The Young Turks - Fight Fight Fight

Episode Date: February 13, 2021

In the first hour: Cenk Uygur, John Iadarola, and Maz Jobrani discuss Trump’s legal defense and its focus on the Democrats' use of the word ‘fight’ all the time. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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All right. Maas, you got a comedy special coming out on Peacock. It's called Pandemic Warrior. You got a podcast back to school. So this stand-up special, I get it. Everybody go to Peacock, check out pandemic war. Is it out yet or it's gonna come out? It's out.

out about a week ago and it's on Peacock and the app. You can get it for free. Check out my special. If you like it, you can stay. And if you don't like it, you can leave. Well, that seems fair. That's actually our motto for TYT. Take it out. If you like it, you can stay. If you don't, we'll see you later. Another one I use it. I say, if you like it, tell your friends. If you don't like it, keep it to yourselves. Indeed. If you don't like it, no moss. Okay, but what's the, why back to school for the podcast? Podcasts called back to school with Maz Jobrani and it came to me when my kids who are now 10 and 12,

they would ask me questions that I did not have the answers for. And I decided rather than going and Googling their questions, I'll just start bringing in experts and we can learn from them. So every week I bring in someone new. We've had, we actually had Michael Cohen, who was Trump's former fixer on talking about all things Trump. I had a lady named Jill Heinirth, who's a cave diver who goes underneath glaciers. I had a guy named Fieruz Nadari who helped land the rover on Mars. So we cover all kinds of subjects. That last guy sounds a little dangerous. He's got a couple of alien things working for him, right? I mean, what is he? Muslims in space, that's not going to work.

That's crazy. No, fear is not there is, this guy used to work for the JPL Propulsion Laboratory and the story he told was so amazing, he said that when they first were trying to land different before the rover, they were trying to land other things on Mars and they kept failing. So he says it worked four years to get the rover on Mars and the last eight minutes when it lands, they don't have a signal. So they had to wait eight minutes after four years of work to four. find out if it landed. And then finally the control goes, Rover has landed. And he goes,

I just started crying, tears of joy. Rover made it. Yeah, that's awesome, man. I love those stories. And by the way, it's a super last thing. We got a lot of news to get to. But my kid, to your point, Maas and I had this conversation on Twitch on the show that I do host called between me and Yugar. Now, whenever those are live, like they were like I was talking to Charles Coleman last night. Everybody could check it out for free. All of our shows are free. You can check out live, including this one on Twitch. But afterwards, they get put into the members only section after they're not live. Okay, so if you're a member on Twitch, go back and check out my conversation with Maas. Hour long, it was so much fun, so great.

And I have an eight year old and a 10 year old, and they're constantly Googling things, just like you said. And I'm actually learning a ton from them. But But just the other day, pro, my son, Googled what I said in the beginning of the broadcast, Hasekid, which is actually a Turkish curse word. And when he Googled, because he doesn't know Turkish, but he did a Turkish to English translation. So that's the downsides of kids were on it. So he figured out what that was. Well, I'm happy to hear your son's learning how to curse in Turkish. I always tell people, because I'm, you know, as people know, I was born in Iran. And it's funny to me, whenever I run into

somebody that go, oh, I know a couple words in Persian. And if they're cussing at you, that means they had guy friends in school that taught him how to cuss. If they're using terms of endearment, sometimes it'll be like, oh, I know how to say honey. I'm like, okay, so you dated an Iranian girl. That's how it works. 100%. I've taught more people, Turkish curse words than anything else I've ever done in my life. Okay, anyways, tons of stories to get to, Maas, great to have you back. John, let's get started, brother. Let's do it.

Today Trump's defenders took over and the prediction was that they would engage in quite a bit of what aboutism, trying to distract from what Trump it did or imply that other people using similar words in different contexts was somehow the same. Well, they did and we're gonna show you some, but understand that these excerpts are like cut to the bone stripped not just of context, but everything. So let me quickly add in a bit of context. In all of these instances, the individual using the word fight or something like it both didn't want physical violence, but whether you believe that or not, note that none of the instances you're about to see ended in a violent insurrection. So that said, here is the presentation

from Trump's defending lawyers. And there's more. I promise to fight every single day, One, I'm a fighter and I'm relentless, but I'm a fighter and I'm relentless. A fighter and I'm relentless, I will fight like hell. But the way I see it now is that we pick ourselves up and we fight back. That's what I think it's all about. Fight that fight. We have been fighting. I was fighting very hard.

Time is of the essence, both in terms of the fight. I think we should be fighting. Well, I really believe we need to fight. We're simply not going to take this line down. We're going to keep fighting. So I'm telling all my colleagues, this is the. fight of our life. Yeah. So Tim Kane notably did not then go take a dump in the Speaker's office or anything like that. There wasn't any actual violence because it turns out the context

does actually matter. For instance, the context we're in, you might think without it that we're in a democracy and we have people are going to be impartial jurors. But the context is that we've a bunch of partisan hacks who don't care about any of this and they're just going to decide based on their processing disposition. But guys, what do you think about this turn in the trial? Yeah, so first of all, I'm gonna shock the world in a second. So you have that to look forward to. But second of all, yes, is context support? Of course, no one has ever committed so much as a jaywalking infraction after an Elizabeth Warren speech. Tim Kane, I don't think is capable of inspiring violence or any physical action or even getting up out of your chair.

