The Young Turks - Ghislane Maxwell Meeting - July 22, 2025

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

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You're listening to The Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, the Turks, Cenk, you're Yasmin Ali Khan. Yasmin's on Rebel HQ on YouTube. You're checking that out. So we got a huge show ahead for you guys today. Lots about the Epstein files.

They're figured out, right, right, we have the co-conspirator in jail. Maybe we should talk to her in prison. So we're going to get to that. We're going to get to the latest set of flares that are thrown out to try to distract you from that.

The house panics and literally, well, they don't run for the hills. They run from the hill. Okay, I'll have to redo that joke later because it was so good. Anyways, and one more thing teased later in the show, AOC getting a lot of heat from the left.

Why, is she right, is she wrong? So that's going to be super interesting, okay. All right, yes, what do you got for us? All right, we have a lot to get to in this first hour, so let's get started.

The DOJ has just announced a meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell, even though the DOJ had previously said that the whole Epstein case was essentially closed. So in a joint statement issued earlier this month, the DOJ and the FBI both said that after a

thorough and exhaustive review of Epstein related evidence, including images and videos of Epstein, underage victims and over 10,000 downloaded videos and images of illegalstein, underage victims and over 10,000 downloaded videos and images of illegal child sex abuse material and other pornography. This is what it said. This systematic review revealed no incriminating client list. There was also no credible evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part

of his actions. We did not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties. Cenk, I don't feel like this is going to go over very well with the base, what do you think? Yeah, so this is obviously an attempt to cover their ass.

And you can't say, hey, we did ask a solver, there's no evidence at all. Right, right, his main co-conspirator is in prison, and we can talk to her anytime. So more about that hilarious part of that irony as we go on in

the story. But there's one thing I'm going to point out to the audience in a sec, yeah, is that a line in there that is in that statement that was, to me, was a little unbelievable. And so why don't I let you tell the rest of the story then I'll

come back with that. Yeah, absolutely. So the memo also reiterated that Epstein did in fact commit suicide even though a lot of people feel like that isn't true. And they cited that all of the information that can be

released has been released and that they are concerned about protecting the privacy of the victims. And that is, to some extent, very understandable. I think it'd be a much, much bigger problem if the DOJ and

the FBI just started releasing basically child pornography to the public. But the thing is, no one is asking for that, right? We don't need or want more information about the victims. We want to know who are the people who have been exploiting them. And now we wanna know

why these people are being protected by our government. So today, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche released a statement which was shared by Attorney General Pam Bondi on X saying, the joint statement by the DOJ and FBI of July 6th remains as accurate today as it was when it was written. Namely that in the recent thorough review of the files maintained by the FBI in the Epstein case, no evidence was uncovered that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties. President Trump has told us to release all credible evidence. If Ghislaine Maxwell has information about anyone who has committed crimes against victims, the FBI and the DOJ will hear what she has to say.

Therefore at the direction of Attorney General Bondi, I have communicated with counsel for Miss Maxwell to determine whether she would be willing to speak with prosecutors from the department. I anticipate meeting with Ms. Maxwell in the coming days until now, no administration on behalf of the department had inquired about her willingness to meet with the government and that changes now.

So brave, and FBI Director Cash Patel quote tweeted that statement saying, get it. So the irony here, as others have pointed out, is that these are the heads of the DOJ and the FBI, the same departments that issued that joint statement two weeks ago.

There's no way that all three of these people were not involved in drafting or at least releasing that memo. Of course, there's also the very careful wording around Trump authorizing the release of all credible evidence.

And what is credible and what isn't is highly subjective. But speaking of Trump, let's check in with him. How is he doing? Not well, it would seem, in his most recent social media blitz, which was full of desperate attempts to distract attention away from the Epstein files. Trump invoked a name that he knows riles up his base every time and that is the name of Obama. Here he is trying to sway

the conversation in a way that is just generally less focused on his friend Jeffrey Epstein and himself. As your former attorney, would he conduct an interview given- No, I have no concern. He's a very talented person.

He's very smart. I didn't know that they were gonna do it. I don't really follow that too much. It's sort of a witch hunt, just a continuation of the witch hunt. The witch hunt that you should be talking about is they caught President Obama absolutely cold, Tulsi Gabbard. What they did to this country in 2016, starting in 2016, but going up all the way going up to 2020 of the election. They tried to rig the election and they got caught. And there should be very severe consequences for that.

Well, as if he wasn't sure if that would be enough of a hook for his base to latch on to, he threw out another old faithful Hillary Clinton. When we caught Hillary Clinton, I said, you know what? Let's not go too far here. It's the ex wife of a president and I thought it was sort of terrible.

And I let her off the hook and I'm very happy I did. But it's time to start after what they did to me. And whether it's right or wrong, it's time to go after people. Obama's been caught directly. So people say, a group, it's not a group. It's Obama, his orders are on the paper. The papers are signed, the papers came right out of their office, they sent everything

to be highly classified. Well, the highly classified has been released. And what they did in 2016 and in 2020 is very criminal. It's criminal at the highest level. So that's really the things you should be talking about. I know nothing about the other, but I think it's appropriate that they do go. So what is he even talking about? He is referring to claims made by Tulsi Gabbard that Obama either led or backed the effort to investigate Russian interference in the

2016 election. Claims that have been wildly debunked even by a Republican-led Senate. Speaking of which, Obama's office put out a very rare statement just today responding to the allegations. They said, out of respect for the office of the presidency, our office does not normally dignify the constant nonsense and misinformation flowing out of this White House with a response.

