The Young Turks - Justice Is Coming

Episode Date: May 18, 2021

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Starting point is 00:01:01 Drop it! Drop it! All right, welcome on Power Panel. Jake Uger, John Iderola. Mike figured out of from the Humidus Report. Okay, look at this. Mike, welcome to the program, brother. Hey, thank you so much for having me.
Starting point is 00:01:46 I'm very excited to be here. Well, as you can tell, I'm excited to have you. Too excited. I know. I need some of whatever you took before the show, Jank. I need that energy. So when me, John, and Francis are to do the show, I say it's the all Mediterranean version of TYT.
Starting point is 00:02:01 But boy, this is as close to the all Italian version as you can get. Two Italians and a Turk. I'm Portuguese, actually. Oh, is that right? Now, forget it. You're out. You're out. Okay, where's Francesca?
Starting point is 00:02:15 I should have not said anything. No, I assume based on your name. But yeah, Francesca, by the way, is here. She'll be on in the second hour. But before we move on, Mike, tell us. the actual way to pronounce, like the old school homeland way of pronouncing your last thing? Man, my grandma's going to be upset because I'm not going to do it as well as she can, but it's figurato, but figurato is the main variation, but I accept like five to six other
Starting point is 00:02:45 variations of it. It's relatively difficult, but I think that if people can say Mike from humanist report, I will grant that. I think that's perfectly reasonable. See what Mike's doing there? He's throwing in the good branding. I mean, you just Because you got to go watch the humanist report. Is it part of the TYIT network? I guess. I'm priming people to say my show's name. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:03:06 It's really like a marketing exercise that, you know, that's a benefit if you have a terrible name, that's hard to pronounce. Don't I know, brother? My middle name is Kadir. I'm named after my grandfather, Abdul Qadil. But I'm thinking of changing it to TYT. Hey. His middle name is TYT.
Starting point is 00:03:23 I still remember when you interview Joe Manchin and he was calling you Sink the entire time. And it was trying to be personal by using your first name. And it's just like, sync, sync. And it was just, it was so relatable to me. Yeah, don't I know, brother. All right, look, we got a big show ahead. I'm in a great mood, but usually the first story changes that real quick. And it probably will this time as well.
Starting point is 00:03:44 But we do have tons of fun stories for you guys today, including Marjorie Taylor Green, yelling at a mailbox. You love it. It's hilarious. She still has not accepted my offer of a debate. So I guess this is day two of her being a coward. Just using her ideology right back at her. But anyway, we've got more of that later. But John, take it away.
Starting point is 00:04:07 It was actually more understandable than the media's made out to. She thinks all the mail and votes come from there. So you can understand her anger. But anyway, jokes aside, do you want to get started with some really dark news? Yes, I do, Johnny. We've got that for you. Okay. I want to give you an updated idea of what's going on in Israel and Palestine.
Starting point is 00:04:25 We've got numbers for you, but bear in mind that every time we go over these numbers, God only knows what might have happened since we found them. But as of when we did this research, Palestinian officials had said that 120 people have been killed, 900 wounded, and additionally coming from sources within the Israeli military, eight Israelis, including one soldier, had been killed. Now, if you've been following this in the time between yesterday's episode of the Young Turks and today's, you had, massive aerial bombardment last night, eventually followed by a ground invasion of both ground troops and tanks. At one point, Israel had been deploying as many as 160 aircraft simultaneously with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu saying that this operation will continue as long as it takes to restore peace and security to the state of Israel or allow me to form a functioning
Starting point is 00:05:19 government. One of those two things. Now, all that being true, those numbers, I want you to take a look at what Joe Biden had to say about the situation. Do we not? Unfortunately. Okay, well, Joe Biden was being asked about this at a press conference, and he said that from his point of view, the response had not been in any way disproportionate. That it was just understandable. They were talking with the Israeli government, and of course he then sort of turned to,
Starting point is 00:05:49 and not just Israel, we're also talking to Palestinians, but it was definitely an afterthought. And the concept that what we've seen, both in terms of the deployment of military hardware, the means, as well as the results, 120 people killed on the Palestinian side, eight Israelis killed. That is basically what we see every time this cycle of violence continues. The president of the United States, the lead Democrat, says that's not disproportionate in any way. What are your thoughts?
Starting point is 00:06:17 Yeah, so first of all, this is the same Joe Biden that's always been the same way, When Bush slightly critiqued Israel in his term, Biden chastised them publicly, saying how dare you criticize Israel publicly? If you have any kind of critique for Israel, God forbid, you should whisper that into their ear because otherwise that's going to hurt our joint propaganda to make sure that everybody think Palestinians are evil and the Israelis government is godlike and never makes any mistakes. So this is classic Biden. He's a total hawk and very conservative right winger in foreign policy. That's just reality. It makes sure media can cry about it, but we got receipts. I can show you a video after video, quote after quote.
Starting point is 00:07:07 And so this is not at all surprising. But honestly, it's not just Joe Biden. Joe Biden is a classic politician. He just puts his finger to the wind. That's why he's going slightly left now because the winds are going slightly left now. back of the day when things were right-wing, he was the most right-wing Democrat you could find. So it's really Washington. And in Washington, and Ryan Grimm at The Intercept, as usual, had a brilliant piece about this.
Starting point is 00:07:32 Even as late as 2014, he found a perfect instance of a Democrat in New York talking about just in the middle of that last conflict, just saying love Palestine. That's it, that's it, that inoffensive. And all hell rained down on her, and they try to kick her out of the Democratic Party for just saying, hey, it's okay to love Palestine. 2014 was only seven years ago. And so I lived through that my whole life, and I talked about it on yesterday's show. No critique of Israel in any way shape or form,
Starting point is 00:08:00 no matter if it was left-wing government, moderate-government, right-wing government was ever allowed. And they would try to drive you from the public square. Who's they? The classic politicians, both corporate Republicans and Democrats, the mainstream media, etc. And it was just conventional wisdom that you're not even allowed to show any degree
Starting point is 00:08:18 any degree of support for Palestine. In fact, as late as 2016, when Bernie Sanders' team insisted after they lost the primary, but they were doing a joint task force on the Democratic platform, just saying we should be in favor of a two-state solution and just mentioning Palestinians. Not any big demands on behalf of Palestinians, just mentioning they're also human, we should also take them into account and work towards a two-state solution. No, the mainstream media and mainstream Democrats sent in people, honestly, it's uncomfortable, but it's true. People like Bikari Sellers to go and kill that proposal on behalf of the Israeli lobby. That's reality, you could look into it, you can confirm what I'm saying is a fact.
