The Young Turks - Fox News Launches Streaming Service And House Democrats Turn On Progressives

Episode Date: November 29, 2018

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You're listening to the Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. All right, welcome the Young Turks, Jake, and Brett Ehrlich with you guys. Brooke Thomas is going to join us later. And so is my rage. How much later?

Only one segment. So we're going to start out with a little bit of fun and good news. and then I'm going to lay into Democratic leadership in the next segment. So there was a crime against Barbara Lee today, one of the top progressives in Congress. It was a political crime. I'm going to explain who done it and how they did it and the trick that they played. They all think they're so clever and the reality is that almost none of the rest of the media calls them out on it, so they do get away with it normally, and that's why we drive them crazy.

And we will continue to drive them crazy. I can barely contain my anger about that just enough to do the fun stories in the beginning. Man, young Turks, it's a ride. Okay. So Brett's going to present some stories and I'm going to present some stories. But before we go to the first one, actually, great news guys. At the end of yesterday's show, a couple of things happened. I was just about to do an interview with Colby Hall from Mediite.

He is the founding editor there. He's the editor today at Mediite and they cover a lot of the press and they're very influential. The rest of the press reads them and two different people bought Mediite packages through our Amplify program, which I absolutely love. And so I want to give them credit here. One was Shelton from Texas. Shelton is his last name and then we had Jade Hess who also bought a package for Mediite and that makes all the difference.

In fact, we gave it to Colby right after the interview. And we said, all of your reporters at Mediite. So you guys are amazing. You make a giant difference. Thank you for participating. TYT.com slash Amplify is how you see we're spreading the progressive message to the rest of the media and also to some politicians. And speaking of which, right after that, Caroline Wilson got a $5,000 package for the entire Bernie Sanders

team. What? That's awesome. So Caroline, you're awesome. And tomorrow I'm going to the Sanders Institute get together in Vermont where some of the very top progressives in the country will be. And Caroline, I'll tell them about you and how you got that package for them. And try to get as many of them to log in and start watching the show thanks to you.

So thank you, Caroline. And thank you to all of you who have participated in this program. And I read your names live on the air as we get them if you put in your first and last name. And we appreciate it. We call it amplified because this is how we want to spread the progressive message. Today there's news about how progressives got screwed in a Democratic leadership vote and almost no one else is talking about it, but we're going to talk about it. And for every person that you guys got packages to, so all those people at CNN, Chris Cuomo,

O'Brien Stelter, et cetera, all the people at Fox News, Laura Ingram, Tucker Carlson, Young Turks viewers got packages for all of them. Well, they will now all hear, at least maybe for the first time, the progressive position, the real progressive position. So the issue that progressives have with Nancy Pelosi is not that she's too liberal. That's a laughable position. It is that she is too much part of the establishment and the elite. So we will scream that from the rooftops.

CBS has also gotten a package. Chris Hayes at MSNBC has. So go to tuit.com slash amplify and see who you can spread the message to. And I keep a list with me of the people who got the packages for the different organizations. So for example, I was recently on reliable sources because of Sean Christopher. He got them a package, boom, I go on reliable sources. And Vanessa Abreu got one for Laura Ingram's show and then Laura Ingram. asked us to be honest.

So you're amazing, this is how we all do it together, and this is why we say we're not the young Turks, you're the young Turks, we're going to get that progressive message delivered to the rest of the media and the rest of the country, and it's going to be absolutely critical in the next two years because those fights are coming. I mean, I'm talking to reporters today, I'm seeing what's unfolding today, and you think this establishment is just going to say, oh, yeah, you're right, Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician, oh, you're right. Elizabeth Warren has a wonderful anti-corruption act.

Oh, you're right that some of the progressives are speaking out in wonderful, strong ways. No, they're going to fight Accio-Cortez. They're going to fight all those people. And we need to be there to fight back. And when I say we, I mean, yes, us here that work at the Young Turks and do this show for you. But yeah, also you guys. And we're trying to amplify your voice as well.

So thank you for participating in that. It's so often when you're in this line of work and you pay attention to political news, so seldom are you like, here's something I can do that's works. And I heard this idea and it was like, oh, we're going to give gifts to Fox News. And I was like, how is that going to work? Because I didn't know what the details of the idea were. And then as soon as I heard that we were giving membership packages to people, or buying memberships for people at Fox News, I was like,

that's the most amazing package gift ever. And to see that it immediately turns into like actually amplifying the message tangibly on the damage report we have this segment called it's working John does when it's just like we need to point out the things that are actually working This is actually working also just to announce we're now streaming the damage report to members Oh, that's a huge announcement. So that's a huge huge announcement members we've heard you. It is happening You if you are a member of TYT you get the live stream of the damage report every day. John Ida-Rola. So if you're not, by the way, t-y-t.com join to become a member of the Young Turks.

Slash Brett is also available. And I won't even bring up slash jank. I won't even bring it up, okay? So Brett not only is on air with us, but he also produces the damage report. So that's our morning show. And before it was for our cable outlets. But now it is, then we made the audio version of podcast that you can get on our app, but now it is fully available as video and audio for all members.

So please check that out and John has excellent guests on there. So it's the best interviews in the network, I'm so proud of that show. This morning we had Rokana on. Yeah, and Rokana was breathing fire. So check that out if you remember. One last thing, another person we have in the Amplifying program, Nancy Pelosi, and she apparently, in my opinion, does not understand the progressive message, believes she's as left as it gets as she fights against Medicare for all $15 minimum wage and all the things

that we care about. Do you think she's actually going to propose those things? I would be shocked. But maybe if we get her the message and she understands, oh, right, there's all these people that are online, that are our progressive base that voted for us who don't like it when we don't fight back. You know what she talked about today as they were voting for her for Speaker of the House within the Democratic Caucus?

She said, it is time now finally for bipartisanship. Oh, for Christ's sake. Okay, so t.yt.com slash Amplify. We get membership not only for Nancy Pelosi, but everyone on our staff or as to the best of our ability or your ability to afford it and us to get it to them. that at least someone in our office can understand what progressives actually care about. All right, thank you for participating. All right, now, speaking of that, let's go to a funny news story.

So lots of news out there about Fox News launching a new subscription service, hmm, subscription service, where have I heard that before, where they would have access to the hosts and and do some behind the scenes and extra content. Oh, right, right here, right? But it gets better. Now, how many times have you heard me say that QIT membership is like a progressive Netflix? So, the New York Times does this. Here's their headline.

