed that it was a targeted killing, but we shouldn't be surprised. I mean, the Israelis have been slaughtering journalists in Gaza. They've been slaughtering journalists and targeting journalists in southern Lebanon. We shouldn't be surprised by any of this. But what we should find incredibly surprising is that Americans don't even have a line of defense when it comes to their own elected lawmakers. We can't even turn to them to investigate this, to demand justice on behalf of Americans, we can't, we can't rely on that.

So additionally, a 10th U.S. citizen, Jacob Flickinger, was killed in an Israeli airstrike on a world central kitchen convoy in Gaza. This was back in April of 2024. I remember reporting on that. So there are all these stories that make it abundantly clear that Americans are getting killed. Again, politicians couldn't care less. And that brings us to the vote that took place yesterday. So Maryland's Democratic Senator, Chris Van Hollen, introduced this amendment to essentially require the State Department to investigate the violence in the West Bank and the killing of American citizens. And Van Hollen was actually very lucky to be able to force a vote on this. And I'm glad that he did it because now it's mascot. Now we know exactly what we're dealing with in the Senate. So basically, he was able to force a vote under Section 52B, 502B, of the Foreign Assistance Act. And that's a law that allows senators to demand human rights reports on countries receiving U.S. military aid, which, as we all know, Israel receives quite a bit of.

Now, the amendment called for an investigation into the nine Americans who were killed. And also maybe take a look at the detention of Palestinian children in Israeli prisons. Why are they detained? Why are these kids languishing in these prisons? They're not prisoners. They're hostages because they haven't been charged with the damn thing. And something tells me that, well, the State Department really doesn't want to investigate that. Additionally, Israel is currently holding three young Americans in their torture prisons. Okay, so this measure included 24 Democrats who actually signed on to it as co-sponsors, which I'm happy to see.

That included Senators Bernie Sanders of Vermont, Tim Kane of Virginia, and Janine Shaheen, or Gene Sheehan, I should say, of New Hampshire. And Gene Sheehan happens to be the top Democrat on the foreign relations. committee, so I'm very happy to see that she actually co-sponsored this bill. But who knows, maybe she co-sponsored knowing full well that every single Republican, with the exception of Rand Paul, would vote against it, meaning that Democrats didn't have the vote to pass this. So who knows how many of these Democrats were totally against it themselves, didn't want the heat, so they voted in favor of it. I don't know. I'm just putting that out there, because I don't really trust some of these

Democrats who have consistently defended Israel, even in their most loathsome war criminal actions. So A-PAC tracker announced that the third American was detained yesterday, by the way. Remember I said there were three young Americans detained? Well, here are the names of those individuals. So the apartheid regime is now holding three young Americans in prison facilities that are notorious for prisoner abuse, by the way, including rape, as we've all learned, and unfortunately seen on camera. So you have Abdul Karim Issa Ahmed Safi, an 18-year-old with Texas. These are all American citizens, okay, taken from his family's West Bank home in the

middle of the night. Adam Karaka, a 16-year-old with ties to Chicago, was detained in July. And then a young woman that I talked about on this show previously, Samasafi, a 20-year-old from Florida who was also taken from her family's home in June. I think about Sama a lot, just because she's a young woman. And then I think about the cases of rape that have been widely reported, that video of a Palestinian hostage who was literally gang raped by IDF soldiers on camera. We all see it.

You can go see it for yourselves. The Israelis protested viciously when they found out that there could be real criminal charges against those IDF soldiers. So they were let off, Scott Free. Who knows what they're doing to Samasafi. But I do know one thing without a shadow of a doubt, our politicians could not care less. They could not care less.

Van Holling continues to be one of the most vocal lawmakers calling for accountability on this issue. So I want to have you guys hear a little of his speech on the Senate floor yesterday. Take a listen. What we're seeing is a consistent pattern in which Americans are being killed by violent Israeli settlers or Israeli security forces with no justice and no accountability from any party,

despite promises to take action by American officials. And this failure is not limited to the current administration. Many of us called upon the Biden administration for answers, just as we have pushed the Trump administration for answers and action. Back then, as now, we're met with statements of concern and told that the United States supports accountability. It just never insists on it. Because concern is not enough when nine Americans are dead and not one person, not one has

been held accountable. How many more Americans must die in the West Bank before this administration takes serious, credible steps to secure accountability, before the United States government does his job and follows through when it says its top priority is to protect American citizens overseas? By the way, whether you're talking about the Biden administration or the Trump administration, juxtapose their apathy toward American citizens getting killed by Israelis in the West Bank with how desperately they work to get Hamas to release the hostages, which I'm glad they did. But also at the same time, it doesn't feel good, right, to be an American citizen

who's represented by politicians who care more about foreigners than they do about their own people. Because that's the reality of the situation. It's just true. It's just true. So the measure did fail. 47 to 51. So you might be wondering, wait a minute, hold on. 47 to 51, they got the majority. No, they didn't get the majority. Well, at least not for the legislative filibuster in place that requires 60 votes. position, by the way, is not even a radical one. That's the thing that really stands out to me. Chris Van Hollen is doing literally the bare minimum because he's not calling for an arms embargo to Israel, which is something that makes more sense, in my opinion. He's just simply calling for the State Department to investigate this and put out a report. That's it. That's it. And guess what?

But most Americans would like some accountability on this. And it goes across party lines. 84% of voters supported the resolution according to a new poll from the Institute for Middle East Understanding. Let me give you the exact details of that. 84% of all voters, including 83% of Democrats and 82% of Republicans, support a State Department review of cases where US citizens are believed to have been harmed or killed. by Israel's military or Israeli terrorists. 72% of all voters, including 75% of Democrats and 65% of Republicans,

support the resolutions demand for a review of Israel's treatment of Palestinians. Of Palestinians. So it doesn't matter which base of voters we're talking about here. Both Democratic voters and Republican voters want this investigated, as it pertains to Americans, certainly, but also the majority would like this to be looked into in regard to the treatment of Palestinians, which gives me a little bit of hope for the future, to be honest with you.

Public opinion has changed so much because of the way Israel conducts itself against all of its neighbors, not just the Palestinians. Take a good hard look at what they're doing in southern Lebanon right now. Take a good hard look at their occupation and Syria. which, by the way, some people on social media last night tried to pretend like doesn't exist. And I'm not even talking about Israelis. I'm not even talking about Zionists. I'm talking about people who hated Assad so much in Syria that what?

You're happy to be occupied by the Israelis? Oh, no, they're not happy to be occupied by the Israelis. So they're denying that it's happening? Do you think we're stupid? Do you think we don't see it? I'm not providing cover for Assad. But let's not get it twisted. Syria is not. better off today, okay? That is very clear. I would rather deal with anything than to be occupied by the Israelis. And I say that as a human being who currently lives in a country that's occupied by the Israelis. Dylan Williams writes, what consequences do the voters want? Well, 77% back sanctions on Israel's government, 67% support restricting trade with Israeli companies, operating in West Bank settlements, 60% back banning Israeli government personnel from entering the

United States and 55% support arresting them if they do. Do you guys want to guess which camp I'm in? But our government hates us. So again, the measure failed, 47 to 51. Welcome to America where your politicians never skip an opportunity to let you know exactly how they feel about you. But they'll pick your pockets for Israel. So of the 51 Republicans who voted, again, 50 oppose the measure.

Senator Rand Paul, only Republican who voted in favor of the resolution. And John Fetterman, the only Democrat who voted against it because he is disgraceful, disgusting, brain damage, literally. And despite the loss, Van Hollen still sees this as a win. How? How is that even possible? He says, tonight 47 senators supported my resolution to get. accountability for the nine Americans killed in the West Bank and for Palestinians who face injustices

daily. That's more support than we've ever had in this fight. And he is seeing this as a glass half full type situation. You know that feeling when you're doing everything you're supposed to be doing, eating healthy, working out, getting sleep, taking supplements, and you still wonder, is any of this actually working? Because doing all the right things doesn't always mean it's working for you. That's why I'm excited about the true age tests from true diagnostic. It uses epigenetics, which may sound complicated, but it's really about tiny chemical tags on your DNA that change in response to sleep, stress, diet, exercise, and your environment. True age reads those tags to estimate how your body is aging. And unlike many biological age tests, their methods are published

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entire order. That's truediagnostic.com code t-y-t for 20% off. I, on the other hand, am just so thoroughly disgusted with our political system and with our politicians. We can't, And by the way, let me clarify, I totally made a mistake earlier. So we didn't get 51 senators voting in favor of this. Only 47 senators voted in favor of this. So I don't know how anyone in this country other than Zionists, because Zionists think anything Israel does is okay. So I'm not even counting them into this.

For anyone else living in the United States, how do you witness what we've all witnessed in 4K? and still defend Israel. By the way, to the detriment of the American people. But here we are. Van Hollen added in a statement, while I was pleased that so many of my Democratic colleagues joined this effort,

it's clear the United States must do more, a lot more. It is our responsibility to ensure recipients of U.S. taxpayer dollars act in line with our laws and our values. this resolution was an opportunity to shed light on a reality that flies in the face of that principle. Couldn't agree more. And here's the thing, the longer Americans think that it is their job to serve politicians in their tribe, right? You provide cover for their mediocrity.