Starting point is 00:09:03 You might be made uncomfortable by that fact, but my point is I think that Bikari Sellers and the others should, that's up to them on whether they feel comfortable. And they say, hey, listen, I represent the Israeli lobby, and I don't think Palestinians should be represented. You should make that point, not in the darkness of a room when they're discussing a platform where nobody can see them, but on television. So now, finally, we have progressives who are willing to stand up in Congress and say, I disagree. I think Palestinians are in fact human and should have human rights. And those are the just Democrats that John is going to get to in a minute. But it is, understand how historic it is, 25 years of covering this, and this is the first
Starting point is 00:09:48 time that anyone in power is ever saying that Palestinians have rights and should be respected as human beings and we should also care about their lives. It's never happened in Washington before. So a giant breakthrough. We'll give you the details of that in a second, but I want to let Mike jump in. Yeah, I just wanted to say to that note, back in 2014 when Israel was doing their incursion into Gaza, I remember trying to scour the internet to just hear any Democrats speak with some level of clarity. And like the best that we saw was that example that you brought up in at Ryan Grimm article where Jessica Ramos, she just tweeted out Palestine and a heart. That's it. And so even Bernie Sanders back then, I remember watching a live stream of a town hall that he did.
Starting point is 00:10:28 And his response was terrible. I was genuinely shocked like my mouth was to the floor watching this because Bernie Sanders sounded a lot like Joe Biden today to keep it real. And I love Bernie Sanders. He's moved a lot on this issue. But it really puts things in a perspective. In 2014, Bernie Sanders was even terrible. And now we have not just one, but multiple members of Congress actually speaking with clarity, not only calling it an apartheid state, but you have Ilhan Omar, which I'm sure we'll get to in a moment here, actually condemning Benjamin Netanyahu as a far right ethno-nationalist. To me, this is so significant. Like it honestly feels like a paradigm shift. And I didn't ever expect this to happen. Like I thought that forever,
Starting point is 00:11:07 the best that we'd get is silence from Democrats. But the tide is turning. And I think that what the squad is doing really, it proves that. And it's heartening. to see. Yeah, I'm just going to make one quick note. I've been criticizing Bernie a lot lately because he's not using his leverage on economic issues. And Mike is definitely right about his past stance on Israel. But since 2016 on, he has been 2015 on, he's been a warrior for justice on this issue. And again, I remember in 2016, first debate, presidential debate I ever saw in my look, actually, probably at any level in America where someone said that they cared about Palestinian's economic well-being. That was Bernie Sanders. And no one has been targeted more
Starting point is 00:11:49 by fake Democratic groups that are actually just splinter groups of A-PAC more than Bernie Sanders has, even more than Ilhan Omar. Okay, so Bernie's been excellent on this issue today. Yeah. But that brings us to the just Democrats. Yeah. And I'll get to that one time. I do want to say, I think that the paradigm shift that Mike is talking about is there. And I don't even think it's necessarily constrained just to this issue. I think that over the past few years, You've seen a lot of congressional Democrats willing to speak with something much closer to sort of a clear moral vision on conflicts like in Yemen of the U.S. relationship with Saudi Arabia that I can't imagine 10 or 15 years ago being very popular. The issue is that regardless of which of these situations we're talking about, it is still very well walled off from the leadership of either party. And in Yemen, you had some Republicans willing to work with people like Bernie Sanders and Rokana.
Starting point is 00:12:39 But with the Democrats, we have these great individuals we're going to talk about in the just Democrats. But the statements that have been put out on the current situation in Israel by people like Biden or Pelosi or McConnell, you could just throw them all in a hat and pull them out for any one of them. They're basically the same thing. In any event, though, as we said, there are people who are doing good work in this area. So we want to start off with Representative Rashida Talib. To read the statements from President Biden and Secretary Blinken, General Austin, and leaders of both parties, you'd hardly know
Starting point is 00:13:09 Palestinians existed at all. There has been no recognition of the attack on Palestinian families being ripped from their homes in East Jerusalem right now, or home demolitions, no mention of children being detained or murdered. No recognition of a sustained campaign of harassment and terror by Israeli police
Starting point is 00:13:31 against worshippers. Kneeling down and praying and celebrating their holiest day, days in one of their holiest places. No mention of Alaska. There has been absolutely no recognition of Palestinian humanity. If our own State Department can't even bring itself to acknowledge the killing of Palestinian children is wrong, well, I will say it for the millions of Americans who stand with me against the killing of innocent children no matter their ethnicity or faith. I weep for all the lives lost under the unbearable status quo, every single one, no matter
Starting point is 00:14:10 their faith, their background. How many of my colleagues are willing to say the same to stand for Palestinian human rights as they do for Israelis? Turns out very, very few. And where that stand would intersect with any sort of significant change in U.S. policy, like for instance putting any contingencies whatsoever on the military aid provided to the Israeli government. It's 19, I think, right now that are willing to do that. But I love so many the points that she made. And she did something that very few do, which is talk about what actually
Starting point is 00:14:43 kicked off this violence that we're seeing. Grenades going off in Alaksa, completely unacceptable. And that should be being played on repeat. But it's not. You're just seeing videos of missiles from Iron Dome shooting down rockets. And you'll see that over and over and over and over again until everyone will forget what actually started this. All of our leaders have already pretended that they've forgotten. She's totally right. We have to remember what actually began this. And that's already basically been wiped away. Yeah. So there's not much to add to what she said other than the fact that, oh my God, she said it in Congress. First of all, you could barely say it in the media. I can't get into all the details. But when I said it, when I said it
Starting point is 00:15:31 on air, I would get yelled at by people in power. And they would say that what I was saying was unacceptable, that you're not allowed to stand up for Palestinians. You're not ever allowed to question Israel. It was, there's no law on it. There's no, it's just, it was conventional wisdom. And if you did it too many times, you were going to get removed, right? Because in the bad old days, there were gatekeepers. And you served at their pleasure, right? And so, and guys, don't misinterpret it as anything other than this foreign policy issue. gatekeepers were not Jewish, the bosses were generally Irish. Don't get me wrong. You see what I'm saying? It was just conventional wisdom. And it was unbreakable. And she just broke it.