Netflix for conservatives? Fox News introduces Fox Nation a streaming app. Okay. Now, did New York Times write an article about us? No, no, right wing. Oh, right wing, right wing, we're not liberal media. We're not in the liberal media. What would you like in there?

Okay, young Turks, oh, you've been doing this for a long time? Yeah, it's progressives, okay? So anyway, that's my anger at the New York Times that almost never covers the left. Their idea of the left is Steny Hoyer and what kind of bipartisan deal he's going to do with Donald Trump. Anyway, so, but let's be fair. We're now we're going to cover Fox's offering too because, you know, we want to present you with all the options, okay? So what shows do they have? They have cooking with Steve Ducey.

I can't wait. This is the rival programming to the happy half hour. That's right. Brett hosts the happy half hour for the young Turks. And that is drinking with Brett, basically. We're drinking with Malcolm this week. Okay, yeah, drink with a lot of progressives, which I think is a little bit better than cooking with Steve Ducey.

Then Brian Kilmeet has a program about history. Really? You're going to be shocked at what it's called. It's called What Made America Great? Okay, and he said, oh, no, it has nothing to do with Donald Trump. And then he climbed Mount Rushmore with Donald Trump's Interior Secretary, Ryan Zinke. Okay. The show's called What Made America Great?

He said, Trump, who I love and say, talk about on the air all the time. It's got another to do with Trump. I'm just doing history. I'm just doing history. Okay. And by the way, you know one of the first episodes was at Andrew Jackson's house. Andrew, to be more accurate, Andrew Jackson's plantation. And that is Donald Trump's favorite president.

Why? Because Andrew Jackson was a barbarian who slaughtered the Native Americans. And apparently that's what made America great, okay? So you learn that on a box news. But the one that really, I couldn't, after all this, I'm still too naive. I couldn't believe they're doing this show, The Furman Diaries. Are you kidding me? That's Mark Furman, who during the O.J. Simpson trial, it was exposed as a vicious racist.

I mean, we have video, I mean, we have audio recordings of him saying that black people are the N-word over and over, and how he would abuse them on purpose. They celebrate Mark Furman, and he gave him a show. I mean, they're just when I think they can't get any worse. They're like, oh, yeah? How about a guy who's famous for kicking the living crap out of innocent African Americans, the Furman Diaries. Up next, Notes with Goebbels.

So you've said the fake joke names, Jank. What are the real names of the show? When I saw those, I was like, okay, I had to double check to make sure it wasn't an onion article because they were just so very on the notes. Like that, and when I saw cooking with Steve Ducey, actually that was the one where I thought to myself, that is his element. Like, that is what Steve Ducey should probably be doing because when he tries to relate, like, actual news, he is doing it as though he is hosting a morning cooking show. Yeah. What do they do?

Like, because, you know how Tucker Carlson claimed that tacos were not Mexican, that they were just purely American? I don't know. Do they like, do they exclude ethnic food? Do they put, is it all just like nonstop, you know, mashed potatoes? They're invading my kitchen. Right. So, I don't know. Right, it's just, yeah, mashed potatoes, gravy.

Today on Fox News, how to make turkey sandwiches on white bread with tons of mayonnaise. Joining us, of course, for the white bread, Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson. Okay. So, it gets better, or worse. Anyway, so now look, progressive Netflix, let me go to video one here. I mean, you've heard me say it a thousand times, but in case you haven't, here's me saying it way earlier before this was, Fox Nation was described as conservative Netflix, watch. Thank you, Johnny, and t.yt.com slash join.

Look, you get all, it's basically a progressive Netflix. You get all the progressive shows you could want, both podcasts, And video. Okay, by the way, t.wit.com slash join to become a member. Okay. So you can drink with Brent. And we've got the new morning show now, damage report with John Iderola, et cetera, check it out. But anyway, but they're not done just copying us on that.

One of their slogans is, feeling left out. Get it like left, a pun on left. Where have I seen a pun with left before? Oh, here's our slogan for the camp membership drive. Be on the left side of history. This is exactly what they would do. Like, I used to work in kind of, you know, digital media as it applies to conventional media. Like, that's what I was doing, their attempt, as opposed to here where it's like, this is what we're doing.

They do, they explicitly do research on the Young Turks. They say we want this kind of thing. They, like, if you're saying, maybe it's just a coincidence, no, take it for me. These are exactly what are in the packets that they distribute in their focus group meetings. In, like, imagine, like, a giant conference room where everyone's got, like, this amazing spread of croissants and donuts in the middle and cold cuts. And they sit around and they pass out and they go through examples of what is working, what is recognized and unrecognized, and they are not going to admit what actually

works to save their life. They will 100% deny to their death that they look at these things, but they absolutely do distribute information because they have to. It's their due diligence, and their due diligence would absolutely yield exactly these things. And another little caveat, those folks are not exactly the most creative individuals. So they will absolutely mimic whatever it is to something as transparent as the words in the slogans for the membership drives. Yeah.

But, Brett, you know, to be fair to Fox News, I actually don't, I'm not sure that they would deny it as much as the rest of the media does. Really? Like if you said to the guys who work the digital sign of Fox News, hey, did you guys do research on the Young Turks? If you ask them in private, I'm almost certain they would say yes. If you ask them publicly, they might say they don't really care that much. Whereas if you ask the New York Times, do you think Fox News might have copied the Young

Turks? I do declare, I think not, please. One is on television and we write about all the time. Right, but they won't even acknowledge that what they're doing is desperately trying to get some kind of foot in the door that, you know, basically TYT created into the room that TYT created years ago. And look, I'm, we're over the top on it, so let me be honest with you about, like, and I kid around on the show and go, I'm better man, right?

And what am I bitter about here? Well, look, when Fox launches this app, they get, and ironically, we're doing it here to some degree, but millions upon millions of dollars in free media, as every single person covers that. And how about the people who invented the idea, originated the idea? No, no, no, no, no, you don't get any free coverage because you're not part of the club. So that's the reality of it. That's what, part of the reason why I get frustrated at the mainstream media, who generally

have great disdain for progressives and online community, but we'll celebrate when a television station does something online. They're like somebody does something online organically, whoa, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Look at that TV dabbling and online. That's so innovative. Because they have to. Because they have to sanction. They have the monolith that as the way it has to be to save their own skins.