You provide cover for their failures. You provide cover for their traitorous actions. guess what they're going to do, they're going to keep doing more of it. Because why wouldn't they? If you're so overwhelmed with brain rot that makes you think the politicians who I voted for who tell me every day that they loathe me, that they don't value my life, I'm going to keep defending them because I'm so scared of the other party. Well, then you're serving them.

They ain't serving you. And Americans are getting killed for it. So I guess congratulations. Unless we are willing to hold our politicians accountable, including those we favored, including those in the party that we have some sympathy toward or might fully support, until we finally start holding them accountable for their failures, nothing's going to change. It's that simple. They've been getting away with murder, literally, and we've allowed it.

We've allowed it. We, the American people, have allowed it. That's something that we really need to wake up to. Anyway, we gotta take a break. When we come back, we'll talk about what many believe is a false flag. We don't have evidence of that, although some suspicious things have been taking place when it comes to some flights headed for Tel Aviv. We'll tell you the details as we know them. I'll share my thoughts.

You don't want to miss it. We'll be right back. As a MOV's profit in our TYAT.com member section says, is it weird that we need a bill to get the State Department to just do their job? It is weird. Actually, to be fair, it's not weird in a country that's occupied by a foreign power. I know that's like a very offensive thing to say, but when you come across stories like this, for those who think, come on, Anna, like it's wrong for you to say that. We are not occupied. That's hyperbole. I want to be clear. I sometimes intentionally engage in hyperbole. There's no question, you know, for entertainment's sake. I am not engaging in hyperbole when I say we're occupied by Israel. So for those who disagree with me, honestly, and I mean this, please explain to me how you come across stories like this and don't think we're occupied. Okay, let's go to Emerald's Dad. Good evening, TYT, fam. Today is my birthday. And yesterday, my wife, who was 22 weeks pregnant, was informed that she lost the baby. I would love a shout out to our fallen child. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Gosh, 22 weeks. That's so sad. Her name was Orrub. Ariana Jade, Cassaniera.

My heart is with you and your family. I know that you're probably going through it right now. I'm sorry that this happened to you on your birthday. It feels ridiculous to wish you a happy birthday given what you and your wife have gone through. But I hope that you do find a little bit of comfort today and that you're showered with love. Thank you for watching the show on your birthday. I don't know if any of this news is going to cheer you up. But thank you for your support and thank you for writing in and sharing, you know, such a sensitive matter with us.

All right, we got to get back to the show. I'll see you guys there. He speaks, writes in and tells us in the super chat section. We understandably emphasize the number of children the IDF has killed. The IDF has also killed more women than any military in the 21st century at more than 12,500, by the way that we know of. far more women died in the second Congo war, but of starvation and disease, not by a military. And in fact, history speaks, I would love to know what the jet, like the real numbers are, right? Because there are direct killings or deaths due to military action. And then there's what's referred to as indirect deaths.

So for instance, when you take out every dialysis facility in the Gaza Strip and those suffering from chronic kidney disease, as my mom did, by the way, can't get their dialysis. Well, they're going to die. So those are the deaths that aren't counted in the official numbers. What's also not counted in the official numbers are the number of dead bodies still under the rubble or, unfortunately, now that the Israelis have gone. on in and they're taking and dumping out the rubble along with the remains, the human remains, we might never know how many people have officially been killed by the Israelis in Gaza. And that's the point. That's why they're not allowing international journalists in. And that's the reason why they've literally slaughtered thousands of journalists and then smeared them after the fact as Hamas. Just absolutely disgusting. Cool Nelson, 1, 2, 3, 4 says, we live in the United States.

States of Israel, we literally need a second declaration of independence at this point. I mean, yes, actually, we do. We do. I don't, I, I, I, the reality has hit me like a ton of bricks and knowing that this country is not what I thought it was at all in any way, including our freedoms, our sovereignty, all of that, it doesn't exist right now. So unless we do something about that, I'm going to lose my mind because I don't want to live in Israel. I want to live in the United States of America where the people of this country get to decide who we elect, why we elect them, and what kind of policies we push for. Okay, so let me just tell you about our sponsor real quick. Noble Mobile Mobile. You have heard about Noble mobile mobile, maybe about a billion times

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That's t yt.com slash switch. Okay, God help me. Let's get to this next story because we have to talk about it. I will speculate about it after I give you the facts as we know them. But I just want to be cautious

and I also want you to be warned this is a still developing story and I don't trust the Israelis. I wouldn't trust the Israelis with anything. So any narrative coming out of Israel, I don't, I just,

I can't, take it at face value. Sorry, but here's what we know. Take a look. This morning, there was a severe security incident on a flight from Dubai to Israel, almost all the passengers on that fly were Israelis. 17,000 foot drop of this plane in just about two minutes. Few Israelis are the runaway to the guy. He took a knife and tried to kill the pilot. Some of my favorite designs on ShopTYTYT are Get Caught Trying and Team Joy. And let me tell you, getting those up on ShopTYTG quickly and painlessly was all thanks to Shopify.

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after a cockpit stabbing took place between a co-pilot and the captain. Now, the incident is being treated as a possible terror attack that luckily did not come to fruition. The individuals flying on that plane have not been killed. They did make the emergency landing in Saudi Arabia. But let me give you the details as we know them. And for anyone who's already jumped onto the conclusion that this is obviously a hijack. This is obviously a terror attack. There is a lot that we do not know.

There are many unanswered questions and it's better to wait and see what happens as this story develops. But here's what we know. The incident happened on a fly Dubai flight. Okay, this was flight 1073 and there were 180 passengers on this flight, which was headed for Israel's Ben-Gurian airport. The majority of the passengers were Israeli based on what we're hearing from these reports. And basically what happened is suddenly the co-pilot attacked the captain on the flight.

This is in the cockpit. So reports claim that the suspect stabbed the captain, okay, stabbed him. So he had a knife. Keep that in mind. Fly Dubai flight 1073 began a sharp descent from 34,000 feet roughly two hours and 20 minutes after takeoff and briefly entered a nosedive over the desert near the Saudi Arabia Jordan border. It lost half of its altitude in less than two minutes, publicly available flight data shows.

Now, there are all sorts of videos online that you guys can check out for yourselves. We're not going to be able to show you all of them. We will show you some, though. And you can see the absolute terror that the passengers were experiencing as it was, you know, making that sharp descent. And it's terrifying. I mean, absolutely terrifying, absolutely traumatic. And it takes, just to be clear, three hours and 30 minutes, sometimes, depending on the weather,

three hours and 55 minutes, to fly from Dubai to Israel. Okay, so let's say three hours and 30 minutes, just for the sake of this conversation. Keep that amount of time in the back of your mind because it's going to come up later. So the plane stabilized after 10 minutes of erratic flying and someone in the cockpit activated, the 7,700 or 7,500 emergency distress codes, signaling general emergency and unlawful interference, according to flight trader 24. I'm sorry, flight radar 24.com. The plane, a Boeing 737 max, eventually landed safely in Tabook, Saudi Arabia. Now, at that point, Israel had already deployed its fighter jets due to the distress code being activated, but they later.

later turned back after the plane made a safe emergency landing in Saudi Arabia. Now there are videos circulating online, which I alluded to earlier, and they show people who seem to be injured. In fact, there are two individuals seen in some of the videos laying down on the floor of the aircraft. And then they're both covered in blood. They're wearing oxygen masks. And so we're about to show you some more footage of what happened on the flight. I just want to let you know if you're a little uncomfortable seeing blood, you're going to see blood in this video. So I want to give you a proper warning ahead of time. With that in mind, let's take a look. We are here on the plane right now. We have taken control of the terrorists. We are about to land.

Anyone who hears me, we need help. We are landing in Tabuk, probably in the Saudi Arabia area, an unknown and unfamiliar area. Everyone on the plane is healthy and whole except for the pilot. We need help. The motive is incredibly important here for a few reasons. So they were either trying to kill everybody on board. And you can, you know, from there, surmise that there's a plane load of largely Israelis traveling back from Dubai to Tel Aviv at this point that speaks potentially to motive. But until we find out, we're not sure.

Terrorism is politically motivated violence against civilians. So the cause of a terrorist or would be terrorist would need to be made known for the act of violence to sort of impact whatever the policy is they were looking for. So far, we've seen no claim of responsibility. And we haven't seen any evidence to date at this point that the guy was either affiliated with a state sponsor of terrorism or a group at this point. So it could be a lone wolf factor. A lot more questions that we have answers to right now. He is 100% right in everything that he just said there. And I want to emphasize the statements you just heard, because terrorism is something very specific.