But these claims are outrageous enough to merit one. These bizarre allegations are ridiculous and a weak attempt at distraction. Nothing in the document issued last week undercuts the widely accepted conclusion that Russia worked to influence the 2016 presidential election, but did not successfully manipulate any votes. These findings were affirmed in a 2020 report by the bipartisan Senate Intelligence

Committee led by then chairman Marco Rubio. Anyway, Congress is currently at a standstill over Epstein disclosures, and in an effort to not vote on whether or not to release the files, Republicans and the House have just called off the votes that were originally on

the docket. Congress is set to leave for a month long recess at the end of the week, but we will see if that happens because Trump is actually now suggesting that they should skip it. But Cenk, I'm sure they're hoping that they'll just run out the clock on this week, go away for a month. And then by the time they come back, people will have moved on. Do you think that's a good strategy for them? No, I don't think any of this is going to work. I'm going to tell you about 200 squirrels in a second.

I'm curious if anybody voted in one direction here. We're asking on a live chat, shows live chat, shows live 6 to 8 PM, you know that. This is A, a good faith effort, or B, a smoke screen, this interview of Galean Maxwell.

Does anybody think it's a real good faith effort? I mean, because the very first question I'd ask is, well, no, apparently not, not too many. Okay, wait, yeah, all right, I mean, because the very first question I'd ask is, well, no, apparently not, not too bad. Okay, wait, yeah, all right,

almost everybody says smoke screen. Because the first question I'd ask is, why did it just occur to you? Right, so I'm going to get to the couple of lines that I think were super telling. So first, Deliver Ghost, Delivery Ghost on our YouTube

member section apparently agrees with me, says here we go again, don't look at the bad stuff about me, chase this squirrel instead. So let's start talking about those squirrels. So first, the lines that drew my interest, well, during that video,

he said, now the witch hunt you should be talking about is, and then he started talking about the Obama witch hunt, like, Freudian slip, alert, Freudian slip, Freudian slip, okay, something isn't slip that much on TV since Janet Jackson. So, okay, then,

all of you agree, Marco Antonio writes in this is all a bag of squirrels. Okay, then, all of you agree, Marco Antonio writes in his all bag of squirrels. But the line that really drew my attention in the Todd Blanch statement, where he said, okay, all right, fine,

we'll talk to Maxwell. He said, the FBI and DOJ will hear what she has to say. It's like he's doing us a favor, like he's being really magnanimous, like fine, we will hear what Ghislaine Maxwell has to say. Why do we have to push you into it?

Why did that never occur to you before? Right, there's this co-conspirator, the biggest groomer in American history, the one he did all the crimes with. I can't believe I didn't think to ask her.

And they think they're not insulting our intelligence. Come on, and he even phrases it that way. I said, fine, fine, we'll talk to her, okay? So they're giving the whole game away left and right.

Another one of our members having trouble finding it now, but made it good. Yeah, and then the other 14 slip he had was catty daddy pointed out, be a YouTube member, another one of our members having trouble finding it now but made it good, yeah. And then the other 14 slip he had was catty daddy pointed out, be a YouTube member, be part of the show,

hit the join button below or tyt.com slash join. It wrote in, whether it's right or wrong, it's time to go after people, Donald Trump. That is what he said if you rewind the tape, it's like right or wrong, we're going to have to go after

them. I think you're only supposed to go after them if it's right, not if it's wrong. or wrong, we're going to have to go after them. I think you're only supposed to go after them if it's right, not if it's wrong. But hey, if you really want us to talk about your witch hunt, okay, I got it. All right, so now first the

privacy of the victims is squirrel number one. Why? It's the easiest thing in the world to redact. Nobody's like yes, and nobody's saying I need to know about more personal information about

the victims. No, we're all saying don't tell us about the victims. They're like we and nobody's saying I need to know about more personal information about the victims. No, we're all saying don't tell us about the victims. They're like we can't because of the shut up redacted documents move on. It takes about a if it's as many files as they say what a day a week

you've got an army of people who work for you. So anyone talking about the victims of victims is purposely trying to divert your attention because that has nothing to do with this. So anyone talking about, the victims of victims is purposely trying to divert your attention because that has nothing to do with this. It's like saying, now you want me

to root for the Kansas City Chiefs. What that has nothing to do with this? Why are you bringing it up out of nowhere? What a random thing. Name me one person who said I demand to know more information

about the victims. You can't name one. Okay, so number two is the fake files, right? The files don't exist, there are no clients, that's the first thing they say. Then Trump comes down and goes,

it was Obama and Biden and Kobe and Tate and the other guy, Clipper, my God, look, fake files. Okay, so that's squirrel number two. Squirrel number three through 198 is, we gotta change the name of the Washington commanders.

Obama did it, what did he do? I don't know, we're looking into it, we organized the witch hunt. Okay, Russia, Russia, Russia, you're going to go back to Russia, Russia, Russia? Hillary Clinton's email service. Dude, when you go back to

Hillary Clinton's email service, you might as well hang a giant neon sign in front of the White House. We're trying to distract you. service. Dude, when you go back to Hillary Clinton's email service, you might as well hang a giant neon sign in front of the White House. We're trying to distract you. Please send more squirrels. Are you going to go back to stagflation of Jimmy Carter?

Are you going to be like, I can't believe Seward bought Alaska? We got to go back and do investigations of Seward's folly. Okay, this is so obvious. All right, squirrel number 199. We're going to release the grand

jury testimony. Then you find out the grand jury testimony is like miniscule, it's microscopic. It covers less than 1% of the files, okay? Squirrel number 200 is, my God, we found Galate Maxwell in prison. We're going to go talk to her now. Okay, squirrel number 200 is, my God, we found Galate Maxwell in

prison, we're going to go talk to her now. Okay, yeah, by the way, look, the people who actually did the crimes that we're apparently never going to find, we know the crimes, we know the victims. The only people who are not allowed

to find out about is the perpetrators. For those folks, they have to be furious at the Trump team, because they're like you idiots. The way you do a cover up is you pretend you're looking into it. And then you release limited

documents and go, my God, that's all we had, Colleague, what could we do, right? But instead they're like, there's no documents, there are no clients, there are clients, but they're all fake.