So is it different? Of course it's different. Now the unspoken thing here that the media can't say and the politicians can't say is the audience is different. So if Elizabeth Warren's given a speech about fighting like hell to raise taxes on the top 1%, so the rest of us can have education and healthcare, nobody thinks, let's go commit violence to get healthcare. Like that's not a thing, it's never been a thing. You know, if you want to make an argument about protests in the streets that are related to police violence, that's a different conversation because it's not a political conversation. And no politician told them to go do that, encourage them to do that, et cetera, et cetera, right? And so that is that human beings are reacting

to a situation they're in where they have met with violence. But that is a separate topic than Democrats inciting violence. Democrats can't even incite people off the couch and they don't want them off the couch nine out of ten times, let alone physical violent action. Whereas the Trump mob, everybody knows it's violent. And if I said that before January 6th, The right wing, and by the way, some portion of the mainstream media would have been outraged. How could you say that about beloved Republican voters, right? No, I've always told you there, Violet. Well, you don't why?

Because of overwhelming evidence. Every time they go somewhere, they talk about bringing their guns. Sometimes they bring their guns. Sometimes they murder people. And a lot of times they do domestic right wing terrorist attacks, planning to bomb buildings, pipe bombs. Attacks against synagogues, you name it, they've done it. So the problem was half the speaker and half the audience. Trump knew that he was gonna rile them up, and he knew they were violent, and he looked forward

to that violence. So the reason they people don't say that is because they're afraid of offending Republican voters, but you know a Republican crowd is more violent. It's super obvious, and January 6 proved it. I'll save my shocking conclusion for in a second, but I'm curious what Maas thinks. You know, going off of your thing of different audiences, first of all, I've been kind of sporadically watching and what I was doing when the house was presenting the prosecution, I was flipping the Fox to see if they're covering it.

And they were covering other stuff, they weren't showing the prosecution. And I don't know if they came around to showing it, but they sure as hell weren't showing it before. And then today, when I flipped there and they had Trump's defense team answering some questions they were showing it. And they're using that what aboutism, as you guys are saying so clearly. And I'll tell you, Jank, you're absolutely right about, as a comedian, I experienced the evolution of Trump because before Trump ran, he was a clown that everybody would laugh about.

He had the apprentice. I had a couple of innocuous jokes I would do in my show about him. And nobody cared. A couple of chuckles, move on. Once he started spewing racist crap and talking about immigrants this, Mexicans that, Muslims, this, build all that stuff, these people that you're talking about who sit in those audiences of his and they're going, yeah, elbow these people in the face and the Democrats are communists and let's get these immigrants out of it. They got riled up back then. And they started getting really, really upset at any joke you made about Trump to the point where as a stand-up comedian over the people. past four years, I would get anxiety when I would approach my Trump jokes because I knew that some Trump fan was going to lose their mind and start screaming at me. So you're absolutely right, they are more riled up and more violent. And the last thing I want to say, the ridiculousness

of this what aboutism and this clip they're showing about the word fight, fight, fight, I don't know where they get these clowns. I know that his original legal team quit, and I'm guessing that this is like the next level down. This is the minor leagues. I don't know who they are, but it's such a joke. I'm waiting, I was waiting for them to be like, and speaking of the word fight, what about the Beastie Boys when they were fighting for their right to party? What about what about fight club? They should have just shown the fight club for an hour and a half. Look at how many times they say fight in that. Was that about starting a riot? Which by the way it was. But anyway, that's my two cents. Yeah, what about Hillary's fight song?

Oh, what about that? Yeah, there's this debate. And this is really what all this is about, where we would say they understood what Trump wanted and he liked what they did. And the defense says they misunderstood Trump, this isn't what he wanted at all. And so Trump isn't going to testify, so we don't get to see, we don't get to ask him direct questions, but he said the things. They went there and did all of this stuff, hours of footage, and Pence had to be rushed out,

and people died and all of that. And then he tweets, these are the things and events that happened when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously and viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly and unfairly treated for so long, go home with love and in peace, remember this day forever. That comment gets us to his motivations. And which of those two positions is that more consistent with? That he was, badly misunderstood by a crowd of people who didn't get that he didn't want any of this or a crowd of people who got what he wanted. And as reports from the day say, he was enjoying watching the footage he liked what he was seeing. Every statement he put out, which of those

two positions is it more compatible with? And that is, it's almost an insulting thing to even ask because everybody knows. Everybody knows that he acted exactly like a person who had not been misunderstood, that they got exactly what he wanted, that that's what he called them there to do, and he was perfectly happy with what they did. They were asked to talk about that exact tweet, and of course they disassemble and they make it about something else because they can't actually answer to it. When that went out, you know that Trump's team was hating it. And let alone all of of what was talked about yesterday where why is it then if Trump had nothing to do with this, everyone including Republicans were desperately trying to get him to call them off on the day.

If he had nothing to do with it, if he had no power of it, why was he the one that everyone was looking to call these murderous thugs out of the Capitol building? It's just, it's all so insulting, it's also pointless. We all know exactly what happened. There's just some people that aren't going to admit it because it's not politically beneficial to them. Yeah, so, you know, John's last point is such a great one. I'm gonna come back to it in a second. So the, my opinion is a little bit more nuanced and hence the so-called shocking the world. Look, I'm not sure that I would vote to convict Trump. And so that that might surprise you guys. And the reason is, as usual, the Democrats didn't charge him in the right ways.

So in the first impeachment, he had broken five very clear laws. But they didn't charge him with any of the laws that he had broken. They came in with like super vague stuff and we don't like him. I'm like, God, you guys are so bad at this. But I would have voted to convict on those because the underlying issue was the five criminal violations. And they were clear. In this case, I'm a little worried about precedent because he did use generic words like fight like hell, march down to the capital. If it was a criminal case, I'd be really surprised if anyone could convict based on those words.

