The Young Turks - Jill Biden's SHOCKING Admission About Joe

Episode Date: August 21, 2019

Jill Biden doesn't sound super convinced her husband should be president. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian, hosts of The Young Turks, break it down. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to the Young Turks, the online news show. Make sure to follow and rate our show with not one, not two, not three, not four, but five stars. You're awesome. Thank you. Hey, guys, you've heard of the Young Turks podcast because you're listening to it right now. But make sure that you subscribe and give it a five star rating if you like it. Thank you for listening. All right, welcome to the Young Turks, Jake Ugar, Anna Kasparin, with you guys. This is a really jam-packed newsday, so we're gonna get right to it.

With concise commentary. Yes, Anna's trying to say something to me. Well, where'd it go, one, right, for one ear or the other. Okay, anyways, but don't miss any part of this show because in the third hour, Anna's gonna do an interview about marriage that is fascinating. What percentage of the housework do guys do on average? I'm not gonna tell you, you gotta watch the third hour, we do some amazing interviews on this show.

I was super interested in the answer. I think you might be as well. All right, Biden, Sanders, Trump, they're all here, Kamala Harris, they're all fighting. Let's get to it. Actually me. Let's go. Your candidate might be better on health care than Joe is. So that's the argument that Joe Biden's wife is making.

Well, you know, my husband's pretty bad on the policies. It's a pretty startling admission, but at least he's more electable. Wrong, not more electable, but more details first for him, Anna. Exactly. So Jill Biden is making the argument that while her husband's policies might be subpar compared to some of the other candidates running, you should still vote for Biden. You should settle for less. In fact, I don't want to put words in her mouth.

Let's hear her full argument. Take a look. Maybe you have to swallow a little bit and say, okay, I so personally like someone so better. But your bottom line has to be getting happy. I know that not all of you are committed to my husband. And I respect that. But I want you to think about your candidate, his or her electability, and who's going to win this race. And so if you're looking at that, you've got to look the polls, you know, a lot of times I say, oh, you know, polls, excuse me, folks don't mean anything, calls don't mean anything, but if they're consistent and they're

consistently saying the same thing, I think you can't dismiss that. Okay, so I'm going to save how much her husband sucks on the policies for a little bit later, but I can't stand this electability argument anymore for a number of reasons. Number one, it is the same exact argument that Hillary Clinton and her supporters made last time around. Yet the media, I don't know if it's that they've learned nothing from it, or that they just love the establishment candidates. So they just like, nope, I don't remember 2016, anybody remember 2016?

I don't remember it. I think we should run a status quo establishment candidate, just like we did in 2016. I bet that's not a way to lose to Donald Trump. So what she's saying is the opposite of true. Now, when she talks about the polls, look, we care deeply about facts and reality. And the polls for the moment being do show that Biden beats Trump by a wide margin. But so does Bernie Sanders. Yes.

And what the media never tells you is, they always say Biden's more electable, more electable, more electable, more electable. Well, have you ever heard anyone saying Sanders is incredibly electable, beats Donald Trump with a whooping stake according to all the same polls? Never, never, and they still can't see their bias. They're like, what bias? What, I despise Bernie Sanders, and he's obviously not electable. Even though I'm quoting the same poll where I just said, that's why Biden's electable.

They're at the same numbers. Biden might have one or two point lead in some of the polls, but they're both crushing Trump. And last thing on this, come on guys, do you cover politics at all? How biased are you if you're a television bonded? Very biased. Yes, Joe Lieberman had a lead. in 2004, Joe Lieberman, and then he bragged about coming in fifth in New Hampshire and said he had Joe meant him because it was kind of tied for third.

You know why he was leading? Because he was the vice presidential nominee for Al Gore. That's why he was leading in the beginning when people were not paying attention. So they're maddening in their bias. So I want to piggyback off of what you just said, the last thing you just said, which is they're not paying attention. So I always try to take myself out of the bubble that we're in and the bubble that politicos are in and try to think about politics from the perspective of the average American who

does something completely different for their work. Most Americans are not hyper focused on what's going on with the Democratic primary at this moment. Are they paying some attention? Yes. But right now, a lot of the polling is dependent upon name recognition. And if you can remember just yesterday, we showed you a Fox News poll that showed the Democratic frontrunners, every single one of them, right?

So from Biden to Bernie to Warden, and I believe Kamala Harris was the fourth person on that list, and every single one of them would beat Donald Trump today if the general election were to take place today. So in response to Jill Biden's argument, sure, I mean, it makes sense to focus on candidates who have the best chance of beating Donald Trump, even if that means that you have to compromise on some of the policies that you care about. But at this point, we don't need to compromise. We have candidates who would absolutely beat Donald Trump if the election were to take place

today. And more importantly, they have policies that do go along with our core values and what we care about. I wanna build off that. Kamala Harris has now dropped to five points in the polling among the Democrats. So she has plummeted, lost 12 points, according to the last poll that came out today. She still beats Donald Trump easily. And she would.

She'd crush Donald Trump. So I don't agree with Kamala Harris's policy. She came out with Medicare for All proposal that is not remotely Medicare for All and now back penalty even further from that. I'm telling you that. So you see, we're not biased. Kamala Harris would kick Donald Trump's ass easily. All four of the top candidates would very, very likely.

wouldn't. The one that is the least electable is Joe Biden, because he's the exact mold of the one person who lost to Donald Trump. Donald Trump has literally never won at anything in his life. Six bankruptcies, loser, lost everything he's ever touched. He has the opposite of the minus touch. The only way to lose to Donald Trump is there on an establishment candidate that says everything is hunky-dory, let's just keep going as we are. How do I know that? Because we just saw it in 2016. So, I just one more thing, Anna, sorry about that. In 2008, Hillary Clinton lost to Barack Obama when every pundit on TV says she was invincible.