They're plantedanted by Obama. That doesn't make sense. I was in the first term, Trump term, I should have known by then they were implanted by Biden. Okay, so yeah, okay, go talk to her. But you know what might happen? In fact, another member wrote this

in, I want to see if I could find that one. I think it was on tyt.com. Yeah, Durge said, with the narrative that the list is fake, manufactured or real, what's the point of this? I want to see if I could find that one, I think it was on tyt.com. Yeah, Durd said with the narrative that the list is fake,

manufactured or missing, the sages set for a Maxwell pardon. It's possible that they go talk to her and they're like, she gave us really important information about one of the people who did these horrible crimes. It turns out it was a guy named,

is it just Jeff or Jeffrey? Jeffrey Epstein? Jeffrey Epstein, she gave us information about him, so we're going to let her go early. You think they won't do it? I mean, because they got orders, right?

They get orders and all of a sudden they say there is no list and there is no client. And then they all panic about diversions, diversions, diversions. So the people who gave them the order might told them, hey, you know what,

Elaine's working for us. So I mean, that poor girl's been in prison for like five years or whatever, says that intelligence agency. You know what, pretend you're going to solve the case and meanwhile, give her less time.

I'm not saying it's definitely going to happen at all, but it's not impossible because they've done such outrageous things. Now if you're a right winger, you go wait a minute, didn't Joe Biden cover this up too? Yes, yes he did.

Look, if you go back to 2006, the evidence has been overwhelming, the tens thousands of hours of tape. Obama had it presumably after the 2006 arrest. Okay, but after the 2019 arrest, certainly Trump had it, Biden had it, Trump had it,

has it now, right? And now you just discovered that they're porn, no one looked, since 2006. But even if you don't say, okay, put that aside, since 2019, not one person inside the government, including all the prosecutors,

looked to see if there were clients on that tape, or if it was just tens of thousands of hours of random porn. No one in the government knew that, come on, come on. Okay, last thing for now. Yes, as I read one article after

another and look at cable news covering this, and every time they say Epstein killed himself and there are conspiracy theories that he might have had other clients. How could you call that a conspiracy theory? If you call that a conspiracy

theory, the government could come to you and say your mom is an orangutan from Venus. conspiracy theory. If you call that a conspiracy theory, the government could come to you and say your mom is an orangutan from Venus. And is that government said it? There's a conspiracy theory that my mom is actually human, but I do have a ludicrous conspiracy

theory. Obviously, my mom's an orangutan from Venus, because the government said so. No, the conspiracy theory is that the girls said so. No, the conspiracy theories that the girls raped themselves. It's so confusing because this whole administration has a very interesting relationship with the truth in general. And this is something that we're used to dealing with by now, right?

We're used to hearing them say one thing and then say something completely different the next day. And then criticizing people who believe them the first time they said something, right? And that's just been kind of the nature of these last 10 years. I mean, just we were talking about Tulsi Gabbard earlier. Just a month ago, Trump didn't trust or value the things that she had to say, but now he's all about her, whatever she says goes. A month ago, he said he does not care what she says in regards to a different issue, but it really is just a matter of convenience for him. And unfortunately,

nobody on his side of the aisle, nobody in his most devoted base, none of them are going to call him out for any of that. And whenever they're in charge of certain files and whenever they release things, that's where things get a little

bit confusing, especially for the base. Because it's like, are you operating with the belief that the government is lying to you? Or are you operating with the belief that this administration, which is currently the government, is trying to help you and protect you and save you from whatever else like all the other governments had done prior? So I think that's part of the reason why we see

a lot of flip-flopping and a lot of feelings on the right right now where they really just don't even know how to feel for themselves. And really this is all very embarrassing for Donald Trump though. And I think to an extent all of this distracting people everywhere, it's kind of maybe not the

distractions are working. But what I think did give him a little bit of a leg up was when he called his supporters stupid. I think that actually sort of worked out well for him. But I don't know if you know what it's like to be in a cult.

I don't know, I'm just assuming because I also have never been in a cult, but there's nothing worse than someone questioning your loyalty, right? There's nothing worse than disappointing your dear leader and when Trump called them stupid,

that's what he did to them. He said I'm disappointed in you. You're not smart enough, you're playing right into the Democrats' hands. And there's also this level of cognitive dissonance there, where even if they were mad about all the Epstein stuff, they can hear Trump disparage his dumb supporters and convince themselves, he's not talking about me, I don't even care about Epstein, I'm not one of the dumb ones, I've always been on his side. And ultimately, I think that that could work out well for him.

All this distraction stuff, it's so obvious what he's doing. We know what he's doing. But I think calling his supporters stupid might have actually been okay for him. I don't know about that. I mean, if you're someone who gets

off on being called stupid and it makes you follow that person even more. Yeah. That is a different level of massacism. Jay, haven't we seen this before now?

He's insulted his base so many times, I feel like, throughout history, from his three election campaigns. I don't know, yes. I don't know, yes. No, I think both sides insult their own voters 1000 times over.

I mean, didn't Biden insult us by saying I'm young and dynamic and I'm the best possible Democrat to run against Trump. I'm not senile, my uncle was eaten by cannibals. And how many people on our side believe that?

That's not nice and that's crazy. And you're insulting our intelligence and I feel like- No, I don't think so. You don't hear- No, I don't think so. Yes, I don't believe that at all. I think for until the debate,

every media person, every leading Democrat. And unfortunately, and this is what is heartbreaking, tons of Democratic voters were like, yes, sir, you are the best Democrat to run, you are young and dynamic, I will believe you.

So look, what I'm trying to say yes is for all sides to snap out of it, there's a hypnosis that if your leader tells you something, it must be true. No, they're politicians, they're all lying sacks of crap, okay?

Sorry, almost all, okay? But it's like so Biden is a giant liar, Kamala Harris was never going to do any of the things she promised, Obama didn't do any of the things he promised. So is Trump worse?