It is possible that the co-pilot who carried out the stabbing was a lone actor. Maybe he has mental health issues. Maybe he's going through something in his life. We don't know. And he's also right about the fact that at this current moment, as I filmed this, there are far more questions than answers about what happened. So as tempting as it might be to fall into a camp of this was definitely a terrorist, jihadi hijacking situation or you want to deny that that's even possible. Just wait and see how

this story develops, right? Because really, there are some really big questions about what happened here. So Tabook Airport, where the plane made this emergency landing, said in a statement that the captain, the captain remember is the one who was allegedly stabbed. And the co-pilot, who had also sustained some injuries were sent to a hospital for medical treatment. So so far, based on what we're learning, no one has been killed, but the pilot and co-pilot seemed to be injured. Now, especially the captain, considering the fact that he was allegedly stabbed. Now, Eyaldatz, who was one of the passengers on the flight, told the Washington Post, quote, some guys who had been sitting in the front rows realize what was going on

that the pilot did the stabbing. So here's what he says. He says that at that point, the crew opened the cockpit door and three Israeli passengers helped overpower the assailant and they handcuffed him. Okay, there's also reports that at that point, there were like just some extra pilots on the flight, you know, so they took control of the plane and safely landed it. Interesting. Other reports claim, though, that it wasn't the crew that got into the plane. the cockpit, that it was actually other passengers, which is strange and seems unlikely,

because after 9-11, the way that these flights operate is they make it very, very difficult, impossible to get into the cockpit unless you have the capability to do so because you're part of the crew. So I need some clarification as to whether it was passengers or the actual crew that got into the cockpit. Okay. Now, putting that aside for now, then you have according to Dats, the individual that I read a quote from earlier, and another person who was in the cabin, they took control of the plane. So Dats and another person who was in the cabin, they take control of the plane. But there are, again, like some significant questions that need to be answered.

So let's dive into that right now. So the suspect or co-pilot, the one who did the stabbing, is an Omani National. That has been reported. Only pilots from countries that maintain diplomatic ties or relations with Israel are allowed to land there. And guess what? Oman does not have diplomatic ties or a diplomatic relationship with Israel at the moment. And so why was he one of the pilots on this flight? That seems weird to me. How did he get a knife onto the flight?

That's also strange, very, very strange. How did the Omani National, who's not even supposed to be on that flight, able to get on that flight as a co-pilot with a knife, with a knife? Okay, that's, again, very strange. We haven't heard from the captain at this moment. We don't know anything that the captain is saying or thinking. We also haven't heard a single statement from the co-pilot.

So immediately jumping to the conclusion that the co-pilot is a jihadi, doesn't make sense to me. Citation, please. Let's try to figure out what the actual motivation is here. We don't know the motivation yet. And if there was a terror attack meant to victimize Israel, well, why would the co-pilot do what he did two hours and 20 minutes into the flight when it takes three hours and 30 minutes to travel from Dubai to. to Israel. You get what I'm saying? I just think it's a little early to carry out a hijacking terrorist attack that's meant

to victimize Israel. So those are the things that just on the surface I've noticed so far, there could be more. Like I said, this story is developing. But I gotta say, man, the other thing that was seared in my mind as this story broke was Weird, just yesterday, Netanyahu was saying that the Iranians are going to carry out some sort of attack against Israel ahead of the Israeli elections. And everyone was saying, uh-oh, here comes the false flag. Now, look, I'm not saying that this is a false flag.

I don't know yet. I don't know yet. I think it's fishy. I want to know why the Omani National was the co-pilot on a flight that he wasn't supposed to be on, given the rules over it. Israel, I'd like to hear what the actual motivations are, maybe a little bit of digging into that before we jump to conclusions. But let me also be clear, the Israelis are already, of course, treating this as a terror attack

meant to victimize them. Let's go to this graphic where you hear from Israel's defense minister, Israel Katz. He says the fly Dubai incident was an attempted terror attack, was it? Maybe. But based on what? Like are we just going to say it was a terror attack? And that's it? Like no evidence?

They don't need any evidence. Because here's the thing that Israeli government's really good at doing. Playing victim in order to exploit situations like this to carry out atrocities in multiple countries simultaneously. That's what they've been doing since October 7th. In a statement on a video that I'm sure many of you might have come across, Prime Minister Netanyahu said that it was a hijacking attempt. It could have been a suicidal pilot.

I don't know. He doesn't know. No one knows at this point. And yesterday Netanyahu also claimed, and I quote, we have signs that ahead of the election our enemies will try to attack us. So from here, from an Air Force base, from the long arm of the state of Israel, I'm sending you a message. Don't mess with us. Our long arm will reach you. Some of my favorite designs on ShopTYTYT are Get Caught Trying and Team Joy. And let me tell you,

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as soon as something like this happens, it was definitely a terror attack. I don't, I don't know. I do find this story fishy though. Super fishy, lots of unanswered questions. And then finally, Shail Ben Ephraim, who we've interviewed on the show before, he's an anti-Zionist Israeli who lives here in the United States. Yesterday, he actually found Netanyahu's comments super suspicious, and I want to share that with you. He says, Netanyahu is, clearly planning a military distraction to help influence or cancel the elections, using the Air Force as a prop for his scheme. Now, he posted that, I want to be clear. He posted that before the fly Dubai flight incident took place. So this was immediately after Netanyahu made his

statement about how he's predicting the Iranians are going to attack ahead of the elections. And by the way, one other thing I should note, the Israelis are trying to put. this narrative that the Iranians were behind this. With what evidence? Why? Why would you think that? I'm willing to believe it. Just tell me why.

So I find it so gross and distasteful when things like this happen and these, these goons, right? Like these reprehensible individuals just immediately exploit it, push a narrative that hasn't been proven yet in order to justify what? More war with Iran, of course. No indication that Iran was behind this. At least not yet. There could be. But they don't even wait, man. They don't even wait. And that also makes the story suspicious. So even if there was no funny business going on with the Israelis here, they always make things seem even more suspicious than they need to seem because they can't help themselves but to exploit situations like this for their own purposes, their own political purposes. So I'm not going to make strong statements about this one way or the other until those questions that I listed get answered. And we have a better sense of what's going on. Because one thing I know without a shadow of a doubt is the Israelis love to play victim in order to provide cover for their atrocities,

to provide an excuse for all the civilians they kill and all the land they steal. At the same time, it could be very possible that this was in fact a hijacking and attempted terror plot. that luckily did not come to fruition. And when we get confirmation one way or the other, I'll come back on the show and I'll share my thoughts on it. But for now, I don't trust the Israelis at all. And we should wait to see what the investigation shows. Here's the other question. Who's going to investigate this? Is it going to be Saudi Arabia? Is it going to be the UAE? I don't know. Right now, it seems like our media is more interested in hearing what the Israeli officials have to say about this.

Who cares what the Israeli officials have to say? Can we get an investigation? Or actually, can we get journalists to do their jobs and answer, try to answer some of the questions that I just listed out? Immediately going to Netanyahu or going to politicians in Israel to get their comments. And then when they report it as if their comments, their speculation is like written in stone, it's fact, that's a problem. That's another thing that seems super suspicious. So let's wait and see what happens. Let's wait and see what happens. And one final thing I'll say about this is the cycle of violence in the Middle East hasn't worked out so well for the Israelis.

So let me tell you something, you slaughter entire bloodlines, you steal land, you encroach on territories that do not belong to you, there's going to be resistance, there's going to be backlash, there's going to be blowback, blowback that the Iron Dome can't save you from. So maybe, I don't know, try something different from what's been going on for the last several decades now because the violence leads to more violence. It is a vicious cycle that never ends. And I'm sick of it. I think everyone's sick of it. Tremendous Israel fatigue. There's no question about that. But if you're wondering why the world hates you, and if you're wondering why you keep getting attacked, maybe look inward. Maybe look at your own behavior. Anyway, we got to take a break.

When we come back, we'll talk about other news, including, well, how Americans are feeling about a whole host of political issues. You would think that they're super divided. Turns out, no, not so much. We'll be right back. All right. Let's read some more comments from our members. Let's go to the guy who sent the message about the, okay, so this is Emerald's Dad. Thank you, TYT, for creating this memory for my family.

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on Pierce Morgan. You totally kick butt on Dershowitz and Hammer. And always, money in politics is a heart attack. Yes. So I was on Pierce Morgan. I just want to say, I've, filmed an episode of Pierce Morgan show on Monday. It was released today, which was kind of unfortunate given the news about the fly Dubai story. So obviously we didn't touch on that because it hadn't happened yet. I just wanted to give you guys that inside baseball. If you're wondering why we were talking about Israel attempting to start a war with Qatar instead of the fly Dubai thing. By the way, other other news that just developed, Paramount is cleared to close 111 billion dollar Warner Brothers mega merger. So there was some resistance to it in the courts, and it looks like that resistance

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In fact, our political elite seems to really capitalize. on dividing American voters. But if you dig a little deeper, it turns out that most Americans agree on a lot of issues, important issues, in fact. And it looks like the country is growing more and more populist. The populist consensus was especially evident in the latest Wall Street Journal polling. So before we get to the results of that poll, let me just back up and kind of explain the environment that we're in.

because I think that our economic environment informs why the poll results came out the way that they did. So wealth inequality in the United States, I can't believe I'm saying this. This is something we were complaining about under Obama, and it's only gotten worse. So wealth inequality in the U.S. just continues to soar historical levels. We had a case-shaped economy after the 2008 financial collapse. We had a further case-shaped recovery after the coronavirus pandemic. came to an end. So prices for consumer goods continue to rise under the Trump administration, even though Trump ran a campaign focused on solving the affordability issue. And it's no wonder

that Americans broadly support economic policies aimed at lowering costs, narrowing the wealth gap, and also curbing corporate power and corporate greed. So first, just a quick snapshot of the pretty dire inequality that exists right now as we speak. That's only set to get worse if we keep going in the direction that we're going in. So 63% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. 90% of them have less than $500 left over each month after expenses, after they pay their bills, which is terrifying. Okay, absolutely terrifying. That's all you have left over because let's say you don't have the best health care coverage and you need surgery. If you haven't been dutifully scrolling away that extra $500 a month for a long time,

you're probably going to be screwed. And guess what? Like, we're human. And so you need to have a little bit of enjoyment in your life. Okay, so the idea that like literally every dollar you make goes to bills and to like, oh my God, I'm panicked because I might have a health emergency or an accident. So I got to put the remaining $500 away. I never spend the money on enjoying time with my family, for instance.