Because that is the future. That is how they save their own jobs in the long run. They can't be, listen, I have to leave here and go someplace else. It's I have to turn into what works without admitting that it's better. All right. Last couple of things here. I want to thank people who participated in our Amplify program, and I do this all the time. But in this case, I might also blame you.

Emily Ip bought a package of Young First membership for Tucker Carlson earlier in the campaign. And Vanessa Brew bought one for Laura Ingram. I mentioned Vanessa a lot because then Laura invited us on our show, which was good of them. But maybe they got the membership and they're like, oh. I'm kidding, guys. I'm kidding. They launched it. They had plans for this a long time ago. Do you think ideas like cooking with Ducey just happen overnight?

No, it takes years and years of focus groups and recipe testing. Yeah, they had to let it marinate. Okay. That was a really good one.com slash Amplify to spread our message to others in the media. And last one is, I mentioned we started in the beginning with, hey, we do behind the scenes for our members. Jesse Waters is planning a behind the scenes supplement. Okay, come on. Okay, just any bounds of reason?

Soon they'll be doing segments. We have, you know, no filter with Anna Casparian. They'll be like, I don't know, filter with Laura Ingram. I cannot withhold. I cannot bridle my disdain for Jesse Waters. He makes my skin crawl. Like trying to watch his, and for those of you who are wondering, They will also offer a backlog of Jesse Waters' Man on the Street videos like he used to do, like the exact ones he used to do for the O'Reilly Factor.

And if you just want to, it is a bunch of nothings, it's a bunch of setups with no punchlights followed by clips from 20th century Fox movies. So it'll be like, hey, what do you think about progressives? They're weird, right? Someone will go, yeah, right. And then it'll just be like, you know, milk was a bad choice. And that's it. It's so bad. Okay, well, you have that to look forward to, apparently.

Okay, so we're gonna take a quick break here. If you like Angry Shank, well, you're gonna wanna come back after the break, embrace for impact. So what they did to a progressive hero today, I thought was unconscionable in the Democratic caucus. We'll talk about it when we were done. All right, back on a young Turks, wonderful news for you guys before the anchor. I'm going to read some of the Amplifying names here, and we got a fun surprise then. Hot Carl Marx from Las Vegas.

That's their member name. Hot Carl Marks. Okay. Bought $150, and that's three memberships to journalism students. Like I said, we've been talking to journalism schools throughout the country. We need to talk about a relatively new show called Un-F-The Republic, or UNFTR. As a Young Turks fan, you already know that the government, the media, and corporations are constantly peddling lies that serve the interests of the rich and powerful. But now there's a podcast dedicated to unraveling those lies, debunking the conventional wisdom.

In each episode of Un-B-The Republic or UNFTR, the host delves into a different historical episode or topic that's generally misunderstood or purposely obfuscated by the so-called powers that be, featuring in-depth research, razor sharp commentary, and just the right amount of vulgarity, the UNFTR podcast takes a sledgehammer to what you thought you knew about some of the nation's most sacred historical cows. But don't just take my word for it. The New York Times described UNFTR as consistently compelling and educational, aiming to challenge conventional wisdom and upend the historical narratives that were taught in school. For as the great philosopher Yoda once put it,

you must unlearn what you have learned. And that's true whether you're in Jedi training or you're uprooting and exposing all the propaganda and disinformation you've been fed over the course of your lifetime. So search for UNFDR in your podcast app today and get ready to get informed, angered, and entertained all at the same time. Country and they're psyched to be able to give away. membership to their students so that they get a different perspective on the news.

And I love that you guys are doing that. And then one of the folks who bought from the media package is her name on our members' site is trans girls are magic. So I love that, okay? How's this for a progressive show? Right? And Thomas Kennedy from Viewer Beach, Florida. Thank you, Thomas.

You guys will all be getting a shirt. In fact, we're doing a contest for the shirt that I want to tell you about in a second. And then Caroline Wilson did the Bernie Sanders package, as I told you in the last segment. Thank you, Caroline. Victor Beers from Wisconsin, 150 bucks, gets a t-shirt. And then just now, David Shats from Castro Valley, California, bought the package for Chris Matthews. Hardball. So his entire team and Chris Matthews himself will be getting Young Turks membership, which

is kind of awesome. So great. If Chris Matthews starts podcasting the Young Turks, it's got the TYT app, he's listening in the car. You know how much spittle will come out on him? Hey, man, he will be wonderfully furious. That's like half the fun is just picturing Chris Matthews going, that's a good, good punch, That's a good pun, real good pun, Jake.

Herba. Okay. TYt.com slash Amplify to participate in that. You guys are the best. In fact, let me go to the poll real quick because we're asking you guys to participate by picking the Amplified T-shirt. So we've got some candidates. Do we have those up?

Are those ready yet? Or should I do it in the next segment? Next segment? Sorry, all right. Don't worry, guys. We'll show them in the next segment. I love a bunch of the options there. And then you guys are going to vote.

That's going to be the exclusive t-shirt for this campaign, which I will then wear for the next decade. Okay, at least. All right, so now finally let's get to the anchor, okay. So today they had a vote within the Democratic caucus for leadership, and some parts were enormously uninteresting. The number two and number three positions were Steny Hoyer and Jim Clyburn, and they were not challenged, although Steny Hoyer definitely should have been challenged.

And so they won by acclamation. Nancy Pelosi was being challenged, but only from the right wing. So that was already bad enough, I'm gonna explain that in a second. But then the progressives were absolutely screwed in another vote that I'm gonna explain as well. But first, let's start with Nancy Pelosi. She won within the caucus, 203 to 32, so that seems like a crushing victory. But no, the problem is she needs at least 16 to 17 votes more to stay with her. Otherwise, some of the right-wing Democrats could vote with the Republicans, and then you would

have a Republican Speaker of the House. Now, I don't know if they'll go that far, because my God, the anger would be record-breaking. It would be unthinkable. But I don't know if they're going to try to force a vote on someone else. that's in the Democratic Party, but they're pushing her to the right. And unfortunately, it is working. There are several different factions. One of us is called the Problem Solvers Caucus.

They like to solve problems for their donors. Okay, so, and there was nine of them, and they were trying to withhold their votes, and Nancy Pelosi gave them concessions. As the New York Times explains, after painstaking negotiations that stretched into the wee hours of Wednesday morning, Ms. Pelosi struck a deal with the problem solvers caucus who had withheld their support until they secured changes they said would break partisan gridlock by empowering lawmakers who forge bipartisan compromises. Here's the translation of that.

