The Young Turks - Gorka's New Rules - May 14, 2026

Episode Date: May 15, 2026

China gains a major edge on the U.S. amid the Iran war, while Israel threatens legal action against The New York Times over an opinion article alleging widespread rape of prisoners. Ana interviews journalist Ken Klippenstein. Thanks to today's sponsors: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial today at shopify.com/tyt Get 40% OFF the Ground News Vantage Plan when you sign up at ground.news/tyt Stay informed without the media spin at ground.news/tyt Go to cookunity.com/tyt or enter code TYT before checkout to get 50% off your first order. Use less data, get paid by switching to Noble Mobile: https://go.tyt.com/getnoble Hosts: Ana Kasparian SUBSCRIBE on YOUTUBE ☞  https://www.youtube.com/@TheYoungTurks FOLLOW US ON: FACEBOOK  ☞   https://www.facebook.com/theyoungturks TWITTER  ☞       https://twitter.com/TheYoungTurks INSTAGRAM  ☞  https://www.instagram.com/theyoungturks TIKTOK  ☞          https://www.tiktok.com/@theyoungturks 👕MERCH  ☞      https:/www.shoptyt.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Learn more at www.f305.com slash Canada. Trump is in China, and we're going to talk about that in the show today. Welcome to the Young Turks. I'm your host, Anna Kasparian, and we have a massive show ahead for you today. In fact, a debate over AI and the future of this country with this new technology comes up. real spicy and I'm looking forward to sharing that debate with you. We'll talk a little bit about the effort to sue the New York Times for defamation because the Israelis on one hand openly boast about raping Palestinians in these prisons and then get really upset when journalists here in

America draw attention to it. So we're going to show you the receipts and it's an important story to cover. We will be having an interview with Ken Clippenstein today, not only a friend of the show, but one of the best journalists in the country. He uncovered a story about what Trump's counterterrorism czar is up to, namely labeling American citizens as terrorists, domestic terrorists, if they dare to criticize the war in Iran, if they dare to be critical of Israel's genocide, or if they just happy to be critical of President Donald Trump. So we'll get into that and more. I think the most amazing part of that story, by the way, is that Trump's counterterrorisms are is, it's got a thick accent. And it's just, it's rich to hear a guy with the thick accent wrongfully

and falsely label American citizens for practicing their First Amendment rights, domestic terrorists. But anyway, we'll get to all of that later in the show. I do want to start off though with, well, what Trump is up to with China. But more importantly, how the war in Iran has actually given China an upper hand, despite all of the propaganda we hear otherwise. Let's get into it. Turns out that the war on Iran, well, it's been pretty great for China. But, you know, that's not what you're going to hear from some of these ridiculous pro-war morons who say otherwise. They claim no, no, no, no, no. The Strait of Hormuz being blocked, that's a good thing.

It's destroying China. Is it? Now you might be wondering, what kind of moron is making that point? This guy. With regard to the Straits of Ramos, that's a strategic choke point relative to the bigger chess game, which is China, U.S. President Trump is on his way to speak with Xi. When the oil, the typically China gets from the Gulf, is not coming there. 50% of the oil that goes to China comes from the Gulf.

So I think that we're comfortable as Americans with that particular leverage points that we have over China. That was former IDF Special Forces Commander Doron Kemple claiming that the closure of the Strait of Hormuz is actually fantastic. It's really, really hurting China. Sure, buddy, sure. And we've heard this talking point from members of the Trump administration, you know, just any effort to put lipstick on a pig. The Iran war is incredibly unpopular with the American people and continues to become more and more unpopular because of the economic ramifications of the Strait of Hormuz being closed. And by the way, just a side note. As you can see, I was on that panel when Doron made that point. And I would like to, I want someone to give me props. For once, for once, give me props for doing what everyone keeps demanding that I do, which is don't interrupt. Don't jump down people's throats.

Keep your tone nice and polite and friendly. Now in that moment I did. Later in this debate, I did not. I did direct my ire toward Emily Schrader because she is a disgrace. But anyway, getting back to China, today the Washington Post published a pretty important story that Americans need to be aware of. It's an exclusive titled China Gains Major Edge on U.S. amid Iran War. Intelligence report finds a confidential assessment circulating as President Donald Trump begins his highly anticipated trip to Beijing. shows shifts in several key areas of competition. And the thing that we hear about quite a bit when it comes to China is we got to compete, we got to win, we got to win, we got to compete, we got to win, we got to compete.

We got to win the AI race. We ain't winning. And this war has put us in a worse position when it comes to competing with a rising superpower. So the story covers a U.S. intelligence report that was prepared for joint chiefs of staff, General Dan Cain. So it raised alarm within the Pentagon because of the fact that the facts are the facts. And I think we can all see how this war is putting the United States at a disadvantage. Produced by the Joint Chiefs Intelligence Directorate, the report uses what's known as

dime framework to assess China's response to the Iran conflict via four instruments of state power, diplomatic, informational, military, and economic. So here's what they found or what was reported in that intelligence report. Since the war began, China has actually managed to sell weapons to U.S. allies, namely in the Persian Gulf. So these are countries who have invested significantly in U.S. weaponry. They have hosted U.S. military bases under the impression, under the assumption that the United States would provide a security umbrella to the Gulf region. But we had depleted our missile interceptors. So once Iran started attacking the Gulf countries in retaliation for the United States attacking Iran, well, the U.S. couldn't really do much about it, could they? We couldn't use the remaining missile interceptors on them when we wanted to use them to protect Israel.

And so as a result, our Gulf allies turned to China and purchased weaponry from China in an effort to defend themselves. Now, China has also flexed its soft power, and that's honestly the area where I think China excels. Rather than using warfare, they lean into soft power, not because they're altruistic, not because they're altruistic, not because they're They're philanthropic or they're really looking out for the world. No, I mean, they see this as an opportunity to, you know, become a trusted rising superpower that countries can trust far more than the United States. That's the point that they're trying to make here. So they flex their soft power by helping countries with their energy needs. And by the way, here's another benefit to China.

China has surpassed, I mean, they've always been number one, honestly, when it's. comes to green energy, when it comes to the solar panels, things like that. And so what China has done is it has been reaching out to countries that are energy insecure as a result of this war to let them know, hey, we can help you out. We can help you with the energy needs by, you know, providing certain elements necessary for the production of renewable energy. So Trump thinks that this war is harming China. I don't know if he genuinely believes that or if that's just the lie he thinks that we're stupid enough to believe, but nonetheless, he says this because they get some of their energy, some of their oil through the Strait of Hormuz. But as Ryan Haas at the Brookings

institution points out, China is the second most insulated, insulated country in the world to the energy crisis. Only after the United States, China is presenting. itself as a solutions provider in providing access to jet fuel and other products that are in short supply as a bridge for the short term. So not only is this war failing to do what supporters of the Iran war keep claiming, it's crushing China. It's actually doing the exact opposite. And by the way, this was already predicted in the very beginning of the war. So Beijing has reached out to Thailand, Australia, the Philippines, and is offering access to Chinese-produced green energy, energy technology, and they are selling it as a long-term solution to energy and security.

And the report also went into how this war has already drained a massive amount of our munitions. We don't have to get too detailed about that since we've covered that on the show on multiple occasions, but aside from our defensive capability being diminished as a result of us putting our nose into all sorts of foreign conflicts, including providing military aid, endless military aid to Israel, military aid to Ukraine, I'm sure it took some weaponry and some bombs in order to strike fishing boats in the Caribbean. All of that puts you at a disadvantage when you start a brand new war with a country like Iran. And so they warned about that in the intelligence report. And on top of that, the Iran conflict, which has resulted in the damage or destruction of U.S. military

hardware and facilities throughout the Middle East, has allowed Beijing to observe how the U.S. fights wars and learn how to plan its own future operations. China has long sought to undermine, they write, the image of the U.S. as a responsible steward of the rules-based international order, and it views the Iran conflict as emblematic of Washington's cavalier approach to military hostilities. I mean, but where's the lie? And I say this as someone who desperately wants my country to be perceived favorably internationally. But that's just not going to happen when you get involved in foreign wars, when you carry out coups, you orchestrate coups of democratically elected leaders, when you aid and abet Israel's expansionist project, the Greater Israel Project, which leads to all sorts of crises, right?