And yes, other people have used them in a completely different context in front of a completely different crowd with a completely different reaction. But I, you know, and remember, this is not a legal conviction. This is a political conviction. So that makes it more likely that I would vote yes. But I would have to hear all the evidence that I'm not 100% sure just because I'm worried about the precedent, then who do they use that against? Oh, you said, fine, like hell, that's it. You're, that's an insurrection. No, I don't want that precedent. Well, one important follow question would be, is there an insurrection? Yeah, that's exactly. Exactly, John. So look, now let's get to the other side of it, evidence to say that it was, right,

that he had incited an insurrection. What he did after the speech to me is way more damning than what he said in the speech. So we know that he called Tommy Tuberville right around when Pence was being removed from the building because it's on the record is Tuberville saying, I told him the vice president just got taken out of the Senate chamber, okay? And we know that happened at 213. So Trump knows that Pence's life is in danger. At 226, 13 minutes later, he tweets about how Pence is a terrible guy who didn't do the right thing. Oh my God, he knew they're in the building. He knew they had already broken in and committed violence. He knew they were going after Pence, and he encouraged him. To me, that probably would be the number one reason to

convict. And then, and then John makes a devastating point, Lindsey Graham and almost every other Republican senator was trying to call Donald Trump in a panic. Now, if they thought he thought he didn't incite the riot? Why are they calling Trump? They didn't call me. They didn't call Elizabeth Warren. They didn't call Bernie Sanders. Why did they call Trump? Because they know he started it and they know he could have ended it. And eventually after hesitating not, and to me, where I would tip the scales and vote yes for conviction is if they could show definitive proof that Trump said to not send in the National Guard. When he was told that there was violence, People's lives are in danger, including the Senators, including Mike Pence, and we need to send the National Guard.

And if he said no, I would say that's it. No, he knew for sure, and he definitely wanted the violence. I vote yes, on incitement of insurrection. But we're not anywhere near those issues, because we have the Republicans saying it's unconstitutional to even consider any evidence. So they're basically going, la, la, la, la, la, right? And that's, that argument is 100% false. We have definitely convicted people after they have left office. And just logically, guys, think about it for one second. If they were right, and somebody was about to get convicted on any impeachment, at any level, right? They just, like one of the consequences of impeachment and conviction is that you can never serve in political office again. They have a separate vote on that, but they can only have that vote after conviction, right? So if somebody was a crook and they got caught being

a crook, just simple like bribery, right? If Trump's lawyers were right, they would resign right before they got convicted. Admit it before, oh, this, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna lose the vote, they're at 49, they're about to go to 50, whatever the number is, right? He says, okay, I resign, ha ha, now I can run for office again. No, of course not. Of course that's not true. So yes, they can do this trial, no question about it, yes, they can convict. And they I would need to hear more about the National Guard, and that would probably put me over the top to saying yes. But I am a little worried about generic words being cited as incitement to insurrection. From what I understand, and I think you were talking about this, it's not a criminal case as much as it is a political case.

So they got to show that there's, I think, is high crimes and misdemeanors? Isn't that what they say? And so based on that, a couple of things that were interesting. One was I saw a tweet, I think, from Peter Sousa, the Obama photographer, who said, I would be interested to see if there's photographs of Trump during this time while this is all happening. And I'm not sure if they told the White House photographers stop taking pictures or not, but that could definitely help maybe, if nothing else, show him all jovial or, you know, walking around going, why is everyone so down or whatever that expression is, that could add to it. But the other thing that for me is a bit of a mystery on the Democratic side, why did they not call witnesses? I know they tried to call Trump and he said no. Did they try to call Pence? Like Pence would be a great person to talk to right now. Did he say no? Are there other witnesses? I think they should have had witnesses that were able to give some firsthand testimony

about what was going through, what kind of conversations were happening. Were they able to called Tommy Tupperville. I don't know, are they able to? Does anybody know the answer to that? Yeah, and so look, a couple of things there. Maas is absolutely right. So what would I have done it instead if I was Democrats? First of all, I would have put it in charge about specifically lying to undermine democracy, undermine a democratically held election, right? So I think that on a political conviction, on a political issue like impeachment, to me that's plenty enough to impeach. We know for a fact that he lied a thousand times. We know for a fact he tried to undermine our democracy. That is not in dispute at all. So charge him with that.

That's plenty enough for impeachment. And I would impeach and convict on that super easy. Then secondly, why not be more aggressive? So the House managers did a great job in their presentation. So I'm not knocking them. I'm so proud of Jamie Raskin, who's a great progressive and put on a terrific case, okay? But where I would get more aggressive is exactly what Monset and the witnesses. I'm gonna call everybody who was in the room with Donald Trump when they were discussing the National Guard. Now, I know they discussed the National Guard that's already in the news. And every report says that he was reluctant to call out the National Guard. And in fact, there's even reports that he didn't, that it was Pence who eventually

ordered the National Guard in. Well, get Pence or anyone else in the room and then drill him and not let him off the hook. Did he or did he not order the National Guard? Did he or didn't? But you have to answer the question. It's not optional. If you don't, I don't care if you're Mike Pence, if I call you as a witness and you're under oath and you do not answer my question, that's contempt of Congress and you will go to prison. Did he order the National Guard in or didn't he? If he didn't, knowing that there's violence, he's definitely guilty.