A small group of Democrats will break off from the Democratic Party and vote with the Republicans to give corporate donors whatever they want. Now if they did not get these agreements, they would not be able to do that. But now they could work with Republicans to screw us over. So now I regret not more forcefully asking for a challenge of Nancy Pelosi from the left. So the left is always too nice. Oh, well, Nancy Pelosi, you know, she's been in charge for all this time, doing basically nothing but collecting money, but a lot of people owe her favors because she may raise

money for their campaigns and she's being challenged from the right, so we should rally to her defense. No, we should have challenged her from the left. If you weren't going to do Nancy Pelosi, and this, by the way, it's also my mistake. I should have pushed forward. I should have rallied you guys to try to make this happen. Why is Steny Hoyer, one of the most right-wing guys in the House, number two, in charge of the Democrats?

We should have challenged him, I don't care who it is, just go, of course I care deeply that it's a progressive. I mean, among the true progressives in the House. Instead, the left wing got very little, the right-wing got concessions. usual Washington, but I haven't gotten to the worst part. So the worst part is Barbara Lee was running for caucus chair, and so this is the position Joe Crowley had until Alexandria Ocasier-Cortez beat him in what was considered a stunning upset.

Now, if you watched the young Turks, it wasn't that stunning to you, and you were familiar with her, and a lot of you, thank you for volunteering for campaign, donating, et cetera, may that happen. So, well, a progressive should get that seat. That makes all the sense of the world. There's no other strong progressives in democratic leadership. Well, lucky for us, Barbara Lee was running. In fact, let's go to Graphic 19.

So she's been in Congress for a long time, and she's proven herself. Barbara Lee was the sole vote against authorization of military force after the 9-11 attacks. Now, everybody else cowered and said, oh, no, no, we have to give the president carte blanche. She voted no, not because she wasn't horrified by what happened in 9-11. She said at the time they will overuse this. We have used it in 20 different countries, 20 different countries, 19 of which did not attack us on 9-11. Barbara Lee was 100% right.

So there's a strong progressive. We never had an African-American woman in democratic leadership ever. Isn't that amazing? So it's a perfect opportunity. They were running Linda Sanchez against her, and I'll tell you what happened to Linda Sanchez in a second. Linda Sanchez is more of a right-wing Democrat. And they realized, oops, we're gonna lose.

There's too many new progressives that came into the house. So they pulled Linda Sanchez, and they did a cute little trick, they put in Hakim Jeffries. Now, Hakeem Jeffries is also African American, and he's considered progressive. I'm gonna show you videos in a second, you're gonna get to make up your own mind. So that when progressives get angry as they did today, and as I did today, the establishment go on social media and go, how dare you? Hakeem Jeffries is a wonderful progressive, and he's also African American, and ha ha, we tricked you.

We knew the real right-winger. Would you be pushing for things like single-payer? We knew the real right-winger Linda Sanchez couldn't win, so we snuck in someone more right-wing than Barbara Lee, because we can't have a real progressive. We just cannot ever, ever, ever have a real progressive and democratic leadership. So let me show you what happened with Linda Sanchez, and I want to show you clips from Hakeem Jeffries. This was a little while back.

California Representative Linda Sanchez, as roll call reported, is dropping out of the race for Democratic Caucus Chair, citing an unexpected family matter that requires her attention. Wow, okay, I guess she's dropping out of Congress, right, because she's got a family matter, she's got a rush to, and probably really serious. No, she's not dropping out of Congress. Well, she's dropping everything else she's doing, right? No, she's not dropping anything else. It's a family matter that is specifically contained to running for Democratic caucus chair.

Now, get a load of this coincidence. Sanchez's announcement comes the same day as New York Representative Hakeem Jeffries entered the race. Really? Huh. What an incredible coincidence. Or perhaps Linda Sanchez was lying, and so, and this is important, so is Democratic leadership that played this trick in the first.

place, why they could hide behind identity, and then they could go and use that even though we are supporting one of the strongest progressives in Congress. No, no, no, no, no, we can't have it. So now a lot of people, like I said, social media, go, how dare you, Jake? Hakeem Jeffrey's just perfectly progressive. Well, okay, it's a good thing, he's on television because he's running for this, so you tell me if you think he's perfectly progressive. We know the progressive position is Medicare for all.

So Sakeem Jeffrey is interested in single-payer? Let's find out. Would you be pushing for things like single-payer, more of the progressive agenda? Well, I'm a pragmatic progressive. I think that we all want to move toward universality of health care coverage. But we have to start by strengthening the Affordable Care Act, by lowering the high cost of prescription drugs, and by making sure that we can protect people with pre-existing conditions. Those were our promises to the electorate.

That's what helped us win the majority. We've got to fight for the people, specifically on the issues that we have discussed with the American people as part of our closing argument. In other words, that's a hell to the no. No, we are not going to do single payer. We're going to fight for people with preexisting conditions. What do you mean? That's the status quo. That's Obamacare.

Oh, wow. The Democrats have gathered up to courage to fight for the status quo. Oh, my God, profiling courage. My bad, I didn't know Hakeem Jeffries was that progressive. Okay, so well, how about the wall? I mean, this is a layup, the Trump wall. You're against that, right? I mean, and you're gonna come out on fire on the wall.

It's a layup. It's the wall, Trump's wall. Let's see how he does on a layup. Donald Trump wants to fund his border wall. I would make the argument that the images down there that we're seeing in Tijuana are the images that he would want to see in order to back him up in this fight for his border wall. Is there any deal that you can make with him for that? Is it a deal for DACA? Anything that you can do that would give him some funding for that wall? Well, I think that's a discussion for all of us

as a caucus to have as it relates to the right. Running for a leadership position. Well, listen, I think don't we deserve your opinion? Well, certainly. I think, listen, you know, there are serious decisions that are going to have to be made with respect to issues that involve a possible government shutdown. And I think that we have to have a consensus. position. Yeah, let me translate for you. First of all, while it's negotiable, okay, look, but if you were to say, as Katie Turr asked, and it's a good question, hey, could you make any deal where, like, at least you get DACA,

because the Democrats still haven't gotten DACA. His answer was actually worse. His answer is, well, if there's a government shutdown, we'd have to see what, you know, we negotiate. Trump is threatening a government shutdown. So what he's saying is, if Trump makes that threat, we're gonna buckle. We're gonna buckle. I'm gonna go and talk to my corporate right wing democratic friends, and they're gonna tell

me, don't shut the government down, don't shut it, but Trump would be shutting it down. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, whatever you do, my donors need it, need it, need it, need it. So give them the wall, give them anything, don't ask for DACA. And by the way, that's not an exaggeration. That's what they did last time. Trump threatened to shut down the government, and they said we wouldn't want DACA in return. said, no, you'll get nothing. And the Democrat said, yes, sir, absolutely, sir, yes, sir, do we have DACA or don't we have DACA?