Trump is worse, yes, okay? So that's why I voted against him three times. He's a lunatic, he's out of control, he does this stuff. But his base is actually in a lot of ways questioning him.

And there's this idea that the polling is holding for him. No, it's not. Now, Politico is like, all mainstream media was like, the poll is fine. We checked the last hour. It's fine, everybody move out from

Epstein, right? And now all of a sudden, there's articles out going, yeah, there seems to be polling coming soon that doesn't look as well for Trump. We're not going to tell you what it is yet, but it's almost like

they're waiting to say, it must be something else that drove Trump's polling down. What's driving Trump's polling down is a lot of Trump voters are going, I'm not stupid, and I'm not going to listen to this crap.

So honestly, I think we should be giving them credit for that. And- Yeah, absolutely, yeah, and that's a really great point that you brought up the polling because I feel like a lot of times you don't always see what's in

the zeitgeist reflected in the polls, but I mean, it's like a distinct correlation between everything that's going on and his numbers going down. And he already didn't have a great approval rating to begin with. So the fact that he's losing even

more steam, you have to assume that it is coming from some of the people who weren't actively speaking out against him before prior to all of this. And he did a lot of things to upset his own base that they still stuck

by him for. So I want to be hopeful that this is the thing that finally breaks them. It seems to be going that way, but I am a little bit like a little uneasy about it. Yeah, last thing I'll say,

the bottom line is, look, it's not about which one is worse, guys, stop comparing the two. No, it's not Biden versus Trump, it's Biden and Trump versus the rest of us. Biden didn't release the files for four years either,

Trump didn't release the files for four years before that, Trump's still not releasing them today. So is Trump more culpable because he might be on the list? Is Trump more culpable because he's the on the list? Is Trump more culpable because he's the president right now and

he's actively saying I'm not going to release it? I'm not going to prosecute anyone. Sure, you could say he's more culpable and I agree with that, right? But that's not the important part. The important and

interesting part is that both parties and all of the US government is saying, we are never going to tell you who raped those girls. We are all together protecting the people who raped those girls. Okay, that's the iceberg, like the partisanship and

the tribalism is the tip of the iceberg. The iceberg is, no, the people in power are all lying to us, and they're doing it to protect the powerful. So that's the most important part of this story.

And you'll know there's accountability if someone is actually prosecuted. The rest of it is jibber jabber and a bunch of flying squirrels. Yeah, absolutely. And I will just say real quick, I mean, I think the reason why,

absolutely the Biden campaign did not release the Epstein files and they could have and probably should have. But Trump, he ran on this and that is why it's getting such a backlash right now and just wanted to point that out before we go to

break. Yeah, that's definitely true. He's the one who ran on it, Biden didn't run on it at all. And it just, it makes him more of a hypocrite at a minimum. No question about that. All right, we'll take a quick

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I'm also feeling very generous, so I have some Alex Jones for you all today. Let's roll the tape. From the outside, the Trump administration campaigns on exposing this cover up, blowing the lid off this cover up, blowing the lid off this cover up. And then they get in office, and now it seems like they're part of this cover up. You couldn't do a bigger Streisand effect.

You couldn't come out and say I'm more guilty than what he did. And my loyalty to the truth, I'm actually autistic about it. I can't, even if I want Trump to succeed and Democrats are my sworn enemy trying to put me in prison. I'm just having to report this that this is beyond insane.

Yeah. And it's like Trump blowing his feet off with a 12 gauge shotgun. All right, Alex Jones and comedian Tim Dillon got together for what they called an emergency podcast about the Epstein cover-up, during which they both criticized the Trump administration's sketchy handling of the Epstein files. Jones did his usual caveat saying he sees no proof that Trump is implicated in the files and that he didn't actually do anything wrong. He went on a long tangent about how the Democrats likely added damaging information about Trump to the files when they were in power, which he would have no way of knowing if that's true or not.

But he did go so far as to call Trump's refusal to release the documents suicide. He comes out the next day and says on true social, no, we need the FBI to move on. I told him to do this. And the next day in a press conference, he chews out the reporter, when they're talking about all these issues saying, how dare you desecrate the graves

of dead kids in Texas with the floods, shut up. And that's uncharacteristic for Trump, he looks scared, he looks concerned. And then all the other True Social posts about, if you ask questions, you're with the Democrats. And this is all a Democrat made up hoax. And you're just idiots. When all his surrogates had promised they'd bring this out, he talked about bringing it out.

So this is Harry Carey, this is Seppuku, for those that don't know in Japanese, I mean suicide, this is Trump self harming. I don't know if Trump can course correct from this. We're gonna hear from Tim Dillon, who says he met with Vice President JD Vance last week. But first Cenk, what is your reaction to all of this to Alex Jones? I thought it was funny that they had to call an emergency podcasting session to discuss all of this to Alex Jones. I thought it was funny that they had to call an emergency podcasting session to discuss all of this. I don't know why Tim Dillon is dressed the way he is.

What do you think? I think often dresses like that. I mean, I don't know the brother, but that's a very normal outfit for him. And I'm no one to talk about outfits. But look, Alex Jones is still just

as crazy as he was yesterday. And in parts of that episode, he was talking about how Obama is a CIA baby. And I was like, of course, of course he is. But weirdly, he said he's, yeah, he's definitely born in Hawaii.

And I was like, what? And he's like, well, that's because his father's actually a CIA agent and not the guy from Getty. I'm like, all right, whatever, right? So I'm not sharing with you guys

because I think like, my God, Alex Jones might be on to something. No, number one important point here is look at Alex Jones, who's very far right, and Tim Dillon, who's part of the independent podcaster group, right?

They both voted for Trump, obviously, but one's independent, the other one's right wing, and they're both not letting it go, right? So that division within the MAGA movement, within the Trump voters, is still there. It hasn't gone away.