Then they turned around in 2016 and told you she's invincible and she can't possibly lose. I'm just telling you, beware of television pundits. They're not telling you what reality is. They're telling you what they want. They want someone to keep the status quo going because they're all multimillionaires. That's why they're the most biased people in America. So I agree with you in that Biden seems to have a very similar losing strategy as Hillary Clinton. And remember, her strategy was all about, I'm not going to give you something to vote for.

I'm going to fearmonger about the possibility of Donald Trump winning. And you were going to vote for me as a way of protesting Donald Trump, right? That didn't work. And one other thing was, I want to appeal to people. in the middle, or I want to appeal to some on the right. And it's incredible because what you're about to hear from Jill Biden is the same policy. Only this time it's coming from Biden. Take a look. I think if your goal, I know my goal is to be Donald Trump, we have to have someone who can be taken. And so if you look at the polls, if you look at Joe with his record with

independence. We can't just have Democrats who are going to win. You know, we have to include everybody. Our party has to be more inclusive, which means we have to go to independence and say, join us. We have to go to Republicans and say, okay, you're a Republican, but you can't tell me that your children are proud of the president, you know, of the things he says. But you're really going to have, you're going to negotiate with Republicans. You're going to negotiate at this juncture, with Republicans who support Donald Trump, it's as if they're living in a completely different universe. There is no negotiating, there is no compromising, there's no reasoning with people, with voters

who still, at this point, support someone like Donald Trump, who has made excuses for right-wing extremism that has cost the lives of innocent Americans, who has brutalized and dehumanized children at the border by putting them in cages, six of them have died under his watch as a result of that, you think that you're going to sit down and have a conversation with them, and they're going to change their minds and somehow miraculously vote for Joe Biden? I mean, it's just such a stupid, like, not even short-sighted, it's no-sighted, like completely unaware of what's happening in America today with right-wing Republican voters. They're not interested in you, they're not.

It's a proven failed strategy. How do I know? It's not because hey, I love progressives, and so I think that they might win. Look at the facts. So in 2016, Hillary Clinton said, I'm gonna reach out to Republican voters in the suburbs. And I think they're gonna flip over to me and vote for me instead of Donald Trump. How'd that turn out? Look, guys, it's not to rub it in.

It's because I don't want us making the same mistake. We cannot have Donald Trump win another four years and be in office for another four years. It didn't work, she didn't win. Wake up, Joe Scarborough. Everyone on cable news, wake up, she didn't win. Hillary Clinton's not president. It was a stupid strategy. You know, look, I can go on and on.

Claire McCaskill, now that losers on MSNBC telling us how to run campaigns. She ran his Republican light. She was going to get Republicans in the suburbs who were upset at Donald Trump. That's not 2016, that was 2018. Lost. Now, at the same time, progressive policies like increasing the minimum wage in Missouri, won in a landslide. If you went progressive, you could have won in Missouri.

Joe Donnelly, that loser of losers, oh, I'm just like the Republicans, but I'm a Democrat. Got crushed in Indiana. How many times are you going to lose with this strategy? The one thing I agree with Joe Biden on, we cannot risk losing to Donald Trump. That's why it can't be Joe Biden. Look, last thing on Biden's electability.

In fact, two things. One is, we've seen him run for president now like 28 times. In my lifetime, I'm old enough to know. No, he was terrible in 88 and got crushed. He was terrible in 2008 and got crushed. The only reason we're having a conversation about Joe Biden is because he won a coin toss. And instead of Evan by, Barack Obama said, oh, I guess it's Biden, I'll pick Biden. He's never won a big campaign.

And then what happens? They do the debates, that's where people can see him. He immediately drops in the polls. It's happened both debates. They see him, he plummets after the polls. But what's interesting is he then comes back up after a couple of weeks. Why? One is, yes, name recognition, people go, yeah, the vice president, yeah, sure, Biden, Biden,

right? But the main reason is, in those next couple of weeks, the media picks him back up. They resuscitate him and they say, oh, he's the most electable, most electable, most selectable. Every single pundit says, I want to protect my millions, most electable, most electable, most electable, and then Biden rises back up in the polls. And then every time the voters see him in the debates, they're like, boo, and he dies back. down and other 10 points.

He is not electable. God damn it, they're so stupid and they're gonna ruin this country if they make the same mistake. Look, I don't know how to get this message across to, you know, a broader group of voters. But at this point, and especially when it comes to the primaries, just make sure that you ignore all the noise coming from all these establishment figures, don't allow them to fearmonger. The primaries are meant to allow the party, the voters, to make the best decision. And all this other stuff is irrelevant, right? Like, who has the best policies and who has the best political strategy for accomplishing

those policies? Because remember, the policy proposals, that's only half of the equation, right? Do they have the ability to garner enough political capital to get it done? And are they willing to make members of their own party, and more importantly, Republicans bent to their will. That's what matters. Someone like Joe Biden isn't interested in having anyone bent to his will. Joe Biden is interested in working with Republicans.

And working with Republicans when you're a Democrat simply means conceding to Republicans. We saw it under the Obama administration for eight straight years, period. And Joe Biden admitting there that his policies are not as good in health care, it's amazing. She's a doctor. You know, he's always bragging about Dr. Jill Biden. Well, Dr. Jill Biden's like, I know you don't like my husband's health care policies. Come on, they suck, right? And by the way, it's not just that they suck in policy.

