The Young Turks - Frenemies

Episode Date: September 27, 2022

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So, listen, I'm looking forward to today's show. It's going to be a little bit bananas. Okay. Are we going to take stories to the bank? We're going to take it to the bank. Yes, we are, we are. So on top of that, I got a couple of stories that I just absolutely love on this today's show. One is about Brent Farb.

You've probably heard a little bit about that, but we have an excellent update on that. And then also, a surprising source defines masculinity for us. I think we're going to enjoy that story. All right. But Jessica, take it away. All right. The state of the state of post-Roe America is going as expected. Let's share some details out of what is going on in Arizona.

So on Friday, a judge lifted a decades-old injunction, which had blocked an anti-abortion rights law dating back to 1864. Before Arizona was even established as a state and allowed the ban to be enforced, Pima County Superior Court judge Kelly Johnson said in her ruling that Roe v. Wade, the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, which affirmed the constitutional right to abortion care had been the basis for barring the 1864 law from being enforced, but since Roe was overturned in June,

she said that the injunction should be annulled. Reporting from common dreams, Johnson's decision will unleash a near-total abortion ban in Arizona, said Planned Parenthood of Arizona, with the law including no exceptions for people whose pregnancies result from rape or incest. under the law, anyone who helps a pregnant person obtain abortion care can be sentenced to up to five years in prison. The law does include an exemption for medical emergency, according to the New York

Times, but as common dreams has reported, such an exemption in practice has already resulted in a Texas woman being forced to carry a non-viable pregnancy until her health was deemed sufficiently in danger before a doctor provided care. Governor Doug Ducey has said that the 15-week ban he signed in March would supersede the century-old ban. But Attorney General Mark Bronovich, a fellow Republican, has argued that the older ban should take precedence. Mr. Branovich filed the motion to vacate the injunction from 1973. He went on to say, the Attorney General Bronovich, I have and will continue to protect the most vulnerable Arizonans. Arizona remains one of the most pro-life states.

in the country. Reporting from the New York Times says women seeking abortions had already been traveling from Arizona to New Mexico, California, and Nevada amid the legal turmoil that erupted in Arizona after Roe was struck down. And providers say they anticipated those waves would now swell. So, Jank, what do you make of this? This law is from 1864, and it's taking precedent over laws that were passed in March. Yeah, well, okay, I have two different opinions, Jessica, depending on the issue. Okay, so because there are two different issues in this case. One is the law and the other is policy.

How do we feel about it? Legally, I don't think that they're wrong. I think that probably the 1864 law does apply. And so, and it was reaffirmed in, you know, 1907, as I, we clarified. And so, and it was codified. So, but now in this new post row world, well, it's our job to defeat them. And so now the great majority of people in Arizona, as well as the rest of the country, are pro-choice.

And they're very, very clear about that. But sad day, if right now the Republicans in Arizona say, oh, no, we love it. We want these barbaric laws that the people of Arizona do not want. Well, then, in a functioning democracy, what happens next is you vote them out and you put in people who agree with you. But if you don't, you got no one to blame other than yourself in Arizona. Yeah, absolutely. I think the voters in Arizona are pretty much in line with what you're saying.

So there's a poll that's the Arizona public opinion polls. It's run by OH Predictive Insights. And according to the latest, A-Z-pop, so Arizona Public Opinion Polls, survey, 52% of registered voters in Arizona opposed the Supreme Court overturning Roe versus Wade. So that's not a huge majority, but it is a majority. They basically said, you know, we agree with the overturning of Roe when it comes to the Supreme Court. But when you pose the question a little bit differently, it suggests that maybe the folks that have been talking about states' rights so much actually, got through, but it turns out the people within those states might be not on the side of the abortion ban. So the vast majority, 71% of voters in Arizona oppose making abortion illegal.

Voters either believe abortion should be legal and available, that's 39%, or that politicians should not be able to prevent someone from making that decision for themselves. That's the remaining 33%. It gets more interesting. So this polling was conducted by Neuro. and 9 and 10, so 90%, agree that each of us should have the freedom to decide how and when we start to grow family, free from political interference. This includes every Democrat, 100%, along with 89% of independence and 82% of Republicans. Four-fifths, so that's 82%, agree that some kind of one-size-all law won't work here. And people are making, you know, personal medical decisions. Large majority of Democrats, so 91% agree with this.

85% of independents, 74% of Republicans agree with this, as do 85% of white voters and 75% of Latinx voters. So this is super interesting, right? Because 52%, not a significant majority, saying they agree or they disagree with Roe being overturned. But a vast majority of people in Arizona believe this is a personal decision. decision, right? If you're at the Republican Party, you talk about personal liberties and freedoms quite a lot. And then you're legislating in the complete other direction. It turns out the majority of voters in Arizona are not so supportive of an abortion ban, which is exactly what they're getting, Jenks. So it goes back to what you're saying. If we really had a government

that was buying for the people, it turns out Arizona wouldn't have this law in place. Yeah. So this goes to further support what we've been saying on the show all along, which is Number one, politics is all about branding and framing. So number two, that is why corporate Democrats doing such a terrible job of branding is really material to your rights, right? And American media always branding and framing in favor of the right wing on economic issues. And oftentimes on social issues like this one is also really harmful to the voters and to

the American government overall in politics. So let me explain a little bit further what I mean. Look, here's a situation where if you frame it as, hey, should you make decisions about your own body and your own family and how you plan your family, everybody agrees, including overwhelming majorities of Republicans, over 80%, right? Obviously get the government off our bodies and our families and let us make the decisions. But if you say, hey, do you agree with the right-wing Supreme Court, like a giant, chunk of those Republicans go. I have been triggered. I got a Pavlovian word. I will now have