Like, that's no way to live. That's no way to live. Okay? So the top 0.1% hold about 15% of the total wealth in the United States. How was that allowed? The bottom 50% of U.S. households have an average of $63,000 or 2.3% of the nation's total wealth. So take a look at this chart from the Wall Street Journal and you kind of get a sense of how bad things are. So this is the share of total U.S. household wealth held by the richest 0.1%.

And as you can see, that percentage has been rising constantly. So it's no surprise that the affordability issue is still the number one issue among American voters. Now, we're not focusing much on affordability these days. In fact, we're focused on wars that we are fighting and we are paying for on behalf of Israel, a foreign country. The affordability crisis has only gotten worse as a result of the energy crisis spurred by this stupid war against Iran. And by the way, the energy crisis goes beyond transiting through the Strait of Hormuz or the Babal-Mendep Strait. The refining capacity is an issue.

when refineries have been destroyed as a result of these wars, and that's not just the Iran war, obviously there's also the issue of the Ukraine war where Russia's refining capacity has been cut in half, I believe. Devastating for the global economy, especially as it pertains to diesel, which we're experiencing a very significant shortage of. So of course, diesel costs way more than it should, and we are now seeing shortages in places like Texas. So it's just, it's been devastating. An August CBS News poll found that 60% of Americans think that the economy is unfair. I can't believe it's only 60%.

And a 26th economist, You gov poll found that 66% of Republicans said that the gap between the rich and the poor is a big problem. 66% of Republicans said that. Obviously I'm talking about the voters, not the politicians. the politicians couldn't care less. Now, let's get to that survey. I just need to give you guys a little bit of context. It's important to know what's going on. So the new survey from the Wall Street Journal really does confirm

that this growing inequality has pushed more and more Americans in the direction of populism. So here's one of the pollsters on the results. Quote, we love to think about the world as conservative and liberal. Maybe we should start thinking about the world as populism, is a dominant ideology in both Democratic and Republican parties. I do actually like thinking about the world in my country that way, because I don't think either political party really serves their base of voters at all.

So I think if more Americans woke up from this conditioning, right, like this MPC left versus right type framing of everything, then they'll truly be awake to how unified Americans are on a lot of the issues that matter the most. And by the way, some of these issues, I'm actually surprised at the results. So the survey found that majority bipartisan support exists for the following policies. Bear with me. And by the way, Wall Street Journal conducted this. 59% support Medicare for all.

That's way higher than I thought it was going to be. 59%. Okay, but the results get even better. So 88% of Americans want to require health insurance companies to cover services and medicines prescribed by doctors. So no more rejecting claims. Which by the way, obviously, like we really didn't need the Wall Street Journal poll to tell us that most Americans believe this. But again, if you just watch cable news, you'd be under the impression that like Americans are at each other's throats. And by the way, when it comes to culture war issues, which are intended to be very evocative, very emotional, yeah, that's where we are at each other's throats, which is why our politicians love to focus on those issues. They love it. They absolutely love it. It's a great way of distracting us from the fact that they're picking our pockets and giving us nothing in return. So there's even more. So when it comes to creating a pathway to citizenship for long-term,

migrants, there is widespread support for that, which that makes sense. That also makes sense. So one of the biggest complaints you'll hear from Republicans when it comes to undocumented immigrants in the country is, well, I don't want to compete with these people when it comes to wages, because if they're not documented, well, employers can pay them way less and they have no legal recourse. So Americans get screwed. And I think that is a legitimate concern. There's some Democrats who also believe this. I believe it myself. I do want a pathway to citizenship. I think if you're in the country, you should be here legally. If you've been in the country already and you've been contributing to it for a long time, I think that you should have a pathway to citizenship. And I do believe that we should

protect our borders and enforce immigration laws. But I say that as a Democrat or someone who was a Democrat, I'm a registered independent now. I'm sure that conservatives would be shocked at me saying these things because based on the media, everyone on the left wants open borders, but that's just not true. At the same time, there are many Republicans who do want a pathway to citizenship for people who are in the country right now, and I love to see that. Now, there's more. So 87% say they want to cap the price of prescription drugs. I don't know if I would, you'd have to make an argument, and I'd have to reflect on that argument and decide what I think about it in regard to caps, price caps on prescription drugs. From my experience in my research, price controls tend to

backfire. I think that we should be allowed to negotiate drug prices. I don't think that we should be gouged for the very drugs that our taxpayer money funded the research and development of. So that's where I land on that issue. 90% want laws to ban surprise medical bills. Can't believe it's Not 100%, but hey, 90% I'll take it. 57% want a minimum wage increase to $20 an hour. 73% told the pollsters over at the Wall Street Journal that they want a, they want to raise taxes for people who make a million dollars or more. 74% say that they want a cap on child care costs.

65% want to limit rent increases to 5% above inflation rate. And then finally, you have 50. So most Americans, 65% do want rent control and 59% want to tax luxury properties. So the populism is pretty clear. And I think the reason why it's now something that seems appealing to Republican voters is because, look, this rigged economy harms everyone. Doesn't discriminate based on your party affiliation. And when you think about what our farmers have been going through, I mean,

these people are typically not Democratic voters. are typically Republicans. The number of suicides among farmers, the number of bankruptcies among our farmers, they're being absolutely devastated. They had been devastated before. Now with Trump's tariffs and the war against Iran, they're in really, really bad shape. And these are the people who provide us the food that we need to survive. Okay, these are, and I'm not talking about big ag, I'm talking about ordinary, like small farmers who work really hard and are, in my opinion, totally taken for granted by our government. So Evan Roth Smith, a Democratic pollster, said this to the Wall Street Journal.

Voters have no interest in entertaining the point of view of traditional political economics because it has failed them entirely. I think that's pretty obvious. And the puzzling thing is why neither party has figured out how to address these concerns given that there's such widespread support. That was a statement from a senior fellow over at New America. Well, Lee, Trutman, I'll answer that question. They don't care about us. The government hates us. So they're not looking for solutions because they don't think they need to look for solutions. They're doing well. They're trading stocks based on insider information and

closed door briefings. They're getting richer while working as public servants. And we, we the American people get poorer. As that very government, by the way, picks our pockets to fund a war on behalf of Israel. That's the reality of the situation. And you should maybe take it up with the Wall Street Journal editorial board that salivates over any opportunity to do anything and everything that Israel wants, including endless wars in the Middle East. Anyway, that's my take on that. When we come back, we're going to have a discussion on artificial intelligence with an author of and a book that just came out on that very topic, stick around. We've had that and more.

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I'm wearing one of our pieces of merchandise. So the funny thing about the Dragon Squad, and that's what our viewers call themselves. That's the name of the group, but every individual chooses their own name. You might have Cincinnati Dragon. You might have Harry Potter Dragon. We have a Grandma Sunshine Dragon is one of those that I remember. These are people that like to have an element of themselves, their lives what's significant to them reflected as a part of the community. But the concept of the Dragon Squad is just something I threw away as a joke. I was mocking the proud boys, these right wing groups that come up with a name for themselves that they think is cool, but it's actually really lame. And I thought, you know, off the top of

my head, I can come up with something that's still kind of lame, but much cooler. And so I threw out Dragon Squad and I just moved on with my life, but everybody liked it. And so they kept it going and so we've embraced it. And I think again, it was this was during the period of the pandemic. I think it was it was sort of nice to have a renewed sense of community, a feeling that you're a part of something when everything seems so chaotic. And as a result of that, we've got independent artists online streaming, making beautiful digital art of dragons. We've got, you know, we've released a number of pieces of merchandise that people love sending us photos of them. And then by the way, for me personally, people send me, like you can probably see in the background like a knitted dragon, someone sent me. There's a dragon book they sent me.