According to the polling, Medicare for All, no matter how much the liars on television cannot read a poll or lie about it on purpose is popular. And the idiot loser Harry Reid comes out today. He's like, oh, we shouldn't do Medicare for All. We will lose votes that way. That should be our last priority. They can't read a poll. You say, oh, you got to look at the polls because Biden's would beat Trump. Okay, then look at the polls.

When you say Medicare for all, polls great. You say, oh, it takes away private insurance. Then you add, it takes away private insurance but gives you Medicare. They're like, oh, yeah, that's what I thought you meant. Way about 50%. Deeply popular. No, let's go with a less popular approach because Joe Scarborough doesn't like it. And every millionaire on television doesn't like it.

Not interested. Guys, we cannot, progressives cannot lose this time around the primaries. The whole country and maybe even the whole world is riding on it. We have to do everything in our power to get it through people's heads that we, the American worker, the average American deserves better. And if you actually say to them, we're going to give you higher wages and we're going to give you health care. And unlike Trump, we're not lying.

We're actually deeply care about it. And we've been saying the same thing for 40 years. We're going to deliver for you. That's how you win by actually meaning it instead of going, well, I mean, I'd like to play badminton with Donald Trump. You want to vote for me? What a stupid losing strategy. So we have one other story about Joe Biden I want to get to.

Joe Biden has put out his campaign ad, his latest campaign ad, and he is regurgitating talking points that we heard during Hillary Clinton's campaign. And he's also drawing attention to the fact that he was part of Obama's administration. Take a look. For eight years, President Obama and Vice President Biden, where an administration America could be proud of. Our allies could trust and our kids could look up to. Together, they work to save the American economy to pass the Historic Affordable Care Act,

protecting over 100 million Americans with pre-existing conditions. Now, Joe Biden is running for president with a plan for America's future. To build on Obamacare, not scrap it, to make a record investment in America's schools, to lead the world on climate, to rebuild our alliances. Most of all, he'll restore the soul of the nation, battered by an erratic, vicious bullying precedent, strong, steady, stable leadership. So we showed you a part of the ad. It actually starts out with the, you know, the scary stuff about Trump. We can't let Trump win. Again, it's very similar to messaging that we saw from Hillary Clinton's campaign.

And look, I only bring that up because it was a losing strategy. It wasn't enough to accomplish what the Democratic Party wanted to accomplish. And in this case, there were a few accurate things listed in those accomplishments. Yes, we did get the Affordable Care Act. Yes, it did help individuals with preexisting conditions. But I found it hilarious that he included something in there about climate change when his current proposal on climate change doesn't go nearly far enough when it comes to combating it. And then, you know, he brings up a number of other things like investing in school. schools, what are you talking about?

Schools were dismantled, defunded, completely destroyed under Obama's watch. So that was kind of a questionable claim. And one other thing, I'm talking about grade schools in that context, but what happened is student loan debt under Obama's watch? Hey, the bankers got to get paid. And what did Joe Biden knew? You want to talk about student debt? Joe Biden said, and this is the bill that he passed when he was called the senator from

MBNA, which was a credit card company out of Delaware, his home state. He said, you cannot ever get rid of your student debt. Donald Trump can get rid of all of his debt whenever he goes bankrupt, all the times that he goes bankrupt. The rich, the millionaires, the billionaires, they can get rid of any debt they like. But if you're a student because of a Joe Biden led bill, and this is not any exaggeration, and he continues to be proud of it. The credit card companies got him because he's, look, he's part of the systemic corruption.

They said, hey boy, you pass this bill and make sure no student could ever get rid of their debt. He said, yes, sir, yes, sir, I'm the senator from MBNA, and he passed that bill. And now we're all stuck with trillions of dollars of student debt, thanks to Joe Biden. That's a fact. That's a fact. Yes, and not only is that a fact, he then turned around, and remember, only a few months ago, video goes viral where he is pointing a finger at millennials and saying that they're complaining too much, that, oh, they have it tough, they're complaining about how they

have it tough. Oh, please. So not only did his policies and his actions lead up to what we're seeing with student loan debt, he then turns around and mocks young people who are struggling economically as a result of his policies. You put a trillion dollars around their necks, and now you're gonna go mock them. Elizabeth Warren makes a great point. She's like, when she went to college, you know what it cost her?

50 bucks. 50 bucks. And now Biden's going around like, oh, we had it really. I mean, we'd have to pay $45 or $55 for our college education. And now kids are walking away with hundreds of thousand dollars of student debt. And he spits on him and says, well, I got to deliver for the credit card companies. He once said, hey, listen, you give me a quarter of million dollars and if I become president, of course I'm gonna listen to you.

He said that. He went to a room full of rich donors and he said, I promise you, if I'm president, nothing will change. And we're gonna vote for this guy? Hell no, hell no. Okay, and this ad, dude, I got it. You want a coin toss and Obama picked you to be vice president. Did he pick you to be vice president because you're great at appealing to African American voters with your anti-bussing pro, I love working with segregation has passed?

No, that's why he picked you to appeal to white voters, not to black voters. He had that covered. Well, can anyone on TV say the obvious fact? He was picked to appeal to white voters. So this whole idea of like, and now a lot of the people in the mainstream media are like, hey, if you criticize Joe Biden, you're criticizing African Americans. Because a lot of them are thinking of voting for Joe Biden. Are you insulting African Americans?

Stop using minorities as a shield, you disgust me. Give me a record, let's debate the record. Don't hide behind some poll about, oh well, hey, this African Americans said that or that, right? It's absolute nonsense, the same crap they used against Bernie Sanders last time. So, and then finally, he constantly, bear-hugging Obama, Obama, you know, I was with Obama, I was with Obama, right? You know, the best line Biden ever had in politics was when he said about Rudy Giuliani when he was running for president.