We have crises when it comes to refugees fleeing, looking for safety. They go into other countries, those other countries get really frustrated about it. But what are they going to do? It's the United States. It's a military superpower. So we're just going to shut our mouths and, you know, bend to their will. But it's getting to a point where the international community, I think, has had enough. Because remember, this war against Iran, and it's still ongoing. Sure, there's a ceasefire right now. But the Strait of Hormuz is still closed. Trump has still decided to implement his blockade of the Strait. And the idea that this is doing us any favors is laughing. And there's still no indication that the regime in Iran is anywhere near collapse. So the Pentagon's chief spokesperson, Sean Parnell, basically dismissed the intelligence report, which isn't surprising to me whatsoever. Because of course he did. Of course he did. That's all you get from this administration. Hey, here are some receipts. We are worried about what this means for America, both economically and in terms of their national security. So what do you have to say about

this intelligence report. And he basically dismisses it. Let me give you his exact statement. Assertions claiming that the global balance of power have shifted towards any nation other than the United States of America are fundamentally false. Is that it? Is that all you have to say about this? Really? It's, I know you are, but what am I type response? There's no substance there. You're just declaring something without refuting any of the arguments being made in this intelligence report. I'd be shocked if he even read it. He doesn't care. Even more delusional was what White House spokesperson or spokeswoman Olivia Wales had to say. She claimed that the U.S. decimated the Iranian regime's military capabilities in 38 short days and is now strangling

what's left of their economy with one of the most successful naval blockades in history. Whatever helps you sleep at night, Homegirl, whatever helps you sleep at night, despite the now multiple reports, independent reports showing that Iran has still managed to access 30 out of the 33 missile sites along the Strait of Hormuz. They still have 70% of their missiles intact. What about us? Where are we at? You do a comparative analysis and we've depleted our weapons. Whereas Iran, they weren't getting mixed up in a bunch of wars over the last several decades. They've got a nice stockpile. So they can go ahead and lie to us as much as they want. But the truth is that we have already lost this war and we keep losing every single day.

Because every single day the Strait of Hormuz remains closed, gas prices go up. energy prices go up. That in turn means the cost of goods and services goes up. So how is this beneficial for the American people in any way whatsoever? But all right. And while China claims that it wants to help, you know, de-escalate this war and work toward peace, apparently Trump rejected the idea. Take a look. President Trump continues to say he's under no pressure to make a deal and hasn't given Iran a deadline, but one former U.S. diplomat sees it like this. The president has been very patient with the Iranians.

The Iranians don't see that as patience. They see it as weakness. And weakness is the exact opposite of what President Trump wants to show China's Chi Jinping this week. As a top buyer of Iranian oil, Chi could help mediate a deal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, But Trump says he's also ready to go it alone. No, I don't think we need any help with Iran. We'll win it one way or the other. We'll win it one way or the other.

Right, okay. Well, despite Trump's tough talk in the United States, what was really fascinating today was hearing what he had to say about China and its leader during this China summit. So let's take a quick look at that. We've had a fantastic relationship. We've gotten along when there were difficulties. We worked it out.

I would call you and you would call me. And whenever we had a problem, people don't know. Whenever we had a problem, we worked out very quickly. And we're going to have a fantastic future together. Such respect for China, the job you've done. You're a great leader. I say it to everybody. You're a great leader.

Sometimes people don't like me saying it, but I say it anyway because it's true. I only say the truth. He only says the truth, right? He doesn't need China's help in reopening the street. of Hormuz. Well, to be fair, China doesn't really need to do much to open the Strait of Hormuz for their own purposes, because as Trita Parsi reported today, let's take a look at his post on X. Just before Trump met with President Xi, Iranian news services reported that Chinese ships had begun transiting the Strait of Hormuz under the Iranian mechanism. While Beijing rejects a toll, it has been open to paying an administrative fee

for the environmental upkeep of the strait, which is just another way to frame the toll. The agreement neutralizes American pressure on China to side with the U.S. to open the strait, since the waterway is open to China. In fact, it reverses the pressure. If the U.S. stops these ships from transiting as part of the American blockade, Trump will be picking a losing fight with Xi while in Beijing. Instead of Trump pressuring China to help open the strait, China will pressure the U.S. to make sure the strait isn't blocked for Chinese ships. This is yet another way in which Trump's adoption of FDDs, that's an Israeli lobby, proposal for a blockade of the blockade is backfiring on the United States.

He's kind of like a smart person, as Trump likes to say about himself. Embarrassing man. But what are Trump's number one priorities? What does he care about more than anything in the world other than pleasuring the Israelis? Well, he loves making business deals on behalf of incredibly greedy corporate executives. So this summit isn't about diplomacy. This summit isn't about how the United States and China can work together to improve the lives of Americans, by the way. Right?

That's what his number one priority should be. But no, of course not. That's not his priority. His priority is to bring a gaggle of corporate executives to China with him so they can figure out ways to make business deals and profit themselves. Let me give you an example. So this was a list put together by Bloomberg. CEOs join Trump's trip to China. It lists all of the CEOs involved. You have the, of course, the CEO of Navidia. You have Elon Musk there for Tesla Inc. Tim Cook for Apple, Larry Fink for Black Rock, Steve Schwartzman for Blackstone, Kelly Orkberg for Boeing.

I mean, the list goes on and on. So just a murder's row of people who have raped and pillaged this country of its wealth. And, you know, or companies that are looking to do away with American workers so they can further maximize their profits because it's never enough. Finally, it's worth noting that Trump, you know, brought this group. And apparently he's, is eager to secure business deals from China in sectors ranging from agriculture and energy to aerospace, including a potential historic order of Boeing jets. This guy gets so H for selling Boeing jets. Nothing gets him more excited than selling military weaponry to foreign countries. The U.S. business delegation not only includes companies with significant investments and market share in China,

but also firms like Micron Technology Inc., which saw some of its products banned from critical infrastructure by Beijing after failing a cybersecurity review. How nice is that? China has cybersecurity reviews before making deals with foreign countries or foreign companies. Isn't that nice? Wouldn't it be great if we had that? But no, we have a close. relationship, a nice little alliance with a country that has taken advantage of us and literally kills people with beeper bombs. I don't want them having anything to do with my cell phone. But Mike Huckabee, who's the U.S. ambassador to Israel, argues that an end to an alliance with Israel means that we're not going to have access to these cell phones anymore. I don't even know the extent to which Israel is involved in the manufacturing of our iPhones.

But I'm not interested in them. And I would rather buy a phone that costs two times more, but doesn't have Israel's grubby little hands all over it. Wouldn't want my phone to blow up on me. But anyway, it's infuriating that we don't have a political class that gives a damn about the very people it is supposed to represent. It's disgusting. But what's even worse about this situation is that we have a president who has taken our

position on the global stage and just crushed it, squandered it, destroyed it, all because he wants to carry out the best wishes, the well-wish, whatever Israel wants he's going to do. And we're paying the price for it. So congratulations America. I had sadly a putative conservative journalist today from the Daily Caller asked me an asinine question. He said, how is the operation against Iran not another forever war? I'm not sure that Nick Fuentes or Tucker Carlson are conservatives. If you are lauding a surreal law, even the left, I'm shocked. They are so on their heels.

I did a kind of press call when we released the strategy. Fifty articles were written that day about the press call. Only one of them from those pots of political was even slightly negative. Picture this. It's midnight. You're lying in bed, scrolling through Shop, TYT, of course. Excited by that new Dragon Squad snapback you've had your eye on, but your wallets on the other side of the room. Then you see the purple shop pay button, which has your payment and shipping information saved and ready to go.

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and their shop pay button. Sign up for your $1 per month trial today at Shopify. dot com slash t yt go to shopify.com slash t yt that's shopify.com slash t yt. Sebastian gorka who sadly is Trump's counterterrorism czar is basically on a mission to label anyone who criticizes Trump, Israel or the war on Iran as a domestic terrorist. And as you just heard from that video, he is questioning the conservative, you know, credibility of people like Tucker Carlson, who would ban abortion period, or Nick Fuentes, who I don't pay attention to, and I don't know how conservative he really is. However, we do know, thanks to incredible reporting by Ken Klippenstein, that there is this effort to essentially slap that label onto

Americans, and we should be concerned about it. So the piece is titled, New Counterterror Strategy, Eyes Tucker Carlson. You could read it over at Substack, administration deems anti-Trump, right-wingers, terrorists. In it, Clippenstein writes that, that Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes have been named by the White House as possible domestic terrorists, according to the Trump administration's top counterterrorism official, Sebastian Gorka. Gorka, by the way, is a former right-wing influencer who somehow made his way to an official position with the Trump administration. But between grandiose monologues about his vision of a crusade to save Western civilization from anti-American and anti-Christian extremism, Gorka led

slip that the administration's war on domestic terrorism isn't just aimed at the left, which by the way, would be bad enough. It targets anyone who isn't in line with the broader MAGA agenda, while Trump's National Security Directive NSPM 7 explicitly singles out the left with its list of so-called terrorism indicators, many of them could describe people on the right as well. But luckily here to answer some questions about this and give us some more insight. We have friend of the show. Ken Clippenstein with us right now. Ken, thank you for, first of all, doing this report, but also for joining us. Hey, Anna, great to be back with you. Awesome. So let's just do a real quick refresher, right? Because we have covered the NSPM 7 story that

you did earlier. But for those who might have missed it, tell us a little more about that. Yeah, so NSPM 7 stands for National Security Presidential Memorandum 7. It was signed into law by President Trump, and it is a directive that long story short, defines a number of so-called indicators of future acts of terrorism. And those indicators include extremely broad categories like anti-Christian sentiment, anti-traditional family values sentiment, and extreme views on immigration. I mean, these are huge categories. What it does, it tells the entire federal government, hey, guys, we're going to prioritize this for the rest of the administration. Make your FBI, make cases around this. Treasury go through their tax.

returns, see if you can find evidence of illegality. We're going after these guys. And so what happened this month was Gorka, who runs the entire counterterrorism portfolio under the Trump administration, he's in the White House National Security Council. He put out what's called the National Counterterrorism Strategy, which is the high level kind of governing document for the entirety of the national security state saying, here's our priorities going forward specific to counterterrorism. And it echoed a lot of NSPM seven. A lot of those indicators of future acts of terrorism that I was describing before. But what's extraordinary about this document is it's the first one ever.