Do we have DACA? We do not. They buckled last time, Hakeem Jeffries just promised you this time, they're going to buckle again. That's why he was elected. And they voted down Barbara Lee. They denied her that leadership role so they could put Hakeem Jeffries in there to buckle to Donald Trump.

Welcome to the new Democratic majority. And, I mean, Hakeem Jeffries is also, in terms of telling himself a pragmatic progressive, that it seems like code for I'm not a progressive. This is my way of saying the word progressive in a sentence describing myself while simultaneously winking at the people who I am absolutely appeasing in every other part of that interview. Every single part of that interview. You heard Chuck Schumer yesterday and today, he said, I'm not going to negotiate in public. What did you hear in that interview?

I'm not going to negotiate in public. Those are the exact same words. And then on the campaign trail, I believe he said of Bernie Sanders, he is a gun-loving socialist. He's no true friend to blacks, I saw that as a quote. Jesus Christ, man. So there you go. Just to give you an idea of something that I would say most progress, some person that most progressives, true progressives actually do rally around.

So if you're saying, like, what the true? So you have the pragmatic progressive, which it's very pragmatic for him to distance himself from progressives as you saw today versus the actual progressives, the people who are rallying around things that most people actually agree with. Medicare for all, more than half the country supports that. That's it. Yeah, they robbed Barbara Lee today. All those years of service, doing all the right things, but the problem was she was with

the people and they couldn't stand it. So look at what Brett's saying. Bernie Sanders is not only the most popular politician in the country, he's the most popular Democrat. Most popular Democrat. And they say, no, Hakeem Jeffries is wonderfully progressive. He thinks that Bernie Sanders is unacceptable. How is that progressive?

How is that progressive? How is that progressive? Okay, put that aside. Medicare for all, I'm pragmatic. What do you mean? It's a 70% approval rating. 52% of Republicans wanted, over 84% of Democratic voters wanted. How is it pragmatic to be against 80% of Democratic voters?

How's that pragmatic? How is that pragmatic? No, no, no, pragmatic means I am corrupt. I like taking donor money, I like taking it from the healthcare industry, and all my other friends in the Democratic Party are also corrupt, and they like taking money from the donors, in this case, the healthcare industry. So we're going to pragmatically continue our corruption, and I wonder why we lost elections, like we lost Donald Trump, because he at least pretended to be a populist.

While you guys weren't around, we were very pragmatic, we give the donors everything they want. If you wanted pragmatic, you would have supported Barbara Lee. We just won the elections based on progressive platforms. That is pragmatic, that's what got you the majority. But immediately betrayal, immediately. But to be fair, it's not even betrayal. And that's a strong word, I have no problem with saying strong words, as you can tell, right? But it's not, we knew, I'm reminded of Dennis Green.

The Democrats are who we thought they were, right? So, and that's the corporate Democrats, look, the good news is, and I'll end on a high note here, Barbara Lee's in the house, and now she's pissed, rightfully so, and every progressive that supported her is pissed, and we've got real progressives in the house, it's not like the old days where they play these parlor games and nobody would call them out. Accio Cortez is their Rashida, Talib, Ilhan, Omar, Ayanna, Presley, Rokana, et cetera. And the list goes on. They're there and they're gonna fight back.

So if they think they're gonna play these cute games for two years, they got another thought coming to them. So we see you, it's clear as day. Everyone in Washington will give you a nice tap on the ass today and go, oh, good job, good job, way to trick everybody, nobody caught on, nobody caught on, right? Nobody on TV's talking about it. No, almost no one else in the press is talking about it. I got bad news for you. We caught on, and so did every progressive in Washington.

And guess what? Now, those progressives are in the house. They're in your house. You know why? Because it's our house. And we're not anywhere near done. You keep running these games. We're going to keep primering the living hell out of all of you.

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afterwards, and then we've got extra coverage, extended coverage, for Young Turks members. So in order to watch at Facebook.com slash the Young Turks for the Town Hall that everybody will get to see if they're watching through us. And as usual, it's not on TV, but we are carrying it because we're home of progressives. And then if you want to get the extra extended coverage, t-y-t.com slash join to become a member. Okay, let me read a couple of member comments, and then we'll go to the next story. Smooth rights, and a lot of backroom deals going on, and it does say a lot that nobody challenged Pelosi. So unfortunately, that is true from the left. Riftmaster says, I know it cut into the majority, but in my opinion, those 16 to 18 Democrats or whatever,

should stop pretending and go be Republicans. So look, on a day like this, especially when we're angry, it's easy to say go, you know, F off. But it is more nuanced than that. So I wouldn't want them becoming Republicans and they do vote with Democrats some of the time. And look, they're conservative economically because they want to give the donors everything they want. at least they don't hate black people and gay people. So I wouldn't want him joining the Republican Party, which does.

Okay, so anyway, Nostra Science says, have a progressive Democrat selected right now as the shadow house speaker. Be progressive and policy drafting active, vocal pressuring, and ready to replace her through that focal point person when Nancy Pelosi proves once again to be right of center, inert or even worse. Look, I don't know that anybody in Washington is going to go that far, but I do know that at some point, the progressives in the Democratic caucus will say, enough is enough. We're not going along with this.

And I know some of those folks, they're not going to go along with it. They're just not. Everybody expects, no, if we give you a committee assignment, you'll play ball. They're not going to play ball. They're going to fight back. For the first time ever, you're going to have real progressive fighters inside Congress. And it's going to be an amazing thing to behold. and the Democratic leadership will lose their minds.

They're getting along okay now, but I can't imagine that when they play this lukewarm horse crap, that people like Ocasio-Cortez and Roe Conner are going to be like, oh, we're protecting the status quo with pre-existing conditions. Great. They're not going to say that. It's not going to happen. So they'll fight, and that fight will be fascinating and we'll be here to cover it. All right, Brett, what's next?