All you ever hear from him is a noun, verb, and 9-11. Well, now all we ever hear from Joe Biden is noun, verb, and Obama. That's all he's got. I'm going to leave it at that. We're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, ooh, sick burn by Bernie Sanders against Kamala Harris and how she's backing away from Medicare for all. We got the deets and more when we...

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You return. All right, back on the Young Turks, a couple of comments for you guys as usual. Moving forward, writes in in the member section, Biden leads in polls taking on landlines. Duh. So look, I think the bigger issue, landlines is an issue. But the bigger issue is, can you turn out your base? Can you turn out independent voters? those two things.

And Biden cannot. Biden and Hillary Clinton are going to get maybe one to two percent extra at most from Republicans. But they're going to give up 10 to 20 percent in their base, and they're going to give up 10 to 20 percent among independents. Independents don't want the status quo. They want higher wages. But it does, look, I keep yelling at the mainstream media as if they're going to care or listen. No, they're so, they can't see. They're so biased, they have these giant wall around them.

Anyway, Rita Ann says, my Republican brother said he would have voted for Bernie had he been the nominee in 2016. I've only heard that a million times. I have to add to that a little bit because here's the thing, if you want to persuade voters on the right to vote for a Democratic candidate, you actually don't need to concede on policy. You just need to find what unites all Americans, regardless of political ideology, and that That is frustration with a rigged economic system. That is the reason why so many of these Trump voters would have voted for Bernie Sanders.

Because Bernie Sanders has been hyper focused on this rigged economic system from the very beginning. I mean, you see tape dating back to decades ago where he has the same argument, and it resonates with everyone because we all know what it's like to try to make a living under this system. I guarantee you, all you have to do is, it's only two things to run on, and if Warren and Sanders want to do it, either whoever does it will win, higher wages and the corruption, period, easy, landslide, easy, run strong on those two issues, but nobody knows goddamn politics. Anyway, that boys, Helon Turlitz says, remember the last time the DNC got behind the electable

Democrat against an incompetent, incompetent, incompetent GOP incumbent, hashtag President Kerry, hashtag, oh wait, of course, they do this. same stupid mistake. Hey, you know what, why don't we go to Joe Biden and have his campaign manager be Bob Shrum? I'm sure it'll be great. Like he literally lost 28 elections and not, literally but close, 28 elections in a row. They're like, I, the next campaign manager should be Bob Shrum.

He's gonna run right down the middle and get those Republicans in the suburbs. God damn it, man, how many times can you make the same mistake? All right, what's next? Kamala Harris has been incredibly confusing when it comes to the issue of Medicare for all. it? Is she against it? Would she get rid of private insurers? Now, some would argue that she's being intentionally misleading when it comes to where she really stands on the issue. But there is one place where she's pretty clear in her disregard for Medicare for all, and it's during

fundraisers in the Hamptons. In fact, according to reports, speaking out of Hampton's fundraiser to corporate executives and one percenters, Harris explained that she has not been comfortable with the health care plan written by her 2020 competitor, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders. Especially when trying to collect checks, she hasn't been comfortable with it. And in response to that, Bernie Sanders issued a sick burn and said the following via Twitter, I don't go to the Hamptons to raise money from billionaires. If I ever visited there, I would tell them the same thing I have said for the last 30 years. We must pass a Medicare for all system to guarantee affordable health care for all,

not just for those who can afford it. Now, look, I want to just give you guys all a reminder of how intentionally misleading Kamala Harris has been when it comes to this topic just during this election cycle. Let's go to this clip. It's a wonderful compilation that J.R. Jackson put together, and it really gives you a sense of where Kamala Harris is. I believe the solution, and I actually feel very strongly about this, is that we need to have Medicare for all. That's just the bottom one. Correct me if I'm wrong. To reiterate, you support the Medicare for All bill.

I think initially co-sponsored by Senator Bernie Sanders. You're also a correspondent on to it. Listen, and let me just tell you where I am. Let's tell you where I am. All right. I support Medicare for all. It is my preferred policy. As a principle, you mean?

Not Bernie Sanders bill. I support the bill. Okay. I support the bill. So for people out there who like their insurance, they don't get to keep it? Well, listen, the idea is that everyone gets access to me. medical care. You said on stage with me in January that when it comes to private insurance quote, let's eliminate all of that. Let's move on. Yes. But let's clear that. Which is it exactly?

Well, we were together. Yes. And you'll remember and roll the tape, please. Yeah, we can roll the tape. That. Well, you support the Bernie Sanders bill, which essentially gets rid of insurance. I support Medicare for all. Who here would abolish their private health insurance in favor of a government run plan? All right. So once and for all, do you believe that private insurance should be eliminated in this country. No. You don't. No, I do not.

But the question was, would you give up your private insurance? No, that wasn't the question. Okay, so look, this is the best show in America. If you want to follow politics, you follow this show. Who else shows you that compilation? Nice job, JR, our senior editor in doing that. So you want to see her flip-flops nonstop? You come here, okay?

T.y.com slash join. Everybody else is going to lie to you. Now, those are the facts we just showed you, her flip-flopping constantly. She's now gotten into a worse situation, which Anna's going to explain to you in a second. But I'm done with Kamala Harris. So look, man, we heard her out. We heard Kamala Harris version A, version B, version C, version D, version E. Does anybody know which version you're going to get if you elect her president?