Starting point is 00:16:12 And what are you going to say to her? No, you shouldn't represent Palestinians, even though you're a Palestinian-American? No, you shouldn't get us to ask whether they're also human and have rights. You can't say that to her. Well, you could, but they tried. That's why that when we fought back when they called Ilhan Omar anti-Semitic and they tried that resolution on her, that was actually the beginning of the end of that monopoly and breaking that monopoly. So they thought that she would go quietly into the night. I got to tell you guys, look, I'm proud of it and you should be proud of it. We form the Justice Democrats, and yes, there's been bumps in the road, etc., right?
Starting point is 00:16:50 But if those four weren't all Justice Democrats, the so-called squad, right? AOC, Talib, Omar, and Iyana Presley. They wouldn't have necessarily stuck together like they did. They just would have been random congresspeople who never might not have even ever met before they got into Congress. But instead they met, they were a group, they were Justice Democrats. And so when they went after Ilhan Omar, Rashida, AOC, Ayana stepped in. And it made a big difference.
Starting point is 00:17:16 And then the second time they went after Ilhan Omar unjustly, we won, they lost. And then the tide turned. And here is a result of the tide. By the way, these speeches, John, I don't know how many more you got, but Ayanna Presley's was fantastic. And I'll tell you, I'll give you, be honest about it. Iana Presley was much more right wing on this issue before. But now she's part of just Democrats. Now I think she's given room to run.
Starting point is 00:17:38 And she's talking about apartheid. Look, if you called Israel in apartheid state on air on cable news just a couple of years ago, you would have been taken off the air for sure. That's, and anybody that denies it is totally not living in reality. Mike thoughts? You couldn't even say occupation on air without issuing some sort of a correction. That was taboo as well. And the beauty of their speeches is that everything that they're saying, like they're not mincing words, they're unequivocally condemning Israel.
Starting point is 00:18:12 And that matters. You know, even the folks who disagree with what's happening and aren't peddling the whole, oh, well, Israel has the right to defend itself line. You know, they may not necessarily want to speak up because they know that the Israel lobby is going to bankroll their opponent's campaign come election time. But that's already happening to Rishita Thelib Ilhan Omar. So they have nothing to lose at this point. And that's why they're speaking with so much clarity. They don't they don't care because everything that could have been done against them has already been done.
Starting point is 00:18:39 So now, you know, the shackles have have been released and they're just speaking on this issue as it is. And what is happening is apartheid. And to have any member of Congress say the words apartheid truly is a game changer. 100%. Exactly. And I just want to see one last thing about that, or two quick things. One is they came out of the Bernie Sanders, they came hardest at Ilhan Omar. And they spent a tremendous amount of money trying to defeat her in Democratic primary this time around, okay, in 2020.
Starting point is 00:19:08 And I told you guys, they have a 0% chance of beating her. They're like, oh, no, we're going to beat it. No, because it's all on name recognition, right? And so she steamrolled her opponents that had much greater financing than her. So now I told you they're paper tigers. They're paper tigers. Everybody was afraid of absolutely nothing, right? And so now Ilhan Omar showed that.
Starting point is 00:19:26 By the way, you know who's there coming after next? Nina Turner. Yeah. So by Nina Turner.com slash hello. We cannot have her lose, especially at the hands of people who want to, you know, don't want even-handedness, don't want a two-state solution, don't want fairness for Palestinians. and then are going to bankroll Nina Turner's opponent to the tune of millions of dollars? Oh, hell no.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Nina Turner.com slash hello, go help her right now. She's the middle of a campaign right now, and she would be, I mean, if you like these speeches and you should, wait until you get a load of Nina. Yeah, I'm personally worried. I think Michelle Caruso Cabrera, a couple more million dollars. I think she's going to take down AOC next time. What a waste of money. But that said, can we actually skip, let's cue up Iona Presley because, you know, it kills
Starting point is 00:20:12 me that we can't go to all of these. There was a lot of great. Isn't that amazing? We have a problem of too many good speeches being given. But anyway, here is Representative Presley. Palestinians are being told the same thing as black folks in America. There is no acceptable form of resistance. We are bearing witness to egregious human rights violations. The pain, trauma, and terror that Palestinians are facing is not just the result of this week's escalation, but the consequence of years of military occupation. We cannot stand idly and complicitly by and allow the occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people
Starting point is 00:20:44 to continue. We cannot remain silent when our government sends 3.8 billion of military aid to Israel that is used to demolish Palestinian homes, imprison Palestinian children, and displaced Palestinian families. A budget is a reflection of our values. I'm committed to ensuring that our government does not fund state violence in any form anywhere. Many say the conditioning aid is not a phrase that I should utter here, but let me be clear, no matter the context, American government dollars always come with conditions. The question at hand is should our taxpayer dollars create conditions for justice, healing, and repair? Or should those dollars create conditions for oppression and apartheid? Now, while I hold space, do space for the story
Starting point is 00:21:30 history and unique lived experiences on the ground globally, there is a through line here. And And whether we are talking about the militarization of our communities or weapons of war, the question is the same. If our budgets are a statement of our values, what do we value? That was just about the best I've heard from her, I think, actually. Literally the best speech she's ever given that I've seen. I love the point that she drew it back to the experience in the U.S. There's no way that you are actually allowed to speak up for yourself to fight for any sort of change.
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Starting point is 00:22:51 a jagged strip of land blockaded indefinitely by Israel and Egypt, who's roughly two million residents endured daily power outages of up to 16 hours and running water that worked only every other day. Well, now, after the massive aerial bombardment campaign, they're down to about five hours of electricity per day and half their usual water supply. So obviously, the situation right now is insane, it's unthinkable. It was insane and unthinkable before. So what are they supposed to do? And for how many years are they supposed to do it?
Starting point is 00:23:22 Not just like to be able to totally control their own, like literally be able to live with electricity and water, as we would expect for any human living in any portion of the world. have no idea. I'm sure they're confused too, because it doesn't seem like there's anything they can do. Peace or conflict, organization, or chaos, that will actually result in any bettering of their lives. Yeah, so guys, I'm telling you, man, if you ever gave a dollar or an hour to a Justice Democrat, an hour of your time, you did it. At least on this really important issue, this moral issue, you made a giant difference. This is unprecedented. I just can't oppress that enough on you. First of all, when she says, what form of resistance is acceptable?
Starting point is 00:24:06 It's such a great question. I remember when just a couple of years ago, when the Palestinians tried to go to the United Nations and have Palestine declared a state, just like Israel did, identical to Israel. And I said, well, if you don't allow this, what do you allow? They're going diplomatic, peaceful, nonviolent. And they said, nope, you can't protest Israel. You can't go to the United Nations. You can't, obviously can't do violence.