a Pavlovian reaction. Tucker Carlson and all of right wing media has convinced me that right wing is positive. If Supreme Court goes right wing, I love it. But it just took away the rights that you say you care a lot about and want. It does not matter. I am now activated. I will vote for whatever right wingers tell me, right? And by the way, like, I'm obviously, I'm joking around about the tone, but that's actually literally what they do. And the polling just showed you that. If you say, hey, this is what it actually is. They go, oh, wow, God, I mean, I want freedom. I want freedom. And I don't want, my wife, I don't want anybody messing with her either, okay? They say, but the right wing says we should. God damn it, we should. You know we should. It's the same

poll. It's the same people. It's amazing. It's amazing. So that's why when the Democrats never fight against Republicans, it leaves all the framing to the Republicans. And that is why oftentimes people will vote against their own self-interest. Now, if you had a strong Democratic Party in Arizona, and you don't, you have the weakest possible one with Mark Kelly, Chris and Cinema, two out of the top five worst Democratic

senators constantly reinforcing Republican framing. framing. In fact, Cinema did that today. It's later in the program on a different issue. Oh, the Republicans are right. The Republicans are right. McFecado's right. Everybody. The Republicans are right about everything. When you do that, well, the people think, I guess the Republicans must be right. And so I'll give away my rights, because I heard from both sides and the media that the Republicans were right. So here you are. In Arizona, if you're an actual voter and you're among the 71% who say, no, I definitely want abortion to be legal. abortion. I'm not even general framing, you're like at 90%, right? But like specifically about

abortion, 71%. If you're among that 71%, make sure you vote that way. There isn't a single Republican that agrees with that in politics. Republican politics, if you're voting for a Republican, we're voting to have your freedom taken away as a woman. That's just a flat out fact. If you found a unicorn, there's like a Republican somewhere hiding out in Pennsylvania and he's pro choice. Okay, great. But otherwise, it's a fact that at the national level, if it's not 100%, it's 99% of Republicans who say, yes, we will definitely take your rights away. So vote like it. Yeah, absolutely. It's just sad that we're in this place in our politics, where you have to get like a three-word phrase right in order to win people over on an issue instead of just really

substantively discussing the issue itself. So we've accepted. the framing, unfortunately, for far too long that people who are against a woman's choice about abortion, for them to say that they're pro-life, right? It's really hard to argue against someone when they're like, well, I'm pro-life, and because you disagree with me, you are not pro-life. By accepting their little slogan there, we've put ourselves in an awful position because so often when a woman is pregnant and chooses to get an abortion, it is because her life or the child's life is in danger. We've seen so many cases where women have to travel to other states when they have

unviable pregnancies, or they have to carry that baby to term ultimately to give birth to a baby that is just going to have to be buried anyway. And it's a terribly sad situation. And if you are pro-life, really, maybe you wouldn't want situations like that playing out. It's a complicated issue. And that's precisely why it should be one made between a person and their doctor, not one made by politicians and the government, but this framing really tricked a lot of people. Because as you can see, when we talk about the issue with the words that really more accurately describe what we're

dealing with here, right, the freedom to make a personal decision about your family, suddenly the polling shows people are supportive. So it's like, what are the Democrats doing with all of their time when they could be coming up with a better phrase to use to describe the issue? We just needed a three-word phrase. We could have called it like the Freedom for Family Choice Act, but instead, we just accepted the framing of pro-life and pro-abortion. And now we're here. And it's really sad. Yeah. Look, last thing, guys, is seven years ago, if you told people, oh, a reality show clown is going to be the president of the United States. The American capital is going to be attacked. And 40% of the country is going to think it was terrific that it was attacked.

The former president is going to steal top secret documents about nuclear weapons, and 40% of the country is going to think, that's fantastic that he did that. And abortion rights are going to be gone, and abortion is going to be illegal in Arizona. Everyone would have told you you're the craziest person they ever met that there's no way in the world that's going to happen. And all of that happened while Democratic leadership went nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. total utter losers, okay? Joe Biden barely won. He won the popular vote by a lot, but the electoral county only won by 43,000 votes to three states. The Democratic Party is totally and utterly

incompetent in fighting back. And you have to understand something, guys. Most people are not knee-deep in politics like we are or like you are, right? Most people don't know anything about politics. So that's why those three words framing on any given issue matters a lot because they're just going to hear it. They're going to see the headline. They're going to see it hear it for a second, and they're going to make their decision based on that. But our idiot leadership doesn't understand anything about framing. They're like, oh, most Republicans are great and reasonable and wonderful. We found a tiny slice that are ultra-maga.

But all the night, you should vote for Republicans. That is not correct, framing, you morons. Okay, and finally, you have to remember the right-wing voters know nothing. You have to speak very clearly to them. That's why, if you remember, the Obamacare protests, I mean, look, that was so emblematic. Number one, they said, oh, we can't believe the board. banks got those giant bailouts. We're against the bailouts for the banks. Koch brothers pull up in buses and lead them to an anti-Obomacare rally. They don't even notice.