The bag of squirrels that Trump threw at it hasn't worked. That's super relevant. And then I got to give Tim Dillon credit. The brother is kind of fearless. And so you might not agree with everything he says and

I don't agree with everything he says, but he's willing to say things that other people are not willing to say and that's some of what we're going to show you here. Yeah, okay, so he did have lunch or he had dinner with our vice president, JD Vance.

So he revealed during this conversation that he did have dinner and the things that were said, there was a clear disconnect between what JD Vance told him and what the rest of the administration is saying publicly, he says. When Bondi said we have 10,000

hours of video, she said we have 10,000 hours of video. I said we have 10,000 hours of video. I had dinner last week with the vice president. He told me that that was commercial pornography. They do not have videos of any powerful person in a compromising

position. That's the party line that they're going with. If that's the case, why would Pam Bondi call it evidence? Why would she say it's evidence? She's not an idiot. She's the Attorney General.

Why would she say she has files on her desk if none of these implicated anybody? It just feels like they're covering something for sure, 100%. And I feel like they're telling a story and the story doesn't make any sense.

My God, I can't even focus on what was being said with Alex Jones just like blowing out that cigarette in my face, it was very awkward. Anyway, it gets even juicier. According to Dylan, JD Vance actually agrees with the critics behind the scenes. Take a look. What I told Vance, I said, if you don't disclose everything, you're done. I mean, nobody will support you guys. You are fully and completely part of this cover up if everything doesn't come out. I think it paralyzes their

presidency completely. What did Vance say? He agrees with me. He agrees with me. It really is- Yeah, even Mike Johnson came out a week ago and said, release it. I mean, he agrees with me.

The calls are coming from inside the house. All right, well in the past, Vance has vocally called for more transparency about the Epstein case. In 2021, he wrote this on X, he said if you're a journalist and

you're not asking questions about this case, you should be ashamed of yourself. What purpose do you even serve? In October, he said on Theo Vann's podcast, we need to release the Epstein list. But now JD Vance is staying pretty

quiet on the whole thing. He hasn't said a whole lot lately. He attacked the Wall Street Journal last week though for reporting on his relationship with Epstein. So that is an interesting development here.

Cenk, it seems like between the pundits and the actual administration and now even JD Vance and people like Mike Johnson who are saying one thing then changing their mind saying something else going back and forth. We're also seeing it on the left quite a bit. Are we ever we're never gonna get our hands on these files I feel like and I'm not happy about that.

But it is becoming more obvious that there are people on both sides of the aisle, specifically within the Trump administration. And as we said in the last story, they promised, they're the ones who promised to release all these files. They're not doing it. It's very obvious now that they're protecting people who are on the list, the people who were victimizing all these girls. What do you think is gonna come from this as far, not just within the MAGA movement, but with

the overall Republican Party going forward? So I like what Tim Dillon is doing because we didn't show you this part, but he keeps saying it's Mossad and it's Israel that was behind Epstein. And so here's the two reasons why

I like that. Number one, I think it's the most likely answer, but I'm guessing, we're all guessing, right? So if you told him if we found out definitively that it was just the CIA and Mossad had nothing to do with it,

I wouldn't be at all surprised. My God, that's shocking. No, not shocking, right? If we found out no intelligence agencies were involved, but Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, and Bill Gates, and a bunch of other super rich, powerful people who

were involved, and that's why they were covering up. Again, I wouldn't be overly surprised, right? But it's one of those three options. And so mainstream media goes no,

it's none of those options. The government said that there were no clients. And that everything else is a conspiracy theory. Well, if you believe that, honestly, you're not very bright, right?

So the hundreds of girls, I mean, as we keep saying, because it's so absurd, it's so over the top, the hundreds of girls rape themselves. Come on, come on. I mean, you want to talk about insulting our intelligence.

Forget the government, mainstream media that calls other things conspiracy theories. No, brother, the conspiracy theories that the girls did it to themselves. That's the lunatic conspiracy theory. And if you were a real reporter,

that's what you would write. But instead of all the reporters like, you better not talk about Mossad, you're all just crazy, crazy, crazy. Ben Smith the other day flipping out, it's not Mossad. Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro,

we gotta move on, we gotta move on. The more they panic, the more they panic, whenever Israel's mentioned, I move it up another notch and another notch and another notch as most likely, okay?

We're judging it from the outside, not because we have some sort of secret evidence from the inside. I would never claim that, right? But based on the context clues that they're throwing out here. So that's number one reason why I like what Dylan's saying.

The second reason is, if it's not Israel, and Israel feels like they're being accused, they have enough power to get their files released. So we'll have the answer either way. If we never get the answer,

then it was Israel. If it's not Israel, we'll get the answer. because Israel will be like, people are blaming me. No, that's it, anti-Semites, release the files right away. Good, good, then I'd be on your

side, okay? So, but interestingly, not a single Israeli supporter has been like, release the files, they're all, do do do do do do. And by the way, let me correct that, that's actually not true, okay?

I over simplified there. I mean prominent Israeli supporters in the media like Levin and Shapiro. There are plenty of people who support Israel that are normal human beings, both on the right and the left, and I've seen it.

I'm not just saying it, I've seen them say, yeah, released the absentee files, 100%, right? So, well, you know why? Because Mossad didn't call them and say, like just CIA didn't call us and go, we're doing a secret

conspiracy, right? That's why I find it so strange that Livin and Shapiro in particular, they both say that they talk to Israeli officials. And then they both come out and say we got to move on from the Epstein files.

Those two are very questionable. Everybody else is just reacting without enough information. Anyways, now look, I like the podcasters overall, not because they are on our side, they seem to be leaning right, they supported Trump,

I'm against all that. But at least they're having real conversations. When you like a human conversation has broken out on cable news in decades. So it's all talking points and consultants and hey, Mr. Pundit,

what do you think about populism? Well, all my clients that have given me millions of dollars tell me that this is what we think about populism, shut up, right? And at least they're having real conversations and what's interesting is they,

in a sense, they didn't live through the first Trump administration. They were alive, but they weren't on the air. Some of them were like Rogan, right? That's why in a sense, you could say they're a little bit more culpable.