I don't know. You don't know, nobody knows. It depends on who she's talking to. and what she thinks they want to hear in the Hamptus next. So is she going to do Medicare for all? Hell no. Hell no, she's not. So, no, I'm done with Kamala Harris.

And so if she's the nominee, that's a different situation. But why she should be the nominee? She's not any more electable than anyone else. And she's apparently a fake progressive and a very standard politician. That's what stands out to me the most, right? because the, you know, just changing your message, going on a debate stage, raising your hand when it comes to doing away with private insurance, and then immediately afterwards going on cable news and changing your story.

I mean, that is the typical slimy politician thing to do. You want someone who's authentic, someone who actually has values and principles and believes in the policies that they support. And in this case, you see what a lot of Americans have been. been turned off to when it comes to politics. I want to give you a fuller statement from Kamala Harris when it comes to Medicare for all. She says, quote, I think almost every member of the United States Senate who's running for president and many others have signed on a variety of plans in the Senate.

And I have done the same. All of them are good ones, which is why I support them. And I support Medicare for all. But as you may have noticed over the course of many months, I have not been comfortable with Bernie's plan, the Medicare for all plan. No, but that's in the same paragraph. I mean, look, this is a heavy insult and she's not like him in a thousand other ways. But that paragraph sounded like Donald Trump. Everybody knows him for Medicare for All, and that's why I didn't sign on to Bernie Sanders

plan for Medicare for All. What was that? What was that? It was in the same paragraph. Does anyone know, honestly, if you just read that paragraph, do you have any idea if she's for Medicare for all or not for it? I mean, I assume since she, you know, attacked Bernie Sanders that she's not for Medicare for all.

But right in the middle of the paragraph, she said, I'm for Medicare for all. See, what you gotta understand is television pundits see that, and they think, savvy. Now that is a strategic politician knowing when to lie to people. Regular Americans look at it and go, that's gross, I can't stand that. Because honestly, consultants think we're idiots. Of course. Consults think that people aren't paying attention, but they are. I mean, we're in a completely different political era.

One other thing that I really want to point out to you was a statement from Kamala Harris's campaign spokesperson. And then I want to give you the details of what she's proposing. So the campaign spokesperson, his name is Ian Sam, says, Senator Harris was hearing from lots of voters, real concerns, lots of voters real concerns. Donors. Yeah. Okay.

Specifically about proactively abolishing private insurance. The four-year transition. So he's referring to the four-year transition for Medicare for All, middle-class tax hikes, and so she came up with her own plan to adjust for those that, frankly, is better than his. Okay, so let's talk about the transition when it comes to her proposal. Harris revealed her own plan in late July. We actually covered it in more detail, so check out that video, which would make room for private insurers to offer plans in the system. There would also be a 10-year phase in the system.

Yeah, 10 years. Yeah, that'll work. 10 years. Yeah. So if voters are genuinely concerned about a four-year transition period for Medicare for all, and by the way, when it comes to children, the transition would be immediate, not four years. You should be doubly concerned when it comes to a 10-year transition period.

You know why? Because a 10-year transition period means, I'm not going to do anything. Ten years. Are you kidding me right now? Okay, so let's break that down. Because if Kamala Harris wins two terms, not one term, two terms. her, and she passes Medicare for all on day one. By the time she leaves office eight years later, it's still not in effect.

So if a Republican wins either against her reelection efforts or eventually when she's out of office, they immediately go, no, we're not doing that. What kind of a plan is that? That's not a plan at all. That's the kind of plan that private insurance executives in the Hamptons love, because that means you're not going to do it. But the second part is more absurd. No, no, Anna, you got it wrong.

She, her people are claiming that she has heard from voters. I'm worried about a four year transition. I'd like a longer one. I'd like 10 years before we get Medicare for all. I like Medicare for all, but I don't want it in four years. I'd like it in 10 years. Which voter? Which voters?

Show me one. Show me one on tape that said, hey, I'm a little worried about that transition. I really want it stretched out so the Republicans can vote against it 50 times, 100 times, take it to the courts, try to win elections to take it. down. I'm concerned the transition is too short. There's not a single voter that has ever said that. That is a stone cold lie. And then the consulting class. Anna, they're not wrong about that either. In the old days, because they're stuck in the old days. In the old days, they just tell everybody on TV, okay? Hey, listen, tell everybody, Kamala's plan is good and Bernie's plan

is bad. And they don't have anywhere else to get information. In New York Times, Washington Post, all the same. Bernie's a radical. They called them a radical for 40 straight years. Then And then they turn around and say, well, everybody's for Medicare for all anyway, so we don't need Bernie Sanders anymore. Make up your mind, New York Times and CNN and everybody else. So, but now they can't control the top down anymore. They're like, but we had Morning Joe saying it, and we had the New York Times repeated, why won't they listen?

Because we have the internet, we can just look it up. We've got receipts. And now she said in the beginning of those videos, I feel very strongly about Medicare for all, and that's my bottom line. Does it look like it was her bottom line? Now, because look, these pundits, and honestly, a lot of the reporters that cover politics, terrible at their job, because they literally and legitimately are like confounded. Why do young people like Bernie Sanders?

Why? Why? Why do they like him? Because they looked it up and he's been, has the same position for 40 years. What's complicated about that? Why do you have trouble understanding something so simple? Now, can you imagine, here I'll prove my point. Can you imagine if Bernie Sanders came out and said, well, bottom line is not for Medicare

for all? Well, you know what? No, no, you know what, I'm not for Medicare for All. I went to the Hamptons and I talked to some people and I changed my health care plan. Look, even if you hate Bernie Sanders, you know he ain't gonna do that. You know he's principled and that's what drives you crazy. So Kamala Harris with your Hamptons get-togethers and your donors don't like Bernie's Medicare for all plan because it would cost them.

millions of dollars in terms of the money that they're taking out of the system that we're paying for no goddamn reason. Yeah, thanks, but no thanks. When we come back from the break, we are going to compare and contrast both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren's proposals on criminal justice reform. At TYT, we frequently talk about all the ways that big tech companies are taking control of our online lives, constantly monitoring us and storing our data. But that doesn't mean we have to let them.