They're like, oh, yeah, goddamn. No banks. We're banks are great now. Okay. God damn. Government. And you remember the signs? They say, get your government hands off our Medicare. Medicare is a government program. They don't understand anything. You have to be super clear in your messaging. But the Democratic Party thinks it's impolite to do that because then some of their donors might get mad. We just lost our rights. Arizona is now the 14th state to make abortion illegal since a row was overturned. Still, the Democratic reaction is one of complete indifference and incompetence. Get in the goddamn game already. Yeah. And the people who are the fiercest advocates for taking away our right to abortion are often these like maga types, right,

the theocratic fascists who are, you know, Christians, they want a white nationalist country. Some of them are saying this completely plainly. Others are just describing the thing, but rejecting the title. And we have the Democratic Party donating huge sums of money in Republican primary races to the most extreme MAGA candidates because they think they have a better shot against them in the general. That's what the Democratic Party is doing to fight. Instead of really thinking carefully about messaging, instead of organizing with people and knocking doors and having conversations about the issues to break through all of this propaganda that we just described people are being fed every single day.

No. Instead, they're going to ensure that MAGA Republicans get on the ballot in November. And that's really concerning. Jank just mentioned Kirsten Cinema, cozying up to Republicans instead of fighting them, playing on the same team. so let's watch this. Despite our apparent differences, Senator McConnell and I have forged a friendship, one that is rooted in our commonalities, including our pragmatic approach to legislating, our respect for the Senate as an institution, our love for our home states, and a dogged determination

on behalf of our constituents. So that was a speech at the University of Louisville and Kentucky in the Mitch McConnell Center, or sorry, the McConnell Center. Senator Kirsten Cinema just really couldn't help but professed her love for the Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. And there's more where that came from. Let's watch. You know, in today's partisan Washington, it might shock some that a Democratic senator would consider the Republican leader of the Senate, her friend, but back home in Arizona, we don't view life through a partisan lens. Arizonaans understand that while we may not agree on every issue, we do share the same values. Share the same values with Mr. Mitch McConnell.

Same team, same team. She ended up doubling down on her position to pretty much get as little done in Congress as possible, voicing her support for the filibuster. She said, not only am I committed to the 60-vote threshold, I have an incredibly unpopular view. I actually think we should restore the 60-vote threshold for areas in which it has been eliminated already. We should restore it. She laughed and then continued and said, not everybody likes that, because it would be harder for us to confirm judges.

is. And it would make it harder for us to confirm executive appointments in each administration, but I believe that if we did restore it, we would see more of that middle ground in all parts of our governance, which is what, I believe, our forefathers intended. She continued, while it is frustrating as a member of the minority in the United States Senate, and equally as frustrating in the majority, because you must have 60 votes to move forward, that frustration represents solely the short-term angst of not getting what you want. We shouldn't get everything we want in the moment, because later, upon cooler reflection, you recognize that it has probably gone too far. What a shocking statement. Let's recall that her bestie here, Mr. Mitch McConnell,

was the one who eliminated the Senate filibuster on Supreme Court nominees in 2017 when Trump was in office so that they could get Neil Gorsuch through after they vehemently blocked Merrick Garland. But before we discuss, let's just listen to cinemas, just analogy-ridden excuses for supporting the filibuster here. Let's watch this video. The House passes legislation that represents the passions of the moment. And that's what it was designed to do when our forefathers created the House. They wanted a body that represented the passions of Americans at the moment. But they tend to be a little bit over-eager.

So when Republicans are in control, they pass a little bit of crazy legislation. and when the Democrats are in control, they pass a little bit of crazy legislation. And the job of the Senate is to cool that passion. You know, there's a saying that the House is the cup of hot tea and the Senate is the saucer in which you cool that tea. The Senate was designed to be a place that moves slowly, to cool down those passions,

to think more strategically and long-term about the legislation before us. Okay, what she's saying in very different words is that there should be very rich people who wear suits, who have a ton of money in the stock market, who are going to govern on behalf of corporations, and maybe they're going to filter some stuff out that the people actually really want. We couldn't have radical things like actually having health care in the wealthiest country in the world and people being paid fair wages and having sick leave. No, all of that stuff is so incredibly radical. And it's been many, many years where people have wanted these things, where these have been popular ideas. is and still nothing. So it's not like it's a spur of the moment thing for people to want health care and maternity leave, like Kirsten Cinema would like to have us believe. So what she's saying here is just insane. She's advocating for something that's very short of

democracy. And I think regardless of what she believes the forefathers intended, I think people would like a real democracy, maybe as a treat. I don't know. Yeah. So let's break down all the eyes. So first of all, she said, she talked about what her and McConnell share, values. Well, in a sense, that's true, because the one thing they value is money, corruption, donors, rich people, corporations, period. Everything else is total utter lies. The reason she goes on this ridiculous talk of how she cares about the forefathers. I'm going to disprove that in a second, too, and about the saucer and the hotness and the coolness of the House and the Senate is because the mainstream media enables those kind of lies.

It has absolutely nothing to do with that. The filibuster is, okay, so first let's talk about how it came about, and then let's talk about why it's preserved. It came about not, she noticed she said four fathers. She is implying the founding fathers, but she's not saying the founding fathers because the founding fathers didn't do the filibuster. She's trying to trick you into thinking that it's in the Constitution. What, it ain't in the Constitution?

The forefathers that she's referring to are racist, vicious, slavery-loving senators in the past. That is just a fact. It's a literal fact about the filibuster. You could look it up anywhere. They brought it in and they made it a Senate rule, both the past and after slavery, mainly after slavery, to make sure that they could keep abusing. And by the way, murdering black people in the South. They used the filibuster to make sure that the anti-lynching laws didn't pass.