I mean, every administration has a national counterterrorism strategy. This is the first one that articulates American citizens as targets. And if you look at the section that lists three main priorities, it is narco groups, Islamist terrorist groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS. And the third one is the radical left. And the reason I did this story was because I wanted to stress to people, particularly on the right or people who maybe are independents don't consider themselves on the left, that they are not exempt from this because the admin can just go around and redefine arbitrarily

what they consider to be the right. And that's what he did when he was asked about by editor-in-chief of Breitbart. Are there any right-wing people that represent terrorists or extremist threats? And Gorgas said, well, people like Tucker Carlson, we don't even really consider them right. So I don't think it's fair to put them in that. And then he cited his again. example, he says he is pro-Islamic law. Yeah, Sharia law. And I went and looked at the example, because anyone who knows anything about Tucker is kind of like, what? I don't think, unless he's radically changed in the last several months, I don't think he is. So I looked it up. And he was making some comment about visiting Saudi Arabia and how people seem more welcoming and hospitable

there than he thought that they would be. And he said it was a Sharia law state. And despite that, they were seemed to open to his Christianity. That is not pro-Sheria law. Wait, I'm sorry, Saudi Arabia, the country that we're kind of aligned with and do business deals with and sell weapons to. So is the entirety of the federal government basically a group of terrorists because they're selling weapons agreeing to sell weapons to Saudi Arabia? Yeah, this is where people aligned with Trump have been saying about Carlson. You know, one commentator, Laura Lumer, she's been saying he's, what is it, backed by Qatar? how can he be critical of this war in Gaza unless he's on the take or something. And there's no evidence for any of that.

It could just be he thinks these things. And I wish that as a country, we could appreciate that more because I so often, it's not just gorka. I see so often people are like, oh, you're clearly getting paid by this or you got tricked by bots here. It's like maybe people just think things. Whatever happening people just, and they can even be wrong. But maybe they're wrong because they came to their own conclusions that were wrong.

Can't that be a possibility? But that's the backdrop of all of this terror obsession is that everyone is an actor on behalf of something else. And it's just so out of control. I mean, I'm going to throw egg on my own face right now because years ago, I made that terrible mistake. There was something that Aaron Mote, who's a great reporter, had reported that I disagreed with. And I let people get into my head and make me think that he's like some sort of Russian agent. And I made an accusation against him that he could have easily sued me for, by the way. That was totally unfounded.

Totally unfounded. So like for anyone who's watching this, please don't fall prey to those ridiculous claims, right? And I apologize to him years later, which is embarrassing. But just when people tell you that they believe something, okay, engage with the substance of their argument as opposed to dismissing them as someone who's being paid to say X, Y, or Z. In the case of Tucker Carlson, he hasn't gone through some extreme evolution or change. The one area where I think he has grown a little bit is he went from saying pretty hideous things about Muslims back in the day to, I think understanding now that a lot of that propaganda was meant to manufacture consent for Israel's wars in the Middle East. And so he's been speaking out against that on his show quite regularly. Candace Owens is doing the same.

And I think that's part of the reason why they're drawing the ire of people they use. to be fully aligned with. What exactly are the so-called terror indicators outside of what you've described? Is there anything else that they're looking at? Yeah, so the way that the document, and I would encourage everyone to go read it, it's up on the White House page. There's been pitifully little media reporting, just independent shows like yours having me on talking about it. And Gorka at the top, the clip you played, they're spiking the football.

They're slapping each other on the back, thrilled at how little critical reporting they're getting for this. And he's publicly bragging about it. I couldn't believe that. And he's right. He's right. He's so right. No, I thank you for sharing this video, Ken, because I think our audience needs to see it. Here's Sebastian Gorka confessing that our media does not work for us, the American people, at all.

They provide cover. Let's take a look at the, let's go to C2. Even the left, I'm shocked. They are so on their heels. I did a kind of press call when we released the strategy. 50 articles were written that day about the press call. Only one of them from those pusses of political was even slightly negative. The rest was pretty accurate reporting.

So we are moving so fast they just can't keep up with us, which is delicious. It's wonderful. And of course, by accurate reporting, he means reporting that's favorable, propaganda that supports what I'm doing. It's unbelievable, Ken. I mean, what do you think is the reason for that? Do you think it's because legacy media outlets like this and they don't want to draw any negative attention to it? Well, on the topic of national security, which is what I tend to focus on in the newsletter that I run, the reason I do that is because it's so arcane.

It's a little bit of a background in it to understand how to decode the terminology that they use. But to answer the question you posed before, some of the stuff is just like on its face crazy. I don't know what other word you use for it. So if you read that national counterterrorism strategy, it defines left-wing radical terrorism. It says transgender extremism. And it lists, I mean, it's like, and there's no evidence. There's no like here's why we think this or why that constitutes a threat. So they very clearly are going through and just looking at like cultural markers that they can then define.

And it's not, it goes beyond even that because they included those two conservative figures we mentioned before. So and that's the point I'm trying to stress to people is it's like it is pointed at the left. but not just the left, because I think that's the message that's getting lost. To the extent that there was any discussion of this at all, there was a little bit of like, oh, it mentions the domestic American left. And that is unprecedented. You don't do that. You're supposed to target groups overseas.

And because the whole point is terrorism as an approach is essentially pre-crime. You can open an investigation to someone without a crime having been committed. Because the idea is that 9-11 or something like it, a nuclear attack or something, a suitcase bomb, is so dangerous that we're going to suspend the usual Fourth Amendment protections we have where you bring before a judge evidence of something having been committed. And you can actually preempt the crimes. Well, how do you do that? You monitor speech.

And that is what those indicators are for. And so they're going to be looking at people that match whatever their definition of gender extremism or extreme views on immigration or whatever it is. And that's really dangerous. Yeah, you know, it's interesting because right now, this might be the first time in my adult life where I'm noticing that ordinary voters, both on the left and the right, are finding common ground on some pretty big issues, whether it's the war in Iran, whether it's our alliance with Israel. And they're becoming

increasingly vocal about it and actually flirting with the idea of working together to kind of change our system and go in a different direction. And so I think the biggest mistake Americans can make is seeing everything through a partisan lens where they think like, oh, it's my guy doing this to punish the other side. I'm going to be safe. It's going to be fine. But no, when you are willing to turn a blind eye to abuses of power, especially when the government is carrying it out,

they're going to come for you too. Trust me. And that's what we're seeing here right now. I want to go to one other video that you shared that I thought was telling. So Gorka says anyone asking, how the Iran war is going is just a moron. And no, this is going well. And anyone questioning it as another forever war is a moron essentially.

Let's take a look at what he had to say. I had sadly a putative conservative journalist today from the daily caller. Ask me an asinine question. He said, how is the operation against Iran, not another forever war? The idea, I mean, you just have to be, either low tea or you have to be mentally challenged to compare decades of forever wars with thousands of American casualties

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So a conservative journalist asked him that question, which is a perfectly valid question to ask. And that was his reaction. So my question to you, Ken, is could being vocal and incredibly critical against the war be one of the markers that Gorka uses to label you a domestic terrorist? Absolutely. Because that is what describes those two figures we were talking about before. Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson, they broke with Trump very bitterly over the Iran war in particular, and that is why they're on the outs. Before that, Tucker was close with Trump and endorsed him, has since apologized for his endorsement. So there was a relationship there, which no longer

exists because of exactly the issue that Gorka here in the video you just played is saying not only is ridiculous and idiotic to ask, but he's questioning the conservative bona fides of the journalist asking him it. He's doing the exact same thing as he is to the other two. And so what this provides us is a hint about how the administration sees these terms when they're going on and saying, oh, we only focus on the left. Well, but you just move the goalposts around to redefine that as being whoever it is that you're in conflict with. Yeah. You know, I'm also wondering how this would work, right? So let's say Gorka decides to label certain people in this country, falsely label them as domestic terrorists. What happens then? So I, I think,

I think when people look at something like that, they tend to go to the extreme and say, oh, or is it going to be like extraordinary rendition and someone shot? That's like the extreme end that we really don't want it to get towards. But at the beginning of the spectrum, we're already seeing things happening, which is having a chilling effect on speech. I have interviewed protesters that have been visited by the FBI over what is clearly NSPM 7 related pretexts and then tell me, well, no crime was alleged, nothing happened, I'm fine, but I'm a little bit scared.