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All right, back on a young Turks, Jank and Anna, and you guys. So let's go to your comments because you're part of the show. Brenda Korn writes in, I just have to say I'm deathly afraid of angry people 99% of the time. But for some reason, Jenks' rage is inspiring rather than terrifying. Thank you. I was talking about this last night in the third hour of the Young with Andrew Marantz from New Yorker. There's a difference between raging for justice and raging about lizard people. It's a giant, giant difference. And if you can't tell that, then you've got issues.

Dana's 590 says Jenks' exasperation concerning Biden is cathartic. Thank you guys. I appreciate it. Let's go to Twitter. Speaking truth to power says Kamala Harris's lies. Kamala Harris lies. She's your usual politician. That type of flip-flopping is what alienates people from politics.

She's everything people always hated about politics. Look, that's really important because that's not about Kamala Harris as much as it is about the Democratic strategy for winning this presidential election. If you pick a standard politician, you're gonna alienate so many people and they're gonna stay at home. That is not the right strategy to win. I know Democrats cannot get it through their thick heads because they're paid not to, but you want to excite your voters so they show up for you.

I know foreign concept for Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and every other Democratic leader. But that's how you win. The Madlib says a 10 year phase, someone on the debate stage should ask Kamala if she has the figures on how many hundreds of thousands of Americans will be dead by then from lack of health care and why she's okay with that. Exactly. So that's a tough question. Unfortunately Bernie's not that.

Look, during the debates Bernie's not that tough. Maybe Warren will do it. So I'm keeping it real, I wish he was tougher, but he's not. Unless you directly attack him, he will not attack any of the other candidates. He won't call out their inconsistencies, lies, and wrong positions. He's much tougher on social media these days, which I'm grateful for, yes. And it gets positive attention. And I think the same will happen on the debate stage.

I mean, just going back to the last debate, what got the most attention? It was Tulsi Gabbard going after Kamala Harris. And I think it actually did lead to a drop in the polling for Kamala Harris. It works. And in that case, I mean, she wasn't even punching back after Kamala Harris said something about her. She just was on the offense. Yeah, so.

Kamala Harris lost 12 points since the last debate. It was a good strategy. And by the way, so today on the same Medicare for All issue, et cetera, Sanders' team put out an email comparing him to Obi-1 Konobi. And that was written by former TYT contributor David Sorota. And then it got a lot of attention, Bernie's fighting. Back, one of you guys, actually one of our listeners, did a great shirt for us on shop t-y-t.com called Bernie One Canobi, which I love.

But look, a lot of those fighters come from here. I remember what, it's in Ryan Grimm's book, one Democratic consultant said about AOC during the primary fight with Crowley, oh, she'll get 10%, get embarrassed, and then go work for the young Turks. How'd that turn out for you? All right, we gotta move on, but I wanted to quickly tell you guys about NordVPN. VPN protects your online activity and you get a nice discount if you go to nord.com slash tyt, NordvPN.com slash tyt. It's a 75% off discount for three years and you get your

first month free. All right, let's get to the rest of the news. All the jails in the world and all the executions in the world will not make that situation right. We can either educate or electrocute, we can create meaningful jobs rebuilding our society or we can build more jails. One of my favorite things about Bernie Sanders is that he has receipts. He has been railing against criminal justice and the two-tier justice system we have in the country. That was him in 1994 speaking out against the crime bill. And he has proposed his version of criminal justice reform this week. Elizabeth Warren also did. And so we're gonna do a deep dive into their proposals.

I wanna start off with Bernie Sanders. He released his proposal yesterday. And according to his campaign website, when Bernie is president, we will finally make the deep and structural investments to rebuild the communities that mass incarceration continues to decimate. We must move away from an overly punitive approach to public safety and start focusing on how to safeguard our communities, prevent the conditions that led to arrests, and rehabilitation people who have made mistakes. So let's go through the bullet points.

And I just want to be clear in saying that both proposals are sweeping, comprehensive. You could literally do a three-hour show on these proposals. But I'm going to give you bullet points and elaborate as much as I can. So one thing he would like to do, and I love this, is ban for-profit prisons. Boom. Yes. You got to go, right? So there should not be any type of profit model when it comes to.

to incarcerating people. This has led to mass incarceration, and I love the fact that he would do away with them. He also wants to make things like prison phone calls and other communications such as video chats free of charge. Many of these prisons will either work with third party companies or if it's a private prison. There's a monetary incentive to charge the inmates when they want to make phone calls to their family members. In this case, Bernie Sanders would make the calls free.

Can I just say, that might sound like a minor issue to you guys, but that's because you don't have a family member in prison. Some of the prisons make the guards, make the inmates work, and you know what they pay him, $1 for a whole day of work, not per hour, which would already be outrageous, for a whole day of work. And then when they go to make a phone call, it's $1 per minute. So you can't ever talk to a loved one. It's, you know, that's the crime.

The way that they are ripping off all the most powerless people in the country is a, and And how do they get in prison? Some of them deserved it? Some of them for smoking pot. This is a racket and they're gonna end the racket, both Sanders and Warren. He also would like to audit the practices of commissaries and use regulatory authority to end price gouging and exorbitant fees. So when I say that these proposals are sweeping, I mean it.