Speaking of fascinating, you don't deserve to hear all. You deserve better than to hear this interview. We're going to hear it anyway. Okay, so Donald Trump sat down with a reporter from the Washington Post named Philip Rucker for a 20-minute interview. And Washington Post turned around and just printed a verbatim transcript, essentially, of what went down between the two of them. And we have choice excerpts for you right now. One of the issues that they covered was the Fed, because while Trump sees a lot of jobs disappear at places like Ford and GM as a response to his tariff war, he likes to blame things on the Federal Reserve for raising interest rates. Here's how he outlines that.

I'm doing deals, and I'm not being accommodated by the Fed. They're making a mistake because I have a gut, and my gut tells me more sometimes than anybody else's brain can ever tell me. Well, I just want to support Donald Trump for a second there, because his gut does tell him more than anyone else's brain can tell him, right? He doesn't listen to anybody else, so that part is true. I'm picturing Krang from Teenage Mutiny Ninja Turtles, like a brain with a mouth in like a large robot, is being like, bray, I'm a brain telling you things. Yeah, it reminds me of total recall.

Turn off the reactor. That's what my guts tell me. God's tell me. All right, anyway, you remember when Albert Einstein said, what's a brain good for anyway? Just go with my gut. Oh, right, no, he didn't say that. That's right. Okay.

Here he's talked specifically about Jay Powell, who runs the Fed. He says, so far I'm not even a little bit happy with my selection of Jay because he did choose Powell, not even a little bit. And I'm not blaming anybody, but I'm just telling you, I think that the Fed is way off base with what they're doing. So two things about this. He does what I do tongue in cheek, but seriously. Like I say on the show all the time, I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying, right?

He literally said, I'm not blaming anybody, goddamn Jay Powell, I don't, I'm not happy with him even a little bit, not even a little bit. No, you just blamed him. What do you mean you're not blaming anybody? You just blamed him. Later he went on to blame, of course, the Democrats and China for the economic downturn while saying I'm not blaming anybody. Now, why is he blaming the Federal Reserve?

He's overheating the economy because he's spending a ton of money, and he did a giant tax cut, and the economy was already booming under Obama. So what the Fed is logically doing is raising interest rates a little bit so that we don't get runaway inflation. But when you raise interest rates a little bit, what it does is it increases the cost of borrowing, which slows down business a little bit, which is exactly what you want to do. Otherwise, you're going to get the inflation, right? But Trump, he doesn't listen to his own brain, he listens to, what is it guy, quato?

Quato, what is it? Quato from Total Recall, correct? Yes, okay. So, he's like, well, I don't like it. I don't like it even a little bit. What's he doing over there at the Fed? He's doing something logical, even though you selected him, which is a minor miracle, okay? But what does he want to do?

He wants the market to keep going up, up, up, up, so I could go out to my rallies, and see, the market's going up. But you idiot, at some point, if it does that, it's going to crash. But of course, he's too stupid to realize that. In fact, Jay Powell's trying to help him avoid the crash, but Trump's too dumb to realize it. He covered other subjects in this interview, including that of climate change. Just sit down and get comfortable for this one. One of the problems that a lot of people like myself, we have very high levels of intelligence,

but we're not necessarily such believers. You look at our air and our water, and it's right now at a record clean. Oh, okay. Well, he does have high levels of intelligence fairly. When you look at China and you look at parts of Asia and when you look at South America and when you look at many other places in this world, including Russia, including just many other places, obviously ran out of countries, he knows. The air is incredibly dirty.

And when you're talking about an atmosphere, oceans are very small. What? What is that? He just called oceans small. That is the word for the largest bodies of water we have oceans. We have tons of other names for bodies of water of various sizes. You got ponds, you got lake, you got great lakes. You have oceans, there's nothing bigger than oceans, but he just said they're small.

I don't get it because I do remember him saying during the hurricane in Puerto Rico, Puerto Rico is an island surrounded by big water, ocean water. So it's weird that he's backtracking now, and apparently ocean water is not big water. But to be fair to him, he's among the people that are highly intelligent. He just flip-flopped on the size of oceans. I mean, yeah. He flipped-flopped on whether oceans are large. Okay, there's more to that quote.

Thank God. Yeah, no, he says, and it blows over and it says. sails over. What? So this is about the dirty air. It blows over and it sails over. I mean, we take thousands of tons of garbage off our beaches all the time that comes over from Asia.

It just flows right down the Pacific. It flows. And we say, where does this come from? And it takes many people to start off with. Like, this gives me panic attacks. That's our president. That's the most powerful man on earth. That's the commander in chief.

He can't put together a sentence. I mean, I don't, normally we break it down, but how do you break down? You look at our air and our water and it's right now at a record clean, at a record clean. What is a record clean? What is that of air and water? Like the scientist tested it, oh my God, Donald Trump is right. It is record clean. Can we bring out the Giddest book of record cleans?

Just to check, just to make sure our facts are straight. And he says, I mean, who says about himself? A lot of people like myself, we have very high levels of intelligence. But we're not- Like, if that was a person in your real life, would you be friends with him? If some guy, hey, you're at dinner and he goes, like people like myself, we're very highly intelligent. You'd be like, okay, I'm done here, let's wrap it up, I'll pay the bill, I just, I gotta

I mean, who is this guy, right? It's not even tongue in cheek, it's not a cute humble brag. He's never heard of a humble brag. He's like, why would you do that? I do strong brags, I don't do humble brags. My brags are very strong and big like the ocean. Oh, no, wait, the ocean's now small, okay, so are my brags. He'll flip-flop on anything.

All right, who thinks he's taking care of the environment? How monstrously stupid do you have to be to think that this guy has brought you record clean? Here is his doubling down on raking the forests in Finland. He says a lot of the trees, they look tremendous. They took tremendous burn at the bottom, but they didn't catch on fire. The bottom is all burned, but they didn't catch on fire because they sucked the water. They're wet. I'm sad we didn't have chamber music playing behind this during, just like the most hoity-toity

music as we went through the musings of Donald Trump. Yeah, maybe it's some sort of deaf jam poetry and we're not getting it. Okay, or, or if that was, let's be fair, a seventh grade book report, you would fail it. Every teacher in the country would fail it. I'm not saying third grade. Third grade, there's some misspellings and there's some, you know, it's hard to follow sometimes. Seventh grade, I'm failing that paper in a second. Any self-respecting English teacher would.