Maybe I won't go to the next protest. That's what we're seeing at cities across the country. We've seen that in Portland as well, in Chicago. And I'm sure countless examples that haven't even been reported. Because a lot of these people are just young people, ordinary people go into a protest. And they don't necessarily have the microphone of being able to go on a national news outlet. Or they're just scared and don't want to talk. I've had several cases like that where people don't want to go public.

So we're already seeing the chilling effect. The other part that we're not seeing is what intelligence work they're doing. By the time they end up filing charges, that is a late stage in the game. The FBI frequently will spend years investigating something before they feel they have something strong enough to take to court. Or they just want to gather intel and they don't want to make it public because when you go to court, then some of the information gets out there. So the answer is intelligent stuff. And what that is specifically, we don't know because that's how intelligence stuff works. And that's what I'd be worried about right now.

And if you don't know, it's hard to challenge what the federal government. government is doing in court, right? I mean, how are you going to know they're doing this? How are you going to know they're collecting or surveilling you and collecting information about you and your whereabouts, what you're doing, who you're messaging? I mean, this is, this is crazy stuff. And, you know, to your point about the failure in our media, that makes it more difficult for some of the possible good actors in our government to potentially sue the Trump administration over this, to prevent it from happening, or to fight back in any way. So it's, It's not good, and I'm grateful that you're reporting on it at least. Has anyone shown you

any interest in this reporting from legacy media? No, no. And it's kind of funny because the picture is so distinct. Legacy media almost zero interest in it, as Gorka said, like what was it, one out of 16 or even slightly negative, but on the part of independent media, has been overwhelming, including conservative media. You know, I watched Alex Jones had a segment on it. And it was actually pretty good. And it makes me think, yeah. Yeah. And it makes me think like, man, maybe if there could just be more reporting of this sort, we have some infrastructure to be able to get stuff out there, even if it doesn't reach the kind of big corporate outlets. Because, because, yeah, the independent media, they were incensed about this and not just the left. There

were some really big conservative commentators I saw talking critically about this, which I hadn't expected. So that says to me, I need to stress more the stakes that people who are not just on the left have in regards to this stuff because there's a lot. Absolutely. So for everyone who's watching this right now, when we upload this video, please share it and share it with anyone you can, share it on your socials because we want to build a critical mass that pushes back against this. It's wrong to see someone like Gorka brag about how he's getting away with it. And he's getting away with it due to the failures of our legacy media. So again, Ken, thank you for your reporting. Everyone go check out his work over at Substack.

It's an incredible news. I don't even like calling it a newsletter. I feel like that minimizes what you do, to be honest with you. But excellent reporting as always. Thank you so much, Ken. Thanks so much, Anna. Good seeing you again. Good to see you too, Anna. You didn't witness that, because that's not what the footage shows. And that actually has been investigated in the course. I watched the video myself. I watched the video myself. Anna, I have a screenshot. I have a screenshot. I'll share it immediately after this interview. In fact, I have a screenshot of you defaming me on social media, calling me a traitor to the United States. When you have a screenshot, when you have You have no such evidence.

You are a traitor to the United States. You're about to see more of that debate in just a moment. But before we get to that, Israel has declared that they plan to sue the New York Times over Nicholas Christoph's report on the sexual abuse of Palestinian detainees in Israeli prisons. Of course. Of course they are. Now, Christoph's column, for those of you who somehow missed it, alleged a pattern of widespread Israeli sexual violence against men, women, and even children by soldiers, settlers, interrogators in the Shinbet Internal Security Agency and above all, prison guards. So I do not want to get back into the details of that story because it is really, really difficult to read and just it makes you want to lose all hope in humanity.

It's just some of the most vicious crimes against humanity you can imagine. And the Times of Israel reports that Israel's foreign ministry has alleged that the Times deliberately published Christop's column ahead of an independent Israeli report. The found Hamas had systematically, that word is really important, systematically used sexual violence in the onslaught of October 7, 2023, which sparked the war in Gaza. The foreign ministry claimed that the Times had been approached with the Israeli report months ago. So what? Like, first of all, the New York Times can publish whatever the hell they please,

whenever they want to publish it. That's not a crime. And suing for defamation, I don't even know if that's part. to do by a foreign country, are they going to have standing? Besides which, defamation is going to be really difficult to prove it. I'm going to show you why in just a second. But before I do, let me just note that the commission report that was referenced by the Times of Israel is something that we are also going to talk about a little later in this segment.

So just hold on for that. But again, I mean, the claim that the New York Times published this story when they knew a commission report was going to come out around the same time. That's not a crime. I don't know why they even mentioned that. Like what kind of reporting is that? Of course, Benjamin Netanyahu waited on this as well, saying today I instructed my legal advisors to consider the harshest legal action against the New York Times and Nicholas Christoph. You're a war criminal, Benjamin Netanyahu. You are literally wanted. There's a warrant out for your arrest by the international criminal court. You're a war criminal. You have slaughtered so many people, including journalists, doctors, aid workers, emergency workers.

The idea that this guy has a moral high ground on literally anything is laughable. But generally speaking, foreign countries don't have legal standing in defamation suits of the United States. And besides which defamation suits in the United States between two people living in the United States, incredibly difficult to win. Incredibly difficult to win because you have to prove actual malice. In this case, there was no actual malice. And there's no indication that Christoph did anything to defame Israel. Israel defames itself every single day by their own actions.

Okay, I mean, it's amazing. But, okay, I actually think that it would be fantastic, absolutely fantastic, if some way, somehow, this defamation suit goes to court. Because if it goes through a typical discovery process, oof, oof, oof, oof, I jump in it. I would love it. I would absolutely love it. Because when you consider what Israelis say in Israel openly,

candidly, on broadcast television, can you imagine what they're willing to say behind the scenes, private emails, text messages, things like that? Can you imagine? Can you imagine what it would be? like for the New York Times in this lawsuit to get footage, surveillance footage from these prisons where these Palestinian detainees are being raped. I say that they move forward with this lawsuit. I don't know if they're able to actually do it. But if they are, that could actually

be very enlightening for the American people. But with that in mind, let's talk a little bit about what you can hear if you're living in Israel and watching their entertainment and their news programs. So here's Hanuk Milwitsky, who's a Lakud member of the Knesset, basically shouting that everything is legitimate when he was asked if it's okay for IDF soldiers to use metal rods to anally rape Palestinian detainees. So this is going to be in Hebrew, and when we come back from the video, I'll go ahead and read you the transcription of it. Take a look. that there's who in the reprimatutut

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Okay, so the man that's challenging Hanak is M.K. Ahmed TB for the audio listeners who are wondering what

Hanak said. Here's the transcription, okay? quote, the insanity that our country is having around this story is crazy and we need to stop it. I think we need to set a personal example here. And I say now and I call on my coalition friends to do the same. Okay, well, what is he calling for? I will stand up and I will leave this place and I will not vote for anything until this story

and this insanity that there is someone in the prosecutor's office who thinks that this is, is possible to come and arrest soldiers for things they are doing to the Kassam brigades, terrorists. So basically he argues that once he's challenged, you think it's okay to use the metal rods to rape detainees in these prisons? Here's what he says. Quote, yes, if he is in the Kossum brigades, everything is legitimate, everything. That Palestinian man never stood trial for anything. There was no indication, there's no proof, there's no conviction that that guy was a terrorist. And he was gang raped by IDF soldiers, and it was all caught on surveillance.

All of it. There are other examples, too, especially on and unsurprisingly on Israel's Channel 14. Let's take a look at that. He got it with a knife. Who is the kelev of this? Kellev, this Django. It's in all pailout, he was in mialos. Jangu?

He was in Gaza. He said, no. The life of my mother's she called me, agave, Django. Yeah. A tipel a little bit inouchevot in a lot, it's a lot. I don't tell you things that...