Dragon board games they send me. People have done like custom ironworks making dragon bottle openers. Like the fans are super invested in diamond art and things like that. And so it's great that they send this stuff. Sometime we're going to have to set up a wall of all of it. But yeah, it's definitely brought the community a lot closer together. The fact that we were no longer in this big studio, I felt a lot more personally attached to people. It felt very immediate.

and I know that I personally needed the connection. Welcome back to TYT, everyone. I'm your host to Anna Kasparian. One of the things that obviously is taking up a lot of attention here in the United States and across the globe is the development of artificial intelligence. And for those who are not privy to these technological advancements, it's hard to know who to believe. On one hand, you have individuals who really question the impact of AI or what it is able to

do. They think there's a lot of hyperbole about its capabilities. At the same time, you also have individuals who engage at all sorts of hyperbolic rhetoric about how it's going to destroy the planet, it's going to destroy jobs, it's going to hack into your email account when you're sleeping at night. But what is the truth? And we had a conversation about this previously on the show. I thought the guest was fantastic. And luckily, we have another fantastic guest today. joining us to answer some of these questions is independent journalist Garrison Lovely, who also happened to just publish a book titled Obsolete, the AI Industries Trillion Dollar Race to replace us and how to stop it. Garrison, lovely to have you here. And I love the very last

part of your subtitle, which is, and how to stop it? Because at the moment, it really feels like if you've really bought into how damaging and dangerous this all is, there's nothing you can do about it. At least that's what I've been feeling. So we'll get to what we can do about it in just a minute. But first, let's answer some questions. Namely, how dangerous is AI? Like, you know, when you hear these executives like Amadee and Sam Altman and Elon Musk suddenly raising alarm over what AI can do. All of a sudden, I'm like, wait a minute, maybe AI isn't as dangerous as they claim it is. Maybe this has to do with the AI bubble and the fact that these companies are all over leveraged. I don't know what to believe. Then you have individuals who are like,

no, no, no. I mean, these AI models are already going rogue. They're hacking into other AIs. They're hacking into private accounts. So what is the truth? What's going on here? Yeah, I think AIs are currently dangerous if they're used in the wrong ways. Like there was this AI model that hallucinated bad intel to some intelligence analysts and this like almost led to the U.S. Like attacking a Chinese ship. So like that's pretty dangerous, right? And then AI earlier this year became superhuman at hacking at discovering and exploiting novel vulnerabilities in software. And that's a pretty big deal.

Mythos from Anthropic was able to find vulnerabilities in basically every software in the world. And this included like the NSA and open source software that had been picked over by humans for decades. And so if somebody used that to hack into critical infrastructure, government assets, like whatever, that's pretty dangerous. And then what Dario, Amadeh and Sam Altman and the folks who are really worried about this technology are claiming to be, they're really mostly thinking about future systems that are just a lot more capable than the ones we have now. Like AI now is superhuman at hacking and at, you know, writing code really fast and just doing a lot of other things very quickly and increasingly well. But they're trying to make AI systems that are superhuman at everything that we do. And, you know, why don't they just not do that?

That's my position. Yeah, yeah. I think it's crazy. I think like they should absolutely not be doing that. And it's kind of wild that that's not like the default position. And I think it would be if people were more aware of what's going on. And we're seeing people wake up to this more and more. But like it's actually like, you know, the people that started these companies by and large really believe in the potential of this technology to transform the world and potentially end it as well. And, you know, other people when they believe that, they're like, whoa, we should just not build it. And then they just like went about their like. lives, but these guys were like, I should build it. You know, I alone can be trusted to do this.

And that's like not the person you want building it. Absolutely not. But okay, absolutely not. And while I roll my eyes at this argument every single time to the point where at some point my eyes are going to be stuck in the back of my head, the argument that we must do this, because if we don't, China will beat us at AI. Is there any validity to that argument? Yeah, I mean, so China right now, like, I mean, Chinese companies are building, you know, quite capable and general AI models. And they, you know, some of these companies say they're trying to build artificial general intelligence, which is what the U.S. companies are trying to build, which is like I think of as a universal labor replacing machine. But I think, you know, what the industry wants to do the most is build recursively self-improving AI systems. It's a fancy word for like AI that builds better AI.

And if you can actually do that, you could have this really fast feedback loop where you go with like, you know, a system that's not as capable as people. And then it comes out like superhuman across the board in maybe months or weeks. And the intuition is like, you know, what if you went from a few hundred people working as researchers and engineers on this to like millions of people working in swarms, which is now a thing that exists, these agent swarms that can. solve open math problems in like 88 hours and, you know, just work really, really quickly and collaborate very effectively. That is basically losing control on purpose, right? You have to let the AI make all these decisions and do all this work without human intervention. And like, can you think of an organization on the planet less likely to let that happen than the CCP? This is an organization that really cares about control.

Right. That's actually a really good point. I didn't think about that. And what, you're describing here, is that what's referred to as reinforcement learning in AI? That's a part of it. But like the recursive self-improvement idea is like if you could make an AI system that was better or as good as people at building AI systems, then you could just like let it rip and it could maybe get all the way to general intelligence and superintelligence. Who asked for this? Like I didn't ask for this. No, nobody really did. So the like are the developers of these AI models wanting to also make their jobs like totally irrelevant and obsolete. Like I just, what is the point of that? Like, why would we want that? You get like, I want to

at least straw man the argument from those in favor of developing this. Yeah, I mean, no, it is a weird thing that like these people going to work every day trying to replace themselves on the path of replacing everybody. It's pretty, pretty wild. And the motivations vary. Some people like, they really want like the techno utopia. They want radical abundance and the fully automated luxury communism. And they believe in the upside. Some people are really afraid of the downside and think that, you know, if they're working on it, they can make it go better or less badly. Other people just want to get rich. And like, if you work at one of these companies, you just won't have to work again. If you're one of these engineers or researchers, like you have people who are in their

early 20s, we're like billionaires now. It's like at least on paper. And then after these IPOs, if they happen, we'll actually be billionaires. And that's just crazy. Let's talk about the human experience because I complain about work. I do. And it drives my husband crazy because he's like, I, you love you, you're obsessed with your job. What are you talking about? And it's true. It's true. I complain because I am obsessed with it. And I'm constantly working at it. I'm listening to podcasts, reading books. Like, you know, there's no off time for me because I'm just so obsessed with the subject matter that I talk about on the show. And it makes me realize, like every time I go on vacation, for instance, there comes a point in the middle of that vacation,

that time away from work where I start wanting to go back to work. And it's because I get fulfillment from what I do. I might complain about it here and there, but at the end of the day, I deeply love what I do and I feel a sense of purpose, right? And so I wonder sometimes whether what's being pursued here, like this idea of like, you'll never have to work again. Like, yes, in theory, people would love that, but in reality, would they love that? I know a lot of people do jobs that they loathe, they hate, and I want to change that. I want everyone to feel fulfilled in what they're doing, and we should try to find solutions

for that. I actually don't think most human beings would be happy if they don't have a sense of purpose. They don't do any work at all. What are your thoughts? I mean, I definitely encounter people occasionally who are like, yeah, I don't want to have a job. Like, I'd love to just be able to do what I want. And I get that too. I mean, like, I love what I do. You know, I would miss most of what I do if it went away. But most people aren't that lucky. And like, you know, I think we should try and create, you know, social structures where people could have more fulfilling work and have more protections at work and, you know, health care without a job and like the right to organize

a union and all that stuff. And I think that's like how we actually get, you know, better jobs. But for the people who just like, yeah, they just want to be retired and like have an eternal kind of like undergrad experience or something, we're just not going to get that, you know, it's going to be. No. Like we're on path to like dystopia or doom. And it really hinges on whether the machines that will replace us will do what we tell them to do. And we're not even going to be the we. It's going to be the people that own the machines that are calling the shots here.

And the people in power aren't going to use the machines to like make the world amazing. They're going to use them to do what they already want to do, which is often terrible. My mind wanders back to the 2020 presidential election where Andrew Yang really put the issue of automation front and center in his campaign. And, you know, the country for the first time seemed to be engaging in that debate, in that conversation, and the topic of, okay, well, what happens if everything is fully automated and human labor is no longer necessary? And of course, that's when the topic of UBI comes up. But, you know, the other thing, Aside from fulfillment, we are very atomized, I think intentionally so.

It's way harder to organize when human beings are atomized, when they're not really connected with one another. They're not doing things with one another. They're not communicating. AI could potentially further disconnect human beings from one another, further exacerbate the loneliness crisis because a lot of people make friends, build relationships with their colleagues, for instance, right? Or they get some human interaction through the collaborative work that they do at the workplace. And so I worry about that as well. And so the other thing is,

I don't think just sitting at home, having no relationships, having no colleagues, having no job, no fulfillment, you're just collecting a check the government gives you in the form of UBI. I don't think that's going to bode well for most human beings either, right? And it's not because I'm necessarily against universal basic income. I am against it if that's supposed to replace our social safety net, which is what Andrew Yang was kind of pushing for. But what do you make of all of that? Because I think that when we're talking about AI, we talk about the positive impacts of it

without really asking ourselves, is this going to be a positive impact? To get rid of all forms of human work and replace it with AI models, make it automate it, where our existence is totally irrelevant to employers. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think by default, you'd expect a massive devaluing of human labor, and it's the fulfillment of this long-term capitalist dream of turning capital into labor without the intermediary of workers. And so there's no risk of unionizing or reporting you to HR for harassing you

or whatever the thing is. And, yeah, I think that the vision being sold by these. companies is like an easy life, like a life free of friction. And you know, friction can be terrible. But like like if you're trying to, you know, get some form filled out for the government and the site is terrible, like right, like having an AI do that for you and it actually works great, awesome. But friction is also what makes life interesting. And it's like the stuff of like friendships and romantic relationships and like forming opinions and, you know, just if we're in this world where we all have these AI agents,

doing stuff for us interacting with other AI agents. And we just like have fewer and fewer real interactions with other humans. Like we will just become more atomized as you're saying. And that's to say nothing of like the risks of, you know, instability and like unexpected bad outcomes of having all those AI agents doing stuff in the world on your behalf or moonlighting, you know, for some hackers who got control of them or moonlighting for their own interests. Like we've heard reports of AI's trying to.