I don't understand. And then finally on Khashoggi, he said, he mentioned that again, and said maybe he did about MBS. Maybe he did and maybe he didn't, Trump says, but he denies it and people around him deny it. And the CIA did not say affirmatively he did it either, by the way. I'm not saying that they're saying he didn't do it, but they didn't say it affirmatively. It's just another rambling thing. Yeah, at least I understand what he's saying there.

Right. He's saying like, look, the CIA says he did it, but I don't want to say he did it. So I asked him, are you absolutely positive? Are you 100% sure? And they didn't say they were 100% sure, good enough, let's keep doing business with Saudi Arabia. Right, but like what if they said I'm 97.9% sure because that's how the scientific community is on climate change, and he still denies the hell out of that.

Well, he certainly would. And now I have two more from that interview, which I found to be interesting, and the last one is the best one. So, and it's going to relate back to the Federal Reserve. But first on the Middle East, now the one thing you've got to give Trump credit for is he accidentally tells us what U.S. foreign policy has been, but we're supposed to use code words and stuff. But he's not bright enough to use code words. So he says, now are we going to stay in that part of the world referring to the Middle East? One reason, two, is Israel. Okay, I'm not sure we're supposed say that a lot of times people do say that, right? But I think we're supposed to do foreign policy

for us and not for another country. Like, it would be weird, for example, if you said, like, I'm not sure we should stay in the Middle East, but France wants us to, so we're going to. And that's also his argument for pulling funding from other countries. He's like, what does this benefit us? How does this benefit us? It doesn't. Yeah. But to be fair to him, a lot of politicians say that in this case. And Israel is, at least in the Middle East, ostensibly to protect them, although they're the mightiest military in the Middle East by an order of magnitude, which we have funded to the tune of billions of dollars. But okay, let's put that aside.

This is the more interesting part. He said, oil is becoming less and less of a reason because we're producing more oil now than we've ever produced. So you know, all of a sudden it gets to a point where you don't have to stay there. But remember, Donald, all the politicians, including the Republicans, were pretending that we went to the Middle East to liberate them. Remember, we were gonna bring them democracy. That's why we went.

We went because of weapons of mass destruction. We went because some guy that Saddam Hussein once knew met some other guy in Czechoslovakia, none of which was true, okay? So we didn't go to take their oil. And so when you now say like, I don't know if we have to stay in the Middle East anymore because we don't need their oil, oops, you weren't supposed to say that out loud. Yeah, and a number of years ago it came to light that he essentially said when we went into the Middle East, we should just have all the oil.

Just had that will be our oil now after- Not only did they say that during the campaign, you're absolutely right, Brett, but a recent new story came out over the weekend where he apparently had a call with the Prime Minister of Iraq said, why don't you just give us your oil? And everyone on the U.S. side was like, we thought you were just doing like populist crap on the campaign trail. You can't just tell another country, why don't you just let me steal your natural resources? And then H.R. McMaster, who was his national security advisor, tried to correct him.

And HR McMaster is no longer his national security advisor, okay? Yeah. And then, but here comes my favorite, because this is back to fun. So he was considering Jay Powell for the position. He said, you know, other people advised him, but he wasn't sure, but he's not blaming anyone, right? But he was apparently even considered keeping Janet Yellen, who was appointed by Obama. Apparently the interview went really well, and she impressed him, I don't know how she did that, but bless her heart, okay?

But there was one problem, and it led to Donald Trump deciding not to rehire Janet Yellen for the head of the Federal Reserve. I'm quoting now the Washington Post. The president also appeared hung up on Yellen's height. He told aides on the National Economic Council on several occasions that the five foot three inch economists was not tall enough to lead the central bank, quizzing them on whether they agreed, current and former officials said. You must be this tall to manage the Federal Reserve.

Yeah, she's apparently having troubles getting on roller coaster rides and as being the head of the Federal Reserve. What kind of a moron makes decisions on who should lead our economy based on how tall they are? I mean, look, I know we got used to it, but he is stunningly stupid, stunningly stupid. one of the dumbest guys I have ever seen in my entire life in the public sphere or anywhere else. Like I said, if I met him in real life, and he's like, oh, I was going to hire someone great

for my company, but they were five foot three. I'd be like, okay, I'm done with you, I'm never going to do business with you, and you're one of the dumbest people I've ever met. And he's doing that for the head of the Federal Reserve. If you are a fan of Donald Trump, I feel so sorry for you that you think this guy is smart. I mean, you want to talk about records. You break every record for stupidity if this is your idea of smart. It's crazy.

Moving on? Yep. All right. So Paul Manafort's lawyer is now on record as having talked to Trump's legal team. They are sharing information about what's happening with the Mueller investigation. That broke earlier today and yesterday. What kinds of stuff is being shared between the Manafort team and the Trump team? For example, says the New York Times, Mr. Giuliani reports that Mr. Manafort's lawyer, Kevin M. Downing, told him that prosecutors hammered away at whether the president knew about the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting, where Russians promised to deliver damaging information on Hillary Clinton to his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr.

The president has long denied knowing about the meeting in advance. He wants Manifort to incriminate Trump, Mr. Giuliani declared of Mueller. So that's the kind of information that they are sharing back and forth. This is actually a legal thing that people do when they are involved in similar defenses to an ongoing investigation or prosecution. And so what is your takeaway from hearing that these two parties are talking to each other? Well, so two takeaways.

One is obviously Manafort never intended to cooperate with the special counsel. And he was just gathering information and relaying it on to Donald Trump in an effort to get a pardon, most obvious thing in the world, and Donald Trump is, as you're going to see in a second, saying, yeah, maybe. But the problem is that they were laying into Donald Trump, who can't shut his mouth. So he started going around and saying, oh, you know, you wouldn't believe the stories from inside Mueller's investigation. And so Mueller was like, what do you mean insider investigation, right?