In short, Otto Magad. So the host asks the soldier, the IDF soldier, about his dog, Django, and that the dog took care of some prisoners, took care of some prisoners at the notorious Sidd-Tieman prison,

and that they did a lot, that the dogs did a lot. They're bragging about the dog rape on Channel 14. They're bragging about it. An IDF soldier is on Channel 14 in Israel, freaking bragging about it. So I'd like to ask Netanyahu, who are you going to sue bitch for defamation?

You're going to go after that IDF soldier for saying that, you know, the canines are used to take care of the Palestinians? Freaking monsters, man. Freaking monsters. And then they have the audacity to point to people, like us and act like we're the bad guys. Who are they're anti-Semitic? Are we?

Or do we care about humanity? This has nothing to do with Judaism. This has to do with human decency. This has to do with Israel's crimes against humanity. That's what this has to do with. And even some comedians are doing crowd work that involves poking fun at prison rape. Let's look at that example.

There are people who have done what? And what do you say? You are sitting in the dark. What is the absolute worst thing you've done to them? Come on now, come on, make us blush just a little bit. I exercise my right to remain silent. That is really quite nice. I love to visit.

That is wonderful. The entire audience, those guilty of crimes against humanity are all applauding. Wonderful. What is? And they regret it and say, no, I've seen enough. We need to move on to other things. Do they apologize or something? What do I think?

I don't know what you did. If his mouth is sealed and he can speak, then he can just go. I don't know what you did. Do they also choose? Like, can you only with a broomstick? They're like asking. Real funny. There's a sickness in the society there.

That wasn't funny. That was just joking around about something that everyone seems to acknowledge is happening. And what's happening is a crime. What's happening is beyond immoral, beyond. Beyond. And Nick Christoph is the bad guy because he's reporting on it. Amazing, really incredible stuff. And honestly, that's how normalized raping Palestinians and prisons is, apparently, in Israel.

That's insane. But Emily Schrader thinks that Christoph should have been fired over doing his job and reporting on something that, honestly, in legacy media, it takes a lot of courage to report on. Because we know legacy media provides cover for Israel, day in, day out. But Christoph decided, you know what, I'm going to do some real journalism here. I'm going to go to the West Bank, I'm going to talk to people and figure out what's going on. Here's what Emily Schrader said. Nick Christoph should really be fired over this. Yeah, Israeli propagandist who gets laundered as a journalist here in the United States has thoughts on journalism.

And this topic came up during Pierce Morgan uncensored and here's how it went down. In fact, I would probably have been more likely to believe some of the claims that were made by Christoph, if it had been done as a news article. We all witnessed an IDF gang rape of a Palestinian hostage in one of these. You didn't witness that, Anna, because that's not what the footage shows. And that actually has been investigated in the courts. I watched the video myself. I watched the video myself.

I watched the video myself. Anna, you interrupted me as a matter of fact. There was a group of IDF soldiers who were caught on surveillance footage. This is a video I watch is a video that many people have seen themselves. The gang rape happens, okay? The Palestinian man who suffered that sexual abuse had internal injuries that were so bad that he had to be in the hospital for weeks upon weeks. Okay, they used objects to rape him anally. I mean, it was one of the most horrific things I've ever witnessed myself.

And you know what happened, Pierce, after there was some indication that maybe, just maybe these IDF soldiers would suffer some punishment for what they did. There were protests in Israel. There was rage over the notion that they would ever suffer any consequences for what they did. And later they were made to be television stars. They were brought on interview shows, celebrated. There is a sickness in the society right now. So that's how that went down. Emily Schrader is a disgrace, absolute disgrace.

On one hand, I mean, look, the first question in that debate went to me. Pears Morgan asked me about some Israeli community. mission report about rapes that took place on October 7th. I hadn't heard of that report, so I didn't even get a chance to read it or comment on it. But I made it abundantly clear. It's wrong regardless of who carries it out, period. It's not that difficult to respect the humanity of civilians, human beings. It's not that hard to say rape shouldn't take place, period. It's not difficult. But Emily seemed to have a difficult time acknowledging the reality on one side, while, of course, emphasizing the importance and the credibility and the merit of that commission

report, which again, we're going to get to in just a second because the credibility has been called into question. Because remember, the argument that the Israelis are trying to make is that Hamas systematically raped Israelis. It's a tool of war that they use. But there's no evidence of Do I deny that Hamas has ever raped in Israeli? No, of course I don't deny that. Of course that's happened. But systematically, I'm going to need to see some hard evidence for that. We'll get back to that in just a second though, because I want to get to Shail. Shail Ben Eprim is just an incredible person. He was an IDF soldier turned whistleblower. So there are good people who are firm believers in Zionism. They've been serving in

IDF and then they realize, oh my God, what is this? I don't want to be part of this. And he is now a pretty hardcore whistleblower. I'm sure many of you have seen him on X, blowing the whistle day in and day out. In fact, I believe he might have been one of the sources for Nick Christoph's reporting. Don't quote me on that. It's my speculation. But nonetheless, I want to go to what he had to say in the context of this debate. Nick Christoph is working in an environment. And we can't investigate properly because the authorities aren't letting him. So he's doing the best he can as a journalist in order to force the authorities to investigate it. That's the whole point here.

There have been absolutely no convictions, no serious investigations into any cases of wrongdoing. Not only has no one been imprisoned, but no one's even been removed from their jobs, despite one investigation into a murder and another investigation. into a brutal sexual assault. So what Christoph is doing is he's going into an environment where the authorities are no way willing to cooperate and breaking the lid of silence. And that's not the same as a commission that has the cooperation of the authorities, that has the cooperation of the military that's in control of the area and is able to do that kind of forensic evidence.

I thought that was a really important point for him to make. And I'm grateful for him every single day. because he's someone who witnessed things himself. He is an Israeli. He served in the IDF, and he is informing people about what's really going on, and that's so necessary right now. Now, what he was referencing there was the report that I've been kind of talking about a little bit here. It's the Israeli Civil Commission, which purports to provide evidence of widespread,

systematic rapes being carried out by Hamas on October 7th. Now, that report has been called into question due to the fact that it turns out that there was no commission. It just has an investigation done by one person. And that one person has had some serious credibility issues in the past. So as Aaron Matte writes on X, the author of this report is a documented fraudster and grifter who even Israeli officials have faulted for inaccurate research. The report approvingly cites other documented fraudsters, including those who spread the beheaded baby's hoax, which I sadly fell for myself. And I will always apologize when I get something wrong. I was naive. I just didn't think that anyone would be disgusting enough

to make something like that up. But I've learned my lesson. With that in mind, I looked into what Mote was claiming here to confirm it, right? Because I want to make sure I'm not accusing someone of wrongdoing when there isn't any real evidence of it. And it turns out that Motei is correct. So the Israeli publication, Wynet, reported that, quote, Kochev-Ka-ilkiam-Levi is the person who put out the report and is not credible. So an Israeli government source told the paper, quote, people disconnected from her, or I'm sure that means like distance themselves from her, because her investigation is not accurate. So the source specifically cited how she spread a false story about Palestinian fighters slicing the belly of a pregnant woman, a story that was proven

later to be untrue. And she spread it all over the international media. I remember that story. And so the Israeli government source who spoke to Wynet said the following, it's no joke. Little by little, professionals have begun to distance themselves from her because she is unreliable. The paper had also exposed that she tried to pass off, this is amazing, she tried to pass off an old picture of a deceased Kurdish fighter in a completely different country as one of the Israeli October 7th victims. So that's a problem. That's a huge problem. And there's more. So in order to carry out this report,

you're going to ask the government for grants, for money. Just like is the case here in the United States, right? If you want to carry out a certain report on behalf of the government, you're going to ask for a grant. That's what she did. Okay. So apparently to fund this civil commission, you hear commission, you think there's going to be multiple people involved.

It's just her. She says that the commission needed $8 million for its work in 2024, of which $1.5 million would go to management and administration. Management of what? It's a one-person shop. But there is no commission, and she's the only person in this investigation. As WhiteNet reports, the Israeli government official or a government source told them, at first she really was very active and it was very nice. And then she started calling herself civil commission. People got confused, members of the U.S. Congress to turn to people who work with Israel and asked what this was about. Did Israel create a commission? It's a confusing name. And to the question of, is there such a thing at all? Is there such a body? The answer is no.

She is the body. She is the civil commission. Wow. And you should take a look at what Channel 13 in Israel had to say about her. This is Raviv Drucker, and he also seems to call her credibility into question. Take a look. You can't know, also the nature of which is very much. The So she is the nativot. There's a nesivot, an nesvot of a gulfed that's

a new a newlata brucha, that's that if you make get a Muzah, so Drucker says,

they mention her starting a civil commission to raise awareness. It bears mentioning that the name Civil Commission is very bombastic. The commission is her,

and she is the commission. So I'm showing you Israeli media, Home Boys and Home Girls. I'm not making this up. This is what Israel has to say about. about her while this commission and this report is being sold to Americans as credible.