I mean, he's talking about the way inmates are treated. He has proposals to do away with the mass incarceration this country's been dealing with for decades now, he focuses on police and how police should not be the first responders when there's someone suffering from some sort of mental health issue. It's just so comprehensive and so wonderful to see someone who has thought through these issues in a smart way. Real quick on that, I had a guess on the show that I talked about that recently. You start sending cops after people, and what do we teach the cops?

We teach the cops, get the situation under control, use overwhelming force, et cetera. But people called because they said, my family member is sick and he's schizophrenic or he has an issue. And then they come and bust the guy's head open. But that doesn't help anybody. Then it makes people reluctant to call the cops. Why don't we, I know it's a radical idea, send a medical person to handle a medical situation. That's considered radical. It's common sense.

We just don't do it. It's crazy that we don't do it. So this is long overdue. So let's move on to some of the other parts of his proposal. He wants to incentivize states and localities to end police department's reliance on fines and fees for revenue. Oh, God, this is so good. This is incredibly good. By the way, I also want to mention the issue of civil asset forfeiture.

This is one of the ways that underfunded police departments raise money for themselves. So if an individual is suspected of being part of some sort of drug trafficking deal or whatever it is, they will, without any real evidence, take that individual's property and cash and say that it's part of an investigation, and the vast majority of individuals, even after this case has been adjudicated, will not get that back. 95% never give their property back, whether they were guilty or innocent. And why did they do this? Because they lower taxes on the rich, so they have no money left. So they go and they do fines and fees on poor and middle class people, and then they do civil

asset forfeiture. So it's a way of saying, well, let's redistribute the wealth and take everything from the people who don't have it because we already gave tax cuts for the rich. Imagine ending all that injustice, that would be amazing. Now one of the issues with our current justice system is that there is a profit motive when it comes to some of these prisons. And I just want to note that there's something kind of missing from the conversation. And it has to do with prison guards and the unions that represent them.

So yes, for profit prisons should be the number one priority. We need to get rid of them. But when it comes to publicly run prisons, there's also an issue with the unions representing those prison workers pushing for tough on crime legislation. So we need to find a way to mitigate that as well. And to be fair, that conversation is missing from both proposals. But with that said, they are incredible and definitely sweeping proposals. He'd like to remove the profit motive from our reentry system and diversion.

supervision or treatment programs and ensure people leaving incarceration or participating in diversion, community supervision, or treatment programs can do so free of charge. Actually trying to help people. I know it's a radical idea. Joe Biden would say, why not crush them? Joe Biden bragged it in that 94 crime bill that you saw in the beginning Bernie Sanders railing against, that it would give, sorry, the 91 bill originally, Biden said, it would give everyone death sentences except for J. Walker's. There was, I think, 61 counts that would

give the death penalty in Biden's 91 bill, and then the 94 crime bill passed. He'd like to ensure accountability, strict guidelines, and independent oversight for all federal funds used by police departments and federal programs that provide military equipment to local police forces. So, you know, he brought up the issue of militarized police forces. I love that he did that. It's a real issue. I mean, there's no reason why a police department needs military-grade weaponry when it comes to policing their community. Let's go to the rest of it. He also wants to create a federally managed database of police use of deadly force. God forbid you should ever investigate anything. So he's going to say, look, let's at least

look at it, see if it's a real problem or not. And of course, Republicans are like, no, don't look Look at the information that would be terrible. Provide grants for states and cities to establish civilian oversight agencies with enforceable accountability mechanisms. So he wants real systemic change when it comes to holding police departments accountable with real civilian input, which is important. Also establish federal standards for the use of body cameras, including establishing third party agencies to oversee the storage and release of police videos.

That's also important. Too often, you know, there's video, body cam video missing. The individual, the cop did not turn the body camera on or turned it off right before there was some sort of altercation with a suspect. So I love this and his language, to be fair, is a little clearer when it comes to body cameras. I think he goes further because he would make it mandatory for all cops to use body cameras. In Elizabeth Warren's plan, she wants to expand the program.

So add more funding to it, expand it. But based on the language in her post about it, it doesn't seem like it would be mandatory. Yeah, look, they're both wonderful plans. And I actually think we still haven't gotten to the best parts. But Bernie does go a little further on a couple of issues. And to expand on that, look, the problem with local cops and local prosecutors judging themselves is they all work together every day. So it's like saying, okay, tell me if Anna did something wrong.

Well, I mean, I'm friends with Anna, I work with her every day. No, if there's a charge that that happened, it should be removed to a federal authority that is not working with them daily. Whether it's the tapes or it's the prosecutors, the investigation, the database makes perfect sense. He'd also like to mandate criminal liability for civil rights violations resulting from police misconduct and also ban the use of facial recognition software for policing. I love that.

There's also a new technology that would use algorithms to determine whether or not someone is likely to commit a crime, and he even mentions that in his proposal and mitigating the negative impact of that type of technology. So he is very clear about that. Now when it comes to police, he also mentions, look, police are. overstressed, overloaded, overworked, and part of the reason why is because there are municipalities that are relying on local police to deal with mental health issues, with all sorts of issues that they're not trained for, that isn't even appropriate given their job titles.

So what he wants to do is create a system in which you have the appropriate first responders who would respond to someone who might be having some sort of mental health condition or issue at that moment. I love that idea. It's just, it's perfect and I think that it makes way more sense to have someone who's trained to deal with someone who's suffering from a mental health issue as opposed to calling a cop who might escalate the situation. And in a lot of cases, we've seen someone die as a result of that.