It was pro-linching forefathers that brought us the filibuster. Now, Chris and Cinema knows that. People in the media know that. But yet they still talk about, oh, Chris's Cinema cares so much about our beloved forefathers. Okay, so what is the filibuster used for today? Why do they preserve it? Because it blocks every single economic proposal that is very very. very popular with the American people.

And the Democratic Party claims to be in favor of. And a lot of times the Republican Party claimed to be in favor of, like higher wages. If there was no filibuster, that should pass like a higher minimum wage should pass easily, right? This paid family thing we're gonna talk about later in the show. It pulls at 80% it would pass so easily, but it would cost corporations money. And so they need something like a filibuster go, oh, well, we wish we could pass it. But oh, we can't get 60 votes. What could we do, the saucer in the teapot?

And then the media goes, oh, yeah, totally. Saucer teapot. Doesn't have anything. Don't look at the donors. Don't look at the donors. Why? The billions of dollars in donor money go to politicians who then spend it on mainstream media ads. So then all of a sudden, Krista Cinema is a person who should be deeply respected.

Now, if we had a real press in this country, they would explain that she has the same donors as Mitch McConnell. And she sold out her voters. When she first came into politics, she was so left wing. She was considered and died in the wool progressive. She's such a massive liar. She's the biggest liar in politics. At least Mitch McConnell, you know what the guy is. You know he's corrupt.

And isn't that amazing that they take the same money. They're in favor of the same policies. But sometimes the press, not often, but sometimes we'll note, oh, Mitch McConnell has taken a lot of money from corporations and rich people Perhaps I might influence them. I mean, tiptoe on it, tiptoe, tiptoe, okay, but maybe a little bit. But when it comes to Democrats, oh, how dare you? Are you saying a Democratic senator that took the same money as a Republican senator?

And then did the same exact policy as the Republican senator are equally corrupt? Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Krista cinema is 100% corrupt, not 99. She doesn't mean a word, she says. She's just that entire speech was, hey, donors, I will do anything. for you, anything. I will pleasure you more than Mitch McConnell, which is it, which will break every record, okay? And the press will not report this corruption, because they're part of the corruption.

So right now, we just did a story. 71% of people in Arizona believe that abortion should be legal. But she says, well, we could have that in Arizona. Oh, we would have dues passed a national law. But in order to get past the national law, you would need to get rid of the Philbusters. She was, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, cool off your passions, everybody. Oh, I guess you're passionate about women's rights and controlling your own body. No, no, we're going to have the Republicans win on every issue, every economic issue,

and every social issue. Then we're going to tell our own voters, cool your heels, cool your heels, okay? We're never going to do what you want because the money is more important to us. That's who Chris and Cinema is, a total, utter sellout. And if we had real reporters in this country, every one of them would tell you that. Absolutely. And as if we needed it, but here's more evidence that Mitch McConnell and curious, are on the absolute same beat, because in response to Kirsten Cinema, showing McConnell so much

love, he gave some love back. Let's watch this. I've only known Kirsten for four years, but she is, in my view, and I've told her this, were the most effective, the first-term senator I've seen in my time in the Senate. She is today what we have too few of in the Democratic Party, a genuine moderate and a dealmaker. Effective? His definition of effective is precisely what Jank described, someone who will sell out to corporations and block good legislation when it's trying to get passed, even and especially when it's popular among the public. And she got called out by an interesting character from her past. Her ex-boyfriend took to Twitter after this speech. Keith Oberman, he had quite some words for her.

When we dated in 2010 to 2011, Kirsten was legit progressive, far to my left. Now she's embraced the political industry, TM, where there is only process, not policy, and never people. Perfect solution. She can be the next host of Meet the Press. And it's hard to even believe that Kirsten Cinema actually did use to cosplay as a progressive, as Jank mentioned. But it's true. Cinema first encountered politics as a Green Party activist working for Ralph Nader. She spent the early 2000s agitating against wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. At the time, she condemned capitalism and likened political donations to bribery.

She ran twice for local office as an independent and lost. Since her 2012 election to the U.S. House, the candidate who once railed against capitalism's almighty dollar has welcomed the contributions of industry groups and corporate political action committees, she's raised at least $3 million from CEOs, business executives, investors, lobbyists, and finance sector workers as of 2021 campaign finance records show reporting from AP News. So, yeah, Kirsten Cinema tried to win as an independent. tried to fight for the right thing, but as soon as she lost, she sold out. We really need people who are stronger on their values than that. I mean, if you really believe in your values,

you're not going to tire if you lose local elections, but it's really sad that that's the reality for a lot of people. They see the corruption in our political system. They stand up for what's right. It's really difficult for someone running as a third party candidate to win, and a lot of people get so disillusioned that they're just like, well, might as well, do whatever I can for myself. And it's a really sad situation. And I'm not making excuses for cinema, but it is a sad reality. Yeah.

So I will agree with Mitch McConnell on one thing. So we break another record today. Chris Sinema has been the most effective Republican senator in her first term. No one could help Republicans as much as Chris and Cinema did because without her, they can't break the Democratic agenda. But with her in the Democratic camp, posing as a Democrat when, in fact, she's a Republican, she has been able to kill 85%, along with Joe mentioned, 85% of the Democratic agenda. Well, you can't get more effective than that. I mean, he's absolutely right.

And that should be a warning sign. People are sure right, like, oh, isn't that weird that the Republican leader is thanking a Democratic senator for being super effective in effectuating his agenda? But instead, the overwhelming majority of the press will write it as, oh, bravo, bipartisanship. We don't know why Democratic voters are so rascally, and they want their own priorities and policies. Nobody cares about that. We have bipartisanship, corporate bipartisanship.