Like brother, you saw a billion lives from Trump the first time around. But for guys like Tim Dillon, Theovon, Andrew Schultz, etc., to my knowledge, I'm sorry if I got it wrong, but they weren't on the air where they're covering it day

to day, like Trump said what? Trump said who? Trump said who? Like you serious? So they started during the Biden era and Biden's talking about how his uncle is beaten by cannibals. So they think my god, these Democrats are huge liars.

I'm going to the right, right? And then the right gets in and they're like, whoa, that's a nuclear level of lying. I didn't expect. Yeah, they should have expected it, but they didn't. And so at least guys like Tim

Dillon are being honest enough to call it out. Yeah, I mean, that is a really interesting perspective as far as like how they really just weren't on air. So it's hard to understand how much of what is happening not just

within the last four or five years, but within the last 10 years or even within the last 20 years that they were paying attention to with this level of intensity. Not for nothing, we have a lot more access to our public leaders and politicians now than we did before.

But that said, I was in junior high in high school during the second George W Bush administration. And that was when I like politically turned on. And it wasn't necessarily because of the President and what was happening with Iraq and George W Bush administration. And that was when I like politically turned on. And it wasn't necessarily because of the president and

what was happening with Iraq and everything like that. But it was because all of a sudden these things that were happening in the world, they were impacting my life. And we were just more aware of it. So that's why I never really

understand when people say they're not political because it's like, what kind of life do you live where this stuff doesn't touch you? But it is interesting and I kind of go back and forth with the idea that, it's like what kind of life do you live where this stuff doesn't touch you. It is interesting and I kind of go back and forth with the idea that it's good to have your talking points kind of like thought through

at the very least versus people just reacting to things. because I feel like whenever you just react to something, it's helpful to think before you speak generally, right? But we get a lot of reactionary content these days.

And sometimes I do feel like sometimes that's why we have people who say one thing and then the next day they're like, actually, I feel like it's this and more power to them. I would much rather them do that than just like leave it out there. But at the same time, people like Tim Dillon and Andrew Schultz, he was never my favorite even before he got political, I never found him funny or interesting. But now these people, they have voices that regular everyday people

are listening to and they're being touted as beacons of normalcy in a media ecosystem that really hasn't much thought or attention to normalcy in the first place. Yeah, so last thing I'll say is that, well, twofold.

Wolf Blitzer will make anyone else look normal. So if you compare people to people on cable news, yeah, they'll all look human. And finally, about the porn tapes that they mentioned, the so- the porn tapes that they mentioned, the so-called porn tapes.

Like we said earlier in the show, so you had tens of thousands of hours of tape on Epstein. What you thought were Epstein clients, that's why Trump and his entire team said it in his first term when Biden was in office. No one disputed that they had tapes

on actual clients, Democrat or Republican. But now for the first time since 2006, when they got some of the tapes, they've looked at it and go, it was porn all along. None of you thought to look before. That's your story and

you're going with it. And then they wonder why we think the government is lying to us. Okay, all right, we got to take a break here. When we come back, no, Hunter Biden's back, okay? And he's going to hit a lot of

people, they're going to hit him back. So we'll get to that when we return. the way. All right, back on TYT, Cenk, Yaz, and Robbie, David, just remember by hitting that beautiful join button below the video on

YouTube and wrote in Trump is swarming keep pushing on Epstein. Let's widen these cracks. And by the way, let's try to get to the truth. All right, yes, what's next? All right, let's just roll the tape on this story and

get right into it. Him, him, him and everybody around him. I don't have to be nice. Number one, I agree with Quentin Tarantino. George Clooney is not a actor. He is a fucking,

I don't know what he is. He's a brand. Well, strong words from a clearly very bitter Hunter Biden. So during his interview on Channel 5 with Andrew Callahan, Hunter railed against pretty much everyone that he thought played any

part in taking down his father during the 2024 election, including maybe even especially George Clooney. We're going to hear a lot more from the former president's son first, but Cenk, what can our viewers expect because that was a rough

start? It gets way rougher. He's a runaway freight train, But Cenk, what can our viewers expect because that was a rough start. It gets way rougher. He's a runaway freight train, totally out of control. So he's going to say a lot more crazy things. People are going to fight back. We're going to show you all that

tape and then Yaz and I will tell you what we think about this. And look, sometimes there's silver linings in this kind of out of control rage attacks. And then you accidentally reveal things that are true. And there were a couple of those within this rant, but overall,

Hunter Biden is a mess. As my daughter would say, I don't want to spoil the beans for you, but this is not going to end well for Hunter. Yeah, I think that's putting it nicely that this was immense. So Hunter Biden, he is furious with a lot of people, but we not going to end well for Hunter. Yeah, I think that's putting it nicely that this was immense. So, Hunter Biden, he is furious with a lot of people, but we're gonna start with George Clooney and then move

on from there. George Clooney originally supported Joe Biden's bid for a second term and even headlined a record setting fundraiser for the then president. But he changed course after Biden's disastrous debate performance against Trump in June 2024. I know you all remember that debate. He made his opinion known in a piece for the New York Times following the debate calling on Biden to drop out of the race, which clearly hit a nerve with Hunter Biden. Here is more of his attack. By the way, and God bless him. You know what?

He supposedly treats his friends really well, you know what I mean? Buys them things. And he's got a really great place in Lake Como and he's great friends with Barack Obama. You, what do you have to do with anything?

Why do I have to listen to you? What right do you have to step on a man who's given 52 years of his life to the service of this country and decide that you, George Clooney, are gonna take out basically a full-page ad in the New York Times to undermine the president at a time in which, by the way, what do people care about the most? Why do you think that the Republicans have an advantage over us?