And then he started telling details of what they were asking Manafort for. And then the special counsel figured out, oh, Manafort's lawyer is talking to Trump. So they're like, okay, the deal's off, you're a liar, we're going to throw you in jail for a long, long time. So he has no sophistication at all, Donald Trump. If he did, he would have kept that basically mole inside the special counsel's office for as long as he possibly could to milk more information out. Right. And usually what happens in these situations, as has been reported, is it's totally common for there to be these kinds of pacts between defunds. defense teams. But usually when one of the people in that pact turned states evidence, they step

out of that pact. That's what happened with Flynn when Flynn turned and started working with the government. That is when he said, listen, I'm out. And that was kind of the signal that we saw that kind of tipped the hat that Flynn was about to flip. And in this situation, he just was like, I'm going to have it all kinds of ways. Despite what was happening, it's been reported in the actual pact itself that, or in the plea deal that Manafort had, where it was preserved that despite whatever happens with a pardon, a potential pardon that Trump hands over to Manafort, they were still going to, regardless of his conviction stands or his deal stands, they would still take all of his money. And in this situation, my question is if the plea deal has fallen

apart, as we see that it has, does the part where they confiscate all his money also stand? Or does it revert back to a situation where now he goes back and he faces his however many charges, he's got two charges of conspiracy, eight charges of financial fraud. If he, after having related the kinds of questions that are going to be asked to Trump and all the ways that the Mueller is going about that kind of stuff, does he now go back to the same position where he faces a potential prosecution, conviction, sentencing, confiscation of his funds, and then a pardon that since the plea deal has been dissolved, absolves him of ever having to give over his money because the conviction's overturned.

So let me answer that question, and they give the second part. One, yeah, they're going to take everything of this. I mean, I'm sure that the special counsel's office is super pissed. They're like, oh, yeah, oh, you lied to us over and over again. Originally, and one of the reasons you were convicted in the first place, and now you lied to us a second time, and you gave all the information to the person that we were investigating. And we have it in an agreement that if you do that, we get to take all of your assets in a civil forfeiture. We take your house, we take all your property. Yeah, they're going to take it.

He's done with that. So Manafort was in desperate, desperate straits. So he knew he'd lose all his wealth based on that. And he did it anyway, because for whatever reason, he might be literally scared to death of turning evidence against not just Donald Trump, but perhaps against the Russians. Yeah, that's what he's got to be most afraid of, because they kill people. Yeah, I mean, that's literal. That's literal. He's deciding between life and prison and losing his life. Yeah, and he's staying in solitary confinement now. Why? Because of security. Security, what? He's got nothing to do with the mob or Aryan Brotherhood or anything like that. Security

because there might be Russians inside the prison. Anyway, the other part is Rudy He said, this is outrageous, that's Trump's lawyer, obviously. He said, it turns out they were trying to get Manafort to give evidence on other people. Yeah, that's why, that's how flipping works. That's how, why he got the plea deal. What did you think was happening? They were like, okay, all right, we get, you know, we're going to give you a huge sentence, but we're going to give you a lesser sentence now if you just play backgammon with me.

No, you do it for evidence against other people, right? Yeah. So, but they make it seem like, oh, it's a conspiracy. No, it's Prosecutor 101. And specifically about that, like, solitary confinement for security reasons. Here's what's so weird hearing Rudy Giuliani say, and he'll just go on and say whatever comes to mind or whatever he thinks is expedient or makes a good point to his base. Mr. Giuliani accused the prosecutor overseeing the Manafort investigation, Andrew Weissman,

of keeping Mr. Manafort in solitary confinement, simply in hopes of forcing him to give false testimony about the president, even though on record we see people saying the real reason, Manafort's team asked to be in solitary confinement because of what Jake said. But Rudy still goes out there and says, well, he's really trying to make him go crazy and threatening him that he's going to be in solitary in the hole, like in Shawshank Redemption. So ridiculous. Because they have no attachments to the truth, so they don't care. So now let's go to what Trump said about the pardon.

Now like if you pardon Manafort, that would seem to be egregious. There's now people that worked in the government before in national security saying, well, you got to get him out of office if he pardons Manafort, that's outrageous. I mean, Manafort was convicted of eight counts of financial fraud, two conspiracy charges, and he's clearly giving information over to Trump, who might be the target of the investigation. But it's a slow motion Saturday night massacre. So Nixon did it all in one fell swoop, and that's why it's called a Saturday Night Massacre When he fired everyone who wouldn't listen to his orders to protect him from legal ramifications,

Trump is just doing it one at a time. Okay, Jeff Sessions, you're gone. Right now I'm going to put in this goon, Mark Whitaker, to do my bidding. Now, Manafort, maybe I pardon you, like I pardon Arpaio and Dinesh D'Souza. Right. Well, that was crazy because Nixon did it so quickly in a time when everyone had a really long attention span. And now Trump is doing it slowly in a time when things. come and go from the news so much faster that people like, what happened a week ago?

We don't even remember. Yeah. But then what did Trump actually say specifically, it is the second to last grabbing in this story, about the pardon, he said, it was never discussed, but I wouldn't take it off the table, why would I take it off the table? You would take it off table because he did financial fraud and a jury convicted him. You would take it off the table because he hid $30 million of ill gotten assets. You would take it off the table because he was a foreign agent of a hostile government and didn't report it.

You would take all that off the table because he was convicted by a jury of his peers. But you wouldn't take it off the table if you like criminals who protect other criminals like yourself. Trump also said, you know, this flipping stuff is terrible. You flip and you lie and you get, the prosecutors will tell you 99% of the time they can get people to flip. It's rare that they can't. This is the second time he has said that, quote. cooperating with law enforcement is, quote, terrible. He ran on rule of law, and he says, oh, my God, the caravan, and we're going to do rule of law.

And you say, all right, well, the people should obviously then cooperate with law enforcement. No, it's terrible. It's flipping and cooperating with them is terrible. Last time, he said, maybe it ought to be illegal. It ought to be illegal to cooperate with law enforcement, the president of the United States is saying. he said, what about Manafort? He said, it's actually very brave. And I'm telling you, this is McCarthyism.

We're in the McCarthy area. This is no better than McCarthy, okay? No, McCarthy targeted people that weren't guilty. And when he says Manafort's being brave, that's him saying, yeah, he's protecting me. And so like a good mob boss, I'm going to protect him. Yeah, McCarthyism is scaring people into thinking an entire group is evil and bad and working against your interest.

McCartheism is what you're doing about the caravan, idiot. Yeah. That's it. All right. He's a lifelong criminal. That's just the bottom line of it. I hope to God Mueller gets him, but I'm not sure he's going to, so we'll see. We can't see the evidence that Mueller sees.

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