He wanted the insurrection and he was thrilled with the insurrection. And guys, last thing for me on this, he never apologized to Pence. Imagine that you gave a speech, look, there's two parts of this. And maybe you gave a speech like 10,000 people on a progressive issue and they got all riled up. And three of them went down somewhere and busted windows. Well, that's not on you guys. It's three randos. There's always going to be three randos. But what if thousands of people after your speech went and did something incredibly violent. And they started chanting and pick a progressive ally because Mike Pence is Trump's vice president. And they started chanting about hanging a fellow

progressive. And they had a noose with them. And they almost got him. Wouldn't you be mortified? Wouldn't you call that guy and say, oh my God, I'm so sorry. I didn't know they were going to do that. No, it wasn't a couple of guys, it was thousands, and Trump never apologized because he was actually super happy it happened. And you could tell, any human being can tell he was happy, because if you had done that, even if you're a conservative, and you did not intend it, and it turns out your fans caused massive violence and we're looking to kill people, I would hope as a decent human being, you would be apologetic about that, even if you didn't intended, whereas Trump looks at it and does that smile he has, like, hmm, hmm, hmm. Well, then you just

told us you wanted it and you were happy with him. Yeah. Well, there's a lot more that we could go into, a lot of it that would just make you want to end this whole democratic experiment because clearly it's not working. I checked in every once in a while and every time I did, I thought, why am I doing this? What is the point of this? But we do have a lot of other news to get to. So why don't we take our first break when we come back. We're going to talk about the pandemic, Nikki Haley, and more. We need to talk about a relatively new show called Un-F-The Republic or UNFTR. As a Young Turks fan, you already know that the government, the media, and corporations are constantly peddling lies that serve the interests of the rich

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Okay, Jess writes, and Jank, today is my son's 19th birthday. Could he get a shout out from you, please? TYT's birthday and my sons are actually two days apart. Jess, I say, of course, but you gotta put his name in there. So Jess's son, happy birthday. Okay, proud member of the squirrel squad says, you don't even need context. It's so clear that they are not calling for violence. Surely they could have found more ambiguous examples.

And this is laughable, okay? And the progressive defender makes a great point. The defense's video compilation wasn't for us. It was for the Fox News audience and for the GOP senators to hide behind when Trump gets acquitted. Excellent point, similar to the one that Maz made. So Irene says to my point, so tens of thousands of people who hang on his every word misunderstood him, sure. Right. And by the way, his lawyers are kind of saying they misunderstood him. Trump has never really said they misunderstood him. Is that amazing? Whether he's called or not

called to the stand, Trump never came out and said, oh, my mob was wrong. They misunderstood me. He never said that. He's never even commented on what they did. He said they continue being peaceful after they'd already killed people. He still hasn't spoken about it. Yeah. And the fact that you had said something about any human being can see what's going on. He's obviously, we know this, he's such a troubled human being, but also his followers are such troubled human beings because the fact that we're focusing on the violence that would have been caused to Mike Pence, what about the violence that would have been caused to Nancy Pelosi or anyone else on the left, you could hate each other politically or be enemies politically, but to wish

death or some sort of damage like that to somebody is just sick. Yeah, absolutely. Izzy Sanchez wrote in on Super Chad. Trump's lawyer defense strategy equals squirrel. Pretty good point. J.A. Yordi Najera, Lanky Tor Brown, Almighty, Danger Q, all just join with a join button below. All right. All right. All right, honey, I mean, church. I mean, I'm Turks. We got common room tonight on Twitch, but Twitch is already hot, so hot.

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John, you got more stories for us. Let's do it. A new analysis by the Lancet estimates that had the US responded to the coronavirus, simply in the way that most other Western nations had, we could have saved many, many lives. In fact, they think we could have averted about 40% of the total deaths from COVID-19. Had we just kept our death rates corresponding with the rates in other high-income G7 countries. And of course, far more could have been saved if we had exceeded that as a country with the best health care in the world, one would think we could have. Now, they do fault Donald Trump, but not Donald Trump alone.

In fact, they say the disturbing truth is that many of President Trump's policies do not represent a radical break with the past, but have merely accelerated the decades-long trend of lagging life expectancy that reflects deep and longstanding flaws in U.S. economic health and social policy. So they talk about what Trump did and more importantly what he didn't do, but they also talk about what had been done in the years leading up to the pandemic and even prior to Trump as well. But on Trump, they say, instead of galvanizing the U.S. populace to fight the pandemic, President Trump publicly dismissed its threat, despite privately acknowledging it, discouraged action as infection spread, and his refusal to develop a national strategy worsened shortages of personal protective equipment and diagnostic tests. They also condemn his response, but emphasize that the country entered the pandemic with a degraded public health infrastructure. Between 2002 and 2019, U.S. public health spending fell from 3.21% to 2.45%, approximately half the share of spending in Canada and the UK. There's a lot more in there, obviously, that we can discuss.

But it is clear that had the U.S. better prepared for this pre-Trump and especially during Trump, we could have saved potentially hundreds of thousands of lives. Yeah, guys, in the Trump era and now passed it, we argue over absurd things that there is no argument about. So did Trump react as well as he could to COVID? Don't be ridiculous. I mean, the guy was so stupid that in the middle of the pandemic, he suggested that maybe we should inject bleach into our bodies. I mean, come on. Really? Like we're, oh, am I supposed to debate this? Come. So, even after he himself got coronavirus, he came out and said, so I learned a lot about coronavirus now. That was near the end of your term. We were like nine, 10 months in. So you didn't bother learning about coronavirus even though you're the president of the United States. And he says, maybe I'm immune now. What do you mean, maybe you moron? So did he do it? He did he do it? He discouraged mass, he didn't prepare properly, he didn't have the test ready, so did he cost

at least 40% more deaths? Obviously, the only reason why we're having a discussion over it is because one side of the political aisle in this country lies as a matter of course, it's not just Trump, it's all the stupid Republican senator and congressman robots who are like, we will all lie now, pretending there is no disease, it's just as good a way of treating it as actually treating it? And then we have to debate, is that true? No. Bleach could be, he was joking. Everybody saw with their own eyes. He wasn't joking. But it could be true. Trump, everything. Can get it? No, no, no, no, you morons. So look, nearly 500,000 Americans have died already from coronavirus. You do the math on that. That means about 200,000 more people died than was necessary.