Because they're unified, they will go along with anything. I wasn't asking anybody to go along with anything. I was asking people to go along with this, the most successful administration in my lifetime. And I'm including the Obama administration, I'm including the Reagan administration, I'm including every administration in

my lifetime. One could argue that 52 years of service to your country is enough. Thank you, but that is enough. So Hunter also claimed that Clooney made up the story about Joe Biden not recognizing him at an event. And he accused him of haranguing

White House staff because Biden criticized an ICC arrest warrant against Benjamin Netanyahu that Clooney's wife helped to craft. But Hunter's rage did not stop at George Clooney. He went after anyone who he thought undermined his dad in 2024.

Let's see. You know what George Clooney did? Because he sat down, I guess, because he was given a blessing by the Obama team or the Obama people and whoever else and David Axelrod and whoever the else is to go, okay, yeah.

You know what, we are going to insert our judgment over yours. Me and James Carville, who hasn't run a race in 40 years, and David Axelrod, who had one success in his political life, and that was Barack Obama.

And that was because of Barack Obama, not because of David Axelrod, and David Plouffe, and all of these guys in the Pod Save America guys who were junior speech writers on Barack Obama's Senate staff who have been dining out on the relationship with him

for years making millions of dollars. The Anita Duns of the world who's made $40, $50 million off the Democratic Party. They're all going to insert their judgment over a man who has figured out, unlike anybody else,

how to get elected to the United States Senate over seven times. How to pass more legislation than any president in history. Well, the pod save guys, they didn't take that attack lying down. They clap back right away,

telling Hunter Biden that he's not the victim that he thinks he is. Listen. His big beef is that Republicans stick together and Democrats are united, but he's obsessed with this show, obsessed with George Clooney. They don't talk about Gaza until two hours and 50 minutes into the interview. I'm guessing that that was the bigger threat to party unity than George Clooney op-ed. You know what I mean? It's just this sense of entitlement that like,

from Biden, from his family, from the inner circle that he was like, owed the presidency, owed a second term. It's just very ingrating. If I was in a room with him and able to talk rationally, I would just be like, hey man, look around the world. Look at what's happening in this country right now. Like, I know you're angry personally, but

you're not the victim here. We're all living with what happened in this election. And- You got a pardon, you're fine. It's just- Yeah. Utter lack of self awareness.

Yeah, they also responded on X. So Tommy Vitor said, it's good to see that Hunter has taken some time to process the election, look inward and hold himself accountable for how his family's insular, dare I say arrogant at times

approach to politics led to this catastrophic outcome we're all now living with. And John Favreau just said, there goes my bit on that painting. So Cenk, I found all of this super irritating. I don't understand what Hunter Biden hopes to get out from any of this. I don't know if he's trying to go for that likability angle with dropping all of his

F bombs and criticizing George Clooney, who is objectively one of the most likable humans on the planet right now, just broadly speaking. I did find the way he was speaking to be just egregious, the way he had such a limited vocabulary, let's say. I felt a little bit childish to me. But of course, I found the content of what he had to say not only

irritating, but disappointing. Because as predictable as these political types tend to be, you always want to hold out a little bit of hope that some message is getting through somewhere to someone. And this kind of dispelled a lot of

that for me, whatever hope I had, it's just like, it's not happening. And I didn't actually include this in the story, but the New York Times recently published a piece. And the headline was something about the Democrats' autopsy of what went wrong in 2024 is actively But the New York Times recently published a piece and the headline was something about the Democrats autopsy of what went

wrong in 2024 is actively avoiding the likeliest cause of death for the reason as to why the Democrats lost the White House. So, as the DNC is trying to figure out what happened, even though we've told them until we were blue in the face time and time again,

even during the campaign what they were doing that we didn't like. So they're not looking into Biden's decision to run for reelection in the first place. They're not looking into the fact that he waited until after the primaries to drop out. And as far as the Harris campaign itself, they're not looking into a few different key decisions that were made like framing the election as democracy versus fascism, and not addressing Trump after he attacked her on her stance on transgender rights. And if I recall correctly, and Tommy Vitor kind of touched on this in that clip we just showed, but there wasn't even a mention in the New York Times piece of the Biden or Harris campaign stance on Israel and Palestine.

And the fact that so many Americans we know withheld their votes because of that one particular issue. And we know that that's true because they said it repeatedly. People were all over saying I'm literally not going to vote for either of these candidates because of this.

So all of this retroactive, forensic investigations that the DNC is doing right now, they're just not getting it. And at this point, it seems as though they don't want to. They already told us that they're going to be chasing higher dollar

corporate donors in future elections. So why would they care what the voters have to think? What do you think, Cenk? Yeah, so I know why he's doing it because no one's buying his modern art anymore.

Because the modern art, let's be honest, were bribes, okay? Why were they bribing Hunter Biden? I don't know, just to make Papa feel good. I don't think they were getting anything from Joe Biden. We've gone over that 100 times.

If they were, I'd be furious about it, but it doesn't look like it. But hey, your money dried up. Papa thought he was going to get $300,000 of speech. He's getting no speech offers, because he can't speak.

So now they're like, what the hell, man, after you retire from politics, you're supposed to get stinking rich and I'm supposed to take all that money. But Hunter's running out of money. And nobody's hiring him to be a Ukrainian gas expert anymore.

And dad can't make any money, so he's in a rage. There's a part of me that really gets bothered by one part of this that no one else is talking about, which is, he's making the other guys who realized in the 11th hour that

Biden was not young and dynamic. He's making them look like heroes. Because he's like no, no, even after he tried to eat his foot on a stage during the debate, you should have stuck with him. And they're like, no, when his brain fell straight out of his ear,

we were brave enough to notice it. And slightly call it out, but not completely, we wanted to be respectful. And then a couple of months later, we're like, really? Okay, and now those guys are the heroes, because Hunter Biden's

out of his goddamn mind. Okay, so let's break down the answers to a couple of questions he asked. Who the hell does George Clooney think he is? He thinks he's Joe Biden's boss, because he is.