McConnell and Sinemar are great moderates. They want to, everyone's on there on an article explaining what a sellout she is, and how she'll do her and McConnell will do anything for money. That APR article doesn't mention that, but it obliquely references the money. Well, like, wow, wow, right? But then they'll go right back to calling her a moderate. No, she's not a moderate. They're all prostitutes for corporate donations, period.

Doesn't have any new sex, doesn't have any new a gender. It has to do with, hey, Mitch McConnell, Chris and Cinema, I will give you money to use your body to go press that button, voting no to the American people. And yes, to my corporate interest, they're like, yes, sir, right away, sir. God damn it, press do your job, but they won't ever do it. And by the way, the forefathers, the founding fathers, the actual founding fathers, warned us about moneyed interests a thousand times over. It was in the Federalist Papers.

It's in everything they said, watch out. They said, they're going to try to buy the government. And that's exactly what happened. And that's why we have sellouts like her. And by the way, Oberman, two things wrong. One thing right about his tweet. He said, I mean, the things that are wrong. I mean, what a hilarious humble brag that was back when I was dating Kirsten Cinema.

Senator said, all right, all right, Oberman, get past it. Get past it. I got it, brother. Like, when I say I'm former, I'm Mr. Jamaica, I'm joking. It's not an actual, like, that's not an actual title. But he's like, oh, yeah, did I mention? Right. And then secondly, he's like, oh, she's worried about process instead of policy. No, she's not. You're giving her way too much credit. She doesn't care of. about policy or process. All she cares about is cold, hard cash. You give her cash, she will give you the vote that you want. Period. And it is not specific to just cinema. 90% of our politicians, all the ones that take corporate pack money, they're all the same. They're all servants and prostitutes for donors. That's a total and utter fact. But the press says, no, they have

opinions. Opinions my ass. They agree out to the same thing because they get money from the same people. It's the corruption, stupid. Yeah. So in summary, we've got Mitch McConnell, the Senate Minority Leader, Kirsten Cinema, a moderate whose vote is necessary to pass legislation frequently. She's got people in her office convincing her to vote one way or another on an issue because she takes this position as a moderate. But effectively, her job has been blocking legislation, taking a ton of money from corporations, as Mitch McConnell does. That's why they're so close. And we've got an American public that's really listening to narratives about populism, whether it's Fox News or whether it's Bernie Sanders. And obviously, the Bernie Sanders brand of left-wing populism, where he's offering

real solutions that will help working class people, is much better because he's accurately calling out where the corruption is coming from. We have a government that is run by corporations, but then you have the right-wing populism that's saying the government is the problem and all they really want to do is make life easier for oligarchs when they get into public office. And unfortunately, the public doesn't have the narratives that we give on TYT. What they have is mainstream media, which is why her ex-boyfriend Keith's joke that she should be on Meet the Press is so on point because they're hiding this fundamental truth that we're not in a situation where the federal government has too much power and the will of the

people isn't being realized. The problem is that corporations are running our country as a shadow government on their benefit and for profit on the backs of all of us. All right. We got to take a break. When we come back, Trump calls someone else fat. Hilarious. We'll be right back.

All right, we're back on Young Turks, Jank, and Jessica, with you guys, but also Victor Flores, who just joined by hitting the join button below on YouTube. We appreciate it. Everybody else, t.com slash joins the way to join us and help put out the truth to the American people. Jessica, what's next? More truth for the American people. All right. So Maggie Haberman is coming out with a book.

And in this book, we find out that Donald Trump has been criticizing Ron DeSantis and Chris Christie, for their weight. So we're going to get into why maybe Trump shouldn't be throwing stones in a glass house. But the upcoming book is called Confidence Man, the making of Donald Trump and the breaking of America. According to the book, Trump has made several disparaging remarks about Chris Christie and Ron DeSantis. But here's how Trump responded when Hoverman asked him about Chris Christie. I was compared to Chris Christie. Why? I didn't know I had that big of a weight problem. Shocking response from Mr. Trump.

Trump recently went after Chris Christie's weight after he gave an interview saying that Trump left the FBI no choice but to raid Mar-Lago. So with that criticism, he decided to respond with this photograph posted on Truth Social. Chris Christie at a Roy Rogers at 11 p.m. in the evening trying to console himself. Great. So I think maybe Donald Trump was just like so angry. he may have taken his plate of chicken nuggies and ketchup and thrown it against the wall again

when he heard this about Chris Kirstie. So more comments about DeSantis. Haberman also wrote that she had learned of Trump using similar terms to describe DeSantis. She also recalled learning from sources that Trump had called DeSantis fat, phony, and whiny, while also taking credit for the latter, clinching the governor's seat in 2018. Huh. Some people would say that there are other men you could describe with the adjectives, fat, phony, and whiny. Let's watch. They also gave me a defective mic. Did you notice that? My mic was defective within the room. But I'm also approving new dishwashers that give you more water so you can actually wash and rinse your dishes without having to do it 10 times.

It was like an ice skating. I said, General, there's no way I can make it down that ramp without falling on my ass, General. Turned out to be worse than anything. I would have been better off if I fell and slid down the damn ramp. I am a whiner, and I'm a whiner, and I keep whining and whining until I win. Yes, I'm a whiner, and I keep whining and whining until I win. And he's calling DeSantis fat, pony and whiny. Jank, what do you make?

Yeah. Okay, so let's talk about fat phony and whiny. We just showed your clip there with plenty of wine, right? But that's, I mean, what does Donald Trump do? 24-7. Wine, wine. All right, why are you did 2020 election? The massive dumps are coming out.