Again, I don't doubt that there have been instances of rape carried out. The question is whether or not it was a tool of war that was systematically used by Hamas. The other thing that I find a little strange, and Israelis bordering Gaza also find a little strange, is that there are home surveillance was deleted. You know, their outside surveillance cameras, the footage was deleted by the government. Why? Why? Why did they delete that? That's kind of weird.

Horat's reported on that, and I find that incredibly strange. So look, at the end of the day, my take is go ahead, Israel, go ahead and sue the New York Times. Hopefully you're able to do it, and I hope we go through a nice, lengthy discovery process. But my suspicion here is that they're using the Alan Dershowitz model of trying to intimidate people into silence. And that is to threaten lawsuits. He's done it to me. And I said, bring it on. I didn't say anything defamatory. I'm ready to go. Did he sue me? No, of course not. He doesn't want to go through a discovery process, of course. So I think that's what this is really about.

And hopefully, Christoff, along with the entirety of the New York Times, their management, stick by him, stick by their reporting, and refuse to be intimidated. We'll see. For now, we're going to take a quick break. And we'll be back with the second hour, including Tulsi Gabbard, maybe getting rated, maybe not. What's going on? I'll break it all down for you. What's up, everyone?

Welcome back to the show. Nice elevator music. I'm loving it. Although I'd love the house music to make a reappearance part. No pressure, no pressure. Anyway, I'm going to read some comments since I haven't been doing a great job reading them so far. The show has been a little bit hectic today. Let's go to Mohit Bake, who says, I get the concerns about data centers, but I work in tech so I'm financially biased.

Compromise. Tech companies fund their own water slash power via desalination rain capture and private grids, no public utilities or taxpayer subsidies. I like most of your solutions. I'm not really sure we need AI. No one asks for this. You know what I'm saying? So I get that you work in tech. I'm sure you'll still be gainfully employed if we don't pursue AI.

But it doesn't matter. We didn't get a say in it. It's happening anyway. And it's going to be incredibly disruptive when it comes to the job market. And when people don't have livelihoods, when they feel like they have no hope. Things start to get really scary. So I'm worried.

So we're going to get into that topic a little later in the show. Pakistani American Hawk Sentinel says, A-PAC and all you, Hasbara clouds are melting down. Your precious most moral army just got caught red-handed, violating Palestinian prisoners at Sigmund. They said that IDF uses sticks and trained dogs. Everyone knew about the dogs. Even Bermuda Triangle folks, if would exist, oh, folks, sorry, I can't really understand what this is.

Even Bermuda Triangle folks, if they exist, knew about New York Times dropping the full horror report on Netanyahu's team is screaming defamation, lawsuit like cowards, Anna, the TYT Queen. With all your receipts, you should DM the New York Times today and team up. Two truth bombs equals lawsuit. So look, I'm not going to team up with the New York Times. They're going to be fine. Okay? I hope they're not going to be intimidated because that's what this lawsuit is really about.

But if it really does make its way to court, which would be amazing, I think they've got the resources to defend their reporting. But we'll see. We'll see how it plays out. YTP renewed says left and right were undefinable from the start. 100%. I mean, I used to feel so salty toward people who rejected both sides of the political aisle, but I understand them now a lot more than I've ever understood them.

So apologies for not getting it previously. But anyway, I just free yourselves, guys, try to free yourselves from seeing everything through a partisan let's have your values. Don't let go of your principles and your values. That's important. But being tribal in your politics is like a prison and you'll find yourself cheerleading people who are screwing you just like just as badly on some of these issues as Republicans are. Not all issues. I want to be clear about that. There are definitely issues that I think Democrats are better on. However, I mean, what really changed my perspective on our political system and the Democratic Party overall was that the genocide started under Biden. It started under Biden.

Seeing the behavior of the Democratic Party during a genocide while they aid and abet it, they fund it, they support it, they make excuses for it. I can never look at them the same again. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Anyway, let's get to our next story. Well, Tulsi Gabbard allegedly got rated and then later didn't get rated. That was according to Republican Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna, who made a pretty explosive claim about the CIA raiding the office of the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard. But she later walked her statement back. So what's going on here? And to be honest with you all, even after walking her statement back, even after the claims of Tulsi Gabbard being.

rated were denied, I'm still pretty worried about what's going on here. So let me make my case. Let me give you the details. So to understand how this story developed, we need to understand the context, right? So it started with a CIA whistleblower making a pretty explosive claim that the CIA seized several documents that were being reviewed by Tulsi Gabbard's office. Interesting, what kind of documents are we talking about here? Now, I initially thought these documents had to do with the war on Iran, but no, that's not what this is about. So the CIA whistleblower, his name is James Erdman III, who was a former CIA employee and is now the co-founder of the conservative action group Feds for Freedom, said that the CIA had removed documents

from ODNI during a congressional hearing regarding the agency's handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. So I want to show you that video and then we'll discuss. When the dig ceased operations, the CIA also took back 40 boxes of JFK files and MK Ultra files being processed for declassification by DNI Gabby. Okay, so documents that were being processed for declassification, what is that about? Well, if you all can remember, Trump had said that he was going to be far more transparent. Let's all stop for laughter. But he ordered the release of all remaining documents pertaining to the JFK, RFK, RFK, and milk assassinations. Now, according to Tucker Carlson, we don't have all of the documents that were promised,

certainly not when it comes to the JFK files, which I think is interesting. But nonetheless, Trump also called for the documents related to MK Ultra, which was the CIA's mind control experiment program to also be released. And as head of the ODNI, Gabbard was reviewing some of these documents before releasing them to the public, the declassified version. Now, Republican Florida Representative Anna Paulina Luna expressed her absolute outrage over this. She was on News Nation where she said the following. Take a look. You also have some news coming out of the CIA that you'd like to share. Yeah, so we were actually just notified that the CIA went in and took documents out of OD&I,

multiple boxes pertaining to the JFK files as well as MK Ultra. The reason why this is troubling is A, there was an executive. order that the president had directed the full declassification of JFK, but then also to the MK Ultra files. The CIA famously has said that, you know, all documents were released and other documents had been destroyed. So these are allegedly those documents that apparently never existed. And so very troubling.

I did just talk to Chairman Comer and we are sending in the next hour or so a preservation of documents requests to the CIA. I have calls into the White House to the director of the CIA himself. And so obviously, as this develops, we'll keep everyone up to date, but strange times we're living in. Absolutely strange times we're living in. Now, she also posted the following on social media on X. So she says that given the nature of documents in question, we are sending a preservation notice. Docs needed to be returned to OD&I, given that ODNI was given direction and authority by the president to declassify RFK, MLK and JFK.

documents regarding MK Ultra, these were documents specifically requested by my task force and currently being used for our investigation. And her concerns were echoed by others, namely Jesse Waters on Fox, who posted about it and then later deleted it, which prompted Olivia Coleman, the press secretary for the office of the Director of National Intelligence, commented on a Fox News report about the allegations writing on X. This is false. The CIA did not raid the DNI's office. Okay.

Whether it was a raid or not, I don't really care. Did the CIA go in to her office and take documents? And I want to know why they did that. I want to know why they did that. Whether it's a raid or not, who cares? I mean, a raid, did I ever think that like federal agents like busted down her door? and like pointed weapons at her and like, you know, took weapon, took her document. No, I don't think that happened.

But the fact of the matter is that the CIA went into her office and took documents out, specifically the documents that are supposed to be declassified and released the public. What is that? Luda went on to clarify after the press secretary for the office of the ODNI made their statement that there was no raid. Clarification took documents that ODNI has jurisdiction over. Also, this did not happen today and was not a raid. However, it did take place and we are just being made aware of it based on reporting.

And that's a problem, right? That's a problem. The CIA is out of control, like totally out of control. Oh, the CIA doesn't want the release of MK Ultra documents. You know, MK. Ultra, the CIA mind control garbage scandal that we have in our history. Oh, they don't want those documents to be declassified and released to the public. What a shocker. Wow. Out of control. Out of control. Okay, so Luna also said, also responded to Nick Sorter, a conservative media person, for saying, that Luna was making things up for attention. She says, this is false. I never claimed a raid was

made. Show me one clip when I say that. Who cares? Who cares if it's a raid or not? The point is that documents are supposed to be released to the public after being declassified. So she continues, OD&I did confirm docs were taken that were under their jurisdiction. That is a problem. Also, this is directly based off whistleblower testimony and ODNI. I don't know what low-level staffers you were talking to, but this was directly confirmed, hence the preservation of documents letter from oversight signed by the chairman of the oversight committee. Okay. I don't think Luna is doing anything wrong here.