Starting point is 00:24:30 You can't do anything. You just have to sit there and never have freedom and know that you're inferior to us. And when I said things like that, I was considered a monster. Why do you think we're outcasts? Because we say things like that that are true and that Washington despises. It was not allowed to be said. It was not allowed to be said, but she just said it in the house. What are you going to do now?
Starting point is 00:24:52 And they all set it together. Corey Bush, AOC, Ilhan Omar. We don't have time to show you all their videos, but go watch them. amazing. Thank you. Even Mark Pocan and some others that have kind of been quiet on everything are now speaking up on this issue. McCullum from Minnesota has been a giant on this issue. So now, look, one final thing for me. She touched the third rail there and she didn't die politically. The third rail is conditioning aid to Israel. Like you can, maybe you could like, I don't hate Palestinians.
Starting point is 00:25:28 Maybe you could have done that like three years ago, but that was the outer limit. Now she's saying, yeah, I'm not necessarily going to give you the $3.8 billion we give you. Maybe I'm going to vote, no, it depends. Are you killing people with it? Or are you doing something good with it? Are you protecting your citizens? It depends, right? And that was heresy, heresy until about 24 hours ago.
Starting point is 00:25:53 Super, super fast. I don't know if you remember back during the Republican primary in 2016, Rand Paul, who was running obviously as, you know, what passes for a libertarian, was like, no aid anywhere. And they were all like, yeah. And he was like, including to Israel. And they were like, boo. And he was like, okay, Israel can have it.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Like he totally backed off instantly. It was the fastest turnaround I've ever seen. I do remember. We covered on this show. He's such a coward. You see, Rand Paul? That's how you do it. Learn from those women, okay?
Starting point is 00:26:19 And figure out how to grow a set. Mike. Yeah, I wanted to add about Mark Pocan's comment, it was really impressive to see him. This is the former co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, and he said something really magnificent that I didn't expect a progressive leader in Congress to say because they have been relatively silent on some issues. He said that to remain silent during this time, it's decided with the oppressor. That's a shot at all other Democrats to speak up. Now is the time where we're going to look back in history and see who actually will. was on the side of the oppressor and who was on the side of human rights. And for him to say that,
Starting point is 00:26:56 honestly, like, you usually don't see Democrats fight, especially when they're fighting other Democrats. But to me, that was, that was incredible. And honestly, Mark Pocan deserves a lot of credit for that, because that did take bravery. Yeah, I, he's the one guy that's sometimes progresses in Washington and say, oh, Mark Pocan does stuff. I've never seen him do anything. But that was wonderful. And, and you're right, Mike, that's another line. They never cross, which is criticizing fellow Democrats, which to give credit to the Republicans, they cross all the time, right? They have actual debates.
Starting point is 00:27:30 They might be crazy, but they're real debates within the party. Before, the Democratic Party, intra-party debates were unacceptable, and you were a monster if you did it. Well, they just did it, right? So maybe that could also spill over into other issues like $15 minimum wage, where you might be able to say, hey, you know, fellow Democrats, I think you might be lying. you don't actually want it because you say you want it, then you vote no. That gives me a pretty indignation that you don't want it.
Starting point is 00:27:58 Look, cross your fingers one step at a time. But this is a monumentally important issue on human rights. And there's Mark Pocan actually being a leader. And there's all those other wonderful legislators fighting for justice like we've never seen before. So for anyone who helped make that happen, thank you. Well, not surprisingly, that took up a good portion of the hour. We do have to take our first break, though. There's a lot of other news to get to, and we'll do that after this.
Starting point is 00:28:27 We need to talk about a relatively new show called Un-F-The Republic, or UNFTR. As a Young Turks fan, you already know that the government, the media, and corporations are constantly peddling lies that serve the interests of the rich and powerful. But now there's a podcast dedicated to unraveling those lies, debunking the conventional wisdom. In each episode of Un-B-The-Republic, or UNFTR, the host delves into a different historical episode or topic that's generally misunderstood or purposely obfuscated by the so-called powers that be. Featuring in-depth research, razor-sharp commentary, and just the right amount of vulgarity, the UNFTR podcast takes a sledgehammer to what you thought you knew about
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Starting point is 00:30:16 Deeper Because I have, first go to our member I'm a member to become a member and be part of this and be part of the show. Someone who likes Bernie Sanders wrote in. I got to rename the show The Humanist Report with Mike from the Humanist Report. Always thinking. I like it. And he grabs attention. Now I go to YouTube Super Chat.
Starting point is 00:31:26 Forrest Dudley writes in, amazing to see Mike. Humanist Report was the first progressive show I ever started watching when I began my political awakening during the start of the 2020 primary. Never knew you were part of the TYT network. There needs to be a list. That's right. We're going to make a list and check it twice. So, but seriously, that's actually a good point. And at some point, there's a lot to work on, we put together that list and put it on our website.
Starting point is 00:31:53 I just go to t.yt.com. You'll already see a lot of our programming, et cetera. But Mike's been part of the network for a long time. I'm super proud to have them. And thank you for us for writing that in. New members on YouTube, Mick Greenwood, Ashrob Jalajal, and Gregor McNee. So are you guys American heroes for helping to support getting the truth out there? And fighting for positive change?
Starting point is 00:32:16 Yes, yes you are. So thank you for joining. We appreciate it. Makes this show possible. Y.T. pre-nude writes in on YouTube super chat. On Palestine, Jewish voices like Sanders, are vital. And I've said this a thousand times on the show if you've been watching the whole 19 years. The strongest voices up until now fighting against the Israeli oppression and occupation have almost all been Jewish voices in America.
Starting point is 00:32:43 And by the way, there's partly a reason for that. If you're not Jewish, again, until about two years ago, you would automatically be labeled an anti-Semite. That's just reality. You just smear like every time. And this is a matter of routine. Even Bernie does a little bit. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:33:01 And then, in fact, I predicted last election before it started, since Bernie's great on the issue of Israel and Palestine, they'll call him an anti-Semite. And they did. And we showed it to you on the show. Bernie Sanders is Jewish. they called them an anti-Semite because that's the only thing they got in their bag. And that's why I say when you're fighting paper tigers, you just got to get past that first trick. They only always have one trick.
Starting point is 00:33:21 Oh, you're an anti-Semite. Oh, I'm going to spend $2 million against you. Okay, you get past those two tricks. You're done. And you show, oh, what happened? What happened? You spent it. You called me an anti-Semite.