I think so is the cracket. I did it a want. I did a want. Okay. Oh, my God. Letitia James is being racist against me. Everybody's against me. Oh, the deep states against me.

Oh, I would have done everything if it wasn't for the deep. stage. Wine, wine, wine! He's spoiled little Brad. His dad spoiled him his whole life. I mean, he wasn't bright to begin with. But when you add the spoil on top, it's just a whiny little bitch. That's his main description. Everybody knows, like, the biggest whining bitch in America is Donald Trump. Everyone knows that. So him going around go, can you believe someone else is whining? Why? You wanted a monopoly on whining? And that's why you're about it. And phony, again, the poster child for phony. He had a fake university. He had a fake charity. He had six fake businesses. He had actually dozens of fake businesses, six that happened

to have spectacular bankruptcies. Everything about him is fake. He had a reality show where he pretend to be a smart businessman. Nothing's more fake than that. He bankrupted literally every company He has ever run. His whole life is described by the word phony, total utter comment. And then fact, look, guys, you know, with Chris Christie, I joke around. And as a preface to it, I say, as a fellow overweight New Jerseyan, okay, you have to at least acknowledge what you look like. I mean, you're going to, Trump, Trump, with your gigantic gun.

you're going to talk about how other people are fat, at least have decency to be self-deprecating to at least, oh, yeah, I mean, I live in a glass or something, anything, right? No, that idiot thinks he's good-looking. We did it on the show before. He's like, oh, women find me attractive. You moron, they find your dad's money attractive. Oh, you, your whole life you've been thinking that they found your fat, disgusting ass, attractive? Even your own wife won't even hold your hand.

She's grossed out by you. I'm grossed out by her marrying you for the money, but that's all that anybody's ever married you for. You fool. So go ahead. Give us more fodder for this because, I mean, that is as hilariously ironic as you statement as you will ever find. Yeah, it's definitely projection, right?

He's upset that Ron DeSantis is gaining political traction and is a formidable opponent if he runs in 2024, Trump's super insecure about this. And what does he do? He protects his own insecurities. And he's like, well, that guy's fat. It's like, what is substantive critique against your political opponent? Thank you. Jessica, to your point, two things about that. First of all, I got a thousand critiques of Ron DeSantis. Fat isn't one of them. I can't even tell if he's fat or not. But compared to Trump, he's like a twig. Trump is infinitely fatter than Ron DeSantis. If we're having that absurd conversation. But you nailed it that what's actually happening here is the ultimate irony.

Trump is whining about Ron DeSantis. I don't like him. He's now getting more popular. I don't want anybody to be more popular than me. He's fat. He's phony. He's whining. In between those sobs, he calls DeSantis whining.

Like this guy, he's never. looked in the mirror in his whole life. And this is what entitlement looks like. There's a lot of rich right wingers in this country who are absolute hot messes. And because the whole government and media and everything else has been structured around their fat asses their whole life, they look in the mirror thinking, nailed it. What if his supporters see this, right? And they look at Ron DeSantis and they're like, that's actually a pretty healthy guy. He might be alienating some his base, but I also think he picks words like this because they're easily repeated, right? His base can say, oh, well, Ron DeSantis is fat, phony and wani, so we don't like him, because

that's what we heard on Truth Social from Donald Trump, who we listen to all of the time. Oh, my God, it's just interesting how his base takes the information that he puts out, and I would like to believe that he's losing them a little bit, but time will tell. No way. He's not losing them at all. Okay, I mean, look, it is a, to be fair, there's a new pull out any, it's, among Republicans, it's tied as to whether he should run again. And he used to have a 20 point edge there. So in, in, for the purpose of accuracy, he is losing some internal support. When he's compared to Democrats, all the Republicans are still with him. They're like, oh my God, I would much rather vote for that racist, monster, sexist, liar, con man than any

Democrat, because those are the others and I don't like the others, right? But within internal, polling within the Republican Party, yes, he's losing some support because now people are going, hey, maybe Ron DeSantis can be just as hateful as Donald Trump. Maybe we don't need the manchild who just, I can't even hear him anyone because all he does is cry. But overall, Republican voters, there is no end to their self-delusion. If you ask Republican voters now, if Donald Trump is fat or skinny, I guarantee you Trump voters and Republican voters overall would say that he was skinny. And that he was a really good looking guy who has a great physique and a great body. Because they live on a different planet. Their minds have been 100% brainwashed.

You go talk to a Republican. They were like, oh, yes, Trump is good looking. He has such a good body. Okay? You can't talk to people who are in a cult, and it's his cult. All right, we got to take a break. We got to go. We got one more story for you guys, at least. That's really great. Come right back. All right, back on TYT, Jank and Jessica with you guys. And also a whole new bunch of members from YouTube that hit that join button below. We love that. And you guys make this program possible. And we often quote you during the show because we do the show with our members.

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Jessica, what's the next story? All right. Unfortunately, Matt Walsh has demonstrated the actual impact of spreading hatred on the internet. He posted on Twitter a few tweets this week about transgender health care. that had some consequences. Let's look at this first tweet. He is promoting a podcast episode and he says, we investigated our local hospital's gender butchery clinic. Here's what we found episode 1025. And he posts the link to the podcast. And then he says, I provided video evidence that Vanderbilt, that's the hospital, is performing gender affirming double mastectomies on minors,

a fact beyond dispute. They are also giving chemical castriac. drugs and irreversible hormones to children. Another fact beyond dispute and supported by documentation. Marjorie Taylor Green jumped in with a pretty big tweet saying ESG and wokeness are killing the Democrats, but the left's trans kid agenda is the nail in their coffin. Parents will protect their children with their lives and will ditch a political party in a heartbeat when that party comes after their kids. Remember, Virginia.