And guys, you could look at any chart. You can Google it right now. Look at any chart, any version of it. The US versus the rest of the world, my God, we're a runaway number one for the worst in handling the disease of any country on the planet. Forget developing versus non-developing world. We were the least developed. We had the most cases and the most deaths, because we had an absolute village idiot as president. So a couple of hundred thousand people died, not just because of Trump, But because Republicans in mass drive us against science, against medicine, and in favor of stupidity. Well, you're absolutely right, because first of all, in the election, 2016 elections, people kept saying, I love him because he's an outsider, he's going to get in there,

he's going to mix things up, clean the swamp. That was the biggest bunch of crap I've ever heard in my entire. Who wants an outsider? Why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a a space that does it all for you, no matter the size. Whether you're taking over your parents' basement or moving to campus, IKEA has hundreds of design ideas and affordable options to complement any budget. After all, you're in your small space era. It's time to own it. Shop now at IKEA.ca. This is the only job that people think they want an outsider for. You never go, you know, I'm going to get my eye surgery. I want a surgeon who's an outsider who's never done this

before. I really like to see how he would do with the eyes. And then we find out what happens when an outsider is caught in the middle of a situation he can't bob and weave his way out of like he had been for the past four years. And this was something where, I mean, the management was horrible. He brings in Dr. Atlas in the middle of it, who's another cuckoo who's saying, let's just go for herd immunity. Let's go for three million dead. I mean, there was so much goofiness And kooko-ness, I listened to a great podcast, the Daily, the New York Times podcast, they interviewed Dr. Fauci and he'd say, what was it like under Trump? And he said, you know, every day someone would call him up with an anecdotal story saying, have you tried, you know,

like you said, UV rays? Have you tried disinfectant? And the whole time I'm watching this, I'm going, where is he getting his ideas? Because we know he watches a lot of television. And I thought maybe he was getting his ideas from infomercials, you know, like I was waiting for him to come out one week and be like, you really want to clean up the coronavirus, try sham, wow. You just clean it and you throw it in the wash. Inject it. Injected. So it really was rookie time, rookie hour, as we know. And I'm so happy that this new administration is a science administration and it already feels, I just feel, guys, I don't know about you guys, but the past month, I felt good to wake up and not have to like think about a bunch of fabricated

drama from someone's tweets. Like I, we actually get to talk about real stuff. People go, oh, there's climate change. I'm like, yes, let's talk about it, you know, there's a pandemic. Let's talk about it. And as Jake was just saying, these senators, there's a video of Ted Cruz saying, you know, if Biden wins, the day after he wins, the coronavirus is going to go away. Really, Ted Cruz, Harvard, Princeton?

That just made me think of, I've lost total respect for Harvard and Princeton, if this is your best that this guy's talking like this. And last but not least, I'll leave you with this because John was saying that this study talked about how it's not just Trump, but it's been a systemic thing with our healthcare. I to this day do not understand for the life of me why we are so afraid of universal healthcare in this country. They've really done a good job of say, you give universal health care, then the communists are going to take over the socialism and then we live in a capitalistic country. There is no way we're going to end up like the former Soviet Union. If you want to know how capitalistic we are? You know who shut us down for

coronavirus? It wasn't the government. It was the NBA. They said stay home. You know who stopped Trump from continuing his attempted coup? It wasn't the government. It was Twitter, Facebook, and you YouTube, private enterprise runs this country. Let's give healthcare to people and not be number one on the worst coronavirus list. Yeah, I'll just add two quick things to that. One, on the outsider stuff, look, I think you'll be an outsider who's intelligent and has experience in running things in different contexts. I'll give Andrew Yang as an example. So I disagree with some of the things that Andrew pushes for, but he's a smart guy.

And so him as mayor of New York is really interesting. But if you pick an outsider who has no experience and is an idiot, well, don't do that. That's nuts. And then we have to have this debate that goes on forever. But to Maz's even more important point about health care overall, guys, every article talks about as if this is a debatable issue too. And in fact, they almost all come out on the side of Medicare for all is going to cost more. But it doesn't in any other country.

It costs half as much in every country that's tried it. So to say like, oh, it's a big mystery and it probably will add to the deficit, it's just borderline lying. And it's done to make sure you don't get healthcare. So those private insurance guys and the drug company guys can make more money. And by the way, also spent a lot more money in advertising in media. And by the way, the Lancet ends by suggesting the US switch over to Medicare for all, but says that Biden is unlikely to do that. So millions of people will remain uninsured. But we do have other news, so why don't we jump ahead to our next topic.

I, like many people, was shocked to find out this morning that Nikki Haley, formerly big fan of the president, is now totally against him. She wants you to believe. She said in this Politico write-up that many people have seen, we need to acknowledge he let us down. He went down a path he shouldn't have, and we shouldn't have followed him, and we shouldn't have listened to him, and we can't let that ever happen again. So she has made a clean break with the president supposedly and supposedly doesn't still support him, but virtually everything else in the write-up doesn't actually support that. And when she's asked a number of questions by the writer, Tim Alberta, about what Trump did between November and today. She's very defensive

of the president. Doesn't seem to have a problem with the fact that, for instance, that he demonized Pence to the point where he was hunted through the Capitol. She says that she was really mad about it. But he hasn't actually apologized and it doesn't seem like a big deal. Anyway, in terms of what should actually be done, she doesn't support the impeachment. But what she does say is we need to take the good that he built, leave the bad that he did, and get back to a place where we can be a good, valuable, effective party. But at the same time, it's bigger than the party. I hope our country can come together and figure out how we pull this back. So we need to move on from him, that's clear, but so does he need to be held accountable for any of this?