In fact, Luda is doing what I think every member of Congress should do, which is demand answers about documents that were taken out of Tulsi Gabbard's office, but we're supposed to be released to the public after being declassified. Like, we need to understand why that happened. So I'm sorry, like I've got issues with Anna Paulina Luna and other issues. But on this, I don't think she's the bad guy. She wants answers. And honestly, I would like to see members of Congress demand answers more often.

The CIA has yet to respond to these comments or, you know, explain why they took the documents in the first place. However, they did offer a full-throated condemnation of the CIA whistleblower who embarrassed them for they're out of control behavior. And I don't really care to read it, to be honest with you. So I'm not going to. Instead, we are going to just acknowledge the fact that people under Tulsi Gabbard entered her office and took documents under her jurisdiction that we're supposed to be able to see eventually after they're declassified.

We need answers. It's that simple. Anyway, we got to take a break. When we come back, I'll probably read some. comments and we'll get into that AI debate. It's going to get real spicy. Come right back. Welcome back to the show, everyone. Lady AF in our member section writes in and says, kind of sucks being right about this kind of stuff. And she's referring to Ken Klippenstein's reporting about the administration looking to label American citizens domestic terrorists for being too critical of things that Trump

likes. Love your neighbors, especially the ones you don't like. Lady AF, that is exactly right. And that is a challenging thing to do. I totally understand that. But try to have empathy for your fellow Americans and save the ire for the people in positions of power who continuously screw us. Rupert 199 says, the intelligence main concern is sympathy for Iran in regards to, in regards of discontent. They know Americans are angry with the whole situation, as they should be, as they should

be. And I think you're right, Rupert. I really do think that this is an effort to intimidate and silence. individuals who have been vocal in criticizing this war. Now, I think that what we should do is really help to inform everyone about what their rights are, because we still have our constitutional rights. And so we can't allow them to intimidate us. I will never allow any. I live in America. I believe in our constitution. I love this country. I genuinely do. And so the idea that I'm going to let, you know, either a foreign country or these subversive, nefarious creatures in the Trump

administration rob me of my rights to speak my mind? No, that's not going to happen. That's not going to happen. So don't let them scare you. That's my number one piece of advice. All right, we got to talk about AI. This is something that I want to do more and more coverage of because it's an important story. And luckily, there was a debate about it yesterday between Tucker Carlson and Mr. Wonderful. That's Kevin O'Leary. So let's get into it. I'm just very concerned about replacing people, their purpose for living, which is to create with machines. That seems like hell to me. How is this capitalism? If taxpayers are paying for some of it, how is that capitalism? That seems- I think that's no different than building an apartment building downtown in Austin.

You can get incentives for that too. And that's just part of how it works. You can debate that. How is that capitalism? How is that free market? If politicians are handing you other people's money to do it, how is that capitalism? Yeah, that's a good question. How exactly is that capitalism when you're dealing with private, I'm sorry, public subsidies as opposed to private investment to, you know, fund your little venture here. Now, Tucker Carlson decided to spar with Kevin O'Leary, otherwise known as Mr. Wonderful. He's a Canadian businessman, and the topic of discussion was AI, specifically AI data centers and the impact of AI on the American workforce. What really stood out to me, though, throughout this entire conversation slash debate, was honestly O'Leary's lack of concern for American jobs, American workers and his sense of entitlement when it comes to tax breaks and subsidies.

And also the reality that Tucker really is worried about AI. And I say the reality because a lot of people think that it's all for show. He's a phony. He's a fake. I don't get that sense when it comes to certain topics. And this topic is one of them. Now, why do I say that? Let's go all the way back, all the way back to 2018 when Tucker Carlson was discussing this topic with Ben Shapiro. You make specific reference to truck driving and the fact that there are going to be these automated cars on the roads. So would you Tucker Carlson be in favor of restrictions on the ability of trucking companies to use this sort of technology specifically to, you know, sort of artificially maintain the number of jobs that are available in the trucking

industry? Are you joking? In a second. In a second. And I maybe would make up some pretext for for public consumption like, oh, they're dangerous. The technology's not quite finessed. No, no. But the truth would be, I don't want to put 10 million men out of work. Because you're going to have 10 million dead families and the cascading effect from that will wreck your country. Okay, so that was eight years ago.

And so anyone who's going to make the argument that Tucker is making these claims about AI because he plans on running for president, he doesn't actually mean it. Really, he's, that's the long game, I guess, because eight years ago he was hatching this plan to run for president and present himself as something he really isn't. I just, I think he actually does care. And he's actually worried because a lot of people have already started losing their jobs as a result of AI. And it is going to get worse. So he wants to know what we're going to do about that. With that in mind, O'Leary has been embroiled in a massive controversy in the state of Utah. And I feel so awful for this community because I saw what they went through in a

public hearing where they weren't even given an opportunity to make their case against this. But basically, O'Leary is building a massive data center in Box Elder, Utah. So he has purchased 40,000 acres in order to do this. During his debate with Tucker, he's like, oh, maybe we don't really need all that land. You know, maybe we could develop something else on that land. Okay. The project was recently approved by Box Elder County commissioners despite protests from members of the community. Because members of the community don't matter. When it comes to government, whether we're talking about a local government, state government, federal government, they don't care about us. All they think about is money, money, money, money, business investment, business investment.

And remember, we're talking about an AI data center here. So the same claims and BS that we've heard time and time again about how like, oh, we most. subsidize this because it's going to provide jobs. The whole point of AI is to do away with human labor to maximize profits for companies. That is the point. So how are you going to recycle that same BS talking point? Anyway, we're going to get to that. So the local community in Box Elder Utah has been protesting this data center aggressively. I kind of love their spirit, to be honest. And they're concerned about the loss of jobs, the amount of energy this data center will require surveillance, and the amount of land that this requires. And they're also worried about the impact on the

environment as O'Leary's proposed data center will require nine gigawatts of energy to function when it's fully built. If you're wondering, I don't know what nine gigawatts means, how much energy is that? That's double Utah's current energy usage for the entire state. for the entire state. So Tucker Carlson brought up much of this in the context of his opening monologue and subsequent debate with O'Leary. So let's first dive into the topic of job losses. The two examples you gave are examples of a machine replacing human labor and doing a better job than any person could do. Oh, Tucker, that's horrible. That's great. Well, that's my point. I know what's your point. I know what's your point. And I can see the marvel of it. But it's,

It raises the question which won't go away, which is okay, now that machines do what people do better than people did, what do people do? Would you prefer in the next five years that China have more compute power than we do, even though the use and the outcome and jobs and everything else we're talking about is unknown? Or would you prefer the United States of America and their allies in North America had more compute power to develop AI? It depends. Whichever makes the United States happier, freer, and more prosperous, I guess, is the answer to every question.

What do you think it is? I'm not sure that we know. I know that reducing this question to a competition between the United States and China is a very quick way to derail people from the core questions, which revolve around whether or not it's a good idea. Yeah, for real. I mean, yes, yes, please do away with my livelihood. Please do away with it because I really want to make sure. that we're beating China in our ability to compute. Come on, man.

I thought the very beginning of that video, by the way, was very telling. If you guys don't mind, can you cue it up again? I just want to play the first 15 or so seconds where he's like, that's my whole point. Yeah, we know it's your whole point. He's basking in the future of people literally losing their jobs and their livelihoods. Take a look. The two examples you gave are examples of a machine. replacing human labor and doing a better job than any person could do.

Oh, Tucker, that's horrible. It's great. Well, that's my point. Well, I know what's your point? I know what's your point and I can see the marvel of it, but it raises the question which won't go away, which is... Yeah, that's my point. Oh, Tucker, it's so bad if all these people lost their jobs, right?

Sarcastically saying that. Amazing, amazing. By the way, this is the guy who was on the CNN panel with me, and declared that Americans don't care about the Epstein file, so let's just move it along. Right. Mm-hmm. So Tucker later answers O'Leary's question and makes a pretty great point about, in my opinion, it's a great point about UBI, universal basic income, replacing, you know, an earned paycheck.

And he also talks about something else I think needs to be considered. Take a look. Has more economic power now than the United States, probably has more military power. didn't want either of those things to happen. I'm a little bitter at the American business community, which allowed them to happen, but they happened. So here we are. There's not much I can do about it. My focus remains, however, on is it good for the United States? Is it good for us? Does it make people happy? And I don't understand what people are going to do for a living if machines are going to be able to do most things that people currently do better than

people do them. Like, what is the answer? What are, and a lot of people are honest stuff to say, nothing. We're just going to, the oligarchs are going to send out checks to everybody, the bread and the bread and circuses, and everyone's just going to kind of stay home and be obedient. But I don't know that that is a good idea. And I don't know. I think you're raising a great point. It's a wonderful debate and it's certainly going on, but it's analogous to the narrative that must have been happening back when the Model T Ford rolled off the assembly line and everybody that had a buggy looked at and said, oh, no, this is going to wipe me out and there'll be no work for me. Okay, that's a stupid point. What O'Leary said there was stupid, and he thinks we're stupid enough to buy it.