Starting point is 00:33:30 Ilhan Omar is a perfect example. And we beat you because you were wrong and you were lying. So, but look, I can name a huge list for you. Adam Green, et cetera. Matt Stoller, on and on and on, a wonderful folks who've led that fight and have been principled and awesome progressives. All right, I'm out of time, but you guys have so many great comments, but I'll read them in the next breaks. We'll be right back. All right.
Starting point is 00:34:40 John and Mike with you guys. John, take it away. Let's do it. The GOP can boot Liz Cheney out of leadership, but they can't necessarily stop her from talking about the last election and her perceptions of what happened and what didn't happen. In fact, doing the first might have made the second actually
Starting point is 00:34:56 more likely because she was just on Fox News and here's a conversation that she had with Brett Pair. When you look at the challenge that the former president is presenting right now still today, claiming that the election was stolen, claiming that our electoral process does not accurately reflect the will of the people. No remorse or regret for January
Starting point is 00:35:14 6th, continuing to use the language that we know inspired violence in the past. But I continue to say it though, Brett. And I continue to say it. You believe it in principle. I get it. But for the people of Wyoming who are electing a congressperson to fight for them and to fight against the Biden agenda, why wouldn't they say, is this the person that's going to get it done? That's what your colleagues are asking. I'm going to answer the question. We all have an obligation. And I would say Fox News, especially, especially Fox News, has a particular obligation to make sure people know the election wasn't stolen. Fox News, Fred, I'm going to answer your question. Fox News needs to make sure that the American people, they need to make sure that the American people, Brett, you're doing
Starting point is 00:36:02 the interview, I'm answering the questions. We need to make sure that the American people recognize and understand that the election wasn't stolen, that we shouldn't perpetuate the big lie, and that there's real danger. They seem to really like each other. Yeah, you know that Brett Baer is totally comfortable with acknowledging that the election was legitimate. When he says, we've said that, we've said that, come on. Like, he definitely wants to have this be a thing that his show is known for, acknowledging legitimacy. And he also threw out, you know, why would the people of Wyoming want you?
Starting point is 00:36:35 you're supposed to be fighting against Biden, so why are you acknowledging that the election wasn't stolen? So that's what they would say. That's what he threw out. When he kept asking the question, he seems to want to make that be what Liz Cheney is about, a question of can you serve as a congresswoman, can you deliver for your constituents, can you oppose Biden if you don't tell the lie that the election was stolen? None of that makes any sense to me, but that's one of their straight news guys saying it. Yeah, and by the way, if you compare the voting record of Liz Cheney to at least Stefanik, who replaced her. Cheney was more conservative than by about 20 points, a little bit over 20 points, if I remember, right?
Starting point is 00:37:15 And by the way, to Liz Cheney's discredit, she also voted with Donald Trump far more than Stefanik did. She voted with Trump 92% of the time. So like this big, bold, anti-Trump person opposed to them 8% of the time. Now, at the same time, this election is so important and protecting our democracy is so important. appreciate what she's saying on this issue even though I disagree with her on everything else. Now, but the reason
Starting point is 00:37:40 she's emphasizing Fox here is a poll just came out saying 86% of Fox viewers think the election was stolen. Joe Biden stole the election. Like fraud, cheated, fix the voting like in all those different states
Starting point is 00:37:58 you understand what kind of a giant conspiracy that would take? And that that actually happened in the real world. and Donald Trump actually won but was robbed. That's what 86% of Fox viewers believe. Now, how do you think they came to that belief? Because of what Liz Cheney saying, because Fox says it all the time.
Starting point is 00:38:18 They say it with undertones, overtones, the flat out say it, they have guests say it, over and over and over again, and then two or three times Chris Wallace and Brett Baer say, by the way, the election wasn't stolen, please don't sue us, okay? Please keep watching. Yeah, no, the overwhelming message you send you send through Tucker Carlson and everyone else that it was stolen and you guys are
Starting point is 00:38:37 unbelievable liars and you brainwashed tens of millions of americans into believing your goddamn lie. So I can't believe I'm on the same side as Liz Cheney, but only on this one issue. All right, Mike. Yeah, I've got to say, you know, a broken clock is right twice a day. And Liz Cheney, thankfully, is- At TYT, we frequently talk about all the ways that big tech companies are taking control of our online lives. constantly monitoring us and storing and selling our data. But that doesn't mean we have to let them. It's possible to stay anonymous online and hide your data from the prying eyes of big tech.
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Starting point is 00:40:10 cares about democracy. If she cared about democracy, she would have supported HR1 before the People Act. It passed the House and Liz Cheney voted nay on the For the People Act. So she actually cared about the legislative push around the country using the big lie that she's denouncing now, she would have supported that piece of legislation. And so I read a really phenomenal piece in The Intercept from Ryan Grimm, where he breaks down how every single thing that Liz Cheney does is a cynical ploy to advance her own career. So I could only speculate. I don't know what she's doing here. Maybe she's trying to position herself as like the anti-Trump Republican in 2024, 2028, I'm not sure. But what I do know is that one thing that I have to point out
Starting point is 00:40:47 is she wasn't concerned about another big lie that Fox News pushed a few years ago. Her father's big lie about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. So even though, like it's good that Liz Cheney is telling the truth about the election, I just can't not hate her. She's so insufferable because she's such a liar herself. And everything just seems so disingenuous and opportunistic. So that might be overly cynical, but I'm speaking my truth here. I love you. I think you're speaking your truth. Mike, that's not at all overly cynical. That's 100% right. I hate her guts, jank. I don't know, guys. There is a consistency, though. Her father only told that lie to export democracy over to Iraq.
Starting point is 00:41:29 Oh, yeah, that's always- That is true. That is the one thing I miss. Yeah, that's true. So, look, all the things, the facts that Mike gave about Liz Cheney's record are factually indisputable. The fact that he hates her guts is also factually indisputable. It's his actual opinion. But seriously, guys, one last thing.
Starting point is 00:41:47 Look, I don't care too much how politicians, what they actually think or what their real motivations are, as long as they're voting or doing the right thing. So I won't look a gift horse too much in the mouth here, and I'm glad because it matters that there's a Republican out there saying Trump's a liar, Trump's a liar. All these Republicans are liars. Lyers, it's not true. The election wasn't stolen. From a marketing, branding media perspective, that makes a big difference. Okay, having said that, Mike, I thought the same exact thing this morning. As I was reading this, I was like, oh, oh, wait a minute, this is actually really smart on Liz Cheney's.