She says, I think he's going to find himself further and further isolated. I think his business is suffering at this point. I think he's lost any sort of political viability he was going to have. I think he's lost his social media, which meant the world to him. I mean, I think he's lost the things that really could have kept him moving. So we should move on, but we shouldn't do anything. She certainly shouldn't do anything. There shouldn't be any criminal trial, he shouldn't actually be convicted, he shouldn't be barred from running.

He'll just naturally fade away because that is what Donald Trump does. He just naturally stops being a problem if you don't do anything about it. Yeah. So Nikki Haley's doing a couple of different things here. One is she's ironically running cover for Trump by saying, I don't worry about him. He's not going to get back into politics anyway. He's such a shy guy. I mean, I can't imagine he'd come back in the public square. So she's saying you don't have to bother convicting him because if they convict him, they could bar him from politics.

And so the second thing she's doing is saying, now remember, the rest of your Republicans, including the voters, We're now past Donald Trump because some other people would like to run for president in 2024. Gee, I wonder who that would be Nikki Haley? Oh, right, Nikki Haley. So yeah, convenient for you to say, oh yeah, I mean, of course Trump's not going to run. I mean, other people have to have a turn. Sure. Now the third thing is she's just flat out wrong. He ain't going nowhere. And so in the beginning, I told you guys, beginning, meaning the beginning of the Biden administration, and as the impeachment stuff started, I couldn't quite yet tell who's going to win this Republican Civil War, because Mitch McConnell

ain't none to mess with. And so it was basically McConnell versus Trump. And the jury has started to come in. Right now, if I had to lay a bet, I could make a bet. And I'd say Trump's going to win. So it's not 100% over. It's not a prediction or anything. But right now, Trump is has definitely got the upper hand. There are, if he was losing, McConnell would be able to drive him out of politics completely. He would lead a conviction while pretending that he was against the conviction. That's an old McConnell trick, easy to pull off if you're a savvy veteran like him.

And he'd get 17 Republicans to vote against them. They'd ban him for life from politics and be done with him. But they don't even have the courage to do that. Like, this is their one opportunity to get rid of the albatross around their neck. I'm talking about the Republicans, not the Democrats, right? And they're too scared of them to even come close to being able to do that. So then that gives you your answer. Trump is definitely winning. Yeah, and it's like, it's almost as if they're in an abusive relationship and they keep saying,

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That's EXPRE S-SVPN.com. TYT. Check it out today. Adam Schiff argument and impeachment one. If you let him do this now, he's going to get worse and worse. And they kept saying, no, he's going to get better. He's going to get better. And now Nikki Haley is, like you said, they're trying to just brush it under the rug in the hopes that I don't know what. I'm not sure what his next move is. As she said, he did lose some business interests and obviously his social media. But he's going to come back strong because his ego will not allow him to sit there and be quiet. The only thing I think can stop him, which goes back to what I said before, we live in a capitalistic society. I think the only

thing is going to stop him is like more businesses saying we're not going to do business with you. And possibly these other state courts, you know, the New York court being able to get him into courts and cases on his taxes and all that stuff. But Nikki Haley, somehow these people that are on the right, the Nikki Haley's, the Leslie, the Lindsay, the Lindsey Grams, the Mitch McConnell's, all these guys, they are, you couldn't write better comic book villains. They're also villainous in their statements. There's not an ounce of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, interior motives. I mean, the, the, their heroes now are Mitt Romney. Their heroes are, you know, Liz Cheney, these people who are actually saying something, who again, policy wise, I'm not on the same boat with, but I go, okay, this person is actually speaking their mind. So Nikki Haley, and she's, by the way, Nikki Haley's not even in Congress, so she can say

what's on her. She could really come out and be like, you know what, I'll be honest with you. When I was the UN ambassador, this idiot told me so many things, he wanted me to go over to Xi Jinping and flick him in the head. Do you believe that? Like, those kinds of stories would be fantastic. And then if she followed that up with saying, I think he's going to be gone, then I'd be like, all right, Nikki's telling real stories now, but she's not. Okay, by the way, I agree with you, Jen. Yeah. Yeah, no, I was wondering how much I want to engage and we can't go very long. But yeah, it's so sad that he literally hasn't said anything

publicly in weeks and they're still scared of him. I mean, they're, like, they're scared of him, sure, but like they're scared of Marjorie Green. Like she's been in office for three and a half hours and they're terrified of her. It's so incredibly sad. Well, you know, John, let me add one thing to that then. Because guys, understand who they're actually scared of. The Republican voters. Yeah. That's the actual Frankenstein. Trump is just a personification of their actual voters. Otherwise, why the hell will they be scared of Marjorie Taylor Green, a freshman. Okay, there's the only thing she shares with AOC, and I hate those comparisons. The only thing they share is that they actually do represent their base. AOC represents the Democratic base

of decency, health care for everyone, higher wages, et cetera. Marjorie Taylor Green does represent the true Republican base of lunatics, morons, people prone to violence, people who don't believe in equality or justice. So that's why the Republican senators are not voting to convict, because they know who their base is. And they, look, Trump's lawyer today said, now, everybody should keep in mind that they might get primary. Just says it. Like, it has nothing to do with the trial except for the fact that I'm outwardly threatening you. And the Republican senator is like, yes, sir, sorry, sir. I'm so sorry, sir. Now, why would they do that because they know their voters are on Trump's side. That's why Trump's going to win. And

one other thing that Haley said that made me think, uh-oh, we're really, he's definitely coming back, right? Is it's not 100% because of what Ma said, because there's still the trials, the courts, all the laws he broke, and other bankruptcy coming, et cetera, right? But if things proceed as they are, he would definitely come back. Why? Because Haley said even the Republican donors are split. If he has half the Republican donors and 90% of the voters, Republican voters, he's definitely in charge of the Republican Party. Well, in any event, why don't we take our second break? Come back, we got one more topic. You know,