So the Model T wasn't created because it's, because, you know, Henry Ford was like, oh, I really want to do away with human labor, so let me build a car. That's not what happened. In fact, the development of automobiles led to manufacturing jobs in the United States. That is true. of course, enhanced our ability to travel. The whole point of AI is to make human beings irrelevant, to make labor irrelevant. The other thing about AI that I'm really worried about is I feel like it's already making people dumber. Because rather than use your own critical thinking skills,

rather than engage in the art of writing something, yourself, which stimulates your brain. Let me ask Grock. Let me ask Grock. Hey Grock, is this true? How about you think for yourself? How about you learn the craft of actually researching something and finding credible sources?

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If you're going to call yourself America first, but then betray America first, every single time you get a chance. just like Marjor Taylor Green did, then you don't deserve to win your seat. Go run as a Democrat. Because is what you want to do. You're from Massachusetts. You're not from Kentucky. Go run as a Democrat.

I'm not really sure that Congressman Thomas Massey has betrayed the Republicans. But since we're on the topic of betrayal, hey, Benny, you want to talk about your marriage? Anyway, let's move on to what this story is really about, which is, man, propagandists are out in full force. against Congressman Thomas Massey, who is now dealing with a pretty tough primary challenge from an A-PAC-funded Republican in the primary for this House seat. Okay, so this is a House seat in Kentucky. Currently, the incumbent is Thomas Massey, but Thomas Massey is a unicorn in Congress in that, you know, I might not agree with many of his policies. However, he's principled. And so he wanted the release of the Epstein files and was willing to

to work with Democrats who's willing to reach across the aisle to make that happen. Trump didn't like that because he wanted to cover up the Epstein files. I guess Betty Johnson would like to aid and abet that. Thomas Massey also consistently votes against spending because unlike the liars who pretend to be worried about the debt or the deficit in Congress, Thomas Massey is actually sincere about it. So he doesn't want to keep going deeper and deeper, deeper into debt to fight Israel's wars. And that made Trump real mad. Okay. So that's what's going on here. And that's what led to Miriam Adelson, who bought Trump like a whore to start funding a primary challenger to Thomas Massey. Because the one and only thing Miriam Adelson cares about

is degenerate gambling, of course. That's how she built her fortune and Israel. Yeah. So she didn't like the fact that Thomas Massey didn't want to keep shelling our resources out to a jetticidal regime that doesn't benefit our country in any way, shape, or form. So she poured a lot of money into her, into his challenger.

So Massey's increasingly public breaks with Trump have made him the target of these Trump-aligned groups, MAGA, Kentucky, which has spent $5.6 million on top of $1.3 million from the Galrine or Galrin campaign itself. So Ed Galrin is the individual who's challenging Massey in the GOP primary in Kentucky. Additionally, the Republican Jewish coalition has spent $4 million on ads supporting Ed Galrin. with APAC, Super PAC United Democracy Project, spending another $2.6 million, and that's according to ad impact. So the race has become incredibly gross and messy. So there have been attack ads on both sides.

The attack ads coming from the Israel lobby funded shill, super gross. They put on an AI ad that made it seem like Thomas Massey was in a sexual relationship with AOC and Ilhan Omba. But in total, more than $25.6 million has been spent on ads in this primary race. And that's also according to ad impact. So both campaigns are combined for that figure. So this makes it the most expensive U.S. primary in American history. And it got messier after Axios published a hit piece on Massey based on unfounded claims. A woman who is not credible made claims about him that I'm not going to repeat here. very obviously a hit piece.

But according to Axios, others have called into question her credibility. She claimed, let me just read them because you guys should decide for yourselves if you think they're ridiculous. I think they're ridiculous. And I find it gross that Benny Johnson denied or provided cover for Trump when he was accused of far worse by many more women. but these like super flimsy frivolous claims you're going to use to attack Thomas Massey. Yeah, we know how your bread is buttered homeboy. We know.

So according to Axios, Cynthia West, a former girlfriend of Massey's, accused him this week of offering her $5,000 to drop a wrongful termination complaint against his close ally, Representative Victoria Sparts. So apparently he, Massey, when they were dating. got his girlfriend hired by, you know, Sparts's office. The two began dating shortly after his wife had passed away in December of 2024. And then in December, Massey allegedly arranged for her to work in representative Sparta's office so they could be in D.C. together. In January of last year, the two broke up after Massey became, in her words, emotionally abusive because she refused to engage in behavior. I wasn't comfortable with. Yeah, that's pretty vague.

Okay, so it's obviously a hit on him in order to like destroy his candidacy. And by the way, she was later fired by Sparta's office, she said, because the complaint of the toxic work environment, Sparts's decision to hire a non-citizen for a district director job and the representative's insistence on getting involved in Ukraine's elections. Okay, whatever. I'm not interested in West. I personally don't care what she has to say. I don't find her claims credible because they're vague. They're super vague and it's just the timing is

questionable. Anyway, according to Axios, she was also allegedly offered a settlement from Sparta's office in the two to $60,000, but because it came with an NDI, a non-disclosure agreement, NDA, she refused. So Massey's campaign denied the allegations made by her, telling Axios in a statement, these last minute dirty tricks don't merit a response. The trashy lies they're putting out now demonstrate how desperate they are. Now, Wes stated that she has not been in contact with Donald Trump or Ed Galrines' campaign. But again, the timing of the report is super suspicious. And yesterday, Polymarket, which guys, okay, F Polymarket.

Okay, seriously. I didn't even understand what Polymarket was. but now it's just a freaking degenerate betting site. Okay, it is not a poll. It's not a political poll. It's just normal degenerate gamblers gambling on politics on a website. But here's what Polymarket had posted yesterday. Justin Thomas Massey's reelection odds are tanking amid hush money allegations from an ex-girlfriend.

He's now projected to be unseated. Now, Marjorie Taylor Green is not buying it. So she says there was no hush money offered to the jealous Mrs. Massey wannabe. Thomas Massey is just being dishonestly smeared because his primary is next week and foreign money billionaires are trying to buy Kentucky's fourth district. Younger voters got, I don't know, oh, go out there and beat the spoon fed, spoon fed Fox News viewers. But let's pivot to an actual recent poll, which does cause some concern here. So, Recent polls for the fourth district in Kentucky show that for the first time, Ed Galrine

beat Thomas Massey. So he came in at 48.3 percent and Thomas Massey came in at 43.1%. That's not good. That's really, really not good. Now the question is, is this Quantis Insight poll credible? And I don't know, I question most polls, to be honest with you. There were some polls that were wildly wrong in the lead up to the 2024 election, also the 2016 election, as we know. But Quantis Insights was given a B-Slas-C rating from Nate Silver for whatever it's worth. So you might think it's not an A rating, it's not credible. However, Ipsos was also given a B rating. So do with that information what you will. Polling analyst Ettingermentum and the New York Times questions their transparency, saying that they may be using low-cost, undisclosed opt-in panel data.

I have no idea. But even Massey himself has confessed that this is an incredibly close race. And I think it communicates something really awful to the American people if Massey loses. What it communicates is a foreign lobby can literally buy our elections, even in primary races. and there's nothing you can do about it. So Massey said the race is within the margin of error. I think it's going to be close. I really do. But he believes the winner of the GOP primary will come down to voter turnout.

So show up and vote. But this whole debacle has led to an online spat between Marjorie Taylor Green and Betty Johnson. I'm not going to read all of their back and forth to you. I'm going to save the fun for you so you can check it out yourselves. But she says, this is a clinic on how to call out the lies of social media influencers that get paid to spew propaganda. Betty Johnson, who I thought was a friend, couldn't even give me the courtesy of asking me if any of these lies were true. TMZ and Daily Mail actually reached out, but not Benny.

And Thomas Massey did not mistreat any woman, but happens to have a primary next week. So, of course, out comes a story from a woman who is just jealous. she isn't Mrs. Massey. So in our members section, which will happen immediately after the show ends today, I'm going to get into Benny Johnson's response to her and his claims. But the guy is a charlatan. Like I think most people can tell at this point. And he's not just a charlatan when it comes to his, the work he puts out, if you want to call it work. He's a charlatan when it comes to his own lifestyle, who he is as a person. So members only. comes after the show. Make sure you check that out. TYT.com slash join to become a member.

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