Starting point is 00:42:26 part, because she's establishing herself, her brand as the anti-Trump person. Like now, nobody remembers Jeff Flake or anyone else or Classy Ben Sassy, who's gone back into a cave and hiding, et cetera. The one person everybody remembers us that didn't support Donald Trump, the Republican Party, is Liz Cheney. So she just separated herself from everyone else. I'm not saying that position wins, but there needs to be, but it's a smart play as a matter of percentages if you're one person out of all those Congress people to stand out to go this specific route. I, maybe. I mean, definitely politicians are arrogant and ambitious. I just, I can't imagine
Starting point is 00:43:10 that she looks out there or has any polling that tells her that she's going to break through in 2024, 2028. Oh, she's a Cheney. Of course she's looking for power. Of course. I just don't know where she's supposed to find it. No, but she was the current Republican Party. She was third in charge of the Republicans in the house, right? She was the number three Republican in the House. Does Cheney have larger ambitions? Of course. Schumer's the majority leader. He's not going to be president
Starting point is 00:43:34 ever. There are limits. The Cheney's much, much younger. No, I get, look. Maybe. No, no. She did almost have to be stupid not to think about her positioning and her branding and how she's going to be considered the number one anti-Trump Republican in the country. And if
Starting point is 00:43:50 Trump falls out of favor, for example, if he was prosecuted, you know, that would increase his favor. Wish upon a dream, etc. Look, I don't know how he would fall out of favor. It seems nearly impossible. I'm not saying that that strategy would win. But if you're looking to give yourself the best odds, this is how you would do it. So, but if she's doing it for politics, I don't really care. So how about it, hoss? Yeah, I like the truth. Yeah. Now that said, why don't we turn to another topic, very different news. Oh, okay. Well, unfortunately, we're going to. But first, a break. And then we'll come back. We'll give you the latest on Matt Gates. Some developments coming early next week that are he's not going to like. We'll have that after this.
Starting point is 00:44:52 Thank you. Back during the break. Look, I want to do guys programming announcements for you guys, but I can't get past all the love for Mike. Cassie Kraft on YouTube super chat. Love The Humanist Report. Glad to see Mike on the Power Panel. Bless your heart. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 00:45:45 Tim Coger writes in, Mike, aka the Humanist Report on Power Panel, love it. What's next? The Rational and National? Is independent media like TYT and them great? I guess. Tim, you are correct. I guess. Hell yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Yes, and The Rational National is great too. Look, guys, it's almost like we've got a progressive network and it kind of kicks ass and dominates online. So one quick side story is it's a perfect lead into the next announcement I'm going to tell you guys. So there was a recent article in mainstream media and they're talking about like, oh, This right-wing channel, right-wing channel, they only care about right-wing channels on YouTube, the mainstream press. They almost never cover left-wing channels, right? And they're like, by the way, Young Turks, larger than all of them combined. Okay, anyway, we move on.
Starting point is 00:46:34 Okay, by the way, they didn't even say it, they just showed it in a chart. They're like, look at how important the right-wing media is. They're number 17. Oh, Young Turks, number three. Anyway, don't talk about them. Number 17 for the win. Anyways. We're number 17?
Starting point is 00:46:52 By the way, we're number three on Facebook in all of America in news. So beneath us is CNN, Fox News, ABC News, et cetera. Okay, so not a big deal that I just mentioned that. All right, speaking of not a big deal, guess who just won another streaming? Who could it be? Who could it be? Who? I guess it was us.
Starting point is 00:47:16 I guess it was you guys. In fact, literally, we just won audience honor for best live event. coverage for 2020 election. So right wing, go home and cry about that. Oh, you're gonna get triggered, you get triggered. And I'm meltdown. Best live coverage of the 2020 election, all of online. Young Turks, too strong.
Starting point is 00:47:40 And of course it was because of you guys, because you voted for it. Well, I love that everyone, like almost every time the industry or whatever, it's like, oh, this like really super serious mainstream media outlet did something slightly interesting. We're going to give it to them. Let's ask the audience. The audience is like, Yot, T.Y.D. Right.
Starting point is 00:47:59 So I think that's their 12th streaming and shorthy and webby combined. Wow, I lost track. Thanks to you guys. All right. Oh, my God, I only have 30 seconds left. Common Rooms tonight. Huge announcement. Oh, sick, that, okay.
Starting point is 00:48:12 You can't miss it. It's 9 p.m. Eastern tonight. There's a big announcement. Now, I can't wait to see it. Sunday stream is a 6 o'clock Eastern. You're going to be shocked to find out on Sunday. Okay, on Monday, after the damage report, I guess you should watch that. Dr. Rashad Rishi, Indisputable, that's a 2.15 p.m. Eastern on Mondays on Twitch.
Starting point is 00:48:33 We'll see you there. All right, back on TYT, Jank, John, Mike, and Jessica Vicari. Jessica just joined Young Turks by hitting the join button below on YouTube. She bit of an American hero? Yes. Welcome, Jessica. All right, John, you're up. Okay.
Starting point is 00:49:19 We've got a bit of news. You're going to want to keep on your radar at the beginning of next week. I know that Representative Matt Gates is going to be watching it, and that is that Joel Greenberg, one of his best buddies, is set to plead guilty on Monday to a federal charges as part of a plea deal with the feds. Now, Greenberg, who had previously pleaded not guilty, currently faces 33 counts amid a slew of crimes. Since his initial arrest last June, the indictment has expanded from stalking and identity theft to include charges of. of stealing from the tax office he once led in Florida and sex trafficking a minor. A 17-year-old girl who Greenberg claimed in a confession letter had been paid to have sex with him and a number of his associates, including Gates. Now, in terms of what exactly is going to happen next week, we don't have very specific details.
Starting point is 00:50:06 The Thursday court filing doesn't provide details of exactly which charges he's going to plead guilty to or the conditions of his agreement with the U.S. Attorney's Office. But two sources familiar with the investigation have said Greenberg will likely not be able to shake off the sex trafficking charge. A conviction for sex trafficking a minor carries a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years in prison. But the initial reporting said that he would likely be pleading guilty to six of the 33. Now, if he were doing that and believing that that would be sufficient as part of the deal, getting so many of them knocked away implies a close working relationship with the investigators and likely the possibility that he had had valuable information to provide in exchange
Starting point is 00:50:47 for getting rid of a couple of dozen other charges. So again, we don't know exactly what's going to happen to Greenberg, let alone what this might mean for Representative Matt Gates, but it's probably not good news from the congressman's point of view. Now, John just gave you the facts in a newsman-like way. I will summarize this way. No, nah, nah, nah, nah, no, no. Okay, so this guy strikes a plea deal. Remember Matt Gates and him were on the record about it. a billion percent back and forth. Oh, yeah, you want to get hookers? That's not an exact quote. But basically, and it's not my words, it's their words.