So, All right, back during the break here. So for those of you on Twitch or thinking about going to Twitch, tonight's a great night. Common Room is on at 9 o'clock Eastern. It's so fun. So that's Twitch.TV slash TYT. And tonight you got Brett, you got Norma, who's part of our graphics team. She's moved up throughout the company for a long time. Norma's so great, you're gonna love her. Tim Frisch and Julie. Oh my God, Julie from PR, I love it. Julie's normally shy, so I love that she's going on. Okay, that is a treat tonight. So check that out at 9 o'clock Eastern. And then I want

to let you guys know about the poll from yesterday, and this was a tough one. Gina Carrano, should she have been fired for her social media comments? Anna and I both came out with no, But you guys overrule us. 54% say yes and 45% say no. Pretty close for a poll. Yeah, it is, it is pretty close. So you can keep voting, by the way. I'm super interested in what you guys think about it.

Cyt.com slash poll slash fired. I think we're doing a good job with the polls because you guys keep surprising me. So you thought she should have been fired for her comments. There's some backlash today too from people saying, Well, honestly, they seem to be coming out more on our side that she shouldn't have been fired. But it's a great topic. And so I love that you guys are independent-minded. Look, we actually live up to the thing that Fox News be asked about that whole time. We report it and it turns out you guys decide. And half the time you guys decide the other way.

So, all right, let me go to some comments here. Kofi 19 wrote in the member section, Harvard isn't sending us their best. They're sending us bootleakers. That's right. Captain Cornball says, hang on there. In the UK, our blonde idiot led us to a higher death rate than your blonde idiot. Well, ours is more orange, and we had more deaths, but I hear what you're saying about, more deaths per capita.

And by the way, the other countries that had gigantic death rates per capita were Brazil led by right wing Bolsonaro, Modi in India, another right winger, and Russia led by right winger Putin. So the right wingers who reject science, shockingly enough, were awful during coronavirus. Combined, they might have led to a million extra deaths. So vote for progressives, your life might literally depend on it. So, and that's all across the world. Now, from my earlier comments, earlier topic, someone who likes Bernie Sanders wrote in, Cenk, I can't agree with you on this. We need to have flexibility to identify someone instigating an insurrection, even when they don't say the magic words, okay? So again, I love the variety

of opinion. Whichie woman wrote in on Nikki Haley, quote unquote, move on, abuser talk, so it'll happen again and again and again. That's such a great point. That's exactly how abusers talk. So thank you for doing that. Love you guys. Hit the join button below. We'll be right back. All right, back on a young church, Jank, John and Maz with you guys. I'll read one comment here, and then we'll do the rest of the root news. Ray Riley writes in, I miss dropping it for the power panel. It's almost like the before times. Thanks for bringing it back. Hashtag Dragon Squad. John, Dragon Squads everywhere, brother. Okay. They are. Yeah, look up, you'll see them above. Well, in one day, one day. I wore my, I wear my Dragon Squad shirt all the time now. And then the other

day I wore Grand Theft Autocracy, which is a really cool shirt we have at shopty.com. And the Lady at the Bagel Shop was like Reddit and it was like, oh, that's awesome. Where can I get one of those? So the answer is shop, DYT.com. You can get both of those. All right. Okay, you want to do this last story? Yes, let's do it. Let's do it. The new White House deputy press secretary, T.J. Ducklow, real name, we checked it, is in trouble, but not that much trouble after threatening a reporter at Politico who was inquiring about his new relationship with a reporter at Axios, that was potentially raising ethical concerns. The confrontation began on inauguration day after Tara Palmeri, a co-author of Politico's playbook, contacted Alexei Macammon,

the Axios reporter, for comment while one of her male colleagues left a message for Ducklow, according to sources. Ducklow subsequently called a playbook editor to object to the story, but was told to call the playbook reporters with his concerns. But instead of calling the male reporter who initially contacted him, he instead tried to intimidate Paul Mary by phone in an effort to kill the story, literally saying, I will destroy you, which is great comic book dialogue for this deputy. Man, if you want to know what happens when you give people just a little bit of power. Anyway, he also said that he would ruin her reputation if she published it.

And it's a credible threat because he's doing a great job of ruining his own. During the off the record call, he made derogatory and misogynistic comments, accusing Palmary of only reporting on his relationship, which due to the ethics questions that factor into the relationship between a journalist and a White House official falls under the purview of her reporting beat because she was, quote, jealous that an unidentified man in the past had wanted to F McCamond, but not you. He also accused Paul Mary of being jealous of his relationship with McCamond, although they know Palmary had no prior relationship or communication with McCamond. before calling her to report on the playbook item, which was a story that she was assigned

and did not independently pursued. All of this in just the first couple of weeks of the whole Biden thing, well, now he has been suspended briefly, as was announced today. Yeah, so he's just suspended. Roll. We've got an announcement of it, we can go to. Yeah. sexist comments to this female reporter reaching out for request for comment? Well, let me first say, obviously, Caitlin, that I take this very seriously. I'm a woman, obviously, but I've been in this town working in press and communications for

nearly 20 years, almost 20 years, and I think many of you know me and have worked with me closely, and many of you know many people in this building, including the president who take these allegations quite seriously. T.J. Ducklow, who is the deputy who you're asking about, has apologized to the reporter, apologized to the reporter quite shortly after the comments were made. He had a heated conversation about a story related to his personal life. I'm not saying that's acceptable, but I just want to be clear that it was not about an issue related to the White House or a White House policy or anything along those lines. He's the first to acknowledge this is not the standard of behavior set out by the president,

nor is that the standard of behavior set by me, and I'm his direct supervisor. In addition to his initial apology, he sent the reporter a personal note expressing his profound regret. The ask, he has been placed, as you noted, on a one-week suspension without pay. That is a significant step. I'm not aware of a history of that step being taken. You all can check me on that. And in addition, when he returns, he will no longer be assigned to work with any reporters at Politico. But just Politico, still other women.