Wait, why? Why is Clooney Biden's boss? Because Biden has, he's in his entire career, what has he done? Listen to his donors. George Clooney is a giant donor. So when donors talk,

servants like Joe Biden listen. So it was, and who took out Joe Biden? Do you think it was the other Democrats? Do you think it was Pelosi and Axelor? I said no, the donors took out Joe

Biden, because they realized too late, we invested in a jalopy. Okay, we need a more functioning corporateopy, okay? We need a more functioning corporate robot, okay? They're the ones who stop giving money, that's why Biden left. But they could have written a thousand strongly awarded

letters to Biden. He was never going to listen, because he's not even of the right mind. If it's dementia, senile, whatever it is, his brain is not functioning. So he was never going to say,

yeah, I think you guys are right. No, he ran out of money because George Clooney is his boss. And of course, he's a symbol. That goes to answering another part of what Hunter Biden said. He was like, I mean, who gets elected to the Senate

seven times? What a historic career. I'll tell you who gets elected to the Senate seven times? What a historic career. I'll tell you who gets elected seven times, the guy who puts a for sale sign on his policies. That's why Joe Biden used to be known as the Senator from MBNA. That was a credit card company

based in Delaware. Because everybody knew Joe Biden will do anything for a donor, anything for a donor. He was named after a credit card company, that was his nickname. Okay, so that's how you get elected seven times over.

You say, donors, I'll do anything, I'll do anything. And then when the donors turn on you, you can't then be like, I'm so outraged. Brother, you were never in charge in the first place. Did you think you were in charge?

No, the minute that you anger the donors, in this case, it might have been legitimate. But the minute the donors are dissatisfied with you, off you go. You live by the donors, you die by the donors politically. Okay, and

Hunter's just figuring this out. Maybe he didn't have time because he was studying Ukrainian gas so much. And then last one, Obama team. Who the hell do they think they are? Brother Barack Obama anointed Joe

Biden, the president in the 2020 primaries in South Carolina. He called up everybody and said, after South Carolina, before Super Tuesday, okay, everybody shut up and endorse Biden. And they did, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, all of them,

bent the knee. They didn't bend the knee to Biden, they bent the knee to Obama. But after Obama hands you the presidency, then you turn around and go, no, why did you object? Just because my dad had dementia. Me and mommy had it figured out.

Me and mommy were going to do foreign policy and modern art. And Blinken was doing a great job of doing, I'm sorry, they're going to do domestic policy, I don't want to get it wrong. And Blinken was doing a great job of doing, I'm sorry, they're going to do domestic policy, I don't want to get it wrong. And Blinken was doing a great job

of doing foreign policy on behalf of his clients at his firm, Israel and the others. Okay, so we had this on lockdown. Why did Obama change his mind? Now, daddy, I want power back, I want money back. No one's buying my scribbles

anymore. Okay, yeah, I know Hunter, nobody is. So try to get a real job, I know Hunter, nobody is. So try to get a real job. I know that sounds like too much to ask of you. But there were two things that he

revealed there that were interesting and true. So Anita Dunn made $40 to $50 million informally consulting Biden throughout. Somebody's getting rich off that administration. Now, do you think you want Joe

Biden to go, even if he has dementia, if you're A, his son, or B, someone making 40 to 50 million dollars off of him? Okay, oops, he just revealed something interesting. Second thing is in a clip we didn't show you, he said, the debate,

he was tired, he went around the world three times, he's old man, he's 81, he said, of course, he's having trouble. Yeah around the world three times, he's an old man, he's 81. He said, of course he's having trouble. Yeah, brother, but we're not, like somebody else said it. We're not asking you,

how's your dad going to be in the nursing home? I think the positive America guys might have said, we're asking you, can he be president of the United States for the next four years? But in the midst of that rant, Hunter Biden said, and he took

an ambient because he needs to get to sleep. So how often did President Biden take an ambient? And does he, he took an ambient, was it right before the debate? Or was it 12 hours before a debate? Does he usually take ambient before he goes speaks publicly?

So these are a lot of interesting questions when in the only times where he accidentally told the truth. Yeah, there's so many moments in this interview that were very, very puzzling. But I'm also curious, who is this interview for?

Who was lining up to hear what Hunter Biden has to say? The Republicans hate him, the Democrats would rather pretend he doesn't exist because at best, he's been a headache. And again, putting it lightly for the Democratic Party and for

Biden's single term as president. Also, he's disparaging Obama. His dad would never have been president if it weren't for Obama. He's disparaging the guys from Pod Save America. They have more experience in government than he does.

But the part that got me also was the part about acting like a man who has won his reelection in Congress so many times is worth listening to. And I was like, that was the part where acting like a man who has won his reelection in Congress so many times is worth listening to. And I was like, that was the part where I was just like, they really don't get it. They really are just not listening. My God, how many times we have to tell these people that we want fresh people with fresh ideas in our government. We want to vote some of these older people out, people who have been sitting taking up seats in our house and our Senate.

We have people like Nancy Pelosi running now for her what 21st term in office. Is that something that anyone is celebrating Mitch McConnell? These people, their bodies are literally falling apart and I'm not happy about that.

But I'm saying go home, go home and rest and just move aside so other people can come in. So it is very distressing that they are clearly just not listening to the people and I don't know where we go from there. Yep. All right, guys, here's where we go from there, second hour.

So in the second hour, AOC gets criticized by the left. Are they right? Did she deserve it? We can talk about that, but you're gonna check out Yaz's Modern Context podcast, I know that. And I know you're gonna check out our videos on Rebel HQ on YouTube. So Yaz, you're awesome, thanks for joining us, appreciate it. Thanks so much, Cenk. All right, we'll be right back.