All right, so do you want to move on? Let me give you one more statement, by the way, by Bernie Sanders. He says, we ask police officers to address every societal issue that results for from the tears in the fabric, whether it be mental illness, addiction, homelessness, or poverty, we ask these overstressed police officers to fill roles they are not trained or equipped for, doubling as social workers, conflict negotiators, and medical responders. Last year, more police officers died of suicide than in the line of duty. That's really interesting point.

I didn't even know that. Yes. All right, by the way, now there's also more massive issues, stopping, stop and frisk, ending cash bail, ending solitary confinement. Nobody talks about solitary confinement, it's torture. And we just do it regularly all the time, without blinking. It's inhumane what we do. International bodies should put penalties on us for how much we use solitary confinement.

It is considered torture in most countries, and we do it willy-nilly to so many of our prisoners. It's outrageous. I love that they're thinking about that, both Warren and Sanders. And then finally, marijuana. So the difference here is Elizabeth Warren wants to decriminalize and Bernie Sanders wants to legalize. And so I think legalizing is the correct thing because when you decriminalize, they're like, well, you can't legally sell it, you can just legally buy it. I always find that completely irrational.

So what are we doing? What are we doing? You still have drug dealers. Don't get me wrong, decriminalizing is a billion times better than what we have now, where where we have the Gestapo going around and the millions of people we've imprisoned for a drug possession in this country, which is just based on marijuana. It's an absolute outrage. So Warren's plan is terrific, a million times better than what we have now, and what others

are proposing. Biden's like, well, I'm thinking moving marijuana to a Schedule II drug. Ooh, wow, big change, maybe 100 years from now, we might go towards decriminalization. No, end it, it's like having a beer, we're still having this conversation. Look, guys, if all you cared about was winning, 65% of Americans want to legalize marijuana. 65%. If you live in a democracy, it's not complicated politics. So the stupid old democratic establishment way of thinking is, you don't want to go soft on crime.

You want to show Republicans you could break backs and be totally unfair and unjust to people as well, especially minorities. And then Biden will go brag about his poll numbers with African Americans, right? No, the reality is Americans are sick of this. It's both the right thing to do policy-wise, and it's also good politics. So look, there are policies, for the most part, are very similar. There are minor differences. There are some differences when it comes to language. But since we just talked about the legalization of marijuana, I want to go to Graphic 10

and read a little bit from Elizabeth Warren's proposal because she has a very fascinating take when it comes to who we should go after when it comes to drugs. I've proposed a new criminal negligence standard for executives of corporations with more than $1 billion in annual revenue when their company is found guilty of a crime or their negligence causes severe harm to American families. Instead of locking up people for nonviolent marijuana crimes, I've proposed putting pharmaceutical executives on the hook to report suspicious orders for controlled substances that damage the lives of millions.

So when it comes to the opioid epidemic, one of the issues was that there were these middlemen who would order large quantities of the drugs and then they would go ahead and ship those drugs to super questionable shady pharmacies that would give the drugs to people who should not be using them or taking them. And so I like the fact that she wants to hold these executives accountable for these types of actions. I absolutely love that. So look, I give you a sense of context, right?

Now tens of thousands of Americans die every single year based on opioid addiction. And the majority are because of legal pain killers. The minority is because of heroin, okay? So now tens of thousands of people die over it. And we have memos from the opioid companies saying we know it's going to get people hooked. Then in their marketing, they say, don't worry, this is not addictive. So that's a lie that they know is going to get people killed. All those people die, they never go to jail.

They make billions upon billions of dollars. But don't worry, they give to the ballet and opera. So the elites love them, okay? They give to the museums. On the other hand, you smoke a joint and you're gonna go to prison. Who thinks that's fair? I'll tell you who, the elites. Because the elites cannot imagine ever putting a beloved executive in prison.

they immediately go, I mean, that's not fair. I mean, he's just running a company, and if the company winds up getting tens of thousands of people killed, but he's running a company. I go to cocktail parties with him, I see him in the Hamptons. That black guy who smoked a joint in Baltimore, I never see him. He said he looks like a criminal to me. Lock him all up. Oh, God, I'm so sick of that injustice.

The whole country's sick of that injustice, because it's not just black guys in Baltimore. You think they care about you in the holler in West Virginia and Kentucky? They crush you daily for their beloved executives. Can you imagine, and I know it's hard to imagine in this day and age of America, a politician that actually represents the voters, that actually represents everybody and not just the rich. We haven't had it in 40, 50 years, so it seems like, really? Is that even possible? Politicians who put executives in jail and release innocent people from jail?

That doesn't seem possible, does it? It actually is possible because we're supposed to live in a democracy. Now, I know that in the past, the donor money has controlled everything. But in a presidential election, there's so much free media, you actually can get past the donor money. Guys, it's up to you. You vote for a progressive who's going to seek justice, and you'll get justice. If you get scared and you vote for Biden or you vote for a corporate Democrat, first of all, they're more likely to lose.

And second of all, you're never, ever going to get justice. It'll be the same guys still crushing you daily, no matter where you live in America. Let's actually go after the real villains and actually free Americans. Aren't we supposed to be for liberty? Let's vote for Warner Sanders to actually get liberty for America. So I highly recommend that you check out both proposals. Elizabeth Warren has been releasing her proposals on Medium, and Bernie Sanders proposed his legislation and his reforms on his website, that's Bernie Sanders.com.

And we'll put the links down below if you're watching this later on YouTube and Facebook. Get the information for yourselves. Whatever you do, don't listen to television pundits telling you who's more electable. Actually find out the real truth. We've got to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Thanks for listening to the full episode of the Young Turks. Support our work.

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