And so these actions, which were really just. thumbs moving on a phone screen to post these tweets had consequences. So reporting from Vice News, one day after notorious right-wing figure Matt Walsh tweeted about a Tennessee clinic that provides critical care for trans patients, the hospital removed several pages about that care from its site, an outcome that risks making it even more difficult for trans people to access health care. And shortly after Matt Walsh posted this tweet with a link, I'm begging left-wingers to get another hobby besides castrating children. After this, the Vanderbilt Clinic for Transgender Health at Vanderbilt University website was taken down. A 404, this page cannot be found error in its place.

A quote from Ari Drennan, many of these hospitals treat patients who live many hours away can be hard to find hospitals. who provide good treatment options, so it's very important for information about procedures that are offered to be accessible. So potential patients who are considering those procedures and for whom those procedures are medically necessary. And it's important to say that it's not just Vanderbilt, it's other hospitals as well. This happened in Ohio this week. Akron Children's Hospital in Ohio removed information about transcare from its site, including information about health care providers shortly after being targeted. In-person support group meetings for trans youth were canceled at Lurie Children's Hospital

of Chicago because of security risks. So is this freedom? Is what the right is fighting for really worthwhile? I don't think so. They are hating on such a small population of people in the country. You know, people should be allowed to live their lives however they want to. That's their personal freedom of choice. And they're deciding to make our political discourse about people who make up 0.5% of the population.

So here's a statistic from UCLA Williams Institute. Among U.S. adults, 0.5%, about 1.3 million adults identify as transgender. Among youth ages 13 to 17 in the U.S., 1.4%, so about 300,000 youth identify as transgender. And Matt is making this the whole body of his political discourse right now. his Twitter header. This is his profile on Twitter. His background is what is a woman? And if you look at his bio, he identifies as a theocratic fascist. That is an accurate description of who he is as a person. Jank, what do you make of Mr. Walsh? Okay. Look, guys, get a sense of how terrible human being he is. So he said the same thing about Boston Childs Hospital.

almost everything he says is a lie. And so when he says it's a fact, by the way, these hospitals, can you please fight back? I get it. You guys are not in politics and you're, and you probably watch mainstream media, so you probably think the right wing is, oh, the same as the left wing. I can't tell the difference. No, no, no, no, they're coming for you. They do these insane things.

If you keep cowering and you keep running from them, they're going to be further enabled. If he says something is a fact about you in your hospital, and it is not a fact, you You should sue him. That's how it works. Instead, when you run, it enables him. It encourages him. For God, say, look what they did Alex Jones by suing him. Because in a court of law, you have to present facts.

Look at what's happening to Donald Trump in a court of law. He lost 60 cases in a row on the elections because he didn't have any goddamn evidence. And now they, he's, I want a special master. And he has to go into court. And he's like, I don't know what I'm saying. Do I need evidence here? It looks like an idiot, right? Matt Walsh gets to say all these things because nobody ever pushes back.

So now, but of course you do that legally, right, rhetorically. But Matt Walsh sees that people are doing it not rhetorically. Last time he targeted the Boston Children's Hospital, there was a bomb threat and people were scared to death of the nurses, the doctors, et cetera, but also the kids, they might have to take the kids out of the hospital. It endangers the kids' lives when you do things like that. And why did the person call it a bomb threat? Why was there non-step death threats?

And now Vanderbilt was getting those same threats. Why? Because Matt Walsh literally said, that's the hospital. And they're chopping up kids, they're mutilating them, and all these hyperbole that he uses. And we just read you the hyperbole, so you know what it is as verbatim, what Jessica read, right? Then he sees, oh, that led to a bomb thread, that led to potential violence, that led to death threats. And then he does it again. See, that's the part where it's not, hey, man, I didn't know they were going to do that.

Like, that's, it could happen. It could be one guy. And, you know, he can't control everybody. Maybe it's even two or three guys that you can't control. But like dozens of people do the death threats, et cetera. And then you think, oh, that was good. And they got a bomb thread. And they were all scared for their lives.

He doesn't think, oh, maybe I should reconsider that tactic that seems to be getting a result. I don't want, which is threats of physical violence. No, he thinks that's a tactic that worked. It got me attention. First of all, who cares about anybody's life or safety? I'm going to go make some cash, okay? And then on top of that, oh, it made them feel scared for their lives. Excellent.

Let's do that lie over and over and over and over again. And then they draw all those kids. And look at Marjorie Taylor Green's life. She's like, oh, they're coming after your kids. Who's they? And what do you mean they're coming after the kids? Everyone that goes to these hospitals, there is no. operation allowed in America for under 18 year olds to change your gender.