And bear in mind guys that Biden had a doubt somewhat controversially that he cared so much about respect in the workplace that if one of his people disrespected someone, they would be fired on the spot. Well, first of all, it all sounds very high school with, you know, this guy was with that girl and that girl was jealous of this guy and all that stuff. And how ironic that the person who makes these comments is a different. deputy assistant, a press secretary. Like his whole job is to be in communications and for him to not know that even on a closed

phone, if he were the IT guy, you'd be like, all right, the guy's, you kind of a weirdo. He kind of keeps himself and he yells at people. But your whole job is to communicate, you dumb dumb. And thirdly, I think perhaps, perhaps they didn't clean the White House enough when the former administration left. So it's the mojo from that administration. It could be that he just touched the phone that one of Trump's people had touched. And it just made him into the, he turned into the incredible Hulk for a second. And then he had to drop the phone and be like, oh my God, I can't believe. I just said that. And lastly, dude, all you got to say, someone asked

you about a relationship, just go, hey, it's complicated. Do the Facebook. What is wrong with you, Ducklow or whatever your name is? Well, first of all, when they go duck low, we should go duck high. So I could have- Cut of sky-pole thing, okay? All right, now that I've gotten past the awful dad jokes, although I loved it and you know it, and you partly loved it. So let's get real here. So look, guys, this would have been a closer case except for one thing that is clearly and

massively over the line. So the reason why I say you might be surprised, well, wait, how is it in? anyway, a close case. So look, I'm gonna end you talk apparently is super common in Washington and they go off the record and then they go, oh, I'm gonna do this to you and I'm gonna do that to you. And they all think they're in an episode of Veep and maybe they are. You know, people say in Washington that Veep is probably the most accurate show about Washington. So that's the comedy on HBO where they say the most absurd things, all the politicians

are the dumbest people you've ever met and everyone curses like a drunk sailor. So can I see someone saying that because that's their the culture of political speak behind the scenes? Yeah, is it dumb? Of course it's dumb, right? And so they by the way, they were off the record. Now other people somehow magically got their off the record conversation. So did someone at political and it might not have been the reporter, it might have been an editor?

There's someone there leaking off the record conversation to get Ducklow in trouble, definitely was that cool? No, that is not cool. And now a lot of reporters are saying, well, if you threaten to end me, that's not off the record. That's not a thing. You made that rule up. In other words, if I don't like it enough, I'm going to pretend you weren't off the record. Now, so what's the thing that makes Duck Globe guilty and clearly over the line?

You called a female reporter and started talking about her sex life? Are you insane? And then you said she was jealous because she didn't get to have you? Oh, that is, no, that's not even close. And then saying that she wanted to F someone else, and that was the origin of her jealousy in a professional context, nah, that's not anywhere near acceptable. So look, I don't know anything else about Ducklow. You know, and the Biden team presumably has way better standards than Trump's, but they also have to prove that, right? And they got to live that. So I think those comments put them in a world of trouble. I don't know how it gets past those comments,

especially being in the communications department, as Moss pointed out. Jake, do you go to your earlier dad joke? Duck low has got to duck go. Oh, let's get a sign made. Call Simon Simon. Right there. Yeah, no, he can't, you can't, you can't expect reporters, let alone female reporters from non-political outlets to talk to this guy,

that why should they be forced to do that? This whole, and this guy came out the gate firing. He's been there for two weeks and he thinks this is, this is appropriate. I can threaten people in this way. It's just, it's not acceptable. If this was, if this was under Trump, if it was one of his goons, we would be attacking him day after day. And so we're gonna be fair.

And we're gonna do it here and Biden promised that they were gonna be different. So this just, this isn't remotely acceptable. I don't think anything about it is acceptable. He's gotta go. I'm sure he'll get some job like managing a hedge fund or something like that. Or they can do something that doesn't. involve interacting with the media. But they need to send a strong signal that they're not going to wage this like sort of quasi war against the media like Trump did. This guy has definitely

got to go. Do you think Trump is reading this and going, get me that guy. I like that guy. Get him in here. He's a misogynist. Get him in here. Yeah, nobody else will work for him. So he's like, yeah, sure. So look, but one last thing here. And this is about the press more than it is about this particular story. So when Ducklow knew that they were going to do a story about him in Politico, and it was not going to put him in a positive light, his first step was to threaten the reporter. But his second step is equally interesting. They then went to People Magazine and gave them the scoop. And People Magazine wrote it in a super positive light. Like it was this beautiful romance that had blossomed on the campaign trail. And they loved each other so much that

They got past the issues and they had done everything right, like she took herself off the beat of covering him, et cetera. And why did people write it so positively? Because they got access. Yep. And that's how that game is played. I think that's all the time we got. Okay, we got another great hour coming up for you guys. For those of you on Twitch, we got Mike Byer from Central Committee on in the next hour.

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