like get access to a crypto exchange like autonomously and you know make money and it's like that's kind of a weird thing you know for your AI to be doing without your permission or and like are they going to use the money for something else like we're seeing them you know taking these actions in the world and like the hugging face hack happened autonomously the AI is like decided to break into hugging face and people will push back on me for that language but you know look at the actual transcripts and the report of what happened here and tell me that like they were not making a deliberate choice to hack into that company so they could learn more about the way they were being evaluated. And this is a thing that people predicted. And the people who have been predicting that kind of stuff

have been the best at forecasting AI in general. And those people think that we are on track to having a pretty crazy sci-fi future where potentially we're all dead or living in some kind of like dystopia. And so I think it's important that we take that seriously while also acknowledging that the world we're building right now with this technology is one with a lot of negative things and things that we did not anticipate. And so I think if we stopped right now, we'd still have a lot of problems to solve. And I think if we did stop, we would take that big distraction of like the looming dystopia or doom and get it off the table so we could figure out how to manage this technology that we have today. I like that option. I don't know if that's a

a legitimate option. It seems like our lawmakers have absolutely no interest in slowing things down or, you know, doing their jobs, which is to regulate industry. Like they have no interest in that. And Trump is made clear. We gave up on that in the 70s. We sure did and we're paying for it. But let's let's try to end on some potential solutions. So you say, look, there are already problems without the dystopia that we're expecting in the future. Let's how about not continue developing toward dystopia or devolving toward dystopia and focus on, you know, the issues with AI right now. Because look, I agree there are certain tasks that, like, it could make your life a lot easier in simplifying certain tasks that are mundane and time consuming, that kind of stuff, right?

Let's say you have a massive data set. You need to organize it. AI can help you do that. So in that regard, I see the benefit. So I don't want to like ban AI. But I do think we need safeguards. What are your solutions for those who don't want to feel helpless and hopeless? Yeah, yeah. I think the main thing that's been missing is just like a clear rallying cry that we can use to organize around. I think a lot of people who have been worried about AI the longest have been focused on like these policy mechanisms and they'll give you like a laundry list of ideas of

ways to make the technology be safer and better regulated. And those ideas aren't bad. It's just like to a room full of people, they're like, so what do I do? And my position is like, stop the race to replace us, ban frontier AI development and only resume if there's strong public buy-in and a scientific consensus that the work can be done safely. And I think this is a common sense ideal because it's not just about risk, it's about like what people actually want. And if you add democracy to your conditions for resuming the work, that forces the proponents

to come up with answers for all these questions that we've been raising of like, What happens when we don't have jobs anymore? What happens? Like, how do we avoid power and wealth concentrating in the hands of whoever controls these machines? How do we avoid a dystopian surveillance state? How do we avoid extinction? And if they can't answer those questions, then they don't get to build it. It's like that simple.

And so that might sound pie in the sky, but there's been so much movement in just the last few weeks towards something like this. And the politics are shifting very quickly. And that's before we've even seen widespread job loss from, from from AI and you know that's going to happen too if the industry is successful in what it's trying to build and so yeah my position is like if you give politicians enough of a what and a why they'll start to figure out the how and the mechanisms here but a few ideas are like no more training runs of big models and this is like the way you know progress has been happening in large part is

they train bigger and bigger models and then no more reinforcement learning from verifiable rewards which is like the thing that they were doing when the open AI agents hacked their way out of the company and hacked into hugging face and have also been hacking into all these other places. And it makes the models more capable, but it also makes them like learn to overcome obstacles and to hack and to cheat and to deceive and basically do whatever it takes and to seek power and to preserve themselves and like all these scary things. And we need to make this bilateral with China. And my position is basically like the US and China both will want to have, some kind of rules around AI that are binding and verifiable because neither country wants to have

rogue actors getting access to superhuman hacking or bio weapons capabilities. And so the question is just like what will those rules actually do and how will they be verified? And once you're in that conversation, it's just like regulation all over again. And I think that you need verification because neither party can really trust the other and you're counting on trust like you've already lost. 100%. I think there are like technical and institutional arrangements that can happen here. And you could also just like embed auditors in the companies and be like, hey, this stuff

is illegal now. And if people try to do it, they can go to prison because it'd be like trying to build a nuke, which is like the Bernie Sanders, Greg Gassar Bill, lays this out. And I think it's just like way easier policy wise than people think to actually do this. It's very hard to build a frontier AI model. There are three companies that have ever done it. And it costs tens or hundreds of billions of dollars to do that now. And everybody knows who these companies are. And if the US government told them to stop, they would stop.

And the Chinese government, if they told their companies stop, they would stop. And so it's like actually not as hard of a coordination problem as people make it out to be. And once you have China and the US on board, making it a global ban on frontier development, is actually, you know, goes from like a pipe dream to a matter of time. You know, and I hope you don't take this personally. I'm always shocked at the fact that like, like you should not be smarter than the president of the United States. But you are, you are. So I hope people as, you know, savvy as you and aware as you, you know, vote, not vote, not just vote, but also run to have some political power in this country.

because these geriatric politicians do not care about us. And then on top of that, I don't think they fully understand what we're getting ourselves into here. And I'm sorry, if the United States is perfectly comfortable funding biolabs in China, I think we can make a deal with them when it comes to AI personally. Anyway, Garrison, you are spectacular. Thank you so much for taking the time. And I hope you'll come back again. I could have an hour-long conversation with you on this, but we're out of time.

Everyone, please check out Garrison's book. His name's Garrison Lovely. The book is obsolete. The AI industry's trillion dollar raise to replace us and how to stop it. Thank you again, Garrison. Thank you. If you go to obsoletebook.org, you can find all the ways to buy it. And this is super fun.

Happy to come back anytime. Thank you. All right. Have a great night. We'll see you soon. Thank you. All right, everybody. We're going to take a quick break when we come back.

We've got a lot more to get to, including a story. I promised you last week. We talked about the sports betting. This week we're going to talk about the prediction market, and you don't want to miss that. We'll be right back. The number was this high, but according to Fendi Senior, 125 countries have issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu. I got to see that man in handcuffs at some point. And also, welcome to Cape Diva in our member section who says, thank you, TYT for opening my

eyes since I found your channel to Israel and where our tax dollars are going. I'm happy to scream from the rooftops about where our tax money is going because it's just it's totally unacceptable that we're crippled by over $40 trillion in federal debt. And we are still sending billions of dollars, like not just to Israel. It was just announced, I believe, yesterday Fox News announced it, that Trump has committed another $400 million to Ukraine. To be fair, it was money that was already previously allocated by Congress. but for whatever reason he was holding on to it,

he's going to release that money to them. I just don't, like, we're going into debt for this. How does it make sense? It doesn't make sense. Got to read, Bart, DJ Bart Kyle with the ones and twos. Okay, with the house music. Thank you. I love it.

Can't get enough. Can't get enough. I love it when you play the dance music. Okay, lots of comments that I do not want to miss. So just give me a few minutes to read and respond to some of these statements. So we've got Mystic Man 555.5. who says, Anna, what do you think of crypto-Palestinian activists like Dr. Rame Al-Dwan in the UK who pretended to be anti-Zionist while supporting? I don't know enough about her to weigh in on that.

So I don't want to smear anyone or risk smearing anyone. I'd have to look into it a lot more. I'm not familiar with what you're talking about. But I promise you, I will look into it. I do know that I disagree with her on what happened in Syria. Doesn't mean I dislike her. But I think she's wrong. I don't think Syria is better off today. Let's go to Viva Samud, Pact resistor, who says Trump going full Beijing dinner with all billionaires and Chinese leader. Hey, since our U.S. fascist government is breaking all laws and breaking the Constitution or violating the Constitution, why not form a bill to integrate Chinese technology with American technology?

Same country that Trump blamed for COVID pandemic. Yeah. Trump might have been right about that, but it's also kind of our fault because we were funding gain of function research at the Wuhan lab in China. And maybe we shouldn't have been doing that anyway. But point taken, point taken for sure. Let's go to Frisco who says, hey, if anyone needs a punk song, check out my band's song, Ice, ICE spells Nazi by, we're all wearing a wire, give you a boost. Right, everyone check that out. Let's go to Brandon Kaiser, who says, trucker here, been hearing strike talks. Have you heard anything? I actually have. Thank you for writing in. I haven't done a story on it yet, but, oh, there are definitely whispers of a trucker strike. And you know what? I support it.

Even though it's going to obviously hurt for consumers, who cares? I mean, you guys are being absolutely shafted. It's so disgusted. Anyway, the amount of money you guys have to spend on diesel if you get your hands on it is out of control. And it's, of course, because of the war and the refining capacity that's now been limited as a result of these wars. Let's go to Fawaz Amjad, who says, I didn't realize GOP had to introduce Bill to open investigation of Americans killed in the West Bank from the violence and then rejected it. I mean, more reason for international organization to sanction our government and also revealing they will cover up.