Starting point is 00:51:29 Again, I'm paraphrasing, though. And then they would talk about the specific girls. They would do stupid things like write in. What's the reason for paying them tuition? When you're trying to get young girls and you're paying for young girls, don't write it's for tuition. But it's worse, Matt Gates actually wrote the name of the girl on the Venmo account. It just doesn't get any dumber.
Starting point is 00:51:51 It looks like Greenberg's got a thousand pieces of documents that he could hand over to prosecutors. His lawyer indicated that he already did. And so now, usually rich white men get away with everything in this country, if we're keeping it real. And Republicans, if they're right, we're like almost above the law. But this is really bad, and he's not named Donald Trump. So I just, I'm so curious because if Matt Gates doesn't at least have to resign, I mean, him going to prison, it seems impossible. A right-wing white man going to prison in this country, that's wealthy and already powerful, seems literally impossible, right? So I'll say, okay, how about just leaving office? Is that possible?
Starting point is 00:52:40 And if he doesn't, that means, no, that's it. right wing right white men unfortunately in this country or maybe fortunately for them totally above the law they could do anything including having sex with underage girls and trafficking them and still get away with it but my guess is he'll at least have to resign but i'm not positive mike yeah i mean this is probably the first time in his life that he's ever faced any sort of accountability whatsoever i mean his father is super rich so there's that but also i just want to comment on this story. So it's both illuminating and perplexing at the same time. It's illuminating because now we kind of understand why he was the one member of Congress to vote
Starting point is 00:53:22 against a sex trafficking bill just a couple of years ago. So now it all makes a little bit more sense. But it's confusing because he's currently going on an America first tour with Marjorie Taylor Green, who's a former QAnon member, perhaps a current Q&N member. And aren't they supposed to be against the sex traffickers? I'm just, I'm confused by this. I feel like she should be taking a stand here. She should be outraged. She should be calling him out. But when it's their own team, crickets. Yeah. Mike, it almost sounds like you're saying that they don't actually care about any of the things that they claim to care about. That they're actually don't think that the immigrant that crossed the border with zero dollars in his pocket actually secretly
Starting point is 00:54:01 controls the entire United States government and sets the rules, that they just use them as a target to demagogue, like they don't actually think top politicians in this country Ryan run child sex trafficking rings, and they just use that, say that about Democrats to destroy their brand and to win politically, and to use child molestation as a deeply callous, immoral political football. It almost sounds like that's what you're saying, and like what they seem to be doing with their actions. But I'm sure Marjorie Taylor Green, During the breaks of their joint tour is chiding Matt Gates very religiously. Matt, you have been a bad boy, I'm sure she says all the time.
Starting point is 00:54:46 She probably yells into his mailbox, but we just don't see it. Outwardly, she seems to be supporting the person charged with the most child sex trafficking allegations in all of Congress. And the guy who's number two, Jim Jordan, who didn't, who's not charged with doing it himself, but protecting a notorious child molester who was his friend when he was a wrestling coach. So two for two, let alone, of course, the big guy. Donald Trump, who was friends with Jeffrey Epstein, is on the record as saying that Jeffrey Epstein liked women as much as I do, but he likes him really young. That means that Trump knew.
Starting point is 00:55:26 Trump knew that Jeffrey Epstein was having sex with underage girls and thought it was a joke, thought it was funny. And then when Gisleine Maxwell was arrested, he wished her well twice. Even though she's literally the most notorious child sex trafficker in the country, she was Jeffrey Epsey's partner. And all that overwhelming information about actual child molesters in the Republican Party, let alone the former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, who turned out to be an actual child molester himself and et cetera.
Starting point is 00:55:57 And they're like, yeah, the Democrats did it. Q&N and every right wingers, you're all a joke. all you want you don't care about child molestation you don't care about that at all the fact that you use it as a political prop makes you a disgusting person disgusting you're you're anyway you know it's just simple-minded it is it is setting up a dichotomy where you don't ever ever have to think critically about any particular democrat whether there might be valued any of their proposals or maybe we disagree but they're still honorable gentlemen or whatever no they they they rape and eat children. So that I have now, I've cleansed you. You never have to think critically about them. And the thing about Matt Gates, it's not just that she, like let's say she was just being silent about Matt Gates and Jim Jordan and Donald Trump. That would be cowardly enough. But she's going on a tour with him. She is basically the only Republican that's standing by him, which is, it's such a more active thing to do that it almost implies to me that this is also
Starting point is 00:56:56 about sending a message to her followers that, like, I'm going to reassure you, case you ever have an uncomfortable thought like one ounce of cognitive dissonance about the fact that there might be pedophiles in our own party. No, you know that you trust me. I'm vouching for him. The Democrats are all Satanists who eat baby faces. And the Republicans, no matter how bad it may sound, we will just, we'll put it under the umbrella of fake news. I'll stand by them so you know that they're good. It's this perfect black and white dichotomy. And she, when put to the test, is always going to buttress that. Look, guys, two things about this.
Starting point is 00:57:33 Number one, I talk about this a lot more in my theoretically upcoming book. So you can get it at justicescomingbook.com. Justice iscomingbook.com. What is the abortion issue? It's about Democrats killing babies. So Q&O's been around for a long, long time. It's a giant part of the Republican Party. And they've always, so while the Democrats keep beseeching the Republicans,
Starting point is 00:58:03 oh, our beloved Republican colleagues, Nancy Pelosi recently said, she just wants the Republican Party to be stronger. And Joe Biden is constantly rooting for the Republican Party. The Republicans have been saying that Democrats are child killers for as long as I've been alive. Yeah. Okay. And so this is nothing new. And so the second point is, but if they don't actually mean it, which is obvious they don't,
Starting point is 00:58:25 on all the evidence we just gave you. And they don't even care about child molestation when it actually happens. What do they care about? You know what that unites the right wing voters? Fear and hatred. So black people, brown people, immigrants, et cetera. They're coming for my money.
Starting point is 00:58:44 They're coming for my house. They're coming for my daughter. They're coming for my wife. Always worried about their wife. I don't know what it is, right? I need a big gun because I'm insecure, et cetera. Fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, hatred, hatred. hatred. Let's be honest, that's what unites them. Yeah. The only thing that unites them.