There's like there's the genital operations they're talking about is for under 18 year olds. It's a lie, it's an unmitigated lie. It does not exist. The right wing is enabled by our awful, awful press to lie nonstop, because there's no consequences, no matter what happens. The press calls everything 50-50, and when they see a right winger, they skit down on their knees and kiss their ass. Call people what they are. He's a grotesque liar trying to obviously format violence. He sees the violence and he goes, good again and again and again. God damn it,

somebody's got to fight back politically, legally, and rhetorically. And so he's putting people's lives in danger. And what are their responses to take the information down? Perfectly legal, helpful information. Stop running from these bastards. But for God's sake, somebody fight back. Yeah, I would offer that the reason the hospitals did not fight back is because when you're running a hospital with a profit motive, your number one concern is bringing in as many patients as possible. Security risks are a threat to that. And also, having people show up protesting at the hospital is a threat to that. If you actually cared about the patients and giving them good treatment, you maybe would have taken this more seriously and fought back

against Matt Walsh. Maybe you would have sued. Maybe you would have released a statement, defending the patients you treat there that are transgender. But I think the reason we see the right, focusing so much on transgender issues, despite these folks making such a small proportion of the population, their decision to be transgender doesn't hurt anyone else at all. And if we believe in personal freedom of choice, they should be able to live their lives however they choose,

even if you really would choose to live your life differently and wouldn't be happy if you are in their shoes. You're not in their shoes. You can live your life however you would, want. That's what freedom is. And because they are so focused on traditional Christian values and having a Christian state, they're making this a much bigger issue. But think about how people are living every day in America. People are struggling to pay bills. They're struggling to afford rent. Matt Walsh is not having conversations about the issues that affect people's everyday lives.

And he's instead talking about this. I think there's also one last thing at play here, not to psychoanalyze Matt Walsh, but I think it's necessary. I think guys like this, get so much of their value from the patriarchy, right? Matt Walsh isn't an exceptional individual, right? He's a white guy. He's had a lot of privilege and a lot of success, and he gets so much of his personal value from just, you know, being this white guy

who talks into a camera. And so the idea of deconstructing gender norms jeopardizes his position of privilege. He gets a lot of value from being a traditional man, and so if gender's not real, who am I as Matt Walsh? I think that's really the reason these folks are so reactionary about transgender issues. It is because they are weak. It is not because transgender

people are a problem for living their life, however they see fit. Yeah, last couple of things here. First, to finish the thought about Marjorie Taylor Green, she made it seem like they were kidnapping kids and forcing them into therapy or these treatments or whatever. That's nonsense. Every person that goes to that hospital is accompanied by their parents, and their parents have made that decision. It's the right wing that's coming in and saying, parents, we hate you, we don't trust you. We don't think you should get to make the decisions. We think big government should make those personal family decisions for you guys. Now, that's a fact. They don't say to anybody Vanderbilt, Boston, all these other hospitals, it's not like you're going around going,

hey, there's a kid right there in the park. Let's go snatch them up without asking their parents and do these surgery. That's what they make it seem like. Oh, they're coming after your kids. No, every single parent that has gone to those hospitals for any kind of help, not the surgery, for any kind of help, has voluntarily got to the hospital? They're asking them, can you please help me and my kids? But they make it seem like it's the opposite. They're just unbelievable lies. But last thing is that there's now a cottage industry that profits off of hate.

And Matt Walsh is one of its participants. So they see that hate is a product. And the more hate they put into the world, the more they get paid. And so they think, oh, this is working. not really nice. And I say, oh, people are going to get hurt, bomb threats, et cetera. Who cares? I'm making money here. Look, a lot of people get hurt from profit industries. The oil companies are totally destroying the planet. The tobacco companies kill you for a living. And we can go on and on. The drug companies, they'll charge you so much you can't afford it and then you'll die

without their drugs. So here, let me have my little piece of the pie here. I just create, hate, hate, hate, I put it on the world. The mainstream media schmucks don't even fight back. The Democrats don't fight back. And I make tons of money from giving people some people what they want. And a lot of right wingers do want it. They want that hate. That's why they pay Matt Walsh to get that hate. So that's who they are.

They're the immoral party in this country. They're Republicans. The right wing is significantly more immoral than the rest of us. And so when they see someone selling hate, they're like, can't wait to buy more of it. And that's why the Matt Walsh's and the Daily Wires and all the right-wing media outlets are successful, because that's what they're selling. Unfortunately, there's a big market for it. Yeah, it's like when Donald Trump ran in 2016, we really saw demagoguery take hold. He weaponized people's hatred or really weaponized their fear about what they were going through in the country, about cultural changes, their fear about economic instability, and turn that fear into hatred.

And now he's created this beast that needs to be fed hate. constantly, and we're in this race, this arms race, of who can weaponize that hatred more? Who can get more people to listen to their hatred and turn it into action or votes? It's the same thing that's going on between the disputes between DeSantis and Donald Trump. And it's exactly why we see DeSantis becoming more and more far right. It's because it's this who can out-hate each other. That's what politics has become in our country. And then we have the Democrats, which are doing near nothing to fight the uprise of fascism

in the country. And we really need a popular movement of people who are rejecting both of these views. But unfortunately, we have a lack of leadership in American politics right now because it's been run by corporations for corporations for all too long. And we're lucky to have leaders like Bernie Sanders. And I think that's why so many people are worried about 2024, because we know we can't run Joe Biden again against this. Unfortunately, the hate factory is running all too strong. And they've got people in the media like Matt Walsh fighting for them. And then the Democrats have, what, MSNBC and meet the press? Great.

Yeah. All right, we gotta go. Everybody check out Jessica on Rebel Headquarters or she makes fantastic videos. And when we come back, the Brett Farr's story. Can't wait to weigh in on this and more devastating details about what a crook he is, which makes sense because he's the right winger. They're almost all crooks. We'll be right back. Thanks for listening to the full episode of the Young Turks, support our work, listen to ad-free, access members-only bonus content, and more by subscribing to Apple Podcasts at apple.com at apple.com slash t-y-t. I'm your host, Shank Huger, and I'll see you soon.