Our politicians just don't give a damn about us at all. I mean, I can't believe they had the kohones to vote against that amendment. They're showing us their whole ass, okay? It's disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. Viva Samud, PAC, Resister says Trump going full Beijing. Oh, I already read that. I apologize.

guys. Anthony says, Anna, it's possible the co-pilot was or has dual citizenship. Possible. That hasn't been confirmed. So again, going back to the questions, I need answers and I'm not going to start claiming that this was 100% a hijacking terrorist attack meant to harm Israel when we don't know the answers to these questions. But yeah, could be. Let's wait and see. Bach says they are claiming danger to make regulations that pull the ladder up behind the companies that invest in it, they are making a bottleneck. I can't unsee it. So Box is talking about AI and why these AI executives were like raising alarm about how dangerous this all is. I think you're probably right. So here's one thing I know for sure. I don't trust the executives. But I also want to make sure

that we're clear-eyed about what this technology is and what it's capable of. Okay, let's get to our next story. Let's talk about the prediction market. Believe it or not, and I'm sure most if you can believe it because we're living in strange times, there's a more insidious form of online gambling than the addiction triggering sports betting apps that have become very, very popular. It has increased the number of people who have gone into bankruptcy because of their gambling addictions. It makes gambling a lot easier. But what could possibly be more insidious than that? Well, it turns out there's something known as prediction markets. And what's even worse about prediction markets is that they're not regulated the same way the gambling apps are. And we already

know the gambling apps have some real problems. So imagine even less regulation. So let's talk about the difference between the gambling apps and the prediction markets, because prediction markets are considered different from gambling apps, even though the actions you take on the prediction market apps, it's gambling. That's what you're doing. You're engaging in gambling. In fact, prediction markets are user to user financial exchanges, that's how they're described, where participants buy and sell binary contracts tied to the outcomes of future events. So you can, let's say, bet on whether or not Republicans will maintain control of the House of Representatives after the midterms.

Like that's an example. You're making a prediction and you're making a bet based on your prediction. Whereas with gambling apps, the users place wagers against a centralized house that sets fixed odds. Okay. Now, I want you to see how dystopian this hall has gotten, especially when it comes to the advertisements we all have to sit through. Let's put up this video and I'll explain what you're looking at if you're viewing the show. So this is an example of a Kalshi ad, for instance. And there's like something kind of dystopian about how these ads are. And what's even more dystopian is how many more Americans,

month after month, turn to these prediction markets in order to make a buck. I had a conversation with one of my younger male colleagues. And he was talking about how a lot of young people in this country, especially young males, they don't see a path forward for themselves. They don't see opportunity for themselves. And when you think about the resources it takes just to go to work, like you have to pay money to go into the office and work, or to your place of work to earn a living.

With these apps, whether it's a sports betting app or an app related to the prediction markets, you just place bets and you could make money. But the problem is, well, a lot of people don't make money. Most people actually lose a lot of money. So look, the distinction is important because gambling apps are subject to state gambling laws. Those laws, in my opinion, don't go far enough in regulating. However, the prediction markets are even worse because they're not even subject to those regulations.

They're regulated as marketplaces by the Federal Commodity Futures Trading Commission. More on that in just a minute. But because of this distinction, CalShe and Polymarket, those are the two major prediction market apps. they're the two biggest at least, are able to operate in all 50 states. Sports betting apps are not. So sports betting apps are limited state by state, and they are also operational in about 50 to 30 states depending on the platform, and the states are free to essentially regulate them as they please.

But because of this loophole, apps like Fandul and Draft Kings have decided, you know what, maybe we create a prediction market on our platforms in order to operate in all 50 states. Now, let's talk about the explosion of the betting markets. And by the way, not the betting market, the prediction markets. So like when Polly Market came around, I don't gamble. I don't play around on these apps. I just, I'm not really interested. So I don't really know what it was. I thought it was just another gambling app. But it's not. It's part of the prediction market, predictive marketplaces. And the thing that people bet on the most, sports. So they're literally betting on sports with these prediction market apps.

So please tell me how this is different from the sports betting apps. It's really not. In practice, it's not. And if you look at this chart, okay, it details monthly trading volume on polymarket and Kalshi over the last two years. broken down by trade type. And you don't need to be an expert on any of this to see that it's increasing. It is rising exponentially. It's the case when it comes to placing sports bets. Bets on politics, we'll touch on that in just a minute, cryptocurrency, other issues. About 70%

of Kalshi's daily trading volume comes from sports betting. According to, to the prediction market operator. And so on prediction markets, 79% to 84% of all accounts lose. They realize net losses, which isn't good. Only 0.1% of accounts on polymarket take home, get a load of this, 67% of the profits.

And that's according to the Wall Street Journal. And look, I'm sure you guys have come across some of these stories where suddenly there's a big political decision made by the Trump administration, whether it has to do with the war against Iran or otherwise. It doesn't matter. And then you'll see some headlines about how one or two people made a killing on the prediction market, betting that Trump was going to do this. Gee, I wonder how. So I'm going to explain how in just a minute. Obviously, it's insider trading. But since CalChi's launch, ordinary users have actually lost quite a bit of money to the tune of half a billion dollars. So this is taking an

already devastating economic situation for most Americans and exacerbating them or exacerbating it if they've fallen into the trap of using these predictive market apps. Now, research reveals that retail users lose a higher percentage of their capital on prediction plus. a median return of negative 8%, then they do on traditional sports books, which is negative 5%, or slot machines, negative 6.55%. Although I got to say, I love me the penny slots if I ever go to Vegas. I'm not really a gambler, but I will f around with the penny slots. And I don't know how, but I get really lucky.

I win money on the penny slots almost every time. But don't, that's not me promoting it, okay? Don't do it. Don't do it. Now, this is only grown, like the predictive markets have only grown. Cali has traded over $239 billion this year alone, which is setting an all-time record, a single month high of $59.5 billion this September. And I'm sure NFL season had something to do with that. And these prediction markets also come with some new risks. So Kalshi, for instance, was sued following bets on whether the former now assassinated leader of Iran. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei would retain power. Users were also able to bet on whether nuclear weapons would be deployed during or by a certain date. And Kalshi luckily

eventually outlawed these types of bets. But other issues have to do with the lack of regulation for these prediction markets, right? So for instance, you only have to be 18 years old to use or be someone who trades on the prediction markets, whereas gambling apps require you to be older than 21, 21 and older. Teens are now four times more at risk of developing a gambling addiction. So we're not winning with this, and the prediction markets have already been caught facilitating insider trading.

So just to give you a few of the more notorious cases, famously, George Santos, or notoriously, he turned a 17,839 profit betting against his own attendance at President Trump's state of the internet address. So he knew he was going to go. And he decided to, or actually, I don't remember if you went or not. But my point is, he bet in the predictive market in a way that would earn him a lot of money illegally. So, Columbia law professor Joshua Mitz estimates that $143 million in insider trading is currently taking place on polymarket alone, or at least had over the last two years. So this is a big issue and there's no cop on the beat because of course there is.

Well, to be fair, on a federal level, no cop on the beat. And to be quite honest with you, there are federal agencies that are supposed to be dealing with this, supposed to be like raining it into some extent. predictive markets, for instance, have spent nearly 200 million on digital advertising through the first seven months of this year alone. So, like, maybe we don't have advertisements for this kind of stuff that could lure young people into using these apps or placing these bets. And then the final thing I'll just note is, while Trump has no interest in regulating this, while it's clear that these apps could, of course, be regulated by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. We've seen no interest, again, from these federal agencies or the federal government, but some states, luckily, are fighting back.

And so just yesterday, in response to a suit against Cal She and Ohio and Tennessee, a federal appeals court ruled that states can enforce their gambling laws against sports trading. And sports trading obviously is taking place in the predictive markets. Minnesota led the way earlier this year when it issued an outright ban on predictive markets. However, a federal judge has waited on this and temporarily blocked this ban as of now. And predictive markets are currently limited or halted in Massachusetts, Washington, Nevada, and Michigan, which is really like setting up what many predict will come down to a Supreme Court decision. That doesn't give me a lot of faith, but you never know. Sometimes the Supreme Court, as conservative as it is, as pro-business as it is, surprises you. So we're going to have to wait and see.

But if you happen to be a parent, maybe you have teenage kids, just be aware of what they're up to. And if you are an adult who has willingly participated in this, just know the odds, which aren't good for you. It is good for those who trade on insider information, though. Oh, one other thing. Don Jr. is on the board of, I think both of these companies, Cal Sheen Polymarket, just know what you're enabling. by participating here. And just be careful. Be an advocate for yourself because you can't really rely on our federal government to do that for you.

Anyway, let's move on to our final story. This is lighter just because I was kind of shocked at how, like, how catty the tone of this article was. I got to share it with you. So let's get into the details. Vanity Fair published a very lengthy profile on the widow of Charlie Kirk, Erica Kirk. And listen, at this point, she's a public figure. It's been over a year since Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

And I think it's fair to say, Erica Kirk is awkward. She's an awkward, strange person. And she makes people uncomfortable with her public appearances because she says and does things that are weird and not great. Okay, not conducive to building a fan base or people who see you in the same. light that they saw Charlie Kirk, right? And so, and I'm talking about conservatives, obviously like left-wing people were not fans of Charlie Kirk. But if you're comparing Charlie Kirk to his wife, I mean, night and day, they have different personalities, different ways of behaving

in public. Now, with all of that in mind, Vanity Fair just put out this lengthy profile. It was written by a reporter by the name of Clara Malott. And it was so unbelievably catty in certain portions, It's like the tone of this profile was catty. I want to give you a little taste, okay? So the reporter attended a Turning Point USA donor ball in Washington's Andrew Mellon Auditorium. And here's how Malotte writes about it. After the young widow stepped back behind the black curtains, the evening moved from celebration to wake. One by one, Kirk embraced each guest, clinging to them until tears left pale streaks through the orange,

Tinted foundation on her cheeks. Damn, Clara. And nobody want to hear that they've got orange tinted foundation on. Okay, like that's so already we're off to the races, but I'm thinking that was a little bit caddy, but maybe I'm reading too much into it. No, I wasn't. So the caddiness in tone doesn't stop there.