Starting point is 00:59:01 Yeah. Also, and you'll have to do the research yourself, both Gates and Green, have been known to party. I'll just say that. That unites them as well. But anyway, let's get into our last story because we have less than five minutes at this point. It would seem like, it would seem like it would be easy to set up some sort of government investigation into what happened when the government itself was attacked on the sixth. But the negotiations to set that up have been fraught, Republicans have raised any number of different ridiculous roadblocks. That said, we do apparently have some sort of deal. Under the terms of the agreement that's been reached negotiated by representatives Benny Thompson and John Katko, Congress is going to form a 10-person
Starting point is 00:59:40 commission with five members appointed each by the Democrats and the Republicans. The commissioners must have, quote, significant expertise in the areas of law enforcement, civil rights, civil liberties, privacy, intelligence, and cybersecurity, and cannot currently hold public office. the panel would be charged with investigating the circumstances of the attack as well as the influencing factors that may have provoked it. And subpoenas are going to have to receive approval from both the chair and the vice chair. The commission is going to issue a final report by the end of the year, which is just enough time for 80% of the population to forget that it happened. And the remaining 20% Republicans to still believe that Antifa did it. But that said, we are going to have a commission.
Starting point is 01:00:20 They're going to look into and then eventually put out a report on who actually organized. it, the chatter online that was going on around it, what planning there might have been for the attack, hopefully a bit more firm information about what exact messaging was going on between the mayor or the president, the National Guard during the day and all of that, although you are going to have to wait to actually get that information. Yeah, so I'm really mixed on this. So first of all, they're spending $1.9 billion on it. Seems like a lot of money for a commission.
Starting point is 01:00:54 I get that a lot of it's going to go to the Capitol Hill police. Some of us should go to the Capitol Hill police, but not exactly defund the police when you give them extra a couple of billion dollars. And so some of it's going to great stuff like body cams and mental health assistance, et cetera. But there's apparently going to be a retractable fence system. So whenever there's an intruder named a citizen, they're going to presumably put up a giant fence around the Capitol. So, yes, the rioters, right-wing rioters ruined it for everybody. Yes, it is their fault. But I don't want the Capitol and to be in permanent lockdown because who are they going to lock down, lock out first?
Starting point is 01:01:36 Progressive protesters, you know that. When the right wing came in with violence, the cops let them. Cops got there, got beat into the ground. Look, people always say like, oh, poor cops, you know, et cetera. And yeah, of course, you know, and we talked about it and they were brutally assaulted by the right-wing rioters. Well, I'm going to say something controversial. Why don't they shoot them? They shot one of them finally when they were about to break into the most inner chamber of Congress where they might actually murder the Congress people, right?
Starting point is 01:02:08 But if that was black protesters, you know it would have been a slaughter. You know they would have been massacred. Everybody knows that. Oh, my God, imagine if it was Muslim protesters. I don't know if any of them would have walked down alive. They beat the living crap out of cops, like hundreds of cops. Cops barely, all that in one instance, didn't shoot back. I've never seen anything like that.
Starting point is 01:02:29 So is this commission going to investigate that? Why didn't cops who always shoot first, ask questions later? Why was this the one time, the time that we most needed them to do security, the one time that they didn't shoot immediately? I just don't get it. I don't want them shooting immediately. But there was many moments there where you would have said, that's a justifiable shooting. Like when one of the officers is being dragged down the steps of the Capitol and tased with his own taser, my God, if black people were doing that, they would have brought in a gatling gun and mowed down everybody, right?
Starting point is 01:03:04 But they just let them walk. So, but it's the reason, but it's split 50-50. It's half Republicans on this commission, half Democrats, they're never going to investigate that. I'd be shocked if they investigated. Why didn't the cops shoot? Why did they, why were they given orders if they're right wingers, just get your ass handed to you, doesn't matter if you die, if the right wingers bowed down before them? I mean, there was a recently, the acting secretary of defense said on the record, Trump said to him on January 3rd, make sure the National Guard protects the protesters. Okay, and so now remember where the protesters then threatened to execute members of Congress, Trump did not order the National Guard to go in.
Starting point is 01:03:46 The National Guard was to protect the vigilantes trying to do the coup. It was not to protect the congresspeople, but they were trying to do the coup against, and his own vice president. So, and the last thing is, I'm enormously skeptical of any BS political commission. So are they going to find, what they're going to investigate the right-wing groups? They're going to find out who actually plots against America all the time, and they're going to go arrest them. They'll probably do a couple that were at the event, right, that were actually on there at the Capitol on January 6th. Sure, they'll follow up on that, okay? But those groups overall, no, they're right wing.
Starting point is 01:04:22 I'd be shocked if there were consequences. Mike. Yeah, I agree with you. There's a lot of red flags. And I feel like only nothing but negative things can come of this, right? Mondair Jones is one of the few representatives actually kind of sounding the alarm saying, is it really the best idea to just give Capitol Police more money? Because let's remember, Capitol Police officers were taking.
Starting point is 01:04:46 taking selfies with some of the rioters, so you're giving money to people who may have been complicit in a way. And so whenever I see things like this, I just think, okay, how are Democrats and Republicans going to team up to crack down on civil liberties? I mean, every single person who is an adult should know about the Patriot Act and how 9-11 was used as a justification to further crack down on civil liberties. And so what I could anticipate with the big fence that you were referring to, Jenk, is that this is going to be a situation where, you know, perhaps They'll use it against right wingers if they choose to storm the capital again, but disproportionately, this will be used against the left every single time. So if we want to use some sort of a march on or do a march on Washington for Medicare for all, well, they're going to bring this out.
Starting point is 01:05:30 So I just, I don't trust it and I'm skeptical. And I don't think it's, like, what are they using the $1.9 billion for? How is this going to lead to any accountability? I think the answer is that it's not. So I just fear it more than anything else. Yeah. Yeah. Look, and finally Mike brings up an excellent point, which is the 9-11 commission, the parts that actually told us Saudi Arabia did it were redacted.
Starting point is 01:05:59 Yep. And we've never found out the government of Saudi Arabia's actual role in attacking us. They're the people who actually attacked us on 9-11. We did a whole giant commission and two wars, and we never held. accountable the people who actually did, right? Instead, that commission was used to take away our rights. So you'll excuse me if I'm a little skeptical about a new commission. Yes, for a good purpose, seemingly, but usually these commissions wind up screwing over the average American citizen and the left wing way more than anyone else, even if Democrats are in charge.
Starting point is 01:06:34 Yeah. We're unfortunately at the time. Yes, we are. All right, everybody check out Mike Figuero on the humanist report or his new name Mike from the humanist report on the humanist report okay so thank you for joining us Mike I appreciate it
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