So Malotte writes that in a different life, back when her hair was more Victoria's secret then Little House on the Prairie, it's true. Erica, you've got to cut your hair. Like, it's beautiful for like a teenager. Like you're an adult woman with children. Like your hair is beautiful. I get it.

You're very proud of it. Like just a little bit. Okay. But anyway, that's just my personal preference. Take it or leave it. Anyway, so again, let me read it again. So more Victoria's secret than Little House on the Prairie, Kirk might have been a reality star.

So she did appear on some reality shows that for whatever reason we didn't really learn about because she didn't volunteer that information previously. But nonetheless, more on her past and a sec. But first, more commentary on her appearance, which I was like shocked was included in this reporting. So she says, she is an enigma right down to her clothes. The first time we met in the lobby of the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in Washington, the morning of the White House Correspondence dinner, I came dressed in my best Jackie O impression, conservative shift dress, ballet flats, and an overcoat. And then she talks about what Erica

Kirk was wearing. Kirk was dressed like a 2016 Kardashian wearing a black silk set and freedom cap, which she paired with glittery high top garden goose sneak, golden goose, sorry, golden goose sneakers. I don't even know what that is. And then she talks about an interaction that Erica had. I love your rings. One of Turning Points High School members would tell her weeks later. Thanks, she said, they're real like my hair. Is your hair not real? Like I didn't think your hair wasn't real, but now I'm wondering, maybe your hair isn't

real. Like why would you volunteer that unnecessary information? But okay, now clearly Erica Kirk is strange. I just find her strange, her behavior publicly. And she keeps emphasizing her religion. You'll see this in every interview she does, every public appearance she does. And I just feel that individuals who are sincere in their faith don't feel the need to constantly like take their religion and like suffocate you with it.

Like I get it. You are a religious person. You are part of the evangelical church. It's fine. I have no problem with it at all. It's just weird how she insists on bringing it up. And in fact, Malat points to that in the piece saying her faith, which she describes as a hybrid of the Catholicism she was raised with and the evangelical Christianity she embraced

as a young adult came up in every single one of our conversations, but politics rarely did, which is strange because Turning Point USA is by definition a political organization and its CEO should feel comfortable talking about politics. But it was notable that she felt very uncomfortable weighing in on political issues. In fact, there were a few instances in the piece, which you should read for yourselves, where she was asked a political question or to weigh in on something political, her late husband said, and she wouldn't really answer. She would either do it in a vague way or say that I don't know enough about this. Let me look into it and then I'll give you an answer later, that kind of thing. So she told Vanity Fair that she makes every decision based on whether it will

bring her closer to God. And she says, quote, I am so fixated and paranoid of having anything keeping me from going to heaven to be reunited with my husband. If that's true, I don't think that's healthy. That doesn't mean don't be religious. That doesn't mean don't try to be a good person and do the right thing. It just means that you shouldn't live in constant fear and paranoia like that. But one look at her past, honestly, you'll see someone who's kind of different from who she is now. So like she appeared, she did appear on reality shows.

And in fact, this piece talks about how Bravo, had recently approached her about joining the cast of Summerhouse. I've watched an episode of two of Summerhouse, and I would just say that a deeply religious, evangelical person who can't help but bring up religion in literally every conversation wouldn't be a good fit for Summer House. But anyway, she also did compete in the past for Arizona in Trump's Miss USA pageant. And she also appeared in CIA training videos. And there's an explanation for that. Her mom, Lori, is a defense contractor. So she built a security company that won DHS contracts, along with contracts with the National Guard.

Erica grew up in her mother's office, wandering the halls to annoy people before being shuttled between neighbors' houses and the boys and girls club where she remembers being the last kid to get picked up for most evenings, which sounds awful. Like no kid wants to feel like they're being abandoned by their parents, right? But here's how she describes those years of her life. Looking back at it, that's unbelievable, says Erica of her mother's ability to juggle. She gave me a great childhood. Did she? Like that was the immediate follow-up after you just read that she was the last kid to get picked up most evenings. Okay. So her relationship with Charlie also seemed, or at least the way she talks about her relationship with Charlie seems strange.

So I'll give you one example. A proud virgin, Charlie Kirk spent hours preaching that women in their 30s were past their prime and collectively made up an unattractive dating pool. Erica, who was five years his senior, I didn't know that, by the way, and pushing 30, which is not old at all, with a roster of past boyfriends who hadn't impressed either her mother or pageant coach was not the most obvious choice for Charlie. but she says he never commented on her age because I don't look my age, maybe. I really, I don't know, he would always say, you're so fun and you're so cool. I don't know. I shouldn't, my worldview should not be based on my own marriage or my own interactions with my own husband. Like, but I wouldn't describe the way my husband feels about me as he thinks I'm so cool.

It's just, anyway, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but there's more. So then there are her pro-Israel views. We don't even have to get into that. Okay, fine, we will. She says, I honestly think that Jew hate is just complete brain rot and that anti-Semitism is evil. And I agree with that, by the way. I think just simply hating someone because they're Jewish is detestable, disgusting,

and yes, anti-Semitic. But it does seem like she falls into the trap of conflating. Zionism with Judaism. And so the reporter asks her about Charlie Kirk's increasing criticism of Israel's actions in Gaza. Do you think that you can question how other leaders run their country? Do I think that you can question how other leaders run their country? Absolutely. That's the blessing of living in a country where we have freedom of speech, which is a fine answer. but don't conflate criticism of Israel's government with hatred toward Jewish people, because that's the issue here.

And then Malat, the reporter, presses Erica about her views on Israel, and she says, to be quite honest with you, I don't sit around thinking about what Bibi Netanyahu is doing. Well, you're not being asked about Bibi Netanyahu in particular, but you are being asked about the legitimate criticisms that your husband had toward Israel. you are being asked about your views of Israel's conduct, and she clearly didn't want to answer that question. Okay, final thing that I'm going to bring up here because it really stood out to me.

What really stood out to me about the Erica Kirk profile in Vanity Fair was that there was one former Turning Point USA employee who provided a statement to Vanity Fair about Charlie Kirk in particular, namely that Charlie Kirk loved, and I'm reading verbatim, loved showing up to schools where there was going to be death threats because it meant it was going to be great content. I thought that statement was real strange. You want to know why? Because my mind wandered back to Andrew Wilson's debate with Candace Owens. This took place on August 14th of this year, where he read a text that Charlie Kirk allegedly sent to his security detail ahead of the event.

Take a look. There is, however, tons of evidence that a leftist killed Charlie Kirk. Just as Charlie feared they would. I believe Charlie Kirk. and I have the receipts. I'm going to share the message with you today, which is the first time this information's ever been publicly revealed. On September 9th, Charlie's security team wrote to him,

yes, law enforcement has been fully supportive and agreed to a security plan and posture. Tomorrow's event will be covered by both my team and the campus PD. If additional support is required, patrol units will be available. I have 11 on site. Charlie responded with this. Okay, great. Remind them that they are there for one. person's security only because I'm somewhat worried the left is trying to kill me. That was a message

sent September 9th. Okay, so we just also learned from the independent review of UVU's handling of security that day, that it was actually Turning Point USA that insisted on holding the event outdoors, rather than indoors in a more safe environment, more controllable environment. I thought that was strange. So it was, according to the independent investigation, it was Turning Point USA who insisted. At the same time, you allegedly have this text message that Charlie Kirk sent to his own security team about how worried he was for his own life, allegedly because he was worried the left was going to kill him. Now, prior to all of this, Candice Owens has claimed that Charlie Kirk had communicated in a message that it wasn't that he was worried about the left killing him. He was worried about Israel or Zionist coming after him. I don't, I haven't seen the evidence of that. So I can't say one way or the other, whether or not that's true. Okay, like I have to see it for myself to believe it. I find Andrew Wilson super suspicious. So I don't know if those are. legitimate text messages that he's reading. But if they are, obviously he would get those text

messages from either Charlie's security or from Erica Kirk in Turning Point USA. And if that's the case, it does conflict with something else that Erica Kirk has said on the record. So the moment that you just watched with Andrew Wilson, that was from August 14th of this year. Now let's take a look at what Erica Kirk said on Glenn Beck's show last December. We knew that there was always going to be a threat, but Charlie and I always, we promised each other, we would never live in fear. And he would say, if they're going to get me, they're going to get me. But he was not messaging people the day before saying, I'm going to be murdered. They're coming after me. Someone's going to kill me. He didn't, he didn't say that.

And I have his cell phone. Okay. So I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. to anybody who's like, how dare you question the official narrative of anything? How could you not? Like these weird inconsistencies that keep coming up. Very strange. Very, very, very strange. Anyway, do whatever you want with that information. But I do find it suspicious. And I don't think there's anything wrong with finding it suspicious. Obviously, we're getting different stories. So what's the truth? No idea. All right. Well, we got to take a break. Actually, no, we don't have to take a break. That does it for the main show. We're going to head on over to our members-only bonus episode, t-y-t.com slash join to become a member

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